00:00:00so much of what is being navigated in relationships
00:00:05is just a straight up lack of compatibility.
00:00:09I had this idea that it's far easier to date somebody
00:00:14who compensates for our shortcomings than it is to fix them.
00:00:18So if you are the sort of person that likes to go to bed
00:00:20at 9 p.m. and your partner wants to go out clubbing
00:00:22three nights a week, there is going to be tension there
00:00:25and you're going to have to navigate it.
00:00:27Now, maybe the rest of the relationship is so good
00:00:30that this slightly major thing
00:00:32of a different fucking sleeping pattern
00:00:34can be navigated through because everything else is great.
00:00:36But for the most part, there's going to be other stuff
00:00:39that comes along for the ride that you also don't agree on.
00:00:41Now, if you have to compromise your sleep two nights a week
00:00:46and they have to not go out one night a week,
00:00:49both of you aren't getting the thing that you want, right?
00:00:52It is much, there is somebody out there
00:00:53who would love to party three nights a week.
00:00:56Allow them to find them.
00:00:57There is someone that would adore going to bed with you
00:00:59at 9 p.m. every single night and wants that homebody life.
00:01:02Go and find them.
00:01:03And so much of the issues
00:01:06where people are trying to navigate this stuff
00:01:07is a lack of compatibility.
00:01:09Same thing goes for this.
00:01:11I think a lot of the guys who say,
00:01:12"I opened up to my partner."
00:01:14Okay, so you feel feelings, that's good.
00:01:16Congratulations, you faced the scary thing, right?
00:01:18As a man, you faced the scary thing.
00:01:20And my partner was turned off.
00:01:21They weren't for you.
00:01:22That partner was not the person who can hold you
00:01:26in your wholeness, right?
00:01:27In your truth, in your full expression of who you are.
00:01:31Allow them to go and find someone
00:01:33who is never going to open up their emotions to them.
00:01:35They don't need to worry about those icks.
00:01:37They're never gonna get that ick
00:01:38because homeboys never gonna fucking talk about it.
00:01:41Enjoy that.
00:01:42Enjoy this emotionless, barren wasteland
00:01:45of no one ever talking about their emotions.
00:01:47And maybe that's the guy that
00:01:48if you put him on a fucking poster,
00:01:50you can say he's masculine and he's gonna stand up.
00:01:52It's like, great, you can date him.
00:01:54I'm gonna go find someone who melts at the prospect
00:01:57of me being able to feel my feelings
00:01:58and then allows them to be a springboard
00:02:00for me to go and fucking destroy it in the world outside.
00:02:03Like that amount of compatibility
00:02:06and so much of like the memes that exist online
00:02:09are basically people saying,
00:02:11I dated someone whose demeanor and disposition
00:02:15did not match mine and my preference.
00:02:18And look at how everything broke apart.
00:02:20Allow me to create a broad rule of human nature overall
00:02:25from what is actually just you mixing vinegar
00:02:29and baking soda together.
00:02:30- Yeah.
00:02:31What you just described is,
00:02:35I think how people get more and more
00:02:37into these hyperpolarized echo chambers online,
00:02:42because they've had an experience.
00:02:45It's been a very painful experience.
00:02:48They then go in search of other people
00:02:49who've had that experience and they hear more of it.
00:02:53And I'm not saying communities where people talk together
00:02:56about what they've been through aren't powerful
00:02:57'cause they are, but what it can be instead is this,
00:03:02I talk in my book about this idea of the wall,
00:03:07like staring at the wall,
00:03:09the very famous self-development trope.
00:03:12You know, the race car driver, Mario Andretti said,
00:03:15his advice for race car driving,
00:03:19don't stare at the wall, your car goes where your eyes go.
00:03:23But that, I don't think people take that concept far enough
00:03:28in terms of what it really means.
00:03:30We all have our wall, right?
00:03:34Let's say it's people can't have,
00:03:37women don't like when I'm vulnerable, right?
00:03:40That's my wall.
00:03:41I was vulnerable with someone once
00:03:43and they ripped my heart out.
00:03:45And so now I go in search of other people who have that wall
00:03:49as well and all of us together stand there
00:03:53and point at the wall and we keep talking about the wall
00:03:57and we find more evidence for the wall.
00:03:59Everywhere we can find it, we go out and search for it.
00:04:01Anytime we hear a story about it,
00:04:02we say, here, look, this has happened again.
00:04:05And the wall becomes the world.
00:04:08It's no longer a wall.
00:04:09- It's a law.
00:04:10- It's life, yeah.
00:04:12And that's the truly dangerous part.
00:04:16And that's like, we have to stand back from,
00:04:20anytime I hear women generalizing about men,
00:04:23men generalizing about women and I'm like,
00:04:26be very, very careful of the little worlds that you get into.
00:04:31- Turning an individual experience into a globalized law.
00:04:35- The other day I was on Instagram,
00:04:39my algorithm fed me a guy, one of those little skit videos
00:04:44where it was a guy saying me doing XYZ
00:04:49because I don't have kids.
00:04:51So it was like me waking up at 8 a.m.
00:04:54because I don't have, me eating pizza at night,
00:04:56me checking my bank account that's so high
00:04:58because I don't have kids.
00:04:59It was like all of that.
00:05:01And there were thousands of comments on this.
00:05:04And I was like waiting for, I was like,
00:05:06oh, people are gonna be tearing the sky to shreds
00:05:09in the comments about how this is such a one-dimensional view
00:05:13and blah, blah, blah.
00:05:14No, thousands of comments from people just being like,
00:05:18yeah, me too, I don't have to do anything on my weekends.
00:05:23- I'm facing the wall along with you.
00:05:25- Yeah, but it was just like everyone who had that wall,
00:05:28apparently the algorithm found them and all of them--
00:05:31- It picked you wrong, you're ready to pop at the moment.
00:05:34- For sure, yeah.
00:05:35In the next couple of weeks.
00:05:37But it's a funny thing for me as someone who
00:05:40is having my first child with my wife
00:05:45who's like watching this and going,
00:05:48and by the way, looking at it and going,
00:05:50I know that there was a me that was scared of commitment
00:05:53and having kids and all of that.
00:05:55That really would have related to the things in this video.
00:05:58- Well, the problem that you have with these
00:06:00is that there is a cohort of men out there
00:06:03for whom that is the life that they want
00:06:06and probably is the life that they should lead.
00:06:08You're like, you'd suck as a dad
00:06:11and you shouldn't make yourself one.
00:06:13Please continue to do that, right?
00:06:15It's the same as women that say like all men are trash
00:06:19or whatever, like if you make these sweeping statements,
00:06:21one of the wonderful sort of ways
00:06:23to neutralize the conversation
00:06:26and also it makes you feel pretty good too.
00:06:28It's like men are trash and like I'm done with men.
00:06:30It's like, okay, feel free.
00:06:32And you allow somebody to take the route that they want.
00:06:35The same thing with that guy.
00:06:36It's like, I'm so happy living this life.
00:06:38It's like, dude, great for you.
00:06:39You'd have been an awful dad anyway.
00:06:41Oh, what?
00:06:41It's like, okay, well, which one is it, big boy?
00:06:45Like which one do you want?
00:06:47Do you wanna be able to have the counterculture
00:06:51fucking black sheep heterodox cynicism points?
00:06:55Or do you wanna be able to say that you could have been this,
00:06:58would have been good at this,
00:06:59but have chosen the other one?
00:07:01'Cause I don't think that these two worlds are compatible.
00:07:03And allowing someone to like, there's enough rope, dude.
00:07:07Crack on.
00:07:08- Yeah, well, we're not good at,
00:07:09I don't, we don't like the complexity of life.
00:07:13And so we do kind of gravitate
00:07:14towards this very simple, like argument.
00:07:17When I was single, I had,
00:07:20I remember watching "Guardians of the Galaxy",
00:07:22the first one, and seeing, you know,
00:07:24Chris Pratt playing Star-Lord.
00:07:27And it became like, this emotional button for me,
00:07:31for why being single was awesome.
00:07:33- I was like, okay, 'cause it's just renegades.
00:07:35- Yeah, I was like, I was like, yeah, I'm Star-Lord.
00:07:38(laughing)
00:07:40So stupid.
00:07:42But like, you know how these funny things get in our head
00:07:45and they make sense to, we're like, yeah, like that,
00:07:47that's, how great is it?
00:07:49And I get it, like, I really understand it.
00:07:51It makes a lot of sense to me why we do those things.
00:07:53Now that I'm having a child,
00:07:55I'm looking at like, "Finding Nemo"
00:07:59and going like, oh, that movie's now like,
00:08:02got a whole new meaning to me and how exciting to,
00:08:05so like, I get it.
00:08:07I get why we, it's a kind of survival mechanism.
00:08:10It's also a coping mechanism, right?
00:08:12That we go to these places to lean into our choices
00:08:17or to our, you know, lack of choices.
00:08:20And so I get it,
00:08:23but it's a very dangerous,
00:08:25we're living in a really dangerous time, belief-wise,
00:08:30where your algorithm will really pull you
00:08:35into these little worlds of people
00:08:39who all have the same wall that you do
00:08:42and celebrate it together.
00:08:45And in some ways,
00:08:47those are exactly the kind of people sometimes
00:08:50that you need to be able to stand back from
00:08:52because the people,
00:08:53when I want to go somewhere different than where I've been,
00:08:57the people I want to be around
00:08:58are people who don't have my wall at all.
00:09:00They're like, they don't, they're not,
00:09:03they don't even, they're not even aware of my wall.
00:09:05If I explained my wall to them, they'd be like,
00:09:07"What?
00:09:09Wait, really, you've had that experience
00:09:10or you feel that way or whatever?"
00:09:12It's like, not real to them.
00:09:14And I had a boxing trainer who,
00:09:19he told me a story of going into,
00:09:23this was in London,
00:09:24and he went into, he was training a lawyer.
00:09:28And this lawyer took a shine to him and was like,
00:09:32"Come out for a drink one night."
00:09:33And he took him somewhere really nice.
00:09:36And he takes this rough-and-ready boxing coach
00:09:41from the East End of London into the West End,
00:09:44and they go out to this really beautiful place in Soho.
00:09:49And he's at the bar, and my boxing trainer,
00:09:52the guy that I know, is explaining this story to me.
00:09:54He said, "I was standing at the bar,
00:09:57and all of a sudden, this guy that my client,
00:09:59who's just taken me out for a drink,
00:10:01looks at me and says, 'What's wrong with you?'"
00:10:04And my friend went, "What do you mean?"
00:10:07He goes, "What's wrong with you?
00:10:08You look like you're about to fight someone."
00:10:10Right, and he said, what he realized in that moment
00:10:15was that he had walked into this bar,
00:10:18and immediately was scanning for threats,
00:10:22and was looking for who's the person
00:10:26making bad eye contact with me,
00:10:28who's got mean intentions towards me.
00:10:30And by the way, this boxing trainer is a sweetheart.
00:10:33He's a sweet inside, he's a softie.
00:10:35You get him talking about emotions, he'll talk.
00:10:38But something happened.
00:10:40He went into that bar, and he started looking for the wall,
00:10:44because he's a guy that's grown up around,
00:10:47in rough time, rough childhood, he's had some things.
00:10:51He's looking for that threat.
00:10:53And this guy, this lawyer who's just boxing for fun,
00:10:56is looking at him going, "I've brought you to a nice place.
00:10:59We're having a nice drink at the bar,
00:11:01and you're standing there like you're about to fight someone.
00:11:04What's going on with you?"
00:11:06But there's so much getting around someone.
00:11:09Did you see that clip of Shohei Ohtani,
00:11:12when it was three months ago or something,
00:11:17by the way, I'm going to say this
00:11:18as someone who knows nothing about baseball.
00:11:20So for all you baseball fans-
00:11:21- I know everything about baseball, so it's fine.
00:11:23- Okay, good, you could correct me along the way.
00:11:26Forgive me for butchering the rules of baseball,
00:11:28but I assume there is some scenario where throwing
00:11:33at the batsman actually makes sense
00:11:40in terms of actually launching the ball at their body,
00:11:43actually makes sense for some reason.
00:11:45- Yeah, if you want to walk them.
00:11:46- The foul ball, yeah.
00:11:47So the pitcher just launches it, Ohtani,
00:11:51and he turns around and it cracks him on the back.
00:11:56And I'm only watching this clip with the commentators,
00:12:01but there's this really interesting moment
00:12:03where all of his teammates,
00:12:06they've already got one leg over the wall of the dugout,
00:12:08where they're about to rush the field
00:12:10and start fighting someone.
00:12:11And he just stands them down.
00:12:14He's just like, in this very classy way,
00:12:17he just says like, no, no, no.
00:12:18- I got it.
00:12:19- And the whole team stands down.
00:12:23And the commentators are just like this.
00:12:26I remember it 'cause I thought it was such
00:12:28like a beautiful moment.
00:12:29He goes, this is the, he was like,
00:12:31this is why this guy is going to be a legend.
00:12:34He transcends the sport.
00:12:36Like this is something that, you know, a normal thing,
00:12:39the team would rush out and then his teammates
00:12:41just stand down because he's like, I'm fine.
00:12:44He makes nothing of it.
00:12:45And there was a guy, I read the comments
00:12:47and there was a guy in the comments who was like,
00:12:51I'm a hothead and I,
00:12:56this is exactly the kind of situation
00:12:58that I would have turned into something.
00:13:01And he said, watching this is like an example
00:13:04of a different path.
00:13:06This has taught me so much.
00:13:07And that, what you have is a guy who's,
00:13:12he knows what his wall is,
00:13:14but he's watching another guy who doesn't have that wall.
00:13:19Who's got no, he hasn't got that thing that says,
00:13:22someone just wronged me, let me turn this into a fight.
00:13:26He's like, it's all good.
00:13:28This like, you have to get around people
00:13:32who don't even understand,
00:13:33like they don't even buy into your frame of reference.
00:13:37'Cause those are the people that are going to take you
00:13:38into new worlds.
00:13:40Those are the people that make you realize life is not,
00:13:42there's no one reality.
00:13:44There's so many different realities.
00:13:46And get around people who,
00:13:49by being around them and by thinking,
00:13:52like understanding the way they think
00:13:53and the way they process things,
00:13:55it puts you in a different reality altogether.
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