00:00:00"Why do your best ideas show up at the worst possible time?"
00:00:04Not when you sit down to work,
00:00:05not when you open your laptop,
00:00:07not when you're staring at a blank screen
00:00:09trying to force something smart to happen.
00:00:11They hit in the shower, on a walk, behind the wheel,
00:00:15right as you're about to fall asleep.
00:00:17That's not a discipline problem
00:00:18and it's not a creativity flaw.
00:00:20It's a misunderstanding of how ideas actually form.
00:00:24I've spent more than 20 years
00:00:25studying human motivation and behavior,
00:00:27interviewing scientists, digging through thousands of studies
00:00:30and writing books about how people think, work, and create.
00:00:32And the science keeps pointing to the same conclusion.
00:00:35Your best ideas don't come from trying harder.
00:00:37They come when the mind is allowed to loosen its grip.
00:00:41In a minute, I'll explain why that is
00:00:43and how to redesign your day
00:00:45so your best ideas stop ambushing you at inconvenient moments
00:00:48and start showing up when you can actually use them.
00:00:50And later, my friend David Epstein is gonna join us
00:00:52to tell us a remarkable story about a scientist
00:00:54who stopped trying to think his way to breakthroughs
00:00:56and accidentally discovered a system
00:00:58that produced them instead.
00:01:00It's called Saturday Morning Experiments.
00:01:03The diagnosis.
00:01:05We tend to think ideas come from focus,
00:01:08that we can sit down, concentrate,
00:01:10and then conjure brilliance from the universe
00:01:12anytime we'd like.
00:01:13But science says something very different.
00:01:15For instance, one well-known study found that physicists
00:01:17and writers had their aha moments
00:01:19when their minds were wandering.
00:01:21That's because psychologists and learning experts
00:01:23like Barb Oakley distinguished between two mental modes.
00:01:27Focus mode, that's when you're concentrating, analyzing,
00:01:30executing, and diffuse mode.
00:01:31That's when your mind is wandering, relaxed, and open.
00:01:34Focus mode is great for editing, refining, finishing.
00:01:39But most insights, those eureka moments,
00:01:41come from diffuse mode.
00:01:43That's why ideas pop up when you're showering, working out,
00:01:47shaving, or putting on makeup.
00:01:48In these moments, your brain's default mode network kicks in.
00:01:52This network specializes in making remote connections.
00:01:56Your brain quietly asking,
00:01:58what does this have to do with that?
00:02:02Which explains something important.
00:02:04Daydreaming is not wasted time.
00:02:07It's time deployed in a new way.
00:02:10It's where old thoughts break down
00:02:13and recombine into something new.
00:02:14That's also why trying to force ideas often backfires.
00:02:18Pressure narrows thinking, relaxation widens it.
00:02:22So when you say, I get my best ideas at the worst time,
00:02:26what you really mean is my life is optimized for execution,
00:02:31but not for insight.
00:02:33Part two, the prescription.
00:02:34So what do you do?
00:02:36You don't wait passively for lightning to strike,
00:02:38and you don't quit working hard.
00:02:40Instead, you build an idea-friendly system.
00:02:44Here are three specific research back moves.
00:02:48Move number one, separate idea time from work time.
00:02:52Most people demand two incompatible things at once.
00:02:55Generate original ideas and execute efficiently.
00:02:59That's like asking your brain to sprint and wander
00:03:02at the same time.
00:03:03Instead, divide the labor.
00:03:05Do your hardest thinking after focus work, not before it.
00:03:09Too often, we wait for an idea and then start working.
00:03:13The better sequence is the opposite.
00:03:16Work first and then let the idea find you.
00:03:19Here's why.
00:03:20Research on creativity shows that insights often come
00:03:23after you've saturated your brain with a problem
00:03:26and then stepped away.
00:03:28That's the key, stepping away.
00:03:29So try this.
00:03:30Work intensely for 60 to 90 minutes, then stop.
00:03:33Take a walk, do some laundry, space out.
00:03:36You're not slacking.
00:03:37You're letting your brain wander on its own,
00:03:39and that's the key to creative thinking.
00:03:41Move number two, schedule moderately engaging activities
00:03:45on purpose.
00:03:46Researchers call it the shower effect.
00:03:48Activities that balance linear thinking
00:03:51with unbounded divergent thinking help the mind
00:03:54find its way to unexpected ideas.
00:03:56So build these moments into your schedule.
00:03:5815 minutes of quiet thinking time, solo walks.
00:04:01These might feel indulgent, but they're not.
00:04:04Research shows that people consistently underestimate
00:04:07how much they'll enjoy simply sitting
00:04:09with their own thoughts.
00:04:11And thinking and moving at the same time is even more potent.
00:04:14One Stanford study found that people who walked
00:04:16generated nearly twice as many creative ideas
00:04:19as people who were sitting.
00:04:21Not because walking is magical,
00:04:22but because it gently occupies your body
00:04:25while freeing your mind.
00:04:26So here's a rule I recommend.
00:04:28If something reliably gives you ideas,
00:04:31it goes on your calendar, not as a reward,
00:04:34as part of the job.
00:04:3715 minute walks aren't breaks from thinking.
00:04:39They're how thinking actually happens.
00:04:42Move number three.
00:04:44Capture ideas immediately or they will evaporate.
00:04:47Here's something super frustrating that's happened to me
00:04:49and probably happened to you.
00:04:50You're in diffuse mode.
00:04:51An amazing idea comes to you,
00:04:53but you don't have a way to capture it and boof!
00:04:55Advantages.
00:04:56Don't let that happen to you.
00:04:58Stop trusting your memory and instead build a system
00:05:02so you're prepared when ideas strike.
00:05:04Keep a notes app open on your phone
00:05:06or a small notebook nearby
00:05:08or voice memos in your phone.
00:05:09Your only job in the moment is to capture that idea,
00:05:13not to evaluate.
00:05:14Because messy beats forgotten.
00:05:17Then later, during that focus time,
00:05:20you can decide what's worth keeping.
00:05:22Creativity is generous, but it's also fleeting.
00:05:25And remember, your brain is for having ideas,
00:05:28not for keeping them.
00:05:29Part three, the reframe.
00:05:31Let me leave you with this.
00:05:32The problem isn't that your best ideas
00:05:34come at the worst time.
00:05:35The problem is that you've been taught
00:05:36the wrong definition of work.
00:05:39Real creative work has two phases.
00:05:42Loading the problem and letting it go.
00:05:45Execution happens at the desk.
00:05:47Insight often happens everywhere else.
00:05:51So, stop apologizing for walks,
00:05:53stop calling daydreaming a waste of time,
00:05:56and for gosh sakes, take a shower.
00:05:59Those moments aren't distractions from your work.
00:06:01They're the source of it.
00:06:02So here's your experiment.
00:06:04This week, schedule one walk, one shower,
00:06:07or one quiet block of nothing,
00:06:09and protect it like a meeting.
00:06:12If you design for that truth,
00:06:13your best ideas won't feel inconvenient.
00:06:15They'll feel inevitable.
00:06:17And now, through the magic of YouTube,
00:06:21I'm in the office of David Epstein,
00:06:24the science writer, author of the two blockbuster books,
00:06:27The Sports Gene and Range,
00:06:29author of a new, soon-to-be blockbuster book,
00:06:32Inside the Box, and he is here with some,
00:06:34I guess, some advice on what we can do about all this.
00:06:36- Yeah, Dan, I mean, you've been talking about
00:06:37why sometimes our best ideas come at the worst time,
00:06:40and you probably think of Saturday morning
00:06:43as really the worst time to have your best work ideas.
00:06:46But when I was writing Range,
00:06:47I spent some time interviewing a scientist
00:06:48named Oliver Smithies.
00:06:50When I was going through his diaries
00:06:51that were all digitized,
00:06:53I noticed that all of his breakthroughs
00:06:54seemed to come on Saturday morning,
00:06:56and I asked him about that, and he said,
00:06:57"Oh yeah, some people ask me
00:06:58"why I ever worked any other days.
00:07:00"I call it Saturday morning experiments," he said.
00:07:02"It's a time when I'm not under as much pressure,
00:07:04"I can kind of wander and connect ideas,"
00:07:07and it was during one of those Saturday morning experiments
00:07:09where he was trying to figure out a different way
00:07:11to isolate DNA molecules in order to study them,
00:07:14and had this idea harkening back to childhood
00:07:17when he helped his mother starch his father's shirts.
00:07:20- Whoa.
00:07:20- That the starch would be kind of gooey,
00:07:21and maybe he could use that to essentially
00:07:23trap the molecules that he wanted to study,
00:07:25and that turned into an innovation that changed the world,
00:07:29and he went on to win the Nobel Prize.
00:07:31All of his breakthroughs were coming
00:07:32in a Saturday morning time when he said,
00:07:34"You're not beholden to short-term results, you can wander,"
00:07:38and he would even use other people's equipment
00:07:40in his wandering, so his colleagues had an acronym,
00:07:43N-B-G-O-K-F-O, no bloody good but okay for Oliver,
00:07:47because they would leave their old stuff out
00:07:49because on Saturday morning he would experiment with it.
00:07:51So that was his wandering time, and I asked,
00:07:53"Well, why couldn't you wander like that during the week?"
00:07:55And he said, "I just can't, there's other people around,
00:07:58"there are tasks that need to be done,
00:07:59"it had to be Saturday morning."
00:08:01- Right, and did he do this at his house?
00:08:02Did he go into his office or laboratory?
00:08:04- Both, but he would often go into the lab,
00:08:05and in fact, he told me that he had a key
00:08:08to the custodian's closet in case he wanted to use
00:08:11any of the weird equipment in there,
00:08:12which is actually where he got the starch from.
00:08:14So everyone knew this, so they started
00:08:16to give him access during the weekend.
00:08:18- Yeah, this reminds me a little bit of Andre Geim
00:08:20and Konstantin Novoselov who won the Nobel Prize in physics.
00:08:23They did something called Friday Evening Experiments,
00:08:26where they made a huge breakthrough in material science
00:08:28in one of these Friday Evening Experiments.
00:08:30They also ended up winning the Ig Nobel Prize
00:08:34for levitating frogs. - Your silliest work.
00:08:36- Yeah, in the same thing.
00:08:37So it's like, if you give yourself space to wander,
00:08:39you're gonna do stuff that's a total waste of time.
00:08:42- Yeah, yeah.
00:08:42- But that's kind of the point,
00:08:43because in the universe of all that stuff
00:08:45that's a waste of time, could be something is a breakthrough.
00:08:47- And that's the only way to get to it.
00:08:48- Right, right.
00:08:49So you're saying that if I do Friday Evening Experiments
00:08:52or Saturday Morning Experiments, I'll win the Nobel Prize.
00:08:54- That's exactly, I think you're more likely
00:08:56to win the Ig Nobel, but you know, you never know.
00:08:58The point is that you have to have some of that time
00:09:01where you're able to wander.
00:09:02It's like you mentioned Andre Geim and his lab group,
00:09:04that started their discovery of graphene,
00:09:06which is what they won the Nobel for.
00:09:08That started with ripping like thin strips
00:09:10of basically pencil lead, you know, graphite with scotch tape.
00:09:13And it turned into the world's
00:09:15only single atom thick material, right?
00:09:17So it looked stupid basically, but they didn't judge
00:09:20and they allowed themselves that wandering time
00:09:22that apparently is really hard for people to get
00:09:24during the normal week.
00:09:24- Wander, look stupid, don't judge.
00:09:27- I think that's three good lessons from all of this.
00:09:29- Absolutely.
00:09:30- That's what we're doing here, we're wandering.
00:09:32- Looking stupid and not judging.
00:09:34- Two out of three.
00:09:36All right, if this is interesting to you,
00:09:37there's a companion video I did with David
00:09:39that you might like.
00:09:40David tells this great story
00:09:41about a board maintenance engineer
00:09:43who basically helps set Nintendo
00:09:45on a completely different path.
00:09:47And I jump in there too, to talk a little bit
00:09:49about why boredom isn't something to get rid of,
00:09:51but actually one of the ways new ideas emerge.
00:09:54That video is right here.
00:09:57(gentle music)