Your Algorithm is Killing Your Relationship - Matthew Hussey

CChris Williamson
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00:00:00so much of what is being navigated in relationships
00:00:05is just a straight up lack of compatibility.
00:00:09I had this idea that it's far easier to date somebody
00:00:14who compensates for our shortcomings than it is to fix them.
00:00:18So if you are the sort of person that likes to go to bed
00:00:20at 9 p.m. and your partner wants to go out clubbing
00:00:22three nights a week, there is going to be tension there
00:00:25and you're going to have to navigate it.
00:00:27Now, maybe the rest of the relationship is so good
00:00:30that this slightly major thing
00:00:32of a different fucking sleeping pattern
00:00:34can be navigated through because everything else is great.
00:00:36But for the most part, there's going to be other stuff
00:00:39that comes along for the ride that you also don't agree on.
00:00:41Now, if you have to compromise your sleep two nights a week
00:00:46and they have to not go out one night a week,
00:00:49both of you aren't getting the thing that you want, right?
00:00:52It is much, there is somebody out there
00:00:53who would love to party three nights a week.
00:00:56Allow them to find them.
00:00:57There is someone that would adore going to bed with you
00:00:59at 9 p.m. every single night and wants that homebody life.
00:01:02Go and find them.
00:01:03And so much of the issues
00:01:06where people are trying to navigate this stuff
00:01:07is a lack of compatibility.
00:01:09Same thing goes for this.
00:01:11I think a lot of the guys who say,
00:01:12"I opened up to my partner."
00:01:14Okay, so you feel feelings, that's good.
00:01:16Congratulations, you faced the scary thing, right?
00:01:18As a man, you faced the scary thing.
00:01:20And my partner was turned off.
00:01:21They weren't for you.
00:01:22That partner was not the person who can hold you
00:01:26in your wholeness, right?
00:01:27In your truth, in your full expression of who you are.
00:01:31Allow them to go and find someone
00:01:33who is never going to open up their emotions to them.
00:01:35They don't need to worry about those icks.
00:01:37They're never gonna get that ick
00:01:38because homeboys never gonna fucking talk about it.
00:01:41Enjoy that.
00:01:42Enjoy this emotionless, barren wasteland
00:01:45of no one ever talking about their emotions.
00:01:47And maybe that's the guy that
00:01:48if you put him on a fucking poster,
00:01:50you can say he's masculine and he's gonna stand up.
00:01:52It's like, great, you can date him.
00:01:54I'm gonna go find someone who melts at the prospect
00:01:57of me being able to feel my feelings
00:01:58and then allows them to be a springboard
00:02:00for me to go and fucking destroy it in the world outside.
00:02:03Like that amount of compatibility
00:02:06and so much of like the memes that exist online
00:02:09are basically people saying,
00:02:11I dated someone whose demeanor and disposition
00:02:15did not match mine and my preference.
00:02:18And look at how everything broke apart.
00:02:20Allow me to create a broad rule of human nature overall
00:02:25from what is actually just you mixing vinegar
00:02:29and baking soda together.
00:02:30- Yeah.
00:02:31What you just described is,
00:02:35I think how people get more and more
00:02:37into these hyperpolarized echo chambers online,
00:02:42because they've had an experience.
00:02:45It's been a very painful experience.
00:02:48They then go in search of other people
00:02:49who've had that experience and they hear more of it.
00:02:53And I'm not saying communities where people talk together
00:02:56about what they've been through aren't powerful
00:02:57'cause they are, but what it can be instead is this,
00:03:02I talk in my book about this idea of the wall,
00:03:07like staring at the wall,
00:03:09the very famous self-development trope.
00:03:12You know, the race car driver, Mario Andretti said,
00:03:15his advice for race car driving,
00:03:19don't stare at the wall, your car goes where your eyes go.
00:03:23But that, I don't think people take that concept far enough
00:03:28in terms of what it really means.
00:03:30We all have our wall, right?
00:03:34Let's say it's people can't have,
00:03:37women don't like when I'm vulnerable, right?
00:03:40That's my wall.
00:03:41I was vulnerable with someone once
00:03:43and they ripped my heart out.
00:03:45And so now I go in search of other people who have that wall
00:03:49as well and all of us together stand there
00:03:53and point at the wall and we keep talking about the wall
00:03:57and we find more evidence for the wall.
00:03:59Everywhere we can find it, we go out and search for it.
00:04:01Anytime we hear a story about it,
00:04:02we say, here, look, this has happened again.
00:04:05And the wall becomes the world.
00:04:08It's no longer a wall.
00:04:09- It's a law.
00:04:10- It's life, yeah.
00:04:12And that's the truly dangerous part.
00:04:16And that's like, we have to stand back from,
00:04:20anytime I hear women generalizing about men,
00:04:23men generalizing about women and I'm like,
00:04:26be very, very careful of the little worlds that you get into.
00:04:31- Turning an individual experience into a globalized law.
00:04:35- The other day I was on Instagram,
00:04:39my algorithm fed me a guy, one of those little skit videos
00:04:44where it was a guy saying me doing XYZ
00:04:49because I don't have kids.
00:04:51So it was like me waking up at 8 a.m.
00:04:54because I don't have, me eating pizza at night,
00:04:56me checking my bank account that's so high
00:04:58because I don't have kids.
00:04:59It was like all of that.
00:05:01And there were thousands of comments on this.
00:05:04And I was like waiting for, I was like,
00:05:06oh, people are gonna be tearing the sky to shreds
00:05:09in the comments about how this is such a one-dimensional view
00:05:13and blah, blah, blah.
00:05:14No, thousands of comments from people just being like,
00:05:18yeah, me too, I don't have to do anything on my weekends.
00:05:23- I'm facing the wall along with you.
00:05:25- Yeah, but it was just like everyone who had that wall,
00:05:28apparently the algorithm found them and all of them--
00:05:31- It picked you wrong, you're ready to pop at the moment.
00:05:34- For sure, yeah.
00:05:35In the next couple of weeks.
00:05:37But it's a funny thing for me as someone who
00:05:40is having my first child with my wife
00:05:45who's like watching this and going,
00:05:48and by the way, looking at it and going,
00:05:50I know that there was a me that was scared of commitment
00:05:53and having kids and all of that.
00:05:55That really would have related to the things in this video.
00:05:58- Well, the problem that you have with these
00:06:00is that there is a cohort of men out there
00:06:03for whom that is the life that they want
00:06:06and probably is the life that they should lead.
00:06:08You're like, you'd suck as a dad
00:06:11and you shouldn't make yourself one.
00:06:13Please continue to do that, right?
00:06:15It's the same as women that say like all men are trash
00:06:19or whatever, like if you make these sweeping statements,
00:06:21one of the wonderful sort of ways
00:06:23to neutralize the conversation
00:06:26and also it makes you feel pretty good too.
00:06:28It's like men are trash and like I'm done with men.
00:06:30It's like, okay, feel free.
00:06:32And you allow somebody to take the route that they want.
00:06:35The same thing with that guy.
00:06:36It's like, I'm so happy living this life.
00:06:38It's like, dude, great for you.
00:06:39You'd have been an awful dad anyway.
00:06:41Oh, what?
00:06:41It's like, okay, well, which one is it, big boy?
00:06:45Like which one do you want?
00:06:47Do you wanna be able to have the counterculture
00:06:51fucking black sheep heterodox cynicism points?
00:06:55Or do you wanna be able to say that you could have been this,
00:06:58would have been good at this,
00:06:59but have chosen the other one?
00:07:01'Cause I don't think that these two worlds are compatible.
00:07:03And allowing someone to like, there's enough rope, dude.
00:07:07Crack on.
00:07:08- Yeah, well, we're not good at,
00:07:09I don't, we don't like the complexity of life.
00:07:13And so we do kind of gravitate
00:07:14towards this very simple, like argument.
00:07:17When I was single, I had,
00:07:20I remember watching "Guardians of the Galaxy",
00:07:22the first one, and seeing, you know,
00:07:24Chris Pratt playing Star-Lord.
00:07:27And it became like, this emotional button for me,
00:07:31for why being single was awesome.
00:07:33- I was like, okay, 'cause it's just renegades.
00:07:35- Yeah, I was like, I was like, yeah, I'm Star-Lord.
00:07:38(laughing)
00:07:40So stupid.
00:07:42But like, you know how these funny things get in our head
00:07:45and they make sense to, we're like, yeah, like that,
00:07:47that's, how great is it?
00:07:49And I get it, like, I really understand it.
00:07:51It makes a lot of sense to me why we do those things.
00:07:53Now that I'm having a child,
00:07:55I'm looking at like, "Finding Nemo"
00:07:59and going like, oh, that movie's now like,
00:08:02got a whole new meaning to me and how exciting to,
00:08:05so like, I get it.
00:08:07I get why we, it's a kind of survival mechanism.
00:08:10It's also a coping mechanism, right?
00:08:12That we go to these places to lean into our choices
00:08:17or to our, you know, lack of choices.
00:08:20And so I get it,
00:08:23but it's a very dangerous,
00:08:25we're living in a really dangerous time, belief-wise,
00:08:30where your algorithm will really pull you
00:08:35into these little worlds of people
00:08:39who all have the same wall that you do
00:08:42and celebrate it together.
00:08:45And in some ways,
00:08:47those are exactly the kind of people sometimes
00:08:50that you need to be able to stand back from
00:08:52because the people,
00:08:53when I want to go somewhere different than where I've been,
00:08:57the people I want to be around
00:08:58are people who don't have my wall at all.
00:09:00They're like, they don't, they're not,
00:09:03they don't even, they're not even aware of my wall.
00:09:05If I explained my wall to them, they'd be like,
00:09:07"What?
00:09:09Wait, really, you've had that experience
00:09:10or you feel that way or whatever?"
00:09:12It's like, not real to them.
00:09:14And I had a boxing trainer who,
00:09:19he told me a story of going into,
00:09:23this was in London,
00:09:24and he went into, he was training a lawyer.
00:09:28And this lawyer took a shine to him and was like,
00:09:32"Come out for a drink one night."
00:09:33And he took him somewhere really nice.
00:09:36And he takes this rough-and-ready boxing coach
00:09:41from the East End of London into the West End,
00:09:44and they go out to this really beautiful place in Soho.
00:09:49And he's at the bar, and my boxing trainer,
00:09:52the guy that I know, is explaining this story to me.
00:09:54He said, "I was standing at the bar,
00:09:57and all of a sudden, this guy that my client,
00:09:59who's just taken me out for a drink,
00:10:01looks at me and says, 'What's wrong with you?'"
00:10:04And my friend went, "What do you mean?"
00:10:07He goes, "What's wrong with you?
00:10:08You look like you're about to fight someone."
00:10:10Right, and he said, what he realized in that moment
00:10:15was that he had walked into this bar,
00:10:18and immediately was scanning for threats,
00:10:22and was looking for who's the person
00:10:26making bad eye contact with me,
00:10:28who's got mean intentions towards me.
00:10:30And by the way, this boxing trainer is a sweetheart.
00:10:33He's a sweet inside, he's a softie.
00:10:35You get him talking about emotions, he'll talk.
00:10:38But something happened.
00:10:40He went into that bar, and he started looking for the wall,
00:10:44because he's a guy that's grown up around,
00:10:47in rough time, rough childhood, he's had some things.
00:10:51He's looking for that threat.
00:10:53And this guy, this lawyer who's just boxing for fun,
00:10:56is looking at him going, "I've brought you to a nice place.
00:10:59We're having a nice drink at the bar,
00:11:01and you're standing there like you're about to fight someone.
00:11:04What's going on with you?"
00:11:06But there's so much getting around someone.
00:11:09Did you see that clip of Shohei Ohtani,
00:11:12when it was three months ago or something,
00:11:17by the way, I'm going to say this
00:11:18as someone who knows nothing about baseball.
00:11:20So for all you baseball fans-
00:11:21- I know everything about baseball, so it's fine.
00:11:23- Okay, good, you could correct me along the way.
00:11:26Forgive me for butchering the rules of baseball,
00:11:28but I assume there is some scenario where throwing
00:11:33at the batsman actually makes sense
00:11:40in terms of actually launching the ball at their body,
00:11:43actually makes sense for some reason.
00:11:45- Yeah, if you want to walk them.
00:11:46- The foul ball, yeah.
00:11:47So the pitcher just launches it, Ohtani,
00:11:51and he turns around and it cracks him on the back.
00:11:56And I'm only watching this clip with the commentators,
00:12:01but there's this really interesting moment
00:12:03where all of his teammates,
00:12:06they've already got one leg over the wall of the dugout,
00:12:08where they're about to rush the field
00:12:10and start fighting someone.
00:12:11And he just stands them down.
00:12:14He's just like, in this very classy way,
00:12:17he just says like, no, no, no.
00:12:18- I got it.
00:12:19- And the whole team stands down.
00:12:23And the commentators are just like this.
00:12:26I remember it 'cause I thought it was such
00:12:28like a beautiful moment.
00:12:29He goes, this is the, he was like,
00:12:31this is why this guy is going to be a legend.
00:12:34He transcends the sport.
00:12:36Like this is something that, you know, a normal thing,
00:12:39the team would rush out and then his teammates
00:12:41just stand down because he's like, I'm fine.
00:12:44He makes nothing of it.
00:12:45And there was a guy, I read the comments
00:12:47and there was a guy in the comments who was like,
00:12:51I'm a hothead and I,
00:12:56this is exactly the kind of situation
00:12:58that I would have turned into something.
00:13:01And he said, watching this is like an example
00:13:04of a different path.
00:13:06This has taught me so much.
00:13:07And that, what you have is a guy who's,
00:13:12he knows what his wall is,
00:13:14but he's watching another guy who doesn't have that wall.
00:13:19Who's got no, he hasn't got that thing that says,
00:13:22someone just wronged me, let me turn this into a fight.
00:13:26He's like, it's all good.
00:13:28This like, you have to get around people
00:13:32who don't even understand,
00:13:33like they don't even buy into your frame of reference.
00:13:37'Cause those are the people that are going to take you
00:13:38into new worlds.
00:13:40Those are the people that make you realize life is not,
00:13:42there's no one reality.
00:13:44There's so many different realities.
00:13:46And get around people who,
00:13:49by being around them and by thinking,
00:13:52like understanding the way they think
00:13:53and the way they process things,
00:13:55it puts you in a different reality altogether.
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Key Takeaway

Healthy relationships and personal growth require recognizing individual incompatibility and breaking free from algorithmic echo chambers that turn personal pain into cynical global laws.

Highlights

The core issue in many failing relationships is a fundamental lack of compatibility rather than a lack of effort.

People often mistakenly turn a painful individual experience into a universal 'law' of human nature.

Social media algorithms create echo chambers that reinforce personal biases and 'walls' regarding gender and relationships.

Hyper-polarization online prevents individuals from seeing alternative ways of living and reacting to conflict.

True personal growth involves surrounding yourself with people who do not share or even recognize your self-imposed limitations.

Maintaining a 'victim' or 'cynical' mindset can be a survival mechanism that ultimately restricts one's reality.

Timeline

Compatibility vs. Compromise

Matthew Hussey argues that many relationship struggles stem from a basic lack of compatibility in lifestyle and values. He uses the example of differing sleep schedules, where one partner prefers a 9 p.m. bedtime while the other enjoys clubbing. While some compromise is possible, constant friction over core habits often means the partners are simply not right for each other. He suggests that instead of trying to fix a fundamental mismatch, individuals should allow their partners to find someone who shares their specific preferences. This section emphasizes that finding a 'homebody' or a 'party' partner is more effective than forcing a square peg into a round hole.

Emotional Vulnerability and the 'Ick'

The discussion shifts to men opening up emotionally and facing rejection or the 'ick' from their partners. Hussey posits that if a partner is turned off by vulnerability, they simply aren't the right person to hold that individual in their 'wholeness.' He critiques the 'emotionless, barren wasteland' of relationships where men never share their feelings to maintain a superficial masculine image. By accepting this incompatibility, a man can find a partner who views his vulnerability as a springboard for success in the outside world. The speaker warns against turning these specific bad experiences into broad, cynical rules about how all women react to male emotion.

The Concept of 'The Wall'

This section introduces the metaphor of 'the wall' to describe how painful experiences become limiting beliefs. Referencing race car driver Mario Andretti, Hussey explains that 'your car goes where your eyes go,' meaning if you stare at your trauma, you drive right into it. People often seek out online communities that validate their specific 'wall,' such as the belief that 'women don't like vulnerability.' This creates a dangerous cycle where the wall eventually becomes the person's entire world or a perceived global law. The speakers warn that generalizing about the opposite sex based on these echo chambers is a path toward hyper-polarization.

Algorithmic Echo Chambers and Life Choices

Hussey shares a personal anecdote about an Instagram algorithm showing him content celebrating a child-free lifestyle just as he is expecting his first child. He notices that thousands of comments reinforce this single-dimension view, showing how the algorithm finds and groups people with the same 'wall.' The conversation touches on how people use cynical 'heterodox points' to feel superior about their life choices, whether they are single or childless. They discuss how it is often easier to claim a lifestyle is a deliberate choice rather than admitting to a fear of commitment or failure. Ultimately, they suggest that these hyper-polarized worlds are rarely compatible with a nuanced understanding of life.

Survival Mechanisms and New Realities

The speakers discuss how leaning into specific identities, like being 'Star-Lord' or a 'renegade,' acts as a coping mechanism for being single. As life stages change, such as moving from being single to having a child, the media and metaphors we consume (like 'Finding Nemo') take on new meanings. Hussey emphasizes that to move past a personal 'wall,' one must associate with people who aren't even aware the wall exists. He shares a story about a boxing trainer who entered a nice bar in a defensive stance, constantly scanning for threats due to his rough upbringing. This illustrates how our internal frame of reference dictates our reality, even when the external environment is safe.

Transcending the Sport: The Ohtani Example

Hussey uses a viral clip of baseball star Shohei Ohtani to illustrate the power of transcending one's usual reactions. When hit by a pitch, Ohtani remained calm and stood down his teammates who were ready to fight, showing a 'classy' and 'legendary' path forward. This moment served as a lesson for a 'hothead' commenter who realized there is an alternative to conflict. The video concludes by encouraging viewers to seek out different realities and people who don't buy into their specific frame of reference. This mindset allows for growth and the ability to move into 'new worlds' beyond one's current limitations.

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