Bryan Johnson’s Blueprint for Breaking Sh*tty Habits

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00:00:00talk me through your James Clear approach
00:00:04to the Brian Johnson's James Clear.
00:00:06- Okay, so actually I'll show you mine,
00:00:07but I wonder if this resonates or not with people,
00:00:10but I had this issue where at 7 p.m.
00:00:13I would overeat every night.
00:00:15- Yeah, evening eating for me is the only time,
00:00:18and no one ever overeats at breakfast.
00:00:20Oh yeah, it was just 9 a.m. and I gorged myself on Snickers.
00:00:23- Yeah, exactly.
00:00:24Yeah, like maybe like on a weekend brunch
00:00:26where you order pancakes and you're like, oh my God.
00:00:29- It's a one-off, yeah.
00:00:29That was a bad idea.
00:00:30I don't want to do that again.
00:00:31- Yeah, exactly, awful, yeah.
00:00:32So like your willpower goes down all day.
00:00:33It makes sense.
00:00:34Like 7 p.m., like you have stress, you're worn down.
00:00:36Like you just want to like, whatever.
00:00:38So that was my issue, I overeat at 7 p.m.
00:00:40And so I did it every day for years.
00:00:43And every night was the same battle, right?
00:00:44Like I'm not going to do it.
00:00:45I'm not going to do it.
00:00:46I do it.
00:00:47And then like, you know, the top button on my pants,
00:00:50I can't be buttoned up.
00:00:51And I'm like, fucking hate myself.
00:00:53Like this is so tight.
00:00:54I'm so uncomfortable.
00:00:55So I tried so many things to stop that and I couldn't.
00:00:58And so the one thing that I did is one day,
00:01:01I just kind of said in jest, "Evening Brian, you're fired."
00:01:06Like you, Brian, who occupied me from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.,
00:01:11you're an unreliable thing.
00:01:14Like every day-
00:01:15- Steward.
00:01:16- Yeah, steward.
00:01:17Like you basically come up with these rationalizations
00:01:20like tonight's the last night.
00:01:22Tomorrow morning, we're going to exercise really hard.
00:01:24It's one bite.
00:01:25Like whatever your specific entry point is,
00:01:27you always convince me to do it.
00:01:30- You're a slippery motherfucker.
00:01:31- Exactly.
00:01:32And you basically make morning Brian miserable.
00:01:34You make dad Brian less good dad.
00:01:37Like ambitious Brian is hurting because of you.
00:01:39And so I said, "You're fired."
00:01:40And so that means from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.,
00:01:43you do not have authority to eat food, no matter what.
00:01:48Like I don't care what's happening.
00:01:50You cannot eat food because you're so shifty.
00:01:53And so I just made that rule.
00:01:54And so I gave him a name, I wrote down his arguments.
00:01:56And so he would come into my mind and be like,
00:01:58"Hey, I'm here."
00:02:00And I'm like, "Hey, evening Brian, like how you doing, man?"
00:02:03- Fuck you.
00:02:03- Yeah, and like, oh, you're going to use
00:02:05the we're going to work out hard tomorrow morning argument.
00:02:07Or like tonight's the last night.
00:02:08Like I see you and I know what that is.
00:02:10And I've done this a hundred times.
00:02:12I've never in my entire life felt satisfied with myself
00:02:16after doing this ever.
00:02:17I've never felt proud of myself.
00:02:18I've never felt good.
00:02:19- Yeah, you're selling yourself a lie
00:02:21about how you're going to feel after doing this.
00:02:22- Exactly.
00:02:23And so, yeah, that was just, it was just a rule.
00:02:25And so I guess the rule is something like,
00:02:27none is better than some.
00:02:31That we do like to rationalize that,
00:02:34oh, just like every once in a while is fine.
00:02:37Moderation is a principle of life I want to play by.
00:02:39We have all these very clever catchphrases
00:02:42to justify our inability to actually do what we want.
00:02:46And so, yeah, that was a really clean hook for me.
00:02:48- That's cool.
00:02:49And the reason that I like it
00:02:50is because of this most recent iteration
00:02:53of the over-optimizing, can we not just fucking like,
00:02:57how lame, how like, you know,
00:02:59the stress of trying to be perfect
00:03:01is killing you more quickly than your imperfections.
00:03:03Moderation, man.
00:03:05And there is a kernel of truth in it.
00:03:07And this is why like a slower, more gentle approach to,
00:03:11I see you, I think there's something there.
00:03:13I see you, I think there's something there is,
00:03:16hey man, your focus on these habits
00:03:21is a kind of fragility
00:03:23and it is destroying the enjoyment of life
00:03:28by obsessing over how you live it, right?
00:03:31So I get the angle on that.
00:03:33The problem is that nobody scrutinizes
00:03:36the just live by vibes man approach
00:03:39with the same like level of resolution,
00:03:44because by design, they're living by fucking vibes
00:03:46so nothing's being tracked.
00:03:48But you've, I've never even thought of it before,
00:03:49but you've fucking nailed it,
00:03:50which is the, I just live by moderation, dude,
00:03:55is not living by moderation, it's living by extremis.
00:03:58Like you end up, the moderation, you put,
00:04:01I always use this example because I like biscuits, cookies.
00:04:04I like biscuits.
00:04:06If you tell me pack of Oreos, there's one outside,
00:04:09you can eat none of them or you can eat all of them.
00:04:10I'm like, done.
00:04:12- Exactly, right?
00:04:13- But you can eat two of them.
00:04:15- Yeah, exactly.
00:04:17- Fucking Superman.
00:04:18No, I can't eat two of them.
00:04:19No, if you give me a star, maybe, I don't know,
00:04:21maybe some people aren't like this.
00:04:22I'm a eat all of them or none of them kind of guy.
00:04:25So you're what on the surface, like first order
00:04:29looks like the very bureaucratic, dictatorial Nazi policy.
00:04:34Like how can you do this yourself?
00:04:36Like, ah, you're not balancing life.
00:04:38Like it would be much better if you just allowed yourself
00:04:40to treat like every so often.
00:04:41It's like, okay, show me how every so often
00:04:44your every so often is.
00:04:45- Yeah, exactly.
00:04:46- It's not that every so often.
00:04:47It's actually most of the time.
00:04:49- Yeah.
00:04:51- You know, I just, I'm a bit more flexible with my sleep.
00:04:53You know, sometimes I let myself sleep in.
00:04:55Sometimes I can give myself,
00:04:56I go to bed a little bit later.
00:04:57Like it's like, okay, just look at when you're going to bed.
00:05:01It just keeps on shifting later and later.
00:05:03And there is no trend over time.
00:05:05It's just, and sometimes it's getting wider.
00:05:08- Yeah.
00:05:09- So yeah, I think I've never thought of it before,
00:05:11but the everything in moderation is not done in moderation.
00:05:15- Exactly right.
00:05:16- Yeah, so this is like, again,
00:05:18mimetic moral philosophy of warfare.
00:05:20So the person who's arguing for moderation
00:05:23is attempting to take a drive towards health
00:05:28and make that low status
00:05:31and make their moderation high status.
00:05:33So this, if you look at the world through this lens,
00:05:36you realize everybody at all times
00:05:39is trying to take their position
00:05:41and they're like assessing the battlefield.
00:05:44And they're saying, anything that makes me feel low status,
00:05:47I'm going to invert
00:05:48and make that high status thing low status
00:05:50and my thing high status,
00:05:52because I inherently want to feel superior
00:05:54to people at all times.
00:05:56And that is like literally everything that's happening
00:05:59at any moment in society.
00:06:00- Ever.
00:06:01- It's just like humans want to feel superior in high status.
00:06:03- Okay, do you know the inner citadel idea by Isaiah Berlin?
00:06:08- I don't.
00:06:09- Allow me to teach you.
00:06:10I think this may be useful to you.
00:06:13Isaiah Berlin says,
00:06:15when the natural road to one human fulfillment is blocked,
00:06:17human beings retreat into themselves,
00:06:19become involved in themselves
00:06:20and try to create inwardly that world
00:06:23which some evil fate has denied them externally.
00:06:25If you cannot obtain from the world
00:06:27that which you really desire,
00:06:28you must teach yourself not to want it.
00:06:30If you cannot get what you want,
00:06:32you must teach yourself to want what you can get.
00:06:35This is a very frequent form of spiritual retreat in depth
00:06:38into a kind of inner citadel
00:06:40in which you try to lock yourself up
00:06:42against all the fearful ills of the world.
00:06:44And a different way to look at it is
00:06:45if your leg is wounded, you can try to treat the leg.
00:06:48And if you can't, then you cut off the leg
00:06:50and announce that the desire for legs is misguided
00:06:52to just be subdued.
00:06:53- That's right.
00:06:54That's right.
00:06:55Yeah, I mean, that's it.
00:06:56I mean, basically that's the exact articulation
00:06:58of what we've been discussing.
00:07:00Yeah, it's the medic and moral philosophy of warfare
00:07:02to feel superiority.
00:07:04- Because nobody wants to feel inferior.
00:07:05- Yeah.
00:07:06- You looked at Adlerian stuff much?
00:07:08- Yeah.
00:07:09- Yeah, and a lot of that is driven by this
00:07:11I can't be inferior.
00:07:13This is why getting into a relationship
00:07:15with too much of a power imbalance.
00:07:17One person is significantly busier than the other.
00:07:19One person is significantly better looking than the other.
00:07:21One person has significantly more attention than the other.
00:07:24The power imbalance is so great
00:07:27that unless the second person is happy
00:07:29to only ever sing harmony and never sing lead
00:07:31and is there like in service
00:07:33and the service becomes their reward.
00:07:36If you have two people,
00:07:37you can't have two people singing lead.
00:07:39Like one person has to sing harmony.
00:07:40And if you're lead singing and they're lead singing
00:07:43and there's this fucking way ahead or yours is way ahead,
00:07:45there's going to be tension.
00:07:46And I think about those bridges
00:07:51that you see during earthquakes
00:07:53and they sort of do this.
00:07:55They like flex like that.
00:07:57And I think about that kind of visual.
00:07:59It's this sort of flexing intention.
00:08:01It's not even necessarily a pulling apart.
00:08:03It's I'm going this way and you're going that way
00:08:05and yeah, exactly right.
00:08:08- Yeah, I mean, 100% like what is society?
00:08:11I mean, I guess like there's two macro games
00:08:12happening in society.
00:08:14Like in that tension is what is high status?
00:08:17And then within that game of who is high status?
00:08:22Right, that's it.
00:08:25And then you've got everyone else playing
00:08:27to try to take the high status, make it low status.
00:08:29But like right now the highest status game is wealth.
00:08:34Right, capitalism.
00:08:36It just came from Adam Smith, a couple hundred years ago.
00:08:38I'm saying like, we look at-
00:08:39- Is the highest status game raw wealth?
00:08:41What about a renowned popularity recognition?
00:08:46Because you look at somebody who already has lots of wealth
00:08:50and a lot of the time they continue to pursue status.
00:08:53I spoke about this with Naval and his,
00:08:57I think this is true.
00:08:58You're interested to get your perspective.
00:09:00Money is evolutionarily novel and yet it's a proxy for status
00:09:04and it gives you things that status can't.
00:09:06But we should have raw status for statuses sake,
00:09:10prestige, dominance, access, it's like a recognition.
00:09:14That should be more deeply rooted
00:09:16and therefore less easy to satiate than money.
00:09:20'Cause money is more novel and money is not direct access
00:09:23to the thing that you need, right?
00:09:25Money without status can make you live
00:09:28and status without money can make you fucking miserable
00:09:29and kind of on the street in a way.
00:09:31But it seems like people who get lots of status
00:09:36rarely continue to pursue money.
00:09:38Whereas people who get the fucking infinity money
00:09:41do always continue to pursue status.
00:09:43Do you see an asymmetry here?
00:09:44I'm interested with your perspective on money and status.
00:09:46- Absolutely right.
00:09:47I mean, I think basically, I think that's correct.
00:09:50I think money has more raw power.
00:09:55Just from a- - Transactional.
00:09:58- Just raw power.
00:09:59Like the ability to do things in the world,
00:10:03to move the world, money is, in this current context.
00:10:08Now behind that, so again, I can remember two games.
00:10:10One is what is high status?
00:10:12And then two is who's winning within status?
00:10:15And so my comment on money is that that is within context
00:10:19of that as high status.
00:10:21But if you look at broader status of what is high status,
00:10:24right, like religion has played status, right?
00:10:27Like you look at Christianity where Jesus is like,
00:10:29look guys, I've got a new status game for you.
00:10:33And it's not what you're being told.
00:10:36Like I'm gonna tell you a whole new rule set.
00:10:38And so any religion's done that.
00:10:40And so this is the game I'm trying to play.
00:10:42I'm trying to basically say like right now,
00:10:44capitalism is status.
00:10:47Like it is, if we said like, this is the thing.
00:10:49And I'm trying to say, this is the thing that might lead us
00:10:54to make a terrible error in judgment on what we do
00:10:57in this moment.
00:10:59And that the flip is existence itself is high status.
00:11:04- Interesting.
00:11:06- And never to the exchange of anything else.
00:11:08It is never worth trading existence for anything else,
00:11:12wealth, power, or status.
00:11:14Existence itself is the highest virtue.
00:11:17- Yeah, I do understand.
00:11:20And I think what I like is that you are not trying
00:11:23to append the game of status itself.
00:11:26- Yeah.
00:11:27- That's locked in.
00:11:28- Yeah, 100%.
00:11:29- It's like saying, well, you know,
00:11:31rather than trying to work out a more efficient rocket
00:11:34to get us off this launch pad, we can just defeat gravity.
00:11:36And you go, no.
00:11:37- Yeah.
00:11:38- There are physics within the system.
00:11:40And one of the physics is, one of the physical laws is status.
00:11:43- Yeah, so really the master game in society,
00:11:46like the ultimate game is determining what is status.
00:11:50Like what is high status?
00:11:51And then of course you have billions and billions of humans
00:11:54who will play within the game.
00:11:55They'll just be like, oh, this is the game,
00:11:57the function and the reward system, like I'm playing.
00:11:59They won't think about it.
00:12:00They don't realize that the game's been set up for them.
00:12:03They'll just play it.
00:12:04- That's interesting.
00:12:04Yeah, so rather than trying to convince people
00:12:08not to play the game,
00:12:09you just change what the game is pointing at.
00:12:11- Exactly, and they'll play it.
00:12:12They'll play the same fundamentals
00:12:13they'll apply to the new game.
00:12:14So when you say existence is the highest virtue,
00:12:17that the same human behaviors that are stamped out
00:12:19throughout time, same archetypes, same players,
00:12:22same stuff, every single time, just get the game right.
00:12:25And that's what I'm saying.
00:12:26Like if this moment is so simple,
00:12:28just get the objective function correct.
00:12:31- It's like a, I don't know, some sort of judo throw
00:12:34that uses your opponent's momentum against them.
00:12:36- Yeah, exactly.
00:12:36- So to speak.
00:12:37- Yeah, that's right, that's right.
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Key Takeaway

By externalizing bad habits as unreliable alter egos and redefining existence itself as the ultimate status symbol, individuals can bypass the trap of false moderation and societal status games.

Highlights

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Timeline

Firing the Nighttime Alter Ego

Bryan Johnson describes his struggle with nightly overeating and how he finally overcame it by personifying his evening self as an unreliable steward named "Evening Bryan." He explains that by "firing" this version of himself, he removed his authority to make decisions about food between 5 p.m. and 10 p.m. This psychological trick allowed him to recognize and dismiss the common rationalizations used to justify breaking a diet. He emphasizes that the evening self often makes promises the morning self has to pay for, creating a cycle of self-hatred. Ultimately, this rigid rule of "none is better than some" proved more effective for him than attempting to eat in moderation.

The Myth of Moderation and False Flexibility

The conversation shifts to a critique of the "moderation" philosophy, which the speakers argue is often used to mask a lack of self-control. They discuss how the stress of trying to be perfect can be damaging, but they note that a "vibes-based" approach usually leads to a gradual decline in standards. One speaker uses the example of eating an entire pack of Oreos versus just two, noting that for many, total abstinence is easier than limited indulgence. They conclude that "everything in moderation" is rarely actually practiced in moderation, but rather serves as a high-status label for those avoiding the discipline of tracking their habits. This section highlights the mimetic nature of moral philosophy, where people attempt to make their own weaknesses seem like high-status choices.

The Inner Citadel and Power Imbalances

The host introduces Isaiah Berlin's concept of the "Inner Citadel," a spiritual retreat where people teach themselves not to want what they cannot obtain. This psychological defense mechanism allows individuals to announce that a desire—such as for health or wealth—is misguided simply because they have failed to achieve it. The speakers apply this to relationships, noting that significant power imbalances in beauty, wealth, or attention can create immense tension. They use the metaphor of a bridge flexing during an earthquake to describe the strain of two people both trying to "sing lead" in a relationship. This section explores how the human drive to avoid feeling inferior shapes personal philosophies and interpersonal dynamics.

Redefining the Status Game

Johnson and the host analyze the macro games played in society, specifically focusing on the intersection of wealth and status. They observe an asymmetry where those with status rarely continue to pursue money, but those with "infinity money" almost always continue to chase status. Johnson argues that while capitalism currently defines status through wealth, the ultimate "master game" is actually determining what society considers to be high status. He proposes a "judo throw" against current societal norms by making "existence itself" the highest virtue and virtue of status. This approach doesn't try to defeat the human drive for status but redirects it toward the preservation and optimization of life. This section concludes with the idea that getting the "objective function" of life correct is the most important task for humanity.

Optimizing Health and Closing Thoughts

The final section pivots to a practical health tip regarding hydration and the role of electrolytes in maintaining energy levels throughout the day. The host emphasizes that fatigue is often a result of dehydration rather than a lack of caffeine or sleep. He promotes Element as a tool for optimizing brain health and regulating appetite through a science-backed ratio of sodium, potassium, and magnesium. This connects back to the earlier themes of discipline and habit-building by providing a concrete method for physical optimization. The episode concludes with a call to action for viewers to explore the full conversation for more in-depth insights. The speakers reiterate that managing the body's baseline needs is a prerequisite for playing higher-level status and existence games.

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