Why Everyone Is Drowning In Debt (and how to get out) - Caleb Hammer

CChris Williamson
대출/신용차량 구매/판매결혼/가정생활초보 재테크아파트/매매

스크립트

00:00:00how do you describe what you do for work depends the viewer if i'm talking to the nice little
00:00:06church lady i'd tell her i'm helping helping young folks and some old folks with their money
00:00:12i'm just talking to just random person on the street i'd say i'm yelling at a bunch of retards
00:00:17who suck with money and roasting them along the way and having a lot of fun doing it i was going
00:00:23to ask why you get death threats but you've kind of precluded that i mean i don't understand like
00:00:29okay if you come on financial audit you would come through a multi-week onboarding process and
00:00:36give me all these things like let's pretend you didn't want to me to make fun of your curly hair
00:00:41for whatever reason you would tell me that you would tell the producers that because we ask you
00:00:45what you don't want in advance yeah yeah so we don't bring it up so and then i get consent to
00:00:50make sensitivity about myself yeah exactly so why get death threats for making fun of things that
00:00:56someone gave me explicit permission to make fun of makes no sense it's the being offended on behalf
00:01:03of someone who's not offended i will never get it i'm not the person i've never been that person i
00:01:07i don't understand it the white knighting yes yeah the moral hero the you're on your moral horse and
00:01:15i don't know you want your tiktok community to raise you up i guess it makes you feel good you get views
00:01:22it's one of the my least favorite categories of people are those that their morality stands on the
00:01:28shoulders of other people that they're saying are worse than them but don't look at how good i am
00:01:33because i don't want that scrutiny on me just look at how bad they are and implicitly that makes me feel
00:01:39like a person that's of higher moral standing it's pretty yeah we had um when we were filming this
00:01:43episode we had a guest on on our episode that uploaded yesterday and i brought in one of my
00:01:50co-workers employees also friends tyler black dude big black dude very intimidating can beat the shit out
00:01:57of anyone and like the guy where you were sitting is a piece of shit racist like an actual racist he was
00:02:04like did you do this on purpose cast him you brought a black person in with somebody that you knew would
00:02:10be racist so the guy was sitting where you said and he said you know i'm one of those people that says
00:02:15things that needed to be said and i was like okay pause brought in the guy that he would actually
00:02:19have a consequence oh right yep yeah and he was like uh yeah n-word so i just said that but you know
00:02:26what he consented to it obviously i wouldn't have my friend go through a situation he didn't like
00:02:31he even reacted to it on his own stream later that day he loved it no just loves being called the n-word
00:02:36gets off on it no black we scoured the internet no black person was like offended anywhere but there's
00:02:43a lot of white women that were super offended on his behalf saying that he should sue the show for
00:02:49having to go through that that's workplace harassment and all this stuff when he's friends
00:02:52we're i'm friends with him we're literally just having fun together making fun of the dude that was
00:02:57a piece of shit in front of us he and i were on the same team having a good time and it was just
00:03:03white ladies upset on the internet kind of blows my mind that people want to step into that environment
00:03:07because it's very intense it's not opposite someone originally it's one-on-one and then it's one-on-two
00:03:12but there's also maybe someone behind the scenes and you know that there's all of these people on the
00:03:16internet that are going to see you do this thing the psychology of someone that's prepared to go on a
00:03:22show like that and go head-to-head with someone on their home turf and be an asshole it it's kind of
00:03:29impressive it is it is it is almost impressive i don't think that i would be very good at if i was
00:03:35an asshole doing that and being on this side it's like if you are an asshole by design you're usually
00:03:40trying to keep it quiet so people don't realize people aren't advertising that assholery up front
00:03:46but that's what makes it fun though is that anyone who's seen our show or anyone who comes on the show
00:03:51has seen the show so they already know i'm an asshole then they watch two onboarding videos when they
00:03:56get sent to them when they have to watch in the green room and i'm like hey i'm an asshole i'm
00:04:00gonna make fun of you i'm gonna yell at you telling me what you don't want to do so honestly besides
00:04:04that piece of shit racist because i actually don't like someone who's actually racist um every other
00:04:09guest that has come on the show practically other than a few here and there i respect the fuck out of
00:04:14because yeah that's crazy showing up to a show that a lot of people are gonna see that you're gonna get
00:04:20goofed on but they also do get resources and the vast majority do change their lives for the better
00:04:24afterwards that is the fun effect of it they get to go through the whole cycle with us and
00:04:28i think it would be crazier for them to sign up if everything no matter their say was on display
00:04:34since they get to say what they don't want to talk about it gives them more control which if there is
00:04:39something that actually would impact their life or their job or their family they can call that out
00:04:44and not have that in the episode so they do have that level of control but they're still very brave
00:04:49and i have a huge amount of respect for them what is the process of getting access to somebody's
00:04:53financials and how do you know that they haven't kept something super secret behind the scenes that
00:04:59they haven't shown you right well it would be difficult for like a checking or savings account
00:05:04but we do get them to send us their credit karma with you know important things bleeped out
00:05:09their credit karma oh credit karma well it basically shows your credit report for the most part i mean
00:05:15it's kind of simulated it's not perfect you're not getting your like requesting your three free
00:05:20credit reports every single year or whatnot but um it's the app that many people use to actually
00:05:26see what's going on and the impact of their new debts they're opening their heart inquiries
00:05:31everything like that but if we get them to send their screenshots that way we can see if there's
00:05:36debts that they don't even know about because oftentimes there are debts that they don't
00:05:39know about collections that they don't know about so we're able to hold their feet to the fire that
00:05:43way do you think it's genuinely harder for young people today or our expectations the problem
00:05:51it's harder to do certain things i mean you're not going to be able to do the single income
00:05:56household thing like that's going to be there's going to be harder things right that's going to be
00:06:00harder buying your first home is going to be harder um you know getting your first car might be harder
00:06:07it depends you know how you do it that one's definitely a hit or miss for sure um that that's
00:06:12going to be harder but being independent in terms of groceries or rent or getting a comfy office job that
00:06:20is relatively decent pain like we've never had it better than ever before now you can take a snapshot in
00:06:25time this year this period in exact time yeah for college graduates it's objectively that's just an
00:06:31economic situation not a general uh generational situation because five years ago college graduates
00:06:36had a great they're entering the best job market in the history of humanity essentially when that
00:06:41pandemic money was just flowing from tech companies anyone could get a job but now it's objectively not
00:06:45but that's a period in time not a generational thing so the cost of practically every category of life
00:06:54spending as a percentage of income has dramatically dropped since the 1950s besides a few things that
00:07:01are very important buying a house healthcare and borrowing for school borrowing for school do you have
00:07:07to do that you know there's different paths we can talk community college we can talk
00:07:10apprenticeships trade schools okay so there's flexibility there house you don't have to buy a house
00:07:15when you know if you're a young person right now you don't have to in the and even if you do that
00:07:19actually might be a worse use of your money than in just investing in the s&p 500 healthcare yeah that
00:07:24one's fucked can't really control that one that's a mess so if something bad happens to you what's
00:07:29happened to the cost of healthcare over time oh just endlessly the premiums and if an emergency happens
00:07:35healthcare is one of those issues that's actually really interesting when it comes up on the show because
00:07:40i get very invested in trying to learn as much as i can about the personal finance categories across
00:07:46the board but for healthcare for some reason i've just missed it because this is one of those things
00:07:50that was never my passion so i never fully dove into the reason the why and how i just make sure you
00:07:58know i have the general necessity the the things that someone would need to make sure they're getting a
00:08:04halfway decent plan through their job and whatnot making sure their premiums aren't completely out
00:08:09of control that they can afford their co-pays that they have their highest deductible taken care of
00:08:14in the case of an emergency but speaking on the cost of healthcare you know this is that's definitely
00:08:19out of all things in the financial world not my expertise and i said i said that on another podcast
00:08:24that hasn't come out yet and now that it's come up in two podcasts in a row in a row i'm just you know
00:08:29i need to educate the fuck out of myself on healthcare because it's very curious because
00:08:33housing you talk about housing all day costs of college and school i could talk about that all
00:08:37day but not healthcare it's one of the big three one of the big three housing healthcare school you know
00:08:42a lot about the first the first and the last but there's a lot more that you can control so i'm
00:08:48interested in the things you can control it's very difficult for people to be able to control their
00:08:53actual healthcare situation whether or not they have a pre-diagnosis or there's only a few plans
00:08:57off getting into an accident exactly but school and housing there's a lot more control and financial
00:09:03audits more about what things you can control it's interesting that you said as a percentage of
00:09:09earnings the cost of living in almost all areas has become more affordable yeah except for three that
00:09:18are massive massive and those three have done so much damage that they've managed to basically net
00:09:26detract from all of the gains that were made and everything else yeah i mean it's pretty brutal but
00:09:31again with the two that i can speak on a little better house you don't have to buy a house so you
00:09:36have more choices there you don't have to buy a house fresh out of college you don't have to go
00:09:41when it comes to the cost of school there's so many different paths that include going to school
00:09:45and that's local four years that's community college that's not going to private institutions
00:09:51or going to your dream school because it has a sports team you're like it also has to do with
00:09:56if cost of college is high you need to make sure you're getting a degree that has an appropriate
00:10:00return on investment so there's lots of choices there so those three categories are pretty brutal
00:10:05but of two of them you still have choice in it gen z borrowers are carrying more credit card
00:10:10debt than millennials did at the same age despite growing up with more financial information
00:10:14than any generation before them yeah 98 of gen z say credit is important but only 53 believe they
00:10:21have adequate access to it and more than half of americans have used buy now pay later services
00:10:2759 of those users were gen z oh yeah that makes sense paying for clarna everything it's a very gen z
00:10:34thing tap to pay super easy to use those they're at every checkout for any concert you go to pretty much
00:10:41anything you want to do um so that's not surprising there is um i'm not i'm forgetting the term off the
00:10:47top of my head but it's something like doom loop or something that a lot of gen z is kind of getting
00:10:53into where mostly because of the information out there and the algorithms they find themselves in
00:10:58they think everything's going to be so bad forever why not just spend the money
00:11:02why not just put it on the credit card so it makes sense it seems to me like uh a big part of it is
00:11:10people being so unsure about the future and feeling like things are not going to get better that well
00:11:15fuck it it's almost like the end of days you know there's this interesting story about during the blitz
00:11:20in world war ii in london uh the amount of casual sex that people were having went through the roof
00:11:25but lingerie sales stayed the same and it was just people thought look i might die tomorrow it doesn't
00:11:31really matter about how sexy i look in bed let's just get down to it and it's kind of the financial
00:11:36equivalent of that i'm just going to dump it all which is this weird sort of uh recursive system it's
00:11:41this self-reinforcing mechanism that if you have negative information about the economy and about the
00:11:47quality of life for young people and about how hard you've got it and the fact that it's never going to
00:11:51get better that encourages people to behave in a way that makes the thing true yeah absolutely kind
00:11:57of wild it's a self it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that kind of gets not made out of nowhere there are
00:12:04real material changes but it's certainly worsened and it's tracked the university of michigan does
00:12:10consumer sentiment survey uh and that i think they've done it since the 1980s and right now is one of the
00:12:16three lowest we've ever had i think it was right when kovic kicked off the great recession and now
00:12:21now is not even near great recession in any other indicator anywhere it's not right when kovic kicked
00:12:26off when everything shut down and no one know what was knew what was going to happen but consumer
00:12:31sentiment is basically at an all-time low what do you think is going on well we are stuck in those
00:12:36algorithms you make money on negativity like even i have a documentary channel more of a passion
00:12:42project not much of a money maker it's cold i like it oh thanks called front page still getting the
00:12:47feel of it but either way i mean the reality is the the topics that are interesting to talk about
00:12:53are the more negative ones super positive content isn't as interesting to talk about for whatever
00:12:58reason i'm not interested in learning about super positive not interested in talking about super
00:13:02positive so does it feel urgent no exactly so that's the information that's getting out there
00:13:07that's the information that catches people's attention keeps them in the algorithm so i'm not surprised at
00:13:12all i mean nightly news other than one fluff piece is usually just negative negative negative even about
00:13:17the heat outside it's like the apocalypse uh it's it's always just negative so it's not surprising
00:13:23that's what drives our attention so it drives the algorithm so consumer sentiment will of course be
00:13:28lower right and that is impacting people's behavior which actually brings that reality it brings that
00:13:33imagination into reality it brings the news feed into your finances pretty interesting yeah even though
00:13:39consumer spending is actually relatively healthy overall like this isn't the best year in our economy
00:13:44but it's also not even close to the worst year things are relatively healthy there's some bad things
00:13:49like i called out there's the new graduates bad job market for new garage graduates and there's a lot of
00:13:56things at play there there are a lot of things at play there there's the nervousness of ai there was
00:14:00the over hiring during the tech boom during covid they've cut back there and if there's if there's no people
00:14:06leaving their jobs voluntarily there's no jobs opening and the people that are leaving their
00:14:10jobs and texts are the one getting laid off and they're not rehiring someone who's getting laid off
00:14:14so those job openings that were there during the pandemic aren't there so there's actual negative
00:14:19things happening right now but it's not the overall economic situation we're still having
00:14:25okay gdp growth post inflation um warn iran done allegedly we'll see is it he signed the uh idea of
00:14:36peace or something yesterday and so did iran the leader of iran that's like a guy with erectile
00:14:40dysfunction saying i've signed the idea of erection today yeah it's not the idea of a penis i want to
00:14:46get you to react to a financial case here can we pull up that tick tock i've had such a bad financial
00:14:50burden the last couple years so after meeting with an attorney and doing lots of research i realized
00:14:54that filing bankruptcy really isn't as bad as it's made out to be and it was truly going to be my
00:14:58best bet i decided to file chapter seven and you know truthfully my consumer debt really is not that
00:15:04bad a lot of people have it a lot worse financially but for me 91 000 was just too much it was uncomfortable
00:15:12and i just wanted to get a fresh start moved to texas directly after high school and i made a lot
00:15:18of very irresponsible decisions financially and really dug myself into a big hole of debt i decided
00:15:23let's go ahead and file bankruptcy let's give myself a clean slate that way i can stop stressing
00:15:27and i can actually do better okay just to give you a little breakdown of the debt that i do have that
00:15:31totals up to the 91 300 i owe about 51 000 on the vehicle that i have we did try selling that trading
00:15:38and all that good stuff but way too much negative equity to come out on top i bought a motorcycle back
00:15:43in 2022 thought that was a great idea um fucking americans tried selling it not able to get what we
00:15:50owe out of it and i do own a camper and i owe about 13 400 on that she's retarded because i can't afford a
00:15:59house um so i am keeping that since i do live in it i have 2200 worth of medical bills that i had no idea
00:16:06were in collections and then i have 12 000 worth of student loans however those do not get forgiven
00:16:12with bankruptcy so i will still continue that payment and then i have about 7 700 worth of credit card debt
00:16:18all coming into a grand total of 91 300 first of all okay yes it is harder to get into a home now yes a
00:16:25large sum payment is difficult to get to uh interest is not great on our house how in the world does she
00:16:30think she's possibly possibly going sorry i don't mean to scream you're not a guest on my show why does
00:16:37she think in in what world does she think she is ever going to get to home ownership if she's getting
00:16:43camper motorcycle in a 50 000 car 50 000 car when she's moving to a brand new state this is this is so
00:16:50american we are so debt brain broken and she's actually right i mean bankruptcy is actually not
00:16:55that hard not that brutal a little expensive but it's really not the worst it fucks your credit for
00:17:01a bit and it's not a good learning lesson people usually end up in the same situation they are
00:17:05without changing their behavior before going through bankruptcy so but she is right on that but how did
00:17:10she ever expect she can't get sympathy of not buying a house if she's getting a camper motorcycle and car
00:17:16of which minimum payments on the camper uh on the motorcycle and car are likely over a thousand
00:17:21dollars together like a thousand dollars going against anyone's income unless you're like in the
00:17:25top one percent is going to aggressively prevent you from saving anything remember she can get an fha
00:17:31loan on her first house she can get what is that as low as 1.5 something like that down on your first house
00:17:36um how would she how is she surprised you can't get anywhere and that also is really stupid getting
00:17:44a trailer instead of renting an apartment because she's she's getting debt on a depreciating asset
00:17:50it's almost even worse because an expense could pop up have to get new tires she has to pay rent
00:17:56anyway likely to park somewhere and get the utilities plugged in no she's america summed up
00:18:03what are the hidden costs of bankruptcy that no one wants to talk about
00:18:07uh i mean usually it costs it costs a couple thousand bucks to go through it go through the
00:18:11process and get a lawyer on your side um some court filings um there is the credit impact there
00:18:17is a credit impact seven to ten years depending and with that that could really make it more
00:18:23expensive to get into an apartment because that's usually instead of just a security deposit you might
00:18:28have to do first month last month that includes that includes rent not just buying yeah yeah just
00:18:33rent right instead of just doing a security deposit like someone with a decent credit score you might
00:18:37have to do first month last month as well which makes it very burdensome to get into an apartment
00:18:41but you're in a risk you're a riskier person you have bankruptcy and a lot of people have apartment
00:18:45collections so it's not surprising they would request that um you would have to get into a predatory
00:18:51car loan if your car breaks down you don't have money you have to get a 25 interest rate car
00:18:57just on a horrible like eight year term and it's probably some piece of car that you buy for 20 is
00:19:04worth 15 before it's even driven off uh then the credit cards you get you're not getting the the good
00:19:10intro zero percent cards you're like you're getting credit one cards at 29 with monthly fees even if you pay
00:19:19on time so you just get access to the worst services in the world of dads you're not getting approved for
00:19:24decent personal loans and again like i said the most important thing bankruptcy doesn't actually fix
00:19:29anything unless you fix your behavior because just like consolidating your debt or transferring to
00:19:34another credit card or um even letting things go to collections and negotiating them just like
00:19:40just like all those bankruptcy if you do not change the your behavior that got you into that situation in
00:19:47in the first place you will literally end up right back there again in a few years we've had a we've
00:19:51had quite a few upper aged people on our show that have been through bankruptcy multiple times and now
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00:21:04what's the biggest misconception people have about why humans end up in debt um well a lot of it it's
00:21:13not necessarily a misconception but it's the wrong way to look at it is because of an emergency
00:21:18like yeah if you have zero dollars something happens you would have to probably go into debt for that
00:21:23but people don't look at what happened before then they were living their life spending whatever they
00:21:28wanted on fun they never saved up even a one-month emergency fund or a highest deductible coverage
00:21:34they didn't save up anything so of course when an emergency happens you're going to go into debt
00:21:39but it wasn't the emergency that did that it was you living your life not saving up even a three-month
00:21:45emergency fund which i would recommend six by the way but it's not saving that got you into that
00:21:51emergency debt not the emergency itself it was your behavior before that emergency
00:21:55yeah it i don't know it seems to me like a lot of financial success it has a knowledge component of
00:22:02understanding the physics of the system but a huge part of it is emotional regulation
00:22:08what's the relative amount of knowledge versus emotional regulation when it comes to
00:22:13being good with money depends where someone comes from i mean so i'm in a place of privilege
00:22:17now you could say i have information and yet i look like this i know what it takes to lose this this is
00:22:24now this is this is i have the knowledge this is all behavior at this point i got the tits i got the
00:22:29tits because i'm choosing that some people pay for them some people do i would pay to go it's free
00:22:34yes i'd pay to lose them but instead i'm just not doing the work that would be required to lose it
00:22:39i have the knowledge don't have the behavior yes so there are people in those financial situations
00:22:44there are going to be the people that come from a very different life incredibly low income
00:22:50no opportunity in their neighborhoods no people to look up to maybe even bad internet so they don't
00:22:56even get to watch the same podcast as us don't have a good library to go read a good personal finance
00:23:02book um and i don't want to just victimize someone or infantilize someone but there are harder
00:23:07situations to come from it doesn't mean they can't get out of it it just might be a little more
00:23:11difficult and you need to surround yourself with the right people do you find it difficult when
00:23:15somebody comes in front of you and a lot of the time it is because of decisions that someone has
00:23:19made and this illustrious uh like tailwinds that you've had of all of these people that have made
00:23:27bad decisions and then somebody comes in front of you who has come from a situation which has put them
00:23:33so far on the back foot financially do you sometimes find it hard to change gears with them as opposed to
00:23:38sort of pointing the finger too much to actually be like oh i i see you i see you in this problem that
00:23:42you're going through and that you've been you've been put into yeah i mean we really only allow people
00:23:47on the show where it's their fault because it's a personal behavior show so anyone that complains
00:23:51about the people on our show saying that well they can't control that no everyone that comes on our show
00:23:55they can control if someone applies and it's something out of their control something like an incredible
00:24:00medical diagnosis that's where we send them like a page of resources and like if we can connect you with
00:24:04anyone let us know but it doesn't make sense for financial audit because financial audit is about
00:24:08personal change so we just we just don't have those people because that's not the conversation yeah
00:24:14what's going back to personality traits what do you think of the personality traits that predict
00:24:18financial success that predict financial success certainly being disciplined i mean discipline
00:24:23comes down to everything um everything in the world of budgeting comes from or money comes from budgeting
00:24:31and budgeting is all about discipline so you know that's why we created dollar wise that personal
00:24:36finance app that budgeting app that is made for the every man not just like the you know super
00:24:42financial nerds who want to use things like ynav things like that that are incredibly difficult to use
00:24:48they have the discipline to actually log into that app connect their accounts to their banks see where
00:24:53things are going and take the actions on the advice that's given to them based on their actual
00:25:00financial information that's plugged in without the discipline even a tool like dollar wise that is
00:25:06incredibly useful to changing people's lives you got nothing it's like you could be tracking all of
00:25:10your calories using macro factor or something but if you're not going to change what you're eating it
00:25:13doesn't make a difference yeah it's discipline if you know people people are excited when they leave
00:25:18financial audit or they watch financial audit and even me like a diet even me like a diet if you did a
00:25:23fitness audit on me i might be excited for a couple weeks then you know if you don't have the
00:25:27discipline sometimes you fall back it's easy to have a fire under your ass for a couple weeks
00:25:31if you don't have that discipline for the long term it's difficult it really is what does debt do to
00:25:37someone's identity well unfortunately it turns a lot of people into victims that they're really not
00:25:44a lot of people have more control than they're really willing to admit what does it do to their
00:25:49identity that's interesting some people use debt to improve their identity more than anything you know
00:25:56pulling up you really care what the person next to you at the stoplight thinks about your car
00:26:01i don't know why people care about that i've never cared about that um a lot of people use
00:26:07debt to get the clothes that make them look good the jewelry that makes them look good unfortunately
00:26:11actually that quality tends to come from lower income communities anyway it's kind of crazy how that works but
00:26:17um people use that to change their identity but then people also use their identity of debt to put
00:26:24themselves in a place of victimhood and like oh i'm in debt i can't i can't do anything i may as well
00:26:29just spend the money i already have the credit card debt let me just put it on a credit card again
00:26:34what's an extra ten dollars gonna do to five thousand dollars and the answer is not much but it's
00:26:38a death of a thousand cuts they just think that over and over again yeah it's a very strange sort of
00:26:44death debt spiral where the sunk cost fallacy if this is already bad what does it matter if it's a bit
00:26:49worse yeah and also if you're stressed with finances you probably want something that makes you feel a bit
00:26:56less shitty that could be food i'm gonna sedate myself from my financial troubles by further ingraining
00:27:03myself into my financial troubles which also becomes a spiral of itself yeah that was totally me in
00:27:08college you know when i had a lot of bad debt uh car debt student loans private student loans multiple
00:27:13credit cards and family debt i absolutely went to mcdonald's swiped the chase freedom card getting
00:27:20it close to maxing out constantly and because it felt good what did it matter is basically maxed out
00:27:26anyway what's an actual maxed out credit card gonna do do you think lifestyle inflation's become a bigger
00:27:31problem than inflation itself oh bigger problem i wouldn't say oh it's a good question you're a
00:27:37professional podcast host that's nice damn um i would say inflation is worse overall i'd say worse
00:27:47overall because that impacts everyone that's not your choice right such a choice but i'd say on a
00:27:52on a personal level yeah no that's bad that's bad that's gonna that's gonna you over when someone
00:27:59gets the 20 no no one gets a 20 raise okay when someone gets a five percent raise but increases
00:28:04their spending six percent you know that that is very common on our show you know what's interesting
00:28:09people on financial audit that are doing worse are the highest income earning episodes people often
00:28:15um you know you open the show with uh getting death threats and stuff and death threats and it's kind
00:28:21of minimal but we do get lots of complaints and stuff about the show one of our biggest complaints is
00:28:25you know i'm yelling and making fun of poor people those are actually the people i usually
00:28:29make fun of and yell at the least it is the high income earners that if they just fix a couple
00:28:33things they can get out of debt pretty quickly but they also get into worse debt because they have
00:28:37a higher income so they get approved for more debt they're always the worst off they lifestyle
00:28:43inflate i swear the closer they get from 100 to 200 to even a half a million dollars a year
00:28:48the worst debt the more credit cards the more time shares the more cars the more they have it's it's
00:28:56impressive it's so bad it feels i think probably incredible to a lot of people that you could earn
00:29:03half a million a year and have a bad financial situation which i wouldn't be surprised if the
00:29:09majority in the united states didn't who make that much why you have a half million go get yourself the
00:29:16nice house go get yourself the nice car the nice clothes why not you worked hard deserve it it's in
00:29:22our culture we want we're consumers do you think that uh the things that richer people waste money
00:29:30on different to the things that poorer people waste money on absolutely i'm trying to get over my fear
00:29:36of flights and i guess i'm rich now so that's nice knock on wood with all that help you get over your fear of flights
00:29:42i rented a pj tell me so that's a waste of money easier or easier or harder so it's a control thing
00:29:49for me i don't like being stuck in a situation that i can't control do you know how to fly the pj
00:29:54no but i can say let's land i can't do that with a commercial uh well you can you could make a big
00:29:59enough fuss that you would like but it would be a real headache and bad for my career too so that would be
00:30:04a real headache yeah but like um so what was your first pause yeah what was the first time with your
00:30:14travel anxiety getting on a pj like um it was for oh the pj itself it was actually really bad when we
00:30:21filmed it too we filmed that it's on the internet i burst down in tears it's really bad i'm sorry man oh
00:30:28it was it was anxiety like it's not i don't think that you should dismiss it like that so
00:30:34but it's not like something bad happened to me right like anxieties make belief it's like it's not
00:30:38real my brain thinks it's real but it's not so i was crying i was sad but you know what was actually
00:30:44making me more sad and crying a lot of people thought it was out of pure terror it was remembering
00:30:48a lot of the things that i haven't done a lot of the family i haven't visited because of my fear of
00:30:53travel grief as much grief as it was anxiety yeah so interesting point here there's a guy called vinnie
00:30:58shawman who's a hypnotist in the uk i have a friend my friend's name is sky king sky king right this guy
00:31:06lived in hawaii while he was a kid flies all around the world loves asia been to japan a bunch of times
00:31:13out of nowhere just developed travel anxiety bad travel anxiety tried to get on a plane couldn't
00:31:19bailed out tried to get on a plane couldn't bail i think this happened maybe six eight maybe ten times
00:31:24and i put him in touch with vinnie now some people have better results with hypnotism some people have
00:31:29worse in a single session vinnie fixes travel anxiety and i don't know what the full story is
00:31:39but i know that the simpsons theme tune is an integral part of the anchoring for how he gets over
00:31:44his travel anxiety interesting and uh that was real interesting that was like it's a cool gift to give
00:31:53somebody to unlock that but i i know what you mean there is nothing wrong rationally in terms of the
00:32:01utilitarian approach view of the universe there is nothing happening but your felt experience of yeah
00:32:07i'm getting on this jet that i've paid money for that's kind of a momentous occasion for me it's this
00:32:13landmark as a person who talks about money doing something that's kind of canonical in everybody
00:32:17that has money's life and my experience of that has been tarnished by the fact that i've got this
00:32:22thing that isn't me that i don't want in me and is kind of behind the steering wheel a little bit i
00:32:27think that's i think that makes sense but it was nice because i was working with a panic therapist at
00:32:32the time and just started working with him again thank goodness because i need to get over this thing
00:32:35uh and he didn't let me get off like was he with you of course i yes so i brought him
00:32:41you brought your panic therapist on the jet it was our plan you know we kind of oh it wasn't
00:32:46like an intervention or something well actually technically i heard him the day before so we
00:32:50already decided but yeah um so we brought him with us he's really cool and i'm working with him now
00:32:54again and we have we have a game plan uh to get over it but um yeah it was scary it was it was really
00:33:00simple it was austin or san antonio so it was nothing i just i wanted to get on a plane again because
00:33:05i was just preventing myself from getting on a plane so that's a very quick flight how long had it been
00:33:08since you were on the plane the decade at least yeah so mostly road trips places but even that
00:33:14still gives me kind of anxiety um which is just i hate it um um but you know we have a game plan
00:33:21we're doing some things i want to go be on some more shows i mean dude if some people's exposure
00:33:28therapy is we just need to get a spider and put it in the corner of the room your exposure therapy
00:33:34requires a private jet exactly it's a slightly higher bar it's just as well that you're rich
00:33:40because if you won you'd be with this thing exactly exactly what really sucks is the same exact model
00:33:46private jet i was in just crashed in laredo texas yesterday and a ceo in austin texas died on it so
00:33:53that's like kind of with me that plus all of a tree there aren't many forms of air transport that are
00:34:02feeling pretty safe right yeah the next one's a commercial we're doing a commercial next we're
00:34:05doing some long road trips to kind of i would book if i was you i would try and get maybe your row
00:34:10and then one behind one in front i was thinking that just in case there's a
00:34:16you know one of those i just didn't want to be around people but yeah that's also nice that's
00:34:19also nice uh so you've got some anxious panicky tendencies yeah really just that one thing but
00:34:27you built you built a show which is essentially high stakes live confrontation right with strangers
00:34:32about their most shameful secrets yeah you're someone who has panic attacks you run a show that
00:34:37gives other people panic attacks yep is that a coincidence or is this just like the most elaborate
00:34:42exposure therapy ever it's great i mean that's what people have to go through they have to go
00:34:47through it what's actually nice is because of mine and i'm uh you know working with my guy for a while
00:34:53now like i can actually work through them pretty well and now if someone actually does have a legitimate
00:34:58panic attack on the show i can help them through which is pretty nice oh so we just pause the cameras
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00:36:16somebody is sitting opposite you you're pushing you're pushing you're pushing
00:36:20they're realizing how but you actually just explain to me what you think is happening inside of them
00:36:27inside of their mind somebody's got a lot of debt maybe they've been hiding from it like what's their
00:36:32emotion before what do they get to and then i'm interested in what you do to bring them back into
00:36:37land as well usually i can tell they kind of just go flat-faced in that moment like they they disengage
00:36:43their eyes is kind of go blank and maybe even like a little bluish um and i'm like oh okay so we just
00:36:48literally pause i'm like hey okay you know i go from the crazy voice to like just down to like hey you
00:36:54okay remember you know it's like of course they know it's like real and everything but i'm like yeah we can
00:37:00take a pause you know you can take a break and then i help them if they're like actually having
00:37:03anxiety attack i'll do like a breathing exercise real quick it's like three and six out and um that's
00:37:09pretty rare these days but uh and we definitely have people that need to do like a lap around the
00:37:13building or producer will take them or they need to go outside and hit a place that red yeah hit a
00:37:18vape that's good that's why jared i need a fucking e-pipe for the people that are listening i require i want to
00:37:26be able to come up with i want to be able to pontificate uh but i want to be able to do it
00:37:31with nicotine so if anyone can find me a pipe that looks legitimate like this but i can have some
00:37:35nicotine and that would be the other um i wonder whether part of the reason that you're not inducing
00:37:41as many panic attacks is because you're getting soft in your old age you think so yeah i wonder
00:37:46whether it's because you've taken your foot off the gas i just threw something at someone the other day
00:37:54you'd be here there's so many projectiles there's so many potential projectors some of them are heavy
00:37:58as well no honestly i am proud of it i think our our onboarding process is so thorough we've had
00:38:03people that have uh come to work with us or people that interviewed with us that have worked for like
00:38:07dr phil and a lot of other type shows dr phil's close in dallas so that's why
00:38:12him specifically but they go through our process and they're like this is crazy i've never seen an
00:38:17onboarding process process like this at all because usually for like i'm not speaking dr phil at all
00:38:21don't sue me but many shows like that daytime tv they don't give a fuck about their guests
00:38:28but we actually really care because one they're members of our audience so a little selfish there
00:38:32okay a little selfish i want members if you kill them you're going to reduce the audience size yes
00:38:36exactly and i want them to do well whether that's you know you could look at it from two perspectives
00:38:41pretend like you hate me and i'm the selfish most piece of ever fine take that obviously i want
00:38:45them to do well because it proves it in spite of me or do it because of me it shows that it works
00:38:49it shows that the show works so i don't care about how what the mechanism is it can be because you don't
00:38:54like me i'm an asshole you want to prove me wrong saying that i don't think that you're gonna be able
00:38:57to turn it around or because you love me and you think that my advice is worth listening to and you
00:39:03turn it around yeah and or there's the second option words and that's the real option that i actually
00:39:09really do care about how they succeed so i really want them to do well and the average guest pays off
00:39:14it's just over like twenty thousand dollars and twelve months of debt after coming on financial
00:39:19audit that's our most recent annual report we do one every december how much of that impact that you
00:39:25have on people's debt do you think is because of the knowledge that you give to them and how much
00:39:29do you think is because of the intensity of the emotional discomfort that you put them through
00:39:33yeah it's a mixture of both there is the that tough love crazy and fun approach of it like i think
00:39:41oftentimes 90 of the time they're having a good time too like they know the craziness of the show
00:39:46so but they have fun and uh that's not for everyone but i'll don't come on the show if it's not for you
00:39:51so it's like a show i would actually personally go on when i was in debt it would have worked for me
00:39:55someone's screaming at me that works for me it worked for me when i played sports you know it's
00:39:59whatever it works for me um and then we set them up with lots of tools afterwards they get dollar wise
00:40:05for free forever no matter what they get all of our personal finance courses they get a certification
00:40:12through course careers to help with their jobs they get access any kind of resource that we're working
00:40:16with third party they get access to so we try to give them everything and then we check in with them
00:40:21i don't remember the exact dates but it's like the day their episode goes live a week after that
00:40:25a month after that and then three months after that and we do two updates a week with former guests
00:40:30on our in our hammer elite membership um and we're endlessly checking in with them with surveys and
00:40:36we tell them to reach out anytime they want so there's the mixture of the show and that lights
00:40:41a fire under their ass and the post filming support is post-coital care process yeah uh i did love island
00:40:4911 years ago and uh famously the uk series i don't know whether it's happened in america yet but the uk
00:40:57series of love island has killed more people than any other tv show like two past stars took their own
00:41:03lives one of whom was a really good friend of mine that's crazy then the host took her own life
00:41:10caroline going on caroline flack yeah i just i'd once uh that's strange twice you're like three times
00:41:19including the host you're like there's a pattern here uh but one of the issues and this was something
00:41:23that i saw especially i think love island broke the app store when it came out it was the number one
00:41:27app in the world above chat gpt above claude uh and like there was shutdowns on servers and
00:41:33shit like 300 000 concurrent downloads at a moment like downloading the app to watch the i don't know
00:41:38what i don't know what you do voting on it or something maybe and um the post-show care routine
00:41:44things i did the first i was the first person through the doors of the first ever episode wow right
00:41:49of the first season so they were we were the the guinea pig we were the first child where you make
00:41:57all of the mistakes you drink when you're pregnant you smoke in like you forget to feed it for 12
00:42:01hours like all of that stuff and um once you finish up you should have a support system as you get
00:42:08thrust back out into the world now the first season that i did was like way smaller it was 10 times
00:42:13smaller than season two which was 10 times smaller than season three which it really sort of took off
00:42:18on that exponential but had it have been even a bit more exposed there was the least amount of post-show
00:42:25support uh even though it was that much smaller the post-show support was basically non-existent and
00:42:31then each time that one of those incidents occurred you could tell that uh itv which is the the company
00:42:37in the uk that was but it's channel three in the uk right they have channel three and channel seven
00:42:42and um every single time that one of these horrible horrible situations happened everybody got an email
00:42:49just reminding you that you have access to the safety and care team whenever i'm like dude
00:42:54fucking too late man you know like something about the horse bolting and the door being closed but
00:43:00we also probably didn't get the opportunity when walking out of the island to be like hey if i do
00:43:05this make sure it's not in the episode so it's like you you were like no matter what exactly you do not
00:43:11control the edit and the entire universe is watching you and commenting on you and then what's mad is you
00:43:16come out because it's recorded and published live but you only enter back into the world once it's happened
00:43:24you have no idea what's made the edit you have no idea what people think of you you could come out
00:43:27and be the hero or the most hated person yes in your country it's crazy yeah should i get into that
00:43:35everyone's doing that everyone's doing these pouches uh like would i be like so locked in
00:43:41dude no that's scary i'm asking for advice first before i go full those are mine so those ones are
00:43:47that's just caffeine that's just 50 50 milligrams of caffeine these these are very healthy for you
00:43:54better for you nicotine those are knick-knacks so that's like everyone in the world is doing pouches
00:43:59right now like how locked in would i be i have a bit of an oral fixation which i'm sure that the uh
00:44:05people that think i'm gay on the internet are going to love to hear me say um have we got any
00:44:09toothpicks jb can you get if you're outside jonathan can you bring some toothpicks in from the
00:44:14cupboard please i want to show those just something to dick about with while you're working i think is
00:44:19very important okay you've got a pen or whatever sometimes you try i could get the pipe yeah bite
00:44:23my fingernails that's my thing that'll do you um what what income level do people's financial problems
00:44:31fundamentally change where is it it's behavior it's fully behavior again like i said um the worst
00:44:37situations i've seen in the entire show are high income earners absolutely horrible so i i'd say
00:44:44never it gives you more opportunity to get out of a bad situation but i wouldn't say the income levels
00:44:50everyone thinks when they make the next ten thousand dollars in their income their entire life's going
00:44:55to change their spending changes but if their behavior is the same if their inclinations are the
00:45:00same their lack of discipline is the same they're actually just going to be in a worse situation so
00:45:04i would actually argue that if behavior doesn't change at the more income level your situation might
00:45:10actually get worse because you now are playing with bigger chips on the table yeah and if you're
00:45:15fucking it up you've got more access i didn't never thought about that such a good point that you've
00:45:19got more access to credit people think uh banks credit cards think that you are a safer bet
00:45:26because of that you can yourself harder yeah and i guess i'll put an asterisk on my statement there is
00:45:31like you gotta hit a base basic minimum level right like if you can't pay for like the cheapest rent
00:45:36in the area put food on the table utilities then obviously anyone that's not making up to that point
00:45:42yeah that's a threshold where it's like game changer because you're just like surviving but if you can't
00:45:47even hit the survival like that's not even in the conversation but typically we don't really allow for that
00:45:52that much in this country in western society and you'll see it but you know we have lots of uh
00:45:59child support services for low income uh food support um housing support it's not perfect no one's gonna
00:46:06argue it's perfect but we do have a lot of a lot of social programs to help those people that are in
00:46:10those lower uh friend of the show ice coffee our boys had kevin o'leary on yeah he gave some
00:46:17insight about where he thinks different levels of income impact your lifestyle i'll pull that up for
00:46:23me jared look at this what would you say are the main four tiers of wealth where if you hit a certain
00:46:30amount life will i tell everybody this you should strive very hard if you're an entrepreneur to have
00:46:36five million dollars in t-bills not in anything else just t-bills making 3.82 percent this morning
00:46:45you know you've made it and you've safeguarded your family for the rest of your life if you can get
00:46:48five million dollars liquid in t-bills most people that consider themselves very successful
00:46:55entrepreneurs do not have five million dollars liquid in t-bills they don't but what net worth should you
00:47:01be at to to justify five million in t-bills well you should be the first thing you should do is get to
00:47:06five million liquid be worth five million dollars liquid that's far more valuable than anything else
00:47:13liquidity with wealth is actually a superpower most people say i'm very wealthy but they couldn't raise
00:47:19a million dollars by two o'clock in the afternoon if they tried it's tied up in all kinds of things they
00:47:23think are worth a lot until the hits the fan the plan is if you're an entrepreneur the hardest thing is
00:47:29to make the first million really hard and when you make the first million put it in t-bills just as
00:47:35hard but not as hard is to get to two million two to three is actually quite easy because you figured
00:47:42something out but where you get undisciplined is you start buying you don't need
00:47:48because your man is get to five million liquid i you have to have five million liquid to call yourself a
00:47:54successful entrepreneur and i don't care who who disagrees with me they're wrong i guess i'll be
00:47:59wrong i mean no i i agree one of one of the first goals i had was to get to five million as quick as i
00:48:05could and and but invested in the stock market i don't really understand get your first million put it in
00:48:11low indexing uh t-bills t-bill like treasury right so i'm not really understanding like putting it in bonds or
00:48:20something it just makes sense if if you make your first million in your young let it grow in the
00:48:24marketplace at an average of eight to ten percent that makes more sense i mean i guess if you're
00:48:28approaching like 60 and you make your first million off of a business being successful yeah put it in
00:48:32something more conservative but if you have time on your side unless america collapses like the
00:48:37stock market's going to do over a long enough time horizon you'll weather any of the little wobbles
00:48:41yeah exactly so um but i do agree with that five million mark because that five million mark if
00:48:46you do the four percent rules four percent of five million i think what is that sixty thousand dollars
00:48:50a year something like that so you live a good middle class income off of that using the four percent
00:48:55rule so that works so that was one of my first big goals it's i don't like the idea of taking the
00:49:03first million you make and then literally just not letting it grow past inflation that doesn't make any
00:49:07sense if if you're getting your first million you should let it work have it work for you in the
00:49:12stock market i'm not saying reinvest it immediately into the business and certainly he's correct where
00:49:16people start getting money and they start blowing it he's a hundred percent correct on that this is
00:49:21weird to take the first million put it into something low index especially if you're young
00:49:25is there a financial milestone that creates the most happiness for people um yeah a lot of the
00:49:31happiness that can be achieved through wealth like you can't buy friends you can't buy family
00:49:35so a lot of the happiness that can actually be achieved through wealth i'd say if you can cover
00:49:43if you can weather practically any emergency including like a cancer diagnosis something really
00:49:48bad if you can how much money is that uh i mean honestly i think that five million is a good marker
00:49:56that five million is a good marker you can really start pulling into it for you know a few years if it's
00:50:00like really aggressive really bad you want to go to the best in the world um so with that you know
00:50:06you can weather anything and you can even if you blow through the five hopefully you make it to the
00:50:10other side and you can start bouncing back but that gives you unlimited flexibility you don't get to
00:50:14do the crazy things that are super fun you don't get to do the you can't buy a pj i can't buy a pj and i
00:50:21can rent a short little trip but um i don't think that's what drives happiness it's a fun thing moment
00:50:26of happiness but i think the true happiness that you actually can buy is security and five million
00:50:32is a really good number to get it sounds like a massive number for people to feel financially secure
00:50:37yeah but you know you can weather literally practically anything that's the question like
00:50:42you can weather almost everything uh with a few hundred thousand hours set aside you can you know
00:50:47take a while to find a new job if you have a few hundred thousand but i'm saying if i'm really
00:50:51thinking like you can weather anything five million is a great number to have yeah i i totally didn't
00:50:58think about the fact that you can afford to invest in specifically the s p there's any kind of tracker
00:51:06if you're younger because there's going to be some movements there's going to be periods of
00:51:10downturn but over a long enough time horizon and i mean if the s p goes to zero there's much bigger
00:51:15problems than what you're doing with your money yeah we'll be killing each other yeah yeah yeah
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00:52:10drink lmnt.com slash modern wisdom how much shame surrounds debt and do you think that shame hurts
00:52:19people or helps people change i think it's pretty damaging that in our culture talking about money is
00:52:25shameful in general uh and in debt i mean i think it's good to have a good laugh on a tick tock short
00:52:30things like that that's fine but i think if we have a whole system where people feel shameful to even
00:52:37bring up their close friends their family or even their therapist that they're in a bad financial
00:52:40situation they're not going to get that emotional support they're not going to get that encouragement
00:52:45that they actually need to change because they'll just be weathering it themselves that's a very
00:52:49difficult thing you don't want to again going back to even just the cancer thing you don't want
00:52:53to be going through that yourself it's almost impossible you need support anything you go
00:52:57through any kind of support system is good and if we have a massive level of shame around it which
00:53:01i would say in our country in our society we definitely have people aren't even willing to
00:53:07say what they make yep you know they're like embarrassed or they're afraid of making it too
00:53:11much and people look down on them for like you'll be jealous you know so there's a lot of shame
00:53:16around personal finances in our society and i think that's pretty damaging it's interesting as a
00:53:21british person we have shame but in the opposite direction we have shame about talking about how much we make
00:53:26if we make if we make a good wage everyone's poor there because there is such a strong tall poppy
00:53:32syndrome that if you're seen to be too big for your boots or doing too well that can often cause
00:53:39way more ire it's like an interesting i understand why people would feel personal shame around talking
00:53:45about being in a bad position financially what does this say about me as a human what does this say
00:53:49about my habits maybe people are going to think less of me but there is a like a pro social
00:53:56fuck that person's down bad hey man like i really want to help you as opposed to dude i just got this
00:54:02new job and i got a i got a 30 pay increase i can't believe that i've been working so hard for this for
00:54:07a long time if that's not someone that's got your best interests at heart that triggers in them not
00:54:12not pity which is not an emotion that people want to feel but it induces envy which is way more active
00:54:21you know that's the sort of thing that can get you ostracized from a friend group and again this isn't
00:54:25everybody i've got amazing friends in the uk but i met a million people running nightclubs i was a
00:54:31had one of the biggest events companies in the uk for a long time a million people right in person with a
00:54:37tight pair of jeans on holding a clipboard giving out wristbands and free champagne
00:54:41i had a handful of close friends that i could talk to openly about everything that was going
00:54:46on successes failures all the rest of it that's good that's not a great friend exposure to conversion
00:54:53funnel right a million people handful of friends oh yeah and that's why at least we had them though
00:55:01you know that's no a lot of people don't that's true yeah and as an only child that was like
00:55:06fuck like i've got some people that have got me and that's cool uh just i the uk is a very
00:55:12inhospitable environment for people that are trying to uh do things financially i've got this line i
00:55:19wonder whether you agree with it uh the uk is a great country to be poor in and a terrible country
00:55:25to be rich in and america is a terrible country to be poor in and a great country to be rich in
00:55:30yeah i mean a lot of poor people move to and stay in the uk a lot of wealthy people leave i'd say the
00:55:35analytics just follow that in general bingo nailed it dude forget the pithy maxims i just dialed the
00:55:41entire financial industry um i there's there's a safety net in the uk which moving to america to
00:55:48me feels like quite brutal uh quite like why leave the council of state it's comfy it is national health
00:55:59service i've got this stat britain spends more on working age welfare every year than it collects in
00:56:08income tax yeah working age welfare and the difference gets borrowed every single year yeah that's insane
00:56:15and all the productive people that would actually contribute to the tax base are leaving the the
00:56:19wealth drain the brain drain in the united kingdom is i feel bad for your country that's honestly it's
00:56:25a place where i mean the majority of my life i wouldn't have considered moving there but there's
00:56:29a part where i was like oh this would be the best place to go living because you get the cool walkability
00:56:34of europe and like the nice you know okay winter and nice language and it's your language exactly so i
00:56:41wanted to kind of go there for a bit it's gone i don't i if the uk comes back it'll be the biggest
00:56:47comeback story in the history of civilization but yeah we're like nine zero down at the moment yeah
00:56:54game of football uh there are you know i mean there is the conversation where it's like yeah gdp per
00:56:58capita there'd be 51st state did you see that yep yeah i got a lot of for putting that well i mean that's
00:57:05true but there also i got a lot of from americans well americans are retarded i don't know americans
00:57:11are rich and retarded but there are some other true things the uk when it comes to safety and a lot
00:57:16of things you know it ranks higher so there's not just like it's not all right yeah it's not all
00:57:22shit but like no it is true i mean unfortunately it's going the same direction as spain or southern
00:57:28italy one of those places where it's people go there or are born there get educated there and then
00:57:35leave to somewhere where they can make double the income and why wouldn't they we're such a mobile
00:57:39world dude if you're inhospitable and this is the thing that i understand some of my lefty leaning
00:57:46friends jimmy the giant is one of them and he thinks that taxing the rich he means like the ultra rich he
00:57:55means like 100 millions plus of liquid or whatever of held asset wealth um but that that is something
00:58:02that's justified that's something that would help to raise up the the underclass and and people that
00:58:08are unemployed and need that but i think the bottom 55 percent of the population in both the uk and the
00:58:16us are net withdrawers from benefits as opposed to net contributors yeah like just that statistic
00:58:23income tax in the united states the bottom 50 percent of earners contribute one percent
00:58:2850 contribute one percent like that's crazy we're a very uh progressive income tax society in the united
00:58:35states united states is actually the most progressive western major country for income tax what we don't
00:58:40have is vat tax which usually funds like the national health service and whatnot so and americans americans
00:58:45that's the fun thing about americans including um especially populist americans either left or right
00:58:52we want the scandinavian social programs but we want to do it on like a florida tax system americans are
00:58:59not willing to pay the actual taxes required for the systems and it's never about the wealthy people
00:59:03paying a lot of taxes because that doesn't fund at all um it's it's all about the the flat tax the vat
00:59:09tax the national sales tax where everyone has to pay an extra one two three four five percent or
00:59:14whatever it is on everything they purchase that's what funds those social programs in the united states
00:59:19would never tolerate it at a national level have you ever seen what a set of accounts for a normal
00:59:23limited company that has to that's within the vat threshold so i think it's 120 000 a year 120 that
00:59:29fuck that was very unanglicized 120 000 pounds a year or above that your limited company makes and
00:59:35after that point you're that right you're registered for that have you ever seen one of the accounts
00:59:41submissions dude it is a as somebody that had a limited company for a decade and a half in the uk i
00:59:47still do my rental properties go through that although they don't breach the threshold so it doesn't matter
00:59:52it is a nightmare each individual transaction you charge the person who is getting the service from
01:00:00you an additional 20 percent that's what that is 20 and then you claim back that vat up to an amount
01:00:08from the government so it's this ouroboros this endless financially uh bureaucratically in terms of
01:00:17paperwork it's this huge overhead and i understand what that is for i understand that we have lots of
01:00:23services that you don't have in america they need to be funded somehow national insurance that's another
01:00:28type of of uh tax that's not seen in america but if you do the math after everything that you get free
01:00:35in the united kingdom if you after people pay for it and the median income here after the median taxes
01:00:41here after the median paying for the private services here we still end up with more money in our pocket
01:00:46in the end no way yeah it's it's pretty close but it's still even with the health care is one of the
01:00:52biggest costs even though uh health care is the single most common reason that people go bankrupt in
01:00:58america as well i think yeah which isn't surprising and honestly people make it sound more consequential
01:01:03than it is so as we talked about earlier bankruptcy is actually not that even big of a deal really it's
01:01:07really not it's it's overblown i mean it's not great i don't just like go get bankrupt like that's not
01:01:11wonderful but it's like people make it sound like the scariest thing in the world when it's really not
01:01:15but um i mean uh i looked into that two years ago maybe the numbers have changed today but two years
01:01:21ago that's what it looked like and we still have like out of a major nation yes you're gonna have
01:01:24microstates where it's like what's switzerland you know much smaller obviously their gdp per cap and
01:01:30everything is going to be a lot higher in those kind of places or like monaco something like that
01:01:35but as far as like a major nation large nation the united states like destroys when it comes to
01:01:40disposable income the income you have after all the important stuff after you get taxed and everything
01:01:44we just lead because we just encourage our system just encourages that but what's interesting when
01:01:51talking about the united kingdom and you talked about uh your more left-wing friends that like want to
01:01:56raise taxes and stuff there what's also interesting on the left-right spectrum is during the great
01:02:03recession that 2008 2009 2007 um the united kingdom went more conservative where the united states went
01:02:11more liberal with their spending we pumped a lot of money into the economy the united kingdom uh i had
01:02:17it in my austerity they went austerity started uh and you can see what the outcomes were we went into debt for
01:02:23it as a nation but we recovered in a couple years the united kingdom's gdp just recovered from 2007 i
01:02:29believe like a year and a half ago no way two years ago yeah so the their more conservative approach of
01:02:34spending uh raising taxes cutting spending there in the recession it failed it objectively failed across
01:02:40europe and the united states you know donald trump covet pumped a lot of money into the economy we're very
01:02:46liberal with our spending yeah we chucked the money in so it's it's you know we we're pretty progressive
01:02:53i mean 50 of our federal spending yes it's mandatory spending it's not you know whatever
01:02:56it's still social spending so left versus right it's not it's not always you know one side's gonna
01:03:03always be in the right because the more right wing running of their federal budget in the united kingdom
01:03:09failed when it came to the great recession it just it destroyed it destroyed the economy destroyed
01:03:15productivity destroyed spending well even that now has kind of become quite squirrely because when you
01:03:20talk about conservative spending a lot of the time that's more pro-capitalist they're more prepared now to
01:03:25turn the money printer over so it's the like existing archetypes of what it even means to be left and
01:03:30right pick any pick stuff about which races you do or don't like which cultures you do or don't like
01:03:35which religions you do or don't want inside of your country like everything that you the whole
01:03:40like tectonic plate underneath what used to be stereotypes and cliches that's all moved oh
01:03:46completely i mean you do see it in race it was the more uh 90s liberal which i'm poor probably more
01:03:52aligned with on this uh perspective of we wanted to color blind society you know and it was the more
01:03:58right-wing people that were like well no we see you know they're different than us you know that kind of
01:04:03stuff like i don't know about the 90s at that point but even still that was the more 90s liberal
01:04:06perspective now it's the more centrist even right-wing position colorblind society and people
01:04:12on the far left are like no we need black dorms we need black graduations we see race first no matter
01:04:17what um and it's it's very interesting how that shifted and i don't think with bad intention to be
01:04:23clear i don't think they're evil for that but i do think it's um sometimes when people get to the
01:04:28extremists they horseshoe around correct yeah it far left and far right end up looking a lot closer than
01:04:34you'd think yeah that just going back to the bottom 50 percent contribute one percent of the taxes but
01:04:41then when you net it down in terms of what's given all different types of aid and assistance i think it's
01:04:48up to the bottom 55 percent and net detractors yeah it doesn't from the economy and with we have systems
01:04:55made for that the child tax credit is made for that it is usually lower income people that have
01:04:59more kids this is how it is and lower income people pay less taxes but they get the same
01:05:04child tax credit so this is more money is going to go to them in the end do you think that would
01:05:08surprise most people to find out that the bottom 55 percent of the population are net detractors
01:05:14from the benefit system as opposed to net contributors oh of course absolutely listen i can
01:05:18i every time i take a political compass test i find myself on a centrist you know slightly leaning
01:05:22right economically and then decently left socially but i had like an extreme socialist on my show the
01:05:26other day episode's not out yet and i was talking to her and i was like how much is the top one percent
01:05:31paying taxes she says nothing they pay zero percent i'm like no it's like 30 of all income taxes
01:05:36top 10 pays like uh 50 top 50 pays 99 it blew her mind she has no idea because we're in such
01:05:45misinformation algorithmically defined places on the internet there was a study done
01:05:52by some elite university um on the east coast where they were researchers were going into tiktok and
01:06:00engaging with left-wing content and then a different one would do right-wing content and tiktok immediately
01:06:05found out in about three minutes whether you wanted if you're anti-men or pro-left or anti-woman or pro-right
01:06:13and they would just put you into that camp where all of a sudden all the information you got all the
01:06:17content you watch was the extreme version of that and that's all you were getting because you show you
01:06:22engage with that and if you engage with that they want to give you more so you stay on their platform
01:06:25it makes sense from their business perspective so it's not surprising at all that people wouldn't
01:06:30be aware of that information if it goes against their worldview i've learned from over a thousand
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01:07:39what good financial education looks like because the incentives aren't necessarily aligned for somebody
01:07:45who feels like they're really struggling who's comparing where they are financially to where they
01:07:50think their parents were at their age where they think everybody else is at their age what they think
01:07:55that they should have so past generations other people and my idealized version of where i want to
01:08:01be all of that bundled together you saying well actually the top one percent of earners they contribute
01:08:07thirty percent of the taxes and the bottom fifty percent they're actually net detractors from the
01:08:11the system of the that doesn't make me feel any better like it's not a comfort to me to take a
01:08:19macro perspective when my micro experience sucks yeah i mean that's that's why financial audits about the
01:08:26perspective of the individual and their responsibilities and what they can change because you know some
01:08:31people comment why aren't you talking about the systems that them in the first place and i'm like
01:08:35that's not what this show can change you can go vote congratulations you contributed to
01:08:39changing the system that you want to do but the reality is on that show only one person can change
01:08:48what's happening in that person's life immediately and that's that individual so you're right talking
01:08:52about the system it doesn't help anyone on that personal level it's the actual choices there and there
01:08:58is good news the united states is actually taking um a pretty important step towards it we're close to 40
01:09:04states that now require a personal financial education course to graduate high school it's close to
01:09:0940 states it wasn't even half of america just a couple years ago so have you had a look at the
01:09:13syllabus what do you think of the syllabus i haven't looked at it but i mean the governor of michigan
01:09:17came on the show and you know she wanted to talk about it and you know uh she's democrat she's
01:09:22probably going to run for president and i was very impressed with how much she actually cared
01:09:26about making sure people needed to learn about basic personal finances before graduating high school
01:09:32i think that's important and i'm glad to see that we're doing that as a country now i don't know
01:09:38about you i don't know what the grade system is like out there in the united kingdom but i was a
01:09:44fucking retard who didn't give a shit about school i would have done whatever the minimum thing required
01:09:50to pass that school and i wouldn't or that class and i wouldn't have learned anything if i was in
01:09:53school i'm like i don't know i other than the things i was actually interested in which is mostly history
01:09:59classes and music classes at that time i did the basic bare minimum to pass and i wouldn't have
01:10:05learned anything so there is that consequence but at least we're trying if you were to put together
01:10:09a syllabus of principles financially to teach young people what would be the biggest ones it would
01:10:14start with budgeting because if you can't budget there's nothing else so um budgetings that you know
01:10:19we talked about the discipline personal responsibility that's a little harder to teach in school but at
01:10:23least learning how to budget a household uh starting with something like the 50 30 20 method which is
01:10:2850 on needs 30 on wants 20 on investing smallest categories investing you get to spend 30 of your money on
01:10:36bullshit obviously that changes in places like new york la san francisco but that's a good place to
01:10:41start from so teach that concept teach what is a good car loan to get i enjoy the money guy rule you put
01:10:4820 down no longer than a three-year term and no more than eight percent of your income is the monthly payment
01:10:54that equals a car you can afford actually teach the value of college and a degree instead of saying
01:10:59everyone needs to go to college and borrow as much as it takes to get whatever degree you want at any institution
01:11:03you want instead teach okay a good general rule is don't get a degree of which you borrow more for
01:11:13then you'll get in your expected first year's salary so that's a good oh that's nice yeah it's a it's a
01:11:18good rule to just not borrow more than you need what's i don't know how america stacks up in terms of
01:11:25different courses at different universities can you give me some examples of low medium and and high and
01:11:30what would be expected because i there's no way i've seen some of the student debt bills oh yeah that's
01:11:35bad there's no way that somebody's gonna some people wouldn't even earn that back in five years of
01:11:39being of course if they had zero costs and all of the money went back to their student loan yeah
01:11:43absolutely i mean so strictly thinking college let's get rid of trades or anything like that
01:11:49community college you can go there for two years you can get your basics out of the way
01:11:52in fact a lot of community college you can get your four-year degree now at like nursing and whatnot
01:11:57austin community college here you can go for like a thousand bucks a semester two thousand bucks a
01:12:01semester super affordable super cheap many people can work their way through it and that's in austin
01:12:05and it's it's similar in other areas uh from there you want to transfer if you're going to transfer to an
01:12:12institution uh more affordable just standard maybe directional school like western texas you know
01:12:18something like that i went to western michigan um university where it's a little more affordable
01:12:22and you complete your final two years there and you take federal student loans for that
01:12:27uh and the big question from well okay to finish your question so the for that more directional
01:12:34school finish your four years but beyond that then you're talking like you're going out of
01:12:38state at a four-year institution skipping community college out of states like double the cost
01:12:43then you can go beyond that then we're talking private institution you actually go beyond that and
01:12:48think uh uh international which is why people really care about rankings in the united states
01:12:54because that gets international students they care about rankings and they'll pay an extra premium
01:12:58to go to schools in the united states so that's why they really care um but i try to stay down here
01:13:03try to stay in that community college for the first two years and then transfer to the in-state
01:13:07institution federal student loans subsidized or unsubsidized at least you have the protections
01:13:11with federal student loans really try not to go private the only reason you'd be going private
01:13:16is because your family already makes a decent amount of money um so that that's how i would approach
01:13:21it and then is degree selection that's the important one you have to look at the fields you're going into
01:13:26a lot of the um unfortunately there is a big gender division and this isn't anti-women i don't
01:13:32want to be on that weird anti-women shit but there is an actual reality that women are getting
01:13:37lower return on investment degrees in the united states tend to get more things like
01:13:41social services psychology sociology things like that that don't return where men tend to really
01:13:47think about the income post i don't know if it's ingrained societally or culture or they to be the
01:13:53provider or whatever but for whatever reason they tend to go you know more engineer uh things like
01:13:58that and women you know more teachers so uh that's really important to think about the degree and the
01:14:02return on investment and now honestly a thing to probably consider is how how ai resistant your career
01:14:08field is going to be who knows where that's going to go i think unfortunately women are going to be
01:14:11hit hardest by that so there is uh it's referred to as the lanyard class okay people that wear lanyards
01:14:17to work it's middle management it's marketing it's hr and that is a big chunk that sort of white collar
01:14:25lanyard people that is going to be a big chunk of what ai comes for first supposedly uh and that is
01:14:32going to i i tweeted this and i got people got very mad at me about it that you're looking at your
01:14:37responses to tweets who cares if people are getting mad i go on that once every two days and i see what
01:14:43furor has occurred within the last 48 hours look they don't matter i post and ghost but it's just
01:14:48interesting to see what the sentiment is sure how close to a third rail or beyond the overton window is
01:14:54this thing that's not real life so it's just so hard to take an account what is said very true like
01:14:59this last election in midterms i swear it all went opposite of what you saw on twitter like you're
01:15:03gonna think all these like out uh outsiders were gonna win because they're so big on twitter it was
01:15:10nothing it was nothing yeah don't look at your response the sexy campaign on social media is not
01:15:14middle america who are voting and actually have the time and the uh preparedness to be able to go out and
01:15:19have registered and are ready to go um anyway i said uh uh we've just got ourselves now we've overshot it
01:15:29a little bit i think women out on men up to the age of now about 32 33 that's about 1111 pounds more
01:15:37to 29 i don't know what it is after that and only then does it but that has grown it was up to 29 now
01:15:43it's up to 32 33 i think for women out earning men uh given that you've just about reached young people
01:15:51gender parity between men and women in terms of earning you are now about to see that what probably
01:15:58to women feels like we finally arrived economically okay majority of degrees yep two women for every one
01:16:07man completing a four-year u.s college degree by 2030 etc etc master's degrees even more correct uh phd
01:16:13also more but not more more uh that situation of parities may be going to be at risk and i think a
01:16:23lot of fingers are going to be pointed that um we just arrived and now robots built by men
01:16:32have just taken our opportunity that is still so fucking green that we haven't settled into it away
01:16:38from us that i think is going to be one of the biggest stories of the next decade i mean there's going
01:16:42to be many but one of the ones that people are going to feel the most is more war between the sexes oh
01:16:48yes the gender wars are so extreme yeah the political division right now in the most recent uh federal
01:16:54election the gender divide in the generation z is further than any other generation in american history
01:17:02it's it's it's it's scary i'm actually scared and it's impacting more things than this is that
01:17:07uh it's impacting reproduction numbers which impacts the overall economy it impacts retirees the retiree
01:17:13to worker ratio if people aren't fucking and people aren't fucking people hate each other now they
01:17:18have um you're swiping based on political affiliation on the dating apps you know uh so it is very scary
01:17:25and it's sad to see and unfortunately again it is usually like the white women that are calling me
01:17:29fascists online uh for personal responsibility finances okay you're in very good company with
01:17:34regards to that yet yeah but it's like yeah it's a it's really weird because i really just want the
01:17:40best and we're talking about statistics or anything isn't sexist it's not right now you know i didn't
01:17:48even say it earlier because it shouldn't be about the sexes but when we talked about people struggling
01:17:52post-college degrees and not get a job it's actually not women they're they're getting uh jobs at the same rate
01:17:59as new degree holders as traditional it's men that are falling off the cliff but i didn't want to focus
01:18:03on that because this shouldn't be a big gender war but the gender wars among gen z right now is insane
01:18:09and we're going to have massive consequences down the road just as we've seen in south korea
01:18:13and japan and i'm terrified for that as a hopeful future retiree yeah uh this was from my newsletter
01:18:20this week asian women now earn more on average than white men in the us a finding that adds a wrinkle
01:18:27to common narratives about patriarchy and white supremacy asian women are winning yeah yeah sure
01:18:32of course and like i understand there's the history right so you got to put
01:18:37many people feel burdened by history i get it victimhood's easier to have than you know saying
01:18:43like all right we're doing okay now um i think i think it's it's very there's two there's two sides
01:18:49on that more uh i guess if you have to put it in a camp right-wing perspective is like you know oh
01:18:55everything's good now so you know we don't even need to think about what came before right it's like
01:18:59okay but there is an actual history and then on the left wing side that's just as bad is like they
01:19:03don't even recognize that there has been progress it's all victimhood it's all bad women are oppressed
01:19:08all this stuff it makes no sense have to acknowledge the realities of history and you have to also
01:19:13recognize when we're trying to change society that we actually have changed society and people are doing
01:19:17better than before the thing that's kind of an unseen cost of always looking with a historical
01:19:26context that forgets the present is that it actually denies people who are in a good situation from
01:19:32ever feeling like they're in a good situation yeah absolutely go hey hey you fucking arrived i get it
01:19:39burdens from the past uh things that need to be remembered so we don't fall back that the main fear is
01:19:44if we if we don't keep talking about it maybe we'll go back there right sure that keep a weather eye on
01:19:50that make sure that that's happening but if you make progress in the present always neutered by what
01:19:57where it came from in the past you never actually give people the gift of feeling
01:20:02the opportunity for celebration couldn't agree more but you're evil for saying that so i'm aware it's
01:20:07fine i've been called a lot uh people aren't fucking caleb hammer like that's the i did i did a
01:20:14four hour debate about the birth rate decline uh i could have just who uh it was uh stephen j
01:20:20shaw who did the birth gap documentary uh simone collins who they say people are
01:20:24fucking because they're not no no it was a demographer a pronatalist and a statistician uh it was broadly
01:20:33broadly in agreement although the reasons were what was being it was kind of i've been deep down this
01:20:38rabbit hole for a while um which if anyone knew the actual reasons we would be able to fix it right
01:20:43and every country has tried to throw a lot of money at it and it's it worked in hungary for a year and
01:20:48then it fell back so correct there's there is a number so lyman stone would be an interesting one
01:20:52for you to talk to from a like economic implication he's like institute for family studies which you may
01:20:57have referenced at some point he's the man when it comes to these like tip of the fucking spear
01:21:01um there is a number that you can pay people to fix the birth rate and it's not that much but
01:21:07it's loads compared with what we spend it's like 10 of gdp it's a lot i mean it might be required at
01:21:13some point right because that's like collapse of human civilization at some point i don't think you
01:21:17know luckily the united states were like generally pro-immigration people want to move here so we'll be
01:21:22fine but places like uh south korea are done yeah for every hundred south koreans will be four great
01:21:28grandchildren yeah 96 gone within a century that's insane so have you looked at um the economic
01:21:35implications sort of macroeconomic implications of a declining population yeah i mean i'm more focused
01:21:41on the retirement when we were um these numbers i'm gonna have to be a little fuzzy on because it's
01:21:47hard to remember exactly but when we first started a social program called social security that has good
01:21:52intent not an evil program mismanaged not smart in the end you know we had like a worker to retiree ratio
01:21:58of like 100 to one uh what are we at now we're like uh it's close to like 10 to one or something you
01:22:04could have these numbers um but the the closer and closer we get the more burden it is on the individual
01:22:09and if you have social systems that are solely reliant on a growing population growing tax base it doesn't
01:22:16work they fail so all the social programs are starting to fail you're seeing them starting to
01:22:20buckle social security is going to have a mandatory 25 cut in 2032 is what's projected why so when there
01:22:29were more workers we were contributing more money than was going out so that money was starting to build
01:22:34because old people don't work but they do need caring for yeah which makes sense and that social
01:22:40security uh fund was starting to build but where was it like around early 2000s or something we started
01:22:47to take more out of it than was going in as the baby boomers started to retire and also there's just
01:22:51less people replacing them and by 2032 unless the retirement age changes unless the cap on social
01:22:57security tax changes unless we reduced the cap on social security would be brought down or or we also
01:23:04cut benefits to those who are already high incoming you know all controversial for different reasons
01:23:09whatever that's not the point but unless something changes the fund goes to zero and then the only
01:23:13money that goes out is the money coming in and that's projected to be a 25-ish percent cut by 2032
01:23:19fuck me that's going to be unpopular oh it's good whoever's president's going to get killed i mean
01:23:24it's going to be bad we'll probably just honestly the property right of law will borrow the difference
01:23:27and our debt will just go even further probably what's going to happen the last time we made a
01:23:31compromise was during the reagan administration if i'm not mistaken where they barely wage raised the
01:23:36retirement you have to remember the average lifespan what is it now 65 yeah right around there and we
01:23:41raised like two years the average lifespan for when we started social security was like if you
01:23:47actually make social security you're going to live for another two or three years now you're going to
01:23:51live a couple decades so it just doesn't it doesn't make sense anymore it even though it's super
01:23:56unpopular among the highest voting base the boomers social security retirement age for what it was actually
01:24:01intended to when fdr signed it into law should have been raised almost like 70 by now which sounds evil
01:24:09yeah does anybody like the idea of working and working and working this is i've still not been
01:24:15able to thread this needle properly i've done four hour fucking discussion with the best on the planet
01:24:20as far as i could find to talk about this stuff endless episodes with steve and i've had limon on
01:24:24before i've had simone's husband on people that are skeptical critical all this stuff i'm like dude
01:24:29like if you care about the quality of life of people more people are going to be old in the future
01:24:34than ever before we're going to have more old people than ever before and where do you think the
01:24:38money to support them comes from like do you want grandma and nobody i've said this gazillion times
01:24:44nobody should have kids that doesn't want to have kids nobody should have kids that doesn't want
01:24:48to have kids there is a more extreme position than that which is it's your duty to have kids to
01:24:52feed the economic engine i don't subscribe to that view but like just the fact that birth rate
01:24:59decline is not a problem is kind we shouldn't we shouldn't consider it especially from a left
01:25:05leaning perspective we shouldn't consider it because it's good for the environment like
01:25:11i i've really i've really struggled to thread this needle like properly that's a hard one
01:25:15the thing that disappoints me is you know before i was even born right around when i was born in the
01:25:2090s they considered taking that social security fund and having it having that money get put into
01:25:24something like the s p 500 yes at this point it would be insanely large and we would have enough
01:25:31money to do whatever we would have like a norway level uh sovereign wealth fund it'd be incredible
01:25:37because norway's actually capitalistic and smart with their money apparently via the government
01:25:41but we said no let's tie it to the low t bills like mr o'leary was talking about which is another
01:25:46reason why i'm against like low t bills because guess what didn't grow now it's being drained
01:25:51i saw some stats around uh sam backman freed's investments with ftx uh anthropic was one of them
01:25:59i think spacex was another one and because during administration bankruptcy whatever the it's called
01:26:07what's it called liquidation like when we sell it all sell everything get the value of it right now and
01:26:12just give people the pennies on the dollar to what it is that they're owed by this bank that goes under
01:26:16that was run by a guy that played league of legends while he was on skype calls if they'd held to now
01:26:24everybody would have got their money back i mean you could have paid people probably double triple
01:26:31quadruped their investment in anthropic is worth like a fucking insane amount of money the same thing
01:26:35goes with spacex ipo that just occurred that's a question what do you make of having the world's first
01:26:40trillionaire in existence right now yeah it's interesting a lot of people are very angry about
01:26:45it um you know uh a lot of i i'm happy that you can get rewarded in this country for the things you do
01:26:56we're getting internet beamed from space i love my tesla the self-driving is insane if people haven't
01:27:01been in a recently updated self-driving tesla like you can read eat drink coffee scroll on tick tock and
01:27:08the car will get you somewhere perfectly fine with that without without looking at the road it's one
01:27:13of the crazy that's technology no one would have even dreamed of 20 years ago the things that we're
01:27:17doing the private space like i think it should be rewarded for it trillions a lot it's crazy but even if
01:27:23the argument is you're against someone being a trillionaire what's then the action the action is
01:27:29you're forcing him to sell a position of his own company you're saying we're taking a gun and we're saying
01:27:33you must sell a position of your company to pay tax on it i'm against that as a philosophy that doesn't
01:27:39make sense should a trillionaire exist i don't know but if you decide the answer is no the actual action
01:27:46that comes from it is world's worst than whether or not a trillionaire should exist forcing people to
01:27:50sell their companies crazy it's a really interesting argument i understand inequality is one of the
01:27:56craziest distorters of human behavior so one example from candace blake who's out in australia
01:28:02she looked at levels of uh self-sexualization and beautification of women and correlated posts on
01:28:09instagram and twitter at the time with the geolocation it came from and looked at the wealth inequality in
01:28:15that area women that were in higher wealth inequality uh ecologies posted more sexy selfies did more
01:28:22self-beautification and more self-sexualization the reason for that her theory was when you see both
01:28:28how high you could climb and how low you could fall if you pick the right or wrong mate that on average
01:28:34will be at least contributing to the household and maybe the breadwinner and the primary provider for
01:28:38you and your future family you start to turn on the taps in terms of the way that you work and that's
01:28:44one example in one very small niche of one very small study when globally everybody is now aware
01:28:51that there is a guy on the planet right now that could lose a trillion dollars and still be the richest
01:28:57man on the planet that you and me and everybody is closest to the second richest man in the world than the
01:29:06second richest man in the world is to the first richest man in the world that is deranging it's
01:29:12deranging to the way that people see their place in society it is i just try to put it in perspective
01:29:17and if the thing the thing is i've i'm i do well and i'm okay with paying more in taxes if that's the
01:29:23argument i'm not okay with it if we're not even able to investigate fraud if we're not able to blah
01:29:28blah blah you know there's a lot of things the bureaucracy is insane fucking so i'd rather not pay more in
01:29:33taxes until we actually get our shit figured out but even still i would be okay with paying taxes
01:29:38if we say it's going to fund something that's going to help people but the conversation has gone away
01:29:41from that to saying that man has a lot of money that's evil let's take it that's no longer the
01:29:46conversation i want to fund something that's actually good if we're going to raise taxes
01:29:49so it's the i they've lost me at that conversation and also they think like where does him being a
01:29:56trillionaire affect you for me i think what actually affects someone's personal life is
01:30:00they have to call a cashier to unlock a toothbrush at a corner shop that's actually impacting you on a
01:30:06daily life zoning laws is impacting you because it's preventing houses and higher rises being built
01:30:12which impacts your housing costs student loans being tied basically to hiring more administrators
01:30:19that impacts you there's so many more things impacting you than someone whose companies that he
01:30:23owns you know large stakes and went public and they're being valued high which made his net worth go
01:30:29exponential there's so many more things to address first and freaking out about that but something in the
01:30:34human nature especially of the more extremists i will say and more populous is like that person has
01:30:39a lot of money i don't let's take it but even if they took all of his money i think everyone gets
01:30:43like what is it like a thousand or two thousand bucks it's something it's something that it would
01:30:47actually be really nice and for a lot of people could be life-changing but that's one time it would
01:30:50drive inflation extreme and uh it would actually just be damaging in the end because then we don't
01:30:55have life-changing technology why would it drive inflation extreme speak to me as if i'm five
01:31:01well you know talking to you like you're a fucking llm here
01:31:05can you imagine if you had a caleb llm it's just shouting screaming at you all the whole time a
01:31:10rapid supply of 350 million americans spending a couple thousand bucks just out of the gate like
01:31:15a trillion dollars just pumped into the economy like that i mean that'd be brutal just look what we did
01:31:19during the pandemic pumping hundreds of billions so it'd be pretty brutal whilst also sounding like
01:31:25the sort of thing that we would want but not you need people to spend money one in the micro but not in the
01:31:29macro yeah not so much that it drives insane hiring sprees that pushes everyone's incomes to insane
01:31:35levels that pushes inflation higher what are the biggest financial red flags in dating
01:31:41uh high car debt would be absolutely horrible if i pull up to that tick tock girl we saw earlier in
01:31:47fifty thousand dollar car financing a fifty thousand dollar debt on a car like we'll hook up but we're
01:31:53not staying for a second okay it's a big red flag high car debt what else um i think it's nice for
01:32:05people to off off offer like splitting the bill on a first day you know i like being i guess the man
01:32:12and like paying for it but i think it's actually it's a green flag when people you know if they expect
01:32:16you to pay for it i think is a bit of a red flag you know if they're thinking like they're that special
01:32:20thing and that's why entitlements i don't know it just kind of turns me off specifically if when people
01:32:27have that main character syndrome and it gets tied into the financial situation of like expecting things
01:32:32you know that's kind of gross to me a bullshit degree i mean less less bullshit just toss that
01:32:38out to the side yeah what did you do you degree in yeah no sorry i dropped out this is not gonna work
01:32:43no you meet me on an imaginary imaginary would you date me i dropped out uh how much debt you got
01:32:50uh 25 000. that's all right i'd date you okay yeah nice tits thank you
01:33:00um car payment bullshit degree yeah um in that entitlement of like expectation around spending
01:33:07okay on them anything else what what uh low ambition i know that's kind of tied to finances in general
01:33:15but if someone's that ambitious i don't need someone to be ambitious to want to go make a million bucks
01:33:19a year but if someone isn't driven in their career or even just hobbies if they're not driven what a
01:33:25turn off i think going uh low ambition high materialism is the perfect cocktail it's like
01:33:33hey you're allowed to be materialistic as long as you've got the conscientiousness to know where
01:33:37the limit is and to be able to keep the front of the funnel pouring in yes you've described the gold
01:33:42digger and we've had lots of them on the show they're the oh i love a couple with a gold digger i can
01:33:48just i can just verbally punch all day why so much fun it's just so much fun because i see the person
01:33:54the typically unfortunately a man but i've actually had the reverse a few times but usually the man's
01:33:59actually working making a lot of money and she's over there feeling entitled and i see all the spending
01:34:03in their own statements i see proof in front of me of her just spending all this money and feeling like
01:34:07they should do all this well this guy over here is struggling working two jobs it is just it is a brutal
01:34:13thing and the nice thing the thing that i love about it is seeing that light bulb go off in his head when
01:34:17he notices this person's just using me how many couples have broken up because of what you revealed
01:34:23financially uh very rare on the show we've we've had a couple i had one divorce it wasn't from the
01:34:28show and it was a couple years ago just a bad marriage but it's actually pretty rare for people
01:34:31to break up you should couples merge finances at some point it's nice to have a joint account that
01:34:37incomes go in and then bills come out of and then we can send uh fun money to our own accounts from
01:34:43there i think after marriage makes a little more sense at least common law marriage because then
01:34:47you have some uh some of those protections in the case of death or whatnot but um yeah i mean it's
01:34:54fine it's fine if you want to keep it separate as long as they can actually budget the household
01:34:57people just usually fail at that without getting insight on the full thing what's your perspective
01:35:01on prenups yeah it's fine if there's like a big wealth divide yeah a big wealth divide it makes sense i
01:35:07think if you're both making a hundred it's a bit weird do you often see financial infidelity like
01:35:12hiding purchases all the time so common and most people don't think it's actually much of anything
01:35:17but the other person feels really hurt in the end they just don't realize it because spending is just
01:35:21one of those things or it's not it's not viewed as extreme as cheating it's not as extreme as cheating
01:35:25but it does impact the other person that they're hiding it from more than they think the moment it's
01:35:29exposed on the show you can see the pain in their face it's still trust yeah it's trust it's exactly trust not
01:35:36talking to the person it's a lot of things and it hurts them personally if you're not being honest
01:35:41with me about this how can i be certainly you're being honest with me about anything else oh yeah
01:35:47absolutely it's a vicious cycle with that stuff what uh is there a like sex difference in what men and
01:35:55women go broke doing honestly no not really i mean i'll get able to be equally retarded in similar
01:36:03directions retarded i mean they everyone loves collectibles they just get like different i got
01:36:07little boobos on the women and i got pokemon cards on the men everyone loves collectibles no no but
01:36:11like you know it's like split down the genders like like both genders love it does everyone's obsessed
01:36:17with warhammer 40k and others obsessed with beanie babies exactly so i mean you'll get some more
01:36:22frivolous spending maybe a guy will put some more into his car a girl will get more extensions but
01:36:26it's similar levels of what's actually interesting is you know talk about young men gambling issues but the
01:36:32the it's actually pretty similar in terms of percentage young men and young women this is
01:36:35not talked about no way men is higher but it's pretty close it's pretty close what do you think
01:36:40of prediction markets what's your it's fun just like drinking just like smoking weed um anything
01:36:45like that i think it's cool if you can control it if you know you have an addiction or an addictive
01:36:50personality you need to keep yourself away from like that yeah mental health issues impacting spending
01:36:56is that true like shopping addictions and stuff yeah or if you're depressed it feels good to get
01:37:01that dopamine spike of a quick purchase absolutely um yeah mental health affects everything in the
01:37:07end it's kind of that that discipline thing right everything stems from the discipline when it comes
01:37:11to personal finances if your mental health is bad usually your discipline is going to be bad
01:37:15i can't remember where it was i read this i think it might have been the ubi test study there
01:37:20was two that were done 2024 and uh one of the points there was if you're poor you can only really get
01:37:28small doses of pleasure from small things but that means that you're more likely to spend frivolously
01:37:35because you need to relieve the stress it's that point that we made before like if you have not that
01:37:41much pleasure in your life and you're burdened with worry and you don't know what the future has in
01:37:45store for you yeah you're going to go and buy cigarettes yeah because the cigarettes alleviate your
01:37:49suffering it's the certain things i remember there's this example from sam harris years ago it was
01:37:56during the some of the more crazy race conversations around mid 2020 and i was struggling to see uh
01:38:08philosophically consistent arguments about um white privilege and he came up with one that i thought
01:38:15was so cool and he said if i've ever gone through tsa and i've had my bag pulled i've never once thought
01:38:23that it's because of my race interesting not an interesting kind of white privilege i've never
01:38:29once thought that like i i've up like i left water in the water bottle or it's a random check by tsa
01:38:34because they've got to do it like this is what they do yeah that is not true if you're of a different
01:38:38race yeah it's just straight up not true and the same thing the same thing to a degree is also true
01:38:47when it comes to being poor that there are these sort of secret psychological loops that people go
01:38:53through about what their financial position means to their identity how they then cope with that
01:38:59identity with their behavior which feeds back into the financial position yeah that seems to be the one of
01:39:04the very unseen death spirals and it's too it's too complex to put on a billboard it doesn't sound
01:39:11sexy like what what intervention are you going to have as a politician or as a potential president
01:39:17going and we are going to teach people how to intervene in their conscientiousness when they begin
01:39:22the downward death spiral of sedating themselves from feeling bad about their financial position doing
01:39:27things that makes a financial position was no it is way too complex despite the fact that it might be one
01:39:33of the key driving forces okay how can we how can we give people i mean we do we give people social
01:39:40media which is some of the freest dopamine that you can get on the planet but i think all that that
01:39:44really does is raise the waterline of minimum dopamine that you now need an even bigger dose to be
01:39:50able to break out the top of it i wonder whether we would be in better financial positions without social
01:39:56media oh probably i mean we see things we see the lifestyles that people pretend they have all the time
01:40:02and we like to chase lifestyles we're jealous we're jealous people jealous species it makes sense i think
01:40:09that's one of the drivers of lifestyle inflation and unfortunately poor people will go broke trying
01:40:15to look rich oh yeah the car especially absolutely is that what's the dumbest purchase category that
01:40:21people constantly overspend on constantly in america it's certainly the car well and it's baked into our
01:40:28infrastructure you have to drive you have to drive to have a job to have to drive like that is the
01:40:32reality but people will over justify how much car they need needing the new car because of the new
01:40:38safety rating like cars would literally kill you five years ago or something like i don't really get
01:40:43that um a fuel efficiency like you can make some arguments and stuff especially in times like now
01:40:47where gas is up but people will justify the heck again like her out of getting a 50 000 car loan for
01:40:55a car that you do not need what is the rough rule of how to work out what price of car you're able to
01:41:03afford it comes down to the monthly payment if you get a debt as long as you put 20 down it is a three-year
01:41:09term the minimum monthly payment should be no more than eight percent of your income if it is then
01:41:14you're getting a car that's likely too much out of your affordability range it seems like a pretty
01:41:19simple formula yeah it's easy yeah it gets most people a pretty good car what does that get an
01:41:25average earner making 50 grand a year oh i don't know should we do the math i can do the math do the
01:41:31math uh okay um well then i have to like understand what 20 down would be so it'd have to be post 20
01:41:39percent okay okay okay fifty thousand dollars because it is gross income so talking eight so
01:41:44it's forty thousand you can do forty thousand divide that by twelve so i mean that's pretty chunky
01:41:50um no no sorry that's not eighth i did eighty percent okay so four thousand hours over twelve
01:41:58that's three hundred thirty three dollars but you have to come so as long as you put twenty percent
01:42:02down it's a three-year your car payment three hundred thirty three dollars you can probably get a good
01:42:07bit of car for that money decent decent i mean interest rates depends on your credit score you
01:42:12might have to go a little higher then you just need to pay down quicker and i'm okay with that you just
01:42:15got to put extra towards it you just don't have to freak out about it if you're doing that if you're
01:42:18following that rule i guess a lot of people need credit to build a financial future whilst also
01:42:24struggling to build credit to qualify for it because they lack credit history yeah but there's credit
01:42:30builders now there's charge cards now where yeah you know you put the money on there to spend but it's
01:42:35building credit uh so there's a lot more resources today than before if people are just willing to look
01:42:40can someone become obsessed with financial optimization to the point where they make their life worse
01:42:45i mean our friend our friend graham stefan i think a little right i mean i don't know is uh i don't
01:42:50think he needs to i love the dude i love the dude but everything you see on camera is actually what
01:42:54you get in reality and he will micro freak out about just a little penny he's gonna spend on lunch or
01:43:00something and he'd make more money if you use that mental effort on producing a piece of content
01:43:05isn't that a hidden cost a strange kind of hidden cost of obsessing over finances too much but you
01:43:10know what he has fun with this so it's actually probably not making his life worse well yeah because
01:43:14his enjoyment from scrutinizing and saving is greater than the enjoyment he would get from the
01:43:21spending yeah it's this weird i mean he was built to be a saving engine yes he's like the
01:43:27fucking lebron james of saving money but i think for some people if you get to that way and it's not
01:43:31actually your passion and it's more coming from like let's say i don't want to overuse the word
01:43:35trauma but trauma of like growing up poor so now you're just freaking out about it constantly i think
01:43:39that could you know hurt your lifestyle interesting archetypes of people that grew up without money i i grew
01:43:45up without money and uh some people grow up to i've never had this before fuck it we ball or i've never
01:43:53had this before it might be taken away i'm not going to spend it that's us yeah you read die with zero
01:43:59by bill perkins no oh dude i know but i haven't really fun it's three hour read or listen or whatever
01:44:04and um he's just got some interesting ideas that i would be hey you i know you're doing financial
01:44:10audit are you sitting down with other people that are morgan housels of the world the bill perkins of
01:44:16the world have you got any desire to do that to because i would love for you to scrutinize financial
01:44:21philosophies from people that have got popular financial books it'd be it'd be fun but i also
01:44:25have to acknowledge even though there's some topics that i'm interested in learning from experts from
01:44:30i'm no different from just a dude off the street i'm not a fucking expert like i'll listen to people
01:44:34but it's hard for me to like push back against a true expert in their position that's why i like
01:44:38keep into what i do it's basic personal finances is so basic until you get to the crazy
01:44:43shit so basic until you get to the top 0.1 is this budgeting control discipline low index funds low
01:44:50cost index funds target date retirement funds emergency fund that that's the i'm into bread and
01:44:56butter you've exited all of your rental properties exiting yeah why um better return on investment in
01:45:02the stock market all day every day no hassle either i mean i'm not the one fielding the calls when
01:45:06something breaks but you know it's just every month is up and down depending on what needs to be repaired
01:45:11and just even if nothing needed to be repaired the only thing you take advantage of is some leverage
01:45:17there which can be nice especially if the market booms but in general real estate has lost now
01:45:24to the s p 500 just consistently i'd love to own a piece of commercial like you do that's great you know
01:45:30you get some some uh quick depreciations on there which is really nice uh so that's something i'd be
01:45:35willing to get into at some point i'm unwinding all of the houses i have in the uk except for the one
01:45:40that i i still live in that's like there's still my my place of well that's a collapsing country so
01:45:45that's true that is that is true but i mean i there was a period and this was sort of what i
01:45:52grew up with i was very fortunate that when i started doing business the guy that was my partner was
01:45:59five years older than me in the exact same industry i'm very very financially responsible and i only
01:46:05child so didn't have anybody that was entrepreneurial understanding the uk system and working in the
01:46:10same industry with the kind of cash flow and the sort of pacing that we would get so i just followed
01:46:15the same path that he was on and his was every time that you get to about 30 000 pounds of spare
01:46:21deposit on a buy to let student property between two and five bedrooms in a good student area
01:46:26hand it off to a management company they'll take between 10 and 20 and wait you just 20 rinse and
01:46:32repeat i managed to negotiate to 12 but uh rinse and repeat okay that's that's pretty good and let's
01:46:38say i never talk about money this is my britishism but i've got you here so let's say uh the best
01:46:45purchase that i made was 150 000 pounds a five bed student property in heaton in newcastle and i would
01:46:58have put 25 percent down so i i think i i think all in with stamp duty and the fees and all the rest of
01:47:07this stuff i think i put somewhere in the region of like 50 grand down and that would make after
01:47:12everything 1800 pounds a month and then there would be maybe some repairs that we needed so let's say
01:47:211500 so that's like 18 grand 18 grand a year great cash vehicle yeah but what you were really doing it
01:47:28for was to tie because it's an interest-only mortgage so you were just tiding over hoping that everything
01:47:33would be kept in maybe it would spew out a little bit of cash and that would be lovely but you were
01:47:38waiting for the capital gains that was what you wanted i'm going to hold this for 10 years and it's
01:47:41going to go from 150 to 200 to 250 and then it's going to be and i'm unwinding all of these properties
01:47:46and like the future that i promised myself has not come to fruition yeah it's they've all appreciated
01:47:52hooray but kia starmer's changed the capital gains tax i'm getting fist-fucked off that and the
01:47:58gains that i thought that was going to make didn't occur and i'm in the exact same position as you i
01:48:03also now this is my fault i have to pull the money across from pounds to usd so i'm going to get fist
01:48:09on the exchange and i'm going to have to do something creative in order to be able to it's
01:48:13company to company so it's relatively linear to do limited company in the us the uk to an llc over here
01:48:19but like i was thinking this is going to be you know retirement fund stuff and maybe if i'd held
01:48:25it for the rest of time and never left the uk that would have been it but it when i started and i was
01:48:32behind dave business partner that was sort of laying this groundwork for hey this is how you get to a
01:48:37financial level of of real comfortability that that route is is not the same anymore at all and and
01:48:46everybody hates landlords so like something that used to be hey you're holding on to this property you're
01:48:52making sure that it's kept to a high standard you're uh making sure that we're well looked after you're
01:48:59a good landlord even if there's a management company in between you and us uh there's no
01:49:04prestige really associated with it now in the same way no it's just kind of interesting i mean i got
01:49:09shared from the landlord thing too i mean i don't really care because it's usually coming from people
01:49:12that have no impact on anything in society but a couple of the places i bought were basically
01:49:18unlivable and i brought them up to be a place for people to live in and people like literally they
01:49:24were on the market people were not buying them to bring it up to live in because it was in the
01:49:29student area of western michigan university no one was going to live in the student section no one
01:49:33was buying a house to live there uh so it was places that just weren't being lived in that i made
01:49:38livable and actually benefited there was a period in the uk and i came in after this which is
01:49:44it does make sense one of the big criticisms you took a uh two bed or three bed classic family home
01:49:52and you rejig all of the walls and the construction to turn it into five or six or seven bed student
01:49:58properties there's no family in newcastle that needs a seven bed house in yeah uh that is basically
01:50:05locked in for the rest of time that this is going to be a student property and now if you ever stop you
01:50:12it's called an hmo it's a house of multiple occupancy if you ever take it out of that you
01:50:17can never get the license back so they're now trying to reverse that back to try and encourage families
01:50:22to buy these houses but the problem is i'm never going to sell one of my houses well that's not i
01:50:27would sell it to whoever wants to pay the price but no family is going to pay the price that i can get
01:50:32from somebody that wants it as an investment property because they are going to have to knock all of
01:50:37these walls down and turn it back into what it was before it was turned into a student house which i
01:50:42didn't do governments will do any rule regulation tax whatever to think they're trying to encourage
01:50:48something other than literally just make zoning laws better for people to just build what people
01:50:54are demanding i will never understand it that's why that's why i love this town i love austin because
01:50:58we let people build more houses on units now on lots we let people build higher houses we got rid of parking
01:51:05minimums where the government forced you to have a certain amount of parking spots it's so stupid
01:51:10they'll do every every policy besides just letting developers build what the market demands dude there
01:51:16is a a lot near zilka that i drive past sometimes and it used to have one old style ranch house that
01:51:24probably had two beds it was up on sticks walk up a little set of wooden stairs to get to it classic
01:51:29wooden ranchy house and it had a trailer thing that was for some for pancakes it must have been a business
01:51:36that the person had started at some point and there was a bit of a yard outside or whatever and then one
01:51:41day no house no trailer just flattened like there'd been a miniature atomic bomb that went off there are
01:51:47now three ground floor first floor second store story houses built on this one plot of land yeah and they
01:51:57look nice they've i mean it's still all green and insulation and wooden shit at the moment but and that's
01:52:03nice that's due to literally texas and the city of austin just a couple years ago like passing those
01:52:08kind of reforms i heard that the housing problem in america would be fixed if the zoning laws were
01:52:13changed that there's enough demand and enough capital to be able to make the houses the only issue
01:52:19is that the nimby problem yeah it's the nimby's yeah which makes sense i mean if you're thinking about
01:52:24your own interest in california and la you want the cost of your house to continue going up forever
01:52:29that's usually where the majority of your wealth is you can borrow against that so of course you don't
01:52:33want more development coming in housing prices to fall it's economically against you and you're
01:52:38usually a big voting block you're a big uh important part of local elections and you can
01:52:43be a loud voice at the city council meeting so it makes sense that people are against it but
01:52:48i don't know i mean be all the way build with the market demands i think a couple restrictions
01:52:52make sense i don't want it like a uh you shouldn't be drilling for oil in someone's backyard you
01:52:56know i don't know i i'm overall pro data centers because the information around there's a lot of
01:53:01misinformation but do i want a data center in my exact backyard no build them in the middle of
01:53:05nowhere that's what i like um so it's just like yeah there's some restrictions make sense but let
01:53:12the market build what the market demands i wonder how many people are eat the rich they're taking the
01:53:20money that young people need in order to be able to buy houses whilst also being i don't want any
01:53:24houses built near me oh yeah usually the biggest nimbys are the ones that say in this neighborhood
01:53:30you know the signs what is it in this neighborhood we accept science is real women are women yes yes
01:53:35women are people black people are i there's i know the exact sign that you mean and usually the nimbys
01:53:41yeah yeah interesting how much money do you need to raise a kid um well uh definitely less than
01:53:49people think for sure because i mean forever throughout human existence you know we're just
01:53:53having kids and it was fine it is a little harder today but going through public school um getting
01:54:00them on your insurance all that good stuff if you're not thinking about having to get parent plus loans
01:54:04like you could you can do it on just a normal middle class salary for sure you can have quite a few
01:54:08kids but an exact number i don't have that i think people believe that it's more expensive
01:54:16than it actually might be but again a lot of that is what do i think i need and what do i think that
01:54:23my kid would need versus what what is actually needed this is an interesting part of that birth rate
01:54:30debate that we had where in order to have the kid realistically assuming that you don't have some
01:54:37huge windfall of money the total pie of money that you have to spend is not going to change all that
01:54:41much in fact it might go down as one partner needs to take time off work in order to raise them
01:54:46and then child care costs and all the rest of it that means that your lifestyle needs to take a hit
01:54:53you need to i'm not going to be able to go for dinner as much yeah i'm not going to be able to
01:54:57upgrade the car as frequently and that feels like that feels like getting poorer yeah where
01:55:04what you've done is you've just reportioned the money from what would have been car to know what
01:55:09now is child which i'm i empathize with it makes sense so if you don't want to have kids don't have
01:55:14kids that's kind of what you said earlier right you know we shouldn't force people to have kids but
01:55:18we also should shouldn't be doing misinformation of people thinking they need to have an endless supply
01:55:23of money to have kids like well we're richer than ever before and people have had kids when we were
01:55:28poorer than ever before like you do need money you need school supplies you do need to make sure they
01:55:34can be on your health insurance like there are a lot of things you need money for but we overemphasize
01:55:40it for sure forcing people to have kids is horrendous but scaring people out of not having kids when they
01:55:46could because of misinformation is also something that never gets spoken about oh yeah yeah caleb hammer
01:55:53ladies and gentlemen dude you're awesome i appreciate you i think what you do is great
01:55:56where should people go to check out all of the shit you've got going on caleb hammer on youtube
01:56:00and i recommend everyone download dollar wise change their lives unreal until next time man appreciate
01:56:05you thank you goodbye my beauties dude that was fun thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed
01:56:12that episode another one that i know you love it's just here

핵심 요약

Achieving financial freedom is less about raw income and more about aggressive behavioral discipline, specifically by utilizing the 50/30/20 budgeting rule and refusing to finance depreciating assets like luxury cars.

하이라이트

  • Average guests on Financial Audit pay off over $20,000 in debt within 12 months of appearing on the show.

  • Financial health is primarily a result of behavioral discipline rather than knowledge, as indicated by high-income earners often struggling with worse debt than lower-income earners.

  • The 50/30/20 budget method allocates 50% of income to needs, 30% to wants, and 20% to investing, serving as a foundational step for financial stability.

  • The cost of living as a percentage of income has dropped in most categories since the 1950s, excluding housing, healthcare, and borrowing for education.

  • Borrowing for a vehicle should follow the '20/3/8' rule: at least 20% down, a term no longer than three years, and a monthly payment not exceeding 8% of gross income.

  • Social Security is projected to face a mandatory 25% benefit cut by 2032 due to the shrinking ratio of workers to retirees.

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Psychology of Debt and Behavior

  • Financial distress is largely driven by poor daily behavioral choices before an emergency occurs.
  • Guests on the show consent to rigorous auditing and public scrutiny, which facilitates personal accountability and change.

Financial success stems from understanding the system's mechanics combined with emotional regulation. Rather than emergencies causing debt, the lack of a three-to-six-month emergency fund makes unavoidable life events financially devastating. The auditing process uses credit reports and transparent discussions to hold individuals accountable for their spending habits.

Economic Realities for Young Generations

  • Cost of living in most categories has decreased relative to income since the 1950s.
  • Housing, healthcare, and higher education remain the three primary categories causing significant financial damage.
  • Gen Z users account for 59% of 'buy now, pay later' service usage.

While buying a first home is objectively harder due to market shifts, young people still retain control over discretionary spending, school paths, and debt acquisition. Current negative economic sentiment is often reinforced by algorithms that prioritize negative news, despite overall healthy GDP growth. Choices like attending community college or trade school instead of expensive private institutions significantly impact long-term financial trajectories.

Bankruptcy and Financial Recovery

  • Bankruptcy provides a fresh start but is not a substitute for changing the underlying behaviors that created the debt.
  • Hidden costs of bankruptcy include thousands in legal fees and seven to ten years of credit impact.

Bankruptcy often fails to fix financial issues because individuals frequently repeat the same irresponsible spending patterns post-filing. Filing for bankruptcy makes accessing basic services like apartments and car loans more expensive due to predatory interest rates and stricter deposit requirements. Without fixing behavior, individuals often find themselves back in the same debt cycle within a few years.

Wealth, Debt, and Identity

  • High-income earners often carry the most severe debt because they qualify for higher credit limits and practice lifestyle inflation.
  • Financial success is heavily dependent on the ability to remain disciplined regardless of income level.

Debt is often used as a tool to project an identity, such as purchasing expensive vehicles or clothing to impress others. Lifestyle inflation frequently outpaces income growth, meaning individuals earning $500,000 can be in worse financial shape than those earning much less. Managing personal finances effectively requires separating one's identity from materialistic consumption.

The Future of Social Programs and Trends

  • Social Security faces a projected 25% cut by 2032 as the worker-to-retiree ratio continues to decline.
  • Zoning law reform, such as eliminating parking minimums and allowing higher density, is essential to fixing housing shortages.
  • The bottom 50% of earners contribute only 1% of federal income tax in the United States.

The current social safety net relies on a growing population and tax base that is no longer sustainable. As birth rates decline in countries like South Korea and the U.S., social programs become increasingly difficult to fund. Policy changes focusing on supply-side housing reform rather than excessive regulation remain the most viable path to lowering costs.

Financial Principles and Advice

  • Net worth milestones like $5 million in liquid assets provide extreme flexibility and emergency coverage.
  • Financial infidelity—hiding purchases from a partner—is a primary cause of broken trust in relationships.
  • The most common dumb purchase is an overpriced vehicle, which should be constrained by the 20/3/8 rule.

True financial security is defined by the ability to weather catastrophic events, such as a cancer diagnosis, rather than the ability to purchase luxury items. Couples should consider merging finances to improve transparency, as hidden debt often acts as a form of infidelity. Prioritizing long-term stability and high-return investments like the S&P 500 over depreciating assets is the core of sustainable wealth building.

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