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00:00:00Are you threatened by the retard maxing movement?
00:00:04Have you heard about this?
00:00:04That's a great question.
00:00:05That's a great question.
00:00:06That's a good question.
00:00:08He looks right at me.
00:00:08Yeah.
00:00:09Yeah.
00:00:10Let me answer that the way I think you intended it.
00:00:12Yes.
00:00:12I am personally offended.
00:00:14Threatened, threatened, threatened.
00:00:16Are you like, I'm retard maxing today?
00:00:19I think is that what you think?
00:00:20What is retard maxing?
00:00:22All right.
00:00:22All right.
00:00:23It's awesome.
00:00:24No, I actually.
00:00:26What is this?
00:00:27I heard of look maxing.
00:00:29Yeah.
00:00:29There's look maxing.
00:00:30Then there's a guy who does what's called retard maxing,
00:00:33which is was popularized by of all people, Mark Andresen,
00:00:37who's easily one of the smartest people I've ever known.
00:00:40Mark real well.
00:00:42He's a big fan of retard maxing.
00:00:43Retard maxing is this guy on the internet who like what?
00:00:48You want to explain?
00:00:49Oh, I'm loving that.
00:00:50So, you know, with all the stuff about get up in the morning
00:00:53and, you know, do this and do that.
00:00:54And, you know, when you have a problem or all the kind of stuff
00:00:56that, you know, Chris covers, you know, like about emerging
00:01:01dynamics of male female relationships and self-perception
00:01:04and philosophy and he interviews like, you know, real thinkers
00:01:07and they have British accents and that kind of thing.
00:01:09This guy sits in his backyard is basically a farm.
00:01:12And he has this thing that he calls retard maxing, which is
00:01:15where you basically just don't think about shit at all.
00:01:17You just do what needs to be done.
00:01:19If something bothers you, you just ignore it.
00:01:21Wait, is this the CEO that is like, I don't self-reflect.
00:01:26So Marc Andreessen came on the David Sen...
00:01:29Yeah, so Marc Andreessen started Netscape.
00:01:31Right.
00:01:31And now he has A16Z, which is one of the, you know,
00:01:34biggest investment firms in the Bay Area and all over the world, frankly.
00:01:38And he came on the David Senra podcast, which is the guy
00:01:43who also does the Founders podcast.
00:01:45David Senra podcast, incidentally, put out by Sycom.
00:01:48We loved the Founders podcast.
00:01:50So we brought Senra over and he brought Marc Andreessen on.
00:01:53And Marc Andreessen said, he used the words, these are not my words.
00:01:56He said, "Great men of history did not sit around thinking
00:02:00about their thoughts and introspecting."
00:02:02You know, like introspection is not what we need to be doing.
00:02:04We need more action, less introspection.
00:02:06Yeah.
00:02:06Actually, Dana White kind of doubled down on this recently.
00:02:08I watched the clip.
00:02:08Saying that he's not, he is not a fan of people, men talking
00:02:14about their emotional challenges publicly.
00:02:17You know, that it's like, get up, go to war, make money for your family.
00:02:20You know, sort of the old school kind of stoicism thing.
00:02:23So the Marc Andreessen thing mobilized a big discussion online
00:02:28on X in particular.
00:02:29One sort of angle of attack that he opened was, oh, here's a billionaire
00:02:33who doesn't like introspection.
00:02:35And, you know, and I know Marc very well.
00:02:37He's not a sociopath.
00:02:38He's not, he's a very, very kind person.
00:02:40I know his family.
00:02:40He's an incredible human being at many levels.
00:02:43I'm going to catch a lot of shit for saying that, but that's the truth.
00:02:46If you actually know him.
00:02:47All right.
00:02:48And now he's retarded.
00:02:49Now he then made a try for retard max and he was like, hey, there's
00:02:53this guy on the internet who basically doesn't say shit at all.
00:02:55He just says, just handle your business.
00:02:57Do what you need to do and stop thinking about things so much.
00:03:00Don't ruminate so much.
00:03:01And he said he was a big fan of this retard max.
00:03:05So building off looks max.
00:03:06And then that caught some momentum.
00:03:10And so now the big thing is introspection.
00:03:13Like, should we introspect?
00:03:14We think about and reflect on who we are and what's challenging us.
00:03:18And Dana was basically saying, Hey, listen, a lot.
00:03:20I think the point Daniel was trying to make was that men's mental health,
00:03:24while critical, right?
00:03:26Suicide rates are way up.
00:03:27Like we all acknowledge that.
00:03:28He made a very good point, which is oftentimes getting into action
00:03:31and doing things as opposed to being online and thinking about your problems.
00:03:34And rumination is a very dangerous place to be.
00:03:37Yeah.
00:03:38So he said, get up and work and provide for your family.
00:03:41And, but when he and Mark said these things, it came across as a little bit
00:03:45dismissive of the idea that emotions are relevant.
00:03:49And I do think, you know, they have a point in the sense that I think we need to
00:03:54balance out some of what we've been hearing a lot of over the last few years.
00:03:56Sure.
00:03:57Which is that we need to think about every aspect of self, every aspect, you know,
00:04:00like, Oh, too much therapy is not, not good.
00:04:03Yeah.
00:04:03If you spend your time just like thinking and not doing so.
00:04:07Cause it feels like that's kind of the, the note behind the note, right?
00:04:10Is like, if you just sit and introspect and think, and you just sit in like, I feel this
00:04:16way and you never actually take action, then you're just literally not doing anything.
00:04:20Yeah.
00:04:20But I think there's kind of levels to like, I think it's good to, to be introspective
00:04:26to a degree, check in with yourself, you know, express how you feel, but don't just sit
00:04:31there and say, this is how I feel.
00:04:32And then don't do anything.
00:04:34Yeah.
00:04:34I mean, there's a, there's a kind of a larger, perhaps deeper discussion around
00:04:39like to what it, and Marc Andreessen said this as well, like people who've tended to
00:04:43accomplish a lot of great things, oftentimes have some pretty rough edges.
00:04:47Yeah.
00:04:47I grew up in the town where Steve Jobs was around.
00:04:49He used to come in and get roller blade wheels at the skateboard shop where I worked.
00:04:51And like, he was kind of a rough edge guy and he didn't wear shoes and you know, he
00:04:55wanted what he wanted.
00:04:56He wanted it.
00:04:56Then he was known for yelling at people who drive 95 miles, but like you, not even this
00:05:00guy likes to drive fast.
00:05:03You know, he got, you know, and so there was this site, there was this time up until phones
00:05:07with cameras.
00:05:09Thank you, Steve Jobs.
00:05:10There was this time up until phones with cameras where people were kind of celebrated for being
00:05:15big personalities with some rough edges, but for the great things that they did.
00:05:21Now it's, there's a movement largely from the left of like, hey, you know, everything
00:05:26needs to be rather tempered, right?
00:05:28You can't be a big personality unless you're perfect in every dimension.
00:05:32And if you look, I mean, historically, you look at any public figure now, like you're
00:05:37going to find, as you said, there's that dark and light.
00:05:39Those, and Mark's whole thing is those things go hand in hand.
00:05:43Like great CEOs oftentimes have some strong disagreeableness.
00:05:47They rate high on disagreeableness.
00:05:49They're conscientious, right?
00:05:52But they also are kind of high friction people.
00:05:55But some of the, like, you know, Mark and you're like, this is a good, but some really high
00:05:59achievers historically, even now, men, let's say that are really high achievers, they get
00:06:05a lot of things done and have accomplished a lot are also like from many people's accounts,
00:06:10like terrible people.
00:06:12You know, I guess the question is how close are those people to the actual person that
00:06:16are saying that?
00:06:17Yeah.
00:06:17I mean, I think right now there's a lot of hatred of billionaires.
00:06:19Sure.
00:06:20And look, I was born and raised in Silicon Valley.
00:06:22So going big is like a thing.
00:06:26Like you, my friends had gotten a skateboarding in the Bay area.
00:06:28Like they weren't thinking about becoming billionaires, but like the Embarcadero Plaza
00:06:32in the early nineties, those guys like started big companies.
00:06:34They went big, Rob Dyrdek, he's from, you know, Midwest, but then came out, he shows
00:06:39and then he's like ridiculous.
00:06:40I mean, I have no beef with him whatsoever.
00:06:42Going big is a theme in big, right?
00:06:45Yeah.
00:06:46And everyone uses these platforms and everyone hates these people.
00:06:49But I don't know, I'm, I know some of these people, I'm not like super close with them.
00:06:53Yeah.
00:06:54I like Mark.
00:06:55I trust Mark.
00:06:56I like the other Mark.
00:06:56I trust that Mark too.
00:06:59I don't, you know, various folks who run these big companies and do I think they're perfect?
00:07:04No.
00:07:04No, of course.
00:07:05But I could, listen, if I were to start talking about Nobel Prize winners past and present,
00:07:10man, the men and the women, very complicated people.
00:07:14Sure.
00:07:14Like you want to do a deep dive on the complications of science funding?
00:07:17Like look up Jonas Salk and who he married and getting money and then the work that he
00:07:21was able to do by virtue of his marital relations and things.
00:07:24I'm not saying he used his wife to make money.
00:07:25Married for funding?
00:07:27Many, there's many examples of this in science.
00:07:30You know, money fuels science.
00:07:31You can do more science with it.
00:07:32Gotta love some science.
00:07:33So there's a lot of interesting and it's not sorted.
00:07:36It's just sort of, it's, they're still humans.
00:07:39Yeah.
00:07:39You know, so anyway.
00:07:40But if you've got constant CCTV because there's a phone camera within two yards of you everywhere
00:07:45on the planet, those rough edges look a bit more harsh when they're scrutinized.
00:07:50Is that what you're saying?
00:07:52Yeah.
00:07:52I mean, I have this whole opinion, this purely opinion now about what cameras have done to
00:07:58sort of what we need in order to really make a strong assumption about somebody.
00:08:06So in the, like in the past you could just say, hey, this person, like I don't like them
00:08:09based on one thing they said.
00:08:10And you're entitled to do that.
00:08:12But I think two things have happened in the last couple of years that have completely
00:08:15transformed like what our expectation is about how rumor matches up with reality.
00:08:20At least for me.
00:08:21One would be, and this is an unfortunate, it's a bad incident, right?
00:08:26It would be the, you know, there was all this speculation about Diddy and these Diddy parties,
00:08:30right?
00:08:31And everyone expected like at some point there's going to be a video.
00:08:33Guess what?
00:08:34There was never actually a video aired, right?
00:08:36But there was a video of him beating up this woman.
00:08:39That sort of raised the threshold for what people need to see in order to be like, okay,
00:08:43that actually happened.
00:08:45Okay.
00:08:45The other one was this Coldplay concert thing.
00:08:48Like that Coldplay concert where the couple got caught cheating or whatever, like whatever
00:08:52the context of their backdrop or their relationship was totally uninteresting to me.
00:08:55But you could not have created, this was like opera, right?
00:08:59They're at a concert, they're cheating.
00:09:01The guy goes, oh, look at these two lovers, right?
00:09:03The guy is not just any guy.
00:09:05It's like a sketch from one of your shows.
00:09:07There's this moment where they're in the like, oh, that's us.
00:09:10Then there's this moment where they're like, oh shit.
00:09:14So it went from kind of like delight to shock to shame.
00:09:20And then, so we got to witness the whole arc.
00:09:22Now I wasn't interested in that, but the whole world jumped on that because it's like the
00:09:27human drama playing out in real time.
00:09:29So now when somebody goes, oh, I heard that this woman had a kid with this guy.
00:09:34I don't even know their names, but you guys probably do.
00:09:36You know, and she named her kid after this guy.
00:09:38And like, oh, it has this kind of low level, like whatever what happened between Justin
00:09:42Baldoni and Blake Lively and this and that.
00:09:44And it's sort of like, yeah, where's the video?
00:09:47Show me the video where this people don't, people then, so the press can go back and
00:09:51forth and back and forth and people kind of pick their camps.
00:09:54But I think real things being captured on real video has set the standard, like not standard,
00:09:59low standard, high threshold.
00:10:01And so I think that's changed.
00:10:03So now if somebody goes, oh yeah, these guys are sociopaths.
00:10:06You go, show me the data for sociopathic.
00:10:09People actually now need to see data.
00:10:11It's not sufficient that somebody write some little thing about one little thing.
00:10:15They need to see the video.
00:10:17The video is what actually shifts people's minds.
00:10:21So if people are saying, hey, this billionaire founder, this billionaire founder, this billionaire,
00:10:24these guys are terrible people.
00:10:26Right, right, right.
00:10:26How are they terrible people?
00:10:28Yeah.
00:10:28Show me them being terrible people.
00:10:30I want to see it, but I just don't see evidence of it.
00:10:32So I think it's just turning to chatter and I think it's just going to turn to fog.
00:10:36And then I think it's going to just go away.
00:10:37Well, yeah, I think a lot of it differs though.
00:10:39Depends who it is.
00:10:40There's different billionaires doing different stuff.
00:10:42So, but I agree.
00:10:42If someone just has a billion bucks, I wouldn't hate them just because it's like, you shouldn't
00:10:46have that much.
00:10:46Because you're busy and you're doing well.
00:10:48I think it's very easy to get upset with other people because it's a lot easier than like
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