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00:00:00going back to the the sort of inequality thing what is the state of the gender pay gap in big
00:00:04cities now because i saw some data been for a while it was 29 that women were out earning
00:00:09men by about a thousand pounds i think now it's up to 31 32 does anyone know this i don't know
00:00:14the exact numbers but i do know that in a lot of cities it's reversed and that um young women are
00:00:19earning more than young men yeah major uh metro areas in the u.s so new york dc boston la in
00:00:26seattle as well i don't know the state of austin but it wouldn't surprise me if austin showed the
00:00:30the same pattern as well for under 30s yeah yeah i think it's squeaking into the 31 32s now
00:00:37and that's what's going to be really interesting like yeah maybe you're right and we've managed to
00:00:44preference for resourceful partners has reduced as women have gotten richer there was some studies a
00:00:49little while ago vincent harinam um put this one out in his paper from like well it's an article from
00:00:55like six years ago that suggested that very high-powered career women had an increased
00:01:01preference for more high-powered men so ambitious people desire more ambitious partners yeah uh
00:01:07specifically women to men or the uh effect didn't reverse uh but it seems that what you're suggesting
00:01:13here maybe for the middle bit of the bell curve perhaps when you get to the top 10 of hyper ambitious
00:01:21people they that somehow flips because they have they've warped so much of their sense of self-worth
00:01:26around ambition that inevitably it's going to bleed into what they find sexually attractive to or the
00:01:31desirable in a partner or maybe that there's such an outlier that they breach some threshold of being
00:01:36able to talk to the normies about what they're going to you know what i mean all of these things like
00:01:40an elite athlete would would probably be good if their partner at least understands how the game of
00:01:45american football is played yeah right i think i think you can take our the gender economic
00:01:51inequality findings of ours to the bank because they're consistent with the cross-cultural literature
00:01:55the income finding is very interesting but it's matched with the cross-sectional literature on
00:02:02individuals i don't know what any of this means okay so the it is true that higher income women uh in so in our
00:02:11experiment um there was a broad uh like they they were less interested in mating up um economically
00:02:18so higher income women less interest in mating up um
00:02:24but uh in it's true also that in the wild higher income women tend to still
00:02:30have strong preferences resources yeah so that's what you see in the real world is
00:02:35like uh high achieving highly educated high income women tend to marry men who are still doing at least as
00:02:40well as they are so there's a couple caveats on that broad pattern um one thing that's interesting
00:02:47that comes from the social rule theorists is that they say well richer women are qualitatively different
00:02:52from poorer women in that they they are they are different in lots of ways and so to say oh they're
00:02:58different in this way it's not really controlled that's part of the reason we did an experiment by the
00:03:02way um but then also richer women have stronger mate preferences in general like in koryoma's research
00:03:10and lose research they want hotter guys too and and in fact things going on there well i mean
00:03:19there's an old david buzz study that literally said like attractive women want it all yeah that was the
00:03:24time but rich women rich women also want it all and i think that part of it is that if you're rich and
00:03:28attractive you're fucked yeah people who are good at people who are good at getting stuff probably are
00:03:32confident in their ability to get stuff um people who are you know high achieving i think that it's
00:03:37very like my older sister is a successful banker if she has a preference for a guy who's doing well
00:03:43economically that's like that's a very realistic preference whereas for a woman who's working at a gas
00:03:48station that's a very unrealistic and then also when you look at the ratios of preference as
00:03:54opposed to just the absolute preference i do have to kind of tip my hat to the social role people a
00:03:59little bit on that where it's like it does seem that even though richer women have a stronger mate
00:04:03preference for resources they have a lower relative mate preference for resources um in lose data for
00:04:10example so it's like plain english it's like i want so it's like um you talk to i'll put it in a kind of
00:04:15uh uh imaginary example it's like you talk to a poor woman exemplary poor woman and she says you
00:04:21know i kind of want a rich guy and i kind of want a hot guy and then you talk to an exemplary rich
00:04:26woman and it's like i really want a rich guy and you say oh it doesn't match the thing but then they
00:04:30say but i really really want a hot guy and i also really want a guy who's going to take care of the
00:04:35kids and i also want a guy who shares my same political beliefs and it's like oh man so they just
00:04:39have higher standards across the board and as a relative preference it seems to decline also i would
00:04:44say that there's the that sounds like it increases not declines so it increases absolutely but then
00:04:49maybe decreases relatively so it's like the rank ordering yeah so it's like if i they're they're
00:04:55they're maybe able to relax that preference relative relative to other preferences but not
00:04:59relative to their own level yeah exactly it doesn't drop away though it doesn't drop it doesn't drop
00:05:05away i think they used to predict that it would then it's just there because women are poor there's a
00:05:08household that we need to hit yeah and we can portion this out however we want between the two
00:05:13different yeah indeed in as much as there's a winner yeah in as much as there's a winner on that
00:05:18bickering between the evo psychs and those and the social psychologists the evo psychs won that one
00:05:23because it was pretty clearly predicted like hey richer women are going to have a reduced
00:05:27mate preference for resources and then they tested it in a bunch of different ways and it didn't
00:05:32but there is some caveats what's fascinating here is it's just people with high
00:05:34standards have high standards yeah the high standards that got them to be valedictorian
00:05:39the high standards that got them to get a high-powered degree and then a good career and then
00:05:42to work at it to get promotion and to make it to c-suite or become partner and then when it came to
00:05:47choosing a partner they have high standards high standards high standards it's like just kind of
00:05:54it's the sort of thing that your parents would understand they have high standards for
00:05:57themselves and their own uh for everything accomplishments then also for partners you see this
00:06:01with uh the research on perfectionism that perfectionists how it comes in at least two
00:06:07broad buckets but maybe three i think actually uh the first one is perfectionism around your own
00:06:12behavior and your own standards but the other is perfectionism for the people around you's behavior
00:06:16and standards too this is one of the problems that perfectionists have built themselves into a more
00:06:22perfect life it's not one-to-one might actually be net negative but you have pushed yourself
00:06:27unreasonably to raise your standard of living and then as you become more of an outlier in terms of your
00:06:33perfectionism in your own life you look for more perfectionism from a higher baseline which is your
00:06:38new one in the people around you and that happens more on average from people that are perfectionists yeah
00:06:44interesting another thing i'll say on that is that the there is also the caveat of the i mean i actually
00:06:51really would love to hear steve's thoughts on revealed preferences state adversary if we can if we can gently
00:06:55steer the conversation if i can ask the captain of the ship i've actually wanted to hear his opinion
00:07:02but there is the uh there is the there is a oh this is going to be terrible in my head but
00:07:08there is the um revealed element where it's like if you look at women now today and this is from the
00:07:15institute of family studies where they it's kind of it's a kind of a way of visualizing the data more
00:07:19than anything but they bucketed uh different income brackets yeah and in the top 20 of women like the
00:07:26top quintile uh they are already on average are dating down very slightly economically two quintiles
00:07:32of men are doing the same thing yeah they're dating up so there's this really weird kind of thing there
00:07:38where it's like um you can say in the abstract and and i'm teeing you up for some thoughts on stated
00:07:44versus revealed but you can say in the abstract oh richer women they have a stronger mate preference to
00:07:48made up let's say but then you see what they're doing and it's like oh they're less likely to do
00:07:52it so it's like what is what does stronger mean in that context but they don't necessarily the fact
00:07:56that they um on average uh uh going with somebody who's somewhat earning somewhat less than them
00:08:03isn't necessarily because that's what they prefer it's what they have what's available there's not
00:08:07at those kind of echelons there's just not much available at all tall girl problem tall girl problem
00:08:12yeah exactly okay so if there's a shortage of tall men then you'll settle for a guy who's not yeah
00:08:17like tall women are probably also less likely to yeah exactly not because they prefer shorter men so
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