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00:00:00You are hamstringing yourself if you are trying to choose
00:00:03between Clod Code or Codex.
00:00:05Now, Clod Code has owned the AI discourse for months now,
00:00:08and that's because the gap between Clod Code
00:00:10and the number two option was extremely large.
00:00:14But Codex has quietly closed that gap.
00:00:17GPT 5.5 is an amazing model
00:00:20and is arguably better than Opus 4.7.
00:00:23The usage limits are way more generous
00:00:26with OpenAI's Pro plan than with Anthrovic's Max plans.
00:00:29And yes, that's still the case
00:00:31even though they doubled the five-hour limits.
00:00:34They certainly didn't double the weekly limits, by the way.
00:00:36And the Codex desktop app is a legitimately good product.
00:00:41Now, that's not to say that Codex is better than Clod Code.
00:00:44It's to say that you now have options.
00:00:47And the best play isn't to sit here
00:00:48and try to choose which one of these two good options
00:00:51is better, the best play is to use both.
00:00:54And luckily for us, getting the best of both worlds
00:00:57is extremely easy to do.
00:00:58It takes literally seconds to set up the Codex desktop app
00:01:02with the Clod Code terminal running inside of it.
00:01:05And mastering both tools is also very easy
00:01:07because the Venn diagram of Codex and Clod Code
00:01:11is basically a circle.
00:01:12There's like 99% overlap.
00:01:14So if you learn how to use one of these,
00:01:16you can very easily learn how to use the other.
00:01:18So today I'm gonna tell you
00:01:20what you should be thinking about
00:01:21if you're a Clod Code user
00:01:22who's trying to dip your toes into the Codex waters.
00:01:25We're gonna do a quick demo
00:01:27where I show you how to use these two tools in tandem
00:01:30and we'll have a deeper discussion
00:01:31about why I think you need to be tool agnostic,
00:01:34why we shouldn't pigeonhole ourselves into one coding agent,
00:01:38into one company's ecosystem.
00:01:40Because let's be honest,
00:01:42you owe these companies zero loyalty.
00:01:45So today we're gonna focus on the Codex desktop app.
00:01:47Now there is a Codex CLI, but in my experience,
00:01:51I found that to get the best of both worlds,
00:01:53it's easiest if we use the Codex desktop app
00:01:56with the Clod Code in the terminal inside of it,
00:01:59because you can have a terminal open inside of this app.
00:02:02And the desktop app honestly
00:02:04has some really nice quality of life stuff
00:02:05that I will show you, things like an in-app browser
00:02:07and that sort of thing.
00:02:08So to use it, you just have to go to openai.com/codex
00:02:12and the installer takes like two seconds.
00:02:14Now let's talk about pricing really quick.
00:02:16By and large, if we compare this to anthropic stuff,
00:02:18you're getting more bang for your buck across the board.
00:02:21So it's hard to do some sort of like one-to-one thing
00:02:24because token costs are different.
00:02:26GPT 5.5, if we're talking about cost per million tokens,
00:02:29it's about the same or slightly more expensive actually
00:02:32than Opus, but it uses less tokens.
00:02:34And then usage depends on the time of day or sort of.
00:02:37There's a lot of factors.
00:02:38So it's not like a one-for-one examination
00:02:41or comparison we can do, but big picture,
00:02:44you get more with OpenAI.
00:02:46Now, things you need to note.
00:02:50There's GPT 5.5 and there's GPT 5.5 Pro.
00:02:54GPT 5.5 Pro is only available
00:02:57if you are on the $100 or $200 Pro plan.
00:03:00If you're on the $20 or less plan,
00:03:02you can have 5.5 just sort of straight up.
00:03:055.5 just straight up is still good.
00:03:075.5 Pro is obviously a little bit of a step above
00:03:09and it's a model that actually beats out mythos
00:03:12in some benchmarks.
00:03:14But if you're someone who is coming from cloud coding,
00:03:16like, all right, I'm already doing 200 bucks a month
00:03:18in cloud code, like, do I need to do 100 bucks in Pro
00:03:21to get the full power?
00:03:22I would suggest just start with the 20 bucks a month
00:03:25and get your feet wet and see how you like it.
00:03:27There's no, and if you really like it,
00:03:28you can always upgrade to 100.
00:03:30For me, in my situation, I'm on the $100 Pro
00:03:33as well as the max plans with Anthropic.
00:03:36Once you install codecs, you'll open it up
00:03:37and you will see something like this.
00:03:39Now, before we do the quick rundown
00:03:41of what you need to be thinking about,
00:03:43a quick word from today's sponsor, me.
00:03:46As you know, I recently released a cloud code masterclass,
00:03:48which is the quickest way to go from zero to AI dev,
00:03:51especially if you don't come from a technical background.
00:03:54But I also just released yesterday
00:03:56a codecs masterclass alongside it.
00:03:59And it's for two types of people.
00:04:01It's for those who are brand new,
00:04:02never done any sort of coding stuff,
00:04:04but wanna get into codecs.
00:04:05And it's also for those of you
00:04:07who are a little more experienced,
00:04:09you've been inside of cloud coding,
00:04:10trying to figure out, hey, how do I make the transition?
00:04:12And really, how do I use these two tools in tandem?
00:04:15So it's pretty much everything we talk about today times 10.
00:04:19So if you wanna get your hands on that,
00:04:20as well as stuff like my agentic OS system,
00:04:23OS system, you can find that inside of Chase AI Plus,
00:04:27there's a link to that in the pinned comment.
00:04:29So this is gonna be the very quick
00:04:30five-minute run through of codecs,
00:04:32what you need to be thinking about
00:04:33and some sort of differences.
00:04:35In terms of the UI, very intuitive, honestly.
00:04:37So very chat GPT coded, right?
00:04:40We have the prompt window.
00:04:42I can add photos and files.
00:04:43I can do plan mode right here, it's just a toggle.
00:04:46We have the permissions set up,
00:04:47very similar to permissions inside of cloud code,
00:04:50where we have like bypass permissions, auto,
00:04:52that sort of thing.
00:04:53I can choose the intelligence, AKA the effort,
00:04:55as well as the model right here.
00:04:57I can also very quickly see where I am
00:04:59in terms of what folders I'm operating in.
00:05:01They call them projects.
00:05:02I can work locally or in the cloud.
00:05:05I can do different work trees, that sort of thing.
00:05:07So pretty easy to navigate.
00:05:09Now let's quickly go through the settings tab.
00:05:11So you have general, the work mode.
00:05:13You're gonna wanna be on four coding.
00:05:15This is just gonna give you more technical detail.
00:05:17Permissions shows up again.
00:05:19This is just saying, "Hey, do you even want these
00:05:20as options to be shown to you?"
00:05:22The answer is yes,
00:05:23because you're gonna wanna sit on full access.
00:05:25And then over here in general,
00:05:26most of this just has to do
00:05:27with the environment setup itself.
00:05:30One thing you might notice is right here,
00:05:31follow-up behavior, queue versus steer.
00:05:34We'll talk about that more in detail later.
00:05:36Just keep it on queue for now.
00:05:38Appearance is exactly what you would think it would be,
00:05:40but down here you have pets,
00:05:42which sound kind of stupid at first,
00:05:44but honestly pretty useful
00:05:46because they're basically like a visual hook
00:05:48that lets you know if codecs is working in the background
00:05:51or if it's ready for you to do something else.
00:05:53So it's just like this little thing, right?
00:05:56It goes anywhere on your computer.
00:05:58It sits on top of whatever program you're using.
00:06:00So if I close out codecs,
00:06:03I can still see my guy.
00:06:06And you'll see it later when we're actually doing a task.
00:06:08It will have a little text stream
00:06:09so you can see what it's working on.
00:06:10And then it kind of just goes flat like this
00:06:12when it's done working.
00:06:13So honestly, I love notification stuff like this.
00:06:17Like with Claude code, I just have, you know,
00:06:19an audio hook go off every time it finishes a task
00:06:23because I probably lose more time with agent decoding
00:06:27from just like not getting back to the task
00:06:29after I tell it to do something
00:06:30and then I tab out or walk away.
00:06:32So, you know, hey, use it or don't, doesn't really matter.
00:06:35Then you have configuration.
00:06:37They have some stuff with hooks.
00:06:38It looks like I need to update.
00:06:39Over here is sort of the approval policy
00:06:41and sandbox setting.
00:06:42So this is similar to permissions except on a global level.
00:06:45And then over here for a workspace dependencies,
00:06:48you will want to have codecs dependencies switched on,
00:06:51which it should be by default.
00:06:52Then we have personalization.
00:06:53So you can kind of choose your personality.
00:06:54This is not, this is not agents.md, aka claud.md.
00:06:59So codecs has its own version of claud.md.
00:07:02It's called agents.md.
00:07:03And again, we'll talk about that more detail in a little bit.
00:07:06Personalization's kind of similar, but not exactly.
00:07:09It's more like, hey, I always want you to call me
00:07:11by this name or something like that.
00:07:13There's also memory.
00:07:14This is similar to memory inside of claud code,
00:07:17which is also on by default.
00:07:18I turn this stuff off.
00:07:19It's like, hey, if I tell codecs,
00:07:22hey, I always go to the gym on Tuesdays
00:07:24and then Tuesday rolls around and I say something like,
00:07:26I don't know what to do today.
00:07:27You'll say, oh yeah, you go to the gym on Tuesdays.
00:07:30I don't really care for that stuff to be honest,
00:07:33but up to you.
00:07:34Then the rest of this stuff is like MCP servers,
00:07:37Git, environments, works, trees.
00:07:39This kind of will depend like,
00:07:40depends how technical you are,
00:07:42how deep you want to get into that.
00:07:43Then there's stuff like browser use and computer use.
00:07:46So computer use, you need to be on Mac
00:07:50and then browser use is exactly what it sounds like.
00:07:54Then we also have archive chats and usage.
00:07:56So not too much you have to play around with here.
00:07:59Mainly you're going to be in general
00:08:01and then appearance and configuration.
00:08:03Up top, we got plugins.
00:08:04So Codex has plugins and skills similar to Claude code.
00:08:08The line between those two is pretty blurred.
00:08:11So plugins by and large are almost like skill packs
00:08:14or MCPs that come from providers themselves
00:08:16that you can easily install.
00:08:17So something like Superbase installs a Superbase MCP
00:08:21and the requisite skills.
00:08:22So if I open up a chat now and said,
00:08:24hey, open up or create a database inside a Superbase for me,
00:08:27it just does it.
00:08:28So same thing with all of these and it includes stuff like
00:08:31Chrome and spreadsheets and presentations.
00:08:33And it's a one-click install.
00:08:35Then we have skills works pretty much the same as Claude code.
00:08:38If you just opened Codex,
00:08:40you probably get a pop-up that's going to say something like,
00:08:42hey, we noticed you have all of these skills
00:08:45from another coding agent.
00:08:46Would you like to import them?
00:08:48So it will import with one click of the button,
00:08:51pretty much everything from Claude code
00:08:53or something like open code.
00:08:55So it's able to recognize that on your computer.
00:08:56So that's another thing that makes it really easy to switch
00:08:59between these tools.
00:09:00So I'm like, oh man,
00:09:01I built like this skill army on Claude code.
00:09:03I can't leave it.
00:09:04Well, it's like, no, actually you can.
00:09:06It just automatically throws it in here.
00:09:08And so to use these, you know, you just click on them.
00:09:11You can uninstall them.
00:09:12You can turn them on or off.
00:09:13So again, pretty intuitive.
00:09:15You can also manage them up here,
00:09:17create a skill very easily.
00:09:19And it has its own skill creator skill as well.
00:09:22There's also the automations tab,
00:09:23similar to routines in Claude code.
00:09:25They have some default ones in here.
00:09:27We can go here and automatically create a new automation.
00:09:30You can set it up on the work tree or local.
00:09:32You can put it in a specific project time, all that stuff.
00:09:36You also have the ability to,
00:09:37just like you would in the terminal with Claude code,
00:09:39just say, hey, let's create an automation using X, Y, and Z.
00:09:42And we'll automatically put it in there, but very simple,
00:09:45very intuitive to visually click around here.
00:09:47Now, in terms of navigating the file structure
00:09:50and the space on your computer,
00:09:52the way it breaks it down is projects in chats.
00:09:54So right now I can go inside a project called audit flow,
00:09:58which is when I was on earlier today,
00:10:00or I can add a new project, or I can just say,
00:10:02I click here and I'm in a new chat.
00:10:04So a new chat, it isn't really in any specific folder.
00:10:07This is just like being in the chat window
00:10:09inside of like Claude code desktop.
00:10:11Like I'm just talking to it like it's chat GPT.
00:10:14If I want to work in a specific folder
00:10:16or I want to start a new project,
00:10:17we're going to go to projects.
00:10:19So to do that very simple, you can click up here.
00:10:22You can start from scratch and we'll create a new folder
00:10:24inside whatever you've set as default.
00:10:26I usually just do use an existing folder
00:10:28so I can get a little bit more specific
00:10:31about where I want to go.
00:10:33So in here, we'll do new folder
00:10:36and we'll just call it like YouTube demo codex.
00:10:40And then, yep, hey, do you want to import some settings?
00:10:43Sure, let's do that.
00:10:44Supporting some recent settings changes I had in Claude code.
00:10:47And now you can see here, I'm inside my YouTube demo codex.
00:10:52We're working locally on the main branch.
00:10:54You can all see that over here in projects.
00:10:56So I can say, hey, what's up?
00:10:59And then you now see that chat down here.
00:11:05Now this chat is pretty much the same
00:11:07as having a terminal window open
00:11:08because I can stay in the same project.
00:11:10And if I go up here and I just do start new chat, hi again,
00:11:15I now have two chat windows open,
00:11:18which is virtually the same exact thing
00:11:20as me having two terminals open, right?
00:11:24Same sort of process, open in the same folder,
00:11:27doing their own thing,
00:11:28but still kind of working on the same project.
00:11:29They can see everything between one another,
00:11:31but it's very easy to kind of keep track of it
00:11:34inside of this UI.
00:11:35I can also click on any of the chats.
00:11:36I can copy them, fork it into local,
00:11:38fork it into new work tree, rename, pin it,
00:11:40whatever I want to do.
00:11:41I can also very easily click on the project
00:11:43at three dots right here, open it and explore.
00:11:46So, you know, actually navigating the chats
00:11:49and navigating your file system and having a mental model
00:11:51of where everything is sitting on your machine,
00:11:53very easy to do.
00:11:54And frankly, that's pretty much the codecs desktop app.
00:11:58A lot of other cool stuff going on here, right?
00:12:00You can see like the branch details,
00:12:01very easy to do stuff like get actions,
00:12:03but like that was pretty much the bulk of it, right?
00:12:05Everything I just told you, you can use that.
00:12:08You can build whatever you want.
00:12:09Now we talked a little bit earlier about,
00:12:11hey, you can use the terminal inside of here,
00:12:13up here on the top, right?
00:12:14Toggle terminal, boom, here's the terminal.
00:12:17It's inside my YT demo codecs project.
00:12:20And then we can just run clod, boom.
00:12:25I now have clod code and codecs open in the same project.
00:12:28Now, in terms of bouncing them off one another,
00:12:30couple of ways you can do that.
00:12:31One, we can, and what we'll do right now
00:12:33is we'll have it create some sort of little web app for us.
00:12:36And I can have a plan in codecs, take the plan,
00:12:38copy into clod code, see what it says,
00:12:40copy and paste back and forth through that sort of thing.
00:12:43Or I can have codecs build something,
00:12:44have clod code actually look at the code
00:12:46because they're inside the same directory,
00:12:48figure out what it says.
00:12:50I'm sure there's actually much more sophisticated
00:12:51and simple ways to do it than even this,
00:12:53where you can sort of set up something automatically.
00:12:55I haven't messed with that too much.
00:12:56Point is like the infrastructure's here, really easy to do.
00:13:01We have the best of both worlds.
00:13:03So let's do a simple little demo
00:13:05to kind of put it through the paces.
00:13:07We'll ask it to create sort of a content/research,
00:13:12ideation type web app.
00:13:16One part needs to be able to like pull information
00:13:18from a bunch of sources and give us like possible ideas.
00:13:21Second part, I want it to like be able to synthesize
00:13:24all the information it grabs and come up with content ideas.
00:13:27And then third part,
00:13:29let's have it create some sort of little scheduler
00:13:30at the bottom, maybe like a mini Kanban board
00:13:32to like keep our ideas in track.
00:13:34So it needs to be able to research, ideate,
00:13:36and then actually organize all this data.
00:13:38So let's see what it does.
00:13:39We'll start with codecs.
00:13:40So put it in plan mode.
00:13:42Also in terms of invoking skills and things of that nature,
00:13:47pretty much the same.
00:13:48You can do forward slash,
00:13:50and you can like call a certain skill.
00:13:53So if I was like front end design skill,
00:13:55boom, there we go.
00:13:56Or I can also do at.
00:13:58So I could do at like spreadsheets.
00:14:00And so now it's using the spreadsheet plugin.
00:14:03I can also just use natural language.
00:14:05And just like with Claude code, it should pick it up,
00:14:07but doing like slash commands and at commands,
00:14:10that's sort of how you point at different things.
00:14:11And same thing for pointing at specific files or folders.
00:14:15It also works the same way.
00:14:17And one other thing, context, something to note,
00:14:20the 5.5 Pro has a 258K context window
00:14:25versus Claude codes one million.
00:14:28My take, not really a bad thing.
00:14:31'Cause most people have no idea
00:14:33how to manage their own context.
00:14:35They live in context raw hell.
00:14:37And a 258K pretty much makes it impossible
00:14:40to do that for very long.
00:14:41Now it has auto compaction when you hit 258K
00:14:44and auto compaction has its own slew of issues,
00:14:47especially when we begin compacting the same conversation
00:14:49over and over and over.
00:14:50But like I just showed you,
00:14:52doing the equivalent of forward slash clear
00:14:54is literally just starting a new chat, right?
00:14:59'Cause I pretty much just opened up a new session.
00:15:01So context is one little difference.
00:15:04Let's go ahead and give it a problem and see what it says.
00:15:07So I wanna create a web app
00:15:10that sort of does three things.
00:15:13Ideally you can do it all on the same page.
00:15:15On one hand, I want it to be able to look at AI news
00:15:18over the last 24 hours across the major web sources
00:15:22as well as stuff like YouTube or Twitter.
00:15:25And then I want it to consolidate it into a report.
00:15:29Number two, I want it to be able to take all that information
00:15:31that come up with potential content ideas for me.
00:15:33Like what would a title be?
00:15:34What would the general outline be?
00:15:36It can be just kind of like bullet point format
00:15:38as well as like a hook.
00:15:39And then lastly, I think of it at some sort of like scheduler,
00:15:42maybe like a mini Kanban board
00:15:44where I could then be like,
00:15:46okay, like let's take that idea you came up with
00:15:48and let's do it today.
00:15:49And next idea we can do tomorrow, something like that.
00:15:52So let's kind of walk through that and plan it.
00:15:54And so now we'll go through its plan mode.
00:15:55And the plan mode is basically the exact same as Cloud Code.
00:15:57It's gonna think about it.
00:15:58It's gonna ask you a series of questions.
00:16:01I've noticed with 5.5 Pro on Extra High,
00:16:05it tends to ask quite a few questions,
00:16:08although maybe it was just the projects I was working on.
00:16:10And in terms of speed,
00:16:13it's a little,
00:16:15I think it's probably a little bit slower than Opus.
00:16:18Although, you know, I don't have like hard numbers on that.
00:16:21It's just kind of what the vibes have been.
00:16:22At the same time,
00:16:23if I'm more just doing like a back and forth chat,
00:16:255.5 feels a lot snappier than Opus.
00:16:28So if it's doing a bunch of tool calls, a little bit slower,
00:16:31it's just chatting rather fast.
00:16:33So here's the plan Codex came up with.
00:16:35Build a greenfield single user local web app
00:16:38with Next.js, TypeScript and SQLite.
00:16:40The app will have one main dashboard for three flows,
00:16:43click the last 24 hours of AI signal,
00:16:45generate a concise report plus YouTube video ideas
00:16:48and schedule selected ideas on a mini Kanban board.
00:16:50So no paid APIs, created RSS feeds
00:16:54and local Olama generation.
00:16:55So easy way to get Clod Code involved
00:16:58is we're just gonna copy this, paste it into Clod Code,
00:17:00see if it has any other ideas or any blind spots.
00:17:04So I said, Codex came up with this plan for our app.
00:17:06What do you think what's missing?
00:17:08So Clod Code came back.
00:17:09So the plan's solid, but has some gaps,
00:17:12some soft concerns as well as some nitpicking.
00:17:14So what I'm gonna do, come back into Codex,
00:17:17paste that in there and just say,
00:17:18what do you think of this?
00:17:22And submit.
00:17:25Now, we could continue to have this back and forth forever.
00:17:30And for the sake of time, we'll stop here.
00:17:32But the idea is we now have a second set of eyes
00:17:35on what the heck it is AI is coming up with as a plan.
00:17:38And I think this is super important,
00:17:40especially if you're someone who don't,
00:17:41who doesn't come from a technical background, right?
00:17:43Because the problem is you go to AI, you have an idea,
00:17:47it gives you a plan.
00:17:48If you have no idea what right is supposed to look like,
00:17:51you're kind of just like, sick dude, thumbs up, go for it.
00:17:55And it could be missing a whole lot.
00:17:57Now we try to get around that
00:17:58by just like asking more questions, being more thorough,
00:18:01asking things like, what am I not thinking about?
00:18:03What would an expert ask?
00:18:05But what if we do all that and we have Clod Code take a look?
00:18:10And this also implies that the inverse,
00:18:11having Clod Code build it and bring it into codec.
00:18:13So if nothing else, it should kind of just give you
00:18:16that warm and fuzzy feeling inside that like,
00:18:17all right, like this does make sense.
00:18:20Multiple AI experts are telling me it's a solid plan.
00:18:24And codecs even says,
00:18:25I agree with the critique's main diagnosis.
00:18:26The original plan would reliably summarize what happened,
00:18:29but the product you actually describe
00:18:30needs what is worth making a video about today.
00:18:33That requires trend signals, ranking,
00:18:35and competitor saturation checks, not just ingestion.
00:18:38So it is making some changes to the plan
00:18:40because of what Clod Code came back with.
00:18:42And obviously this sort of dual model approach
00:18:44is something you can apply to any part of your project.
00:18:47And so here's a new plan with the updates.
00:18:49And like I said, for time,
00:18:50we're just going to execute it after this first pass.
00:18:5323 minutes, 21 seconds.
00:18:54And it says it has implemented the full local AI trend planner.
00:18:58What's in place, goes through it, key files,
00:19:00verification passed, it created a read me.
00:19:04So I can click on the read me and you can kind of see this,
00:19:06like in app sort of thing here.
00:19:08So you can see what it actually wrote up
00:19:10and then it shows all the different files.
00:19:12So if I click on all the files,
00:19:15it will quickly show sort of like what it created.
00:19:18Obviously it hasn't deleted anything
00:19:19since it's its first pass, but it would show that as well.
00:19:22If I click on any of these files,
00:19:24I can also show it in review.
00:19:26Once it's inside review, there is a like diff viewer.
00:19:29I can do some get actions here and I just,
00:19:33it's really easy to see what it's actually executed.
00:19:36Again, I love the terminal.
00:19:37You probably love the terminal,
00:19:38but the terminal does have some limitations
00:19:40when it comes to the convenience factor
00:19:42of seeing everything all in one place.
00:19:44So before we even have Claude code take a look,
00:19:45let's say spin up the dev server for me
00:19:49and open it up in the sidebar browser.
00:19:54I think I've genuinely gotten like so bad at typing
00:19:57since I've been using AI so much
00:20:00and just like voice dictation over the last year.
00:20:02I actually have completely lost the ability
00:20:04to like type like a single sentence without errors.
00:20:07So what it's gonna do is it's going to spin up the dev server
00:20:11and it's gonna show us the actual webpage here
00:20:14in the in-app browser, which is nice.
00:20:16And so now we can see the webpage in the browser.
00:20:18I'll move over here so it's a little easier for you to see.
00:20:21So here's what it created.
00:20:23We have the AI trend planner.
00:20:26We can run a scan.
00:20:27We can ingest stuff, report ideas.
00:20:29And overall, I think actually for the first pass
00:20:32kind of went with like this, I think it's like a sort
00:20:35of brutalist type approach.
00:20:37I think it looks pretty good.
00:20:39I mean, I kind of like it, I don't know.
00:20:40Everything's AI slop these days, right?
00:20:43But many Kanban, can I drag these?
00:20:46No, can't drag those.
00:20:48Would like to be able to do that.
00:20:50Signal feeds, sources, okay.
00:20:55On the surface, I don't know if any of that actually works,
00:20:58but it looks decent at the beginning.
00:21:02So let's see what happens if I do run full scan,
00:21:05fetching sources.
00:21:08And while it's doing this, what should we do?
00:21:11Well, we should just have Cloud Code take a look
00:21:12at its work.
00:21:13Hey, can you take a look at what codecs built
00:21:17on its first pass for our application?
00:21:21Any glaring weaknesses, anything you would change
00:21:25is from my understanding, everything should actually be wired
00:21:28up properly and working, but do you see any issues
00:21:31that somehow slip through the cracks?
00:21:34Well, it's saying Ollama didn't even work.
00:21:36So we probably have to figure out something with Ollama
00:21:38on that end, but also now ago.
00:21:42Overall looks pretty cool.
00:21:42And like obviously we can also go onto this
00:21:44on our local browser.
00:21:46One of the things we can do here and kind of reminiscent
00:21:48of things like cloud design is you can like annotate things
00:21:52or leave comments.
00:21:53So I could highlight this, leave a comment
00:21:58and say something like, can we make this italic, italicized?
00:22:03And that then puts it in a annotation right here
00:22:10and I can add additional follow-up changes
00:22:13or I could just send that right now.
00:22:15And then you kind of have the ability
00:22:17to annotate anything you want.
00:22:20You can also quickly take a screenshot.
00:22:22I do that and then I could paste it in there.
00:22:24So it makes also sort of front-end design reviews
00:22:28and iterations like that a lot easier.
00:22:30And hey, there, we now have the italics.
00:22:33Oh, and Codex did tell me at the beginning,
00:22:35but I was lazy and didn't even read it,
00:22:36was hey, to use the local AI generation, run Ollama poll,
00:22:40Ollama 3.18 or set Ollama model to a model you have.
00:22:43I have a few models on my computer.
00:22:45So we'll just say, hey, can you just find it?
00:22:47Hey, so I'm pretty sure I have a couple Ollama models
00:22:51already on my machine.
00:22:52Can you take a look at which ones those are
00:22:55and then properly wire them up?
00:22:57Also, let's check to see if these links actually work.
00:23:00So it says AI Slop is killing online communities
00:23:03from Y Combinator.
00:23:05So let's copy that.
00:23:06Yeah, no, it's a real thing.
00:23:08Very cool.
00:23:09So down here, Claude came back with its review.
00:23:12So it said it found several real bugs,
00:23:15came back with 20 new bugs.
00:23:19And then it says, bottom line, wiring is correct.
00:23:22The pipeline flows end-to-end, bugs that will surface fast,
00:23:27and then has like some timestamp issues,
00:23:30competitor self-warning and some other stuff it brought up.
00:23:32So, you know, pretty good.
00:23:34I mean, 20 things.
00:23:36I also wonder if telling Claude code, like Codex wrote this,
00:23:39if it becomes a little extra adversarial,
00:23:42which I would love.
00:23:43Probably can actually like make that a skill.
00:23:45Considering there is a skill for the Codex plugin
00:23:48inside of Claude code, which is literally called
00:23:50Adversarial Review.
00:23:51So Codex went ahead and realized I have GLM 4.7 flash
00:23:55on my machine.
00:23:56It wired it up and ran the trend report again.
00:23:59So you can see that here.
00:24:00So this is an actual legit report
00:24:02based on everything it grabbed.
00:24:04So I can look at these video ideas.
00:24:05So why AI Slop is killing online communities
00:24:07if I hit tomorrow.
00:24:09Let's see if it actually puts it down there.
00:24:15Doesn't look like it's kind of spazzing out.
00:24:18So let's have Claude code to fix that.
00:24:21Hey, so when I click on one of the video ideas,
00:24:24for example, the why AI Slop is killing online communities.
00:24:28If I click on tomorrow, I kind of just get a loading bar
00:24:32and nothing actually happens.
00:24:33Can we fix that?
00:24:35And also secondly, right now on the Kanban board,
00:24:37I'm not able to actually move things around on the board.
00:24:41Once they're in a specific slot, like inbox,
00:24:43I don't have the ability to move them to today or tomorrow,
00:24:45whatever.
00:24:46And so I think this is how you would sort of do this
00:24:48back and forth.
00:24:50Like you can see here,
00:24:50you can have both of them kind of work on something
00:24:52at the same time.
00:24:53You can have something go to Claude code
00:24:55if you feel like codecs didn't hack it.
00:24:57And then I think you can have them sort of like make up
00:24:59for certain weaknesses with one another.
00:25:01I mean, usually I would say Claude code
00:25:03tends to do a little better on the front end design
00:25:05side of things and design in general than codecs.
00:25:08But to be honest, I kind of like how it came out
00:25:11on the first pass.
00:25:12So, you know, I could do a whole demo showing you,
00:25:15hey, Claude, go do, you know, work on the front end design.
00:25:17And there's probably a little bit we could work on here,
00:25:19but I think it does pretty good.
00:25:21And what I really wanted you to see from this demo
00:25:23was just like how easy it is to set this up.
00:25:26And the fact that it saw things like Claude code,
00:25:29it saw 20 potential bugs that codecs didn't pick up on,
00:25:34on its first pass.
00:25:35And I think the sort of compound interest of having them
00:25:38check each other over and over and over again,
00:25:41throughout a project kind of pays for itself over time
00:25:45because at the beginning, like actually we were using
00:25:47a bunch of tokens to do this, but in the long run,
00:25:49if we're able to grab these bugs early,
00:25:52pick out these weak points right away,
00:25:54I think in the aggregate, you actually save tokens.
00:25:57And obviously we can always open this up
00:25:59in our normal browser as well.
00:26:01It looks like it was able to fix the actual navigation
00:26:06on the Kanban board.
00:26:07Now, the last thing I want to talk about very quickly
00:26:09was sort of the bigger idea of being tool agnostic,
00:26:12because I think a lot of people,
00:26:14they think that, oh, like I am tool agnostic.
00:26:16Like I'll switch to the best tool tomorrow
00:26:18if there's something better than Opus,
00:26:19or I will switch to the other best tool
00:26:21if there's something better than GPT 5.5.
00:26:23People think that, and in reality,
00:26:25they don't actually do that.
00:26:26In reality, what happens is you get used to one tool,
00:26:29you get ingrained in the habit of using it.
00:26:31And then for a lot of people,
00:26:33you become like weirdly tribal about it,
00:26:35where it's like, no, like I'm an anthropic guy,
00:26:37I'm a collage code guy, I hate open AI,
00:26:40I hate Sam Altman or the complete reverse,
00:26:43as if like they're a sports team.
00:26:46You shouldn't care.
00:26:48You really shouldn't care.
00:26:49You should be very willing to switch all the time.
00:26:51And it's really easy to switch
00:26:52if you consistently use all of them and use them in tandem,
00:26:56because I think we're getting to the point,
00:26:58I think it's only going to get worse where it's like,
00:27:00which model is best isn't so obvious,
00:27:03because, hey, half of us don't even buy
00:27:06what they're selling in terms of the benchmarks
00:27:08and B, like they're all kind of converging
00:27:09to be like really, really good.
00:27:11And the better they get,
00:27:13the more they're kind of blowing past
00:27:15what the average person is doing.
00:27:17The average project that 99% of people are doing
00:27:19can be done by the models that exist today.
00:27:21So what are we going to do
00:27:22with the models that exist five years from now?
00:27:25So I feel like you're kind of getting further ahead
00:27:29in the long run if you pit them against one another,
00:27:31instead of being like, I'm a cloud code guy,
00:27:33or I'm a codex guy.
00:27:34And luckily for us, they haven't created
00:27:36these like walled gardens
00:27:37where I can interact with both simultaneously.
00:27:39If anything, they've made it really easy
00:27:40to interact with them,
00:27:42like codecs creating the cloud code plugin
00:27:44and the ability to like bring over skill files
00:27:46and that sort of thing.
00:27:47So I think we're kind of in a great age for AI
00:27:51as much as people kind of like to be doomers about it
00:27:53and say, oh, like the prices are increasing.
00:27:54I think in reality, we're in a great spot
00:27:56and it's only getting better
00:27:57and you can make it better for yourself
00:27:59if you use all the tools available.
00:28:02So that's where I'm going to leave you guys for today.
00:28:03I hope you were able to get something out of this.
00:28:05As always, let me know what you thought.
00:28:07Make sure to check out Chase AI+
00:28:08if you want to get your hands on my cloud code
00:28:10and codecs masterclass.
00:28:12And besides that, I'll see you around.