How to Get Your Customers to Stay FOREVER

AAlex Hormozi
창업/스타트업마케팅/광고경영/리더십

Transcript

00:00:0022,265,736 total users on Skool as of today and to get that big we had to know how to retain users
00:00:11and one of the biggest places we learned this from is the communities on the platform itself
00:00:15and so in this video I'm going to break down what we've learned so far that you can use to retain
00:00:20your customers longer in any recurring revenue business and this is a special shout out to Skool
00:00:25and Sam I'm taking all the learnings that he put into Skool News and I'm trying to make them public
00:00:29because I think they're awesome so number one is think of churn like a leaky bug did and then
00:00:34diagnose what's actually happening so your MRR meaning your monthly recurring revenue grows when
00:00:39new members are greater than churn members so for example if you sell five people and you lose four
00:00:46your MRR will grow if you sell five new members and five churn your growth will be flat you begin
00:00:53declining when you have fewer new people than people who leave and so tactically what you want to do is
00:00:59track those two numbers on a monthly basis joins versus cancels and then force yourself to label
00:01:04the businesses growing flat or declining based on that that's thing one thing two you want to use
00:01:11retention benchmarks and so this way you can know if you're good and so I'll just give you the Skool
00:01:16platform averages now to be clear this isn't churn for like an insurance premium or an alarm system
00:01:23but if you sell anything that is I would say a traditional you know a consumer service that's not
00:01:28like a home service but just like a weight loss service or anything that you'd help somebody
00:01:32or remote service anything that's like an online service these metrics will probably be much more
00:01:38correlated to what you're at and so the platform average across Skool is 80% monthly retention so
00:01:44said differently is 20% churn so 80% say 20% that's the platform average now the best groups have less
00:01:51than 10% churn aka 90% retention month over month the not good groups have less than 70% retention
00:01:58aka 30% or higher and so tactically if less than seven out of ten people want to stay on a monthly
00:02:03basis you probably need to work on your retention more than anything else it'll be the highest ROI
00:02:08lever now to put this in context if you take your turn from 20% to 10% or said differently you take
00:02:14your retention from 80 to 90 you didn't just get a 10 or 12 boost you got a double in the LTV per
00:02:22customer meaning customers stay twice as long when you make that change and so one of the big things
00:02:26that people get confused about these small numbers is that the smaller the number the bigger the
00:02:30change by percentages when you make these small tweaks and to be clear this is all monthly in
00:02:36comparison to others not in comparison to have like a sellable business or anything like that
00:02:41real quick i'm going to show you the exact 10 stage roadmap from zero to 100 million plus that less than
00:02:47one percent of companies finish i've now done multiple times and so i can say with a lot of
00:02:50confidence that these are the stages as headcount increases that you need to get through and i broke
00:02:56each of these down by eight different functions of the business what the constraint feels like like
00:03:00what are the symptoms of it when you're going through it and then what steps we actually took
00:03:03to graduate and we've done this across software physical products service businesses brick and
00:03:09mortar all of this and it works and it's my gift to you it's absolutely free and so the link's in
00:03:14the description but you just go acquisition.com roadmap just enter your info and it'll spit it
00:03:18right back to you all free so number three is the biggest rule is that churn drops dramatically with
00:03:25time all right so this is like this is a very cool inference that that sam shared with me that i
00:03:30thought was really really interesting so it it's very easy to think okay my average churn is call
00:03:36it ten percent a month but when you actually look at cohorts of churn meaning people who are at their
00:03:41sixth month versus people are the second month versus third month etc the averages across platform
00:03:46are also very different by month and so for example month one to three are the highest churn so they're
00:03:5320 plus during these months now if you keep someone 90 days which seems to be the first kind of big
00:03:58churn drop-off point it drops to around 10 or less and you're like huh that's kind of interesting
00:04:03basically drops in half if you get people to day 90 now by month six so another 90 days after that
00:04:10churn gets extremely low so it goes from like 10 percent to two percent all right so a 5x decrease
00:04:16or a 5x increase in ltv depending on how you want to see it and so the implications of this are huge
00:04:22because a lot of people will obsess myself included about like how do i get my my monthly turn down you
00:04:26know over and over again an easier way to think about decreasing your turn is not how do i make
00:04:30this number go down but how do i get someone to stay past day 90 how do i get these people to stay
00:04:34past month six because those become much more tactical in terms of like this is what i can do
00:04:39now to be clear if your community your recurring revenue thing is less than 90 days old then your
00:04:42turn is always going to be inflated because you haven't even gotten those customers who've made
00:04:46it past that point that would over time decrease your monthly turn if it's less than six months old
00:04:51it's the same thing just a little bit less and so to be clear don't overhaul your entire business
00:04:56because your month one churn sucks that's normal for it to be higher than the other months unless
00:05:02basically everyone's leaving in which case yes you should go fix that all right so that's number three
00:05:06and i think that one's like really really big and i want to like hit on that like i would say if you
00:05:11had to focus on three tactics have a very specific strategy for getting people past the first month
00:05:16because that's the biggest month of churn so that's going to come from activation onboarding expectation
00:05:21setting selling the right promises on the front end showing up every day making sure that you're
00:05:27providing content in that in that environment day 90 is probably have to deliver some sort of
00:05:32outcome some sort of change in behavior for them month six it's usually them connecting with other
00:05:37people within that community all right and so this is kind of as these things develop now number four
00:05:42ask people why they cancelled and then look for the patterns so i would say earlier in my career
00:05:47i would just like when someone says oh it cost you much i would just ignore them i'd be like ah they
00:05:51just don't understand the value but over time i've learned to appreciate that like i'll tell
00:05:54you a cool little thing sam has the head of customer support sits right next to him in the
00:06:02whole office and the reason for that is because he wanted a very tight feedback loop between the
00:06:06problems that customers are experiencing the reasons they're canceling and the things that are getting
00:06:10built and that's why school is such a strong platform is so good and so tactically message
00:06:16people who are canceling and say hey why are you canceling and don't knee-jerk you know on one
00:06:20response to be clear i'll be like oh this one person canceled like look for patterns collect
00:06:23enough feedback to see them and so tactically you can create a simple dm script and then you can tag
00:06:30the reason that people have in an excel sheet so it could be like price overwhelmed not using it's
00:06:35missing a feature it's not what i expected and you can look at that and for every 20 cancels or so
00:06:40review the top one or two reasons and then fix those really tactical advice please do this number
00:06:46five ask your best members why they stayed so we're asking the bad people why they leave we're
00:06:51asking the good people why they stay and then do more of that so identify the longest tenured people
00:06:56aka the most engaged members and then ask them like what made you stay what's the number one value
00:07:01that you get here and so then tactically whatever shows up repeatedly becomes your kind of retention
00:07:06engine and so everything else after that is really optional i want to emphasize this point
00:07:11if you can only do one thing that gets people to stay why would you do five and this is a lesson
00:07:16that took me too long to learn because oftentimes we believe that in order to fix things we need to
00:07:21fix them through addition when oftentimes we need to fix them through subtraction and amelioration
00:07:25aka making it better rather than adding more stuff because if you were to simply fulfill the promise
00:07:31that you originally made they probably stay so if you think about how do i improve the quality of a
00:07:34product you make a promise and then you remove all friction associated with getting that thing and so
00:07:40the businesses the products and the services that win are the ones that simply make all the things
00:07:44that suck about achieving the good thing go away school fundamentally helps people get started
00:07:49online and so all we've done is try to optimize to make it as easy as humanly possible and that
00:07:54doesn't mean adding more features it means making everything in the background just vanish so it just
00:07:59works which leads me to number six price objections you don't want to guess you want a tier based on
00:08:05evidence so at school so us eating our own dog food we had a bunch of people canceling saying
00:08:10it's too expensive and so what we did is we created a lower tier while still keeping the higher tier
00:08:16available with some additional uh you know metrics and you know additional admins things that you know
00:08:21unique urls you know no no sidebars of competitor groups kind of advertising the same area we kept
00:08:27that for the high level people but the people who are lower level who are just kind of hobbyists
00:08:31are just getting started we created a 11 times cheaper tier from 99 to nine dollars right and so
00:08:38this was important for school because a lot of hobby groups are people getting started and maybe
00:08:45they're not necessarily making a ton of money they got to figure out a few months and the difference
00:08:48between a hundred dollars a month and you know nine dollars a month is pretty huge and so that allowed
00:08:53the people who were like still figuring it out to still be able to use the tool and stay and then
00:08:57ultimately be successful longer term now tactically if your ideal customers this is a very important
00:09:03point if your ideal customers say the price is the issue then you can add a lower tier or a standard
00:09:10plan if non-ideal people say it's too expensive just ignore it that means that the price is actually
00:09:15acting as a good filter right like if you if you're like i want a community for a million dollar plus
00:09:19business owners and people who are not a million dollars plus say this is expensive then it's like
00:09:23great bingo it's working all right um same thing with whoever your avatar is which leads to number
00:09:29seven overwhelm so let's talk about this the number one reason people churn outside of price
00:09:36is overwhelmed it is the churn driver and this is why doing less can often retain more and so the
00:09:42core idea behind this is like i don't have the time i can't keep up i can't utilize it and usually just
00:09:48means there's too much stuff so i want to break down a real world example of this outside of school
00:09:52that applied the same concept so planet fitness uh is a ten dollar a month you know gym subscription
00:09:58they have some upsells whatever and they were able to enter the market in a place that there's
00:10:02already tons of gyms there's only tons of health clubs etc but what they realized when they surveyed
00:10:05customers was that people joined health clubs they were paying 59 a month or whatever and they had
00:10:09basketball courts and racquet courts and cardio and pool and all this other stuff right and when
00:10:15they surveyed people the vast majority of people just used the cardio equipment and a little bit
00:10:20of weights and so they were like wait so these have these massively built out things but people
00:10:24are only using 10 or 15 of the facility and so what they did they said what if we just took out
00:10:28that 10 or 15 put it over here and then charged way less for it and by doing that they had a superior
00:10:33value proposition now here's what gets really interesting when you have five things that you
00:10:39pay for but you only use one you feel like you're only getting 20 of the value if for the same price
00:10:46you just offer that one thing people feel like they're getting a hundred percent of the value
00:10:50so someone is more likely to churn in this scenario because you added more stuff because now they feel
00:10:55like they're using not enough of it wild so us as business owners a lot of times we're thinking oh
00:11:00i'm gonna i'm gonna add this you know i'm gonna add all this extra stuff but the reality is all we did
00:11:04is we gave them more reason to cancel because they never used it and so we had a community on school
00:11:08where they found out about this they deleted content that they had and they took their turn
00:11:13from 30 percent month over month to five they had a 6x increase in ltv by simply having fewer things
00:11:20all right a simple version of this is and i'll give you a tactical uh i'll give you a couple tactics
00:11:26for this so you can make a little form and just simply ask your customers hey if i were to delete
00:11:31everything what one thing would you fight for and on the inverse if i were to keep everything and
00:11:36just remove only one feature which one thing would you not mind seeing go and then if you chart those
00:11:42on a graph what you'll find out is what the number one and number two most valuable things are often
00:11:46times it's really outsized and most of the time you just need to do those things and basically forget
00:11:51about everything else because one of the big things we have to remember is that people who are using
00:11:57your services are not full-time using your stuff they have lives and so we want to think about value
00:12:03per second not seconds of value and in the digital world that might mean just one post one call
00:12:08recording or just one single action that you need to take that's valuable for them that's it if
00:12:13someone just gets that every week from you they're in which leads to number eight design for the
00:12:18extremes have a busy path like the person who's just kind of like a dabbler dipping their toe in
00:12:23the water and also have kind of like the power user depth and so a busy member should be able to
00:12:29get value from a distance they should be able to keep up and not feel like they're left behind
00:12:34on the other hand a hardcore person should be able to go deep all day and so tactically make an
00:12:41explicit start here slash weekly cadence flow for the busy people while leaving optional kind of like
00:12:47side quests in depth for the kind of like heavy users or heavy yeah the heavy users nine move the
00:12:53ladder closer to the front so front load the thing that people love so we use snakes and ladders as a
00:13:01concept so you want to remove the snakes aka the friction the confusion the overwhelm and if there's
00:13:06a long ladder the thing that makes people stick put it in the onboarding so tactically if the
00:13:10calls are the stickiest thing or this specific service or this specific implementation or
00:13:15onboarding or activation the best call replay whatever it is the pin post put that sticky
00:13:21sticky thing up front and you want to pin this is now a school specific thing but it still works with
00:13:26any onboarding is you want to pin the fast one up front so new members hit that value ideally with
00:13:31in the first 24 hours and this works for any recurring business whether you're teaching someone
00:13:34how to sell teaching more work leads teaching them how to pickle pickle jars whatever like as long as
00:13:39you have a way to get people a win fast they will like you more ten show up daily and care so this
00:13:47is something we saw across all communities is that the owners who showed up in the community on a
00:13:52daily basis had significantly higher retention than the people who didn't big surprise now we've
00:13:59basically never seen this fail and so if a member feels like the owner isn't active or doesn't care
00:14:04they leave and so a tactile minimum would just be like put an alarm make it part of your daily
00:14:08routine and so on a small level you can clear notifications dms you know uh report whatever
00:14:14content or you know deal with content that people might have reported now this is talking about
00:14:18school but you can apply this to your own business which is like what am i doing every day to show up
00:14:22for my customers and can i make that a repeated action that i do that's high value and high
00:14:26leverage this also means like read the complaints every morning of customers who are dealing with
00:14:31issues because if you if you want to hide your head in the sand uh you will be well i guess your
00:14:37head will be in the sand that will suck because then you look in your ears and your nose and it's
00:14:40like you know how you're gonna live right so that's a tough life and so so you know encourage the good
00:14:46behavior that you that you have the people who follow what you want people leave nice reviews
00:14:51people leave nice testimonials you want to tell people and say good job on the other hand delete
00:14:56bad stuff and delete bad people i cannot tell you how powerful deleting cancer is like if they do it
00:15:02in your body you should do it in your community or membership which leads me to number 11 which is a
00:15:08weekly call and a recording and so live voice slash face deepens relationships and so recordings kind
00:15:15of just like let busy people keep up there's very often that there's like weekly podcasts that have
00:15:19tremendous retention it's just like it's just enough like and think about tv shows like obviously
00:15:24netflix created the binge culture but the vast majority of shows are like once a week it's enough
00:15:28that people can keep up with it and too many of these kind of like extra add-ons people kind of
00:15:34revert to that one thing and you want to make sure that the one thing they're consuming is the best
00:15:38one so if you're unsure what kind of communication cadence to stick with just default to like one big
00:15:43thing per week uh and then like a best of post very simple so it could be like weekly call and
00:15:49weekly post that's all you have to do very very simple within a community structure let's go number
00:15:5412 so you want to add an annual plan with a discount so the reason this works is that annual
00:16:00always has lower churn than monthly and it's because you only need to decide one time rather
00:16:04than 12 and so annual buyers churn less and even beyond the they can't cancel effect right so like
00:16:11because they can't cancel because they already paid is one element of that but the other element
00:16:15is just that like typically those people are also more committed they also got a lower rate
00:16:19so there's a lot of it they're also more qualified because they paid more upfront so there's a lot of
00:16:22and and so having that is valuable now a common practice here is 16 or 17 percent which you
00:16:28usually buy 10 get two all right so if you're not doing this within whatever service you sell
00:16:34have an annual component that you should implement like today like right now first thing you do after
00:16:38this announce it and expect a meaningful chunk of people to take it and what that does is it
00:16:42stabilizes retention 13 you want to build belonging via 101 relationships and 10 true regulars now this
00:16:49isn't a digital community but from a a business that has any kind of uh community that's involved
00:16:56real in person etc fostering one-on-one relationship which is thinking like what are
00:17:00the unique aspects of these people who are coming in and can i pair them with other people who are
00:17:04like them because if people find i think there's um leyla shared this out with me this is on the
00:17:09employee side but it totally transfers which is if an employee has a friend that they're friends with
00:17:14outside of work they stay five times longer at their job think about how wild that is just one
00:17:20friend outside of work or one person that they're like really good friends with and so like hack of
00:17:26hacks like get them to make one real friend now that's easier said than done but the nice thing
00:17:31that you should have hopefully everyone should have one thing in common which is that they're all
00:17:35uh patrons of your business so they always have that interest some way in common and so uh the
00:17:41fastest way to do this is also introduce some of the true regulars to the new members and i used to
00:17:45do this at my gyms like otherwise everyone just feels brand new they feel like in-group out-group
00:17:49like you don't want to have people feel like they're walking in on someone else's conversation
00:17:52so if somebody's new to a party right and you're holding a party and someone walks in what do you do
00:17:56oh this is john john meet tina meet you know meet jesse meet me trish uh you know john's really good
00:18:02x y and z trish is great john blah blah blah right and so it's just like just help them build rapport
00:18:06which building rapport just comes down to like what things do they have overlap over it that's all it
00:18:10is all right um but within the digital community so going back down to school you can anchor engagement
00:18:17in community with 10 regulars that's it you just need 10 regulars the the tactical piece of this
00:18:22is that identify the top 10 people these are your model citizens the best customers your best avatars
00:18:28dm them figure out their goals spotlight them meaning give them public kudos invite them to
00:18:33contribute not just like watch them do it and if you can again publicly recognize in any way possible
00:18:38it further reinforces the behavior and you want to introduce the new people to them aka matchmaking
00:18:44sometimes tactics can be very overwhelming uh but sometimes they're exactly what you need
00:18:48uh if you have a recurring revenue business don't expect to implement all the stuff at once
00:18:53just take one thing off the list do it add it in consistently and then once you get consistent
00:18:57with that one add another one off the list and so conquering churn or you know trying to have
00:19:02an alliteration for retention like mastering retention but i need an r something retention
00:19:08uh remastering retention um just comes down to doing a hundred small things consistently over a
00:19:16very long period of time and so most people think that growth looks like this when in fact growth
00:19:22really just looks like a flat retention curve and then what happens is it just keeps growing and so
00:19:26So I hope this helps.
00:19:27Keep crushing it.

Key Takeaway

Long-term business growth is achieved by mastering retention through a combination of early-stage activation, reducing member overwhelm via simplicity, and fostering genuine community connections.

Highlights

Churn should be treated like a "leaky bucket" where MRR grows only when new members exceed those leaving.

Retention rates follow a predictable curve, where churn drops by 5x (from 20% to 2% monthly) once a member stays past 180 days.

The primary driver of churn, outside of price, is member overwhelm, which can often be solved by subtracting features rather than adding them.

Price objections from ideal customers should be met with tiered pricing, while objections from non-ideal customers should be treated as a helpful filter.

Building community belonging through one-on-one relationships and a core group of 10 "regulars" dramatically increases long-term loyalty.

Owner presence and a consistent weekly cadence (like a single high-value call or post) are essential for maintaining high retention levels.

Offering an annual plan with a two-month discount stabilizes revenue because it reduces the number of "buying decisions" from twelve to one.

Timeline

Diagnosing Churn and Setting Benchmarks

The speaker introduces the concept of churn as a leaky bucket and explains how monthly recurring revenue (MRR) relies on new joins outpacing cancellations. He provides platform benchmarks from Skool, noting that 80% retention is average, while the best groups maintain over 90% retention. Improving retention from 80% to 90% is shown to double the lifetime value (LTV) of a customer because they stay twice as long. This section emphasizes that tracking joins versus cancels is the most tactical way to label a business as growing, flat, or declining. Understanding these small percentage tweaks is critical because they lead to outsized impacts on total revenue.

The 90-Day and 6-Month Retention Milestones

This section breaks down the timeline of churn, revealing that it drops dramatically the longer a customer stays. In the first three months, churn is typically at its highest, often exceeding 20%, but it drops to 10% after 90 days. By the six-month mark, churn can plummet to as low as 2%, representing a massive 5x increase in customer lifetime value. The speaker suggests focusing on specific strategies for each phase: activation and onboarding for the first month, delivering outcomes by day 90, and fostering peer connections by month six. Business owners are cautioned not to overhaul their entire model based on high month-one churn, as this initial volatility is statistically normal.

Learning from Cancellations and Successful Members

To improve a product, the speaker advises creating a tight feedback loop by asking both departing and staying members for their reasons. He shares a story about how Sam Ovens keeps the head of customer support close to his desk to ensure product development is informed by real user problems. Tactically, owners should use a DM script to categorize cancellation reasons like price, overwhelm, or missing features in an excel sheet. Conversely, interviewing long-tenured members reveals the "retention engine" or the core value that keeps people engaged. The speaker argues that making the original promise better is often more effective than adding new, unnecessary features.

Solving Price Objections and Member Overwhelm

Price and overwhelm are identified as the top two drivers of customer churn across most recurring revenue businesses. The speaker illustrates this with a Planet Fitness example, showing how removing unused amenities allowed them to offer a more valuable, lower-priced service. He suggests that if ideal customers complain about price, a lower-tier plan (like Skool's $9 tier) should be introduced to keep them in the ecosystem. To combat overwhelm, owners should ask members what one thing they would "fight for" if everything else was deleted and then focus exclusively on that. This section highlights the importance of "value per second" rather than simply providing a high volume of content that users don't have time to consume.

Designing for Extreme Users and Front-Loading Value

A successful community must accommodate both the "busy dabbler" and the "hardcore power user" through tiered engagement paths. The speaker introduces the "snakes and ladders" concept, where snakes represent friction and ladders represent the sticky features that drive retention. He recommends moving the most valuable "ladders" to the very front of the onboarding process so members experience a win within the first 24 hours. By pinning a "fast win" post or a high-impact recording, businesses can activate users before they lose interest. This design ensures that even a person with a very busy life can see the ROI of their subscription from a distance.

Daily Presence, Weekly Cadence, and Annual Plans

Owner activity is a non-negotiable factor for high retention, as members are much more likely to stay if they feel the leader cares and is present. The speaker suggests a minimum daily routine of clearing notifications and reading customer complaints to stay grounded in the user experience. Additionally, a steady weekly cadence—such as one live call and one "best of" post—prevents burnout while maintaining enough touchpoints to be valuable. To further stabilize the business, an annual plan should be offered at a discount (typically 10 months for the price of 12). This reduces churn because annual buyers are generally more committed and qualified than those paying month-to-month.

Fostering Belonging and the Power of 10 Regulars

The final strategy focuses on the psychological aspect of belonging and the impact of one-on-one relationships within a community. Statistics show that employees stay five times longer if they have a friend at work, and the same principle applies to customers in a membership site. The speaker advises identifying ten "model citizens" or regulars and empowering them to welcome new members through matchmaking and public recognition. By treating a digital community like a party where the host introduces guests to one another, owners can eliminate the "out-group" feeling that drives new people away. Mastering retention is presented as doing a hundred small things consistently over a long period to create a flat, sustainable growth curve.

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