4 Ways to Be Less Lonely

DDr. Arthur Brooks
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00:00:00We have a loneliness epidemic.
00:00:02You want to be known, but we don't necessarily want to know people very well.
00:00:06And therein lies the trouble that we have in our modern society today with loneliness.
00:00:10We're getting worse at knowing others.
00:00:12And as we're getting worse at knowing others, other people don't know us as much.
00:00:18And that's what puts us into the post syndrome of, you know, not being a very good friend,
00:00:22and so therefore not having very many good friends.
00:00:25When people feel understood, it activates the pleasure centers in their brain.
00:00:30Notably the ventral striatum, the ventral tegmental area.
00:00:33And while they feel misunderstood, it stimulates their pain centers,
00:00:36most notably the anterior insula.
00:00:38It's not going to be good enough for anybody to say, "You know, I feel cosmically significant,
00:00:43even though nobody actually cares about me."
00:00:45That's not the way it works.
00:00:46If no one knows you well, you can't be happy.
00:00:49If you need to get out of loneliness, here's what you do.
00:00:58Hi friends, welcome to Office Hours.
00:01:00I'm Arthur Brooks.
00:01:01This is a show about love and happiness.
00:01:04How you can have more of it, how you can bring more of it to other people.
00:01:08I'm a teacher of happiness.
00:01:09It's what I've been teaching at Harvard University for the past seven years.
00:01:12And I want you to join me in this moment of teaching love and happiness
00:01:16to other people using science and ideas.
00:01:19That's really my stock and trade, that I can't do it by myself.
00:01:22I need leverage.
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00:01:25And here's the reason why it's a good thing to do.
00:01:27It's a good thing to do.
00:01:28It's an ethical thing to do.
00:01:30But when you become a happiness teacher,
00:01:32I promise you that you'll be the one who actually gets happier.
00:01:35There's a lot of data on that, but you don't need it.
00:01:38You know there's the truth.
00:01:39That if this becomes something that you're talking about,
00:01:42that you're sharing, you're going to enjoy the biggest benefit of all.
00:01:46Well, that's my appeal.
00:01:47That's what I like to talk about an awful lot.
00:01:49But I want to look at it from one particular angle today,
00:01:52which is actually unhappiness.
00:01:53And specifically, one element of great unhappiness that we see a lot of today,
00:01:57which is loneliness.
00:01:59We have a loneliness epidemic.
00:02:01A lot of people have actually written about this of late.
00:02:04The former Surgeon General of the United States
00:02:06actually wrote a really good book about loneliness.
00:02:09I'll put that in the show notes.
00:02:10But I want to talk about it from a particular vantage point today
00:02:14about how you can understand why loneliness
00:02:17tends to be self-perpetuating in your life.
00:02:19And most importantly, some specific techniques on how you can experience
00:02:24less of it in your life and help other people as well.
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00:04:22When I think about loneliness, a case study that comes to mind
00:04:27is one of my favorite authors, who is Edgar Allen Poe,
00:04:30the American author from a couple of hundred years ago,
00:04:33who wrote a lot of early horror fiction,
00:04:37a lot of kind of creepy short stories.
00:04:39I loved that stuff when I was a kid.
00:04:41I had my dad read them to me.
00:04:43Well, it turns out that Edgar Allen Poe was a very troubled guy.
00:04:48You might actually ascertain that just from reading his stories.
00:04:52But he was a very lonely person.
00:04:54And he actually wrote a poem in 1829 called, well, Alone.
00:04:58And I'm not going to read you the whole poem.
00:05:00But let me read you just a couple of lines.
00:05:02"My sorrow I could not awaken.
00:05:05My heart to joy at the same tone.
00:05:09And all I loved, I loved alone."
00:05:11The love alone, kind of the definition of loneliness, isn't it?
00:05:17I thought to myself when I read that for the first time,
00:05:20well, poor guy, why weren't there more people around him
00:05:24who had given outstretched hand to help him where he actually needed it?
00:05:29Well, I got a little insight into what the problem was
00:05:32when I read his obituary in one of the Richmond, Virginia papers.
00:05:36He died in Baltimore.
00:05:37So he was in the region where I actually live and find myself now.
00:05:41And it described Edgar Allen Poe in the following way.
00:05:44He had very few friends and was the friend of very few.
00:05:48In other words, the problem wasn't that people didn't like him.
00:05:54The real problem is that he didn't like anybody.
00:05:58Now, I'm not saying that all lonely people
00:06:00have some sort of behavioral condition where they hate everybody.
00:06:02The case I'm going to make is that all of us
00:06:05have a little bit of Edgar Allen Poe in us.
00:06:07That part of the problem with our isolation
00:06:10is the way that we isolate ourselves to a very large extent.
00:06:14And I see it more and more and more for people who are suffering from loneliness.
00:06:19Now, I'm not blaming the victim here.
00:06:20I know there's a lot more that we can do to help other people.
00:06:24But what I really want to do in this show
00:06:26is for you to learn how to help yourself in those lonely periods in your life.
00:06:31Now, this syndrome is more and more common.
00:06:34This loneliness problem, maybe even the Poe syndrome of the way that we self-isolate.
00:06:40There's a very interesting survey that comes out now pretty regularly by Cigna,
00:06:44which is the health company, the health insurance company, health services company.
00:06:48And in a survey from 2018, which has since been updated, showing the same patterns,
00:06:53more than half of US adults said that they always or sometimes feel that no one knows them well.
00:06:59More than half.
00:07:02Now, that's kind of unthinkable in the past, but something was actually going on.
00:07:05Now, why do I choose 2018 for that stat?
00:07:07It's before the coronavirus epidemic.
00:07:09Everything was weird and wonky during the coronavirus epidemic.
00:07:12You know it and I know it.
00:07:13And a lot of people were really isolated because of the policy response to the pandemic.
00:07:18But even before that, we had a trend.
00:07:20We can't blame everything on COVID.
00:07:23It wasn't COVID.
00:07:25It was us.
00:07:26It was something that was actually happening to us.
00:07:29And I want to get in a little bit to what's going wrong.
00:07:32But more than anything else, I want to get into how you can actually make it right.
00:07:36Being known.
00:07:37Nobody knows me well.
00:07:38This is the essence of the sense of isolation.
00:07:40Being known is the essence of feeling loved.
00:07:44And that's at the center of higher well-being.
00:07:46Remember, happiness is love.
00:07:48The great Harvard study of adult development, that 90-year study I talk about sometimes in the show
00:07:52that detract people from when they were in college or college-aged all the way until death.
00:07:58The biggest predictor was being known by someone, being known by others.
00:08:03Happiness is love.
00:08:04It is.
00:08:06And being loved is being known.
00:08:08That's the important thing to keep in mind.
00:08:10Now, being known and being understood are slightly different.
00:08:13And this is a distinction that I want to make because, for example, in marriage,
00:08:17this is a really big deal.
00:08:18And this is a kind of a gender deal, believe it or not.
00:08:21What you find is that women really need to feel understood.
00:08:25And they actually need to feel understood in their marriage more than men do.
00:08:28So when women feel misunderstood, interesting study shows that their life satisfaction falls
00:08:34about three times more than men when they don't feel understood.
00:08:37So guys, this is important for you to understand is that if you're married,
00:08:43that your wife needs to feel understood, needs to be-- no, no, needs to be understood.
00:08:50And that means you need to know her deeply, which means you need to listen more is what
00:08:56actually it comes down to.
00:08:57And one of the most important things that I actually-- when I'm counseling couples,
00:09:00which I wind up doing a lot, my wife and I, we wind up doing this a lot.
00:09:03Couples that are about to get married, couples that are different points in their marriage,
00:09:06it's like, how much are you listening to each other?
00:09:08Really listening.
00:09:10Now, why is that important to listen?
00:09:11Because you need to understand each other.
00:09:13And it's especially important for her.
00:09:15But both of you need to actually be known.
00:09:19That study, by the way, that I referred to before is from the Journal of Research and
00:09:23Personality.
00:09:24It's a wonderful apex journal in psychology.
00:09:26And I'll put that in the show notes.
00:09:28The article is called "On Feeling Understood and Feeling Well, the Role of Interdependence."
00:09:33So it kind of says it all in the title.
00:09:35OK.
00:09:36Let's get back to why this is so critically important.
00:09:39Why is it so important when we don't feel known, when we don't feel that someone loves us,
00:09:46why is that so critically important for our happiness?
00:09:48Why am I talking about this today?
00:09:50Remember, happiness is a combination of enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning.
00:09:54Meaning, in turn, is made up of coherence, why things happen the way they do, purpose,
00:10:00where am I going in my life, and significance.
00:10:03Why does my life matter?
00:10:04Significance.
00:10:05Now, this is the one I want to drill into here a little bit.
00:10:08To be significant while your life matters, it has to matter to someone axiomatically.
00:10:14Somebody has to care about you.
00:10:16You have to be significant in somebody else's eyes.
00:10:19It's not going to be good enough for anybody to say, you know, I feel cosmically significant,
00:10:23even though nobody actually cares about me.
00:10:25That's not the way it works.
00:10:27You need to be known by somebody so that you know they care about you, and you need them
00:10:32to care about you because you need significance.
00:10:34You need significance because you need meaning, and you need meaning because you need happiness.
00:10:38And that's the algorithm that takes us back to well-being, the reason we talk about this
00:10:42in the first place.
00:10:42If no one knows you well, you can't be happy.
00:10:45That's the bottom line.
00:10:46There's nobody who's strong enough to actually get beyond that.
00:10:49OK.
00:10:50So that's really what it comes down to.
00:10:51And again, we're talking about people here, but not just about people.
00:10:57Religious traditions really understand this.
00:10:59You know, one of the most beautiful passages in the Hebrew Bible.
00:11:03Some of you have heard this.
00:11:04Some of you haven't before.
00:11:05But if you haven't heard it, you're going to love this.
00:11:07This is where in the prophet Jeremiah in the Old Testament, where God is talking to humans
00:11:14and he's saying, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.
00:11:17It's beautiful.
00:11:20It's beautiful because what that says is there's this metaphysical love for me.
00:11:24I'm significant.
00:11:25I'm significant in God's eyes.
00:11:27Why am I significant in God's eyes?
00:11:29Or how do I know I'm significant in God's eyes?
00:11:30Because even before I was born, God knew me.
00:11:33He knew me.
00:11:34You need that.
00:11:36You need that in the divine sense.
00:11:38And if not that, you need that in the human sense.
00:11:41And that's really what it's all about.
00:11:43Now, no one knew Poe well.
00:11:47No one knew Edgar Allen Poe well.
00:11:49I mean, it was by his own admission.
00:11:51He wrote a poem on it called Alone.
00:11:53But in his obituary, we know that no one knew him well because he didn't want to know anybody
00:11:59well.
00:12:00And this is going to get to the punchline of what I'm talking about here.
00:12:03You want people to know you?
00:12:04Go know people.
00:12:05That's what it comes down to.
00:12:07That's the most important thing.
00:12:09But there's a problem here.
00:12:11There's a problem, which is that that's hard to do.
00:12:14And we don't have an incentive to know other people well.
00:12:17We want to be known, but we don't necessarily want to know people very well.
00:12:22And therein lies the trouble that we have in our modern society today with loneliness.
00:12:26Not quite there yet.
00:12:27So hold that thought.
00:12:28Now, let me go to a little bit more of the basic science, even the neuroscience of how
00:12:35important it is to be understood.
00:12:36There's a bunch of interesting papers that use FMRI technology.
00:12:42So imaging of the brain, functional imaging of the brain, where neuroscientists are experimenting
00:12:50with people where they feel understood or they don't feel understood.
00:12:53And there's a lot of ways that you can do this.
00:12:54You can imagine you put somebody in an FMRI machine, and you're communicating with them,
00:12:58and they're talking to you.
00:12:59And you're going, yeah, and you showed that you really understand what they're saying.
00:13:02Or you don't understand what they're saying, and you don't care.
00:13:05And then you look at what's going on in their brains, which is a classical type of study
00:13:09that neuroscientists like to do today.
00:13:11When people feel understood, it activates the pleasure centers in their brain, notably the
00:13:16ventral striatum, the ventral tegmental area.
00:13:19If you follow my work, you know that I talk about these parts of the brain a lot.
00:13:22And while they feel misunderstood, it stimulates their pain centers, most notably the anterior
00:13:27insula of the brain.
00:13:29Yeah, that's right.
00:13:30It's physically pleasurable to be understood, and it's physically painful to be misunderstood.
00:13:36That's how important this is.
00:13:38That's the neurophysiology of how this relates to your well-being.
00:13:42When you're not understood, when you're not known, when you're lonely because nobody knows
00:13:47you well, look out.
00:13:49This is highly correlated with premature mortality, bad cardiovascular health, high inflammation,
00:13:56hormone disruption, sleep disorders.
00:14:00I mean, fill in the blanks, man.
00:14:02You know, when you don't have this, it's going to rain chaos in your life.
00:14:08And this kind of makes evolutionary sense, by the way, especially when we talk about
00:14:11the neurobiology of how this works.
00:14:13Our brains are built to give us pleasure and pain on the basis of things that are good for
00:14:19us for passing on our genes and surviving.
00:14:22Being understood is a really, really good thing to survive another day, right?
00:14:26When people understand what you're all about and they're sympathetic to what you're talking
00:14:29about, you're more likely to be able to exist well in your kin group, in your 30 to 50 person
00:14:34band, being misunderstood, chronically misunderstood, not known well, being a stranger, that's a
00:14:41predicate to walking the frozen tundra and dying alone.
00:14:44So therefore, you need to have a neurocognitive incentive to be misunderstood and to have
00:14:51an aversion to being misunderstood.
00:14:53And your brain is actually equipped for that marvel at the human brain.
00:14:56It's so beautiful.
00:14:57It's such a miracle, isn't it?
00:14:59We're always like, "Oh no, I want to get rid of all my bad feelings."
00:15:01No, your bad feelings are incentives for you to understand that there's something that's
00:15:07not good for you.
00:15:09They're alerting you to something that you should avoid.
00:15:12And that's good and healthy.
00:15:13That's a beautiful thing.
00:15:14And it's a gift, actually.
00:15:15And this is a perfect case in point.
00:15:18We shouldn't feel lonely because loneliness is dangerous for us.
00:15:22And so we feel horrible when we're actually lonely.
00:15:26Now here's the problem, and I hinted at it before.
00:15:28We really thrive by being known.
00:15:31I just showed you that in the paper that I was talking about a minute ago.
00:15:34By the way, let me cite it specifically.
00:15:37The neural basis of feeling understood and not understood, and that's the social and cognitive
00:15:41and affective neuroscience going into the show notes.
00:15:43Here's the problem.
00:15:44We thrive from being known a lot more than knowing others.
00:15:48We have a huge incentive to be known, but we don't have very much of an incentive to know
00:15:52others.
00:15:53But you already know, you get into Poe syndrome, is that when you don't know others well, they're
00:15:58not going to know you either.
00:15:59And so what we need to do consciously to get the thing that we want unconsciously is to
00:16:04consciously do the thing for which we have less of an incentive.
00:16:08This is the same lesson that you learn over and over and over again in life.
00:16:12It's better to give than to receive.
00:16:15You read that's biblical, but it's also common sense.
00:16:17And your grandma taught you that.
00:16:19Give the thing that you actually want to get.
00:16:22If you're at a dinner party and you want people to listen to your point of view, listen to
00:16:26their point of view.
00:16:27If you're having an argument with your spouse and you don't want it to become really, really
00:16:31bitter, then don't do the things that will actually make it better.
00:16:35Guess what?
00:16:36Everything goes better.
00:16:37Give the thing that you want to get.
00:16:39That's a good rule in life.
00:16:40And this is really a case in point.
00:16:42Work to know other people and then you will be known.
00:16:46But that's hard because of this dislocation between incentives.
00:16:52We want to have the thing, but we don't have very much of an incentive, especially if we're
00:16:57not thinking about it, to go give that particular thing.
00:17:01Okay, now a ton of research actually bears this out, that we show that knowledge of one's
00:17:07spouse, if you really know your spouse, it's great.
00:17:10It feels great for sure.
00:17:11It enhances intimacy.
00:17:13It improves your adjustment to marriage.
00:17:15It increases your trust.
00:17:16But being known by your spouse improves all of your measures of marital happiness a lot
00:17:23more than that.
00:17:24So knowing your spouse is great.
00:17:26But being known by your spouse is pure pleasure.
00:17:29That's the data that we get that actually supports this dislocation between the two goals
00:17:34that we get.
00:17:35Now, even when you're trying to understand your spouse, it turns out that that succeeds
00:17:40in giving your spouse what your spouse actually needs so that they don't...
00:17:43Even if you really don't understand, if I don't understand, you know, Mrs. B, we're having
00:17:50an argument.
00:17:51We have tons of arguments.
00:17:52She's Spanish.
00:17:52And that's like basic communication the Spanish households is arguing.
00:17:56And sometimes I don't understand.
00:17:57I don't understand.
00:17:58I'm just a doofus.
00:17:59I don't get it, right?
00:18:00But if she actually feels like I'm trying to understand, that's more than half the battle,
00:18:05really.
00:18:05And good research shows this.
00:18:08My friend Bob Waldinger has a great paper in the Journal of Family Psychology about how
00:18:13couples, they do better when at least they're trying, when they're trying to know each other.
00:18:18This kind of explains the vicious cycle of Poe syndrome that we're seeing more and more
00:18:23and more of where, especially in the way that we use modern technology today, we have less
00:18:28of an incentive.
00:18:29We're less with other people.
00:18:31And so the result of it is we're getting worse with the electronic mediation of our relationships.
00:18:36We're getting worse at knowing others.
00:18:38And as we're getting worse at knowing others, other people don't know us as much.
00:18:44And that's what puts us into the Poe syndrome of not being a very good friend and so therefore
00:18:50not having very many good friends.
00:18:51And this actually explains.
00:18:53This whole thing explains this downward cycle, this self-reinforcing pattern of loneliness
00:18:59that we're seeing that's actually increasing, particularly among people under 30.
00:19:03And that's a weird, ahistoric thing.
00:19:05If you go back 25 and 30 years and before that, the loneliest people were never between 18
00:19:11and 25 years old.
00:19:12But that's where we see the highest levels.
00:19:13of loneliness today because that's what's being disrupted by the misuse and overuse of technology,
00:19:17which is the known and being known stuff that we're talking about.
00:19:20We're a bunch of Edgar Allen Poe's.
00:19:22That's what the misuse of technology is actually getting us.
00:19:26So here's the question.
00:19:27How do we get out?
00:19:28How do we get out of it?
00:19:29Now, there's a lot of things in life that put us in a downward cycle, a self-reinforcing
00:19:36negative pattern in life.
00:19:38Homelessness, for example, is a classic case of a policy and social problem that we see
00:19:42that tends to be very self-reinforcing.
00:19:44If you're homeless, it's hard to get out of homelessness because to be not homeless, you
00:19:48need a place to stay and you need a job and a way to support yourself.
00:19:51But if you're living outside, it's very, very difficult to have an address and you probably
00:19:56don't have a means of communication and you probably don't have clean clothes.
00:19:59And so therefore, you can't get a job and you can't get a job.
00:20:01You don't get money.
00:20:02You can't...
00:20:02You see my point.
00:20:04That's a self-reinforcing pattern.
00:20:05Once you're in the vortex, it's hard to break out of that.
00:20:09Poverty is the same way.
00:20:10Once you're in poverty, it's really hard to break out of poverty.
00:20:13Joblessness.
00:20:14If you're unemployed, you lose your job, you lose your job skills, and the longer that there's
00:20:18a big space in your CV, the more that potential employers go, "Huh, I wonder if there's a reason
00:20:25for this."
00:20:26So you get my point.
00:20:27Loneliness works the same way.
00:20:29It's very self-perpetuating.
00:20:31And part of the reason for this is when you don't feel known, you have less and less of
00:20:36an incentive than you had before to know other people.
00:20:39It's weird, you know, that when you're feeling lonely and you're feeling kind of sorry for
00:20:42yourself, what do you want to do?
00:20:44It's like, "I don't know, man.
00:20:46I'm not going out.
00:20:47I'm feeling crummy.
00:20:48I'm going to, you know, wrap myself in a fuzzy blanket and lie down on the couch with a pint
00:20:52of Haagen-Dazs and binge a show on Netflix," which makes you feel lonelier, nothing against
00:20:57Haagen-Dazs or Netflix.
00:20:59But, you know, being by yourself and cocooning is the opposite of what you need to do.
00:21:03And part of the reason for that is that there's very interesting research that shows that
00:21:07loneliness interrupts your executive function.
00:21:09Your executive function, which is largely having to do with rational decisions that are being
00:21:15made in the prefrontal cortex of your brain, the C-suite, the executive centers of your
00:21:19brain, those are decisions that will make you do the right thing, but that's interrupted
00:21:24by your feelings, by loneliness.
00:21:26There's a lot of signals that you're not actually taking all the way to your executive center
00:21:32to make rational decisions.
00:21:33On the contrary, you do a lot of self-defeating things when you're lonely.
00:21:37Loneliness is bad for you because you tend to make the wrong decisions about getting out
00:21:40of loneliness is the whole point.
00:21:43That's how all self-defeating patterns work.
00:21:45So what do you do?
00:21:48Let's just say now that you're in a cycle of loneliness, and we've all been in this, by
00:21:51the way.
00:21:51I'm the world's biggest extrovert, and I've been lonely too.
00:21:55I remember when I first moved away, when I first dropped out of college, dropped out,
00:22:00kicked out, splitting hairs, when I was 19 years old, and I went on the road as a musician.
00:22:05But I was living on the West Coast.
00:22:06I'm from Seattle originally.
00:22:07My parents were in Seattle.
00:22:09And I went out east.
00:22:11I moved to the Washington, D.C. area, and I didn't know anybody except the guys that I
00:22:16was working with, and they had their own lives, and they had their own stuff going on.
00:22:19So I was alone all day long except for when I was on tour with my musical group, 19 years
00:22:25old.
00:22:26So I got this little house, I didn't know anybody in my neighborhood, and I was just
00:22:31like lonely as a cloud.
00:22:32It was just terrible.
00:22:34And I remember just lying on my couch going, "This is really nothing to do.
00:22:37What am I going to do?"
00:22:38I wish I had the information I'm about to give you now.
00:22:41If you need to get out of loneliness, here's what you do.
00:22:43You need to do four things, four things.
00:22:46There's always a list.
00:22:47Number one, you need to practice the opposite signal strategy.
00:22:54When you're feeling crummy about your life, probably your limbic system is lying to you
00:23:00and you're impairing the functioning of your prefrontal cortex, the executive centers of
00:23:05your brain.
00:23:05So what do you need to do?
00:23:07Especially loneliness.
00:23:08Loneliness is the biggest example of this.
00:23:10Do the opposite of what you want to do.
00:23:12You want to cocoon, don't cocoon.
00:23:14You want to isolate yourself, don't isolate yourself.
00:23:16You don't want to talk to anybody, talk to people.
00:23:19The opposite signal strategy means ignoring your instincts when you're having these negative
00:23:24cognitions and emotions.
00:23:26Think of it like a workout routine because that's another example where you need to focus
00:23:31on the opposite signal strategy.
00:23:32The more sedentary you are, the more sedentary you're going to want to be.
00:23:36And this is a really common problem.
00:23:38When people get out of the cycle of moving and walking and working out and going to the
00:23:42gym, they tend to get stuck in the sedentary behavior of lying on the couch and not working
00:23:50out.
00:23:50And what you need to do is to do the opposite signal strategy, do the opposite of what you
00:23:54want to do.
00:23:54When you're working out a lot, you're working out every day, you want to work out every day.
00:23:58When you stop, you don't want to stop stopping.
00:24:01You don't want to get back into it.
00:24:02Getting back into it is really hard.
00:24:04That's why you need to say, "Okay, I'm going to do the opposite of what I feel, and that's
00:24:07the right thing to do."
00:24:08Loneliness works the same way.
00:24:10Follow an opposite signal strategy.
00:24:12That's the first big thing to do.
00:24:14Okay, two, what should I do with my opposite signal strategy?
00:24:18When I want to cocoon and draw inward to myself, that's a function that St. Augustine, he called
00:24:26curvatus in se, curvatus in se, which means curving in on yourself in Latin.
00:24:33That's what we do egotistically, but that's actually what we do psychologically, too, when
00:24:38we're feeling really bad.
00:24:40And we need to not be curvatus in se.
00:24:44We need to be proactive about being outward focused to do some things that we might not
00:24:52otherwise do.
00:24:53And that means proactively going and knowing other people.
00:24:57My friend David Brooks, the columnist at The New York Times, among other places, he has
00:25:02a really great book called How to Know a Person.
00:25:04And he observes that there's a lot of people that are diminishers, that they're self-involved
00:25:10to the point that they make other people feel small and unseen.
00:25:13They don't know others.
00:25:14They're not interested in knowing other people.
00:25:16And they always speak about themselves, for example.
00:25:18And then there are people who are illuminators.
00:25:21He calls them illuminators.
00:25:22And those are the people who are persistently curious about others asking questions and
00:25:27listening to others.
00:25:27So the first area of opposite signal strategy when you're feeling lonely is to get more curious
00:25:33about other people, to be engaging other people about their own lives, to try to learn more
00:25:38about them, to try to know other people, even though you don't want to because you're in
00:25:43curvatus in se, right?
00:25:46And I think about this a lot of time by the people that I really admire the most in life.
00:25:51For those of you who followed my work for a while, in 2023, I published a book with Oprah
00:25:55Winfrey.
00:25:56And that was this incredible experience, incredible experience.
00:25:59Because, I mean, just writing a book with Oprah Winfrey is sort of awesome.
00:26:02But that's not the point.
00:26:04The point was actually getting to know one of the maybe five most famous people in the
00:26:08world and who she is in private.
00:26:10And one of the most extraordinary things about Oprah Winfrey you need to understand is she's
00:26:13the same person in private as she is in public, which is to say super interested in other people,
00:26:20super curious about other people, really trying to know other people.
00:26:25That was the secret to her success on her show besides just being highly intelligent and really
00:26:29good at media.
00:26:30She was intensely interested and focused on knowing other people in depth.
00:26:36That's why everybody watched her show.
00:26:37Four or five million people a day watched her show.
00:26:39Well, it turns out that if you're having dinner with her alone, she's the same person.
00:26:43This is one of the reasons that fame and fortune haven't been bad for her.
00:26:49On the contrary, she sees those as a gift to refract on other people to lift them up because
00:26:56she cares about them.
00:26:57And so when I first met her and had dinner with her, and we were talking about a project
00:27:01working together, she really wanted to know me.
00:27:03She wanted to know me as a person.
00:27:05And that was really evidence.
00:27:07And that was an amazing thing.
00:27:08And so when you are lonely, I'm not saying that she is, she's not, but we can be more
00:27:13like her on purpose if we decide to be.
00:27:15So channel your inner Oprah of being intensely curious about knowing another person, even
00:27:22when you don't feel it.
00:27:23No, especially when you don't feel it.
00:27:25That's number two.
00:27:26Be proactive.
00:27:27Number three, to do that, these are all building on each other, ask more questions without being
00:27:34weird.
00:27:34Interview people.
00:27:36If you don't know what to do, and you want to know somebody, ask them a whole bunch of
00:27:39questions about their own life.
00:27:41And this is incredibly important.
00:27:43So I have a colleague at the Harvard Business School, Alison Wood Brooks.
00:27:46She's not related to me, but the fact is that she's a Brooks, and I'm a Brooks.
00:27:50I mean, we get each other's email all the time.
00:27:52So I know all the people who are writing to Alison Wood Brooks, but I know her too, and
00:27:56I really like her work a lot.
00:27:57She's done work on dating.
00:28:00She's done work on how people actually interact with each other on dating.
00:28:04At some point, I'll have her as a guest on the show.
00:28:06She's terrific.
00:28:07And if you ask a lot of questions on a first date, you will be 9% more likable.
00:28:129% is the difference between meeting your soulmate, your future spouse, and not, quite frankly.
00:28:18How do you meet your soulmate?
00:28:20When you go out on a bunch of dates, always ask a ton of questions, which is, of course,
00:28:24being proactive, which is, if you've been lonely and suffering before that, an opposite signal
00:28:30strategy to what you actually want to do.
00:28:32And it's shocking how many people actually don't do that.
00:28:35How many people actually ask zero questions on dates?
00:28:40A lot of my students, especially young women who are my students, they date.
00:28:44They're dating, of course.
00:28:46And I say, how many questions do guys ask on dates?
00:28:50They're usually like, zero.
00:28:52Like, bad strategy, guys.
00:28:55But the bad strategy for anybody, people are super interesting.
00:28:59If you sit down next to me on a plane and have the bad judgment of engaging me in conversation,
00:29:04I'm going to interview you.
00:29:06And I'm going to find out.
00:29:07I'm going to ask you questions like, what are you most afraid of?
00:29:10I'm trying not to be weird here.
00:29:13But I want to know.
00:29:14I want to know.
00:29:15If you're going to talk to me, I want to know what actually makes you tick.
00:29:18Now, part of it is because I'm a behavioral scientist.
00:29:19And this is like my lab is figuring out what you're most afraid of.
00:29:23But mostly, I'm a person.
00:29:25And I want to have connections, real human connections with other people, even if I'm
00:29:29not going to know them for more than an hour.
00:29:31And that's the kind of questions I'm actually going to ask.
00:29:33I'm going to find out what really makes you tick, what's written on your soul.
00:29:37And that's super fun and really interesting.
00:29:40Now, that requires, however, listening to the answers.
00:29:43The worst thing that you can do is ask people questions that they not listen.
00:29:47So and the first one, by the way, is, what's your name?
00:29:49And then one second later, you don't remember.
00:29:52That's because you weren't listening.
00:29:54You were thinking about the next thing.
00:29:56People chronically don't listen at universities.
00:29:59At universities, listening is also known as waiting to talk.
00:30:02Don't be that person.
00:30:05That's not listening.
00:30:07And you're doing that if you can't remember somebody's name that you've just asked for.
00:30:11And so the key thing is listen to learn and then make a note of what you're actually hearing.
00:30:15Because that's actually how you're going to know that person.
00:30:18And they'll know.
00:30:20And when they know, they'll want to know you.
00:30:23And that's the basis of actual human connection.
00:30:26And that's the basis of you being less lonely.
00:30:28One more thing, one more modern thing.
00:30:30And I wouldn't have had to bring this up 25 years ago.
00:30:32If you're trying to know somebody, here's the biggest opposite signal strategy of all.
00:30:36Don't look at your phone.
00:30:37Don't look at your phone.
00:30:39I had this friend who was with a great big private equity firm in New York City.
00:30:44And he was doing a lot of the hiring for a lot of the junior talent.
00:30:47People coming out of places like where I teach at the Harvard Business School.
00:30:50The one thing he was looking for in an interview is whether they could connect with another human being.
00:30:55And the biggest giveaway that they can't really connect with another
00:30:59person is if during the interview they'd peek at their phone.
00:31:01Don't be that person.
00:31:04It's a huge mistake.
00:31:05It's basically you showing that you don't want to know that person.
00:31:09You want to know, you want to look in the mirror that it is your phone.
00:31:12Which is to say, is somebody texting me?
00:31:15Did I get something in my notifications?
00:31:17What was that chime?
00:31:18Don't look in the mirror.
00:31:20Look at the other person.
00:31:21Be other focused, not self-focused.
00:31:23And he actually said that if somebody, that was the acid test in this interview.
00:31:29If he couldn't have an interview where they got to know each other.
00:31:33Because the other person even peeked once at their phone.
00:31:36Out!
00:31:36That candidate was gone.
00:31:38And so this is the fourth thing that is really indicative of probably the greatest source of loneliness.
00:31:44Remember the intermediation of relationships because of our technology.
00:31:47Our intermediation with devices and screens.
00:31:50This is the rule.
00:31:52Leave your phone in your pocket.
00:31:54Leave your phone in the car.
00:31:56Leave your phone at home.
00:31:57Don't have your phone when you're actually trying to get to know a person.
00:32:01Because that is the first thing that's going to make them believe that you're not really into knowing them.
00:32:07And then they won't know you.
00:32:08And we get into the cycle that we're talking about in the first place.
00:32:12Now there's, you know what I'm talking about, trying to solve a particular problem.
00:32:18There's no law of nature saying that this problem is going to solve itself.
00:32:23And that's one of the things that really worries me.
00:32:25When I'm looking at the data on Gen Z today and I see these incredibly high levels of loneliness.
00:32:31Which is to say very high levels of depression, anxiety, and unhappiness.
00:32:34This is not a problem that's going to solve itself.
00:32:37Because there's nothing in nature that says if you wait long enough you'll be happy again.
00:32:41It's not true.
00:32:42We need to actually solve this problem.
00:32:45That's why I need you to solve this problem in your life and help other people solve it as well.
00:32:50This is one of these things that's not a self-correcting issue.
00:32:52And I don't want to see what's actually going to happen if these numbers and loneliness continue to go up.
00:32:57Now to begin with, they don't have to go up in your life.
00:33:00You are the entrepreneur of the enterprise of your life.
00:33:04So at very least that problem stops today with you.
00:33:10Let's take a couple of quick questions before we finish.
00:33:12Let's start with James Walters.
00:33:14Thanks for giving me first and last names.
00:33:16I like that, Mr. Walters.
00:33:18This is by email.
00:33:19Which times of day are most critical for limiting devices?
00:33:23Yeah.
00:33:23Are there certain kinds of digital activities that are more detrimental than others?
00:33:27Yeah.
00:33:27Screens, first hour of the day, last hour of the day.
00:33:29That's it.
00:33:30And during meal times.
00:33:31This is the way that you detox from your devices without getting rid of your devices.
00:33:34I'm not getting rid of mine.
00:33:36You're not getting rid of yours.
00:33:37You're looking at me on a device right now.
00:33:39That's fine.
00:33:40But the point is that if you actually want to have them interfere least with your happiness,
00:33:46least deleterious to your quality of life, you shouldn't.
00:33:49If you can avoid it, look at your devices the first hour of the day and the last hour of
00:33:53the day.
00:33:54The first hour of the day because it will be better for programming your brain for maximum
00:33:58positive affect, minimum negative affect, and highest productivity.
00:34:02And the last hour of the day because it minimizes negative affect before you go to sleep.
00:34:07And it gives you better sleep and won't interfere with the activity of your pineal gland leading
00:34:12to melatonin production among many other things.
00:34:15And then while you eat.
00:34:16Why?
00:34:16Because we as an evolved species are evolved to look at each other in the eyes as we're
00:34:22eating a chunk of yak meat around a fire.
00:34:25And you interfere with that even if the phone is on the table face down because it's going
00:34:31to interrupt the oxytocin flow, the neuropeptide exchange, the love hormone that we're getting
00:34:37in our brains from having conversations and having communion with other people.
00:34:43So that's the time to do it.
00:34:44First hour, last hour, meal time.
00:34:46That's the most important time.
00:34:47Second question is from Dan Clements.
00:34:49This is on Spotify.
00:34:50"Speaking about the anxiety cycle, how does one break free from shame about being anxious?"
00:34:56I love this.
00:34:56This is really complex.
00:34:57Some people don't just suffer.
00:34:58They suffer about suffering.
00:35:00It's like this recursive kind of suffering.
00:35:02And the classic time would be when you're on a date, which I haven't been on a date for,
00:35:07I don't know, 37 years or something like that.
00:35:09But you want to be really cool and relaxed, but you're not.
00:35:15And so you're ashamed about not being cool and relaxed, which makes you less cool and
00:35:20relaxed.
00:35:20And that's a problem.
00:35:21That's a self-reinforcing cycle.
00:35:23What do you do about that?
00:35:25And the answer is you rebel against your embarrassment by naming it.
00:35:30It's really important.
00:35:31And actually, you can see.
00:35:32I mean, it's sort of charming.
00:35:34Not for everybody.
00:35:35It might not work in your particular case.
00:35:36But if you're really, really stressed out on a date, you say, gosh, you know, I'm really
00:35:40nervous right now.
00:35:41I don't know why I'm so nervous.
00:35:42That's sort of charming in its way.
00:35:44I mean, at least that would have been charming to me.
00:35:46I mean, I'm an old guy, so who knows?
00:35:47But rebel against your embarrassment.
00:35:51Or one of the things is that I used to say this sometimes when I've been doing public
00:35:56speaking for a long time.
00:35:57I get up in front of 10,000 people.
00:35:58I'm not nervous.
00:35:59But when I was running a company, I was a CEO for 10 years.
00:36:02And I would get up in front of my own staff, 300 people that they worked for me.
00:36:07I was like, my knees were knocking, man.
00:36:10I mean, it was so weird.
00:36:12And so I remember getting up.
00:36:14And I said, I don't know what it is about, but you people really just freak me out.
00:36:19And it was just it broke the ice, and that's how to deal with it.
00:36:22You're ashamed of being anxious?
00:36:24Are you embarrassed about being anxious?
00:36:25Name it.
00:36:26Own it.
00:36:27And that's the way that we actually get around a lot of these problems by bringing them to
00:36:32the surface.
00:36:32Because remember, you can be managed by your limbic system or you can manage your limbic
00:36:38system.
00:36:38The way that you manage your limbic system is moving the experience of the emotion into
00:36:42the prefrontal cortex where it becomes conscious.
00:36:46And that's a perfect example of a technique that we call metacognition.
00:36:50And Dan Clemons, thank you for giving me the opportunity to bring that idea up one more
00:36:55time.
00:36:55Well, we're done.
00:36:56As always, let me know your thoughts.
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Key Takeaway

To overcome the modern loneliness epidemic, individuals must consciously resist the urge to isolate and instead proactively seek to deeply know others, thereby creating the reciprocal human connection necessary for true happiness.

Highlights

Loneliness is defined as the 'Poe Syndrome

Timeline

The Loneliness Epidemic and the Poe Syndrome

Arthur Brooks introduces the current loneliness epidemic, noting that modern society is becoming worse at knowing others. He uses the life of author Edgar Allan Poe as a case study, highlighting a poem titled "Alone" to illustrate the pain of unshared love. The core issue, termed the "Poe Syndrome," suggests that loneliness often stems from a self-isolating lack of interest in others. This section establishes that being known by others is the primary predictor of long-term health and happiness. Brooks emphasizes that we must learn to help ourselves out of these lonely periods by changing our social behaviors.

The Science of Being Known and Significant

The discussion shifts to the statistical reality that over half of US adults felt unknown even before the COVID-19 pandemic. Brooks explains that happiness is a composite of enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning, with meaning requiring a sense of personal significance. For a life to feel significant, it must matter to someone else, which requires being deeply known. He references the Harvard Study of Adult Development to prove that human connection is the ultimate longevity tool. Furthermore, he touches on religious traditions, such as the book of Jeremiah, to illustrate the deep metaphysical need for being known.

The Neurobiology of Human Understanding

Brooks dives into the neuroscience of social interaction, explaining how fMRI studies show that feeling understood activates the ventral striatum and ventral tegmental area. Conversely, feeling misunderstood stimulates the anterior insula, the same region associated with physical pain. This neurological incentive system evolved to keep humans within their social groups for survival on the frozen tundra. He notes a dangerous dislocation where humans have a high incentive to be known but a low natural incentive to know others. This imbalance is currently being exacerbated by technology, leading to unprecedented levels of loneliness in Gen Z.

Strategies for Breaking the Loneliness Cycle

Loneliness is described as a self-reinforcing vortex similar to poverty or homelessness, where the feeling of isolation makes one less likely to seek connection. To break this, Brooks introduces the "Opposite Signal Strategy," which involves ignoring the instinct to cocoon and instead forcing oneself to interact. He references St. Augustine’s concept of "curvatus in se"—being curved in on oneself—as the psychological state that must be defeated. By becoming an "illuminator" rather than a "diminisher," individuals can make others feel seen and valued. This shift in focus from self to others is the first practical step toward reclaiming social health.

Practical Tools: From Oprah to Eye Contact

Brooks provides concrete examples of how to build deep connections, citing Oprah Winfrey's intense curiosity about others as a model for success. He suggests asking more questions during social encounters, noting that asking questions on a date can increase likability by 9%. Key keywords include "active listening" and the "acid test" of social connection: keeping the phone out of sight. He emphasizes that looking at a phone during an interview or date signals a lack of interest in the other person, instantly killing intimacy. Ultimately, individuals must act as the entrepreneurs of their own lives to solve the problem of isolation.

Digital Detox and Managing Anxiety

The final section addresses audience questions regarding device management and social anxiety. Brooks recommends a digital detox during the first and last hours of the day, as well as during meal times, to protect the brain's oxytocin flow and melatonin production. Regarding anxiety, he suggests a technique called "metacognition," which involves moving emotions from the limbic system to the prefrontal cortex by naming them. By admitting to being nervous on a date or during a speech, the individual takes conscious control of the emotion. The video concludes with a call to bring more love and happiness to others as the ultimate path to personal well-being.

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