“If everyone did this, I’d be out of a job” - Divorce Lawyer

CChris Williamson
MarriageWeight Loss/NutritionMental Health

Transcript

00:00:00What are the important things that you think people should do at the start of a relationship to set it up for success?
00:00:05I mean my answer to almost everything is just talking. I just think I think the more that you
00:00:11can talk about
00:00:14I think when you can talk about how you're talking about things, I think that when you can
00:00:20Like almost have a meta commentary happening of like this is so weird, isn't it? It's scary
00:00:26Oh, isn't this interesting what we're doing right now?
00:00:28Like really being able to talk about it almost in a detached fashion and narrative fashion
00:00:33I think there's a lot of value in that. I think there's a lot of value in
00:00:37In talking about
00:00:41Like formative experiences that this person has had and I think there are a lot of fun games that can be played around that
00:00:48You know, there was an article some years ago
00:00:50I forget who authored it, but it was about like 30 questions that can make two people fall in love
00:00:56Yeah, and it gets progressively more intense. Yes. So many of them are in the questions at Chris will x.com slash Valentine's
00:01:02There you go. So I would say that those kinds of entry points. There's a lot there's a
00:01:06Card game now called tails, which is very interesting
00:01:10Steve from diary of CEO has a great, you know, the diary of CEO questions
00:01:15Like there's a lot of really great like supplemental tools
00:01:19That is a fun game like that game of like you're a mystery to me. I'm a mystery to you in some ways
00:01:25We've just started this relationship. We know we like the look of each other. We know we like some things about each other
00:01:31There's an energy and electricity between us. So let's start playing in the world of ideas a little bit. Let's start playing in
00:01:37progressively showing because look what is what is dating but progressively showing more of yourself to another person and what is
00:01:46What have we lost in sort of hookup culture?
00:01:49we've lost that progressive revelation that teasing that sort of playing of like I'm going to show you a little and then I'll show you a
00:01:56Little more and I'm gonna give you a little and then I'll give you a little more and there's this feeling
00:02:00Okay
00:02:00and I'm gonna I'm gonna earn a little and then I'm gonna earn a little more and I'll be
00:02:04rewarded for my efforts by a little bit of sweetness from you and they'll that that's a fun dance that people have been doing for a
00:02:11Really long time and we gave it up in exchange for I'm not sure what we got out of that
00:02:16Roy Baumeister says courtship is the period during which a woman works out if she can do better
00:02:21Yeah
00:02:23But it also sparks something in men that I think we like something that drive the challenge and drive
00:02:32That drive to win and I feel and I feel like you know, we've couched that now as like a toxic masculinity
00:02:40But I don't know. I feel like go fuck yourself, dude, and I can tell you to go fuck yourself neurologically as well
00:02:46The way that men bond is using something called vasopressin. We heard about this. Yeah, okay
00:02:52So here is a thing that I'm trying to achieve. This is why
00:02:55Good boy points in the bedroom when cleaning the kitchen when picking the kids up when dressing nicely
00:03:03When telling him that he needs to shave on a weekend, so he doesn't scratch your face
00:03:07Good boy points will drive a man to do obscene things, especially from a beautiful charming
00:03:14Dealing woman that he's attached to listen. I've trained Brazilian jiu-jitsu for 20 years
00:03:18You think I like having sweaty balls in my face?
00:03:20No, but it's I get tapped 15 times, but I tap a guy once and it's enough for me to go
00:03:26All right
00:03:26I'm getting somewhere only that but when they would think about how much more it is when coach comes past who's got three stripes on
00:03:31His belt rose. Right? Yeah, guys, right. Oh my god
00:03:35Built a law firm and represented some of the wealthiest people in the world when I got my brown belt
00:03:41it was the most exciting I was the proudest accomplishment of my life the amount of hours and
00:03:47Injuries that it took to get there 15 years worth of training to get there
00:03:52So to me, there's something about that that fight that prize that hunt
00:03:56So, you know that old-school idea and by the way women loved
00:04:00loved when there was this courtship piece and there was all of that and again men loved being held a little bit to a
00:04:07Standard and having a sense of and by the way, it solves this body count issue that everyone's so caught up in
00:04:12Because it turns into something that no no there has to be some gatekeeping and there has to be some sense of earning something
00:04:19So I think there's tremendous value in that and I think that if we were early in
00:04:24relationships to start really like progressively showing the other more both physically and
00:04:31Emotionally, right and having maybe even that path coming up at the same time
00:04:37Like as I'm seeing more of you
00:04:39Like if I've seen you with your panties off and I don't know how many siblings you have
00:04:45We're doing things out of order as far as I'm concerned. There's a fascinating series. So Roy Baumeister is
00:04:51Now on sub stack and is just so fascinating. He's writing a series on
00:04:55Sexual novelty at the moment. He's basically advocating that specifically for men women need a different treatment
00:05:01Maybe he'll give that at some point in future specifically for men. You need to titrate the dose of sexual novelty
00:05:06Yeah over as long of a duration as possible and this is good for the men, too
00:05:10It's the same as not letting the kids have ice cream every night
00:05:13This is from his last book which came out about five years ago. Men will do what women demand of them in order to get laid
00:05:18Yep, women set the standards for sex and men meet them. Although this may be considered an unflattering characterization
00:05:24We have found no evidence to contradict the basic general principle that men will do whatever is required in order to obtain sex and perhaps
00:05:30Not a great deal more one of us characterized this in previous work as if women would stop sleeping with jokes
00:05:37Men would stop being jokes
00:05:38Yeah
00:05:39If in order to obtain sex men must become pillars of the community or lie or a mass riches by fair means or foul or be
00:05:46Romantic or funny then men will do precisely that similarly if men need to be broken flaky non-committal and inconsistent
00:05:53Then they will meet these standards appropriately women's make choices modern romance culture and girl magazines are not at fault for emotionally unavailable
00:06:00Behavior in men, but they are not totally unrelated to it either
00:06:05You know, I could not possibly agree with anything more that approach would probably be very bad for my business model
00:06:12And the truth is I'm not a psychologist. I'm not a therapist. I'm not a researcher. I have
00:06:17Facilitated the demise of thousands of unhappy marriages people lie to their therapists people lie on surveys people lie in studies
00:06:26They don't lie to their divorce lawyer
00:06:28They don't because there's no reason to you have attorney-client privilege attached and I have to really know everything to do
00:06:33On that surely people want to put themselves across in the best light
00:06:36Well, they lie to themselves and then they lie to me because they're lying to themselves
00:06:41But because I see so much
00:06:43Data on this person. I see their credit card receipts their text messages
00:06:48Like I I really go in there on people like you have to if someone's going through custody litigation or an ugly contested divorce
00:06:55you get to see everything really and so
00:06:58having now listened to
00:07:01thousands of people men and women the abuser and the abuse to the substance use disorder and the person married to the person with substance use
00:07:08Disorder I've seen I've argued every side of every issue in a divorce
00:07:12I've spent time with you know, perpetrators domestic violence and victims domestic violence
00:07:17I've spent time with every possible permutation and I will tell you
00:07:21If only there were good and bad people in the world like, you know
00:07:25If only we could just find the evil people in segregation through the heart of every month, right?
00:07:29Through the solzhenitsyn through the heart of every man is the line of good and evil
00:07:32And so I genuinely believe that if we were to say look there have to now be standards
00:07:39There has to be a code like I was raised with the idea that men have to have a code
00:07:44Like that a man is supposed to have code and all of the men I aspired to be like which were mostly from literature
00:07:51They were always like samurai
00:07:53They were always the long carabin in in last of the Mohicans, you know, it was all this idea of like the man
00:07:59Who was the protector the provider he had a code he had the things he would do and the things he would not do and nothing
00:08:05Was going to pull him from that and so I I genuinely believe that there is a hunger right now in men
00:08:12For that this sense of what am I supposed to do?
00:08:16Tell me the mission
00:08:17Like tell me what is expected of me and what is not and that women were the gatekeepers when it came to sex
00:08:23They were gatekeeper you had to earn this you had to earn it not by
00:08:28You know, give me the money and then I'll give it to you. It was really more about the
00:08:32Characteristics that made you someone that had resources that is that you were disciplined focused that you were someone who was who was serious about?
00:08:40Things listen, I'm a 53 year old man
00:08:43And if you read the comments on my videos like it's shocking to me
00:08:48How many women are like gaga over me and trust me? It's not looks
00:08:52It's the fact that I look like a serious person like I wear a suit
00:08:57Like, you know how many 53 year old men are running around in hoodies?
00:09:01Yeah, like I but you know, listen, I it's fine
00:09:04But the truth is there is something about old-school
00:09:07Insulinity that is very appealing to women because this this suit is a statement
00:09:13I'm put together. I take this seriously
00:09:16That's what this says. I take this seriously
00:09:19It's why you would wear this to a job interview or a funeral and you wouldn't wear it to the beach
00:09:23Are you wear it?
00:09:24Cuz you're saying I'm here I'm wearing this because I want you to know I take what I'm doing
00:09:27Seriously, and if you put this on when you're getting together with a woman you're saying I take this seriously
00:09:33I take the world seriously. I take my place in it seriously
00:09:37so I think the combination of
00:09:39Again, because I don't think it's a mystery or controversial to say that every man wants a good girl
00:09:45Who's only bad for him and every woman wants a bad boy who's only good for her, right?
00:09:50So the combination of a suit and sleeves of tattoos, it's not shocking that women would find that attractive
00:09:57It's Clark Kent Superman rolled into the one thing
00:09:59So I don't know why we are not saying to young men again
00:10:04Like this is what we should be focusing on is the mission
00:10:07Becoming the best version of yourself cleaning yourself up putting yourself together and saying to women women
00:10:13Listen, you've always been the gatekeepers of sex
00:10:16You always have been so you have to start taking that role seriously
00:10:20And you have to start holding men to some kind of a standard and I'm sure that I'll get
00:10:25Pilloried by people in the red pill space in the manosphere are going to say oh man have to accommodate themselves to women
00:10:31Okay. Yes. Yes. That's how it works when it comes to sexual gatekeeping
00:10:36that's how it works unless you want to be the kind of person that you know sneaks in the back door and steals things and
00:10:41Puts on a false face of what it is that you really want and you want to be disingenuous
00:10:45You're right. You can make a lot of money stealing. You can make a lot of money in a grift
00:10:50Should you be proud of that? I don't think so
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00:12:00That's it

Key Takeaway

A successful relationship requires intentional communication, the gradual revelation of self, and the establishment of high standards by women to guide men toward becoming their best versions.

Highlights

Prioritizing deep communication and "meta-commentary" about the relationship at its start to build a strong foundation.

The importance of "progressive revelation" in dating, where emotional and physical intimacy are shared gradually to build trust and value.

The role of biological factors like vasopressin in male bonding and how "earning" rewards drives positive behavior in men.

The concept of women as "sexual gatekeepers" who set the standards that men will naturally work to meet, whether high or low.

The psychological value of a "code" for men and the symbolic importance of presenting oneself as a serious, disciplined individual.

Insights from a divorce lawyer's perspective, noting that clients are often most honest with their legal counsel regarding the failures of their marriages.

Timeline

The Power of Meta-Communication and Relationship Entry Points

The speaker emphasizes that the most important thing at the start of a relationship is constant and deep communication. He suggests using "meta-commentary" to talk about how the couple is interacting, which helps detach from the intensity and analyze the bond together. Various tools are mentioned as entry points, such as the "30 questions that make people fall in love" and card games like "Tails" or the Diary of a CEO questions. These supplemental tools help navigate the mystery of a new partner by encouraging the sharing of formative experiences. This section establishes that building a world of shared ideas is the first step to a lasting connection.

Progressive Revelation vs. Modern Hookup Culture

This section explores the concept of dating as a process of "progressive revelation," where partners slowly tease out layers of their personality and history. The speaker argues that modern hookup culture has destroyed this "fun dance" by providing everything upfront without any sense of effort or earning. He references Roy Baumeister's view that courtship is a period for evaluation and highlights how the "challenge" of dating sparks a necessary drive in men. By removing the gradual build-up, relationships lose the electricity and the value that comes from truly winning someone's affection. This matters because it frames the loss of traditional courtship as a loss of psychological rewards for both genders.

Neurological Bonding and the Drive to Earn Points

The speaker introduces the hormone vasopressin as a key component in how men bond through achievement and struggle. He uses the analogy of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, where enduring years of hardship for a single belt provides more pride than professional financial success. In a domestic setting, things like "good boy points" for chores or looking sharp drive a man to perform for the woman he is attached to. This section argues that men actually love being held to a standard because it gives them a sense of purpose and a prize to win. Ultimately, this dynamic is presented as a solution to modern concerns like "body count" because it reinstates a sense of gatekeeping and value.

Sexual Novelty and the Standards of Modern Romance

The discussion shifts to sexual novelty and the theory that men require a titrated dose of novelty over a long duration to maintain interest. Citing Roy Baumeister's work, the speaker explains the principle that men will meet whatever standards women set in order to obtain sex. If women demand men be pillars of the community, men will strive for that; if they accept flakes, men will remain flaky. This suggests that the current state of romance is largely dictated by the collective standards women choose to enforce. It highlights a controversial but direct link between female choices and male behavior in the dating market. This section underscores the power dynamics inherent in sexual selection and social expectations.

The Divorce Lawyer's Perspective and the Internal Line of Evil

As a divorce lawyer, the speaker provides a unique perspective based on the demise of thousands of marriages where people are brutally honest. He notes that while people lie to therapists or researchers, they tell the truth to their lawyers because of attorney-client privilege and legal necessity. Through viewing text messages and financial records, he sees the raw reality of human behavior beyond the curated public personas. He references Solzhenitsyn to explain that the line between good and evil runs through every human heart, rather than separating "good" and "bad" people. This experience reinforces his belief that a return to specific standards and codes of conduct is necessary for stable unions. It serves as a grounded, evidence-based warning about the consequences of failing to set clear relationship foundations.

The Masculine Code and the Call for Higher Standards

The final section focuses on the need for men to adopt a "code"—a set of principles like the samurai or literary protectors—and for women to embrace their role as gatekeepers. The speaker uses his own appearance, wearing a suit and having tattoos, as a metaphor for being a "serious person" who takes his place in the world seriously. He encourages young men to focus on their mission and becoming the best version of themselves rather than just chasing sex. Simultaneously, he calls on women to take their role as gatekeepers seriously to force men to rise to a higher standard of discipline and focus. He dismisses potential criticism from the "manosphere," arguing that genuine respect and success come from being authentic rather than disingenuous. This concludes the brief with a call to action for both sexes to reclaim traditional roles of effort and standard-setting.

Health Optimization and Closing Remarks

The video concludes with a promotional segment for Function Health, focusing on the importance of monitoring biomarkers like testosterone. The speaker explains how low levels can lead to sluggishness and a loss of focus, affecting overall life performance. He offers a discount code for the service, emphasizing that understanding one's internal health data is a clear path to improvement. This sponsorship tie-in aligns with the earlier themes of self-improvement and taking one's life seriously. The clip ends by inviting viewers to watch the full episode for more in-depth discussion. This final section transitions from relationship advice to physical health as a foundation for a successful life.

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