Something Strange Is Happening To Gen Z - Isabel Brown
CChris Williamson
정신 건강육아(영유아~청소년)결혼/가정생활다이어트/영양뷰티/화장품
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00:00:00Have you seen female lux-maxing?
00:00:02Oh my gosh, we're just jumping right into it, aren't we?
00:00:05I have been under the impression that lux-maxing was largely a male endeavor over the past several
00:00:11months, but I've seen male lux-maxers saying women should or should not get into this,
00:00:16so maybe a little bit.
00:00:17I didn't realize that there are some deep, deep depths that you can go to when it comes
00:00:23to lux-max, because kind of we understand in one form or another that women have always
00:00:29been lux-maxing, but this takes it to a bit of a different level.
00:00:32All right, let's see it.
00:00:33What is female lux-maxing?
00:00:36If you thought this trend was just a part of the manosphere, think again.
00:00:39On Reddit, Discord, and other forum platforms, there are threads where women trade advice
00:00:44on how to hard-max your way to becoming a Stacey, which is the highest tier of attractiveness.
00:00:49It all starts with the upload of a selfie and an invite for forum strangers to firstly rate
00:00:55your appearance and then comment on how you could optimize your looks.
00:00:58Tips that follow range from corset-maxing, shrinking your ribcage through binding, to injecting
00:01:04unlicensed weight-loss drugs, to peanut-maxing, literally chewing peanuts to sculpt a sharper,
00:01:09wider jaw.
00:01:10It also covers breast size.
00:01:13A $2,499 Eve bra, for example, worn overnight for weeks to gain half a cup size.
00:01:19The target audience?
00:01:20Teenagers.
00:01:21A 17-year-old told her skull has serious flaws, or a 14-year-old encouraged to get a rhinoplasty.
00:01:28Girls as young as 13 upload pictures only to be torn apart.
00:01:32Allora's Eva is one of the most prominent public female looks-maxers.
00:01:35This year, Zeva launched a $79 a month program promising drastic change in 90 days, from exercise
00:01:42to hard-maxing measures, including cosmetic procedures.
00:01:45To you or I, this all might feel like unrealistic goals to get an enhanced Instagram face.
00:01:51But to some youngsters, it's seen as something achievable, with the right surgeries, starvation, and effort.
00:01:57What do you think about that?
00:02:00I find it really sad, to be honest with you.
00:02:02It's the same way I feel about looks-maxing for men.
00:02:04Look, I think there's an important discussion we should be having as a society when it comes
00:02:08to beauty standards that we've really lost over the past decade or so.
00:02:11And you've seen complete erasure of any concept between the difference of ugly versus beautiful,
00:02:16not just in people's physical appearance, but you've seen this with architecture,
00:02:19you've seen this with fashion, you've seen this with art, where ugly is now celebrated
00:02:23as normal or even highlighted as beautiful.
00:02:25But, obviously, this can go to a really sinister place very, very quickly.
00:02:29There was a news article that went super viral the last couple days of Demi Moore on the red carpet
00:02:34at the Cannes Film Festival, and she's throwing her arms up and she truly looks skeletal.
00:02:38I mean, very, very unhealthy, on death's doorstep level skinny.
00:02:42And the New York Post shared these photos with the headline on X, Demi Moore shows off her toned
00:02:47arms on the red carpet at the Cannes Film Festival.
00:02:50That is just as damaging as this normalization of morbid obesity that I think we've seen targeting
00:02:55young women for so long.
00:02:56And I think this is just part of that same agenda.
00:02:59Does it feel different seeing female lux-maxing versus male lux-maxing?
00:03:03Because again, we know for a long time that women beautify self-beautification more,
00:03:08cosmetic surgery more, makeup more, etc.
00:03:11This does feel, it gives me different vibes.
00:03:14It doesn't feel like...
00:03:14When I see it, maybe it's just the kind of classic male desire to protect, especially teenage girls.
00:03:22Yeah.
00:03:23And obviously teenage boys need protection too, but there's an additional level of like gut
00:03:28punching here where you're going, ah, you shouldn't be, you shouldn't be being abused
00:03:34by other older girls online into you changing your appearance.
00:03:40And I think every guy, every guy knows at 15, he wanted bigger arms.
00:03:44Yeah.
00:03:45But a girl who's complaining about the size of her boobs...
00:03:50Something you virtually have no control over in a realistic sense, right?
00:03:53It feels...
00:03:53But I mean, guys that are talking about height would be the equivalent for that.
00:03:56I don't know, it's just...
00:03:57There's a...
00:03:57Which still feels more like a more fringe conversation, I think, for guys.
00:04:01Like Clavicular has gained a lot of international attention lately on social media and on the
00:04:05internet, but guys I think generally look at the concept of male looks maxing as this weird fringe
00:04:11corner of the internet or something entertaining to watch, not as a blueprint for their own life.
00:04:14We both had our versions of it, right?
00:04:16Yeah.
00:04:16We, the guys had going to the gym and trying to get a good haircut and grow a beard and whatever.
00:04:22It's just that girls took it further already.
00:04:25And I think now that you're seeing these, I mean, if they start bone smashing, Jesus Christ.
00:04:29Yeah. You know, this feels to me just to be a larger part of the exact same cultural issue we're seeing
00:04:34across everything targeting young girls today. And it goes hand in hand with the attack that we've seen
00:04:39for masculinity in the West all across the last several decades, really throughout my lifetime,
00:04:44where anything remotely labeled masculine was considered toxic and needed to get rid of from
00:04:48society. We had to attack it with everything we had from our culture because that was an outdated,
00:04:53antiquated part of how people used to interact. And that worked for a long time,
00:04:57but men have this natural instinct to fight back and to protect. So it wasn't able to truly be
00:05:02eradicated masculinity from society. And that gave birth to voices like Jordan Peterson and you and
00:05:07Charlie Kirk and so many others, letting young men know it's okay to be a young man. And actually,
00:05:11masculinity is deeply important for the survival of our society. After you saw that really take place
00:05:17successfully, this attack on masculinity, then you saw the attack on womanhood and femininity.
00:05:22And like this concept of looks maxing for men versus women, it is far more sinister than it
00:05:28ever was for masculinity. And I don't think people realize how deep it is willing to go,
00:05:33not just in attacking womanhood, but in desperately trying to erase it from society entirely.
00:05:38I think my prediction for 10 years time, maybe sooner, but realistically 10 years time is that the crisis
00:05:46of femininity will make the crisis of masculinity look like a vaccine.
00:05:50I 100% agree with you. And I don't think people even understand how bad it's gotten today in 2026.
00:05:55Like this is not some deep rabbit hole, dark web conspiracy theory. This is a society that we are living
00:06:01in today that is encouraging women my age in our late 20s and going into our early 30s to outsource
00:06:07everything that is unique and beautiful about womanhood to something else because it's somehow
00:06:11beneath you, right? Outsource intimacy away from the idea of a spouse and something you can build over
00:06:16time towards casual hookups with as many people as possible. Outsource your emotional fulfillment
00:06:21to a job and to pleasing a CEO and constantly trying to climb a corporate ladder instead of building a
00:06:26life with someone through a marriage. Heck, outsource pregnancy to a surrogate because it's beneath
00:06:30you and it's somehow undignified for you to bring life into the world or don't do it at all. And
00:06:35they're actually now even building pregnancy robots in China where theoretically an AI human aid robot
00:06:41for the price of $14,000 will grow and birth your baby for you so that you don't have to do it.
00:06:47That's horrifying, obviously, but that attack gets really scary when you start looking at teenage girls,
00:06:52similar to this particular conversation. Now for teenage girls, everything that is supposedly pro-woman
00:06:58is actually just telling the next generation of girls, you don't have to be a girl at all. We're
00:07:02going to help you escape being a girl in any way humanly possible by gender transition as early as
00:07:07we possibly can. And Planned Parenthood, shockingly, is now the number two provider of cross-sex hormones
00:07:13and puberty blockers for adolescents in America with no history of gender dysphoria.
00:07:17Justin Donald: The stats around ROGD and trans transitions for youths, that seemed to be pulled
00:07:25back quite a lot. I'd seen a lot of data that seemed like we sort of peaked, whatever, 2021,
00:07:30and now it's significantly back down. Is that right? Have you seen this?
00:07:33The trends are looking that way. I think it's all very recent in the last couple of years,
00:07:37so certainly we're going to have to see a few more years of data to see if that sticks. But a lot of that,
00:07:41I think, just has to do with changing culture for our generation. We're so tired of the constant
00:07:46negativity, the blackpilling, the removal of meaning and objective truth from society.
00:07:51And we've started to ask really hard questions as young people in this country. Who am I? What
00:07:55am I doing here? What's the meaning of all of this? And it's leading to quite the cultural revolution.
00:07:59Justin Donald: I'd be super pissed. If I was a trans person, I would be super pissed at all of these
00:08:05very negative news stories about me and the people that I hang around with that have then been co-opted
00:08:12by people that decided to wear it as basically a fashion. And what that means is no one likes this.
00:08:18The people who are a part of that community don't like it. The people who aren't a part of the
00:08:22community are worried about it. The only people that like it, this very sort of small microcosm in the
00:08:26middle. And then the white knights that want to come down from above and help and save and so on
00:08:31and so forth. I don't know. I just, it makes me feel that that period of history makes me feel really
00:08:36icky. I would love to have done a split test because everybody says the reason that this thing didn't
00:08:40happen is because all of the stories and there was so much pushback and people called it out and
00:08:44that, et cetera, et cetera. I remember during COVID, a lot of people were talking about global
00:08:49health passports. And there was this famous photo of a British army guy walking down a London street
00:08:56and it got shared hundreds of thousands of times on Facebook as the army is sending people into London
00:09:03to hold you in your house at gunpoint. And this image got shared around, you know, when you've seen
00:09:08on WhatsApp and it says forwarded many times. Have you ever seen that? Like super duper viral. And I
00:09:12remember so many people were adamant that this was going to happen and then it didn't happen.
00:09:17And I was like, is anyone that decided to post about this going to post a retraction? Like any of
00:09:23you going to say, and the same thing went for the global health passports, but it does become
00:09:26unfalsifiable sometimes with that because you go, well, the reason that they didn't do it, the reason
00:09:31that they didn't bring it in is because we, but they knew that we know and then we push back and so
00:09:35and so on and so forth. And I'm like, okay, I would love to rerun
00:09:3928, 2017 to 2025 again, and not have the cultural voices pushing back against it to see what happened,
00:09:49to see how much of an impact, whether it was just a wave that was going to come
00:09:54and then calm down or whether or not it actually was was impacted by.
00:09:58You are so seeing that right now, especially in political circles of people insisting to their
00:10:03dying breath. No one wanted to transition children. That was never happening. No one was giving trans
00:10:07surgeries or trans treatment or hormones to people under 18 years old. What are you possibly talking
00:10:11about? Meanwhile, entire countries with national health systems like the UK being among the first
00:10:16ones to do it have now come forward and said, oops, yeah, we went too far. Sorry. We didn't mean to do that.
00:10:21We're going to go back in the other direction openly admitting, yeah, we were doing that the whole time,
00:10:25actually. So there is this odd conversation, I think, related to the conspiracy aspect of wondering
00:10:31is stuff like this really happening and asking all the right questions. And then a few years later,
00:10:35seeing how it all ends up shaking out that I think we're watching really repeated in different areas
00:10:40of society right now. It doesn't really matter about the amount of transitions that are going on
00:10:45when you compare that to how many people are on SSRIs. What's happening with the state of SSRIs at the
00:10:51moment? I just did a really big deep dive into that the last couple of days and it has been
00:10:55shocking what I didn't even know, remotely wasn't even familiar with, but so many young people are
00:11:01dealing with today. Most people estimate that about 12% of American adults of all ages are on some form
00:11:07of antidepressant in American culture today in the last year. And that goes up significantly when you
00:11:11start looking at the range of 18 to 24 years old. It's almost 17% of that age range in America
00:11:18currently prescribed antidepressants. I was just at an event the other day at Health and Human Services
00:11:22about something unrelated, about moms, but was approached by a young woman in the audience who
00:11:26came running up to me after the event saying, "Oh my gosh, I would love to tell you my story. My name's
00:11:30Danielle." And Danielle had been prescribed SSRIs like many people in my generation at seven years old
00:11:36for some form of depressive symptoms and her doctors insisted you need this medication or you're going to
00:11:42die. Ultimately telling her parents you need this medication or she's going to die, which is the
00:11:46exact same language that we have often seen with child gender transition. That's that question, would
00:11:50you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? So they put her on SSRIs when she was seven and then
00:11:55she took them for about 15 years before finally deciding to quit. But her doctors never warned her what the
00:12:00process of withdrawal was going to look like when she did eventually decide to stop taking them.
00:12:04And now she has permanent brain damage like most young women who have been impacted by SSRIs.
00:12:09She's dealing with sexual dysfunction and chemical asexuality. Many people are calling these drugs
00:12:15chemical castrating drugs the same way that we've looked at puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.
00:12:20So you're watching a lot of the same downstream effects as the trans movement with over-prescription
00:12:25of SSRIs. But everyone's attacking our Health and Human Services Secretary Bobby Kennedy for saying
00:12:30there's something really sinister and wrong here. I saw this video of a young woman talking about PSSD,
00:12:39post-SSRI sexual dysfunction disorder. And it's really uncomfortable. Can we pull that up,
00:12:48Jared? Can we play that? Yeah, here it is.
00:12:51Yeah, so I'm living with a condition called post-SSRI sexual dysfunction.
00:12:55Sexual dysfunction is one of the most common and reliable side effects of SSRIs. In fact,
00:12:5950 to 70% of all patients taking these will have sexual side effects. What patients are not warned
00:13:05about is that these side effects can be permanent long after you stop the last drug dose. And PSSD is
00:13:11not just low libido. It is a full nervous system injury in which you lose total sexual function
00:13:17neurologically through essentially nervous system damage.
00:13:20So the hallmark symptom of PSSD is genital numbness. Yes, like complete loss of sensation in
00:13:26your genitals. For me, I clearly hate to talk about this, but my clitoris is completely numb as
00:13:32if it's the back of my elbow. I have no sensation internally. I'm 23 years old.
00:13:36I am 23 years old. Sufferers also lose ability to orgasm permanently, like for the rest of their lives,
00:13:41and their libido entirely, which for me and what a lot of other people experience is like a sudden onset
00:13:47like chemical asexuality that just never goes away.
00:13:51I actually met Lauren a few weeks ago, funny enough, that beautiful young woman.
00:13:54Yeah, she's extraordinary and one of the nicest people I've ever met. And I would have had no idea
00:13:58that she was dealing with this on a daily basis until I saw her testimony a few weeks later.
00:14:02And it just makes me wonder how many young women I interact with and young men too on a day-to-day
00:14:08basis that this has become their everyday normal. And for whatever reason, you don't see any coverage
00:14:14about that in the mainstream media at all. Why do you think that is?
00:14:18I don't know. I think it's easy to wish away all of the crazy motives of the mainstream media for every
00:14:25topic right now that's pretty controversial. But when I was studying SSRIs the last few weeks,
00:14:29looking to understand why everyone was so angry at Bobby Kennedy, I only saw attack headlines and
00:14:35articles against him for somehow being anti-science or not following the expert advice of all of the
00:14:41people who work for him at our Department of Health and Human Services that the science is settled.
00:14:45These things are so unbelievably safe. We've heard that terminology before on so many other subjects
00:14:49in our country. And having studied science for many years myself, the biggest red flag in the world
00:14:54is when someone tells you that science is settled because science is never settled. It is a constant
00:14:58process of discovery. But I saw C-SPAN cover that, obviously, for their testimony. That was it.
00:15:04People on X posted about it. Social media. Content creators posted about it. The mainstream media
00:15:08refuses to touch it with a 10-foot pole. Is that empathy? Is that trying to not
00:15:17other people that are on it? Is it money from companies that make SSRI medication?
00:15:23I'm sure that's a huge aspect of it. And that certainly is a concern in politics. I got my master's
00:15:27degree in basically science policy. It's a very long name, so I won't bore you with it. But one of the biggest shocking
00:15:32things I learned in my foray into living in Washington, D.C., this was 2019 going into 2020,
00:15:38was learning from people who ran the FDA and the CDC and the WHO's legal office about all things
00:15:44public health. And one of the major concerns that most people have right now in this era of Maha is
00:15:49that unlike the military industrial complex that prevents generals from the military going to work
00:15:54for Lockheed Martin five minutes later, you don't have those same protections for big food and big pharma.
00:15:59So there's basically just a constant revolving door in Washington, D.C. with executives at
00:16:04companies like Pfizer then going to work for the FDA and vice versa 100% of the time.
00:16:08So that certainly is a concern.
00:16:09Bobby Kennedy got slapped with that, right? It was like,
00:16:11will you say that you'll never go and work somewhere else before? Was that not part of the
00:16:15interrogation that happened to him?
00:16:16I think that question was in Pete Hegseth's hearings, if I remember correctly.
00:16:20Okay.
00:16:20So a little bit of a different conversation, but it's an interesting one for sure. And there
00:16:24certainly is massive influence from pharmaceutical companies in the media, in medical education,
00:16:29pharmaceutical companies pay for a lot of med schools. And of course, in politics as well.
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00:17:38What do you wish more men understood about the women's mental health crisis and SSRI epidemic?
00:17:45Because it is disproportionately young girls that are taking it that are then going to grow up to become
00:17:49women. And it's already hard enough to understand what the other sex is thinking. But then with this
00:17:56loaded on top, what do you think? You know, I think it's so frustrating for us to have this conversation
00:18:02between young men and young women right now. And you're watching a lot of intersex animosity start
00:18:07to build because it feels like the other side isn't acknowledging what you're going through
00:18:11appropriately, right? So I think it's important to say young men have been dealing with a substantial
00:18:16mental health crisis unlike anything the world has ever seen throughout my lifetime. And that has peaked
00:18:21in the last few years, especially. But I think we're also starting to see kind of the other side
00:18:25of that now. And you're watching a generation of young men really redefine what our cultural values
00:18:29are, what strength means, retaking masculinity and ownership over your life. At the same time,
00:18:34you're watching all of the statistics start to suggest that for the first time in modern history,
00:18:39it is young women struggling with things like suicide and substance abuse, anxiety and depression at a
00:18:44higher rate than young men are. I have no doubt that that probably is fueled by massive pharmaceutical
00:18:49intervention in our society right now. But it's also just cultural. I mean, like I said, that attack
00:18:54on femininity seems so much darker and so much more sinister than it ever was to point at a young
00:18:59boy and say, "Men are evil." Like, that's bad. Objectively, it was horrible. We fought against it
00:19:03appropriately for so many years, especially in the last decade. But what they're telling young women
00:19:07is the idea of existing as a woman is unacceptable for society. So now we are going to
00:19:12over-prescribe and over-medicate you to turn you into a boy because there is no value for you
00:19:18whatsoever as a young woman. And we need young men to help us fight back against that. I think
00:19:22there's a huge role for masculine protective instincts here with our generation to make sure
00:19:27that these lies don't continue to become truth every day. Well, is it not the tip of the spear of
00:19:35culture is euphoria? Yeah. And this Sydney Sweeney clip, which is going super viral at the moment,
00:19:41plays precisely into there are two sides typically that don't talk to each other very well. And one
00:19:50of them seems to think that you should degrade traditional roles. And another one of them
00:19:55thinks that that's ridiculous and silly. We got to play this, Jared. It's so funny.
00:20:00I don't watch euphoria. I've had no interest in the show, but I have seen that clip many times over the
00:20:22past couple of days and it does make me chuckle a little bit that they now have her cosplaying as
00:20:26this only fans creator turned podcaster. I don't know where they're going with this as not a watcher
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00:20:40that has become so concerning in the past year or so, especially Sydney Sweeney, the savior you didn't
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00:20:50and did ASMR with her breasts and genitals. Lovely. It is funny. It is kind of, it's interesting
00:20:57with euphoria because they did a time jump because everyone was super young. And then there was tons
00:21:01of pushback because it was so young that it was way too edgy with sex and drugs. So like we're jumping
00:21:08forward five years into the future and that's going to kind of stop us from having the, these people are
00:21:13too young to be doing what they're doing. I didn't even know that happened. That's fascinating.
00:21:16I mean, again, I'm not watching. I'm only hearing this second time. This could be fake news,
00:21:20but it is, it does feel like what would we do if we needed to get people to watch this?
00:21:29Well, we'd get them to do the thing that would be the most ridiculous thing that's available.
00:21:33Yeah.
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00:21:51Are they in our culture today? Are OnlyFans models actually marginalized? Because I think it's become
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00:23:12not making millions of dollars every single month doing whatever Sydney Sweeney was doing on
00:23:17Euphoria. A friend of mine was talking to an editor of a newspaper about a story that was a
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00:23:29And that that was seen as in some ways liberating and allowing her to earn money and
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00:23:44About leaving OnlyFans to be a mom. Exactly. Yeah. Strange. Look, I like the idea of
00:23:55not needing to equivocate everything. Well, you said X, therefore we're allowed to say X as well,
00:24:00but in the opposite direction. But it does feel like the mainstream media or the legacy media are just so
00:24:08fucking far behind. We were talking before we got started. You were saying that in Washington, D.C.,
00:24:12there's a big fucking screen in everyone's office and it's just playing cable news.
00:24:17Constant loop of every cable station 24 hours a day so that they know everything that's going on,
00:24:22even though they're all talking about the same thing. You couldn't possibly know everything that's
00:24:25going on if you're just watching CNN, MSNBC and Fox. Seems like you've rejected most modern advice on
00:24:33marriage and careers. I would say so. Although maybe not quite as radically as most people attempt to
00:24:39paint me as online, which is funny. I often get criticized that I'm actually not trad enough,
00:24:44mostly from people on the right. Insufficiently trad? Insufficiently trad. Trad light, maybe,
00:24:48because I work, because I have a career and I own my own business and I travel a lot and give speeches.
00:24:54All trad, I see. Yeah, there's a lot of us in that camp today. But I think there's been a really
00:24:58fascinating cultural conversation in the last six months around motherhood in a powerful and unique
00:25:04way that I've never seen in my lifetime, allowing young women to kind of peel back the curtain and see
00:25:09that bias from the mainstream media as what it is, to start asking the right questions of,
00:25:14do I really want to live alone and lonely and isolated and miserable or just
00:25:19hooking up with casual hookups for the rest of my life and making my entire identity the cubicle
00:25:23that I sit in? I don't know. I don't know if I want that to be the case. And I think it's really poetic
00:25:28that there are so many young female Christian creators on social media documenting our journey
00:25:34of motherhood together. I have a beautiful group chat every day that I text in with Riley Gaines and
00:25:39Brett Cooper and we share baby pictures every single day. We give people advice at three in
00:25:43the morning when somebody's up with a screaming baby. And I hope that that continues to to carry
00:25:48out for the rest of our generation too. Have you seen ROBF, rapid onset baby fever?
00:25:53No, but I love this term. The friend who doesn't want kids holding a baby for the first time.
00:25:58I think I have seen that. It's an Australian girl who said that she never wanted to have kids and then
00:26:05someone just basically jumped. Oh, here it is. Yes, I have seen this. This is so good.
00:26:11A friend who doesn't want kids holds a baby for the first time.
00:26:31Rapid onset baby fever. Rapid onset baby fever. You need to make merch for that. I will rock it
00:26:37everywhere. There's something to be said about that, though. My husband and I do a really intentional
00:26:42effort of bringing our baby everywhere we possibly can in Washington, D.C., because there's just not
00:26:46a lot of babies in D.C., especially in the political world. And it's funny to see people's
00:26:51reactions. Of course, there's a lot of eye rolls of like, ugh, this lady was the one who brought her
00:26:54baby, really. More often than not, though, upwards of like 90 percent of the time, police officers,
00:26:59members of the National Guard, people working on the metro, restaurant servers. Everyone comes running
00:27:05over to say, oh, my gosh, a baby, a beautiful baby. Can I look at your baby? Your baby's so sweet.
00:27:09And I really do think we have an intentional lack of baby fever in our culture today by telling young
00:27:14moms, do not bring your baby in public. Babies do not belong in public. So you're watching so many
00:27:19young women never have that moment because they never get to hold a baby or be asked to babysit for
00:27:24their friends or even just see one on the train on the way home from work.
00:27:27Well, we know that behavior is mimetic. That was why when it came to girls that were transitioning,
00:27:33it was way more F to M than M to F. Yes.
00:27:35So that tells you a lot. Significantly more.
00:27:37Four to one, five to one. And it wasn't evenly distributed across the U.S. It was three girls who
00:27:42all sit together in the same maths class. Clusters.
00:27:44Clusters, yeah. Okay. Well, why? Well, because people model their behavior off the people that are
00:27:49around them. And if you've got no one with a baby around you, then if your friend gets divorced,
00:27:58the likelihood that you get divorced goes up. Significantly.
00:28:01By a good amount. So the same thing has to be true. There has to be data that says if your friend gets
00:28:08pregnant, the likelihood of you deciding to have a family goes up. Or if your friend has a baby,
00:28:12the likelihood of you. But if there's fewer babies around because fewer people are having babies and also
00:28:17because there is this sort of implicit, we're all adults in the room. We're serious people.
00:28:23Din is supposed to be- Yeah. Be more mature than bringing your baby.
00:28:26Bringing a baby. Like get a nanny. Get a babysitter. That's what we're supposed to do.
00:28:29You don't want to ruin the fun time for everybody else. And I do wonder how much of it is this sort
00:28:36of mimetic spiral going down where fewer people see it, therefore fewer people have it, therefore
00:28:41fewer people get exposed to it. It's such an interesting concept. I've never thought to research
00:28:45that from the positive angle of if you're seeing young women have babies, are you going to want to have
00:28:49a baby? Babies have to happen in clusters. Oh, totally. But I like the cluster idea.
00:28:53Abigail Schreier writes about clusters really powerfully related to gender transition in her
00:28:57book Irreversible Damage. And she studies the data of this from the last 10 years or so,
00:29:02comparing it to mimicking eating disorder clusters and suicide clusters for teenage girls in like the
00:29:07late 1990s into the early 2000s, that you were much more likely to suffer from anorexia or bulimia if
00:29:13all of your friends were suffering from it in high school. And the same thing when suicide became very
00:29:16normalized among teenagers in the early 2000s. If one person in your friend group committed suicide,
00:29:21you were very, very likely to do the same in the next few months. So maybe there's a way to flip
00:29:26that on the positive. And if your friends are all getting married and your friends are all having
00:29:29babies, that makes you start to question whether you want that in your life too. I think that's
00:29:33powerful. I suppose the problem is that online everybody's algorithms are so individualized.
00:29:38Yeah, that's a huge problem. We might be friends in real life and you might influence my behavior in
00:29:43real life. But given that I'm going to spend four hours a day, six hours a day, eight hours a day as a
00:29:49teenage girl on the internet, that feed might be similar. It depends on how many DMs we're sharing
00:29:55back and forth, but still it's going to be different for me. What I see is going to be different to what
00:29:59you see, which means that there is this separation, which in some ways could be good, apart from the
00:30:05fact that I don't think most content on the internet is positive for people's mental or physical health.
00:30:12I would agree with that more often. Almost what you need is an even
00:30:16stronger friend group to try and counteract whatever you're seeing online.
00:30:21Well, what do they say? You are the conglomeration of the five people you spend the most time with.
00:30:24That's wrong. You are the conglomeration of the five podcasts you listen to.
00:30:29And Chris Williamson, Modern Wisdom should be number one, obviously.
00:30:32That's why British accents are spreading on a daily basis.
00:30:35I love that.
00:30:36No one's talking about the British accent. R-O, rapid onset British accent. Roba, that's it.
00:30:41British accent fever.
00:30:42Yeah, yeah, Roba.
00:30:45Why do you think it is that, like, elite culture is sort of increasingly
00:30:49treating family life as intellectually unserious?
00:30:52Well, there's an interesting angle to take with this, and I think there are
00:30:55infinite different reasons feeding into the same conclusion. And that conclusion is devastating.
00:31:00We currently have the lowest marriage rate ever recorded in American history since we began
00:31:04recording those rates in the 1860s. And we recently just hit a new low fertility rate at 1.6 children
00:31:10per woman. Obvious math would tell you that the replacement rate for any population is 2.1 children
00:31:16per woman. So really what you're watching is not an overpopulation crisis, as is often presented in
00:31:21the mainstream media, but a dire underpopulation crisis that threatens the existence of humanity.
00:31:26Because this isn't just America. This is two-thirds of the world's population that is currently existing
00:31:31below replacement rate because of a lot of this propaganda that is so anti-family. I think a lot
00:31:36of this came decades and decades and decades ago into the zeitgeist of American culture before anyone really
00:31:42took it seriously. And that's why we need to start paying attention now as we fight on offense for the
00:31:47family for the next several generations. I had no idea that this happened, but recently discovered
00:31:52that the American Communist Party—yes, an actual political party—in the 1960s went to the United
00:31:58States House of Representatives and on the floor of Congress read into the official congressional record
00:32:05their then goals to destroy America. And I actually want to get these perfect for you because I want
00:32:10to read them verbatim. I think they're fascinating. Sounds like the fucking start of a movie. It is,
00:32:15and no one knows that this happened in our own country. Most of them are related to normalizing
00:32:21the USSR and acceptance of Soviet-style communism. That was a very early and quick failure. Well,
00:32:26of course. And they do that through a variety of ways, through taking over the media and taking
00:32:30over college campuses, fomenting student riots, all of those things to normalize socialism. But these
00:32:36are the communist goals, the 45 goals from the communist party in 1963, read into the congressional
00:32:42record of the United States. When you start reading these, it actually feels like you are reading a
00:32:46screenplay for the current culture that we're living in. And that's scary to people
00:32:50because I think it's a wake-up call for those older than us that they failed in acting appropriately
00:32:54against this and safeguarding our culture. But listen to this. These are good. I mentioned that
00:32:59they took over college campuses and the press. Listen to these. "Continue discrediting American
00:33:03culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. One American communist cell was told to eliminate
00:33:09all good sculpture from parks and buildings and to substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
00:33:16Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of
00:33:20free speech and free press. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography
00:33:24and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, TV. Present homosexuality,
00:33:29degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural, healthy. Infiltrate the church to replace revealed
00:33:34religion with social religion. And discredit the Bible, emphasizing the need for intellectual
00:33:39maturity that doesn't need a religious crutch." I mean, it is scary stuff. The culture we're living in
00:33:44today is a result of these goals. But specifically their attack on the family is at the end. And I
00:33:49don't think that's a coincidence because they're looking at the family as the last line that they
00:33:54have to fight against in order for complete societal control. If you look through any successful society
00:33:59in human history, empires rise and fall with the strength of the family. It is the foundation for a
00:34:04moral thriving society. But here was what the Communist Party wanted to do 60 years ago. And it begs the
00:34:10question whether they succeeded. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy
00:34:17divorce. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of their parents. Attribute
00:34:24prejudices, mental blocks, and the retarding of children to the suppressive influence of parents.
00:34:31That is where we arrived here because there were sinister people at play, not just a particular
00:34:37political party, the American Communist Party, but those they were impacting: the school system,
00:34:42Hollywood, American politics at large, the larger conversation surrounding media all over Western
00:34:48civilization that shaped the political landscape for the last 60 years to arrive here, where it is
00:34:54beneath you as a young woman to give birth because that's so degrading and disgusting. And why would you
00:34:59want to put your body through that? It is beneath you as a young man or young woman presented from both
00:35:04sides to get married to someone because marriage is a scam and a trap and it's going to take all of your money
00:35:09and remove your independence from your life. And instead, we're just encouraged to operate in this
00:35:14concept of what I often call malignant narcissism, like the most extreme radical selfishness you ever could
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00:36:21When you talk about choosing hard things, like marriage, children, family, why do you think
00:36:27modern culture frames those as limitations rather than adventures?
00:36:31Oh, I love the premise of that question. The human nature default, I think, is to avoid the
00:36:40difficult and to avoid the challenging. And it always has been. That's why the greatest epics and the
00:36:44greatest stories have always been about overcoming something extraordinary, whether that was stories
00:36:49from ancient Greece or throughout the Roman Empire to the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, all the way
00:36:54through our favorite movies that we love to watch today. Everything is about overcoming your personal
00:36:59limitations to do something for the greater good or to do something that serves other people.
00:37:04And if I've learned anything in this first two years of marriage and now first year of raising my
00:37:08beautiful daughter who just turned one, I have found the greatest moments of my life have always been when
00:37:15I have laid my life down for my husband or for my daughter. And of course, that doesn't mean literally
00:37:19dying for them, although it might in some circumstances, but in getting out of bed at three in the morning
00:37:24after I haven't slept for nine months straight and can't possibly make it another sleepless night to make
00:37:29sure that my daughter's comforted and she knows that I'm there or sacrificing one of my personal
00:37:34obligations of going to hang out with my friends to instead prioritize time with my spouse. I feel a
00:37:39greater sense of purpose and fulfillment and meaning in my life than I ever felt when I was just doing
00:37:44the easy thing, kicking my feet up and binge watching Netflix on a Friday night instead.
00:37:48What do you think people who don't agree with that worldview think when they hear you say it? Because
00:37:54you're somebody who's got how many degrees?
00:37:55I'm working on my third currently.
00:37:58Working on your third degree, high powered career both before, during and after, like
00:38:05prototypical lean in girl boss. Like that is the dream, right? For modern independent women,
00:38:13socio-economically successful, able to do the thing, competent, hard charging, respected.
00:38:21What do you think? Do you think that they think that you're lying?
00:38:24No, I don't think they think I'm lying.
00:38:26That you're unique, that you've just got some odd makeup, that your nature is in some way
00:38:31strange and that if we were to port that across or that it's a luxury position that you're in,
00:38:35that other women can't access that?
00:38:37I think that's often the narrative that I see on social media, which obviously cannot be
00:38:40further from the truth. I have worked my butt off throughout the last decade or so
00:38:44since leaving high school to build the career that I have, which is so different than anything
00:38:48I ever dreamed that I would do. I wanted to be a physician, actually. That was my
00:38:52end-all be-all goal in life. I wanted to be a surgeon and got my first two degrees in sciences
00:38:56because of that. But God obviously pulled my life in a very different direction and I'm glad that I
00:39:01listened. I think the problem that most young women have with seeing this as an end result on the
00:39:07road map or even the journey that they want to go on on the road map is that they have been
00:39:12systematically told by every single pillar of American cultural institutions, the education
00:39:17system, Hollywood, the mainstream media, politics, even the church in many ways, that they are somehow
00:39:23not equipped, they are not strong enough, they are not smart enough, they are not capable enough to
00:39:27quote unquote "have it all." And I think that that's really sad. It is the bigotry of low expectations for
00:39:33women and actually, frankly, is misogynistic against women when women are told that because they tell you
00:39:38if you find yourself pregnant in college, you won't be able to graduate. Kill your baby, actually,
00:39:43because that's the only way that you'll ever be able to be successful. They'll tell you if you're
00:39:47thinking about getting married to someone, you'll never have a fulfilling career because his career
00:39:51will always come before yours and there is no such thing as real sacrifice and compromise in a
00:39:55marriage. It's a patriarchal institution. So you better never embrace that type of emotional
00:39:59fulfillment for your life. If you're pregnant and working a high-powered job, they'll tell you,
00:40:04okay, but you're going to have to take some time off or be a lot more flexible. And frankly,
00:40:08we would rather as a Fortune 500 company just pay for you to go out of state and stay in a luxury hotel
00:40:13for the weekend and pay for your abortion rather than offer better maternity leave. And I think that
00:40:17we have built this culture that calls itself feminist and calls itself pro-woman when actually we are
00:40:23constantly telling women you're too weak, you're too stupid, you are too ill-equipped to have a family
00:40:29and this other vocation that you are pursuing. And that is obviously not true. It is difficult,
00:40:34it's challenging, it's hard, it requires immense sacrifice in so many different ways. And you probably
00:40:39aren't going to be able to binge watch Netflix every night or go out with your girlfriends every single
00:40:43weekend. But it is beautiful and empowering and fulfilling unlike anything else the world has to offer you.
00:40:49It is interesting how some of the most misogynistic ideas have come from people that say that they're
00:40:56pro-women. It's wild, it blows my mind. To make it clear, I don't think that anybody, man or woman,
00:41:03should have children that they don't want to have or get married if they don't want to. Like,
00:41:07if you don't want that, I actually actively think it's a great idea for you to not have kids if you
00:41:12don't want kids. Actively do. I think the position that everybody that I respect is in at the moment
00:41:20is the current culture is convincing people who haven't realized that they do want that, that they
00:41:26don't. Or that even if they do want it, somehow they're not able to achieve it for whatever reason.
00:41:32I took a lot of heat in the last couple of weeks for having this very conversation,
00:41:36because I was speaking on a panel at CPAC, which is one of the largest conservative political
00:41:41conferences that happens in the country every year. And honestly, it was like a 30-minute conversation
00:41:45with a bunch of other people. I wasn't there to deliver my own personal message to our generation
00:41:49or anything. But the last question that I was asked was, "Do you have a message for everyone
00:41:53sitting in the audience about how we can go on offense to fight for our country and for our
00:41:56culture?" And mostly it was people my parents and my grandparents' age. And I looked out at the
00:42:01audience and I said, "Tell your children," meaning your adult children, "that they should have the
00:42:05courage to fall in love and get married and have children, more children than they think that they're ready
00:42:10for it, more than they think that they can afford." And I never thought anything of it. I got off stage,
00:42:14that was just one of many events that I had going on that week.
00:42:17Oh, fuck, you went on The View had a pop at you about this.
00:42:19And two days later, I got a text from a reporter at Fox News asking me if I had a comment on what
00:42:25the women of The View had to say about Isabel Brown. And I'm thinking, The View? I haven't seen
00:42:30a clip from The View in like six years, but sure, let's pull it up. And lo and behold,
00:42:34they had dedicated an entire eight-minute segment of the show to me, which I was like, "Sorry, what?
00:42:39I don't even know what I did in the last week." And they honed in on that one answer to that one
00:42:44question as such a dangerous message for young women today. They called it reckless, I think is
00:42:50the word that they used over and over again. Basically saying, if you are telling women—actually,
00:42:54not even basically, Whoopi Goldberg ended the segment saying this verbatim, "Isabel, if you are
00:42:58telling women to have as many children as they want to, I am going to send you back to the past."
00:43:04In other words, it's all about choices until the choice is that you do want to have children and
00:43:09you want this beautiful journey for yourself. That is no longer welcome in society for feminists in
00:43:152026. And isn't that profoundly sad? I mean, every woman but one of them sitting around that table at
00:43:21The View has children of their own.
00:43:22I was going to say, how many kids has Whoopi got?
00:43:24I think multiple, to my knowledge. She has at least one. I know she has a daughter,
00:43:28adult daughter now, and grandchildren. But it's good enough for these people who sit around in a
00:43:32gazillion-dollar TV studio in New York City telling you what you should think about everything.
00:43:36But the minute you present something remotely a little bit different than what every single
00:43:41cultural institution is telling you—kids, bad. Husband, evil. Womanhood, hear me roar, rah, rah, rah, rah,
00:43:47then you are the enemy, basically. And it's not about you—that segment was not about me,
00:43:52despite the fact that they used my name a million times and said all kinds of horrible things about
00:43:55my family. It was about this idea that our generation is looking around at the misery
00:44:00and emptiness and cultural meaninglessness that we are living through right now in this
00:44:05time of moral relativism and saying, I don't want that. I want something timeless and sturdy and
00:44:09a foundation I can actually build upon.
00:44:11It feels chaotic.
00:44:12Which is my family and faith.
00:44:14It feels chaotic and it feels very whiplashy. No one has any idea where they're supposed to stand.
00:44:18And I had this guy called Stephen J. Shaw. He's one of the best demographers in the world. And
00:44:23we did a big birthrate debate roundtable episode. And he said that on current trends, 40% of teenage
00:44:31girls—40% of 15-year-old girls will never become mothers.
00:44:34Yep.
00:44:3540% of teenage girls will never become mothers that are 15 years old.
00:44:38And he's like, again, no woman or man who doesn't want to have kids should have kids.
00:44:44If you do not want to have kids, I think it's a great idea for you to not have them.
00:44:49But in—and this is where the crisis of femininity thing comes in—in 10 or 15 years' time,
00:44:56a lot of women who have been grappling with culture and desire and practical challenge of finding a
00:45:03partner and then getting pregnant and then being able to afford it, and where are we going to live,
00:45:07and all of these things that are really, really difficult to navigate, are going to realize that
00:45:12it's no longer something that they're working toward, but something that they missed.
00:45:15Yes.
00:45:15And that's going to happen en masse at greater and greater numbers. And again,
00:45:21maybe the stats will change. Maybe the stats will change.
00:45:24It's not looking likely, to be honest.
00:45:26Maybe they will, right? And that's the only case in which
00:45:31people who are pushing back against this and saying that this is irresponsible from you, etc.,
00:45:35the only case in which their argument is a responsible one to make is if the 90% of people,
00:45:4290% of women either do or want to have children. 90% of women do or want to have children.
00:45:48Which is normal, by the way. I think we treat that as this crazy, archaic,
00:45:53unfeminist thing that you should want to have a child. Your natural, God-given femininity means
00:45:58you are inclined for nurturing. Period. Full stop. It's why you're replacing the idea of motherhood
00:46:03with being like a plant mom, or a cat mom, or a dog mom.
00:46:06Plant mom?
00:46:06Plant mom. Whole corner of the internet. Plant moms. Don't even go down the rabbit hole. It's not worth it.
00:46:12Wow.
00:46:12Merch and everything. It's a whole thing. Don't get me wrong. I love my dog. I can't really keep a plant alive,
00:46:16so I don't think I'll ever be a successful plant parent. I love my dog. My dog's my sidekick.
00:46:22She has her own Instagram. I love my dog. She is truly my best friend. My dog will never be on par
00:46:28of importance in my life as my baby, and I never would have thought that it was that dramatic of
00:46:32a difference until I gave birth. Crazy that you have to make that as a statement.
00:46:35It is crazy, and I'm like radically insane for most people online for saying that, but it is not
00:46:39abnormal, and nothing is wrong with you if you want to have a baby. That is an instinctual desire for
00:46:46women because we were designed to nurture in a different way than men were designed to provide
00:46:50and to protect. I think we've just gaslit ourselves as a generation into thinking everything that we
00:46:55naturally are inclined toward is somehow evil or regressive or outdated, and it's not.
00:47:00But because of that lie, by 2030, in just a few years, 45% of women age 15 to 45 are going to be
00:47:08single and childless. Basically half. I don't know what we'd do with that as a society.
00:47:14I just really, really hope that the people who want to have kids realize, and I hope that they
00:47:23realize not too late. Because otherwise, this is where that line is going to come. Because at the
00:47:27moment, there are lots of people who are holding this view, but they haven't decided to sort of make
00:47:33their bet, but they haven't yet left the stadium. Well, that's the really sinister part of the attack
00:47:37on women, right? And why it's different from the attack on men. The attack on masculinity can happen
00:47:41at really any time, right? Men are masculine, period. From the minute they come out of the womb all the
00:47:44way until the minute that they die. And everything associated with masculinity was bad. But what they
00:47:49really primarily are targeting with this attack on womanhood is a very short window of time,
00:47:55of your biological capacity. It's a very impressionable time.
00:47:57A very impressionable time where you already feel uncomfortable in your adolescence. Every
00:48:01woman does. Body's changing, I'm awkward. You're ugly and weird and chubby and you got acne and
00:48:05everybody else looks beautiful and you feel really gross, right? Like that's very normal.
00:48:08They prey upon that in that moment now to either convince you to basically render yourself sterile.
00:48:14That's what they're doing through these SSRI prescriptions or for gender transition. Or if
00:48:19they're unable to do that, they wait a couple more years and then they convince you, well,
00:48:22we know you want those things later in life and that's okay. That's okay. You can want them later in
00:48:26life, but right now you should just really have fun. You should embrace your 20s. You should be
00:48:30radically selfish. You should do this thing. And they essentially push you out of the biological window for
00:48:35your capacity to even answer. Do I want this for myself? And that's, what's really scary.
00:48:40Who's they?
00:48:41The proverbial they, I suppose. But I really think this is coming from multiple directions
00:48:45in society. Do you think this is coordinated?
00:48:47It can be in many ways. Um, and I think it was as we normalized a lot of these ideas,
00:48:51but now it just is normal culture and it doesn't need to be quite as coordinated. It's the snowball
00:48:56down the hill. It's just starting going. Yeah. That's an interesting one. I mean, look,
00:49:01political affiliation is heritable. It's quite heritable, actually. It's about 50% heritable,
00:49:06I think. Now we had a strange pivot in the last generation, which is there was so much rebellion
00:49:13against our parents' generation of what it was that they believed that I think that heritability
00:49:18might have dropped somewhat. With millennials, you're saying?
00:49:21Yeah, I think so. And Gen Z too. I think that there's a lot of rebellion from what my parents
00:49:26believed I'm going to believe the opposite. And that can go in both directions. But I think that's
00:49:29maybe more so, especially for women gone to the left. But if you are someone who cares about your
00:49:35current party's political continuation, this is just advice to anyone, no matter what you care about,
00:49:43even if you're a fucking heaven's gator and your hope is that your kids will kill themselves when
00:49:47they're fucking 30 years old, when the comet goes over the top. It doesn't matter because the likelihood
00:49:53of your beliefs and worldview and ideology and the things that you care about continuing,
00:49:57the best way that you can ensure that is to recreate a human using your genes.
00:50:03Well, it's not even about politics, right? I mean, economically, our country is going to collapse.
00:50:08If you care about economic stability and financial opportunity for the next generation,
00:50:12good luck with any sort of financial stability. If we don't have anyone to run
00:50:16our society, good luck with everything. I mean, you could apply this to every political issue
00:50:20and cultural and socioeconomic issue of our time. But I actually think it's just much more important
00:50:25than that, right? Because ultimately, what we're really talking about is what it means to uniquely be
00:50:29human. And I think they have so attacked this idea of love and purpose and soul to the point that I hear
00:50:37often on college campuses and on social media alike that really we're just animals, right? I mean,
00:50:42sex itself has been degraded not from this beautiful union with the purpose of making a new person,
00:50:48and I would argue actually an act of worship for God. I don't think we talk about that enough,
00:50:52but I do think that's what sex can have the capacity to be.
00:50:55It does feel a little bit weird for God to be the third person in the sex.
00:50:57Well, God's the third person in your marriage, ultimately, in high school.
00:51:00Does he stay outside when I go in the bedroom?
00:51:03In high school, I had a morality teacher. We had to take a mandatory morality class at Catholic high
00:51:07school. And I had him explain sex in a way that I've never forgotten. And I wish we talked
00:51:11about this with more young people and more teenagers. He said, "Sex ultimately is what
00:51:16it is supposed to be the closest feeling to heaven on earth when it is done with your spouse inside
00:51:21the loving union of your marriage." That's awesome. I mean, that's the most amazing thing you could
00:51:25possibly sell to the next generation. Unfortunately, we're learning sex ed from Planned Parenthood in
00:51:29America more often than not. They write the vast majority of sex ed in our country today. But we've even
00:51:35reduced that to the point of complete animalistic behavior in the name of empowerment somehow or
00:51:40enlightenment. I mean, for goodness sakes, there was a clip that went super viral a few days ago of
00:51:43Alex Cooper on her podcast, probably the most influential female on the internet today for young
00:51:50women, saying that the best way to just be an empowered girly is on the second night that you
00:51:55know a man to let him have anal sex with you. As if that's somehow...
00:52:00It's a bold strategy.
00:52:01Bold strategy. Not particularly a safe one physically, emotionally, spiritually, any of the things.
00:52:06Can we find that clip, Jared?
00:52:08If you search it on X, I'm sure it's the first one that comes up. It is shocking. I mean,
00:52:12my jaw was on the floor, but that is what we're selling as sex advice to kids today. Wild.
00:52:20I don't know. I mean, look, every time that I sit down with Brett, we seem to talk about...
00:52:23Is this it? This one?
00:52:24This is it.
00:52:25All right.
00:52:26I've had so many dates where I had great first date kisses and I was like,
00:52:31oh my God, I'm never calling you, but oh, who doesn't love a makeout? Like makeouts are so
00:52:36fun. Okay. And so kiss them the first date, fucking sleep with them the first night. Like,
00:52:41I don't care. You have to go based on what feels good to your body and what feels right to you. And
00:52:46so if you have some fucking friends that are prudes that are like, you should never kiss on the first
00:52:51date. You're going to give them the wrong impression and they're just going to think you're a whore.
00:52:55Okay. Maybe for you, Cassandra, but I'm about to let them in my back door on night.
00:53:03You don't have to do anal on night too, but you could. Whatever feels right. You have to be at your
00:53:10core centered with what feels right to you and your body and what you want to do. And if you want to
00:53:16fuck or you want to make out, or how about this? If you don't want to kiss on the first date and that
00:53:21is your MO, wait, but don't just. What's weird when you watch clips like that and it's this strange
00:53:28crossing over of two different worlds. One is sex positive, only fans adjacent euphoria world.
00:53:37And the other is therapy language. You have to do what feels right in your body.
00:53:42For you.
00:53:43Yeah. For you at this moment. Yeah. It's this, it is, it's very self affirming.
00:53:47Yep.
00:53:48I'm like, hang on a second. This doesn't feel, those two worlds don't feel like the same thing.
00:53:54I don't think that you should be talking in therapy language when it comes to making a decision about
00:54:02what you're doing on your first date with your body, because we all know that instinct is sometimes
00:54:09impulse. And we've all made really fucking bad decisions with regards to impulsive, like making
00:54:14an impulsive decision in almost no one's book is a good idea. And look, here's a paradox.
00:54:21It is true somehow that sex is both something so sacred and precious that if it goes wrong,
00:54:31it can be the most traumatic thing of your entire life.
00:54:33Yep.
00:54:33And also something which can be freely traded on the open market or given away after a dinner at Carbone.
00:54:42In our current culture, I don't think it should be that.
00:54:44I don't understand how those two things come together, right? And I think it's maybe something
00:54:48to do with choice, right? To steel man the other side, it's well, I'm choosing to do this thing,
00:54:53that thing, even if it's not sacred or special, there is something about the violation of that line,
00:55:01which is highly traumatic.
00:55:03The illusion of liberty, of I'm just having radical freedom over my choices and that's somehow empowering.
00:55:11I think it's just that I'm trying to steel man what the case would be for how those two worldviews
00:55:16come together. Because it's obvious that the first one is really true, that it is one of the most
00:55:23horrendous things that could ever happen to a person. I think it's, if you were to ask women what their
00:55:27number one fear is. It must be by, I mean, who's, no woman's saying spiders more than assault, right?
00:55:34Right, yeah.
00:55:34But it is also true that this other world exists. And the only steel man that I can think of is
00:55:46if I choose to do this thing, then it is liberated. If I don't choose to do this thing,
00:55:54then I was violated.
00:55:55I can see why people might arrive at that conclusion, but I mean,
00:55:59it immediately falls apart the minute you start nitpicking the argument, right? It's the same
00:56:04lack of critical thinking and complete double standard that I see related to abortion when
00:56:08I talk about this with young women on college campuses. Frankly, I did a debate, gosh, two years
00:56:12ago now on Ellen Fisher's podcast that was so interesting. It was a beautiful conversation
00:56:17with me and Ellen was moderating and then a young woman who is a family physician. She delivers babies
00:56:21every single day for her job as a licensed physician in America. And she actually told me on
00:56:26this couch that a baby is a baby when you want it from the moment of conception, but a baby is not a baby
00:56:32in the womb if you don't want it. So it's the same concept, right? If I'm choosing this and I'm happy
00:56:37and joyful about this experience, then it's an empowering and liberating thing. But if I'm not
00:56:42quite sure how I feel about it or I'm not quite sure if it's going to impact my life in a positive
00:56:46or negative way, then I don't look at it so positively when that's such a dangerous,
00:56:52slippery slope to go down because it is an angel and anal sex, I guess. Yeah. I mean,
00:56:57it allows us to manipulate reality to the point that we can't even answer the question. What is a
00:57:00woman anymore in our culture? Right? Because it depends. Everything depends. And it all comes back
00:57:04to this malignant narcissism of the God of self and what happened when we completely removed God from
00:57:09society as the objective moral tone setter to allow for our own internal compass. That's often
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00:58:21most conservative generation ever? I did. I did. I did not get a lot of love for
00:58:25that in the conservative world. I'll tell you that. But lo and behold, we're on an interesting
00:58:28trajectory in that direction. Talk me through the trajectory. Yeah. You know, I was so privileged
00:58:34as my career shifted away from what I thought it was going to be, which was going to be medicine,
00:58:38to befriending a young man when I was in college named Charlie Kirk. And Charlie came unspoke on my
00:58:44college campus after I went to one of the very first ever Turning Point USA conferences for young women
00:58:49called the Young Women's Leadership Summit here in Texas in 2017. And this was before like the era of
00:58:55tabling events on college campuses and big speakers on campus. A handful of people were doing it at the
00:59:00time, like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro. But Charlie really wanted to try doing it. And
00:59:05we'd become friends over the past few months after I attended that first conference. So he came and spoke
00:59:09on my campus in 2018 when I was still a student. And shortly thereafter, when I graduated, offered me a
00:59:15job at Turning Point USA to be one of their first ever contributors, which is basically like a content
00:59:19creator or one of their media faces. And basically told me, yeah, you're not going to medical school.
00:59:25You shouldn't work under fluorescent lights. You're meant to do something different with your life and
00:59:28you should come try it out for a couple of years and see what happens. And because of that,
00:59:32I spent hundreds of hours on college campuses all over America over the next few years. And in the
00:59:38digital space, especially during COVID, seeing what young people were talking about. And I'd been taught
00:59:44early on in this world of politics that politics is always downstream from culture. If you want to
00:59:48understand what's going to happen politically in the next five to 10 years, don't look at what bills
00:59:51they're talking about on Capitol Hill or the guy that's running for president. That's important.
00:59:55But really where you can predict where things are going to go in the country is what people are
00:59:59talking about outside of politics, who they're dating. Are they going to church on Sunday morning?
01:00:03What food are they eating? What TV shows are they watching? The normalization of culture there
01:00:07eventually trickles down into the bills on Capitol Hill and the guy who's sitting in the Oval Office.
01:00:12So spending so much time on campus, I started to see young people, as you kind of alluded to earlier,
01:00:17embrace this radical rejection of everything that came before us. But it just so happens that to be
01:00:23punk rock and radically countercultural in our generation is not to cover your body in a million
01:00:28tattoos and spike your hair and sing in a punk rock band. It's to be super conservative and very,
01:00:33very traditional in your cultural values. Politics aside, to learn for something like marriage and want to
01:00:39have children, which are the number one and number two political priorities for young men under 45 today,
01:00:45as they cite in a recent Pew Research poll that just came out a few weeks ago, to eat real food,
01:00:50to move out of the big cities and to do the homesteading thing, which is like now the biggest
01:00:55craze on social media. I see it every day to reject mainstream media because largely it is propaganda.
01:01:00And instead to question things and go through self academic discovery and read as many books as you
01:01:05can and listen to great podcasts with people like Jordan Peterson. And so I saw all of this happening
01:01:09from 2019 on on college campuses. And something just told me this is going to eventually breed an
01:01:16independent politically thinking generation that's not going to buy the idea that you have to be a
01:01:20leftist when you're under 50 years old, because that's just what young people do. There's been this
01:01:25old saying in Washington for a long time that if you're not a liberal when you're 20, then you have
01:01:29no heart. But if you're not a conservative by the time you're 50, then you have no brains. And everyone
01:01:34goes, ha ha ha. So funny. Once you pay more in taxes, eventually you'll become a conservative.
01:01:38But I think people like Charlie Kirk really saw a larger writing on the wall and working at Turning
01:01:43Point. I saw that as well, that this ultimately has to be about so much more than just tax policy
01:01:48and how much you're sending to the government, which is abysmal, by the way. It's horrifying reading what
01:01:52your taxes are paying for. This has to be about the family and pursuit of moral goodness in society
01:01:57and how we care for our neighbor. And what do we believe in? Are we still one nation under God? Can
01:02:02we still build our own American dream? What does that even mean? What is our identity as a country?
01:02:07And as our generation started asking that in real time, it started to look pretty culturally
01:02:11conservative. So long story short, I wrote a book about it that came out in the spring of 2024
01:02:16called The End of the Alphabet: How Gen Z Can Save America. And I was on Fox News and all the Sirius
01:02:22XM radio stations and all that promoting my book. And quite literally, everyone basically laughed me
01:02:27off set. And they said, yeah, it's a nice pipe dream. But Gen Z has like 37 genders and rainbow
01:02:32hair. And there's just no way. Cute story, kid. That's nice. Lo and behold, come November of 2024,
01:02:38it was largely young men under 35 that decisively delivered President Trump back to the White House
01:02:43and have completely confused the political ruling class in Washington, D.C. No one knows what to do
01:02:49with Gen Z. But it's not just men. Young women as well from 2020 to 2024 shifted 11 points away from
01:02:56the Democrat Party toward Donald Trump, the person they're supposed to fear the most in the world,
01:03:01even in an election where they were told you have to vote with someone who shares your biology.
01:03:05They didn't overwhelmingly do that. Well, it's that I saw a chart where the points difference of women's
01:03:13skewing way to the left. Yeah, I've seen it a lot the last couple of days.
01:03:16But is that what to make of it? Yeah. Is that is that incorrect? Is that just not factoring for
01:03:23the year? Here it is. No, it's correct. Young women have become much more liberal. Young men,
01:03:28not so much political ideology of U.S. 18 to 29 year olds by gender. The ideology gap has more than
01:03:35doubled from 12 points in 1999 to 23 points in 2023. It is starting to come back down. You can see it
01:03:42peaked at nearly 30. Yeah. So women peaked at nearly plus 30 from zero. Men have stayed remarkably still
01:03:51and actually moved a little bit left, I suppose, but have stayed pretty much bang on. And yeah,
01:03:56it's now 23 points, a 23 point difference between the two. Are you saying that if you extend that out
01:04:02by another two and a half years, you see that come back down again? If people still have the courage to
01:04:06direct their attention to young women. Where I get concerned is that there's a lot of people, especially in the
01:04:12political establishment ruling class of the right that look at this chart and they say, okay, we can
01:04:16give up on young women. There's no opportunity for hope. It's written in the sand. We're just done at
01:04:21this point. And that's obviously not true. I mean, young women are sitting at the same amount of liberal
01:04:25roughly today as they were a decade ago. That is a massive change in a very short period of time
01:04:30from 2020 on, largely because I think we're starting to see the exposure of how insane the modern feminist
01:04:37movement has gotten by having to create something progressive, even if you don't actually need to.
01:04:43But I think as more young women are waking up to this and again, zooming out from politics back toward the cultural
01:04:48front, starting to ask, do I want to get married? Do I want to have children? Pretty culturally conservative
01:04:54questions. Why am I taking this pharmaceutical pill called the birth control pill for the last 10 years?
01:04:59Because all of my doctors told me I had to, when it makes me fat and depressed and absolutely have no libido
01:05:05or sexual interest in the person that I'm dating, maybe this isn't as good for me as I thought. And
01:05:09you're watching young women everywhere quit the pill, which I think is incredible. They're making these
01:05:13culturally conservative decisions that I do think will trickle down politically, but only if we are willing
01:05:19as a society culturally to engage with young women on young women subjects today.
01:05:24I wonder whether from an evolutionary psychology perspective, looking at the changes that you see,
01:05:30way more wobbles. I know I'd like to roll it back a little bit further as well. So many more wobbles in
01:05:35what women believe in terms of how much they change. Now, yes, they were left-leaning. That makes kind of
01:05:40sense. If you think about the nurturing side of women, empathy being prioritized, that makes sense.
01:05:45However, the fact that there's much more variability, I think might be due to this mimetic thing that we
01:05:50were talking about before. That's basically a nationwide chart showing the lunch table.
01:05:55Yep.
01:05:55But it's just the female side of the lunch table. But the male lunch tables were inherently less
01:06:01mimetic in any case, so there's less movement. Does that make sense? So basically men are staying
01:06:05flatter, not necessarily because they're any more rational, but because they're less likely to be at
01:06:11the mercy of mimetic spirals.
01:06:12I think men are inherently a lot more intrinsically skeptical of things. And they hear something and
01:06:18they think, yeah, that might be true. I don't know. Let me go do a bunch of research about it.
01:06:22Whereas you're right, women are built for empathy. We are emotion-driven first creatures,
01:06:27which is not a bad thing. I think it's often really tempting for people from the right to attack
01:06:31empathy as this really horrible vehicle that's destroying society. And we should all do the facts
01:06:37don't care about your feelings thing, which all respect to my friend Ben has worked really well
01:06:41with millennials and with men is not working with young women right now.
01:06:44Feelings don't care about your facts.
01:06:45Because feelings and facts don't have to be divorced from each other is the point that I
01:06:48ultimately make. If you truly care about the common good, if you truly care about your neighbor,
01:06:53if you truly care about wanting to make society a better place, let's unpack that and then find
01:06:58the right factual solution to actually arrive there. The problem with young women being messaged to
01:07:03right now is that they're often having their empathy hijacked and turned into this concept of toxic
01:07:08empathy, which Ali Beth Stuckey talks really beautifully about in a book that she wrote on
01:07:12the subject where in order to not upset anyone's feelings or to step really lightly and you don't
01:07:17want to be the mean person in the room, you end up affirming things that are ultimately destructive
01:07:22to the human person and to society at large, like abortion, like physician-assisted suicide,
01:07:27like gender transition, like socialism, frankly. And you're watching that then become attached to emotions.
01:07:33So the overcorrection would be to say emotions are always terrible, right? Ignore them at all fault.
01:07:38Only be logical always. But I think emotions actually are a powerful vehicle that we can start to use
01:07:44to make lasting cultural change on a lot of these issues. Because if we want the best for people,
01:07:48of course we want them to feel comfortable in their own skin and not feel like they have to
01:07:52castrate themselves in order to experience self-love. Of course we want a young woman to say,
01:07:57you know what, this might not be the most ideal situation, but I am strong and I am capable and
01:08:00I want to bring my baby into the world and give another person a chance at life. I can do this
01:08:04with the support of my community. Of course we want society at large to not fall back into the pitfalls
01:08:09of socioeconomic hardship under communism that took the lives of a hundred million people throughout
01:08:14modern history. We want people to have a chance to build wealth and create something for themselves,
01:08:18which is generally why I support capitalism more than socialism, right? So I think there's an
01:08:22interesting angle that young women can bring to the table here, that emotions are not your enemy.
01:08:27They are a powerful vehicle that the left has figured out how to harness, but the right just doesn't
01:08:32want to touch with a 10-foot pole. What do you most agree with liberals on?
01:08:36Ooh, that's a good question. Define liberal. Somebody that would have voted Democrat and
01:08:43largely endorsed most of their policies. See, I would argue today that's actually not liberal.
01:08:47And if you start looking at most political philosophy throughout modern history,
01:08:52really the platform of the Democrat Party today is unabashedly leftist. It's not classically liberal
01:08:57at all. Look at the most perfect example of all this: free speech. Free speech is an inherently liberal,
01:09:02with a lowercase l, idea that built Western civilization. Meanwhile, every single leading
01:09:07figure of the Democrat Party is in favor of mass censorship. The last administration personally called
01:09:13Mark Zuckerberg on the phone and insisted that he censored things like the Hunter Biden laptop story
01:09:17and conversations around COVID treatment and so much more that Facebook has now quietly retracted
01:09:23and said, "Oh, well, yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that." And you're watching a lot of them,
01:09:27Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, now on the speaker circuit saying if they do come back into
01:09:32power in office, they want to imprison people like you and me, podcasters, for spreading stuff like
01:09:37dangerous misinformation on the internet and hate speech like we're seeing in the United Kingdom right
01:09:42now, unabashedly leftist. So I think it's actually a much friendlier home for liberals today, classical
01:09:48liberals on the right side of the aisle, which is why you've seen Tulsi Gabbard and RFK join forces with
01:09:52the Trump administration and do something very unique in modern history by forming this unity party.
01:09:57That said, I think there is an interesting shift happening right now in American politics
01:10:04where you're watching the right kind of grapple between the libertarian mindset and the more truly on
01:10:10offense conservative mindset. And I watched this happen learning from Charlie Kirk over the years that
01:10:16he used to call himself the world's loudest conservatarian, right? He generally was pretty
01:10:21conservative, this blend of conservatism and libertarianism. He was conservative, but, you know,
01:10:26live and let live. You do what you want to do in your house. I'm going to do what I'm going to do in
01:10:29my house. And after he got married and had children, he saw the world in a completely different way,
01:10:34where our society desperately depends on strong young men and beautiful young women
01:10:40going on offense to preserve our culture. And one of the most important things that we need to
01:10:44be fighting for is the family. Turning Point USA recently became very, very in the front of the
01:10:50news cycle on the conservative business front before Charlie was killed by offering their employees
01:10:56six months paid maternity leave, which is unmatched anywhere in the conservative media or activism world.
01:11:02And I think something like that has generally been championed by liberals,
01:11:05maybe not the Democrat Party quite as much. I think there's a lot of nuance there,
01:11:09but promoting the family above a paycheck is hugely important. And I think the right needs to embrace
01:11:14that a lot more. So what do you agree with the other side on?
01:11:17Yeah. Promoting the idea that not everything is ultimately about profit.
01:11:21And I think it can often be low hanging fruit to say that that is the way that it is, right? Free
01:11:26markets are the most important thing in the world. Capitalism is the most important thing in the world.
01:11:30Unfortunately, we have seen capitalism not really become a free market anymore. It's this very
01:11:34entwined, gross, deep state web with a lot of people in politics as well. We don't really live
01:11:40in a truly capitalist society anymore. But J.D. Vance said this really powerfully as our vice president
01:11:47at the March for Life in January. And this is not historically like a conservative thing to say,
01:11:52but it stopped me in my tracks. In his speech, he said,
01:11:55"A cubicle and a computer screen will never love you back the way that your children do."
01:12:00And we need to be building systems and policies in our country today that make it easier for young
01:12:04people to choose the latter, maybe not abandon the former.
01:12:07Is that not a standard conservative talking point?
01:12:09Not historically, by any means.
01:12:11Because economic engine would be most...
01:12:13Yes.
01:12:13But surely family would have been prioritized ahead of economic engine.
01:12:16Sure. At the personal level, at the household level, probably not in the policy level. And so I'm
01:12:21excited to see a lot more interesting policy discussions happening across the aisle in D.C.
01:12:25right now about promoting the family above anything else. J.D. Vance, when he was a senator,
01:12:29before he became the vice president, introduced a bill to make childbirth-free in America,
01:12:34that insurance companies...
01:12:35You have to pay to give both?
01:12:36Oh, yeah. A lot of money.
01:12:38How expensive?
01:12:38A lot of money.
01:12:39How expensive is giving both?
01:12:41Would it be 25K if we didn't have insurance? And how much is it with insurance?
01:12:46A couple thousand dollars usually.
01:12:47Four to eight usually.
01:12:51Are you fucking kidding me? I wish.
01:12:53Nope.
01:12:54It's 25 grand?
01:12:55Yes.
01:12:55It's 25 grand to have a baby?
01:12:57Yes.
01:12:57Yes.
01:12:58Jesus Christ.
01:12:59So...
01:12:59I brought my own from home. I'm not supposed to pay for something I'm giving to you.
01:13:03That's Chris's birth control.
01:13:05Yeah, I know. Yeah, it is.
01:13:06Tell him the number.
01:13:0725 grand.
01:13:08It's a powerful number.
01:13:09Do you take pounds?
01:13:10Exactly. But that's what's been used to dissuade people from embracing the family,
01:13:15right? Because it's too expensive.
01:13:16It's not available to me.
01:13:18It's not something I should pursue.
01:13:19Because companies generally have been the driving machine behind the Republican Party
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01:13:26It's the idea of capitalism rules all.
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01:14:45Do you think that we should have socialized healthcare?
01:14:47No.
01:14:49Do you think that we should have freely available healthcare to anyone who can't afford it?
01:14:52We already do.
01:14:53I don't know how it works in this.
01:14:54It is illegal in America to walk into an emergency room no matter who you are or your
01:14:58ability to pay, whether you are a citizen or not, whether you have insurance or not,
01:15:01and be turned away.
01:15:02Everyone has to be treated regardless of their ability to pay in an emergency room.
01:15:05Is the number one reason for bankruptcy in America not medical bills?
01:15:10Sure.
01:15:10I'm not trying to say that healthcare isn't expensive.
01:15:12It is wildly expensive in our culture today, but largely the driving force—
01:15:16Being able to get healthcare but then be bankrupted by it doesn't mean that you're not given it.
01:15:22Like, yeah, you were given it up front, but the bill is going to come due on the back end.
01:15:26And if you can't pay the bill for something that you got hit.
01:15:29I remember when I first ever came to America, I went and did this ghost tour around New Orleans.
01:15:33And the guy that came and gave me this tour was this very nice, very New Orleans-y, spooky,
01:15:38my mum was a Wiccan type guy.
01:15:41And it was great.
01:15:41And I tipped him at the end and I was with a friend and we thought it was really wonderful.
01:15:45It's New Orleans, so I'm anxious to see where this story goes.
01:15:49He was explaining to me about how it works with the medical industry over here and health insurance.
01:15:55And obviously, I come from the UK where nobody even thinks twice about it.
01:15:58The NHS, slow and fat and glumbering as it is, you will get looked after and you will not pay for it.
01:16:04Obviously, you pay your taxes, etc.
01:16:06But he said, I've got two cracked teeth at the moment, so thank you for tipping.
01:16:11So I've got two cracked teeth and they're really, really painful and they're keeping me up at night.
01:16:14And I said, well, why don't you get them fixed?
01:16:16And he said, well, it's going to be really expensive.
01:16:18And my girlfriend has got some other thing that's going on that's really serious.
01:16:22And she can't afford it either.
01:16:24And he told me this line.
01:16:25He said, dude, if you get hit by a bus, you better walk it off.
01:16:30And that really struck me because I thought, oh, that's fucking barbaric.
01:16:34Like, for someone coming from the UK, and this has to contribute as well to the homeless problem,
01:16:40that so many of the people that get swept up by psychiatric care in the UK,
01:16:46that happens before they get to the shuffling, talking to yourself, shouting at lampposts stage
01:16:52that so many homeless people in America get to.
01:16:56And it's, it really is distressing to see, to look at a country that I really, really love.
01:17:01And I'm very glad that I came to like, just so many people have fallen through the cracks
01:17:09in that way that simply hasn't happened in the UK.
01:17:13We have access to just as good drugs.
01:17:15Yes.
01:17:16Like the drugs are just as fun.
01:17:17And I tried a lot of them.
01:17:18But people in the UK are paying for this in a different way.
01:17:21I mean, there's a lot to unpack here.
01:17:22So I want to get to all of that.
01:17:23And I do want to come back to the UK.
01:17:25First and foremost, that's exactly this problem of affordability and accessibility.
01:17:28Why programs like Medicaid exist, right?
01:17:30It's for low income individuals who otherwise wouldn't have access to health care.
01:17:34That was what was supposed to be addressed by Obamacare.
01:17:36But obviously that problem has not really been fixed.
01:17:38And I don't know where we go from here as a country on that.
01:17:41We'll see throughout my lifetime if it ever gets addressed.
01:17:43Unfortunately, we have so much rampant fraud in programs like Medicaid
01:17:47that those dollars aren't actually going to help people that desperately need our help.
01:17:51Those people experiencing homelessness are veterans that are
01:17:54often living on the street.
01:17:55People like the guy you met in New Orleans.
01:17:57Instead, as we're watching with our friends,
01:17:59Nick Shirley and company exposing all of this on social media,
01:18:02a lot of that taxpayer money that is going for the right thing
01:18:05is instead lining the pockets of people who are buying
01:18:07gazillion dollar sports cars and sending that money overseas to other countries.
01:18:10That is a huge problem and it needs to be addressed.
01:18:14On the concept of affordability, I am not in any way attempting to say that health care is
01:18:18cheap or readily financially accessible to everyone in America by any means.
01:18:22A large portion of the problem here is that we don't actually have a free market
01:18:26of health care available to people.
01:18:28When you show up at the doctor, whether it's for a major surgery that you've had plans for months
01:18:32or the emergency room and you just need to be seen in the next five minutes,
01:18:34or even just your primary care physician, you have no idea what it's going to cost.
01:18:38You have no clue.
01:18:39They don't tell you.
01:18:39They don't have a list or a menu outside in the waiting room so that you can say,
01:18:43okay, I need that.
01:18:44I probably don't really need that.
01:18:45Or maybe I can negotiate on my behalf for something like that.
01:18:48Instead, insurance companies and hospital executives who are not even the doctors
01:18:52are behind the scenes handling all of these things for months and months and months,
01:18:56and then they just present you a bill.
01:18:57One of the most outrageous examples of this is childbirth,
01:19:00like the most crazy things you can possibly think of.
01:19:02And then you ask the hospital for an itemized bill.
01:19:05Okay.
01:19:05You get a receipt for your baby.
01:19:07You came to this wild number of $25,000.
01:19:09What actually went into that?
01:19:11Usually after you ask for an itemized bill,
01:19:13it gets cut by like two thirds by the time they send it back to you, by the way.
01:19:17Fascinating stuff.
01:19:18And then they put stuff on the bill that they don't want you to see.
01:19:20Artificially inflated the number and there doesn't actually need to be in there.
01:19:23Who is doing that?
01:19:24Hospital executives and insurance companies.
01:19:26Hospital executives.
01:19:27Like people on the healthcare management side, not the physicians.
01:19:30The doctor doesn't have time to sit there and say,
01:19:33a single Advil in the emergency room should be $200.
01:19:36Takes his gloves off and just adds a couple of thousands on the calculator.
01:19:39But there are people who that is their job to do,
01:19:41to keep the hospital going as a business, right?
01:19:43It works a little bit differently than it does in the UK, obviously.
01:19:47So you see these hospital execs and insurance company brokers
01:19:50talk to each other behind the scenes.
01:19:51They come to you.
01:19:52You ask for an itemized receipt.
01:19:53It ends up being much cheaper.
01:19:54But even then, one Tylenol pill should not be costing you $350 in the emergency room.
01:20:00Who arbitrarily decided that?
01:20:02Insurance companies did and hospital executives that you never get a chance to meet.
01:20:06You don't speak to them face to face.
01:20:08You speak to your doctor who tells you this is what you need in order to be healthy
01:20:11and in order to live a normal life.
01:20:13And we're going to help you get to that point.
01:20:14And so I think there's been this false presentation to the American people for a long time that it's
01:20:19doctors who are the enemy and doctors are trying desperately to keep you sick so that they can
01:20:23sell you all of these treatments.
01:20:25And you see a lot of that in the Maha discourse right now.
01:20:27Doctors don't get to participate in those financial conversations more often than not either.
01:20:32The problem is we have no actual option of free choice, which is why I think the Trump administration
01:20:37has done a great job on the idea of something like price transparency for hospitals, that hospitals
01:20:41actually have to publish what their services cost publicly so that before you ever show up to the
01:20:46emergency room, you can see is my IV today going to cost $3,000 or is it going to cost $35?
01:20:52Because if so, I'm going to go pick that hospital down the street.
01:20:54The menu's out front.
01:20:55The menu's out front or published online or whatever, right?
01:20:58And it gives you the ability to have freedom of choice so that you actually can create a
01:21:01competitive market again.
01:21:03The problem that you see in socialized healthcare systems is not always on the forefront of cost.
01:21:08It really can't be because it is taxpayer funded, right?
01:21:10So there's not a gazillion extra dollars being pumped into these systems.
01:21:14But people in Canada and people in the UK are paying in a much different way, not with a massive
01:21:18bill financially, but usually with their time that does indeed cost their life.
01:21:23In Canada right now, you have to wait upwards of 18 months for a hip replacement surgery.
01:21:28Or multiple years to get an MRI or a PET scan to confirm that you do indeed have cancer
01:21:33and we need to start imminent chemotherapy or get you scheduled for a surgery tomorrow.
01:21:37That is not an option for people.
01:21:39There was a huge horrifying story out of the UK several years ago of a young baby named Charlie.
01:21:44Was Charlie his name?
01:21:45I'm 99% sure.
01:21:46And he had very severe debilitating disabilities when he was born and was
01:21:52being kept alive on a ventilator in the hospital.
01:21:54And ultimately the NHS just decided they didn't want to pay for it anymore.
01:21:58They didn't want to keep him alive, even though there were treatments out there.
01:22:01It was too expensive.
01:22:02There were treatments out there that could have kept this baby alive.
01:22:04And his parents were desperately begging the UK government, please let our baby survive.
01:22:09Please let our baby survive.
01:22:10The government of Italy eventually ended up trying to get involved.
01:22:13And George Maloney pleaded with the UK government.
01:22:15We will take him.
01:22:16We will put him at the children's hospital here in Rome, attached to the Vatican.
01:22:20And they were never able to do that because the NHS, the government,
01:22:23ultimately decided this is a financial liability for us.
01:22:26So we're pulling the plug.
01:22:27I mean, don't get me wrong, there is a website and a Twitter account that is days of NHS spending.
01:22:34And it equates what you would have got for the number of days of NHS spending that this thing would be.
01:22:41And the NHS, nobody in the UK is a fan of the NHS.
01:22:44No, it's not a perfect system.
01:22:45It's not even really a good system.
01:22:47Nobody thinks it is.
01:22:47I ruptured my Achilles.
01:22:49I fully detached my Achilles playing cricket like a proper British gentleman.
01:22:53And that took 13 days to be reattached.
01:22:5713 days.
01:22:58What'd they do in the meantime?
01:22:59Well, we waited to find me a surgeon.
01:23:02Uh, now I was being...
01:23:03That's absurd.
01:23:04I was being a little bit selective with my surgeon because I wanted one of the best...
01:23:09Well, of course you do.
01:23:09...that were available on the NHS.
01:23:11But that meant I had to wait for him to come back onto rotation.
01:23:14And then he's got...
01:23:15And he basically...
01:23:16I ended up calling in a favor from a friend who worked for a pro rugby team that knew the guy.
01:23:20And he was like, look, there's two that are the best in the UK.
01:23:23One's in London and one cycles through to Newcastle.
01:23:26But he's just done it recently.
01:23:28He does it every two weeks.
01:23:29And he just did it recently yesterday.
01:23:31Correct me if I'm wrong.
01:23:32You can choose to pay for private healthcare in the UK as well.
01:23:35But it's exorbitantly expensive.
01:23:36So most people don't.
01:23:37I'm not sure about that.
01:23:38I know that you could just pay one off to go to the Nuffield or go to Booper or something
01:23:43like that at these private clinics.
01:23:45Or you could also pay to have private healthcare.
01:23:49I don't know what it is when it comes to cost.
01:23:51What I do know is I knew no one growing...
01:23:53I grew up in a very, very working class area of the UK.
01:23:57So that probably doesn't...
01:23:58Maybe no one was using it in any case.
01:24:00I don't know anybody that had private healthcare.
01:24:02Interesting.
01:24:02And imagine a world where you got free internet.
01:24:07Everybody got free internet access, but it was 500 kilobytes a second.
01:24:12Yeah.
01:24:13Right.
01:24:13So you get something that everybody needs, but the standard of service is very low.
01:24:18This is generally my problem with the idea of socialized systems, period.
01:24:22Because it sounds good, in theory, that everyone has access to everything.
01:24:26And everybody has the equal access to the same stuff.
01:24:29But ultimately, what that always ends up shaking out to be is not raising the floor to be a higher
01:24:35floor for everyone.
01:24:36It's dropping the ceiling down to make sure that no one can break through that ceiling.
01:24:41You do still have the option to then go and pay for it to be private.
01:24:44So I think...
01:24:44Sure.
01:24:45So, but that just defeats the whole purpose, right?
01:24:47If the socialized system was working well, you wouldn't need the ability to do that.
01:24:51I think the reason that it's used in the way it is, is that it sweeps up the people
01:24:55who are toward the bottom end of the distribution.
01:24:57Right.
01:24:57Which is exactly what I'm saying.
01:24:58Programs like Medicaid are supposed to be covering, and they're just not,
01:25:01because our programs are being completely hijacked by people.
01:25:03It seems inefficient, et cetera, et cetera.
01:25:05Too much government bureaucracy.
01:25:05That kind of is the American dream, in some ways.
01:25:07To be that capitalistic, that you've even managed to rob people of the ability
01:25:10to have a kid, but...
01:25:12Okay, well, actually, let's talk about that.
01:25:13This is interesting, because we talked about this this week with Health
01:25:15and Human Services and the launch of their moms.gov initiative.
01:25:18Congratulations.
01:25:19That's really interesting.
01:25:20Thank you.
01:25:21You know, I was asked to come to the launch event and just share my experience
01:25:24as a young mom, and it was really fascinating.
01:25:26But one of the major things that they're trying to let people know already exists,
01:25:30this is not inventing a new program or anything, is access to pregnancy resource centers.
01:25:35If I asked you how many Planned Parenthoods existed around America today
01:25:38and are helping women every day, how many would you guess?
01:25:40Yes, there are.
01:25:413,000.
01:25:41There's about 600, and they're closing more and more every single day.
01:25:45And most of these Planned Parenthood facilities really only provide abortion.
01:25:49That's pretty much the only service that they offer in their clinics, even though most young
01:25:52women say to their dying breath, "No, no, they're doing cancer screenings,
01:25:55and they're doing prenatal care, and they're helping you with all these other things."
01:25:57They're not, actually.
01:25:58They say that on their website, but if you go to all of these brick-and-mortar locations,
01:26:02the only thing that they will provide to you at that location is an abortion.
01:26:05On the other hand, there are about 3,000 pregnancy resource centers that operate across
01:26:09the country every day.
01:26:10Some of those are called federally qualified health centers, and your tax dollars do go to
01:26:14pay for some of those.
01:26:15But most of them are run by non-profits, and it's just charitable giving that keeps them afloat,
01:26:19that every single day do offer completely free, zero cost to the patient, prenatal care, supply
01:26:25drives, giving you free diapers if you don't have access to something like this, free babysitting
01:26:29services so that someone can help you.
01:26:31If you're trying to find a job as a new mom, they'll cover your mortgage.
01:26:34They will do incredible work to financially provide for moms who find themselves in a difficult
01:26:39financial situation and an unexpected pregnancy.
01:26:42The minute you mention these pregnancy resource centers in any sort of discourse around maternal care,
01:26:47the entire media apparatus shuts you down because they're not Planned Parenthood and they don't
01:26:52offer abortion.
01:26:53And Planned Parenthood is the gold standard.
01:26:55So you're not even supposed to mention any of these things, even though every day they already
01:26:59are providing free prenatal services to tens of thousands of moms everywhere.
01:27:04That should be the gold standard in our society.
01:27:06And we give $800 million at the federal government level alone to Planned Parenthood through taxpayer money,
01:27:14not to provide abortions directly because that's illegal, but to keep the building on,
01:27:18the lights on and to keep the building operational and to pay people's salaries.
01:27:21Why isn't that money going towards these 3000 clinics that are actually providing free prenatal
01:27:27maternity services to women?
01:27:29I think that's a really important question we need to be asking.
01:27:31Charitable giving and making sure that the least of these in our society is taken care
01:27:34of from a healthcare perspective is so important.
01:27:37And that's why I want to see Medicaid actually work as a functional government agency.
01:27:41It's why I want to see the VA operate as a functional government agency.
01:27:45It's probably the worst run government agency ever, maybe with exception to the DMV,
01:27:49which no one loves to experience. But these are the questions that matter. The answer is not to turn
01:27:55everything related to healthcare in America into the VA. That would be a disaster, actually,
01:28:01because that ceiling would come down and destroy our baseline community health for everyone.
01:28:05I want to bring the floor up for everyone and make sure that our quality of care is unmatched
01:28:09anywhere in the world.
01:28:10You mentioned Trump. What do you think is happening with his approval numbers?
01:28:14Yeah, I get asked this a lot with young men, especially that young men are becoming a
01:28:18little disillusioned with everything going on in the Trump admin. And
01:28:21I was asked this on CNN a few weeks ago, turned into quite the fiery discussion,
01:28:25because I said something they didn't expect me to say.
01:28:28The way that the media is running with all of this is they're saying young men had this
01:28:31little flirtatious moment with conservatism, largely thanks to people like Charlie Kirk
01:28:36in the last election. And now they're not really in a bed with the conservative movement.
01:28:40They're over Republican politics. And so they're all going to run back to the left
01:28:43for the midterm elections and for the 2028 presidential election.
01:28:47I don't think that's true. And that certainly is not the conversation you're seeing on college
01:28:51campuses or online. What the media apparatus and establishment politics is failing to acknowledge
01:28:56with young people is we're not frustrated with conservatives in Washington because they're
01:29:01conservative. We're frustrated because they are not being conservative enough.
01:29:05And what do I mean by that? They're not going on offense to defund Planned Parenthood. They're not
01:29:10going on offense to ban corporations from buying single family homes and prevent the Blackstones of
01:29:16the world from turning us into renters for the rest of our life, which is happening right now.
01:29:20Republicans in Congress are introducing mass amnesty bills to give 10 million illegal immigrants currently
01:29:27in this country permanent residency status under the Digny Dodd Act that was introduced by a Republican
01:29:32and co-signed by dozens of other Republicans. You're watching this perversion and manipulation of
01:29:38conservatism where it's screamed into a microphone on the campaign trail, but then it's not actually
01:29:43unabashedly enacted in Washington from a policy perspective. And most of that does come from
01:29:48Congress, but certainly I think a lot of that frustration has been pointed toward the White
01:29:51House as well. This is the libertarian versus, or the sort of step-back
01:29:56conservatism versus lean-in conservatism. Yeah. I wouldn't say libertarian versus conservative,
01:30:01but defensive conservatism versus offensive conservatism. Or hands-off versus hands-on, maybe.
01:30:07Yeah. That's interesting. I didn't look, I mean, 51%, which was where Trump peaked at,
01:30:13I think, which was higher than at any point in his last term to 34%.
01:30:17It's a big swing.
01:30:18Which is lower than at any point within 18 months. I don't know. And then Professor
01:30:25Jang thinks that he's going to go for a third term. Do you see that?
01:30:29It's a fun joke, but no, obviously that's not actually going to happen.
01:30:31Hey, he's got two mechanisms. Jang suggests that due to the ongoing losing war with Iran,
01:30:37the US will enter a state of severe crisis leading to a national draft and,
01:30:40consequently, a third term for Trump under emergency war powers. Or, alternative scenario,
01:30:46Jang also outlined a scenario where Donald Trump Jr. runs for president in 2028 and,
01:30:50if victorious, immediately abdicates in favor of his father.
01:30:53There's no constitutional mechanism for that at all. The funny thing is,
01:30:57look, this is exactly what we heard in 2020 against every single argument they possibly could
01:31:02make. That didn't happen, right? If President Trump wanted to unconstitutionally
01:31:07seize power and occupy the Oval Office forever, he just wouldn't have left in 2020. But he did.
01:31:11He handed over the reins of power to Joe Biden. And that's what the peaceful transfer of power
01:31:15looks like in our country. I think it is totally fair and completely understandable to be frustrated
01:31:21with feckless conservatism in Washington. And that's not pointed at Donald Trump. I'm pointing
01:31:27that really towards the Republican Party at large right now. And they are profoundly misreading the
01:31:31room of where young people are at and what we are looking for in terms of conservatism in action from
01:31:37our elected officials. That is completely fair. But don't mistake that frustration for abandonment of
01:31:44conservative principles. I think that's the low hanging fruit that the media is running with right
01:31:48now because it sounds good and it's political, insane, hyperbolic jargon that we always do before
01:31:53every major election cycle. I mean, they predicted the massive red wave or the blue wave every single
01:31:58time in the last few years. What's Polymarket's prediction? Search Polymarket midterm prediction?
01:32:06It changes like every week right now. So I'd be curious. Ripping around.
01:32:09Yeah. This is not an ad for fucking Polymarket, by the way. I'm aware that every person who's like,
01:32:15can we pull it up? And now it's impossible for me to actually refer to them without them. I'm like
01:32:20doing an ad read and not getting paid for it. And then being, you know, it's like losing weight
01:32:24naturally and not using a Zemping. I know. You did it the hard way, right?
01:32:27Fucking do it. Okay. Well, stop, stop, stop. Which party will win the house in 2026? 79?
01:32:33Yeah. 22? Balance of power, 2026? I don't know what any of this shit means.
01:32:41Basically, where everyone is really keeping their eyes on the ball right now for the midterm
01:32:46elections is in redistricting, because I think all of this is well and good under the assumption-
01:32:50Oh, there's a gerrymandering fuckery going on at the moment.
01:32:52There's a lot going on at the moment with redistricting. I live in Virginia,
01:32:55actually right now in Northern Virginia, outside of DC. And we have been really in the hot seat for all
01:32:59of this the last several months. But- Oh, there we go. Yeah.
01:33:02A new Virginia congressional map used in the midterms, only an 8% chance.
01:33:05It just got struck down by the state Supreme Court. So it's-
01:33:08Obviously a pretty important headline if it's in here.
01:33:13So I think a lot of this is more nuanced than what
01:33:16Polymarket or Kulshi or any of the betting odds would give you. Generally speaking-
01:33:19Not sponsored by either of them.
01:33:20The most, if you look at that top question, which party will take the house in 2026?
01:33:24Yep.
01:33:24Only one time, to my knowledge, fact check me if I'm wrong on this, in American history,
01:33:30has the same party that won the White House held on to a House majority in Congress between a
01:33:36presidential and a midterm election.
01:33:36So people always get pissy.
01:33:38People always get upset. People always get disillusioned. It always flips back the other
01:33:41way. That's just the reality of the pendulum swing of American politics. So it's easy to be like,
01:33:46"Oh my gosh, the whole country is in turmoil. We're all disagreeing." This is so normal for
01:33:50American politics. It doesn't even begin to phase me at all. Where this midterm election will get
01:33:54really interesting is the redistricting efforts that are happening in states all over the country.
01:33:58I assume accurately that I'm an idiot and don't know what's going on.
01:34:03Generally speaking, every state has a different process to draw their congressional districts.
01:34:07Every single one of them, which gets really confusing and muddy and
01:34:10not a great standard for all of our congressional districts across the country.
01:34:14But basically, each state gets to decide how they draw the shape
01:34:17of where your congressman who represents you in the House of Representatives actually comes from.
01:34:21Which is straight.
01:34:22Which is how you end up getting these weird lobster claw looking things like they just introduced in
01:34:27Virginia. Chicago has a congressional district that literally looks like a U. Like,
01:34:32it is so thin and it looks like a U through the entire city of Chicago. It's horrifying.
01:34:36But different states have used these to their political advantage basically throughout
01:34:40everyone's lifetime on both sides to try to be more representative of the state population makeup
01:34:45in whatever way that they could. There has been an interesting conversation related to how race
01:34:49factors into this after the Civil Rights Act and particularly after the Civil Rights Movement,
01:34:53where Democrats largely were purporting this idea of doing race-based congressional districts and
01:35:00trying to assume that heavily Black populations in particular areas, largely urban areas, tend to favor
01:35:06Democrat politicians. And so we're going to draw the districts to factor in as many majority Black
01:35:11neighborhoods as possible to give those people a chance to elect a Democrat. Where I find that really
01:35:16disgusting, and actually this was just struck down by the Supreme Court because that is in fact
01:35:20discrimination and racial profiling of American people, which is not great. Where I find that really
01:35:24disgusting is the assumption that you are automatically going to be a Democrat based on your skin color.
01:35:28Like, I just think that's really gross, actually. And it's not a fair election system, and it's not
01:35:32an opportunity to have an honest conversation about who's going to more appropriately represent you
01:35:37and bring the things that your constituents care about to Washington, D.C.
01:35:40So that's getting a lot of media attention right now. But red states are largely redistricting for almost all
01:35:45red districts. Blue states are trying to redistrict for almost all blue districts.
01:35:49Oh, so who's in charge of the state gets to at least begin the determining?
01:35:55It depends. So sometimes it's the state legislature, sometimes...
01:35:58This country's a fucking mess, dude.
01:35:59It's a lot.
01:35:59I'm sorry. It's a lot.
01:36:00I'm sorry. I've been here for four years and I'm not a total retard, but this country is really hard to
01:36:06understand. Well, it's an experiment still, right? It's really difficult to understand.
01:36:09It's the first time anything like this has ever happened in human history.
01:36:11You know what's a good solution to this? A great solution to this is to be a thousand years
01:36:15old and have not been invaded in that entire millennium.
01:36:17You're saying the UK hasn't been invaded?
01:36:18Okay.
01:36:19Yes, it is intentionally confusing. I think it's getting...
01:36:22It's intentionally confusing?
01:36:23I think a lot of state legislatures have made it very intentionally confusing so that you don't
01:36:27get involved in the process, really. But that's what just happened in Virginia. It's not
01:36:31supposed to be run by the state legislature or a vote. It's supposed to be a
01:36:35nonpartisan independent commission made up of people from both sides who are not elected officials
01:36:39to redraw all of the Virginia congressional districts. And that was decided a long time ago.
01:36:43They just tried to run a special election where voters voted on the new map. And largely,
01:36:49they ridiculously over campaigned in Northern Virginia to make sure that the new map would
01:36:53pass. It was very close. It was extraordinarily closer than most people thought it would be.
01:36:57And it ended up getting struck down because you can't draw the map that way. That's not what
01:37:00Virginia law says. They've appealed to the Supreme Court and we'll see how that shakes out,
01:37:04but it'll be interesting.
01:37:05Why do you think it is that young people are suddenly turning to religion as much as they are? I don't
01:37:17know what the stats about this are in the UK, but I know that the US is having a real resurgence.
01:37:23So is the UK, yeah.
01:37:24Okay. Well, I don't know whether Latin mass is happening, but I mean, the fact that-
01:37:29It is in the UK too, believe it or not.
01:37:31All right. Give me, why are younger people suddenly becoming more open to religion again?
01:37:36Yeah. The Christian revival that you're seeing with Gen Z right now is completely unexpected,
01:37:41unlike anything the world ever could have predicted. If you look at demographic trends
01:37:44throughout my lifetime, every generation was getting successively more atheist and more godless.
01:37:50And that was predicted for Generation Z as well, that we were going to be the most atheist generation
01:37:54ever known to man, ever seen in human history. And all of a sudden, you've seen a dramatic 180
01:37:59with young people leading this return to Christianity, and not just any Christianity,
01:38:05very, very traditional with a capital T, Catholic mass, usually in Orthodoxy. So the Latin mass,
01:38:11as you just mentioned, about as trad as you could possibly get in terms of your faith.
01:38:15That 2,000-year-old trad. It's a trad you don't even know what's going on.
01:38:182,000-year-old trad, indeed.
01:38:20That's how trad you need to be.
01:38:212,000-year-old trad?
01:38:22Yeah, because you're insufficiently conservative.
01:38:25Oh yes, my trad-adjacent-ness.
01:38:26Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're alt-trad. You need to be Latin trad.
01:38:29Latin trad. I like that. I mean, I kind of am already in my faith. But what's interesting is,
01:38:34I think young people are so deeply attracted to this because it is stable. It is immovable,
01:38:40it's not changing with the political or social or cultural whims of the day. This is something that
01:38:45has been true since 2,000 years ago, since the time of Christ and when he established the church,
01:38:50and remains virtually unmoved today. The mass that you experience today is the same mass that they
01:38:55were practicing with the apostles after Jesus' death, and even at the Last Supper when they
01:39:00made the first mass happen. And young people are especially, I think, disillusioned with the idea
01:39:05of being the arbiter of morality and the arbiter of truth in our own lives, because we've watched our
01:39:11society crumble to the ground very, very quickly throughout our lifetime, where we cannot answer
01:39:17basic questions about reality. My truth is different from your truth, which means my version of right and
01:39:23wrong is different from your version of right and wrong. And all of a sudden, you see humanity itself
01:39:28really fold in on itself. The destruction of other human life becomes instantaneously possible and
01:39:33even cheerleaded. We lack an internal sense of purpose and a direction in our lives, so we're just
01:39:38aimlessly floating in the middle of this mental health crisis with no sense of who we are and where we
01:39:43want to go. And as we start asking ourselves all of these questions, you then realize my life has a lot more
01:39:48purpose and meaning when it isn't about me, when it's in pursuit of something bigger than myself.
01:39:53And we're finding that through the sacraments and through the church.
01:39:55Well, look, taking everything from the mental health crisis to the free sexual expression,
01:40:03to the non-pangenerational housing, move out of home, to pick whatever direction it is, ultimately,
01:40:13the stats on mental health and levels of happiness and meaning and well-being,
01:40:16like they just speak for themselves. And it doesn't surprise me that people are going,
01:40:21well, I've kind of lucked forward as much as possible. That doesn't seem to be working. I'm
01:40:27going to try. I'm just going to try whatever is available. And here's another thing. It's not a new
01:40:32thing. It's a very old thing, but it's new to me and it wasn't introduced in my life. So yeah,
01:40:37I wonder whether, I wonder whether it would kind of be like finding an ancient type of ozempic that you
01:40:44could use to try and fit. The Eucharist is ancient ozempic? I like it.
01:40:49It's ancient spiritual ozempic to counteract the calorie dense spiritual environment that you found
01:40:54yourself in. Well, kind of actually. There's something to that of the simple nature of the
01:40:59faith that ultimately, I think the Latin mass is so interesting to zoom in on here.
01:41:03Have you been to one of these? Is that where you go normally? No, because it's not usually
01:41:07widely available in my diocese. What's that?
01:41:10Like the county, basically. Stop speaking Latin, I mean.
01:41:14The jurisdiction of where you go to church. Stupid country. Stupid, stupid, stupid country.
01:41:18Well, this came from the church 2,000 years ago, so take that up with 2,000 trad. But
01:41:22the area of which you go to church is usually overseen by one bishop, right? So different bishops
01:41:26around the country have different rules and regulations around the Latin mass. And there is kind of a
01:41:30generational dichotomy with all of this stuff where our parents were really bought into the
01:41:35Vatican II side of things of the way that we do mass right now, which is called Novus Ordo,
01:41:40the new order. Basically, all it means is it's a little more seeker friendly. The priest faces out
01:41:46during the mass. So when he's preparing the Eucharist and doing all these things at the altar
01:41:49for communion, he's facing you, the congregation, not the altar behind him. That's a huge change from the
01:41:55Latin mass to Novus Ordo. 180 degree change. 180 degree change. The music is very,
01:42:01very different. Obviously, the language in which all the prayers are recited is very,
01:42:04very different. It's in whatever language you happen to be going to mass in around the world,
01:42:08English here. Whereas the Latin mass is not about you at all. The point of you and your experience
01:42:13going in the congregation is not on anyone's mind whatsoever. Surplus requirements. The priest is
01:42:17facing the crucifix when he is preparing the Eucharist in that moment of transfiguration.
01:42:23It's all in a language that is not the language that we commonly speak every single day. Although
01:42:26at the time, it was the universal language of the world, right? And it remains the universal language
01:42:31of the church as the Catholic, lowercase c, Catholic, means universal. Church continues to operate
01:42:37all over the world. There's the smells and bells of it all, right? That kind of transports you to
01:42:43something outside of your normal operation. Isn't it nice being around something that's really old?
01:42:48Yes. It's transformative, honestly. The stained glass windows, the statues. I mean, everything
01:42:55takes you out of the overstimulation of the culture that we live in right now that is just constant
01:43:00stimulus thrown at you every five minutes to something where you sit and you watch and you take
01:43:05it all in. And it's this moment where everything slows down and you can start to hear yourself think
01:43:10again and you can hear God operate in your life again. And it is changing an entire generation in real
01:43:15time. What about this New York's hottest new club is... You know, they're doing one of
01:43:22these pizza to pews in DC this weekend and I think I'm going to check it out. There's this new movement
01:43:27put on by very, very, very sweet young people in New York led by a young woman named Kate DiPietro.
01:43:32She also happens to be Dana Perino's assistant at Fox News. Dana used to be the White House press
01:43:37secretary. But Kate is so sweet. I absolutely adore following all of her stuff on social media. She and her
01:43:42friend Anthony have started this whole movement in New York City called Pizza to Pews, where they're
01:43:47trying to bring more of their friends to mass so that you don't miss it out and you don't go by
01:43:51yourself and you're not constantly wondering, am I going to have a community there? You get to go with
01:43:54all of your friends and they've partnered with this cute pizza place in New York City. And before they
01:43:59do evening mass on Sunday evenings, everybody shows up for this fun pizza party at this restaurant and it's
01:44:04become this networking, fun, socializing, hang out with everybody with hundreds of people. Literally,
01:44:10if you watch the churches that they typically go to mass to in New York City, not just standing room
01:44:15only, there's crowds of dozens of people on the sidewalk, like craning their faces to look through
01:44:20the door to watch mass happen from outside of the building so that they can be a part of it.
01:44:25It's like a Taylor Swift concert and people are in a car park outside.
01:44:27And the mainstream media is running all these fun headlines saying the hottest club in New York City
01:44:31is Catholic mass, which I love because that is the heart of our generation, right? In the midst of
01:44:37all of the questions and all of the confusion and all of the anxiety and depression and wondering what
01:44:42comes next. We are finding a common answer again in the one thing that binds all of humanity together
01:44:48and that is our creation in God's divine image. Are you worried about people turning it into a
01:44:56self-branding lifestyle? I've seen some photos of the people that are attending some of these churches.
01:45:02Seems to be the stylists are working overtime. There's like fuller faces of makeup than I might
01:45:08anticipate. That's New York. I mean, I'm not wildly shocked by that. You understand what I mean,
01:45:11though, right? They turn religion into a self-branded lifestyle thing that it's cool to go because it's
01:45:17cool to go as opposed to because you're genuinely engaging with it on a spiritual level.
01:45:22Honestly, no. I'm not wildly worried by that. Frankly, if it was cool to go to mass,
01:45:26that is a win in and of itself. That is indicative of a culture that is healing very,
01:45:31very quickly in real time. There will always be sin and there will always be brokenness. There will
01:45:35always be people embracing worship of self over worship of God. That has been true since before Jesus
01:45:41Christ even was incarnate, came to earth as a man. But the transcendent truth of the church
01:45:48and the pathway to eternal life that it leads is always going to be there. Jesus said himself when
01:45:54he established the church, "The gates of hell will never prevail against this," as he handed the keys
01:45:58to Peter. And they haven't yet and they never will. So sure, there may be some bad actors here and
01:46:03there. There always have been. Not bad actors, just very well-dressed actors that might be using it.
01:46:09Look, if you're guided by pizza, I actually think that that's probably about as good of a front-end.
01:46:14That's how they sell things on college campuses, right? Free pizza.
01:46:17It's a good front-end of the funnel. But then I've also seen it because I went to Austin Ridge Bible
01:46:21church, which I went on Easter Sunday last year and that was the first time that I've been to one of
01:46:28these larger experiences. There was pyrotechnics. That's a lot.
01:46:35I turned up and I pulled into the car park and the number plate of the car that I pulled in behind
01:46:41said God now on this supercar. It was a soft top Corvette dude with Oakley sunglasses on.
01:46:48This is not like the church that I used to go to in the UK. This wasn't the sort of thing that we
01:46:54would go to on Christmas when we were in primary school and stuff like that. That was different.
01:46:59And there was a band and there was pyrotechnics and it was different. But it now seems like even that
01:47:08is not stable, but not in vogue maybe. Yeah, just to some degree because I've also been
01:47:18to the young adults, whatever it is night here with my friend Keegan and we went there.
01:47:24And that was a lighter version, but it wasn't Easter Sunday, so it wasn't going to be the full
01:47:29pyrotechnics thing, but still a band, still very youthful, etc. But it seems like people are looking
01:47:36for something that's even more sort of deeply cemented than just that.
01:47:39Yes. Yeah, 100%. I grew up Catholic. I kind of explored some Protestantism a little bit in college
01:47:46in my early 20s, but reverted, as we say, I'm a revert, back to the Catholic Church in my mid-20s.
01:47:51And I've talked to a lot of my friends, even my husband, who grew up Protestant and eventually came
01:47:55to the Catholic Church in their adult life. And they say that there was this growing movement
01:47:59in our childhood, really, late 90s, early 2000s, called Making Churches More Seeker Friendly.
01:48:04This was a huge initiative and a huge push, largely to attract millennials who were falling away from
01:48:09the church at dramatic rates and embracing atheism at an unexpected level that we didn't ever previously
01:48:14encounter in American history. And so the way that they saw a solution for this was to make the church
01:48:18more like the world and do the fun, trendy music and the pyrotechnics and the smoke machines on stage
01:48:25and a drummer and text church to 77635 if you want to accept Jesus today. And sure, I think that's a
01:48:32noble cause to want to bring more people to the faith. But in the process of making the church more
01:48:38seeker friendly, I think you've also watched the church, not just the Catholic Church, but the church at
01:48:43large degrade the value of truth and safeguarding truth from the world to be more malleable, just like
01:48:50our secular culture. There's this crazy video, I'm not sure if you guys are able to pull it up, of a
01:48:54pastor, I think it's in Minnesota, Wisconsin, somewhere up in the Midwest, a female pastor reciting the
01:49:01Sparkle Creed on Sunday morning. And this has gone mega viral several years in a row, but it's come to
01:49:06my attention. There are church congregations actually reciting this every single Sunday, not the Apostles
01:49:11Creed or the Nicene Creed, our statement of faith that we wrote before we really even had a canon of
01:49:16scripture 2000 years ago, the Sparkle Creed that says, I believe in the non-binary God, I believe
01:49:22in Jesus who wore this rainbow tunic and had two dads. Oh yeah, here it is. This is good. This is
01:49:28what happens when you make the church too seeker friendly because it becomes like the world.
01:49:32Today, in the words of the Sparkle Creed, I believe in the non-binary God whose pronouns are plural. I
01:49:42believe in Jesus Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous tunic and had two dads and saw everyone
01:49:49as a sibling child of God. I believe in the rainbow spirit who shatters our image of one white light and
01:49:57refracts it into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity. I believe in the church of everyday saints as numerous,
01:50:06creative and resilient as patches on the ace quilt, whose feet are grounded in mud and whose eyes gaze at
01:50:14the stars in wonder. I believe in the calling to each of us that love is love is love. So beloved,
01:50:22let us love. I believe, glorious God, help my unbelief. Amen.
01:50:28That's what they're saying at church on Sunday morning when you try to make the church become more
01:50:34like the world and that is what Gen Z is unabashedly rejecting because we already know the brokenness
01:50:39of the secular world. We're living it. We feel it in ourselves. We want something transformative that's
01:50:45going to try to make this world more like the next one and bring us away from a life of sin and
01:50:50towards a life of actual sainthood. And I think our generation is really leading the way. In fact,
01:50:54it's the first time in modern history that people in their twenties, the youngest group of adults,
01:50:59are more likely to go to church on Sunday morning than their parents and their grandparents are.
01:51:04That speaks volumes. Are you optimistic about the future? Intensely. Always. I don't think there's
01:51:11any room for blackpilling politically or culturally. Frankly, we just don't have time for that,
01:51:16honestly, if we really want to make a difference in this life. But I am. I'm optimistic about the
01:51:21direction of our country led by young people. I'm optimistic that it feels like we're returning to
01:51:26our identity as one nation under God and seeking a higher moral guidance than just what happens to
01:51:31be trending on TikTok or what your favorite politician had to say five minutes ago.
01:51:35I think people are much more deeply introspective today about the contribution that we're bringing to
01:51:41society and wanting to leave something behind that's more than our bank account, but a legacy of our
01:51:47family and our children. And at the very least, we don't have time to be pessimistic because we got
01:51:52a lot of work to do, right? We haven't arrived at the revival of America that I think so many of us
01:51:57are fighting for. And not just America, Western civilization and the decline of the values that made
01:52:01the West so unique. In order to get there, you have to keep being a happy warrior,
01:52:06or eventually you end up just throwing in the towel and joining with the forces of evil.
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