00:00:00All right, what do you want to train?
00:00:01You want to do my training program?
00:00:03What is this?
00:00:03This is actually optimal training for muscle growth.
00:00:06It's just not for you.
00:00:07Right.
00:00:07And you can see, if you had any actual quality muscle--
00:00:10[LAUGHTER]
00:00:12Real-- OK.
00:00:14So this is like a dungeon.
00:00:15Can we revisit these?
00:00:17Well, you've got so many items of clothing on.
00:00:20These got an under--
00:00:20I bet they've got an under short lining in as well.
00:00:22Mine and Andy's relationship is predicated on taking
00:00:24the piss out of each other.
00:00:25Guys will understand.
00:00:26I fear that women may not fully--
00:00:28Anyway, you look horrible.
00:00:29What should we do?
00:00:30As close as you can.
00:00:31And ideally, put your head on my chest.
00:00:33Now, we're fine.
00:00:36We're going to be about 25 feet here.
00:00:38He's fine is the giveaway, man.
00:00:40Like, when you've been junked up and haven't done anything,
00:00:42this is the spot.
00:00:43So one leg out extended.
00:00:45Oh, OK.
00:00:46So like all this stuff, play.
00:00:48You don't want perfect symmetry.
00:00:50We're trying to move, put load, coordination,
00:00:53and trying to move fast.
00:00:55Most people hop like this for 60 seconds a day.
00:00:58You see Achilles tendon ruptures cut in half across the world.
00:01:01Hey, have you got your shorts on inside out?
00:01:12Yes.
00:01:13The answer's yes.
00:01:13No, the answer is not.
00:01:15Oh, you've rolled the tops over.
00:01:16I've rolled the tops over.
00:01:17Right, because you're so small.
00:01:20If you were to wear them--
00:01:22undo it again?
00:01:23Yeah, yeah.
00:01:23Wear them properly.
00:01:25OK, one, two-- wow, yeah, you really--
00:01:28No, no, we're not done.
00:01:31OK, there are these other people.
00:01:33Hip, across.
00:01:34Yes, sir, yep.
00:01:35So it's like hip, hip, or right--
00:01:37100%.
00:01:38Hip, punch.
00:01:39Yep.
00:01:40So we're obviously not maximizing any sort of muscle growth here.
00:01:43We're not really maximizing strength at all.
00:01:45But you will feel that big time, right?
00:01:50Yeah.
00:01:51And now you're-- your legs are working.
00:01:53And you can see, if you had any actual quality muscle,
00:01:57you would see some contraction activation there.
00:02:00If I had these on, you'd see.
00:02:03Next time, I'll take these off and you'll see.
00:02:05Well, with those shorts on, it'd be a fucking public crime,
00:02:07wouldn't it?
00:02:09You look like a teenage mutant ninja turtle.
00:02:12So this is the type of stuff we're going to like on the road.
00:02:14I don't know, like as like recovery day?
00:02:15Yeah.
00:02:16Like you're going to literally leave the gym feeling better.
00:02:19It has been quite a while since I did that.
00:02:21Yeah, right.
00:02:23And like this is also low that does nothing
00:02:25to recovery capacity.
00:02:26Like it's not taking anything out of your normal training.
00:02:29I know it's an Indian.
00:02:30Not going to sleep when he was.
00:02:31You're not going to be any more--
00:02:32For sure.
00:02:32-- fatigued tomorrow.
00:02:33No, no, no.
00:02:34In fact, again, probably the opposite.
00:02:35You're going to feel more like--
00:02:38Limber and loose.
00:02:39Totally.
00:02:39All right.
00:02:40Same again, three second isometric.
00:02:41Yes, sir.
00:02:42Thank you.
00:02:43Why the isometric, not eccentric?
00:02:50We can do that too if you want.
00:02:52If you're holding at the bottom though,
00:02:54you're going to get more range of motion progression here.
00:02:59So a big part of flexibility and range of motion
00:03:03is neural feedback.
00:03:05Where your body feels comfortable.
00:03:06Totally.
00:03:07You're desensitizing.
00:03:09So now you're going to wake up tomorrow probably
00:03:11a better baseline raise of motion.
00:03:12Because your body thinks it is safe for me
00:03:14to be in this position.
00:03:15Yeah, and you get a nice pump.
00:03:17People have more movement issues during movement than not.
00:03:22Can you say that a different way?
00:03:23Yeah, so you're going to have more technical breakdowns
00:03:25when you're moving and when you're staying still.
00:03:27OK, yeah.
00:03:28So you get in the bottom position,
00:03:29make sure you're dialed, and then take that to fatigue.
00:03:32So you don't have to worry too much about technical breakdowns
00:03:35and resetting.
00:03:36But now that we're a little more warmed up,
00:03:37we'll get a little bit deeper position.
00:03:39Yeah, that's significantly deeper.
00:03:41You're very limber, much more limber
00:03:42than I thought you would be.
00:03:44Well, you don't have all that muscle on you.
00:03:46Well, again, as we identified yesterday,
00:03:48you have been in a perma cut.
00:03:50What exactly do you mean by that?
00:03:52You appear to have lost all of the muscle that
00:03:55comes with being in a deficit.
00:03:56Yeah.
00:03:57But as yet, none of the fat.
00:03:59So I've somehow found some new pyrenates, some new methodology
00:04:03in which I could just go hypochloric
00:04:05for presumably decades.
00:04:07Yeah, maybe your entire life, actually.
00:04:09And all I do is lose muscle.
00:04:11You have managed to build impressively through, obviously,
00:04:14what is quite a complex and sophisticated training
00:04:16methodology, a really unimpressive physique.
00:04:20So the reality of it is, what you don't know
00:04:23is this is actually optimal training for muscle growth.
00:04:26OK.
00:04:27Yeah, so you hear--
00:04:28Just not for you.
00:04:29Right.
00:04:29No, you take an intellect like mine,
00:04:32and you actually put a physique like yours on top of it.
00:04:34It just like warps the reality around it.
00:04:39Yeah.
00:04:40Cross.
00:04:41Yep.
00:04:41Oh, yeah, that's true.
00:04:42And then rotate.
00:04:43[GROANING]
00:04:46I'll follow you.
00:04:49This is your third session today, your third workout?
00:04:53I mean, I just assume the grunting and fatigue is--
00:04:55you must have worked out multiple times today.
00:04:57No.
00:04:58No.
00:04:58I'm just really weak.
00:04:59I'm just wondering what happens at your live shows
00:05:02when people see you in person, they realize your entire physique
00:05:04is an AI filter.
00:05:06Hey, the one thing that I get is you're bigger in person
00:05:10than you look on camera.
00:05:11So the camera does take off 20 pounds,
00:05:13but unfortunately, 20 pounds of muscle.
00:05:15Is that right?
00:05:16Yeah, apparently, which for you, actually,
00:05:17must make you look invisible when you turn sideways.
00:05:20You are very limber.
00:05:21Yeah.
00:05:22Mobile.
00:05:22Uncomfortably.
00:05:23Is the case.
00:05:25Oh, wow.
00:05:25OK.
00:05:27I think I might have to drop this down again.
00:05:30That is some absurd range.
00:05:33Aren't you a full range of motion kind of guy?
00:05:39I am, but dude, I mean, not with that level of loading.
00:05:42Holy fuck.
00:05:43So let's squat, punch, and the idea is--
00:05:45Yeah, knee to floor or just wherever it's comfy.
00:05:47Yeah, yeah.
00:05:48That feels a little bit much for me.
00:05:49Yeah.
00:05:50And then like a two second ISO, yeah, there you go.
00:05:52So again, we're limiting load intentionally
00:05:57because we're putting a little bit off balance
00:05:59and putting a deeper range of motion.
00:06:01So because we don't have a ton of load,
00:06:03we're not going to really cause any damage.
00:06:05Ah.
00:06:09OK.
00:06:10Oh.
00:06:12That is not easy.
00:06:13I mean, I'm sure that looks easy, and it did look easy.
00:06:15Yeah.
00:06:16If I had done it first, it would have
00:06:18looked as difficult as it is.
00:06:20Yeah.
00:06:21It seems like there's been a big advent
00:06:25move of the evidence-based lifting community kind
00:06:29of going mainstream.
00:06:31Uh-huh.
00:06:33What do you make of that?
00:06:35Well, this was-- you could say this
00:06:38about the entire scientific community, right?
00:06:41Now obviously, I was the first scientist ever
00:06:43that tried to be in the public sphere
00:06:45had a single scientist ever in the world try to do it before me.
00:06:48So one could say and have said--
00:06:50I mean, I haven't said it, but some could say--
00:06:52Pioneer.
00:06:53I am the original Andrew Huberman.
00:06:54Yeah, you're kind of like the Michael Jackson of--
00:06:58Jordan, you meant?
00:06:58No, Michael Jackson.
00:07:00OK.
00:07:00No, I'm not.
00:07:02No, the honest answer is this is what we begged for, right?
00:07:07As an exercise science community, as a--
00:07:11People to listen to data and research.
00:07:13We wish scientists would be out there more.
00:07:16Well, then we got it, and people complained.
00:07:18So you're like, OK.
00:07:19What do you think the complaints are due to?
00:07:21Elitism?
00:07:22It's that, too, but it's also like--
00:07:25look, I've done it, where I'm like,
00:07:27I can't tell you how many things I kind of legitimately
00:07:31pioneered, and then other people are out there saying it
00:07:34with no credit.
00:07:36It's jealous.
00:07:36It doesn't matter.
00:07:37Like, if you're really there for it, what you should care about
00:07:40is how much people get better information, right?
00:07:43So when people get out there and spread your information,
00:07:46why are you bitching?
00:07:47But it's also same kind of hard being like,
00:07:50get that back knee down, to be like, man,
00:07:56I did something original.
00:07:58And didn't get the credit for it.
00:07:59You get the credit for it.
00:08:00Yeah, it's like someone's cover of your song,
00:08:01doing more plays than the first song.
00:08:04But then at the same time, you go back.
00:08:06The juxtaposition keeps happening, because you're like,
00:08:09yeah, but you just took that from somebody else, too.
00:08:11Or somebody else got you 90% aware,
00:08:13and you disconnected that dot.
00:08:14So then, are you crediting them every single-- you can, right?
00:08:19So I think the easiest thing for us is like--
00:08:22it used to be hard, earlier in my career,
00:08:25because I felt like I was doing things
00:08:28and then not getting credit for it.
00:08:31But then once you hit a critical mass of when you're like,
00:08:34you are pretty successful.
00:08:36Now it's way easier for me to go.
00:08:37Man, good, great.
00:08:39I mean, we've seen this with Joe, right?
00:08:43Somebody who is very high at the top of their field
00:08:51is able to be very giving.
00:08:53100%.
00:08:54And Schultz first said this to me.
00:08:57He said--
00:08:58Who?
00:08:59Andrew Schultz, comedian guy.
00:09:00Yeah, yeah.
00:09:01He said, we have a very sort of benevolent guy
00:09:06at the top of the tree.
00:09:07Yeah.
00:09:08And it didn't have to be that way.
00:09:09No.
00:09:10For all of the things that people--
00:09:12problems that people have got with Rogan--
00:09:16interviews, journalistic integrity, whatever.
00:09:20Or credentials, journalistic credentials.
00:09:22Sure.
00:09:24He is so not the asshole that we could have got.
00:09:29There's infinity circles of hell deeper
00:09:33than it could have been, somebody who's petty, backbiting,
00:09:38like gamesmanship.
00:09:41Yeah.
00:09:42We're really fortunate.
00:09:42Whatever version of the simulation
00:09:44that we looked out at, the guy that launched this industry
00:09:50is a genuinely good person.
00:09:52Fuck.
00:09:54It is not that way in most industries.
00:09:55He's a classic example, right?
00:09:58Like, you and I are biased.
00:10:00Because he personally did probably
00:10:04like uncountable amounts of our individual successes
00:10:08are because of Joe.
00:10:08Correct.
00:10:09Right.
00:10:10Like him having me on eight years ago.
00:10:12Spinny spinny.
00:10:13Yeah.
00:10:14You, like whatever, right?
00:10:15Yep.
00:10:16Neither one of us would be here without Joe.
00:10:18Yep.
00:10:18So we're biased.
00:10:19But at the same time, you have to judge people.
00:10:23You have to judge sciences.
00:10:24You have to judge fields by the totality.
00:10:27And it's really hard to look at a guy like that
00:10:29and say, he's an untrustworthy human being.
00:10:33Why?
00:10:33Because people go on arcs, right?
00:10:36So sure, maybe he's way off about something right now.
00:10:38Way on something right now.
00:10:40Was off on something in the past.
00:10:41Just look at the arc.
00:10:43He's very obviously on aggregate, trying to do good things.
00:10:49So yeah, you're a human.
00:10:50There will be some bad decisions and bad things, like all of us.
00:10:55When you put that kind of information out that frequently,
00:10:58or that many years, it's an arc.
00:11:00It's a 10 or 12 or 15-year arc.
00:11:03And I have a hard time looking at his bodywork and going--
00:11:06Bad guy.
00:11:06He's the bad guy.
00:11:08Bad, wrong, sure.
00:11:09Said all the things.
00:11:112,300 now?
00:11:14I was on like 998.
00:11:17Fuck.
00:11:18And I look back and I'm like, oh, it was just a couple years ago.
00:11:20And I'm like, he's on 1,000 more podcasts since then.
00:11:22Right.
00:11:23It's wild.
00:11:24Yeah.
00:11:25So yeah, he's tough, right?
00:11:26Like, when you look at fields in general--
00:11:29here, can you get the baby weights out of the way, please?
00:11:31Yeah, and I'll lift them with my pinky.
00:11:33Yeah, right where I'm going to step on them and turn a kiwi.
00:11:34That's OK.
00:11:35All right.
00:11:36Yeah.
00:11:36You know how you can tell someone's in the gym like never?
00:11:39And they put weights right in the middle of where someone else
00:11:41is going.
00:11:41And they wear that outfit?
00:11:43Your wife's go-to-bed socks to train in.
00:11:46Well--
00:11:47Unbelievable.
00:11:48So anyway, the point I was really trying to make--
00:11:51you sit here and have demands and wishes of fields.
00:11:55Yep.
00:11:56And we say, like, how many times have you
00:12:00heard people say things?
00:12:02These fucking influencers.
00:12:05I wish we had teachers and doctors and scientists
00:12:08who were famous people.
00:12:10And now you got it.
00:12:11Yeah.
00:12:11And you're still not happy, because it's
00:12:12the wrong scientists.
00:12:13You're supposed to be rejuvenative.
00:12:19I thought this was a hang.
00:12:20You know, when you invited me to do this, you're like, hey,
00:12:25we won't actually train with this and make it on camera
00:12:27like we are training.
00:12:28Yeah.
00:12:28Let me ask you.
00:12:29Yes.
00:12:30Is this the first time you've actually
00:12:31ever exercised in one of these exercise vlogs?
00:12:33Yeah.
00:12:34Yeah.
00:12:35Trained with Israel a couple of times.
00:12:36He trains hard.
00:12:38Trained with my--
00:12:39Mike, did you tell he trains hard?
00:12:40Yeah.
00:12:41OK, maybe I'm just weak.
00:12:42That's-- I'm acceptable-- it's an acceptable reason
00:12:45that I might just be weak.
00:12:46What are we doing now?
00:12:50Can it be-- are we doing arms yet?
00:12:53Yeah, yeah.
00:12:53We actually are going to do arms.
00:12:54You're going to--
00:12:55If I'm doing arms in a fucking lunge position,
00:12:57I'm going to kill you.
00:12:58I just want to do a fucking bicep.
00:12:59Oh my god, TRX rows.
00:13:01So we're going to row to a face pull and then back.
00:13:05Yeah, so we're doing arms.
00:13:06What is this?
00:13:08This is to keep your-- remember that poor shoulder
00:13:10mobility showed me earlier?
00:13:13We're going to get that thing fixed up.
00:13:14Press to your face, pull your face straight up,
00:13:18and then collapse back down.
00:13:20Whoa.
00:13:20Let's try to control it, though.
00:13:23And then go a little more of an open angle on the press-up.
00:13:26So yeah, and then you can bring back down.
00:13:30This is rhomboids, lower traps, and almost no arms.
00:13:34Yeah.
00:13:37You lied to me.
00:13:39And the worst thing is, as a person
00:13:41who's been training for 17 years, I believed you.
00:13:47I looked at you and thought, yeah, that might work some arms.
00:13:50Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:52That was plausible.
00:13:53This is like a physiological psy-op.
00:13:57We did this series on the show for 20, 30 episodes
00:14:02over many, many, many years.
00:14:04It's called Life Hacks.
00:14:05Life Hacks?
00:14:06Life Hacks.
00:14:07It would be--
00:14:07Like a segment for every episode?
00:14:09No, it was an entire episode where we did a round table,
00:14:11me and two friends.
00:14:12And we would all come prepared, and we
00:14:15would have maybe between five and 10 things each.
00:14:17And it would be, here's a new amazing toasted sandwich maker.
00:14:21Here's a meditation app.
00:14:23Here's a song that I've started listening to.
00:14:26Like, just stuff, stuff, stuff, stuff.
00:14:27You're young guys nerding out about stuff.
00:14:29And that was a big thing for a long time on the show.
00:14:32So one of the common questions I used to get
00:14:34was, what's the number one life hack from all of the episodes
00:14:36that you ever did?
00:14:37Sleep with your phone outside of your bedroom is an instant 10%
00:14:41increase in quality of life.
00:14:43There's never a single person who's actually done it.
00:14:46They didn't have remarkable results.
00:14:47It just doesn't happen.
00:14:48It's wild.
00:14:49Yeah.
00:14:50It's wild.
00:14:50Sleep with your phone outside of your bedroom, people.
00:14:52Come on.
00:14:52100%.
00:14:53What-- why'd you stop doing it?
00:14:55I moved to America, and the boys that I did it with,
00:14:57it felt kind of sacred between me and them.
00:14:59Oh, cool.
00:15:00I do it--
00:15:00It's like the band breaks up, and you're like,
00:15:02we're not playing anymore.
00:15:02We're not performing that song anymore.
00:15:04Yeah.
00:15:05We do it every year at Christmas.
00:15:07So we go back and catch up when I'm usually back in the UK.
00:15:10And I'll do it with the boys.
00:15:11And doing it every three months was kind of interesting.
00:15:15But doing it every year is really interesting.
00:15:17Sure.
00:15:17The last 12 months, like, what's the good shit?
00:15:19So-- and I've picked up stuff that I've kept on
00:15:21with, like, Opal screen time app.
00:15:24I picked that up in a Christmas episode two years ago.
00:15:28Like, a good while ago, Dean was filming.
00:15:30And I still use that now.
00:15:33So much of the stuff that's a part of my life.
00:15:36The Manta eye mask that I love, which I think is great.
00:15:39So fast.
00:15:40Very expensive.
00:15:40So expensive.
00:15:42But-- on this one.
00:15:44Triple click on the lock button on your phone.
00:15:45To turn it to red.
00:15:47Yeah.
00:15:47Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:48Yeah, the accessibility mode thing.
00:15:49For sure, sure, yeah.
00:15:52Yeah.
00:15:54Do you think, if you turned around right now
00:15:57and went back into promoting and DJ's knowing all the tools
00:16:00and stuff you have now, I'll ask you today.
00:16:02How much more sustainable would it be?
00:16:05It's still not going to be what it is, because, like,
00:16:08how much more?
00:16:09Or is it tank deal?
00:16:09Really, the big mover here is getting
00:16:15in at 3 in the morning.
00:16:16Yeah, yeah.
00:16:17It's just so-- and I'm 37 now.
00:16:19So, fuck, it is--
00:16:23it was tough when I was 24.
00:16:25Yeah.
00:16:25And there was a period toward the end of my club promoting
00:16:31career where I'd leave the front door of the nightclub
00:16:35after I'd set everything up.
00:16:36And we had a big team of people that
00:16:37would go and make sure everything was operating.
00:16:39And I'd go back into my car across the street
00:16:42and watch Alain de Botton School of Life videos on, like,
00:16:47Nietzsche or fucking--
00:16:48Yeah, it just wasn't enough.
00:16:50--Emerson or whatever.
00:16:51I just-- I wasn't in anymore.
00:16:52It wasn't there.
00:16:52No.
00:16:53Yeah.
00:16:53And I loved it, and I was really proud of what I'd built.
00:16:56But, yeah, it was just time for me to let it go.
00:17:00And it took a good bit of conviction for me to be like,
00:17:04OK, I'm going to talk to people on the internet for a job.
00:17:07Fuck.
00:17:07All right, let's go for this.
00:17:09Let's do it.
00:17:09And it turned out all right.
00:17:11Before you started podcasting, were your interests so well
00:17:17versed as they are now?
00:17:18Or were you myopic?
00:17:19This is something that came out of--
00:17:21Yeah, very, very singular-minded.
00:17:25So you didn't even know this was there.
00:17:27I knew the curiosity was there, but I didn't know it was broad.
00:17:30So there was a period--
00:17:32I remember in second year of uni, a couple of weeks
00:17:37distinctly where I remember not going on nights out
00:17:39with the guys, because I wanted to stay in and read
00:17:41bodybuilding.com forums.
00:17:43Oh, yeah.
00:17:43And I just wanted to learn stuff, and there was stories.
00:17:46And I was reading Juju Mufu's blog when I was like 16,
00:17:50and he had this blog post called "Water,
00:17:53The Preferred Drink of Hardcore People."
00:17:56And it was him talking about how he weaned himself off of soda
00:17:59as a late teenager.
00:18:01I was 16 reading that stuff.
00:18:02I was interested, but I didn't understand, oh, you're
00:18:05interested in everything, as opposed to, I want to get big,
00:18:08and then I'll get girls, or I want to, like, whatever.
00:18:11Build a business, I'm going to learn about business.
00:18:13It's like, oh, there's an infinite amount
00:18:15of interesting stuff out there.
00:18:16So yeah, it's strange.
00:18:17Taste is something you can build and curate and refine.
00:18:21So it can become broader, and it can become more distilled.
00:18:26And kind of interesting.
00:18:28When you interact with people, I know how I am.
00:18:34Is it the same in the sense that I
00:18:36can have an actually rewarding conversation with somebody
00:18:40if they have some passion in something
00:18:42that I know nothing about?
00:18:43Oh, yeah.
00:18:44But if not, like, I can't hide it on my face.
00:18:48And my wife is like constantly on me about it.
00:18:49She's like, look, like, you got to stop.
00:18:52You can't, like, that's my aunt or whatever.
00:18:54It's just like, I can't, I don't even--
00:18:57but if somebody has a deep passion, like, it doesn't matter.
00:19:00Warhammer 40K.
00:19:01I'm just like, oh, fucking, tell me more about Tulips.
00:19:04Like, I don't even care, right?
00:19:06You feel like you have the same experience?
00:19:09I think anybody that loves anything
00:19:13is going to be pretty interesting because it's just
00:19:15something that we have, the kind of fascination
00:19:17we have with anybody that's gone deep on whatever it is.
00:19:22Why?
00:19:26Is it the knowledge or is it the, like, I subtly and directly
00:19:30appreciate you because you've tried really hard?
00:19:32I think, yeah, maybe it's probably a signal.
00:19:36I mean, I could try and speak from an evolutionary psychology
00:19:38background that this person is demonstrating
00:19:41a reliable signal of authenticity,
00:19:44conscientiousness, industriousness, commitment,
00:19:46motivation, consistency, specific knowledge.
00:19:52But something, like, more, like, literally in terms
00:19:56of how you experience it.
00:19:57So that might be like the ultimate, but the proximate
00:19:59would be more like this person knows so much so deeply
00:20:05about this topic that weird, niche ideas I have that I've
00:20:10always wanted to know available to me.
00:20:13So I was talking to Johnny before I went on stage.
00:20:17My old housemate was the Newcastle Falcons rugby team
00:20:21junior academy physio.
00:20:22And then he became the senior academy physio.
00:20:24And then he became the seconds physio.
00:20:26And then he started working with the first team.
00:20:28And we would go on a half hour loop walk from our house
00:20:31around this field and then back.
00:20:33And I would ask him just, like, how was the game last night?
00:20:37And I would get, like, the most in-depth,
00:20:41like, well, such and such.
00:20:43Like, one of the fucking, like, wingers has injured this thing
00:20:49in his ankle.
00:20:50So we're currently trying to work on this.
00:20:51And I was, like, enthralled.
00:20:53Even though I didn't know half of the words that he was using.
00:20:55But it was just someone who's so passionate about what
00:20:57they're doing.
00:20:58He was fired up.
00:21:00And I just-- it was like an audio book.
00:21:01It was like a weekly physiotherapy audio book.
00:21:06Well, there's two ways to be a person
00:21:09that people want to talk to.
00:21:10You can be interesting or interested.
00:21:12And I think most people try to be interesting.
00:21:15It's way easier, actually, to be interested.
00:21:17It's way easier for me to be like, I want to know everything
00:21:20about what's happening with the world of sleep.
00:21:22And it is an opportunity for you to think about things
00:21:25in maybe a different way.
00:21:26But it actually excuses me from having to be interesting.
00:21:29I don't have to have anything going on.
00:21:31And also, I can be kind of lazy.
00:21:33It's a very selfish way to have a conversation.
00:21:35Like, hey, regale me.
00:21:38Tell me-- spin me a yarn.
00:21:40Tell me a tail.
00:21:41Tell me about the--
00:21:42Entertain me.
00:21:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:43Entertain me.
00:21:43Come on, peasant.
00:21:44Ah, entertain me.
00:21:45Dance, monkey, dance.
00:21:46Yeah.
00:21:47Are we done?
00:21:48What are we-- are we done?
00:21:49We're done.
00:21:49OK, can we go and lie by a pool?
00:21:51Yeah.
00:21:51OK.
00:21:52Ladies and gentlemen, that was Dr. Andy Galpin
00:21:55of Dr. Andy Galpin fame.
00:21:56Absoluterest.com?
00:22:02Yep.
00:22:03And Vitality Blueprint, my name, of course,
00:22:07general website, andygalpin.com.
00:22:09When's your podcast coming back?
00:22:11Season three will come out early 2026, probably January.
00:22:15You're going to start recording.
00:22:16You're doing seasons of 10?
00:22:18Yeah, 10 to 12 or so.
00:22:21So that's like--
00:22:22I don't know how y'all do all this content.
00:22:24Three a week?
00:22:26For five and a half years.
00:22:27I had no--
00:22:28I mean, I don't listen to your podcast.
00:22:29I never have.
00:22:29So, like, I don't--
00:22:30What, even the episode that you featured on?
00:22:32That was on your show.
00:22:34Ah, yeah.
00:22:36You remember?
00:22:37Anyway, on that note of connection and deep intimacy,
00:22:43I'll see you next time.
00:22:44Bye.