00:00:00"In 2021, I sold my e-commerce company Prestige Labs
00:00:02"with Jim Mullins for $46.2 million.
00:00:05"And six months ago, I broke the Guinness World Record
00:00:07"for the fastest selling nonfiction book
00:00:09"and generated over $106 million in a weekend
00:00:10"just using a Shopify store."
00:00:12And so in this video, I'm answering your questions
00:00:14about how to scale your e-commerce business.
00:00:16And for all these questions, I've tried to do my very best
00:00:18to make the solutions as tactical as humanly possible
00:00:20so that you watching from home can immediately use them.
00:00:22So enjoy.
00:00:22- Hey, Alex. - Yes.
00:00:24- My name is Max.
00:00:25I run Elevate Customs with my wife, who's in the front row.
00:00:29It's a-
00:00:30- Elevate Customs? - Yep.
00:00:32- Like customs, sorry.
00:00:34Like home custom solutions?
00:00:36- No, we build and sell like luxury gaming tables,
00:00:38like pool tables, casino tables, manufacturer.
00:00:41- Not what I was saying.
00:00:42Okay, got it, yeah.
00:00:43That's cool.
00:00:45Like cool backlights and things like that.
00:00:47- Yeah, like anything, like one-off custom pieces.
00:00:50- Sweet.
00:00:51- We're at around two and a half million revenue a year.
00:00:54We want to be around 10.
00:00:56- How do you sell? - At least.
00:00:57Mostly Google Ads.
00:00:59- So e-commerce?
00:01:00- Yeah, she sells.
00:01:01- Yeah, okay, so invoices, phone calls.
00:01:02Okay, got it.
00:01:03- So how do we increase our leads 2X, 3X
00:01:07without breaking the bank, basically?
00:01:09- How do you increase your lead flow
00:01:11without breaking the bank?
00:01:12- Yeah.
00:01:13- Well, I'll ask you.
00:01:14- For quality leads, basically.
00:01:15- So what are you currently doing?
00:01:17You said Google Ads?
00:01:18- Yeah, around 15 to 20K a month.
00:01:20- Can you spend more?
00:01:21- Yeah. - Why don't we do that?
00:01:23- We've tried and we weren't generating
00:01:26the same quality leads or necessarily getting more.
00:01:28- So there's different keywords.
00:01:29We're not getting you more quality.
00:01:31- Yeah. - Correct.
00:01:32This is probably a scale thing though.
00:01:33Like this is a media buying question
00:01:36because I can promise you that at $20,000 a month,
00:01:38you haven't saturated the market
00:01:39for cool custom gaming stuff.
00:01:42Like you could probably get to like 2 million a month
00:01:44before you even get close to that.
00:01:46So I think it's probably just like,
00:01:48who does your media buying?
00:01:49- We have a company.
00:01:50- Okay, I would, this is a keyword thing.
00:01:53They're like, this is three degrees down,
00:01:56like super tactical.
00:01:56Like we're just buying the wrong words.
00:01:58And there's just, we like,
00:01:59I would be, what's your margins right now?
00:02:01- 20%, 500K a year.
00:02:04- So you just have to see this as like,
00:02:08we might burn $200,000 this year on bad keywords
00:02:12to find another six that we can scale up
00:02:15to $100,000 a month.
00:02:16And by doing that, we'll 5X the business.
00:02:18And so if you just see it like that of like, okay,
00:02:20we're gonna spend 200,000 or $300,000
00:02:23to take us from two point whatever to 10,
00:02:25that's how I think about it.
00:02:27In general, we tend to be like scared to spend more money.
00:02:32And I would say that the only thing
00:02:33that's really shifted for me is like
00:02:34from entrepreneur to investor,
00:02:36like kind of wearing both hats
00:02:37is that I look so much stuff at just like return on capital
00:02:40and like, what's the point?
00:02:41Like if I think we can get to 10,
00:02:43I would rather just get to 10 faster.
00:02:45And I see, because I don't live off of that $500,000 a year,
00:02:49I just see all of that as my fodder
00:02:52for putting back into the thing
00:02:53so that I can get to the next level,
00:02:55which side quest for everyone.
00:02:57If you're a service business and you have cash flow,
00:03:00some businesses are really obvious
00:03:01for where you do reinvestment.
00:03:02If you're brick and mortar, you save up your shackles,
00:03:04you open other location, very clear where your capex is.
00:03:07You're manufacturing, you buy another big machine,
00:03:08very clear where the capex goes, right?
00:03:10If you're a service business, you do accounts,
00:03:12you have a law firm, you got legal people.
00:03:16What do you do with the extra money
00:03:17to quote reinvest in the business?
00:03:18So there's two primary sources.
00:03:20Number one is gonna be talent and culture.
00:03:23So who am I gonna hire and how do I up-level the team?
00:03:27So in service businesses in general,
00:03:29you can see how good you are
00:03:30and how advanced you are as a service provider
00:03:32by the price you're able to charge.
00:03:34And so over time, your price should always go up
00:03:36because fundamentally you should have a virtuous cycle
00:03:38of we do good work, that generates more demand.
00:03:41More demand means more than we have supply,
00:03:43which means we can raise the price.
00:03:44With the extras cash, we can then acquire better talent,
00:03:47which means we do a better job,
00:03:48which increases our reputation, which increases our price,
00:03:51which allows us to charge more
00:03:52so that we can get better talent.
00:03:53And so the talent should always be going up
00:03:55and so should the price.
00:03:57And so if you're in a marketplace where you're like,
00:03:58"Man, we can't charge more than other people,"
00:04:00it's because you aren't better than other people.
00:04:02So we have to beat them in order, like we have to do better.
00:04:05That's point one.
00:04:06The second area is brand, right?
00:04:08It's like, how do I spend some of that extra cash
00:04:10to solidify the brand of me?
00:04:13So this is not direct response ads.
00:04:14This is like kind of the big aspirational moments,
00:04:17these brand moments,
00:04:18like we just did this launch just two weekends ago.
00:04:20It's like, how do I do these big demonstrations
00:04:22that might cost more
00:04:23and might not be the normal run of business?
00:04:25Like why would Red Bull have a guy
00:04:26jump from out of space down?
00:04:28It doesn't make any sense,
00:04:28but except it makes a ton of sense
00:04:30because I'm talking about it right now, right?
00:04:32And so you're probably more likely
00:04:33to drink a Red Bull at the break.
00:04:34Real talk.
00:04:35And so anyways, it's like,
00:04:38how does this ladder back to selling more pool tables?
00:04:41For you though,
00:04:42you're not in a service-based business per se,
00:04:44but I thought it was a good offshoot for other people.
00:04:47See all of the profit that you have,
00:04:49whatever you don't need to live on
00:04:50as your experimentation budget.
00:04:52And that budget is really like,
00:04:54do not see it as I lost money.
00:04:56Like you can't think with that perspective.
00:04:58You will just lose.
00:04:59You have to think of that.
00:05:00This is like, I'm going to rigorously test keywords
00:05:05until I find more keywords that win.
00:05:07And these are just investments
00:05:09in finding money printing machines
00:05:10because keywords, especially once you really find them,
00:05:13they kind of just print for you,
00:05:15which you guys are experiencing right now, right?
00:05:16You guys spend $250,000 a year to make a 2.2, right?
00:05:19You're getting 10 to one on it.
00:05:20Now, obviously you have cost of goods for sure,
00:05:21but like profitable, right?
00:05:24And I'm sure when you found your first keyword
00:05:25and it started working, you were like, holy shit.
00:05:27It's like, great.
00:05:28We just need to find like another hundred.
00:05:29And they're there, they're there.
00:05:31And you might need bridge pages.
00:05:33So you may have heard of Eugene Schwartz.
00:05:37So famous marketer.
00:05:41And so when you really want to scale ads to colder markets,
00:05:44for those of you who went through the hooks
00:05:46and the go-to ads, anyone go through go-to ads playbook?
00:05:49Okay, so this will sound a little bit more familiar.
00:05:52So you have these levels of awareness
00:05:56that correspond with size of market.
00:05:58And so you've got your most aware customers here.
00:06:00And the reason that these levels are important
00:06:03is that it changes what the hook is
00:06:05and what the kind of click journey is for the customer.
00:06:08So at the very top, you've got unaware,
00:06:10then you've got problem aware,
00:06:11you've got solution aware, you've got product aware,
00:06:14and then you've got most aware,
00:06:15which is usually your existing customers, right?
00:06:18And so if you want to expand, so right now,
00:06:21I'll bet you most of your keywords
00:06:22are targeting these people.
00:06:23If you want to go up market,
00:06:25which might have 10 times more clicks,
00:06:27we might have to have a bridge page after you have,
00:06:30like the keyword might be more like home projects
00:06:34or like access, like I'd have to think of that.
00:06:38I'd use a keyword finder.
00:06:39- Would you have like the same team work on that
00:06:42or hire a completely different marketing team to kind of?
00:06:45- A really good media buyer would know this,
00:06:47but you'll likely just need to have keywords
00:06:50that are a little bit broader.
00:06:51So you start competing against more people,
00:06:53but as long as you bring them
00:06:55to kind of like an advertorial type page,
00:06:57and then they take the next step,
00:06:59and then it basically mimics the same path as this.
00:07:01It's like you take them from product aware
00:07:03to then advertorial, then to your sales page,
00:07:06that bridge, the clicks here might also be like
00:07:09one 10th the price and there's an ocean of them.
00:07:11And then when you go from there, it's like, okay,
00:07:13what's above that?
00:07:15Problem aware, is your house boring?
00:07:18Right, like, do you have an extra room
00:07:19that you don't know what to do with?
00:07:20Right, these are problem aware.
00:07:21They have a problem.
00:07:22They have no idea that you're going to sell them a pool table,
00:07:24but we have to start with where they're at
00:07:25and then lead them through the journey.
00:07:27- Thank you, appreciate it.
00:07:28- Real quick, I'm going to show you the exact 10 stage roadmap
00:07:31from zero to a hundred million plus
00:07:34that less than 1% of companies finish.
00:07:36I've now done multiple times.
00:07:37And so I can say with a lot of confidence
00:07:38that these are the stages as headcount increases
00:07:41that you need to get through.
00:07:43And I broke each of these down
00:07:44by eight different functions of the business.
00:07:46What the constraint feels like,
00:07:47like what are the symptoms of it when you're going through it?
00:07:50And then what steps we actually took to graduate.
00:07:52And we've done this across software, physical products,
00:07:55service businesses, brick and mortar, all of this.
00:07:58And it works.
00:07:59And it's my gift to you, it's absolutely free.
00:08:00And so the link's in the description,
00:08:02but you just go acquisition.com/roadmap,
00:08:04just enter your info and it'll spit it right back to you,
00:08:06all free.
00:08:07- My name is Ethan.
00:08:08We sell direct response e-commerce products.
00:08:10We're all paid media.
00:08:12We do about $3 million a year in revenue.
00:08:15- Direct response?
00:08:16- E-commerce products.
00:08:18- Okay.
00:08:19Like drop shipping stuff?
00:08:20- Pretty much, yeah.
00:08:21It's more branded than that, but essentially is.
00:08:23- Yeah, so you have customers who are doing that
00:08:25or you're doing that?
00:08:26- We're doing that.
00:08:27- Okay, got it.
00:08:27And so you have a handful, how many SKUs do you have?
00:08:30- Like four.
00:08:31- Okay.
00:08:32Is it all the same brand?
00:08:33- No.
00:08:34- Okay.
00:08:35- Yep, so we're doing, it's like four months old.
00:08:39So we're doing a run rate of like 3 million a year.
00:08:41We have background in like pay traffic affiliate.
00:08:46So it's not the first way with that.
00:08:47We're trying to get to like 15 million a year run rate.
00:08:50What's stopping us right now, not entirely sure,
00:08:55but basically like we have each step
00:08:57for everything that has to be done.
00:08:59We've built out teams and systems for the main priorities
00:09:03and those things are working pretty well.
00:09:04I'm happy with our talent and what they're producing.
00:09:08But so far, what I'm experiencing is that,
00:09:11I'm left with this list of like random chores
00:09:14that somehow only I can do.
00:09:16- A junk drawer, yeah.
00:09:17- But I'm not sure how to approach hiring for this
00:09:20'cause it ends up being like a very niche specific task,
00:09:23but I made, I might only need them for like,
00:09:2620 minutes a week or something.
00:09:27So it ends up being me, but with a million things.
00:09:30- And you were a founder?
00:09:32- Yeah.
00:09:33- Okay, so let's start here.
00:09:38You wanna get to 15 million.
00:09:39What stops you from spending more money?
00:09:42- Nothing right now.
00:09:43I mean, so we just hired a pretty robust funnel team
00:09:46and an operations guy, like a strategist.
00:09:48So kind of just waiting on those things to kick in really,
00:09:52but I'm fairly confident at least do it.
00:09:54- Okay, so this is more a complaint than a constraint, right?
00:10:01No, I'm just being, this is me asking for clarity.
00:10:03So we think we can double if we just spend more money.
00:10:07I'm not spending more money
00:10:08because I'm waiting for this thing to happen.
00:10:11Once this thing happens,
00:10:12then I'm gonna spend as much money as I can, right?
00:10:15And in the meantime, I have stuff I don't feel like doing.
00:10:20No, I'm like, this is me trying to translate back.
00:10:22Is that true?
00:10:23Is that like accurate?
00:10:24- Yeah, but eventually there's gonna be enough of that stuff
00:10:25that like I will have to find some way
00:10:27to hire out for these things.
00:10:29- Yeah, and then there'll be more stuff
00:10:30that you'll still do.
00:10:32You'll just do the more important, valuable stuff
00:10:34and give the other stuff to somebody else.
00:10:36- Yeah, but a lot of it ends up being fairly tedious.
00:10:39Like it doesn't feel like high leverage
00:10:41or high value at all.
00:10:42- I mean, this is where like VA's and project work
00:10:45can come really in handy.
00:10:46Like I'll give you an example.
00:10:48So when we made all the ads for the launch, right?
00:10:51I don't, I didn't need the amount of editors
00:10:54that I had to spin up in order to,
00:10:57'cause like I'm not gonna be making 300 ads a week ongoing.
00:11:01I don't need to, but for the launch I did,
00:11:03and I wasn't gonna hire an extra 15 editors full-time
00:11:07'cause it's just like, I don't need that.
00:11:09And so we spun up 15 editors that were contractors
00:11:12who would then just clip.
00:11:13And we had one person just did QA on it
00:11:15to make sure that it was good.
00:11:16And then we'd ship them, right?
00:11:18And so if we have something that's like one time-ish work
00:11:20where it's sporadic, then I'm fine just having a suite
00:11:24or a bench of contractors that I can turn on and off.
00:11:27- Sure.
00:11:28- As long as they do decent work.
00:11:29- We do similar things like with our video editors as well,
00:11:33but you know, some of the tasks are fairly specialized.
00:11:36- No, I understand.
00:11:36I was just using an example for editors,
00:11:38but I'm saying like, if you have tedious work,
00:11:40like this is where the fibers of the world
00:11:42like can come in handy.
00:11:44And worst case you train a contractor or VA on how to do it.
00:11:47And then they do it.
00:11:48- Yeah.
00:11:49Just like someone that's high level enough
00:11:51and like Shopify work, but we only use them for a few hours.
00:11:53- There's tons of Shopify contractors,
00:11:55like a boatload of them.
00:11:56- Yeah.
00:11:57- And they're not that expensive.
00:11:58And some of them are really good.
00:11:59Yeah, like I would just look at my list.
00:12:01What are the things that I'm doing on a regular basis?
00:12:03Can I ship out most of these to a contractor
00:12:05does a piecemeal probably.
00:12:07And now you're trading 20 hours for two
00:12:09and that's just, you just keep making that trade
00:12:11until eventually you've managing a ton of people.
00:12:12And then it's like, great,
00:12:13one person is managing all of these
00:12:14and you just trade all that time for you getting more
00:12:16because hopefully if you're doing that much work,
00:12:18then you should have the revenue support that role.
00:12:21Have you scaled e-commerce like this before?
00:12:25- Yeah.
00:12:25- Okay, are you just running paid ads?
00:12:30- Yes.
00:12:31- Okay, do you have influencers who are doing stuff?
00:12:33- No influencers, we were looking to hire for that,
00:12:36but we have three or four channels for paid at least.
00:12:39- Yeah, I'll say this.
00:12:41How big do you want this debate?
00:12:43- I mean, ultimately like the goal
00:12:45is we'd like to have a portfolio
00:12:46of call it four or five brands
00:12:48that we can then exit in a couple of years.
00:12:51- So I have this conversation every week
00:12:54with somebody who's doing e-commerce
00:12:57and it's almost always the same.
00:12:58Like I would like to have a portfolio
00:13:00of a handful of products
00:13:01that I could eventually sell someday.
00:13:03I have really yet to see anyone do that.
00:13:05And it's, I think for two reasons.
00:13:08One is that as you continue to scale,
00:13:11your CAC will continue to go up
00:13:14and your gross margins will shrink
00:13:16and that will get frustrating.
00:13:18You will then also have supply chain issues,
00:13:19which would become a burden.
00:13:21You also have dupes.
00:13:22If you start becoming really good,
00:13:23that will undercut you in price
00:13:25and list on Amazon and all that stuff.
00:13:28Do you have patent protected
00:13:29like for any of these products?
00:13:31And so like you right now run a media arbitrage business
00:13:34and it works really well up to about 10 million.
00:13:37And then it will quickly stop working very well.
00:13:41And so I think to your point of like,
00:13:42you can see a double, that's probably true.
00:13:44You might even triple that's sitting there
00:13:46with little optimization, more email followup,
00:13:48blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:13:49But you'll probably get close to capping
00:13:52in that neighborhood, 10, maybe 12.
00:13:54And then you're gonna be like,
00:13:56well, we're doing a million dollars a month,
00:13:57but we have like almost no margin
00:13:59and our cashflow is fucked.
00:14:01And so what I think you want is that you want to build a brand
00:14:06that has a product that you really believe in
00:14:10that will allow you to recruit affiliates to your cause.
00:14:14When I say affiliates, I mean, influencers,
00:14:16not traditional direct response affiliates
00:14:18that are just mercenaries,
00:14:19but like people actually believe in it.
00:14:22And when you do that,
00:14:23you will actually be able to build a brand
00:14:25because fundamentally like any one of the products
00:14:27can be big enough on their own to sell.
00:14:30And so rather than saying like,
00:14:32why don't we try and build four totally different products
00:14:35and totally different brands at the same time?
00:14:37It's like, why don't we just try to build one
00:14:39that we really like that we think has a chance
00:14:41at actually like really helping people
00:14:44for whatever the problem that the product solves.
00:14:47That's what will build what I think you want.
00:14:49It's just that most people come from the direct response world
00:14:52just are pure performance marketers.
00:14:54And I say this being someone who comes from that world.
00:14:57And I had to learn the hard way that
00:14:59you will run into the wall that,
00:15:02there's a great article you can recall
00:15:03the direct response doom loop, which you might've read.
00:15:06But basically you just do this revenue goes up,
00:15:09margins compressed, margins compressed
00:15:10until you're eventually here.
00:15:11And then you have to keep selling
00:15:11in order to maintain your team.
00:15:12And then you just run a very large,
00:15:13very high high liability nonprofit and it sucks.
00:15:17And cashflow is a huge constraint
00:15:18and you've got all the supply chain bullshit.
00:15:20And then you're like, this sucks.
00:15:22And then you'd have another conversation, come back here.
00:15:24We're like, Hey, we're doing 12 million with 7% margins.
00:15:27And I would say, okay, of the four products you have,
00:15:29which one is the one that's the clear winner?
00:15:31That's the one that's carrying all the other losers.
00:15:33And you'd be like, well, it's this one.
00:15:33And then I'd say, okay, cool.
00:15:34Why don't we just get rid of these three
00:15:36and then put all of your effort on this?
00:15:37Do you think you'd be able to win that way?
00:15:38You'd be like, Oh my God, sure.
00:15:39And be like, great.
00:15:40So like, why don't we do that?
00:15:41And then actually invest in building the brand around it.
00:15:44- We definitely have,
00:15:47we're paid traffic affiliates.
00:15:49So like we're data people.
00:15:51But so one of the things that I've thought about is like,
00:15:54our biggest skew, it's good, but it's not like,
00:15:56it's not that good.
00:15:57Like I know a good campaign when I see it.
00:15:59So like part of the purpose of building out,
00:16:01like in our research and funnel teams is like,
00:16:04well, eventually we're gonna find something
00:16:05where the market is just like 10 times better.
00:16:08So it's like, do we keep chugging along with like the one
00:16:11that's like a six out of 10 or do we go find the nine
00:16:13and then go on on that?
00:16:14- The skillset that you guys are deficient in
00:16:17is going to be brand.
00:16:19And that's what you have to learn how to do.
00:16:21And the brand is also completed with the product.
00:16:24So like that's what completes the brand loop.
00:16:25Like we make this amazing promise.
00:16:27We have all these great associations.
00:16:28People then make the purchase and then the product
00:16:30either reinforces the brand or destroys the brand.
00:16:33And if it reinforces the brand,
00:16:34then the loop continues and becomes a virtuous cycle.
00:16:36And that's how you go from an e-commerce store
00:16:38that does media arbitrage into a household name
00:16:41that you can sell for not just 50 million,
00:16:43but maybe 500 million.
00:16:45And so it's just that like I have this conversation
00:16:47literally every week.
00:16:49And so I know that you're coming at this
00:16:52from a math perspective.
00:16:53It's just that it will not work at scale.
00:16:55And so I would rather you spend as little as you can
00:16:58on all of these different things to find a product
00:17:01that you guys really think is legit
00:17:03and has some level of defensibility if you can,
00:17:05because if you don't have a defensible product,
00:17:07the only thing that you have is the brand
00:17:08to differentiate you.
00:17:09That's the only differentiator.
00:17:11And so if you're competing, 'cause like,
00:17:13just play it out the next step, right?
00:17:14Like let's say you find your nine out of 10.
00:17:17No one's buying that.
00:17:18Like private equity investor, not buying it
00:17:20because they know the game.
00:17:21They buy brands.
00:17:22They don't buy products.
00:17:23And so you get your nine out of 10 and then the dupes flood
00:17:26because they see that you're killing it.
00:17:28And then they undercut you on all this stuff.
00:17:29And then your ROAS goes down
00:17:30and then you leak everything to your competitors.
00:17:33So either you have some sort of patent
00:17:35that you can actually protect
00:17:35and you have a legal team that can enforce it,
00:17:37or you build a brand.
00:17:40So like, that's the long-term play.
00:17:42The rest of this is just making money
00:17:44until you figure that out.
00:17:45I'm being super real with you.
00:17:47I'd just rather save you a couple of years.
00:17:49But like that is where this leads.
00:17:50- Okay.
00:17:51I mean, so-
00:17:52- How do you build a brand?
00:17:54- Yeah, right.
00:17:54(laughing)
00:17:55Yeah, how do I do that?
00:17:56But you know, we are working on like
00:17:58the legal defensibility of it.
00:17:59You know, I didn't mean to say like-
00:18:01- I would lead with brand rather than legal.
00:18:03I would lead with brand rather than legal.
00:18:05Because legal, you have to like, it's still tough to like,
00:18:10it's better to be big and then win with legal
00:18:12than try and be small and win with legal
00:18:13because you'll just get drowned in fees.
00:18:15And it's better to just have the coolest brand
00:18:18and have the coolest people promoting the thing.
00:18:21And then people just want to buy from you,
00:18:22even though they see the cheaper knockoffs.
00:18:24But that's like, that's what you have to do.
00:18:26If you really want to go where you want to go,
00:18:27otherwise you're just going to be cycling through SKUs
00:18:30and you're going to say you have a portfolio
00:18:31and it'll sound impressive to people
00:18:32who don't know what you're talking about.
00:18:34But like, margins will do this, cash flow will get fucked,
00:18:37and you have co-founders and it'll be like,
00:18:39this is so much work, this sucks.
00:18:42I wish we just had one product
00:18:43that we all really believed in
00:18:44that we could like build a business around.
00:18:46And that's what you want to do.
00:18:47- Thank you.
00:18:48- Yeah, you bet.
00:18:49- Hi, my name is Samantha Harrison.
00:18:51I own a hair extension company in Australia.
00:18:54- Amazing.
00:18:55- I have a salon and an e-commerce business.
00:18:58- A what in e-commerce?
00:19:00- Sorry, sorry, I wholesale.
00:19:02- Wholesale and e-commerce.
00:19:03So direct to consumer and wholesale.
00:19:04- Yeah.
00:19:05- Okay, got it.
00:19:06- Sorry, I'm like so nervous.
00:19:08I have a terrible fear of public speaking.
00:19:10- Have a panic attack and then just ask the question.
00:19:12You're good.
00:19:13(audience laughing)
00:19:14- I forgot what my question was.
00:19:16- Fine.
00:19:17We can pick another one.
00:19:18- I'm just gonna read what I wrote down, if that's okay.
00:19:19(laughing)
00:19:21Okay.
00:19:22So to make either business truly sellable at high valuation,
00:19:26it would take me years of operational restructuring,
00:19:30recruitment, reducing owner dependence and building systems.
00:19:33And even then the multiple would be low
00:19:36because service-based product businesses
00:19:38don't scale without heavy ongoing input.
00:19:40I want to move into SaaS.
00:19:44- You think this is hard?
00:19:47And so you're like, you know what I could do?
00:19:49Something harder.
00:19:50(laughing)
00:19:51- And so I guess that was the point of me
00:19:53coming to this seminar.
00:19:55'Cause I know you talk a lot about
00:19:56like the women in the red dress.
00:19:58- Yeah, or men in the tuxedo, you know, whatever works.
00:20:01(laughing)
00:20:03- Obviously I'm fearful 'cause it's not my niche
00:20:07and it's not what I specialize in.
00:20:09But I obviously being in the industry,
00:20:12I definitely see a lack in the market and educating.
00:20:16- So what is the SaaS that you're trying to build?
00:20:17Or that you wouldn't wanna build?
00:20:18- So it's an online booking system for,
00:20:20well, the niche is for salons,
00:20:21but it can be used for service-based businesses.
00:20:23- There's so many of those.
00:20:24- It's got AI built into it.
00:20:26And the difference between mine and say everybody else's
00:20:32is it's essentially bridging the gap
00:20:34between revenue and profit.
00:20:36So giving like more of like a pool data rather than push.
00:20:40Having the AI built in as more as like
00:20:44a motivational business coach,
00:20:46which will give you the real time analytics on your team,
00:20:49on your services, on your numbers, on your margins,
00:20:51like everything like that.
00:20:52Like for me personally, I spend every week
00:20:55calculating every single team members revenue,
00:20:58cost of product.
00:20:59- Do you own a salon too?
00:20:59- Yeah.
00:21:00- Okay.
00:21:01- Yeah, so the salon and the wholesale run without me.
00:21:04- Okay, passive.
00:21:05- The salon does about,
00:21:07so the salon does about say 900,000 with 50% margin.
00:21:11And I'm happy with like what,
00:21:13like I don't really wanna scale the salon.
00:21:15The wholesale year or this year has grown 100%,
00:21:19but it's about 30% month on month.
00:21:20- What was the revenue of the wholesale?
00:21:23- Think I'm just at 2.6 so far.
00:21:26- And you have 30% margins on that?
00:21:28- Yeah.
00:21:28- Great.
00:21:29- So the financial overview for this SaaS,
00:21:34so it's $500,000 build, 120 grand a year to maintain,
00:21:39but it's serving my same audience, right?
00:21:42The stockists are already salon owners.
00:21:44They already buy from me.
00:21:45They already trust me.
00:21:46It's something that they won't use,
00:21:48have already subscribed to like the founders.
00:21:51Don't look at me like that.
00:21:52(audience laughing)
00:21:53Believe in me.
00:21:54(audience laughing)
00:21:56- I do, I do.
00:21:59- I'm just trying to figure out which you to believe in.
00:22:01- I'd only need 150 subscribers to maintain costs,
00:22:05which I've already got.
00:22:07So if I had 2000 of my weekly stockists
00:22:12that already buy from me, subscribe this to me in a year,
00:22:15it's fine, right?
00:22:17Tell me it's a good idea, please.
00:22:18(audience laughing)
00:22:21- So much pain.
00:22:21(audience laughing)
00:22:22- You sound like Ed.
00:22:24(audience laughing)
00:22:26I've been sulking all day.
00:22:29So one of the difficulties that I have,
00:22:30like this is a perfect scenario of telling someone
00:22:34what they want to hear versus telling them what I think.
00:22:36And I'm always, it's a very fine line
00:22:38because like I always want everyone to leave happy.
00:22:41But I also feel like I have integrity tough, right?
00:22:44And so what I will do is I'll give you a sorting question
00:22:50and you can pick what side you want.
00:22:52I can assume your position
00:22:54and then tell you what I would do,
00:22:56although I disagree with it,
00:22:57or I can tell you what I think you should do.
00:22:59- Okay.
00:23:00- Which one would you like?
00:23:01- Tell me what I should do.
00:23:02- Okay, great.
00:23:03I think that--
00:23:06- I'm going.
00:23:07(laughing)
00:23:09- I think you getting into SaaS
00:23:10as somebody who has never built a software product
00:23:13and doing it where you're going to self fund it.
00:23:15And just because you have a distribution base
00:23:19does not mean that you should sell every single thing
00:23:21that that distribution base can buy.
00:23:23- What if I've already paid for it?
00:23:25- That's called sunk cost fallacy.
00:23:27(laughing)
00:23:27- True.
00:23:28- So I just give up, I don't try?
00:23:29- Yeah.
00:23:30Some of the best money you ever spend
00:23:31is deciding to stop spending bad money.
00:23:32- Okay.
00:23:33- And I say this only having done it myself.
00:23:37So I'm gonna hit from a couple angles.
00:23:41So the first one is who here is organic
00:23:43as their primary method of getting customers,
00:23:45like making content, et cetera.
00:23:46And it gets bigger and bigger every time.
00:23:48It's just the way the world's moving.
00:23:51So one of the big mistakes
00:23:53that people who have organic audiences make
00:23:55is that you grow an audience
00:23:56and then you sell a product.
00:23:57And then people buy the product and you make money.
00:23:59And that's a very reinforcing event.
00:24:00And so then, but they already bought the product.
00:24:02So then you think, well shit, I should make another product.
00:24:04And so you make another product.
00:24:05And then within two or three years,
00:24:07all of a sudden you have four mini businesses
00:24:09that serve the same pool of customers.
00:24:10When the real constraint of the business
00:24:11is you needed to grow your audience.
00:24:13And so the invisible beauty, sorry, not extensions,
00:24:16whatever it is that you sell, right?
00:24:18The hair extensions that you sell,
00:24:21you're doing 2.6.
00:24:22Then what's the e-commerce side doing in revenue?
00:24:25- Yeah, it's like 900.
00:24:26- 900, that's what it's doing.
00:24:27- Sorry, sorry, the salon is 900, the online is 2.6.
00:24:32- So, okay.
00:24:33So there is no, you said e-commerce at some point.
00:24:35- Yeah, sorry.
00:24:35E-commerce, I'm selling hair extensions online.
00:24:37- Is the wholesaling.
00:24:38- Yes. - Okay, got it.
00:24:39It's B2B on that side.
00:24:40- But I also sell to retail, wholesale and retail.
00:24:42So anyone can buy, but I do have stockists.
00:24:44- The vast majority is other stylists buying, right?
00:24:48- So Layla can buy from me,
00:24:50but also hair extension salon owners
00:24:52can register for a trade account.
00:24:54- And how many of the sales are trade accounts?
00:24:56- It's about 50%.
00:24:57- It is, interesting, okay.
00:24:59So anyways, back to this point,
00:25:01which is that that business is not sellable.
00:25:04I just wanna be like, you said like, ready started.
00:25:06You're like, it's not sellable, it's operational.
00:25:08It's like, that's, I mean, not necessarily true,
00:25:10kind of at all.
00:25:11You just need to get more customers.
00:25:14And extensions are a reoccurring product.
00:25:17Like people buy them every eight, 16, whatever the weeks are,
00:25:19you know, whatever the, you know it better than I do.
00:25:21But I know I've seen the bill, so.
00:25:25It's not one time.
00:25:26I'm sure about that.
00:25:29So, all that to say, like, all we have to do is just like,
00:25:33you have now encountered the big hairy problem
00:25:35that I talked about at the beginning of today,
00:25:37which is that you encountered something
00:25:38that you didn't know how to solve and then are thinking,
00:25:40okay, well, there's greener pasture over here.
00:25:42There's a girl in a redder dress.
00:25:44And if I go here, surely this grass
00:25:45will not be fertilized with shit.
00:25:47But it is indeed full of shit and significantly more shit
00:25:50than what your current business is.
00:25:51The current business is actually way more chill
00:25:53than the business that you're trying to get into.
00:25:55And the business you currently have
00:25:56is way more cashflow positive
00:25:57than the one you want to get into.
00:25:58The business that you want to get into,
00:26:00you will not make money from for many years
00:26:02if you ever make money from it.
00:26:03So if you want to win at software,
00:26:05you have to commit to making no money
00:26:06for basically seven years.
00:26:08Zero.
00:26:09And the people you're competing against
00:26:10don't have two other businesses.
00:26:11- I guess like my limiting belief around like,
00:26:14I've got a very lean business.
00:26:15So I build a property a couple of years ago.
00:26:18I ended up moving out and I run the wholesale
00:26:20and the salon from that house.
00:26:21And my expense for this salon
00:26:23and the wholesale is 500 bucks a week.
00:26:26So it's very lean.
00:26:28So I think for me-
00:26:28- So you're good at running that business.
00:26:30- Yeah.
00:26:31- You should do something totally different.
00:26:32- But like the idea for me to scale,
00:26:33I'm like, I'd need to increase my pricing
00:26:36and I'd need to obviously move into-
00:26:38- On the extension side you mean?
00:26:39- Yeah.
00:26:40Like my margins are too small for me to be able to scale
00:26:42at the margin set.
00:26:43- So why don't we just do that?
00:26:45Because you thought starting a software company would be easy?
00:26:49- Well, I thought that having like a risk, sorry,
00:26:52a reoccurring.
00:26:53- You do have a reoccurring business.
00:26:54- A subscription based product that I would use as well.
00:26:59- So reoccurring and recurring, right?
00:27:02Have the same value.
00:27:04What we need to demonstrate is revenue retention.
00:27:06- I would just like to make money online while I sleep
00:27:08and I don't want to work anymore.
00:27:09- That's fine.
00:27:10Software companies is certainly not the way to do it.
00:27:12(laughing)
00:27:14Probably the worst way to try and do that.
00:27:16- Okay.
00:27:17- Like we just need to confront the business
00:27:19that you have right now.
00:27:20You need to improve the margins
00:27:21and you need to go get more acquisition.
00:27:23So that probably means like making more content,
00:27:25running ads to attract a stylist,
00:27:27having some sort of offset front end to get them integrated.
00:27:30How can you run some sort of play within their salons?
00:27:34Trying to use your vernacular.
00:27:37To basically make them more money using your extensions.
00:27:41And then by doing that, then they get converted
00:27:43because they make more money selling extensions
00:27:44than cut and color.
00:27:45And so it's very likely they'll keep selling it.
00:27:47And then you have basically, you have a hunter and a farmer.
00:27:49The hunter is the one that basically closes the deal
00:27:51and gets them to kind of activate their base of ladies,
00:27:56I guess, maybe there's hot guy.
00:27:57- It's just like the constraint of the wholesale
00:27:59is the production time and the capital.
00:28:03And again, like my logic was,
00:28:06well, if I was to invest the same $500,000 into the wholesale,
00:28:09that's a $150,000 margin.
00:28:12Whereas I thought, well, if I invested it into subscription.
00:28:16You'd just lose all of it.
00:28:17(audience laughing)
00:28:18- Maybe that's your limiting belief.
00:28:20(audience laughing)
00:28:23- I've built more software companies
00:28:24to a billion than you have.
00:28:26(audience laughing)
00:28:28- Okay, okay.
00:28:30- All right, so you can play that game.
00:28:32(audience laughing)
00:28:33- Okay.
00:28:35- Do you want my help?
00:28:36- Yes.
00:28:37- Take my advice.
00:28:37- Okay.
00:28:38- Cool.
00:28:39- I should do it.
00:28:40No, I'm joking.
00:28:41(audience laughing)
00:28:42- Thank you Amanda.
00:28:42- My name is Sasha.
00:28:44I sell designer bags and sunglasses.
00:28:47- Cool.
00:28:47- And we do about six million a month.
00:28:49No, sorry, a year, sorry.
00:28:50Six million a year.
00:28:51- Still cool.
00:28:53- And I would like to do 38 million.
00:28:57- Precise.
00:28:57- Yeah, 38 million.
00:28:59- Okay.
00:29:00- And what's stopping me is--
00:29:01- Why 38?
00:29:02- Just because I figured, 100,000 a day,
00:29:07something like that.
00:29:08Round up, down, something like that.
00:29:09- Okay.
00:29:10Got it.
00:29:11- Just a roundabout.
00:29:12And I mean, obviously more.
00:29:15- Yeah, yeah, okay.
00:29:16- But I was thinking 38 would be fair.
00:29:18- Yeah, that works.
00:29:19(audience laughing)
00:29:21- And it is just recruiting.
00:29:22- Recruiting is the bottleneck as you're saying.
00:29:25- Yeah.
00:29:26- Okay, got it.
00:29:27- My house cleaner was my first employee
00:29:30and she just, and because I consumed yours
00:29:32and Layla's content so much that I was like,
00:29:35I'm gonna be these two people in one.
00:29:37That's me.
00:29:38I'm gonna be these two people.
00:29:39And as a result, I have a great team.
00:29:43- Okay.
00:29:44- A really great team.
00:29:45And it's just a matter of being militant
00:29:47in the recruiting process.
00:29:49- Okay.
00:29:50- We do sell on whatnot quite a bit.
00:29:54- So who do you have what's stopping you?
00:29:55So you make money, $6 million a year selling handbags.
00:30:01- And sunglasses.
00:30:02- And sunglasses.
00:30:03For you to sell more handbags and sunglasses,
00:30:05you need more people to do that?
00:30:07- Yes, because we only go live for about five hours a day
00:30:10because we get tired.
00:30:12It's just me.
00:30:13Well, me and, I have three salespeople,
00:30:17but it's just we get tired.
00:30:20If we were live more often, we could create more.
00:30:22- You're going live on like your Instagram page or your what?
00:30:26- On whatnot.
00:30:27- Okay, got it.
00:30:28And do you have like a big following there?
00:30:30- 110,000.
00:30:31- And so you're just selling to that same base.
00:30:33And if you just sold for longer, you would make more.
00:30:36- A lot more.
00:30:37$200,000 in the show.
00:30:38- Okay.
00:30:39So you just need like two more salespeople
00:30:41who are going on camera?
00:30:42- But yeah.
00:30:44And then the recruiting as well.
00:30:46- Recruiting for what?
00:30:47- Packing, 'cause we do a lot of--
00:30:50- You do your own 3PL or not third party,
00:30:52but like you do your own logistics?
00:30:53Why?
00:30:56- Why do we do it ourselves?
00:30:58I didn't know you can have other people do it.
00:31:01- Boy, oh boy.
00:31:03Yeah.
00:31:03(all laughing)
00:31:07Step inside.
00:31:08Yes.
00:31:09So functionally like,
00:31:11because of the nature of the business that you're in,
00:31:14we have to think like,
00:31:14'cause we have to consolidate resources.
00:31:16I'm not normally somebody who's like,
00:31:18let's cut parts of the business out.
00:31:20But unless your shipping is some key differentiator
00:31:24that you have,
00:31:25like Amazon shipping became a competitive advantage, right?
00:31:30But unless that's like some differentiator,
00:31:32then shipping for the most part is pretty commoditized.
00:31:35And there are people who all day long,
00:31:37they think about like saving 15 cents on cardboard boxes
00:31:40and tape and packing peanuts and all that shit.
00:31:43And I think that you having to like,
00:31:47think about that and run a functionally a warehouse
00:31:51at the same time as running a marketing and sales
00:31:53and talent business slash media,
00:31:55that's not where the value is.
00:31:57The value's in the distribution and the sales.
00:31:59And so I would say like, can we outsource this so that,
00:32:05can we outsource this, the logistics part?
00:32:08So that you can just go all in.
00:32:10'Cause all we had to do is you get two more salespeople
00:32:12and you get 200,000 a day.
00:32:14We should do that.
00:32:15- So we have to physically show the product.
00:32:20Like literally-- - No, I'm not saying
00:32:21you don't have like some product on hand.
00:32:24You just don't need a warehouse.
00:32:26- No, we do need it.
00:32:27'Cause it's like, go, go, go, go.
00:32:31- Okay. - That's the speed.
00:32:31We run probably about--
00:32:33- So you're like, we sold this item to this person
00:32:36is how you do it.
00:32:36- Yes. - Okay, got it.
00:32:39- And it is kind of like a warehouse.
00:32:41- Okay, that's fine.
00:32:43All right, so you just need to hire more people.
00:32:45So what's stopping you from hiring more people?
00:32:47- The talent.
00:32:48- The talent to hire more people?
00:32:50- Well, I'm learning now, that's why I'm here.
00:32:52- No, no, you're good, you're good.
00:32:54So I'm saying like, you have two sets of roles.
00:32:56You've got warehouse folks
00:32:57and you've got people who can get on camera, right?
00:33:00So what are you currently doing
00:33:02so you get each of those people?
00:33:04- Well, we have ads on Indeed.
00:33:06- Okay.
00:33:07- But I didn't realize how militant it had to be
00:33:08until I came here.
00:33:09It makes a lot of sense, right?
00:33:12I didn't know that there's that many interviews
00:33:14that are required.
00:33:15- And that's more for the warehouse side, correct?
00:33:19- Both, because sales is--
00:33:21- I think that you'd be able to find salespeople,
00:33:24like I would probably look at Amazon affiliates.
00:33:28- How much would you pay them?
00:33:30- Percentage.
00:33:31- Well, that's the thing.
00:33:33So, okay, so it takes skill to do what we do.
00:33:35- Yeah.
00:33:36- It takes skill.
00:33:37- Agreed.
00:33:38- Like, for example, my girl is better than me.
00:33:42- Great.
00:33:43- She's better than me.
00:33:44And it's like, not only is it motor skills,
00:33:48it's presentation and entertainment.
00:33:52- I get it.
00:33:53I understand.
00:33:56I did a live for three days.
00:33:58I got it.
00:33:58Yeah.
00:34:01- So finding and training that,
00:34:04that's definitely a process and takes time.
00:34:06- Yeah.
00:34:07The question is whether you want to buy or build.
00:34:09Do you want to buy the talent or build the talent?
00:34:11Building the talent is cheaper, takes longer, harder.
00:34:13Buying the talent is faster, more expensive.
00:34:16Which one feels right for you?
00:34:18- So when it comes to the,
00:34:22so we have, we're not always,
00:34:25so we are profitable per show, yes.
00:34:28- Okay.
00:34:29- Profitable per show.
00:34:30- But sometimes what ends up happening is like,
00:34:33let's just say it's a Wednesday.
00:34:35- Are you on cash-based accounting or accrual?
00:34:38Probably cash.
00:34:39- Yeah.
00:34:39- So you might like, if basically,
00:34:41if you were in a physical products business,
00:34:43which you do here, you're like, okay, we made money.
00:34:49Now let's take all of that profit, gross profit that we had
00:34:51and go buy more shit so we can sell more shit, right?
00:34:54Right, so this is where like, you probably have,
00:34:57what's your, like, what's your financial,
00:34:59the financial side of the business, the financial ops
00:35:00look like?
00:35:01- My accountant handles it.
00:35:04- Your who?
00:35:05- My accountant.
00:35:05- Oh, your accountant does it, okay.
00:35:06- Yeah.
00:35:08- You will need to have, soon,
00:35:11a relatively strong finance person
00:35:13who can give you better forecasting so that you can,
00:35:15it's not just like, how much cash do we have in bank account,
00:35:17let's go buy more shit.
00:35:18It's like, we can only afford to buy this much,
00:35:20given this growth rate that we want to have.
00:35:23Otherwise you will get into these probably cash crunches
00:35:25that you're feeling right now.
00:35:26It's not that the business isn't profitable,
00:35:28'cause I'm guessing the headcount's not super buy.
00:35:31- So our shows will make anywhere
00:35:34from like five to 7,000 in profit,
00:35:36depending on the volume that we did that day.
00:35:38So we know the profit per show, however,
00:35:41that's where the skill comes into play.
00:35:44Like if a show's not going well,
00:35:45we need to have that person trained
00:35:47to be able to do the thing.
00:35:49And so that's why not knowing how much to pay them
00:35:52is the concern.
00:35:53- Well, I mean, I think doing a percentage would make sense.
00:35:56- Percentage of profit.
00:35:57- Yeah, like a salesperson.
00:35:59- Okay.
00:36:00- And so you can buy or build that, right?
00:36:02So you buy it as I would just go to mini micro influencers
00:36:05who are already like on Amazon hawking stuff and be like,
00:36:08well, they already do live streams
00:36:09and they already do sell shit.
00:36:11And I bet I could teach them to do this for me.
00:36:13That is a buy version.
00:36:14'Cause you already know it's already proven.
00:36:16You're just saying, hey, do it under my umbrella.
00:36:17The build version is that you have to kiss a lot more toads
00:36:20and try and look for who has already built in
00:36:24a bunch of soft skills.
00:36:26And then you can hire for the smallest skill deficiency
00:36:31that you know how to train.
00:36:32- Okay, so Amazon affiliates.
00:36:34- Well, you can do either, but like, yeah, I mean,
00:36:35obviously this is gonna be a lower risk thing.
00:36:36And then you just have to have some agreement
00:36:38that they're gonna only sell for you for X period of time.
00:36:41- Like a contract.
00:36:41- Like a contract.
00:36:43- Thank you.
00:36:44- Yes, but I would, but big picture,
00:36:45'cause I wanna make sure that you're good.
00:36:48The Indeed warehouse stuff, that's just like commoditized.
00:36:50I mean, you have a warehouse,
00:36:51maybe you have to have it for your business,
00:36:53but like, I don't see that as like,
00:36:54that's not a core differentiator.
00:36:56You might, you're not different
00:36:57because you have a warehouse behind you.
00:36:59That's not special.
00:37:00So the roles that you have there, it's like,
00:37:02they need to be like, have a pulse, have a good leader there.
00:37:05Let them just deal with it.
00:37:06Your star factor is gonna be your ability
00:37:10to train people to sell.
00:37:12And so that's like, where's your, what is like,
00:37:15what is the true pinpoint of where the most value
00:37:17gets created for you as the founder, the entrepreneur,
00:37:20is that you need to be able to take somebody
00:37:21and teach them to sell.
00:37:23- I, yeah, my.
00:37:26And you have to break it down in terms
00:37:28of the most concrete language you possibly can.
00:37:32And so think of everything purely in terms of behavior
00:37:35and do not use any amorphous words.
00:37:38So it's like, I need you to have higher energy.
00:37:40That means nothing.
00:37:41I need you to raise your voice.
00:37:43I need you to talk faster.
00:37:44I need you to have your shoulders back.
00:37:46You have to describe things that people can see.
00:37:48And then other people describe them as having high energy,
00:37:50having charisma, having confidence.
00:37:52And so if you wanna teach someone to present,
00:37:55you have to tell them what to do with their body
00:37:57and their voice, and it will be far faster for you.
00:38:00And what you'll find is the training lab,
00:38:02the reason it takes so long for people to train
00:38:04or they can, or they can't train salespeople
00:38:06or presentation people is because they literally
00:38:08do not use words that other people understand.
00:38:11Like this is the problem.
00:38:12This is why most companies cannot teach people to do shit.
00:38:15Because they say, have more charisma,
00:38:17and then the person listens and is like,
00:38:19I'll translate that into what I think charisma means,
00:38:21which who fucking knows what they think it means, right?
00:38:24And then we're just playing this telephone game
00:38:25where no one agreed on what are the behaviors
00:38:27I want you to do.
00:38:29That will compress the amount of time
00:38:31that will take you to get someone up to speed.
00:38:33And two, long-term, if you can develop the sales training,
00:38:36then you can have a stable of stallions
00:38:38that are on 24/7 for you working in your barn.
00:38:42- So that--
00:38:43- I don't know why it's animals now, but let's go with it.
00:38:45- So that's actually, that brings up a good point.
00:38:48So I have, so my girl, like I said,
00:38:52she's my house cleaner, shows up at my door one day.
00:38:54She's like, hey, I want to be you.
00:38:58And she's like, I'm a copy and paste of you.
00:39:00And she became me.
00:39:01Now there's a little bit, like a little bit of a,
00:39:05how can I, 'cause obviously I had to learn to care apart,
00:39:08like from Laila.
00:39:09So I learned to care apart and now I have it.
00:39:15But then I've seen her, I mean,
00:39:17I've seen situations kind of like not go the way they should
00:39:21because she's too, she's a copy and paste of me
00:39:24from yesterday.
00:39:26So I'm starting to see those kind of--
00:39:28- What's the problem?
00:39:29We'll just put her in front of the camera,
00:39:33have her sell and get her out of the building.
00:39:35It's like, she can sell.
00:39:37- Yeah.
00:39:38- So let her sell.
00:39:38Don't have her manage people, have her sell.
00:39:40- Got it.
00:39:41Understood, thank you.
00:39:42- Okay.
00:39:43(laughing)
00:39:44This is good talk, yeah.
00:39:44- Okay, thank you.
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