The Uber Eats to OnlyFans Pipeline

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00:00:00George, you're a connoisseur of beverages, would you say so as you open another carbonated
00:00:06beverage?
00:00:07Well, gentlemen, have you ever had full fat Coke with salted peanuts in it?
00:00:12No.
00:00:13I have not.
00:00:14Say less.
00:00:15Take a glass.
00:00:16Okay.
00:00:17Take a Coke.
00:00:18Take a peanut.
00:00:20So there's a viral tweet that goes out.
00:00:23About 30 years ago, I read in a Haruki Murakami essay that in America, it's popular to drink
00:00:29cola with peanuts in it.
00:00:31I just went, huh.
00:00:32And a long time passed since then, but I finally tried it.
00:00:35What the hell is this?
00:00:36It's ridiculously delicious.
00:00:37No kidding.
00:00:38It's at a level where I don't want to drink cola any other way anymore.
00:00:41So we are going to drink.
00:00:42Have you before?
00:00:43Or are we going to find out?
00:00:44I saved this.
00:00:45I saw that and I've been edging myself with fucking cola and peanuts since then.
00:00:50Is there an order you have peanuts first?
00:00:51I think that's crazy, right?
00:00:54Peanuts first.
00:00:55Peanuts first seems more insane.
00:00:56Yeah.
00:00:57It's like cereal.
00:00:58I'm just blowing my load early.
00:00:59Hold on.
00:01:00Okay.
00:01:01Peanuts and Coke is the most accidentally perfect food pairings in history.
00:01:04The chemistry explains why this guy can't go back.
00:01:07Coca-Cola sits at pH 2.5, roughly the same acidity as stomach acid.
00:01:12What's awful about it?
00:01:13We need to show the camera what this looks like.
00:01:14It does not look as good as that.
00:01:17Look at how much it's fizzing.
00:01:18Anyway, there's a load of signs.
00:01:20Salt on the peanut suppresses the bitter taste receptors on your tongue, which amplifies your
00:01:24perception of the sweetness without adding a single gram of sugar.
00:01:27The carbonation does two things.
00:01:29CO2 dissolved in liquid forms carbonic acid, which, wait.
00:01:34So I think we need to leave it.
00:01:36So we're going to, we're going to have, we're going to set this down and come back to it.
00:01:38We'll come back to it in like a little bit.
00:01:40Honestly, the original Coke like this alone already would have blown my mind.
00:01:45Yeah.
00:01:46I haven't had, have you had this?
00:01:47This is like, this is Kratum.
00:01:48This is actually Kratum.
00:01:49Yeah.
00:01:50Jared, you need, you need this.
00:01:51Don't forget.
00:01:52You're going to have a high, high potency on yours unless you fill it up.
00:01:55Yeah.
00:01:56This is, this is, you're a better connoisseur of beverages, especially sparkling ones.
00:02:01This is my...
00:02:02Should we take a starter sip?
00:02:03No, I think we wait.
00:02:04I think we wait.
00:02:05We're going to wait for a little bit and then come back to it.
00:02:06And this doesn't get you high or anything?
00:02:08Well, no, it's the only thing that you're interested in.
00:02:11He's no longer interested.
00:02:12No, no, no.
00:02:13I'm interested in other things as well.
00:02:14Okay.
00:02:15All right.
00:02:16What does it do?
00:02:19Question.
00:02:20Question.
00:02:21Who do you think is the highest paid athlete of all time?
00:02:25I know the answer to this.
00:02:27Okay.
00:02:28Well done.
00:02:29One year?
00:02:30All time?
00:02:31All time.
00:02:32All time.
00:02:33Who's the highest paid athlete?
00:02:34Um, Michael Jordan.
00:02:35Ronaldo, Messi.
00:02:36They come to mind.
00:02:37Michael Jordan will be second.
00:02:41Tiger Woods.
00:02:42Third.
00:02:43Joey Chestnut.
00:02:44I'm a palmer.
00:02:45Bonnie Blue, actually.
00:02:46It depends what sport you're talking about.
00:02:48Yeah.
00:02:49Yeah.
00:02:50It's a real endurance.
00:02:51Can I throw in a guess out there?
00:02:53Yeah.
00:02:54A Roman chariot racer who allegedly made over a billion dollars.
00:02:59Correct.
00:03:00You owe Spelman because you just predicted what he was going to say.
00:03:03He's a history teacher.
00:03:04Yeah.
00:03:05Well, Kratum does crazy things to your mind.
00:03:07Gaius Apuleius Diocles.
00:03:10So Michael Jordan has earned $1.8 billion.
00:03:14Tiger Woods, $1.7 billion.
00:03:15Arnold Palmer, $1.4 billion.
00:03:17Jack Nicklaus, $1.2 billion.
00:03:18Oh, it was $15 billion he made.
00:03:21$15 billion in today's money.
00:03:24He basically won 35 million, 863, 120 sesteris.
00:03:31By some estimation, over $15 billion in 2011.
00:03:34And that's pure income from the sport?
00:03:37So I assume because back then there's probably no sponsorships.
00:03:39No sponsorship.
00:03:40Not a shoe deal.
00:03:41Hashtag ad.
00:03:42Yeah.
00:03:43Shield deal.
00:03:44Yeah.
00:03:45I wonder who could have offset his bodicea budget.
00:03:47Wow.
00:03:48$15 billion, dude.
00:03:51And the tweet says, "Eat shit, Michael Jordan, you broke bitch."
00:03:54Yeah.
00:03:55I think I saw that same thing.
00:03:58That's why I knew that.
00:03:59That's what I've contributed.
00:04:00That's what I've contributed.
00:04:01You did kind of ruin it by knowing the answer.
00:04:03But we'll let that slide.
00:04:04No.
00:04:05Do we have a photo of this guy?
00:04:07Just search that dude, Jared.
00:04:09The fucking Gaius Apuleius Diocles.
00:04:11I'm sure you can spell that.
00:04:15It's fascinating coming from the UK to the US and seeing how Europe is kind of criticized
00:04:20as being like a socialist place and the US is seen as this capitalist place.
00:04:24Meanwhile, our sports are way more capitalist.
00:04:28I still don't understand how US sports work where you have ... Because I went to go watch
00:04:32a Miami Heat game and I searched the guy's salaries.
00:04:35One guy's on like 50 million and then the rest are on like his entire salary combined, which
00:04:40is absurd.
00:04:41And he can't make more than that.
00:04:43It's capped, which is un-American, right?
00:04:46And then you have the whole draft at the end of the season where whoever finished last
00:04:51gets rewarded the most.
00:04:53It's the most un-American thing.
00:04:54It's a communist approach.
00:04:55Yeah.
00:04:56All right.
00:04:57Should we drink this Coke?
00:04:58Okay, let's go.
00:04:59You've been staring at me.
00:05:00All right.
00:05:01Cheers, gentlemen.
00:05:02Cheers.
00:05:03Cheers.
00:05:04Cheers.
00:05:05Fucking cheers.
00:05:06Fuck that, mate.
00:05:07Fuck that.
00:05:08Sweet and salty.
00:05:09Tastes quite a lot like Coke.
00:05:10Yeah.
00:05:11Tastes like Coke, but then I ate the peanuts.
00:05:12Which was nice.
00:05:13You know what it tastes like?
00:05:14Coke with peanuts.
00:05:15It did not change the flavor at all for me.
00:05:17Maybe we need to let it sit longer.
00:05:19It's less different.
00:05:20Maybe we need to...
00:05:21I think it's more the aesthetic.
00:05:22Oh, you think that this is an art piece?
00:05:25Yes.
00:05:26Like even if you made a...
00:05:27It looks like what happens if you've eaten too much Mexican food.
00:05:31If you had the best Michelin's, yes.
00:05:37Just looks so much like there's too much fucking...
00:05:42I do enjoy chewing while drinking Coke, so that's good.
00:05:45That's a positive.
00:05:46I'm going to keep going with that.
00:05:47Yeah.
00:05:48What if you...
00:05:49I mean, can you choke on the peanuts?
00:05:50That's always a risk.
00:05:53I have a question for the group that I wanted to ask people on.
00:05:59Bullish or bearish on certain trends.
00:06:01So I kind of want to know trends that are big right now in society or aren't big right now
00:06:06that you think should be bigger.
00:06:07So just give me things that people may be particularly popular about right now that you think don't
00:06:14deserve to be and vice versa.
00:06:16Overpriced and underpriced.
00:06:17Yeah.
00:06:18Okay.
00:06:19What do you think is overhyped at the moment?
00:06:21I want to say AI, but then it's probably going to change the fucking world.
00:06:25I just feel sick of hearing about it.
00:06:26I'm kind of sick of hearing permanently about how it's going to be the end of everything
00:06:31or the beginning of everything.
00:06:32And there's no one that's in the middle.
00:06:34There's no one that's like, yeah, AI is pretty cool.
00:06:36It's people who are complete doomers or just like David Friedberg.
00:06:40Like there's only two ends of the barbell, but I would quite like AI to chill out a little
00:06:45bit in terms of everyone talking about it.
00:06:47I guess we've never lived through a mania like this.
00:06:51I guess the leeriest one would have been the internet.
00:06:54Crypto with NFTs was a little bit, but it was different.
00:06:56Crypto with NFTs was fucking hard, dude.
00:06:58That would have been top of my list.
00:07:00But I think a lot of sensible people were skeptical about NFTs for sure, aspects of crypto.
00:07:09Whereas I feel like, you know, AI right now, even the people who are doomers, they're not
00:07:15saying AI sucks.
00:07:16They're saying it's too powerful.
00:07:18It's either this is so powerful, life is going to be amazing or this is so powerful life is
00:07:23like over for us and nobody's really, nobody really like, Hey, this is, it's just a flash
00:07:27in the pan.
00:07:28Like in the early internet, there's famous articles where it's like the internet won't
00:07:32amount to anything.
00:07:33This is a fancy fax machine.
00:07:34There's you know, there's articles you can go pull up now and mock people.
00:07:37I feel like with AI, we kind of all know.
00:07:39Hmm.
00:07:40What about you?
00:07:41What do you think?
00:07:42Well, I'm getting really into metaverse real estate.
00:07:45It's it's the place.
00:07:46Now's the time to get in.
00:07:47So I'm buying up a lot of land.
00:07:49I've got a place next to Snoop Dogg.
00:07:50This feels a little bit like kicking a dead body whilst it's on the ground and saying that
00:07:54you killed it.
00:07:55Do you know what I mean?
00:07:56You can't say the metaverse is overhyped when it's already dead.
00:07:59You know that Simpsons meme where it's like, stop, stop.
00:08:02He's already dead.
00:08:04Don't see you hanging a board ape up in here, do you?
00:08:06So there you go.
00:08:07Why don't you talk about your cryptos?
00:08:08You know, here's actually a weird one that I was, I did all right on that toad.
00:08:12Did all right on that toad baby.
00:08:15All right.
00:08:17You can look it up on chain as well, actually.
00:08:18So there's no, there's no fraud there.
00:08:20There's no lies.
00:08:21You can, you can verify my NFT activity good stuff.
00:08:25You know, one that I'm weirdly, cause it's thinking about, there's lots of stuff you could
00:08:28say where it's almost trite, right?
00:08:30So you go, AI is going to change the world and it's like, most people will probably agree
00:08:33with that.
00:08:34So therefore it's kind of a neutral statement.
00:08:35And I was thinking, well, what are people, what's cliche to be bearish on right now?
00:08:39And then what's the bullish take for that?
00:08:41My two big ones are number one, the mainstream media.
00:08:46I'm ridiculously bullish in the next five years on the power the mainstream media has.
00:08:51Which is like the, oh, it's kind of like don't go to college kind of statement.
00:08:54Whereas it's kind of saying almost the opposite now of go to college.
00:08:57Mainstream media in particular, this is, it's almost like they have the highest value audience
00:09:03in the world because nobody I know listens to mainstream media and that's kind of part
00:09:07of the joke, except Donald Trump, except kissed armor, except Macron.
00:09:13Like we was at dinner the other night once, but with somebody who used to work in the cabinet
00:09:17in the UK.
00:09:18And one of my favorite questions to ask people apart from that question previously is when
00:09:23you meet somebody who knows a lot about an industry of you've worked in this thing for
00:09:27ages.
00:09:28It's like layman's like me just not appreciate that's really fascinating on the inside.
00:09:33And he paused for a while to answer the question about what it's like being inside number 10.
00:09:37And the thing he reiterated was how much of the conversation is shifted by what's on the
00:09:43BBC or what's on the Guardian.
00:09:45And you kind of see this with Trump a little bit now when he'll address, um, he'll know
00:09:49like each news reporter by name and it's like, meanwhile, nobody reads this.
00:09:54Nobody consumes this, but it still has such a little rivalries with, oh, that's such an
00:09:58in search from the lame times or whatever the, I'm like, what the fuck?
00:10:01Yes.
00:10:02And likewise, um, in number 10, the amount of reactionary time just goes to what's on
00:10:07the headlines that nobody's reading really apart from a few geriatric 65 year olds.
00:10:12Therefore there's still, it's kind of weirdly underpriced.
00:10:14Well, there's, there's always going to be prestige in the mainstream media because there's a limited
00:10:19amount of time and a limited amount of space.
00:10:21Anybody can make a YouTube channel, which is awesome and subversive and rebellious and whatever,
00:10:26but also that means anyone can make it.
00:10:27So there's no prestige associated with doing it.
00:10:30There's only 24 hours in the day on CBS.
00:10:33So if you get 15 minutes of that day implicitly, you're being given something.
00:10:38There's a kind of prestige with it.
00:10:40That being said, has anyone ever watched discovery life?
00:10:42Have you ever seen discovery life?
00:10:46Discovery channel life?
00:10:47No.
00:10:48So I'm fucking training in the gym and there's so many different TV screens, brand new gym.
00:10:52So apparently everybody needs to watch.
00:10:55It's like a three-year-old playing subway surfer whilst watching TikTok at the same time.
00:10:59So fucking screens everywhere.
00:11:00I'm looking over and there's a lovely lady on TV, black lady, like nicely dressed, floral
00:11:07outfit thing.
00:11:08And she is having one of her own fingernails extracted from behind her own ear.
00:11:17Like at 10 AM in the morning.
00:11:20Discovery life is an American cable television network.
00:11:23The channel primarily focuses on reality programming, dealing with life events, programming targets
00:11:27female audience, blah, blah, blah.
00:11:29It is fucking medical emergencies at 10 in the morning.
00:11:32And I'm watching this like five inch long pair of tweezers extract this very nice lady's fingernail
00:11:40from behind her own fucking eardrum.
00:11:42Like I'm trying to do bicep curls and it cut from that to the next one.
00:11:48And it was someone's ribs being punctured, fucking 10, 30 in the morning, only in America
00:11:54would it be like healthcare has become basically a competitive sport now that you can fucking
00:11:59broadcast on the internet.
00:12:01So I feel like this is the sort of thing you would have watched at an after party.
00:12:05I've never seen that.
00:12:07I had this realization.
00:12:08I'm trying to find it now, but I wrote about it ages ago, which was, I was once similar
00:12:11to you in the gym working out and the news was on.
00:12:14And it was just like, this number of people have died in Ukraine today.
00:12:19This number of people have died in Gaza today.
00:12:21And then take these pills.
00:12:25And I imagined it of like, if this was a bloke that was in the gym that was saying this or
00:12:32it was a friend, I'd be like, I'm never speaking to you ever again.
00:12:37And it's like, when you begin to personalize it like that, it's just, you view it so differently.
00:12:44But it would be a guy that was shouting it to the entire room.
00:12:46Yes.
00:12:47He wouldn't even be saying it to you specifically.
00:12:48He'd just be saying this black lady had her fingernail caught behind her eardrum.
00:12:53Do you want me to tell you about the lady that took it out of her?
00:12:55Well, I work out at Planet Fitness, so we have people.
00:12:58You've actually seen this happen live.
00:13:00Yeah.
00:13:01Yeah.
00:13:02There's like homeless people in there wigging out while we're all trying to get fit.
00:13:06And it's a good motivation to be able to run away from it.
00:13:11So holy shit, I need to make more money and work out somewhere else.
00:13:14Is it Planet Fitness, like with your membership comes like free pizza or something?
00:13:17Yeah.
00:13:18Yeah.
00:13:19Station at the gym?
00:13:20Yeah.
00:13:21So you don't get the pills, but you do get a Tootsie Roll.
00:13:23It is.
00:13:24It's embarrassing.
00:13:25Dude.
00:13:26I need to get a different gym.
00:13:28Dude, it's interesting that you say that though about being bullish on mainstream media because
00:13:35they've basically have hit the basement in terms of really everything.
00:13:40So there's no way you could think they're going to do worse in my opinion.
00:13:43You couldn't be more bearish.
00:13:44Yeah.
00:13:45So you're correct.
00:13:46Well, I'll give you a note.
00:13:47I'm hitting the basement right now.
00:13:49One that I would buy the shit out of is the United Kingdom.
00:13:54Everybody right now, the UK, literally, I think yesterday the news came out around, it's like
00:13:57the worst economic change in terms of the bond rating.
00:14:00Like the doom and gloom around the UK is so strong right now, but you just go, it's with
00:14:05a goat.
00:14:06Hang on.
00:14:07Are you going to say never bet against the UK?
00:14:08No, no, no.
00:14:09No, no, no.
00:14:10Yes.
00:14:11Yes.
00:14:12Long term.
00:14:13Yes.
00:14:14Just from, just from, even if they do nothing again, just from a pure IP perspective, like
00:14:15just what you have, like I always think I was getting an argument today with Claude, um,
00:14:18in the car.
00:14:19Um, and sometimes I'll, I'll like bounce between Claude chat GPT and crock.
00:14:23That's my like hat.
00:14:24That's like when one of your side pieces won't put out, you pivot to another one.
00:14:32I went, I went to dad and he said, no, mom.
00:14:36I posed the question to Claude and I'm interested in your guys take on this of who's had more,
00:14:42who's more impactful to the world, the Roman empire or United Kingdom.
00:14:46And I think it's the United Kingdom pound for pound, I think pound for pound.
00:14:49We're one third the size of Texas.
00:14:51And like who can, who, who's managed to, um, do this level of output that we've managed
00:14:55to do.
00:14:56And which is a very un-British thing to say.
00:14:57Really living on fucking borrowed time though.
00:14:59Not really.
00:15:00Not really.
00:15:01When was the last thing we did that was cool?
00:15:02Um, deep mind AI, like the whole AI industry comes out of essentially London.
00:15:06How many people do you think know that?
00:15:07Um, this is the technical, the way of viewing UK to the U S is like, we're the technical
00:15:12guy that makes no money and comes up with all the ideas.
00:15:14And then these guys are just sales and marketing.
00:15:16Like you can do, um, uh, AI, essentially the UK, you could do Tim Berners Lee, the internet.
00:15:23You could do, um, I mean, I don't know if this is fully true, but cause it, maybe he's such
00:15:28a genius that he fought this through, but Bitcoin white paper written in, um, British English
00:15:32to correct English.
00:15:33Oh, come on.
00:15:34I don't know who he is, but there's a little bit, there's a little bit of something that
00:15:37probably, but like if you look at, um, yeah, if you want to keep going back, I always had
00:15:44this thing of if God had, um, like top trumps of Grace's country, um, and like each country
00:15:51tries to play the hand.
00:15:52It's the UK is a very tough one to compete with.
00:15:54Very dwindling though.
00:15:55Like when you think about what the market's trend is at the moment,
00:15:59He's being on mainstream, but if you I'm talking about the history of civilization, Roman empire,
00:16:07what the Italians doing, but the Roman empire still gets a lot of credit this day, but I
00:16:10just think, um, going back to the question, um, I'm bullish on the UK.
00:16:15Um, just, just in terms of pure IP, um, and impact on the world.
00:16:19But bullish would suggest that you'd invest in it.
00:16:22Yes.
00:16:23What with money, I put it all into the metaverse.
00:16:25I've got the metaverse CNN.
00:16:29Yeah.
00:16:30Yeah.
00:16:31Bridgerton.
00:16:32Yeah.
00:16:33What do you think about Claude?
00:16:34What do you mean?
00:16:35Do you like it?
00:16:36The AI?
00:16:37Yeah.
00:16:38I personally think each, each different AI slightly different.
00:16:39So I'll use what you might know.
00:16:40If somebody's created this yet, what I want and I kind of, I did this, but I couldn't be
00:16:43bothered actually turning it into a product, which I just want a group chat where I can
00:16:47post something in there.
00:16:48They all reply and then they roast one another back and forth in the replies.
00:16:51That's the best, isn't it, general adversarial network.
00:16:55That's what that's called.
00:16:56Look at the big brain.
00:16:57That was amazing.
00:16:58Fucking that's it.
00:16:59Um, uh, Jim O'Shaughnessy's got it for his super crazy fucking AI thing.
00:17:04And uh, he said, yeah, they can get all of the different models to argue with each other
00:17:09behind the scenes.
00:17:10And then whoever has the best answer for this one does it.
00:17:12When you use grok, they show it so that if you use like heavy grok or super grok or whatever
00:17:16Elon calls it, you ask a question and agent one pops up.
00:17:19He starts talking like, I think what he wants to know is blah, blah, blah.
00:17:22Agent two comes in.
00:17:23Well, that wouldn't really be fully accurate.
00:17:24He should really be thinking about this agent three and it'll show up to 15 or 16 agents.
00:17:30Basically like within the same AI, what you're talking about is you want Claude arguing with
00:17:33chat GPT, arguing with fucking Opus, like literally a group chat.
00:17:38Jared, pull up that New York post article that I sent you.
00:17:41Stressed Gen Z is carrying around anxiety bags with tools to calm their nerves.
00:17:46Uh, Hannah Fowles was spiraling.
00:17:48It'd been a grueling day at work and by the time the 22 year old from Provo, Utah got home,
00:17:52panic was bubbling in her chest and thoughts raced as her cheeks flushed red.
00:17:55I was starting to get super overheated.
00:17:57I couldn't calm myself down, Fowles told the post.
00:17:59Nothing that I normally do like breathing exercises or lying down in a dark room is working.
00:18:04Then she saw the bag.
00:18:05Jesus Christ.
00:18:08Just weeks earlier, Fowles and her therapist had put together a small grab and go kit filled
00:18:12with items to calm her when anxiety strikes.
00:18:15Then she flicked on a small portable fan, letting the cool air wash over her face.
00:18:19Pressed a cold pack to the back of her neck while on the other hand, she gripped a spiky
00:18:22fidget toy, feeling it's prongs sticking to her palm as the panic began to web.
00:18:26Now I know what you want to do.
00:18:27What you want to do is make fun of these people for having, look how it's an EDC bug out bag
00:18:33that like military guys have, but for Gen Z, Gen Z people, what I want to know, what I
00:18:39want to know is what would be in your anxiety bag?
00:18:42Well, I actually have one of those bags.
00:18:45It's called a bag of drugs, Chris, thank you for asking me.
00:18:50Uh, yeah, just, uh, five grams of whole leaf kratom.
00:18:53We got kratom.
00:18:54We've got some amphetamines in there.
00:18:56We've got new tonics.
00:18:57We've got valiums, anxiety or just, oh, no, I'm just addicted to drugs.
00:19:05This is, this is, uh, what was the question?
00:19:08I don't think you should make fun of people like this though, because it's not really their
00:19:10fault that they're being sort of conditioned to have this obsession with mental health.
00:19:18That's my theory.
00:19:19That's exactly what I said.
00:19:20Like you take DEI.
00:19:21DEI starts from a good place.
00:19:22Hey, we should include more people.
00:19:23We should be more equitable.
00:19:24Everyone should get a fair opportunity to shot, but then these movements can get hijacked and
00:19:29the movements can get hijacked and stretched and to the point where it doesn't really resemble
00:19:33where it started.
00:19:34You guys see this thing with the Canadian politician who was using the LGBTQ acronym, but it was
00:19:39like 14 letters long.
00:19:41It's what is it?
00:19:42Murdered and missing women and children, indigenous women and children, MM, did you see this?
00:19:48It's a full sentence long.
00:19:51She's giving a press conference and she stands there and she just, with a straight face says,
00:19:56she wants to express her like, you know, condolences or whatever to the MMIWG2SL, there's a number
00:20:02in there, 2SLGBTQQIA+ and she just says that with a straight face.
00:20:08And then people were like, what the hell was all that?
00:20:11And it's like, includes like murder victims, murderers, missing women and children, indigenous
00:20:16people, like two-spirit, the two is for two-spirit, which is like, yeah, like A is in there, which
00:20:24is asexual.
00:20:25So here it is.
00:20:26Holy shit.
00:20:27That's long.
00:20:28Was released.
00:20:29I was shocked to find out that prime minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between indigenous
00:20:35services Canada and crown indigenous relations.
00:20:39They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+.
00:20:48That's impressive.
00:20:49That was honestly great.
00:20:51She runs it back.
00:20:53Indigenous women across this country, indigenous women, girls, 2SLGBTQIA+.
00:21:01It's fucking wild.
00:21:02She's not reading off anything.
00:21:03No.
00:21:04She's off the dome.
00:21:05No, that's Eminem.
00:21:06She's like, she's like the fucking Harry Mack of coming up with acronyms.
00:21:11You know that dude?
00:21:12He's like, shout out three words and it's like umbrellas, steaks, shoes, and he like freestyle
00:21:17raps and entire thing about it.
00:21:19The Jay Z.
00:21:20And they're serious about this too.
00:21:21That's not even a joke.
00:21:22That's what's insane.
00:21:23It's not SNL.
00:21:24On your mental health point, if this is why this, it's, but I think what ends up happening
00:21:30is you end up with these swings.
00:21:32You can then have a swing so far the other way where it's like, I mean, everybody's known
00:21:36somebody's taken their own life, right?
00:21:38Like it's that side of things is like serious.
00:21:40The problem with a lot of these things is you get to like a lot of the root of human experiences,
00:21:44which is like, ironically, a little bit of that, but so much of it is around the language
00:21:48that we use and within mental health, you bundled up so much that you bundled up 7 billion individuals
00:21:55and it's become such a black and white term.
00:21:58Whereas I always use the example like diabetes is quite an interesting one, right?
00:22:01Because you have type one diabetes, which is a genuine medical condition that somebody's
00:22:07had from birth.
00:22:09And then you have type two diabetes, which is a little bit more, it's a lot more your
00:22:14choice in your environment.
00:22:15And it feels like you don't have that kind of nuance around that.
00:22:17I'm going to try and just speed run my diabetes.
00:22:19This is getting better by the way.
00:22:21Yeah.
00:22:22Actually.
00:22:23It's getting better.
00:22:24Try it again.
00:22:25Coke on the nuts?
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00:23:43You do have some of these language hacks that exist.
00:23:45I always joke that cybersecurity, nobody takes it serious as an industry because the naming's
00:23:51just awful.
00:23:53And the biggest thing the cybersecurity industry could do is no new technology if they just
00:23:57branded it as CTIs, like taking it from STIs, like computer-transmitted infections.
00:24:01All of a sudden, I'm like, I feel a little bit more dirty about it.
00:24:04And likewise, the homeless problem right now, how many people who are homeless, is that the
00:24:10main cause?
00:24:11It's often, it'll be ironically some serious mental health issue that's going on.
00:24:14Oh, yeah.
00:24:15So like the language that we use...
00:24:16You spend a lot of time interviewing people.
00:24:17I've interviewed so many homeless people.
00:24:18Dude, half of them want to be homeless, and to be quite frank, I don't really blame them.
00:24:22If you want to go live in the woods, as long as you're not...
00:24:26Why would somebody want to be homeless?
00:24:28Because they're not being tethered to this system that we're all living within that is
00:24:32currently kind of going down the drain.
00:24:34I mean, I don't really blame them.
00:24:35That thing that we just pulled up, though, is exactly why people aren't taking mental
00:24:39health seriously anymore, though, because there's a fucking, in that, what's it called, the DSVM
00:24:433 or whatever.
00:24:45There's a disease for everything, you know, like, for example, when I was growing up, I
00:24:51got diagnosed all sorts of shit, but really, I was just a little asshole, and when you start
00:24:57saying I got ADHD, or I'm bipolar, or I got borderline, or you got this or that or whatever,
00:25:01you know, I got a crutch I can lean on for every single fucking shitty thing I do to somebody,
00:25:07which is awesome.
00:25:08There's a great line that someone said to me, which was mental health is both under-diagnosed
00:25:14and over-diagnosed.
00:25:15There's people who don't have it that just live through it and don't know, and people
00:25:20who don't have it that make it their entire personality.
00:25:22All the people that actually have serious mental health problems that I'm at least friends
00:25:27with are mostly undiagnosed, and they're just kind of, you know, wandering through life.
00:25:33Trying to make do.
00:25:34Yeah, dude.
00:25:35Seriously.
00:25:36I agree with you, and I think it's easy to be like callous or whatever, like flipping
00:25:40about these, the people that have been diagnosed or self-diagnosed or found this sort of mental
00:25:45health become more fragile.
00:25:47They don't want to be fucked.
00:25:48Like they don't want to be that fragile, they're just trying to hold on to some sense of certainty,
00:25:52and the certainty has now come from their diagnosis rather than their agency.
00:25:57Like they just can't make that thing happen.
00:25:59And in a world that seems to pedestalize, I mean, there's even a trend on Instagram of
00:26:05people having their mental health maladies in their bio.
00:26:09Like chicks do like Jesus in bio, or pronouns.
00:26:14These are my maladies, because that's where they're trying to find some sense of identity.
00:26:19And I don't think they want that, it fucking sucks for those people.
00:26:22That's because, like I was saying, the same reason homeless people are like, yeah, I'm
00:26:26checked out of this thing.
00:26:27It's because they don't fit into this system really, because the system's just not working.
00:26:32You know, and I'm using this system just as like a generality, because it is so massive.
00:26:40But when you have people that are like not fitting into it, they want to find a community
00:26:46within the other people that are all locked up in the head, you know, I mean, it's the
00:26:51same reason why drug addicts all hang out together.
00:26:53And I think drug addiction is another thing that's misdiagnosed.
00:26:58Like I guess I didn't say that well.
00:27:06People that are drug addicts, which can I think pretty much happen to anybody, certain people
00:27:11are probably more predisposed to it.
00:27:13But people that are drug addicts get misdiagnosed as having some sort of mental health problem.
00:27:19But really, they're just on drugs and then off of drugs.
00:27:22They're withdrawing, then they're high again.
00:27:24Like when you kicked off your video guy.
00:27:26Yeah, so the first thing I want to bring to the table for today is kratom.
00:27:32Kratom is something I've been looking into because there's a, I think, sort of an epidemic
00:27:37happening.
00:27:38And there's a video we got here that I can have pulled up.
00:27:43This is the guy I'm working with who I wigged out on the other day because he didn't buy
00:27:46me $10 of kratom and I quit the doc because of that.
00:27:50Yeah, this stuff's strong.
00:27:52So what he's talking about for to contextualize all this is 7OH is 7-hydroxymitrogen, which
00:27:59is one of the, I guess, we could just call it a chemical, I don't know the science behind
00:28:06it.
00:28:07We're going to go actually interview a chemist about this stuff.
00:28:09But basically, people are taking kratom, which is sold over the counter at gas stations and
00:28:15head shops and there's even kratom shops.
00:28:17But it is a leaf that's from Southeast Asia that sort of mimics the effects of certain
00:28:26stimulants but also opioids, it acts on your opioid receptors and SSRIs.
00:28:30And I think I know a handful of people that have gotten very addicted to it.
00:28:35And they're saying that it is the withdrawal is worse than heroin, which is pretty unbelievable
00:28:43given that heroin withdrawal is horrendous.
00:28:45And that's it there?
00:28:46Yeah, man.
00:28:47I should have brought some for everybody.
00:28:49But you're just drinking that.
00:28:51Yeah, this is a lower dose than I was drinking.
00:28:53You're telling me it's like worse than heroin but you're just...
00:28:56So here's the thing, though.
00:28:57So there's a difference between, and I'm still in the process of figuring all this out.
00:29:01Literally.
00:29:02Literally.
00:29:03Yeah.
00:29:04So I was drinking a bunch of this stuff every day for the past month.
00:29:07And then I sort of wigged out on my documentary partner.
00:29:12Because yeah, it'll be in the doc, but there's, we're at a head shop.
00:29:18And I was like, hey, dude, let's get some of this kratom, I want to test this stuff out.
00:29:20And there's these things, there's 7OH pills, which is, it's like almost like Percocet basically,
00:29:26and it's sold over the counter, which is nuts.
00:29:28I mean, I'm not bashing it necessarily, but it's interesting.
00:29:33It's sort of the Wild West of this drug.
00:29:35And it's not it's not like it's a new thing.
00:29:36They tried banning this in 2016.
00:29:38The reason I'm bringing it up is because we're doing this documentary.
00:29:40And I think that we're on the verge of potentially an epidemic with it.
00:29:46Yeah.
00:29:47This has been, I've seen this in Austin since I basically got here.
00:29:50So there's a few small glass vials, you know, like a five hour energy.
00:29:55And there was a company that was making them.
00:29:57And one of my friends had another guy who'd been addicted, he'd had whatever the addiction
00:30:01gene is, addicted to every different drug throughout his entire life.
00:30:04There's even YouTube channels of these people and they'll say, which drug fucked my life
00:30:08up the most?
00:30:09And they'll just list every drug because they tried everything.
00:30:11They're like, well, coming off LSD was actually not that bad.
00:30:13I had this period where I was on MDMA every single day for like two months.
00:30:17And that was really, really rough because my serotonin and da, da, da, da, da, da.
00:30:20And he said of all of the things that he tried, the hardest to get off of was kratom.
00:30:27And then he knew so much at six in the morning, the sunrise mini mart on whatever fucking South
00:30:33Lamar street or something.
00:30:35He was outside, like waiting, waiting for this.
00:30:39And then this company had taken the, uh, the kratom content without changing the bottling
00:30:44from five grams of whole leaf to two and a half.
00:30:46And he knew, and as soon as he had it, he was like, my fucking kratom has been stepped
00:30:50on.
00:30:51He felt like from the mini mart, the sunrise mini mart had stepped on his or whatever the
00:30:56company that was making this because these people aren't treating it like a supplement
00:31:00that it's so psychoactive.
00:31:02And the one thing I guess I didn't explain very well is that there's a difference between
00:31:07like the pure kratom leaf powder and the stuff that has the seven Oh H in it, which is the
00:31:11synthesized version.
00:31:12But, and the reason I didn't explain that very well is because it's kind of confusing, but
00:31:17kratom leaf itself, I mean, you can still get addicted to it, but the seven Oh H stuff is
00:31:21what's fucking people up for reference just cause I know some somebody that's addicted
00:31:25to kratom is going to watch this and be like that son of a bitch blast themed, uh, my kratom.
00:31:31So that is, uh, but the seven Oh H is the really gnarly stuff.
00:31:34Yeah.
00:31:35And I'm going to get some of those pills and start taking them, but yeah, drinking kratom
00:31:38extract with the seven Oh H and is basically drinking.
00:31:41Liquid heroin.
00:31:42What does it feel like?
00:31:43It's very interesting.
00:31:45It's very sneaky.
00:31:46So I was drinking it for a month before I really realized how high it was on it.
00:31:49Have you done heroin?
00:31:50Oh yeah.
00:31:51I'm from Ohio, dude.
00:31:52So, um, how, how do they, how do they compare like seven Oh eight or I O N if you was, if
00:32:02you was personifying them as people, like what, how do they, how do they compare?
00:32:05So if it was a party kratom to heroin, well, I mean, I haven't done high levels of the seven
00:32:11Oh eight stuff yet, but comparatively the, the kratom drinks I've been drinking are called
00:32:17club 13, 150 MIT MIT, which is metragynine.
00:32:22That's the drug, I guess.
00:32:24And I was drinking two of those a day, which just turns out it's a lot for that, but there's
00:32:29not a lot of seven Oh H in it from what I understand how it works.
00:32:32So I don't have the full scope yet.
00:32:35For you.
00:32:36But I would say that heroin is, you know, you're, you're you, you, you get really high.
00:32:40You feel great.
00:32:41You get that warm feeling and you're something you've taken painkillers before, right?
00:32:44No, not really.
00:32:45No.
00:32:46Okay.
00:32:47Well, good on you, dude.
00:32:48Yeah.
00:32:49You're better than me.
00:32:50Yeah.
00:32:51No, no, no, no.
00:32:52Don't be in that way.
00:32:53Top of the morning.
00:32:54Are you conscious of the experience as you're doing it?
00:32:55Yeah.
00:32:56You know, you're high.
00:32:57So I guess the primary difference would be that when you, when you take kratom or when I have
00:32:59been, I've been, I just didn't even realize how high it was on this stuff.
00:33:04Like I was kind of just in a daze, but you get sort of that euphoric feeling.
00:33:08And I will say that in, in low doses of it, it's sort of more of a stimulant and then you
00:33:14take more and you're getting more of an opioid, you know, the painkiller sedative, isn't that
00:33:20interesting that the curve, how much you take almost invert, it's a nuanced drug.
00:33:25And I've never really experienced that before, which was one of the things that I was going
00:33:29to say that's, it's sort of sneaky, but the other thing is, and maybe this is just me.
00:33:34But I didn't really grasp that I was high as hell on this stuff.
00:33:40And I was going in sort of thought loops about things.
00:33:44Like we had to get like a video done, right?
00:33:46And I was just sort of pacing around my house, which I pace a lot already when I think around
00:33:50on the phone, but I was just sort of going in these thought loops where I was repeating
00:33:54myself, like kind of even talking to myself.
00:33:56I was losing it a little bit.
00:33:58And, and I didn't realize that this was, this drug was that strong because it's sold over
00:34:02the counter and that's already, I already knew from a number of other people who have gotten
00:34:08addicted to it.
00:34:09Cause I did some, you know, I put some feelers out there to talk to people.
00:34:11They already told me like, Hey, be careful.
00:34:13You're going to, it's going to sneak up on you more so than you think.
00:34:16Are you scared as somebody who's pretty experienced with drugs?
00:34:20Are you scared of the potential of putting yourself into this particular, you're going
00:34:24to try this 7OH thing and it's going to be amazing for the doc and it's going to teach
00:34:27you a lot.
00:34:28And you're going to be able to empathize with the people that are struggling with this, but
00:34:31you are putting your health and life on the line.
00:34:34I'm aware you've done it in other ways a lot, but like this, I know it feels like a pretty
00:34:38big dice roll to do that.
00:34:40Is that something that you consider?
00:34:41No, I'm not really worried about it.
00:34:43I mean, what's going to happen?
00:34:44I'm going to have to just, yeah, I'm going to go to Thailand and see where this stuff
00:34:50comes from though.
00:34:51Okay.
00:34:52Get the real, Jesus Christ, you're going to the, it's like going to Mordor and deciding
00:34:55to fucking stare into the eye of Mount Doom or whatever it is.
00:34:57I'll have the Kratum shot in my hand as I'm looking into the eye of Mordor.
00:35:01I've done it once.
00:35:02I've done it once as well.
00:35:03When we was in Vegas.
00:35:05Did you get energy from it?
00:35:06Well, my initial onboarding to Kratum when he was doing the David Goggins podcast, ironically.
00:35:10What were you doing with Kratum and David Goggins?
00:35:13Hey, why didn't we vlog that?
00:35:15I was like, who's a pull-ups pussy?
00:35:17So for context, I, at the time, like this is how things change with time.
00:35:21That was the week that we did mushrooms.
00:35:22Yeah, and Kratum was seen as, um, um, like a supplement, like it was seen as a nootropic
00:35:27at the time.
00:35:28That was how it was advertised to me.
00:35:29It wasn't looking at like a drug.
00:35:30I thought it was going to be a study.
00:35:31I thought I could take it and I could work more.
00:35:32And I remember like going, this is shit.
00:35:34But then I realized I had no more problems.
00:35:37I was like on it.
00:35:38I've got no problems at all.
00:35:39They go, why do I always think I have problems?
00:35:40I actually have no problems.
00:35:42Because you're high, George.
00:35:43And then I wanted to get, and then I wanted to get some next time.
00:35:47Welcome to my world, buddy.
00:35:48No problem.
00:35:49Why do you think I've got so few problems?
00:35:51It's weird how you go from no problems and then when it wears out, you've got so many
00:35:53problems.
00:35:54Yeah.
00:35:55Then you're snapping at your producer and you're like, Hey, fuck you.
00:35:57I quit.
00:35:58Was it $10 at Kratum, which is crazy embarrassing.
00:36:01Well, I mean, when did you do it?
00:36:03Uh, so I tried Feel Free, which is like this really, really popular company.
00:36:07That's for the record.
00:36:09That's one of the companies that's being sort of put under the microscope is the head.
00:36:13This is the not good, but then not using the 7oh, right?
00:36:16That's just whole leaf.
00:36:17I got to look at that.
00:36:18You know, I'm pretty sure.
00:36:19Yeah, pull it up.
00:36:20It's like the, this is whole leaf stuff.
00:36:22Anyway.
00:36:23Um, I, this is forever ago.
00:36:24This is when I was living in the Airbnb on South Congress when I first moved here and
00:36:28everyone's doing it.
00:36:29Everyone's it's, it's literally the in-school mom, but everyone's doing it.
00:36:33And so I'm like, Oh well, fucking everyone's doing it.
00:36:34And I was like, okay, I'm going to try this in the house.
00:36:37I'm gonna try half a bottle.
00:36:38I don't know.
00:36:39I can't remember whether it was five grams, two grams, whatever, tried it.
00:36:42And it just made me really anxious, anxious and a little sick for like an hour and a half.
00:36:49I watched some Peaky Blinders and I was like, that's not for me.
00:36:51And you just drank one bottle of it?
00:36:53Half a bottle.
00:36:54And I was like, that's not for me.
00:36:55So a lot of people get to feel sick to their stomach after they drink it and throw up and
00:36:58stuff like that.
00:36:59It didn't, it didn't make me feel good.
00:37:00Me and Z did it again when we went to go and see a band, but we didn't realize you are not
00:37:05supposed to drink alcohol on it.
00:37:07Yeah.
00:37:08It'll make you blackout.
00:37:09Also feel free has cava in it too.
00:37:10Correct.
00:37:11But it's only in a little, it might be concentrated.
00:37:14Anyway.
00:37:15So I, I, I tried it.
00:37:16Didn't agree with me.
00:37:17There's some things where I think, um, I get quite bad hangover.
00:37:20I've always got bad hangovers, but they've gotten worse as I've got older.
00:37:25What you've got, if you were someone who doesn't get hangover, Sonny Webster, Olympic weightlifter.
00:37:29I remember we once partied till four in the morning, 4.30 in the morning, and he'd set
00:37:33off to drive from Newcastle to Edinburgh, 8.00 AM to go and do a seminar that started at 10.30.
00:37:38He'd had four hours of sleep, drank more than me and was just up and doing things for the
00:37:44whole morning and then went and gave an entire seminar and was just fine.
00:37:47I needed to stay in bed the whole day.
00:37:49There's some people for whom the cost versus the benefit, the fucking ratio is just super
00:37:56skewed.
00:37:57They're like, again, they're like the Goggin, they're the Bonnie Blue of being able to drink
00:37:59and keep going.
00:38:00Dude, don't ever use Bonnie Blue as a reference point.
00:38:05You're very much the Virgin Mary of that.
00:38:07I am.
00:38:08I am very much.
00:38:09Yeah.
00:38:10I'm the Lily Phillips.
00:38:11I can't take as many.
00:38:12If that was like, if it was not so painful for me, the cost benefit analysis of drinking
00:38:18would be completely different.
00:38:19But we did, both me and you have done a Intel X DNA, which by the way, this is the fucking
00:38:24sickest shit.
00:38:26Intel X DNA, company that's based here in Austin, but you can do it anywhere in the US, you spit
00:38:30into a tube, not affiliated, I just think they're fucking sick.
00:38:33Spit into a tube, send it off, they'll give you your full allele genetic profile and they'll
00:38:38compare you to the population.
00:38:40Yeah, you clear caffeine more slowly.
00:38:44You have a protective gene that's good for late onset Parkinson's.
00:38:48You have one which can be a risk for autism or for this or for that or for the other.
00:38:54And loads of behavioral stuff like this has been associated with people who have addictive
00:38:59personalities.
00:39:00So I have the ComT gene, which is I clear dopamine more slowly.
00:39:06That means that I don't deal with chaos and stress particularly well, but once I start
00:39:10doing something, I get completely fucking obsessed and I lock in and I can't stop.
00:39:14It's like literally one of the descriptions was may struggle to stop tasks once started.
00:39:19It's like just the gene of an obsessive person.
00:39:21That sounds pretty cool.
00:39:22What's sick is once you do it, it's like three grand or something.
00:39:24Maybe three grand?
00:39:25Round about that.
00:39:26It's expensive, but it's worth it.
00:39:27It's not cheap, but it's like, they're never going to change.
00:39:30This is, my genes are my genes.
00:39:31I always wonder with this, did you learn things you didn't already know about yourself?
00:39:35Yes.
00:39:36Yes.
00:39:37And I'm like, no, like, yeah, I don't handle this well, but I am able to obsess over tough
00:39:42tasks.
00:39:43So I'll give you, so the way I view these intellect stuff, and it's like very early days and they're
00:39:47only going to get better and better, is have you heard about the Air Force study in the
00:39:521950s where they took like 600 Air Force pilots who were already male, certain height, certain
00:39:58build, and they tried to build like the average cockpit for all of them.
00:40:02So they tried to make the perfect cockpit by aggregating all of the proportions of the
00:40:07pilots.
00:40:08And when they went to test this perfect cockpit that they built, it fit zero because essentially
00:40:13averages are completely bullshit.
00:40:15No one is average.
00:40:17Only only, I think, so it was 12 things that they measured and only, only three of them
00:40:22hit 3%.
00:40:23So you can see it here.
00:40:24And even that 3%, it's with a wide range.
00:40:26So the 3% that hit the range, for example, it would be between five, nine and six foot,
00:40:30like that level of range.
00:40:32So then they realized, obviously it's so obvious now, but it's way better to just build a customizer
00:40:37able cockpit.
00:40:38And I think we'll look back at everything, like how we've grown up around the way people
00:40:43talk about studies and magnesium and vitamin D and vitamin C is just absolute horseshit.
00:40:49Because what Gary should take is very different to what I should take and likewise with Chris.
00:40:53So to give you some concrete examples, one, I found out I was in the bottom 10% of magnesium
00:41:00absorption for my genetics.
00:41:01So I was like, oh, I've got to take way more than if I was to ask anything.
00:41:06I have a specific gene that I found, which was if I take, if I have surgery and they
00:41:12give me morphine, I'm very unlikely to wake up with a regular dose, it will probably kill
00:41:16me.
00:41:17So I've got to let doctors know that beforehand.
00:41:18I'm like, oh, that's already paid for the test.
00:41:20And then everything should be on top of that.
00:41:23Yeah.
00:41:24Sleeping great.
00:41:25So yeah, the specifics that you do learn is actually pretty fascinating because then everything
00:41:31gets built on top of that.
00:41:34Let me give you this, the thing that it did for me, I didn't learn a tremendous amount
00:41:38that I didn't already know through experience, but it made all of my preferences feel way
00:41:41more legitimate.
00:41:42Right.
00:41:43Give you permission.
00:41:44Yeah.
00:41:45Because I'm like, oh, this is why I like deep house music because it's quite calming.
00:41:47So one of the coolest things, both of us did it, put it into your LLM, put all of your labs
00:41:51in as well.
00:41:52And it gives a different context.
00:41:53The coolest thing that I did kind of useless, but again, made me feel more legitimate with
00:41:57my life direction.
00:41:58It was like, um, I've just done it again now to my chat GPT project.
00:42:02Given that you know nothing about me, erase all of the information that you have exclusively
00:42:06based on my DNA genetic test.
00:42:08What sort of a person am I?
00:42:10And it comes back and it is fucking banger.
00:42:13Your baseline personality, high drive, high stress operator, your dopamine and stress genetics,
00:42:17comTAA, DBH, SLC.
00:42:20High baseline dopamine and adrenal tone, faster mental processing, strong pattern recognition,
00:42:24but low margin for stress before overload.
00:42:26You become productive, intense, goal oriented, slightly on edge most of the time, but also
00:42:30prone to overthinking, easily tipped into anxiety and to sustain pressure, sensitive to uncertainty
00:42:34and social evaluation.
00:42:36This is not calm, content temperament.
00:42:38It is a perform or perish nervous system.
00:42:41And it just runs that for everything.
00:42:43Motivation pattern.
00:42:44I need to do off and on.
00:42:45I can't do constant low level stress.
00:42:47And I was like, I already knew this, right?
00:42:49Because you learn things about yourself.
00:42:52Both of us have zeroed in on doing meditation.
00:42:55Both of us have zeroed in on relatively early nights, even though both of us have been in
00:42:58previous industries that were way different and I'm like, I kind of, club promotion should
00:43:02be fun.
00:43:03Like I should be in a chaotic environment.
00:43:05I should be in a highly unpredictable environment, but I didn't end up there.
00:43:08And I always felt a little bit off and as I've zeroed in more and more.
00:43:11So what it did was I think, especially for people that are maybe looking for more justification
00:43:18about why they're in the lonely chapter, they're struggling to get through and they're like,
00:43:21fuck, like why don't I fit in?
00:43:22Is there something wrong with me?
00:43:23Not at all.
00:43:24Like this is just your predisposition.
00:43:26Now the problem that you can have, and it's kind of cool that this isn't as widespread
00:43:32as it might be.
00:43:33Exactly the same as once you have a name for it, you're going to live by it.
00:43:38This could very much become destiny.
00:43:39Right.
00:43:40Both ways.
00:43:41Yeah, exactly.
00:43:42I'm way less intrigued in that kind of cold reading description.
00:43:45I'm way more interested in like, it's like, Oh, you know, it could have been like Virgo
00:43:50says this, right?
00:43:52But what I'm fascinated by is, so what's the strange thing.
00:43:55People have always said, I'm very, very similar to my granddad.
00:43:57We have like similar hair.
00:43:58I like sometimes find myself like closing my eyes during meals.
00:44:02And he did that.
00:44:03Like it was weird things.
00:44:04You did that your birthday on Monday.
00:44:05And I did.
00:44:07And I then, I then put in the thing I got, I asked the thing, I go, if I'm like trying
00:44:10to not die here, like what are my most likely causes of death?
00:44:13And they go, well, your two biggest health concerns are one, glaucoma.
00:44:16So you'll just kind of gradually go blind, which won't kill you.
00:44:19Or you'll die of a stroke.
00:44:20My granddad.
00:44:21Glaucoma?
00:44:22It's sick and you can have it interpreted by a clinician or whatever, but you can also
00:44:34just do it here.
00:44:35So I've just done the same thing.
00:44:36If I was likely to die, what am I most likely causes of death, cardiovascular disease, chronic
00:44:41stress mediated breakdown.
00:44:43Ooh, that's exciting.
00:44:45Neurovascular neurological issues because of high signaling, environmental toxin sensitivity.
00:44:48I just got popped by milk.
00:44:50They're going to clone you.
00:44:51Yeah, that's true.
00:44:52That is for God, they don't need that.
00:44:53See, I don't need a test like this to know how I'm going to die.
00:44:58You've got agency over that, my friend.
00:45:00You've got agency over that.
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00:46:09I need to bring up something that you said at dinner the other evening.
00:46:11Oh well.
00:46:12Did you say that you think that people remember every porn video that they've ever watched?
00:46:17No, it's a private dinner with people who'd paid to be there and you brought it up on
00:46:23the show.
00:46:24No, no, no.
00:46:26My thesis is like one big meta-criticism I have of the U.S. that nobody warned me about
00:46:32as a Brit is that the toilets in America, like I could be at like Dean's, like a very nice
00:46:41restaurant in Austin.
00:46:42I'll be having like an amazing chat about like Kierkegaard, and I think about like Kierkegaard
00:46:46versus Aristotle, and I'm like duh, duh, duh, sorry, let me just pop to the loo's.
00:46:49I'm going to kiss your face a bit.
00:46:50You go to the loo's and in America, the cubicles, you can see people's feet in them and the worst
00:46:57thing is there's like this slit in every single, and this is nationwide.
00:47:01You're in the women's.
00:47:02You can be in like a billionaire's like hotel and there's a slit there, which means they've
00:47:07unisex toilets.
00:47:08It's horrific.
00:47:09Like I don't even go in the unisex toilets for this reason.
00:47:12You can see people kind of just this carousel of them sat down squatting.
00:47:16And yeah, this whole idea that when you watch like graphic content, it stores in your brain
00:47:20forever.
00:47:21So I've just got thousands of men around Austin just like there, like these carousels.
00:47:24And then you went to the bathroom.
00:47:26And this is supposed to be the number one country in the world.
00:47:29And like this doesn't exist in Europe, this doesn't exist in the Middle East.
00:47:32You know what you could do?
00:47:33Do you remember those things like back in the day, the first cycling cylinders and you look
00:47:40through the slit and if you spin it, it makes a horse start to move.
00:47:43If you ran really quickly down a very long series of toilets, you're just looking at these
00:47:49different men like stages of pooping.
00:47:52It's horrific.
00:47:53Do you know how I know that I'm watching too many graphic videos is because when you said
00:47:57there's a horse that starts to move, I heard there's a whore that starts to move.
00:48:01That's not good, man.
00:48:05Every time like I speak to a Brit or European now about coming to America and they think
00:48:08like there's going to be this chat about the economy, I go, this is the thing that I've
00:48:10got to warn you about.
00:48:11It's so surreal.
00:48:13And I think about this a lot.
00:48:14Like you were talking about like life hacks, like how much of life comes down to compartmentalization,
00:48:20which is why somebody made a great point the other day.
00:48:22Why meditation apps often don't take off on phones because you have your meditation up
00:48:25there, but then you have your strip club, you have all this stuff there.
00:48:33And with these bathrooms, you don't have any compartmentalization.
00:48:37I always say, imagine a house.
00:48:39So my friend lives in an 80 story apartment building and we kind of sat there in his house.
00:48:43I go, if everything was glass right now, this would be, this would be horrific.
00:48:49But because you have compartmentalization, it has such an impact.
00:48:53Well, you know, your point is that you would be able to see one dude's taking a dump over
00:48:57there and another dude's banging his girlfriend, right?
00:48:59Yes.
00:49:00Yeah.
00:49:01Yeah.
00:49:02Literally just up there.
00:49:03But we've made these arbitrary walls around us.
00:49:04This is the edge of my safe place in the beginning of yours.
00:49:07I just like where we started.
00:49:08You were like, I have this thesis and then if you, what did we even talk about?
00:49:12If you were talking about, somebody said something about porn or, yeah, you brought up the graphics
00:49:16stuff in your brain.
00:49:17Genetics, porn.
00:49:18Right.
00:49:19Okay.
00:49:20Yeah.
00:49:21Question.
00:49:22How do you feel about feet?
00:49:23Not a fan.
00:49:24No?
00:49:25Gross me out.
00:49:26Not a fan.
00:49:27How do you feel about feet?
00:49:28Pretty much the same as Sean.
00:49:29How do you feel about feet?
00:49:30Feet neutral?
00:49:31Yeah.
00:49:32Okay.
00:49:33What are you talking about here?
00:49:34Okay.
00:49:35So there is a woman who does Uber Eats and has started including photos of her feet in
00:49:40the picture of the food drop-off and her tips have gone up by a ton.
00:49:47So this is-
00:49:48I'm not mad about it.
00:49:49I mean, as feet go-
00:49:50He said nice pedicure.
00:49:51They're perfectly fine feet.
00:49:52But did not realize that this would blow up fans.
00:49:54And this is the OnlyFans pipeline.
00:49:57Like as soon as you post something and start to get free money for it, you're like, well,
00:50:02if I put my cash app in here and if you scroll down a little bit more, she says, get a rotisserie
00:50:07chicken or a pedicure.
00:50:08First rotisserie chicken allowance.
00:50:09There we go.
00:50:10This is the fucking Uber Eats to OnlyFans pipeline that no one is talking about.
00:50:15Yeah.
00:50:16I mean, there's like an old joke about what's the, how long does it take for a, not a bottle
00:50:22source girl, a strip club waitress to become a stripper?
00:50:25Two weeks?
00:50:26What's that?
00:50:27You've never heard this?
00:50:28Like basically every, not every, but a lot of strip club bartenders or hosts, hostesses,
00:50:35they just ended up becoming strippers.
00:50:38And maybe that's just a niche thing that I know because of my vices.
00:50:42Punch hunt for strip clubs.
00:50:43Yeah.
00:50:44I guess.
00:50:45Dude, I used to have, you know this, I think I've told you this, I used to have this pickup
00:50:48line when I would go to strip clubs where I'd be like, Hey, you look just like my future
00:50:55ex-wife.
00:50:56And they'd be like, Oh, ha ha ha, cause they've heard that a thousand times.
00:50:59I'd be like, no, I'm just kidding.
00:51:00I'm like a horrible person.
00:51:01I've got a felony.
00:51:02I'm not allowed to see my son.
00:51:03So you don't want nothing to do with me.
00:51:04And just lean in every time.
00:51:07Wow.
00:51:08Isn't that the fucking craziest pickup line?
00:51:10Not really.
00:51:11I mean, American women have been conditioned since the fifties to be into like the bad boy.
00:51:16I mean, first of all, it was a two parter.
00:51:19So that already was sophistication.
00:51:21I was the old one too.
00:51:23Unbelievable.
00:51:24That's Gary's life hack by the way.
00:51:27Oh yeah.
00:51:28Yeah.
00:51:29He asked me for a life hack.
00:51:30That's what I came up with.
00:51:33What have you got some fucking notes at?
00:51:36I don't want to hear about that.
00:51:37Then tell me about your Claude project instructions.
00:51:41I want to know how to pick up a hooker.
00:51:43I know you want to do one now.
00:51:48Have you seen the subreddit male living spaces?
00:51:52Yes.
00:51:53It's funny.
00:51:54It's fucking brilliant.
00:51:55So this is a subreddit where guys post their bedrooms and their living spaces that they've
00:52:00sort of designed.
00:52:01It's sort of peak bachelor, like solo degen life.
00:52:09And the photos are just fucking absolutely spectacular.
00:52:12This one, this first one, this guy's got a lat pull down machine and a TV.
00:52:18The face.
00:52:19Patrick Bateman.
00:52:20Honestly, this looks, have you ever seen Mr. Beast's office, it looks exactly like this.
00:52:24He has a bedroom in the office with a bench press right next to it.
00:52:26Just like that.
00:52:27The one with the fucking stormtrooper stormtrooper.
00:52:31I love it.
00:52:32Yep.
00:52:33There's a U-shaped couch around just a huge TV.
00:52:37It's just, it's like literally you couldn't get in there without hitting the TV.
00:52:41It's not even hung on the wall.
00:52:42But look, the reason is because he's wanting to get a big couch, but he needs to get in
00:52:46the door.
00:52:47So the door won't open.
00:52:48He can't fit the couch and the TV in without not being able to open the door.
00:52:52That's the only way he could have.
00:52:53That's actually some fucking Marie Kondo shit.
00:52:59Transparent fucking blow up doll.
00:53:01This one's fucking great.
00:53:02It's an industrial container with a single deck chair in the middle.
00:53:05What's the camping chair pointing at?
00:53:07Wow.
00:53:08That's the living room.
00:53:09Yeah.
00:53:10Yeah, that is.
00:53:11That's the cuck chair for when I'm crushing shit.
00:53:13Go to the next one.
00:53:15This is you, Gary.
00:53:17It's a bedside table made out of just raw breeze blocks.
00:53:20Yeah.
00:53:21You know, when I was growing up, my dad actually had our old box TV on a set of cinder blocks
00:53:26for a period of time.
00:53:28The divorce hit him hard.
00:53:29It works as drawers too.
00:53:31Oh, it does work as drawers?
00:53:34Wow.
00:53:35It's a bottle of kratom in every picture.
00:53:39Is it a flat in London or a prison in Norway?
00:53:42Have you seen that?
00:53:43Was it not halls of residence?
00:53:44Oh my God.
00:53:45Was it not British halls of residence?
00:53:46I think it was a few different ones.
00:53:47I think it was Norway or halls of residence in the UK, I think was it.
00:53:51I know.
00:53:52Yeah.
00:53:53It's because the fucking quality of the prisons in some Scandi countries are unbelievable.
00:53:56Dude.
00:53:57Yeah.
00:53:58I've seen those.
00:53:59That pisses me the fuck off.
00:54:00What?
00:54:01The Norwegians are living in Norwegian criminals?
00:54:02The people in prison in Norway are doing much better than me.
00:54:06It really irritates me.
00:54:07I'm dead serious because like, you know, I've been known to commit a crime or two and if
00:54:11I get arrested and go to prison, I'm like, it just is.
00:54:17You got arrested here?
00:54:18Yeah, dude.
00:54:19I mean, part of me is like, man, maybe I should just go to Norway and like, get in a shootout
00:54:23or something.
00:54:24I don't know.
00:54:25Like that.
00:54:26You guys remember that movie?
00:54:27Heat?
00:54:28I haven't seen it.
00:54:29The Robert De Niro film?
00:54:32De Niro, Pacino, Val Kilmer.
00:54:36Yeah.
00:54:37I think Danny Trejo is even in it, but like the there's just that old, like, you know,
00:54:43every guy's like dream way they're going to go out as this basically robbing a bank and
00:54:47getting in a shootout.
00:54:48Or maybe that's just the people I hang out with.
00:54:50But are you familiar with this?
00:54:52No, no, no, no.
00:54:53Oh, okay.
00:54:54Are you the one I'm talking about?
00:54:55You ever seen those memes or those?
00:54:56Yeah.
00:54:57Yeah.
00:54:58That's the dream.
00:54:59Yeah.
00:55:00It's just like going out in a blaze of glory basically.
00:55:01And then, or like dying out in like the, you know, like that, that picture of a Gosseline
00:55:05bleeding out in the snow.
00:55:06Right.
00:55:07Like the dream, dream snow bleed out spot.
00:55:09Anyways, I just, uh, I'm like, man, I'd rather just do that.
00:55:13I'm just bored of these.
00:55:14It's like, it's like I go to Norway and I get into a, uh, uh, uh, some sort of criminal enterprise.
00:55:19What's the worst thing that happens to me.
00:55:20I get to live better than I'm living here.
00:55:24That's just where my mind goes, uh, you know, but.
00:55:27Work smarter, not harder.
00:55:28The inverse El Salvador.
00:55:29Yeah.
00:55:30Yeah.
00:55:31Yeah.
00:55:32Dude.
00:55:33Holy shit.
00:55:34The people that were being committed in El Salvador are probably dramatically worse than
00:55:38in Norway.
00:55:39You know, they were like chopping people up into pieces and stuff, but.
00:55:45Did you follow this, uh, citrine analyst number three story?
00:55:48Um, no.
00:55:49You didn't see this.
00:55:50Have you guys heard about this analyst number three?
00:55:52No.
00:55:53What's this?
00:55:54This is amazing.
00:55:55This is just like a guy doing a legendary thing.
00:55:58So the Strait of Hormuz is blocked and there's the war part of it, but then there's the financial
00:56:03part of it.
00:56:04The oil prices going up, down, the markets are swinging.
00:56:06And so there's this research firm called Citrine.
00:56:09They do like, they basically do research reports, sell them to hedge funds.
00:56:13And so the hedge fund guys want information.
00:56:15If they get better information than they're getting from the news or from the, you know,
00:56:18the newspaper the next day, that's worth, you know, millions and millions of dollars to them.
00:56:23So Citrine, they're trying to figure out what the hell's going on with this blockade.
00:56:26And so this guy has this idea, high agency story here for you.
00:56:30One of the guys in the office is like, what if I just go and they're like, what do you
00:56:33know?
00:56:34He's like, what if I just go to the, to the Strait and I'll just count the boats?
00:56:37Like, what do you mean?
00:56:38He's like, I'll just see like how many are going through.
00:56:40And we'll know if it's like, because basically there are people trying to figure out, is it
00:56:43blocked?
00:56:44Is it not blocked?
00:56:45And the gas, the crude oil prices were going parabolic and then they were crashing day over
00:56:48day.
00:56:49And so they had to figure out what was going on.
00:56:50So this guy basically, one of their analysts, they call him analyst number three, and he
00:56:54wrote this field blog.
00:56:55So just, I see this, it goes, and I read this and this sucked me into the story.
00:56:59He goes, the front desk informed me, there's two gentlemen from the CID downstairs to ask
00:57:03me questions.
00:57:04CID in the Gulf is like the CIA.
00:57:06I checked my phone in a safe, grabbed the burner because they had seen tweets about analyst
00:57:10number three.
00:57:11Thanks a lot, James.
00:57:12And then it says, I went downstairs in my pajamas and slippers.
00:57:14There's a piece of OPSEC you learn when you're an Arab speaker, if things is sticky, you only
00:57:19speak English because Arabic opens the door you don't want opened.
00:57:22The possibility that you're a spy, sympathizer, blah, blah, blah, basically play dumb.
00:57:25So I'll go downstairs and I say, hello guys, how are you?
00:57:27I speak English.
00:57:28The hotel receptionist, the same man I've been chatting with in Arabic all day turned to the
00:57:31agents and goes, this guy speaks perfect Arabic.
00:57:34So this guy blogged his entire thing.
00:57:37So he basically left the US, went to the Middle East.
00:57:41They show his briefcase of like what he took.
00:57:45It's pretty hilarious.
00:57:46So this is what he took for his field trip.
00:57:47His anxiety bite.
00:57:48He's got two sins.
00:57:50He brought cigars.
00:57:51He brought a pack of clothes and then he had a pair of meta recording glasses.
00:57:57And so he goes and this guy makes it all the way.
00:57:59So he, he gets to like Oman.
00:58:02He bribes a guy, they bring him in and they're like, he's crossing the thing.
00:58:05They're like, you're not trying to do any journalism or anything.
00:58:07Are you?
00:58:08He's like, journalism?
00:58:09No, I'm, I'm an adventure explorer.
00:58:10Are you crazy?
00:58:11And they're like, they check his bag.
00:58:12They don't notice that the Ray-Bans are the glasses one or the camera ones he gets through.
00:58:17He bribes this guy to take them on a mini, like a paddle boat to get into the strait.
00:58:22And he has footage of himself on the strait, smoking a cigar, watching like the oil, one
00:58:26of the oil tankers that got attacked and counting the other boats.
00:58:29And he realized that the, all the mainstream media was reporting that the strait was closed.
00:58:34He's like, dude, I'm here.
00:58:35I see them.
00:58:36I see them going through, but it's not fully closed.
00:58:39And they were figuring out what was going on.
00:58:40It turns out like actually the Iranians were checking, like, are you, if you're not US affiliated
00:58:45and you brought, you pay us a toll, we'll let you through.
00:58:48And that's why like, there hadn't been this huge oil shock because actually the tankers
00:58:51were getting through, but nobody knew.
00:58:53Everybody was using these, like the tracking data from the boats, but he's like, some of
00:58:57the boats aren't going to be tracked.
00:58:58And they're just like, Hey, Hey, watch this.
00:59:01There's turn it off.
00:59:02Like, we don't want to be tracked.
00:59:03They don't want us saying that we're going through.
00:59:04So no problem.
00:59:05Turn that shit off.
00:59:06And they would go through.
00:59:07And so this is this epic story of this guy who made it back.
00:59:09He got thrown in.
00:59:10He got like thrown in jail for a couple of days and he like got out and uh, you know,
00:59:14because of the CIA.
00:59:15No, he's just part of a research firm in New York.
00:59:17He got caught because they held him and they were like, we're going to check you out.
00:59:22And then they couldn't find anything.
00:59:23The CID is the Middle Eastern equivalent of the CIA.
00:59:26Oh, okay.
00:59:27Gotcha.
00:59:28Actually that bag is the male equivalent of an anxiety bag.
00:59:31Yeah.
00:59:32That's what it is.
00:59:33A full pack of Cubans, two Zins and a pair of pants.
00:59:37Don't trust.
00:59:38Verify.
00:59:39Well, that is basically someone using dark tourism to benefit from a capitalist way similar
00:59:46to Lord Miles.
00:59:47Do you see that Lord Miles got called out by Coffeezilla?
00:59:50No, no, no.
00:59:51Wow.
00:59:52So Lord Miles has done some kind of rug poll that's to do with him and Polymarket that he
00:59:56was going to do a 40 day fast and that he bet just before he got picked up by the police,
01:00:06the local police of wherever he was, someone had put a huge position that he was going to
01:00:10lose.
01:00:11And it turns out if you trace that wallet back, it's somebody that knows him.
01:00:14And then he thinks that he put the bet on and then got the police to go and it was like a
01:00:17fucking mess.
01:00:18But anyway, that guy might as well be Lord Miles.
01:00:20Well, speaking of the Gulf CIA, I got a story about a time I accidentally did a CIA field
01:00:28strategy so to speak, if you guys want to hear it.
01:00:31When I was in college in Santa Barbara, my buddy and I were absolutely hammered, just
01:00:37wasted out of our minds.
01:00:38And we had just run from a cab and some other shenanigans had occurred.
01:00:42And we got back to my apartment, which was on the second floor of the spot, but it was
01:00:49on a hill.
01:00:50So it out the window was like a huge, it was, it was like probably 60 yards to a pavement
01:00:59to a parking lot behind a chase bank.
01:01:01And we were hammered.
01:01:02And we're at this place, the electricity had gone out.
01:01:04So all the food in the fridge was bad and it smelled like shit.
01:01:07So we just started throwing it all out the window because we thought it was funny.
01:01:09And then we started throwing bottles out the window and then like some furniture and stuff.
01:01:14And somebody, somebody called the police and we're sitting there, we're all fucked up and
01:01:19we just hear do, do, do, do Santa Barbara police open up and we're like, oh fuck dude, we, the
01:01:25cops.
01:01:26And he looks at me and he's like, dude, get naked.
01:01:28And I was like, what?
01:01:29He was like, trust me.
01:01:30And I was like, all right.
01:01:31So we get butt naked and I'm like, oh, we're definitely going to fucking jail.
01:01:35So I, I immediately went to the bathroom because taking a shit in jail sucks.
01:01:38So I was like, I'm going to go force out a turd.
01:01:40Wow.
01:01:41So I went to the bathroom and all I hear is this like thump noise.
01:01:45And then I hear the door open.
01:01:47I hear a creak and, and it's just a cop.
01:01:50And he goes, what the fuck?
01:01:53What are you doing?
01:01:54And I hear, I hear like feets stumble around and then I hear my buddy go, sorry, officer.
01:01:59I must've forgotten my pants.
01:02:02And the cops are like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:02:05And they're like, put some fucking clothes on.
01:02:07So the cops come grab me and uh, naked and they realize, well, they thought they realized
01:02:12that we were two gay dudes in an argument.
01:02:15So we faked a homosexual domestic violence situation.
01:02:18And they were like, they were like, oh shit, these are two gay dudes.
01:02:23And uh, yeah.
01:02:25So they just ended up making us go clean it up.
01:02:27Cause they felt, they felt bad because they thought that, well, and my buddy was a lot
01:02:32bigger than me too.
01:02:33So now I'm realizing, telling this story that they probably thought I was just getting beat
01:02:36up by this guy.
01:02:37But anyways, um, so years later, uh, I've told this story a couple of times before to people
01:02:42and you know, it's funny.
01:02:43Haha.
01:02:44But years later, I find out from this guy, Jack Karaku, CIA dude, that this is like an
01:02:50old CIA strategy that they employ all the time.
01:02:54I didn't even know, play the, play the video here.
01:02:57Hey quarter says, we want you to pretend that you're gay.
01:02:59I said, oh, come on.
01:03:01We really need the information.
01:03:02You got to pretend that you're gay.
01:03:03I said, okay, I'll do it.
01:03:04I'll do it for uncle.
01:03:05So I called and I said, Hey, I have two tickets to this show and I was hoping maybe you'd be
01:03:11free.
01:03:12Maybe we'll grab some sushi afterwards.
01:03:13You said?
01:03:14Yeah, I'd love to.
01:03:15So we go to the show.
01:03:16He thoroughly enjoyed it.
01:03:17And we go for sushi afterwards.
01:03:18And we go out again.
01:03:19And he says, why don't you go over to my place some night and I'll make dinner.
01:03:21I said, great.
01:03:22So I go over to this place.
01:03:23He made a lovely dinner.
01:03:24And then I thought, well, I have to invite him to my place.
01:03:25So I told my wife, you're going to have to like get out.
01:03:28So Sheila, I made dinner.
01:03:29I removed all the pictures of us together and we had just gotten married.
01:03:32So we had like our wedding picture up and everything.
01:03:34And at the dinner, he leaned in to kiss me and I instinctively backed off and he said,
01:03:38Oh my God, I'm sorry.
01:03:39I thought you're gay.
01:03:40And I said, Oh no, I am gay.
01:03:42I'm not into hairy guys.
01:03:44And he's like, Oh, okay.
01:03:45I said, I'm sorry.
01:03:46I think you're great.
01:03:47But I'm not feeling it because no.
01:03:51And I think there's another, there's, I don't remember if it was him, but there was another
01:03:54person who used an example of faking.
01:03:57They were gay to like get out of trouble, but yeah, just that's another life hack for you.
01:04:02Just get naked.
01:04:03Yeah.
01:04:04Do you not just appear gay rather than be naked?
01:04:07Cause who fights naked?
01:04:11Two gay dudes banging.
01:04:13Right.
01:04:14Okay.
01:04:15Okay.
01:04:16Okay.
01:04:17The idea that you were so small that they thought this guy's a world renowned power bottom.
01:04:19You can't believe he's getting fucking pounded from every angle.
01:04:23God.
01:04:24Yeah.
01:04:25It's a, yeah.
01:04:26It's not a good look looking back on it.
01:04:27Why have you got trash in your truck?
01:04:29Well, I got another life hack for you, Chris.
01:04:33Remember to take out your trash cans.
01:04:35I got a couple of bags of garbage in the back of my truck that he commented on when I pulled
01:04:40up.
01:04:41And he's like, why do you have like four bags of garbage?
01:04:43And I was like, well, I forgot to take out the trash two weeks in a row.
01:04:47So there's just a bunch of, you just carry it around as additional.
01:04:51Yeah.
01:04:52It's just in the back of the truck.
01:04:53So there's a dumpster behind a movie theater that I'm going to go throw it out in after
01:04:56this actually.
01:04:57Thanks for reminding me.
01:04:58Welcome.
01:04:59You can do a full season.
01:05:00Three months like that.
01:05:02Like 20 bags of trash in the truck.
01:05:04All right.
01:05:05So you have three life hacks.
01:05:06That's pretty good.
01:05:07Yeah.
01:05:08Three life hacks.
01:05:09You do it for all of us.
01:05:10One Israeli conspiracy and I'm addicted to Kritum.
01:05:13That's what I'm bringing to the table today.
01:05:14Did you have a life hack?
01:05:15That was good.
01:05:16I'll go on.
01:05:17Well, you know, the, the first ever series that I did on the show was life hacks.
01:05:20So there's like a thousand that I've got to pick from, but the one that I've been using
01:05:24the most, especially because I just got back from tour was in Australia, New Zealand and
01:05:27Bali is an app called Flighty.
01:05:30So Flighty connects with your email and when you book flights, it automatically pulls it
01:05:35over and it tells you everything that's going on with your flight, what gate you're going
01:05:40out of, where your plane is inbound, where it's going to go when you're on the journey
01:05:44as well.
01:05:45It also tracks everything.
01:05:46It pre downloads the map so that when you're flying in the air, even without wifi, it knows
01:05:50sort of how long the journey is going to be.
01:05:51Can give you information about what the wait time is going to be like at your future destination,
01:05:56connection times, gate to gate, what a carousel your baggage is going to be at.
01:06:00It lives in just a little island at the top, you know, the floating island thing at the
01:06:03top of your iPhone.
01:06:04And it just fucking rules, dude.
01:06:05Like the number of times that there's been some last minute bullshit change and because
01:06:10I'm not watching the board or I've got my AirPods in, you're just in an airport doing your thing.
01:06:14It's just on your phone.
01:06:15It's quicker than the app.
01:06:16There was one flight that got diverted from Austin because of gale force winds got devoted
01:06:20to Houston.
01:06:21And I was recording with Andrew Schultz that day.
01:06:23It's like, fuck, like I need to get back.
01:06:26This better not be late, blah, blah, blah.
01:06:27And I thought it was great.
01:06:28And then the plane just did like that took up again as it was coming into land.
01:06:33And I was like, oh, it must be coming back around for another one before the pilot even
01:06:36came over the Tanoi.
01:06:39It updated and said like, you're not basically you're landing in Houston.
01:06:42And I was like, oh, so in some ways it can be disappointing before everybody else knows.
01:06:47But uh, it's fucking great flighty and it's like 30 bucks a year and you can have friends
01:06:50on it as well.
01:06:51You can add friends flights to it.
01:06:52So if you've got a, your missus is flying in, you don't need to do it.
01:06:56It's fucking epic.
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01:08:08My, my, uh, my life hack at the minute is, um, it's more kind of a, a philosophical stance
01:08:14to some extent.
01:08:15I think of a lot of gibberish that comes up where it's probably in the last 20 years, there's
01:08:19this particular discourse that happens online, but also in books where you'll see, they'll
01:08:24make a point and then they'll go, so this study says, or studies say, and I think what
01:08:31happens for me for a while now, previously, I would default to whatever this person's about
01:08:37to say now is completely true, but often my new default is whatever this person is about
01:08:43to say now is complete horseshit.
01:08:45Um, cause first off my friend Billy made this great point of, do you know anybody who's been
01:08:51in a study?
01:08:52Um, then have you actually ever inspected a lot of these studies?
01:08:56So I think previously what people used to do nine out of nine out of 10 times, they would
01:08:59believe the study's true.
01:09:00And one out of 10 is gibberish.
01:09:01I actually think the policy is much better the other way that nine out of 10 studies that
01:09:04you hear about, particularly psychological studies, guess what?
01:09:07Physics doesn't need a study.
01:09:08Physics goes, here's how it works.
01:09:10And you want to always opt like it's kind of the Deutsch argument.
01:09:13You always want to go for good explanations rather than studies of psych grads with people
01:09:18that had a specific hypothesis they wanted to confirm beforehand.
01:09:21And you'll, you'll often see these things that go viral on Twitter that get 4 million views.
01:09:24It's like 15 participants of like college males that are then making like, then the daily mail
01:09:30covers it.
01:09:31The Telegraph covers it.
01:09:32Huge sweeping generalizations.
01:09:33It's one, it's one giant scam.
01:09:34The other one is, um, my favorite one is, um, science says, or science backed, or trust the
01:09:42science.
01:09:43And my new default is if somebody says this, they're about to say something that's completely
01:09:47unscientific because by definition, oh, sorry about that.
01:09:50By definition, if something is science backed, um, I didn't invest, so we go, um, if something
01:09:55is science, if something is research backed ingredients, research by a little bit, I can
01:10:02say firsthand.
01:10:03This shit definitely works.
01:10:04Well, I guess, I guess the question is, but then actually investigate what the research
01:10:08is essentially saying, which most of us, we just default to.
01:10:11This is true.
01:10:12We read, uh, Adam Mastroianni experimental history, everyone needs to subscribe on sub-stack
01:10:16fucking rules.
01:10:17And, um, he posted today, there was a wonderful one, two part of living fossils that Rob Kurzband
01:10:22does.
01:10:23And, uh, experimental history had these two things about the replication crisis and, uh,
01:10:27Adam's entire point is that psychological theories don't ever be killed.
01:10:32They just become embarrassing.
01:10:33So, um, power posing being completely disproven, but has now just been sort of retconned into
01:10:41it's like expansive posture science and stuff.
01:10:43They've just renamed it, uh, growth mindset, total bullshit.
01:10:47Totally does not replicate, uh, ego depletion, like willpower stuff, total, total bullshit
01:10:51does not replicate.
01:10:53But what about retard maxing?
01:10:54Retard maxing actually is at the forefront of cutting psychological science.
01:10:57If it doesn't replicate, do a 360 moonwalk out of there.
01:11:03The problem with the replication stuff is that it goes back to the conversation we had around
01:11:07genetics that actually, um, some of this stuff may work for certain people, depending on their
01:11:11specific genetics.
01:11:12What you may have is 10%, it really, really works for, and 90% doesn't do anything, which
01:11:17is a way more fascinating conversation.
01:11:18Um, but as soon as you just default to that, it feels like I have a point that disagrees
01:11:23with Gary now, and I'm just going to say, well, studies say, and I've won, and there's never
01:11:27any like critical conversation around, well, can you explain the specific variables here
01:11:31that causes this outcome?
01:11:33It's just studies.
01:11:34Say, I'll let me tell you about this study, increased skepticism.
01:11:37Is that what you're saying?
01:11:38As a, yes, as a whole, including around those all the way up.
01:11:41I mean, I think the other side of that, the life hack is use this all the time.
01:11:44Cause there's for every one George who's skeptical, what out of a hundred people, how many have
01:11:49your stance?
01:11:50Oh, it's the other way.
01:11:51Yeah.
01:11:52Yeah.
01:11:53It's going to be 99.
01:11:54So actually like the hack is, well, there's actually a study about this study at all.
01:11:58And everybody will take you very seriously.
01:11:59It's similar to how people reference mainstream media.
01:12:02Even though, like you said, with the straight, right?
01:12:05How there were still ships going through there and the media was saying that they weren't
01:12:08yeah.
01:12:09It's the same thing, right?
01:12:10Where they're, where somebody, instead of referencing a study, they're like, well, Fox news said,
01:12:13or CNN or whatever bullshit people appeal to social authority.
01:12:16Yes.
01:12:17Yeah.
01:12:18Yeah.
01:12:19Dude, speaking of which, that actually ties into the other thing I sent you.
01:12:21Uh, did you guys hear about the stop Nick Shirley act in California?
01:12:25Dude, this is crazy.
01:12:27So there was, um, cause he's trying to do the same thing you did in Minnesota in California,
01:12:31right?
01:12:32Yeah.
01:12:33He needs to do that in Puerto Rico, dude.
01:12:34Seriously.
01:12:35I mean, if you get a list of the places that California has this act now, this is it.
01:12:40This is the bill right here.
01:12:41They basically put together this legislation that says it's called the stop Nick Shirley
01:12:47act.
01:12:48It's like a draft.
01:12:49Existing law prohibits a person, business or association from knowingly publicly posting
01:12:52a publicly disclosing or distributing on internet websites or on social media, the personal information
01:12:56or image of any designated healthcare services, patient provider or assistant or other individuals
01:13:01residing at the same home address with the intent to incite a third person to cause imminent
01:13:07great bodily harm to the person identified in the posting or display or to a co-resident
01:13:12of that person as specified or to threaten the person identified in the posting or display
01:13:16or a co-resident of that person as specified.
01:13:18So it's basically an extreme fascist bill that they're trying to pass to prevent people from
01:13:25exposing fraud.
01:13:27So you think that they're getting out ahead of having exposed in California, what was exposed
01:13:33in Minnesota and by making it essentially this kind of investigational.
01:13:37Yeah.
01:13:38And that's of interest to me, given all the financial stuff I've exposed down in Puerto
01:13:45Rico, but the, if you strap like that and map it onto freedom of speech as a whole, this
01:13:53is a big problem.
01:13:54I mean, I don't know what- This shit is fucking gnarly dude.
01:13:57Having to read this thing, like the, here we go.
01:14:00This guy.
01:14:01Yeah.
01:14:02He explains it a little bit better here.
01:14:03It warns that it would restrict the release of investigative videos and impose penalties
01:14:07on watchdogs who expose fraud.
01:14:09It's a, I mean, I don't really believe in the two party system.
01:14:12I think they're all just too, everybody's full of shit, but it is a Democrat that put this
01:14:17out and of course there's the backlash from this guy is probably a Republican.
01:14:21So it sounds like what they're saying is when he exposed the Somali learning centers, that
01:14:25then creates sort of hostile potential violence against the Somali people.
01:14:30So in order to protect threats of violence against immigrants here's this act.
01:14:35Right.
01:14:36Right.
01:14:37Which is totally like a load of bullshit because the real way you would protect from somebody
01:14:41being harassed like that is to stop the fraud in the first place from happening.
01:14:46Yeah.
01:14:47Or just separately prevent like violence in the way that we prevent assault.
01:14:52I'm just saying that, yeah, there's a number of other ways to handle it, but yeah, it's
01:14:56crazy.
01:14:57Right.
01:14:58Yeah.
01:14:59I was looking at this the other day.
01:15:00I'm kind of interested in how it plays out.
01:15:03You know, you do a lot of investigative journalism, right?
01:15:06You were down in Palisades almost immediately after the fire exposing a ton of stuff around
01:15:11FEMA.
01:15:13You've done the Puerto Rico thing.
01:15:14What are the big ones have you done recently?
01:15:18Well, after going to Puerto Rico, I shelved the deep dive investigations because it's so
01:15:26much work to look through all the, just everything, dude.
01:15:31It was fucked up, man.
01:15:32People in Puerto Rico don't have, we met a guy who doesn't have a fucking roof still.
01:15:37He hasn't had electricity for eight years.
01:15:40It's crazy, dude.
01:15:42You got to watch it.
01:15:43I don't know if I ever sent it to you.
01:15:44You didn't send me this one.
01:15:46Yeah.
01:15:47It's, um, it's insane.
01:15:48I, I, in theory, I mean, I can give you the, the layout real fast, basically in 2016 Congress
01:15:55with Obama's approval signed off on a financial board that more or less acts like the shadow
01:16:00government of Puerto Rico now.
01:16:01And they've funneled around $2 billion of taxpayer money, Puerto Rican taxpayer money off the
01:16:08island to wall street consultants, executives, uh, attorneys to consult on the bankruptcy
01:16:16down there because the whole island is bankrupt.
01:16:19And part of that process is to resolve the prep of bankruptcy, which is the Puerto Rican
01:16:23electric power authority.
01:16:25It's the government power company.
01:16:27And then it was privatized with this company, Luma and yada, yada, yada.
01:16:30The power is horribly unreliable down there.
01:16:34It's one of the most expensive in the entire country.
01:16:37And they're basically having money funneled off the island.
01:16:41Like, and they're all more or less connected to wall street, but it's crazy.
01:16:45And the reason I bring that up in relation to this is because, um, you know, the Somalian
01:16:50daycare thing, sure there's, there's some, some stuff going on there, but Puerto Rico
01:16:54has been basically getting shit on forever.
01:16:57And I think this is possibly an even worse situation that's going on down there.
01:17:01And they just revoked some transparency act down there too recently in the past, like four
01:17:05or five months.
01:17:06And try and get out ahead of people that are doing investigative journalism.
01:17:09I mean, that's what it seems like to me.
01:17:10They don't want, they want it to be more difficult for people to, to FOIA request stuff, essentially.
01:17:16Like one of the things they revoked on the transparency act down there in Puerto Rico
01:17:18was when you, when you request information, it doesn't show who you are specifically.
01:17:25Right.
01:17:26To, to the, to the people that you're requesting it from, but they they're changing that so
01:17:30that they can see.
01:17:31So there'll be like, Oh, Gary Faust, the guy that's been talking a bunch of shit about us
01:17:35is requesting this information.
01:17:37We're going to, you know, deny that.
01:17:39Yep.
01:17:40It's crazy.
01:17:41But this is similar to that.
01:17:42And I think this is actually-
01:17:43You're branded as the transparency act.
01:17:44Cause who can, who can say no to transparency?
01:17:46It was existing legislation that was put into place.
01:17:47Transparency equals good.
01:17:48Yeah.
01:17:49Yeah.
01:17:50Yeah.
01:17:51Yeah.
01:17:52But yeah, this is, this is crazy.
01:17:53I don't even know what else to say about it because not much has transpired, but in my
01:17:56field of work, I mean, that would, that would basically prevent me from doing my job.
01:18:03Uh, I have a quote that I love.
01:18:05This is a little more positive.
01:18:06I feel like we've had some, some conspiracy, some darkness, uh, some, some getting in trouble.
01:18:12I want to bring a little, little, uh, positivity here.
01:18:15All right.
01:18:16So.
01:18:17Saw this quote from Blake Mycoskie who created Tom's Shoes.
01:18:19Uh, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but he has this, he's like, I've had this on
01:18:23the wall of every office who says a master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction
01:18:27between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education
01:18:31and recreation.
01:18:32He hardly knows which is which he simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he's
01:18:37doing and leaves others to determine if he is working or playing to him.
01:18:41He always appears to be doing both.
01:18:43And I just like that to me has just been a very useful, um, I don't know, guidepost or
01:18:49like, oh yeah, like that is the highest calling.
01:18:51If you yourself basically don't differentiate between your work and your play or, you know,
01:18:56are you, is this a, is this something that you have to do or you should do or you want
01:19:00to do, the more those blend together and the less you sort of bucket things, I think the
01:19:05more you solve the problem of balance that I think nobody feels like they have.
01:19:10And so I just thought this was awesome and I'm going to put this up in my office wall.
01:19:13This seems similar to what Michael was talking about of the childlike thing.
01:19:17You remember on the first episode that we did and he was quoted some scripture, he said be
01:19:22childlike my children or some, some, some, something like that.
01:19:25I think one of the problems that you have is working for yourself sounds great because
01:19:30it sounds like choose whenever you want to work, but for most people, what it results
01:19:35in being is just work all the time because there's no one to tell you to stop.
01:19:40And a great idea to think about if this doesn't feel like play to me, scrutinize it and maybe
01:19:47try and get rid of whatever I can from this particular area of my life.
01:19:52But when you're compelled by, oh well, I just want to be more successful and more well-known,
01:19:59that is rewarding in and of itself, but it's not the type of reward that you want.
01:20:03So you need to almost be skeptical and discerning in the rewards that you get too.
01:20:08This feels like play, but it might actually be just shallow, juvenile, status-seeking,
01:20:14or it might be me playing at the game of accumulating money when I already have enough.
01:20:19It's that line from James Clear where he says, if you already live a good lifestyle and you
01:20:24sacrifice it in order to make more money, by definition, it's a bad trade.
01:20:29And I think sometimes people are bad at distinguishing, determining what is and is not play, what is
01:20:36and is not just more like limbic rewards.
01:20:39That makes sense.
01:20:40So there's, there's this book that talks, that I'm reading, talks exactly about this called
01:20:42The Score.
01:20:43You guys ever heard of this book?
01:20:44Basically, it's this guy who's a philosophy professor, but he loved games growing up.
01:20:49He always plays games.
01:20:50And he uses games as this analogy.
01:20:52And I think in general, a far more important thing in life than being a good player is picking
01:20:57a good game because it's very easy to be, you know, you were talking about Joey Chestnut
01:21:02earlier, right?
01:21:03And like, you know, the philosopher, Joey Chestnut, no knock on him, but like just generally choosing
01:21:08to be a competitive eater, it's not the best game to play in life, right?
01:21:12Like you could choose many things to try to be great at.
01:21:14There are some that are better and worse.
01:21:17Every game comes with a scoreboard.
01:21:19The scoreboard is very unique in that it basically programs you, it rewires your mind for what
01:21:24you now want.
01:21:25The game dictates what you want, right?
01:21:28Because it says that's how you win.
01:21:29This is the scoreboard.
01:21:30So therefore I've implanted a desire.
01:21:33And then it tells you who you need, and then it changes your identity.
01:21:36Who do you need to be to win this game?
01:21:38So you play Call of Duty, you better be a psychopathic murderer, right?
01:21:41You gotta be ruthless.
01:21:42You play charades, you better be a team player, a great communicator.
01:21:45You play poker, you better be great at the art of deception.
01:21:48And so the game you choose will not only just choose for you what you want, it'll choose
01:21:54your motivation.
01:21:55It'll end up dictating your identity.
01:21:56Who do you need to be to win that game?
01:21:58So he talks about like, you know, he was a, he was, became a philosopher or philosophy
01:22:02professor because he loved answering the big questions about life.
01:22:05That's what got him into it.
01:22:06Then he got there and he realized there's a ranking system for the professors nationwide.
01:22:12And how do you go up to, so he's a competitive person by nature, like many of us are.
01:22:16So he started trying to win the game.
01:22:17Now he had a scoreboard.
01:22:18The scoreboard said, in order to get more points, you have to write more peer reviewed published
01:22:22articles about these niche topics.
01:22:24So then he spends two years winning that game and then basically feeling miserable because
01:22:28he's like, this is not what he enjoys about philosophy.
01:22:31So he made himself miserable winning the game.
01:22:33He talks about how there's something called value capture, value capture is basically when
01:22:37the game gives you the metric that is super simplified, easy to digest, but it may not
01:22:44have been what you want out of this.
01:22:47So for example, in like, like you were, you're, we're on YouTube, right?
01:22:50YouTube gives you one big score, views.
01:22:53You can make a life-changing episode that gets half the views of another episode, but it doesn't
01:22:57know how to measure life-changing, it just measures views and it's going to keep giving
01:23:00you that metric.
01:23:01I mean, let's be honest, how many YouTubers don't just respond to views, right?
01:23:04Like it's like a very, very powerful motivation because it's in your face.
01:23:08Everybody sees it.
01:23:09And that's the scoreboard that determines success or failure in that game.
01:23:13I've got, I mean, we've, we've like spoke about this at ours and yeah, this is one of
01:23:17our favorite.
01:23:18You hit one of our trap cards.
01:23:19Like there's a weirdly part of the thoughts I was thinking about this week was going down,
01:23:25like how is, you know, that Marshall McEwen line that we like shape our tools, then I would
01:23:29say it was a great example of Nietzsche, Nietzsche used to write by a hand and then his eyesight
01:23:34began to go.
01:23:35So he started to write in a typewriter and he's writing completely changed.
01:23:39He went way shorter, way punchier, like he almost completely changed as an individual.
01:23:44And I've been thinking about that with a lot of these tools where, so I would like one of
01:23:48my life hacks at the minute is what I call boom scrolling.
01:23:49So rather than doom scrolling, I go on a treadmill at like 15 incline, three in, I've got share
01:23:55believe on loop playing.
01:23:57So I'm spinning around and I'm a fucking great, I'm just sending links.
01:24:01If you, if you are either in his contacts high on the top of his list of I message contacts
01:24:05recently because he's got massive recency bias.
01:24:07So you only send it to the people that he can see.
01:24:09If you're in lifetime on South Lamar and you walk downstairs and you see him, it's you with
01:24:15something from the eighties, some hair metal or like some like big pop star from the eighties.
01:24:20And he's just furiously sending fucking links to social media.
01:24:23I think supposed to be consumed.
01:24:24If you're 130 beats a minute, if you're 130 heart, like heart rate per minute, you just
01:24:30like forget about like all the like new stuff goes and I'm just in like these holes, like
01:24:34finding stuff.
01:24:35But one of the reflections, you've managed to find a social media flow state for social
01:24:39media.
01:24:40Boom, scrolling.
01:24:41It's it's coming back.
01:24:42Um, so one of my, one of my actual realizations when I was in this high was one thing you,
01:24:49when you become, when you were in like a flow state or when you're more mindful, you begin
01:24:52to like the, a lot of meditators describe it as the frame rate of reality completely
01:24:56slows down.
01:24:57So it's kind of like going from a standard definition TV to a HD where everything's a
01:25:00bit clearer.
01:25:01Everything's a bit slower.
01:25:02And I started to notice this thing in my head I was really embarrassed about that when I
01:25:06would scroll, I'd see a tweet or I'd see a post and there's this little thing in me that
01:25:12just looks at the views it gets and then like determines if I'm going to consume it or my
01:25:17reaction beforehand.
01:25:18And it's almost like, imagine what we've created for this mimetic algorithm.
01:25:22Imagine before you ever heard like a piece of music when you ever tasted a bit of food,
01:25:27it's like people clapping or people going to spit shit.
01:25:30And that's your whole, so you don't actually ever experienced social media content.
01:25:34So one of the two big changes I'd like to see is one, could I just turn off all engagement
01:25:38metrics and I'd be fascinated to run a study and compare the two and see like the impact
01:25:43that that would have.
01:25:44And then the second one, cause I've thought a lot about this, which is your point Sean
01:25:47around the depth metrics that it's very hard for us to measure depth.
01:25:50It's very easy for us to measure width is right now, one of the problems with social
01:25:55media is you can only kind of pay with a like, like that's the currency, which, and then if
01:26:01you have a thought experiment, if you imagine the world where the only currency was one dot,
01:26:06like a $1 bill and you can't pay more than $1, what would you have?
01:26:09The dollar store theory.
01:26:10You'd have dollar store everywhere means you wouldn't have Michelin star restaurants.
01:26:13You wouldn't have like luxury brands.
01:26:15You wouldn't have all these stuff that you'd those are actually shit examples cause I hate
01:26:18them, but you know, stuff that you would actually want to pay more money for.
01:26:21And I thought even just as simple as Y X don't just implement like a golden, like what I only
01:26:26have one per week.
01:26:27It's completely meaningless, but I have one per week and I press it.
01:26:30And then I can also go on the golden like feed.
01:26:32I know this is the thing that Sean says out of everything he's consumed this week is the
01:26:36best.
01:26:37I think the change you would have in terms of content.
01:26:40The worst thing is that you, you proposed this to me over dinner, what, five years ago or
01:26:44something probably, and I was like fucking stupid idea.
01:26:46And then YouTube brought in hype.
01:26:48We've seen hype.
01:26:49No, what is that?
01:26:50If you're a channel with under a hundred thousand subscribers, you as a user are allowed, I think
01:26:55you're allocated about a thousand hype points per week, and you can only spend it on videos
01:27:00that are high performing.
01:27:01I think it might be videos over a hundred K on channels, less than a hundred K, something
01:27:05like that, but it's, uh, like non fungible, they limited, right?
01:27:09So the Bitcoin of your likes and it's fucking great.
01:27:12And I find myself using it on videos that I really want to, um, here's a small created
01:27:17that's nailed it with some great documentary explaining why the whole, the Strait of Hormuz
01:27:21is hard to get through.
01:27:22Whatever the fuck.
01:27:23And I'm like, I want to send the hype thing.
01:27:25Michael Smoke is, had one video that broke through and I wanted to do it for his thing.
01:27:29So yes, you're right.
01:27:31Other thing, McNamara fallacy, you familiar with that?
01:27:33No.
01:27:34Okay.
01:27:35So, uh, McNamara was the guy that was in charge of working out what was going on with the troops
01:27:39in the Vietnam war, and his issue was that he was measuring the wrong, uh, metrics.
01:27:47So the McNamara fallacy or quantitative fallacy is the mistake of making decisions based solely
01:27:51on metrics while ignoring qualitative and measurable factors named after us secretary of defense,
01:27:56Robert McNamara.
01:27:57It assumes that if something cannot be easily measured, it is not important or does not exist.
01:28:01So the issue that the McNamara fallacy had was that, uh, enemy body count metric is taken
01:28:07to be a precise and objective measure of the success or failure of the Vietnam war.
01:28:11But it wasn't at all.
01:28:13It was domestic casualties, domestic injuries, and the far more important, what's the vibe?
01:28:18What's the tone?
01:28:19The morale.
01:28:20Yes.
01:28:21The soul.
01:28:22Yeah, precisely.
01:28:23So, uh, the line is we end up intending to, uh, measure what matters, but instead what
01:28:32we can measure just ends up mattering.
01:28:34Yeah.
01:28:35And everything else is disregarded.
01:28:37So you could, like I say, how, um, obviously golden like idea, like, is there any ways you
01:28:42guys have like for yourselves, whether it's for the actual platforms themselves, or just
01:28:46for you as an individual who have found a way out of this?
01:28:49There was one I heard that I didn't do this, but Hormozi had a thing with us where he starts
01:28:53getting popular on YouTube and then he hires a team and they're like, Hey, let's, let's
01:28:59punch this up.
01:29:00Let's do this video.
01:29:01Let's do this video.
01:29:02Oh, people will love that.
01:29:03Do what you're eating, do what you, how you guys met, do this.
01:29:05And he started as a business channel and then he's doing everything.
01:29:08And of course, things that are, you know, there's not a lot of people who want to understand
01:29:11how to do better cold calls and sales, right?
01:29:13Like there's like, that's a super niche topic, but like, don't be broke is a bigger topic.
01:29:18And then bigger than that is going to be harsh truths about being a man, whatever, right?
01:29:22Like, so those are pop those get 2 million views.
01:29:24So why make those shitty 20,000 views about, you know, um, how to, how to improve your sales
01:29:29funnel or whatever.
01:29:31But he realized like, well, what was my mission?
01:29:32My mission was like, I'm like, I love business, I want to share what I know about business.
01:29:36And so what he did was, uh, he started selling his book for 99 cents and he put it in this
01:29:42bio, right?
01:29:43So he's basically just use the assumption of, instead of measuring the success of these videos
01:29:46based on views, let's just measure it on book sales.
01:29:49Presumably only a business person, the type of people I'm making content for would buy
01:29:53a business book about sales or about a hundred million dollar offers.
01:29:57Only somebody who liked the video and trusted me more from this video would go and convert.
01:30:01So it's like, let me create my own, like, like it's like people who do their own sampling,
01:30:08like their own polling.
01:30:09Uh, like, I don't know if you heard about this before the election, but there was a guy who
01:30:12did the, who made a huge bet on poly market that Trump was gonna, I'm gonna win.
01:30:16I don't know if you guys remember this, some French guy made like $50 million.
01:30:20And the reason why was the mainstream media polls were showing like a neck and neck race.
01:30:25And he did, um, what's called like something like the friends and neighbors poll.
01:30:29You can pull this up Jared, but like, I think the premise was, if you ask people who they're
01:30:33going to vote for, they'll tell you, but like some people hedge and there was like closeted
01:30:37Trump voters.
01:30:38But if you ask them, who do you think your neighbor's going to vote for, they'll give
01:30:41you a different question.
01:30:42This is like the Keynesian beauty contest.
01:30:44Yeah.
01:30:45And so he used the data from, he commissioned his own poll, which cost him like a few hundred
01:30:49thousand dollars or whatever.
01:30:51And he ended up making 40 or $50 million on a bet because he understood the actual probability
01:30:55of success was far different than the, the priced odds on these markets.
01:31:00So what you're saying that Alex did was he found a metric that was more important and
01:31:05more accurate than all of the other metrics.
01:31:07He brought his own, he brought his own metric to YouTube, which he had to hack around, right?
01:31:10To figure out how to do.
01:31:11James, James Smith does this.
01:31:12So he's got his business channel, which is that the other thing he basically shut down
01:31:16his main one, which has got half a million subs.
01:31:18And he'll put a video up that gets 20,000 plays and make $50,000.
01:31:23Because the people that go onto that video are precisely his target market at a high
01:31:28conversion and then they've got some special tracking link that's for each different video.
01:31:34So he knows, oh, this one video.
01:31:37Because it's only this link in that one video and it's pinned in the comments or whatever
01:31:40it might be.
01:31:41And he can, he's now optimizing for the outcome that he wants.
01:31:45That makes sense.
01:31:46Now, the problem is that you then start to optimize for book sales and what optimizing
01:31:51for book sales, cause you're always optimizing for something unless you're optimizing for
01:31:55vibe or optimizing for feeling.
01:31:57And that's what the, you know, to break the fourth wall, that's the reason that I wanted
01:32:00to do this.
01:32:01I don't know if these episodes will ever be bigger than me sitting down with McConaughey.
01:32:05I think they've kind of weirdly got the legs to be, but the reason I want you to do it is
01:32:08cause I thought it would be fun.
01:32:10And I think the optimizing for your, the quote on the wall of your man or the childlike joy
01:32:15or the, you know, good hang vibe.
01:32:18It's yeah, knowing when to use metrics, when to avoid them.
01:32:21And then also, then you said then about studies like how much of this is you and then how
01:32:24much of this is the wider...
01:32:25I have to give you credit.
01:32:26You did this when you released your high agency thing.
01:32:28I was the one who went on similar web and looked at the traffic to your blog.
01:32:32I was like, dude, there's a million people have read your blog.
01:32:34You're like, really?
01:32:35I'm like, don't, what are your analytics saying?
01:32:37That's a similar web.
01:32:38He's like, I didn't have Google analytics in.
01:32:39Yeah.
01:32:40And I was like, you're a marketing guy.
01:32:42How do you not have it in?
01:32:43You intentionally didn't have it in.
01:32:44Yes.
01:32:45Yes.
01:32:46And I was like, do a blog post.
01:32:48Blog posts are essentially the UK or the mainstream media.
01:32:51You know what I mean?
01:32:52Like it's like the ultimate like...
01:32:53Undervalue.
01:32:54Undervalue.
01:32:55Like don't do it.
01:32:56You can't link to it.
01:32:57And at that time, Twitter completely shadowed my links, but then, yeah, I think doing something
01:33:01fundamentally different.
01:33:02And this is the challenge of when do you know, and I struggled with this a lot, when you're
01:33:06a bit of a weird guy, which fucking all four of us are probably, right?
01:33:09When do you know that you're kind of on to something?
01:33:12You're on the edge or when are you just a bit batshit mentally?
01:33:15And that, and knowing that is a fucking scary, you got to have good friends, I think.
01:33:20As well as sometimes just balls and you make mistakes.
01:33:22No, no.
01:33:23You just ignore.
01:33:24You just always assume you're on to something.
01:33:25Put the glasses on.
01:33:26Always.
01:33:27A hundred percent assume you're on to something.
01:33:28That's what I do.
01:33:29Delusional.
01:33:30This is the difference.
01:33:31You know what I mean?
01:33:32That's our GDP gap right there.
01:33:33This side of the table and this side of the table.
01:33:34That's the GDP gap.
01:33:35Right there.
01:33:36What do you think?
01:33:37I'm going to tell you if you're on to something.
01:33:38Come on.
01:33:39Really.
01:33:40Really.
01:33:41It is.
01:33:42I'm always on to something.
01:33:43That's what I'm saying, dude.
01:33:44It's been a decade.
01:33:45That's a metacritic society where we've got an old school aristocratic society.
01:33:49Yeah, exactly.
01:33:50We've been handed down.
01:33:51And also the other thing is that we can't raise out of our status.
01:33:54You're going to be middle-class for the rest of your life in the eyes of British people.
01:33:57I'm going to be working class for the rest of my life in the eyes of British people.
01:34:00It doesn't matter what I do.
01:34:01It doesn't matter how many plays I get, how much money I make.
01:34:04When I go back home, they know where I went to school.
01:34:06They know what postcode my parents lived in.
01:34:08They know what my accent's like.
01:34:10I think that that puts a kind of cap on how much people think that they... how big their
01:34:16dreams should be and how much faith they should have in themselves.
01:34:19This is...
01:34:20Alain de Botton talked about this.
01:34:21He's like, people that come from in the UK working class backgrounds, they're probably
01:34:25not going to try and rock the boat because that's not their place.
01:34:28It's not your place to do that.
01:34:30America's like nascent.
01:34:31It's like fucking two years old, right?
01:34:33In the grand scheme of things.
01:34:34We've got a thousand years of uninterrupted, uninvaded history, right?
01:34:38Apart from some planes in fucking like August of 1940.
01:34:42That's it, right?
01:34:43And then fucking Rudolf Hess, when he decided to try and land in Scotland, do you know that
01:34:47story?
01:34:48Rudolf Hess.
01:34:49Amazing.
01:34:50Gee, do you want to tell it?
01:34:51You tell it better than me.
01:34:53Okay.
01:34:54So Rudolf Hess was one of the- That was the most English shit ever.
01:34:58You want to tell it?
01:34:59No.
01:35:00You tell it better than me.
01:35:02Crack on.
01:35:05Rudolf Hess was a German fighter ace in World War I, and he then becomes one of the inner
01:35:11circle for Hitler in World War II.
01:35:14He starts to slowly lose favor toward the end of the war, I think '43, '44 he starts to lose
01:35:18favor with Hitler, and he sees himself being shunted to the side a little bit.
01:35:23So he decides that he's going to do something courageous and heroic that's going to save
01:35:29the war and also bring him back into the inner circle with regards to Hitler because he's
01:35:32got this group of sycophants around him.
01:35:36He's got Himmler.
01:35:37He's got Goebbels.
01:35:38He's got all of these guys that are around him and Rudolf Hess has been shunted out to
01:35:41the side.
01:35:42So Hess gets a two seat plane, one of the long range bomber planes that the Germans were using.
01:35:51He gets it modified so that it can be flown by one person as opposed to two.
01:35:54He gets additional fuel tanks strapped to it and he flies it without telling anybody.
01:36:00In the middle of the night from Germany over to Scotland because he once met some aristocratic
01:36:07Scottish nobleman and thinks because he's got this perspective of Brits that it's all one
01:36:16Renaissance Bridgeton novel that he is going to know Winston Churchill and the king or the
01:36:24queen and is going to be able to petition Britain to have an armistice, to put down their arms.
01:36:31So he leaves a note for the Fuhrer and leaves a note for his wife and just sets off.
01:36:38Now he doesn't know where he is when he gets to Scotland because it's dark.
01:36:42By the time he gets to Scotland it's dark and he can't see where he wanted to land.
01:36:47He can't see the fucking palace or the house of this nobleman.
01:36:50So he just pulls the ejector seat, lands in a farmer's field, very quickly gets picked
01:36:56up by the British military.
01:36:58They find out this is the fourth ranking Nazi in the entire Reich.
01:37:04Immediately take him into custody.
01:37:05He doesn't get to see the king, doesn't get to see the queen, doesn't get to see anybody.
01:37:07Doesn't get to see anybody at all.
01:37:08Doesn't get anywhere close to the nobleman he meant to go out in there and see.
01:37:12However, the British now have the fourth ranking Nazi in the world and Hitler is furious, absolutely
01:37:17fucking furious.
01:37:18Like apoplectic, apparently.
01:37:21And it just goes to show, I think, like first off the weird incentives and the way that people
01:37:30respond to a tight sphere of a social circle with power struggles that keep on going on.
01:37:36It causes people to do crazy, being in a relationship with a hot cold girlfriend, right?
01:37:39You're just doing fucking insane things.
01:37:41You're like throwing rocks at her window, holding a boom box with a mix tape.
01:37:44And then the next day you're naked, fucking getting, you know, being beaten up by her or
01:37:49whatever.
01:37:50I told you that story in confidence.
01:37:54The other thing is that people still have this kind of archaic interpretation of what British
01:38:00life is like, especially back in the day.
01:38:02He should have done a 360 and then moonwalked out of there.
01:38:06Have you ever heard of the story of Churchill and Hitler getting dinner?
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01:39:22Early thirties, Churchill's very much out of the picture and Hitler's on the come up.
01:39:28So I think he's just, he's either just became chancellor or he's just about to become chancellor.
01:39:32And one of the fascinating things that you, when you really study history is how blurry
01:39:36it is at the time.
01:39:37So I always use the example of the Roman empire of, you can, I think it's like 476 AD is when
01:39:42the Roman empire fell.
01:39:44But if you ask, well, when did the people recognize it fell?
01:39:48And it's a bit like, huh, the same with the British empire, like when did the British empire
01:39:52fall?
01:39:53It's like, you could point to certain parts of world war one, you could go further back,
01:39:56you could go to world war two, you could go to sixties, seventies, whenever you want to
01:39:59go to it.
01:40:01When do people actually recognize things?
01:40:02It's always later.
01:40:04And even like Hitler, like Churchill, who obviously ends up becoming Hitler's nemesis, was intrigued
01:40:10by a dinner with him.
01:40:11So there was this guy called Ernst Pudsy-Hangelsfegan.
01:40:14You can probably search that one, Jared, and good luck.
01:40:19And he, he, he was like a socialite in Germany who wanted to arrange the meeting and Churchill
01:40:24basically said, listen, he was really concerned about communism at the time, but he was also
01:40:28concerned with Hitler's antisemitism.
01:40:30So Pudsy says, well, come through, I'll introduce you to Adolf.
01:40:33You guys will get on really well.
01:40:35Churchill turns up.
01:40:36He's got his whole family there and kind of chatting to Pudsy.
01:40:38He's still not here.
01:40:39Still not here.
01:40:40So they kind of have dinner.
01:40:41Hitler's not there.
01:40:42And Churchill's like, where is he?
01:40:44So Pudsy goes, leave it with me.
01:40:45So Hitler famously lives in an apartment building in Berlin.
01:40:49So he goes to his apartment building, shit you not, Hitler's there, just shaving his
01:40:53mustache.
01:40:54So he's just shaving his mustache at the time, because you've got to, that's the thing about
01:40:57his mustache.
01:40:58Like there's a lot of work that goes into that thing.
01:41:00So he's shaving the mustache and he goes, Winston Churchill, very important British politician
01:41:04wants to meet you.
01:41:05And he's like, what am I going to say to him?
01:41:08What am I going to say?
01:41:10I have no interest in talking to that guy.
01:41:12And Pudsy like argues with him for ages and he goes, right, I'll come.
01:41:15So he goes back, tells Churchill, Churchill and his family sit there, Hitler never comes.
01:41:19So Pudsy says, I'll set it up the next day, sets up another dinner, Hitler never comes.
01:41:23And it's like those moments of history that if those two met, because famously, I didn't
01:41:28realize this until I was reading about it recently, that Chamberlain met Adolf Hitler.
01:41:33He flew over to Germany and he was impressed, do this, give us a handshake.
01:41:36He was impressed by the handshake because Hitler does these double handshakes and he was drawn
01:41:40in by his charisma and believed, oh, this guy will never invade.
01:41:44But it's just this fascinating counterfactual that if Adolf and Winston met, what would
01:41:47have happened?
01:41:48What year was that?
01:41:49I want to say 31, 32, around about then.
01:41:52Fuck.
01:41:53Yeah, that's so cool.
01:41:56Have you seen the Forbes 30 under 30 fraud list?
01:42:01Oh, wow.
01:42:02Yeah.
01:42:03It's crazy.
01:42:04Jared.
01:42:05How long is it now?
01:42:06So it's just, this stinks of you two.
01:42:08This is really something, this is kind of just a gift for you two.
01:42:12But this is the 30 under 30 fraud watch list.
01:42:14So if we scroll down a little bit and you hover over Sam Bankman-Fried, you'll see incarcerated
01:42:20Terraform Labs, incarcerated, Elizabeth Holmes, Theranos, incarcerated, we'll keep going down.
01:42:26There we go.
01:42:27Time served for Martin Shkreli.
01:42:30And if you go to the black bit where it's like redacted, just scroll over the black text.
01:42:35The real numbers were 300,000, that's it.
01:42:36So the student loan app to JP Morgan for 175 million claimed 4.25 million users.
01:42:41The real number was 300,000 and she hired a data scientist to fabricate the rest.
01:42:46JP Morgan bought it anyway, then noticed.
01:42:48Oops.
01:42:49If we go all the way down to the bottom, there's actually a risk list.
01:42:51So this is people who've been on the 30 under 30, it's like a, how would you say, prototypical
01:42:57algorithm that looks at some of the hype around the market.
01:43:01So these are companies that they think is going to be likely to be on the fraud list.
01:43:07So I don't know any sphere, cursor, do you know what that is?
01:43:10Yeah.
01:43:11Cursor is super legit.
01:43:12So I would say cursor is super legit, but they're not going to come for you.
01:43:17The crazy one is Sam Bankman-Fried.
01:43:18It came out today.
01:43:19Polymarket there.
01:43:20Sam Bankman-Fried came out today that the shares FTX, so Sam Bankman-Fried put an investment
01:43:26in Anthropic that owns Claude.
01:43:28It would have gotten them out of the bankruptcy.
01:43:30It's something like that.
01:43:31No, it's like $60 billion.
01:43:33$60 billion, which Coinbase is worth $50 billion or something like that.
01:43:36So it's, but the...
01:43:37FTX at its peak was 30.
01:43:39So basically he's one of the, had he not gone to jail for fraud and had not been using customers'
01:43:44money.
01:43:45Would have been one of the richest people on the planet.
01:43:46And he would have been seen as one of the best investors in the world because he was early
01:43:49in salami, it was early in this.
01:43:51Do they still have that position or did they have to liquidate the position?
01:43:55That's the sad part.
01:43:56When they did the bankruptcy, they bring in this guy.
01:43:59He's a famous guy.
01:44:00He did the Enron bankruptcy, something like something Rice or something, I forget who his
01:44:03name is.
01:44:04He's got a cool sounding name.
01:44:05They bring him in.
01:44:06So what do they do?
01:44:07They immediately like freeze all payments.
01:44:08They like have like a protocol of bankruptcy.
01:44:10And so one of the things is they take all these illiquid shares and they say, we need to sell
01:44:13them and they sell them at this huge discount right away into the market.
01:44:18And so they sold-
01:44:19Do you know what they sold it for?
01:44:21So they sold the whole lot for like, I think like a billion dollars of all the investments
01:44:27that he had made.
01:44:28And so it was like a fraction of whatever it was worth essentially.
01:44:31And just the one anthropic position alone is a $60 billion position.
01:44:34Would that have paid off all of the-
01:44:36Oh, multiple times.
01:44:37Many times.
01:44:38So all of the people who were missing money, had they have just held, when was the FTX thing?
01:44:43Three years ago?
01:44:44Something like that.
01:44:45Had they have held the FTX position in anthropic simply for what, thousand days, thousand months,
01:44:52even let's say it was like, they did it, it was last year, it would have been three years.
01:44:56That would have cleared off everybody's debts.
01:44:58Everybody would have got their money back.
01:44:59Right.
01:45:00Well, you got screwed because let's say you held Bitcoin in FTX.
01:45:03You did nothing wrong.
01:45:04You bought Bitcoin on this exchange.
01:45:05You think you have Bitcoin.
01:45:06In reality, FTX either didn't buy the Bitcoin, just took your cash.
01:45:10They showed you.
01:45:11You own 10 Bitcoin, but you didn't.
01:45:12They never bought the Bitcoin.
01:45:13They just took the cash and did something with it.
01:45:15Or you did have Bitcoin and they went and used it again for their own slush fund of investing,
01:45:20which they were not supposed to do.
01:45:22Now, even when the bankruptcy happened and it's like, oh, you're going to get paid out.
01:45:26You got paid out based on the Bitcoin price when it happened.
01:45:30Not the fact that Bitcoin was up three, four, five X since then, it was like, that's the
01:45:37way that I guess the bankruptcy process works.
01:45:38I don't know the technicality of the way that they, that they did it.
01:45:41And so you had this money that should have been appreciating that was locked up.
01:45:45And then you get paid on the four years ago price or whatever it was, the day, the day
01:45:49that it, that it happened is, it's, is pretty bad.
01:45:52Sean, your knowledge of fucking niche business stuff, dude, is terrifying.
01:45:58It's like George for random historical facts.
01:46:00It's really fucking terrifying.
01:46:01Galloway did something cool with this.
01:46:03Have you heard what he did?
01:46:04So when the bankruptcy happened and people, um, every, every, so like for me, I had some
01:46:09cash and FTX was one of our sponsors.
01:46:13They gave us a bunch of money.
01:46:14They gave us like a hundred, 200 grand to write one article about them on the milk road.
01:46:19And we actually wrote it and I wrote in the thing.
01:46:21I was like, yeah, there's this, uh, weird relationship between FTX, which everybody thinks is the
01:46:25best company in the world right now.
01:46:27And Alameda research, his like hedge fund.
01:46:30And it's like, it's unclear the relationship.
01:46:32It's a bit of a, so you called this out.
01:46:34So I called that part.
01:46:35I didn't, I'm not an investigative journalist.
01:46:36I wasn't going to go.
01:46:37It's not my job to go figure that out, but I just noted like, Hey, like here's a bunch
01:46:41of really interesting things about them.
01:46:42Here's something that's unexplained.
01:46:43I don't, I don't fully know.
01:46:44It sounds a little bit sketch.
01:46:46And so we sent it to them.
01:46:47We're like, Hey, we're ready to post.
01:46:48And they were like, uh, you need to take that part out.
01:46:51And so I was like, well, I think I'm not going to take it out.
01:46:55And they were like, okay, uh, we'll get back to you.
01:46:58And they just never talked to me again.
01:47:00They never took the money back.
01:47:01They never asked for the money back.
01:47:02They just disappeared.
01:47:03You never posted it.
01:47:04We never posted it.
01:47:05We were like, okay, I guess we'll just, I guess they'll get back to us.
01:47:07They just never did.
01:47:08And then it came out that that was like this link.
01:47:11That was like a really problematic thing.
01:47:12That was their defensive way of handling that.
01:47:14Did you ever talk about that?
01:47:15Did you ever bring up the fact that you presciently fucking accidentally just nudge the trip wire.
01:47:21You didn't fully break it, but you nudged the trip wire that was going to cause like
01:47:24the biggest banking scandal of the last five years.
01:47:26The Epstein girls, the two girls, but I'm like a dog setting it off.
01:47:29I wasn't really like clever in how I was doing.
01:47:31You moonwalked it.
01:47:32I was just like, that sounds weird.
01:47:34Is there an explanation for this?
01:47:35They're like, no.
01:47:36I'm like, okay, it still sounds weird to me.
01:47:40It's really interesting to consider.
01:47:41And it kind of links to the study says science says of, we just have this default bias of
01:47:47if people think this thing is successful, kind of it's this giant game of Empress new clothes
01:47:52that exists.
01:47:53And one of the things that I've always had a bit of a problem with, maybe because I was
01:47:57such an unpopular kid, that the fact that talent isn't enough, momentum is more important for
01:48:04the most part.
01:48:05And we can let a lot of people get away with some pretty gnarly shit if it seems like they're
01:48:10crushing it.
01:48:11I always use this example of a Fyre festival.
01:48:14Billy McFarland from Fyre festival, the festival was an entire catastrophe, multiple documentaries
01:48:19made about it.
01:48:20People are in basically FEMA shelters instead of the five star huts that they were promised.
01:48:25Blink 182 doesn't turn up.
01:48:26People have got these like small cheese sandwiches.
01:48:28Maybe they're going to be stranded on an island, there's not enough water, all the rest of it.
01:48:31But if Billy McFarland had been able to put together a half competent festival, just passable,
01:48:38he would have been hailed as a marketing genius.
01:48:40The orange square, all of that stuff is hugely influential.
01:48:43And this is because we will forgive almost every sin of someone's if they're successful.
01:48:49And in a meritocracy, this makes complete sense, right?
01:48:51If you are crushing it, that means I want to be around you.
01:48:54The blast radius of your success is so great.
01:48:56One canonical perfect example that happened two weeks ago, Kanye West.
01:49:02Kanye West just sold out SoFi stadium two nights, right?
01:49:07And the stage show is fucking spectacular.
01:49:09All that anyone can talk about is how cool the production was, and he's got all of these
01:49:12guests coming on.
01:49:13It's fucking amazing.
01:49:14He hasn't exactly showered himself in glory over the last five years, right?
01:49:18It would be difficult for a musician to try and torpedo their own musical career more aggressively
01:49:25than Kanye West did, but homeboys got bangers.
01:49:29If you've got bangers, dude, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
01:49:33And that's on one side, what happens with music, your point and beauty, two things that
01:49:40hack the human brain so effectively that you will stay going back to the fucking crazy stripper
01:49:45girl because she's so hot, even though she's bad for you, you will listen to the person
01:49:49who put out literal Heil Hitler song fucking six months ago, because he's got three and
01:49:55a half hour worth set of straight heaters.
01:49:59And the same thing is also true with momentum.
01:50:03If somebody seems to be crushing it, we'll just, Sam Bankman-Fried is playing fucking,
01:50:10what was he playing?
01:50:11Like fucking World of Warcraft or something?
01:50:12During the meeting.
01:50:13And he's like, oh my God, this guy's a fucking genius.
01:50:15Genius.
01:50:16Yeah, exactly.
01:50:17And it's like, no, no, no, no.
01:50:18Any person would be scrutinized, but if you've got the right momentum, people are happy to
01:50:23just fucking shunt that to the side.
01:50:25And I've never liked it.
01:50:26And it goes to my theory about why people say the only insults that hurt are the ones that
01:50:33you believe.
01:50:34And I don't think it's true.
01:50:35I think the insults that hurt the most are the ones that you know are untrue, but that
01:50:40you fear other people might believe.
01:50:42Because that's optics management because you have not only the unfairness, but you have
01:50:46the indignation of knowing that it isn't true.
01:50:48And this is the opposite side of the same dynamic that we're talking about here.
01:50:52You could put out something which is amazingly researched, a fantastic piece of work.
01:50:55But if other people say you're a bad guy or that was done incorrectly, or we don't think
01:51:00he's cool, it's not going to get anywhere.
01:51:03But that can't happen with beauty because it hacks the human brain.
01:51:07It is so hard to say, you can say that girl or that guy that's very good looking, they're
01:51:12an asshole.
01:51:13They're this, they're that.
01:51:14And you go, yeah, but they're so fucking hot.
01:51:15And the same with Kanye West.
01:51:16You can say, he's an anti-Semite.
01:51:17We don't like him.
01:51:18He's crazy.
01:51:19He's addicted to nitrous.
01:51:20It's like, he's got fucking heaters, dude.
01:51:24For as long as he's got heaters, it doesn't matter.
01:51:26I do think music and beauty are unique in that regard.
01:51:31The more successful you are as a musician, the more you can probably get away with more
01:51:34so than any other realm.
01:51:37People can kid themselves into not liking something that is objectively good because they don't
01:51:45like the person putting it across in most art forms.
01:51:47If you don't like somebody on a podcast and they tell a really interesting story, you can
01:51:52convince yourself that it wasn't that interesting or they're an asshole.
01:51:55Even comedy.
01:51:56Someone can tell a joke and you can be like, no, no, it wasn't that good.
01:51:59It wasn't that good.
01:52:00Didn't think it was that good.
01:52:01The same thing is not true for music.
01:52:03It is so penetrating emotionally to people.
01:52:05It fucking just cuts through your biases.
01:52:08It cuts through your defenses in a way that other art forms can't.
01:52:12And beauty, especially like female beauty for guys is just, you can be the craziest, like
01:52:19total cluster B personality nightmare curse.
01:52:24If you're hot guys are just going to keep coming back.
01:52:26Wait till you hear Epstein's SoundCloud.
01:52:28You know, I always use the example with Billy McFarland of like Steve Jobs is a little bit
01:52:34of a very, very different figure to Billy McFarland, but we are the distortion field kind of makes
01:52:38things happen.
01:52:39And like the counterfactual, that like the ultimate thing that McFarland did, or one of
01:52:44the big things is like his business partner, his co-founder was Ja Rule.
01:52:49And like I always put like the counterfactual, if Steve Jobs is co-founder was Ja Rule rather
01:52:54than Steve Wozniak, like the McFarland story is very on him for selecting Ja Rule.
01:53:01But if you would have selected a good operator, what would have happened?
01:53:04A question.
01:53:05A question.
01:53:06What businesses would be made better by adding Ja Rule in?
01:53:10That's a great question.
01:53:12Have you seen the old thing?
01:53:14What does Ja have to say about this?
01:53:16I don't know about old time, old internet memes.
01:53:21There's a phrase that I've been very interested in recently called super normal stimuli.
01:53:26Have you guys heard this?
01:53:27Yeah.
01:53:28That's pretty fascinating.
01:53:29Are you familiar with this?
01:53:30You might be able to explain it.
01:53:31Skinnerian behaviorism stuff.
01:53:32Yeah.
01:53:33He was a scientist back then, he won the Nobel Prize for this.
01:53:36And what he studied was, he got famous because instead of doing studies in a lab, he just
01:53:41went out into the wild.
01:53:42He was like, what do I observe is actually true.
01:53:43And then if I tweak a variable, can I just leave it in the real environment and see what
01:53:48happens?
01:53:49And so what he did was, you know, birds, the core behavior of a bird is to sit on the egg,
01:53:55keep the egg warm.
01:53:56That's your baby.
01:53:57That's like the entire like Darwinian pressure is to keep this egg alive.
01:54:01So he goes, awesome, bird loves egg.
01:54:05Does bird love bigger egg?
01:54:07Does bird love pink egg?
01:54:08Bird love pink polka dot egg?
01:54:10So he started putting a fake bigger egg with bigger dots and bigger brighter colors, put
01:54:15it next to it and guess what the bird does?
01:54:17Gets off its real egg and go sits on the fake egg.
01:54:20Cause it's more stable, hijack the brain.
01:54:22And so literally his point wasn't like, it's not like some rational pros and cons list decision.
01:54:26Bird just had a deep, like a part of his brain that you could just hijack by changing this
01:54:33to give it a, what he calls a super normal stimulus.
01:54:36So even give him a bitter, bigger, and he could just keep doing this up to the point where
01:54:38it's almost comical.
01:54:39The egg is so big that a bird finally, when he's like, I can't even sit on this egg.
01:54:43Okay.
01:54:44I guess that's too big.
01:54:45Right.
01:54:46And like, you know, you walk around and you'll see people with crazy lip fillers and BBLs.
01:54:50And it's like, what is it?
01:54:51It's a super normal stimulus.
01:54:53It's the same thing.
01:54:54It's like, there's a way to hijack the mind, beauty, color.
01:54:57If you go to the grocery store, what are the food companies do?
01:55:00They basically take your normal stimulus.
01:55:01So like, you know, the humans were evolved to love.
01:55:04We like salt because we need electrolytes.
01:55:06We like fat for a certain reason.
01:55:07We need certain things in our, in our diet.
01:55:09So they just said, well, what if I give you a lot of salt?
01:55:11What if I give you fucking Doritos, Kula ranch?
01:55:13What if I give you triple, you know, triple pack Doritos, local taco, whatever.
01:55:17And you eventually get a super normal stimulus that you really can't like resist.
01:55:22Your body has this like extreme, like pull towards it.
01:55:25You know, my favorite super normal stimuli is hunter gatherers eating cheesecake for
01:55:30the first time.
01:55:31Wow.
01:55:32Because it is so unique.
01:55:34There's a process called orification.
01:55:36So orification is the design of texture of foods.
01:55:40And if you think about ancestrally, almost every food that you can think of is a single
01:55:45texture.
01:55:46Like meat cooked slimy ish a little bit.
01:55:50There we go, super normal stimuli.
01:55:52Let's see how this is getting on.
01:55:53Yeah.
01:55:54Fuck that.
01:55:55Yeah.
01:55:56I'm out on this now.
01:55:57Two hours in.
01:55:58I'm still enjoying it.
01:55:59I think I'm hungry.
01:56:00Oreos.
01:56:01Crunchy on the outside, fluffy on the inside, fries.
01:56:04But what's interesting about the cheesecake thing is that you have fat with carbs and sugar,
01:56:09unbelievably rare.
01:56:11And you have sort of the crunchiness of the base and you can tell I'm hungry.
01:56:15And the like fluffiness of the top of the cheesecake and they give these to hunter gatherers and
01:56:19these their fucking minds.
01:56:21It's a flavor explosion, but yeah, there's a really great one that I think it's beetles,
01:56:27a type of beetle, dung beetle perhaps, or some of the beetle they're attracted, they're sexually
01:56:31attracted to the shininess of the shell, the shininess of the top, but as a glass bottles
01:56:37became prevalent, the beetle population was going down because the glass bottles were shinier
01:56:43and bigger than the beetles were.
01:56:45So they were driving themselves into extinction, not mating with each other and just mating
01:56:49with glass bottles because that was a super normal stimuli.
01:56:53And what happens with the cosmetic surgery, the big lips, the big boobs thing, you get
01:56:58something called fisharian runaway.
01:57:00So fisharian runaway is this sort of recursive, insane expansion of typically like sexually
01:57:07dimorphic traits, sexually provocative traits.
01:57:10And you end up with peacocks who've got tails so big that they can't move, with deer whose
01:57:16antlers are so large they can't lift their heads up and they die, with women who've got
01:57:21boobs that are so big that they end up with back pain and let's say that you took it to
01:57:27the absolute extreme, you were no longer able to procreate the reason for that trait in the
01:57:31first place, but you'd done something that like destroyed your hips and now it meant that
01:57:35you needed to have a hysterectomy and you couldn't have your uterus anymore and now you've killed
01:57:39your chance at doing the thing by having it run away with itself.
01:57:43The same as some of those deers or rams where the size of their like antler things dig into
01:57:50their own head and kill them.
01:57:52Oh yeah, I've seen that.
01:57:54That's crazy.
01:57:55Fucking Molly.
01:57:56Wow.
01:57:57It's funny how it's kind of like a meta discourse where, you know, you're talking earlier about
01:58:00the platforms and the feedback loops and then you end up like going so awry, but that's kind
01:58:05of nature's homegrown version.
01:58:11What you've seen on social media is tapping into this exact dynamic, it's the same thing.
01:58:16It's just that you've had to replicate it digitally.
01:58:18There's a great tweet that this guy Jay Alta said, he said, "You pity the moth for confusing
01:58:22the lamp for the moon, yet here you are confusing a screen for the world."
01:58:25Fucking slobber.
01:58:26It's one of the best tweets of this year.
01:58:28Yeah, it's amazing.
01:58:29But there is a solve, right?
01:58:31Because like you hear this and you're like, "Oh great, we're fucked."
01:58:33Well, there's got to be some sort of antidote to this.
01:58:36The interesting part was the equation goes like this.
01:58:39It's basically how powerful is the stimulus?
01:58:41So the flavor of the food, the size of the feathers, whatever, versus your baseline norm,
01:58:46what you are used to.
01:58:47And the cool thing is basically like, there's this arms race where they keep escalating.
01:58:50So the more you do it, the more you get used to it, then you need a bigger stimulus and
01:58:52a bigger, you need a bigger tweet and a bigger TikTok and more views on the next video and
01:58:56you need a stronger flavor.
01:58:58But all you got to do is basically detox for a very short amount of time and reset.
01:59:01Like if anybody's ever given up soda for like a couple months or years, if you go back to
01:59:07it, it tastes like horrible, it's like so syrupy, it's too sweet.
01:59:10You can't handle it, but you used to drink eight Diet Cokes.
01:59:13And the reason why is because you can reset the denominator essentially instead of trying
01:59:17to avoid the forces of commercialization that are trying to stimulate you.
01:59:23What's that Cook Fuchsius sub-stack that me and you like?
01:59:26You see his staring at a wall experiment?
01:59:29No.
01:59:30So this guy's sub-stack, it's pretty niche, but it's fucking.
01:59:33Cook Fuchsius.
01:59:34Cook Fuchsius.
01:59:35He's great.
01:59:36He's great.
01:59:37Really well-written.
01:59:38You would love it.
01:59:39Fucking great.
01:59:40George introduced me to him and now I'm pretty, his first post that I saw was "I am Andrew
01:59:44Puberman."
01:59:45That was the first blog post that I read from him.
01:59:49Subscribe.
01:59:50And he's doing an experiment.
01:59:53He did an experiment, I think for 30 days, where he stared at a wall for an hour.
01:59:58And this is kind of a twist on an ancient Eastern practice, which I think Dr. K's got his clients
02:00:03to do as well.
02:00:05After 20 minutes, some people burst into tears, some people are screaming, they kind of go
02:00:09a little bit.
02:00:10Yeah, because at least what I think is happening, their baseline of stimulus is so low.
02:00:18Even if you're in the shower, you're doing so.
02:00:20Even if you're going for a walk, things are moving past you, right?
02:00:22You're locomoting and you see the fucking wall.
02:00:24But all they're doing is staring at a wall?
02:00:26Staring at a wall for an hour.
02:00:27I mean, let's see.
02:00:29You know what would be an interesting test?
02:00:31Take people that have been to jail and compare them to people that haven't.
02:00:35Because that's basically what it still is.
02:00:37Dude, I was in fucking in-school suspension when I was a teenager for like weeks on end
02:00:43and all I did was stare at a fucking wall.
02:00:44It didn't make me go crazy.
02:00:46That's just weird.
02:00:47Well, I mean, present evidence may suggest other things.
02:00:49Well.
02:00:50Says the man in the ceiling.
02:00:51It was just a fucking delayed onset, dude.
02:00:54There's a few, like the most extreme versions of this you've got, I've never fully verified
02:01:02this one, but of monks who've meditated for such a significant period of time are in, I
02:01:09think it's like three standard deviations of happiness.
02:01:13It's like the 0.00001%.
02:01:15My favorite, and then I'm always a bit like, it's a bit of a study, but I'm like, fuck,
02:01:18this one's not a study, of the guy who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam war.
02:01:25I don't know if, Jared, if you could pull that one up.
02:01:27The monk?
02:01:28Yeah, the monk who set himself on fire, who just literally walks out, sits in a lotus position,
02:01:33sets himself on fire, doesn't flimish, blink, or flinch, and at that moment I was like, huh,
02:01:38maybe there is something to meditate.
02:01:40Studies don't need to show.
02:01:42Yeah, studies don't need to show.
02:01:43I think it's Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary that covers this really well.
02:01:48Have you heard about his heart?
02:01:50Whose heart?
02:01:51The guy.
02:01:52So this is like kind of a Buddhist philosophy that, or like a Buddhist part of the story,
02:01:55which was his heart didn't set on fire, so his heart was like kind of completely normal.
02:02:00His whole body went to crisp, but his heart was still there.
02:02:03I think you could check this, Jared, but I think in the cremation period they tried to
02:02:06cremate his heart and it refused to burn.
02:02:08It's like, it's a very surreal, it could be a complete myth, but as soon as I see this,
02:02:13any of my questions around what the human mind is capable of goes out the window.
02:02:16One boy sat in full Lotus just barbecuing anything around him.
02:02:20Yeah.
02:02:21That's crazy.
02:02:22You can see the gasoline.
02:02:23There's a guy who's trying the screen experiment.
02:02:25Have you seen this?
02:02:26The guy who's doing one year, no screens.
02:02:29He's trying to Brian Johnson, but just a no screen and he's scanning his brain before and
02:02:33after.
02:02:34How far into it is he?
02:02:35Like a day.
02:02:36He just started.
02:02:37He's just been staring at a wall.
02:02:39He's finished all the things.
02:02:41It's like, I'm going to avoid, yeah, this guy, David, David Danes, today I'm scanning my brain
02:02:45before I spend a year without screens.
02:02:47They expect brain function to change, but whether the structure self changes, nobody seems to
02:02:51know.
02:02:52And he's got his website where you could just like, you're going to be able to see the updates
02:02:55of the results.
02:02:56Imagine how hard it would be to not, it's like not being exposed to fucking microplastics,
02:03:01dude.
02:03:02I mean, he's going to be, yeah, he's going to be looking at a screen in an airport.
02:03:05He's going to go to the gym and there's going to be stuff around.
02:03:07So he's really, I assume no screens anywhere.
02:03:12I say, I assume he meant like phone TV, like personal screens, but he's not going to ever
02:03:15look at any, he's going Amish if it's not, come on, you got to go all the way fucking
02:03:23blinkers on.
02:03:24Let's see, see if you can find the rules of the, of the challenge, but yeah, that's, it's
02:03:28pretty on route.
02:03:29Hey, what was that quote you said, uh, maybe 10 minutes ago about the, the person that you
02:03:35look at the screen and it's what did you say?
02:03:37Like we, we laugh when the moth confuses, you know, a lamp for the moon, but here we are
02:03:41confusing the screen for the world.
02:03:43Yeah.
02:03:44Okay.
02:03:45Map that onto AI.
02:03:46What'd you mean?
02:03:47Just, just, uh, in general, like what, like, I don't know, in 50 years people are going
02:03:51to be like laughing at us because of whatever we were doing right now.
02:03:57Like we're confusing AI for real intelligence or what do you mean?
02:03:59I don't really know.
02:04:00I just, when you said that, it made me think of how AI is going to be like, um, people are
02:04:05going to laugh at us for, in 50 years for what we thought was good AI.
02:04:09That's what I thought of when you said that for some reason.
02:04:11Oh yeah.
02:04:12Well, I mean that, that curve of technology, like they're going to look at us right now
02:04:16in 50 or a hundred years, like where the fucking moth that thinks the lamp is a, what you get.
02:04:22Did you guys watch the, the, you mentioned Demis, you mentioned Demis from a DeepMind.
02:04:27Did you watch the documentary?
02:04:28It's amazing.
02:04:29Dude, it's so far.
02:04:30It's amazing.
02:04:31Good.
02:04:32He's got this, uh, the guy who created DeepMind, which kind of kicked off this whole AI wave.
02:04:36He has this documentary on Amazon, I think called The Thinking Game.
02:04:39It's on YouTube now.
02:04:40Oh, it's on YouTube?
02:04:41It's on YouTube.
02:04:42It's so good.
02:04:43Highly recommend to anyone.
02:04:44Demis, if you're, if you're listening, I want to bring you on the show.
02:04:45Reply to my emails.
02:04:46Dude.
02:04:47He's, he's, he's cool.
02:04:48Yeah.
02:04:49He was like a six year old child prodigy, chess player, et cetera, but like that moment of
02:04:53move 37 is just like chills.
02:04:56You know what I mean?
02:04:57Like, I feel like that's like a turning point in human history was this move 37 moment.
02:05:00Basically Google DeepMind has, I mean, they seem to be the most safety conscious, kind
02:05:08of very human approach to this AI race at the moment.
02:05:12Yes.
02:05:13But, uh, I don't know if, I mean that the whole point of this, which is why Scott Alexander
02:05:19thinks that Anthropic is the Antichrist, because the Antichrist will come and make you think
02:05:26that they're not.
02:05:27Uh, so in this whole AI, that was a whole point that I had with Tristan Harris is everyone
02:05:32wants to cast aspersions at companies like OpenAI, I don't like you because you did that.
02:05:36I don't know, I don't like Google because they did that, or Grok, I don't like you because
02:05:40you did the whatever.
02:05:41It's like, Hey, dude, it doesn't matter what somebody's stated fucking safety goals are.
02:05:45These guys are speed running through model development as quickly as possible.
02:05:49And if they don't, they lose, they lose.
02:05:53So just look at the incentives, don't look at the fucking press release, like, yeah, the
02:05:57Anthropic Super Bowl ads were fucking hilarious.
02:06:00But don't, and they decided not to do the thing for the department of war and they did whatever
02:06:04the stuff.
02:06:05So don't fucking like get lost in the sauce.
02:06:08These people are playing the exact same fucking game just with slightly better PR.
02:06:11Yeah.
02:06:12It does seem there's a huge Duma like narrative right now around AI that's becoming more and
02:06:16more popular.
02:06:17Listen to more Friedberg.
02:06:18Yeah.
02:06:19I mean, I, from the wider question of what happens, I don't know, but from firsthand,
02:06:24like experience like for myself, I, um, cause the image models are getting so good now.
02:06:28I've had like a, uh, like it's called suboramic dermatitis for about 10 years.
02:06:32Sometimes it gets so bad.
02:06:33I wouldn't want to go outside, like level of bad.
02:06:35I just showed it to Gemini.
02:06:36What does that mean?
02:06:37Um, so it's basically like you were kind of like, there'll be a lot of people listening
02:06:39that have it.
02:06:40It affects like five to 10% of the population and your face will just break out in like really
02:06:42bad eczema.
02:06:43So I went to one doctor who basically got me a steroid cream and said, the reason why you
02:06:47have it is because of stress.
02:06:48It's like quite well known because of stress carried on.
02:06:51I started like meditating, like fixing my diet.
02:06:52I basically didn't eat sugar for like two years and it calmed it down.
02:06:55I was like, Oh, it's because of sugar.
02:06:57And then I saw a second doctor and she said, yeah, you're too stressed out my fuck.
02:07:01I'm getting stressed out by your guy's diagnosis that I'm stressed out.
02:07:03So she recommends another steroid cream.
02:07:05I end up tracking it for ages and I just upload the whole document to Gemini and it goes, Oh
02:07:10no, just, just put Nizoral on your face.
02:07:13So anybody who has subatomic dermatitis, it fixes it for like 90% of people.
02:07:16And Nizoral is a medicine or it's shampoo.
02:07:18It's a fucking shampoo.
02:07:19Shampoo you can get for a few dollars and like, I've never had it ever again since I have 10
02:07:24years.
02:07:25Never had it ever again since.
02:07:26And that's just that.
02:07:27But these stories are like, it's not as, it's not as sexy as like the, the guy speaks to
02:07:31the LLM and decides to take his own life.
02:07:33That's not that that's like a obviously horrific story if it's even fucking true.
02:07:36I don't know.
02:07:37But like, I know just so many people whose like health is genuinely being like revolutionized
02:07:42by these things.
02:07:43And it's just, we just have such an anchor towards negativity.
02:07:48Also you're always going to push back against something, some new technological development.
02:07:52Yes.
02:07:53It's, it's, it's the most recurring lesson throughout history.
02:07:56Like I was reading, cause I was fascinated by with AI coming on.
02:07:58I was like, I want to go study the industrial revolution.
02:08:00But what was fascinating at the time you had two groups that came up, you had the Luddites
02:08:05who would just basically go and smash the factories in.
02:08:07And you saw this recently with Sam Altman having a Molotov cocktail thrown at his house a week
02:08:11ago.
02:08:12But then you also had the Romantics.
02:08:14So the Romantics would kind of pine about and you kind of see this now of AI where it's like
02:08:17the cool things swap, which, which are, and there is what you could, you do want the Luddites
02:08:21and you do want the Romantics because they kind of act as a balancing arc to, to the,
02:08:27to the progression.
02:08:28So like net net, most people alive today do not want to go back to pre-industrial revolution.
02:08:32They do not want, like the option is to go to Amish if you do want to, like that is available
02:08:36if you want to go Amish, but nobody does.
02:08:39I think AI is going to make people go fucking insane.
02:08:42Yeah.
02:08:43Yeah.
02:08:44Because then we're getting to a point where...
02:08:45I was going to say, but pull, Jared, if you can pull up the new thing, I don't know, the
02:08:49FC producers, I don't know how true it is, but essentially they argue it's, it's making
02:08:53people less polarized immediately, where social media was pushing people further to the left
02:08:57and the right, whereas AI, you can kind of always see it with Grok now, they fact check
02:09:00people a lot more.
02:09:01So they're bringing a lot more people into the center.
02:09:03Well why do you think it'll make people go insane?
02:09:04Because, dude, it's, we live in a post-truth age now.
02:09:06There's no way to determine what, what flavor is it?
02:09:08This is sweet whiskey.
02:09:09You want sweet whiskey?
02:09:10Yeah, dude.
02:09:11You're going to have two toothpicks in?
02:09:12That's fucking nuts.
02:09:13Yeah, I'm doubling down, dude.
02:09:14Jesus Christ.
02:09:15Well, um, there's a, well, I'm not using them to actually pick my teeth.
02:09:18I'm just...
02:09:19No, no, but just you, you, you need so many stimulants that you've got one mutonic toothpick,
02:09:24one zippix toothpick.
02:09:25Yeah, no, and I'm coming down off that kratom right now.
02:09:28You quiet for everything.
02:09:29Yeah.
02:09:30Slow motion.
02:09:31Uh, uh, I think that deep fakes and, uh, maybe it's more so in America than other places,
02:09:37but after the Charlie Kirk assassination, there's all these conspiracy theories left and right
02:09:42about whether it was Israel did it, or it's a hologram, or if this guy was real, like there's
02:09:48all this crazy shit, right?
02:09:50And um, nobody's going to be saying it's a something like, oh, this is a hologram or this
02:09:54was AI without the advent of AI being able to create deep fakes that are largely, I mean,
02:09:59look at it.
02:10:00Look at boomers, dude.
02:10:01They believe all sorts of crazy shit.
02:10:02And we're like fucking idiots.
02:10:03That's where I was kind of getting at, I guess, with what I was saying to you about that comment,
02:10:08but we're never going to know, I mean, ever what actually has happened with anything we
02:10:13know anymore.
02:10:14The truth is no longer even fucking matters because it can't be determined unless you experience
02:10:18it with your own five cents.
02:10:19So there's, um, there's a great, uh, chapter in a book called the beginning infinity and
02:10:22essentially his idea is what's called known as the precautionary principle, which is essentially
02:10:28the history of humanity is essentially problems.
02:10:30Like we start like even great bread, like where me and Chris are from is just a, is this human
02:10:35concept.
02:10:36Like it shouldn't exist.
02:10:37Like we in great bread and me and my family should fucking die of hypothermia, but because
02:10:41of like we created central heating, we created clothing.
02:10:45But so you essentially have this whole arc of just problem solving, problem solving,
02:10:49problem solving, problem solving.
02:10:50And the problem that you then have ironically is that when a new problem comes along like
02:10:53this is that you have what's known as the precautionary principle, which is we can see
02:10:56the problem, but we can't see the solution.
02:10:58But by definition, people, human beings can't forecast a solution because if you have the
02:11:01solution for it, we would implement and be worth trillion as, but what you end up having
02:11:05is kind of 7 billion people working towards, um, this potential problem.
02:11:08You sort of with COVID like I'm, I'm, it's very unsexy to say, but I'm pretty optimistic
02:11:14when it comes to human's abilities to solve problems.
02:11:17I think it'll, I think, I think like a lot of this stuff we can fix.
02:11:19Speaking of AI, did you see this Allbirds pivot?
02:11:22Oh damn.
02:11:23It's insane.
02:11:24Can you explain for the class, please, what the fuck just happened?
02:11:26Allbirds, which was like a popular shoe amongst tech guys, at least I don't know how popular
02:11:31it got outside of that, but it was like a niche shoe, it was like a wool sneaker.
02:11:35They were like, started small, became a public company, but then they started failing.
02:11:40And so like the stock has been going down for years there.
02:11:43I think there were last like, you know, at one point, like a billion dollar company, they
02:11:47were like $50 million company now.
02:11:49Because the stock had been falling, falling, falling, falling, falling, and there was really
02:11:52no path.
02:11:53And so these guys bought it, I think, I think what they did was they purchased it and they
02:11:56just pivoted to AI.
02:11:57And it's like, well, how does a shoe pivot AI?
02:12:00What does that mean?
02:12:01They're like, well, we raised all this debt.
02:12:02We're gonna buy GPUs and sell them and the stock, like, as of this morning is soaring.
02:12:06I don't think this is a sustainable thing, but the stock is up by what?
02:12:09The company valued at around $4 billion at its peak, sold the intellectual property and
02:12:13other assets two weeks ago for $39 million.
02:12:16$39 million, and then they renamed it like what, Freebird or something, what did they
02:12:19name it?
02:12:20The shoe company had a market cap of $21 million on Tuesday, which climbed to $148 million on
02:12:26Wednesday.
02:12:27Wow.
02:12:28Just by saying, we do AI.
02:12:29The words AI.
02:12:30We are going to do AI.
02:12:31There was like a ICT company that was like, yeah, we're an ICT company, but we're a blockchain
02:12:35ICT company.
02:12:36And then there was, you know, there was tons of these companies.
02:12:38They would just change their name.
02:12:39They didn't even change the underlying business.
02:12:41They just changed the name to like, you know, blockchain motor controls.
02:12:45And then their stock would pop just because of the one day price move is 582%.
02:12:50Yeah.
02:12:51It's stupid.
02:12:52There's stupid things that happen.
02:12:53There's like, you know, the efficient market hypothesis.
02:12:55And then you hear this, right?
02:12:56Yes.
02:12:57I saw somebody putting like the intelligent investor in the bin.
02:13:00It's like giving up on this.
02:13:01Yeah.
02:13:02You guys see this kind of blew my mind.
02:13:05This is more in the kind of fear and doom stuff, but did you see the Indian, the Indian factory
02:13:11AI thing?
02:13:12Do you see this?
02:13:13Oh, were they training people with the cameras?
02:13:17Headset.
02:13:18Yeah.
02:13:19To fold clothes and shit?
02:13:20They're sewing shirts.
02:13:21They're basically folding towels.
02:13:22They're doing shirts, but there's giant factories now in India where the primary function is
02:13:28you're paid to wear a head, like a head camera, and it just films you doing a task.
02:13:34And they're basically creating all the training data for the robots.
02:13:36Like the humans basically creating the training, you're like, Jared, pull this video up.
02:13:40It's just kind of striking when you see, it's like, it feels like a black mirror episode.
02:13:44Do you know, do you know how Tesla made itself driving so good?
02:13:49Do you know how the, how it was trained?
02:13:51With a human?
02:13:52Yeah.
02:13:53So, so these guys are just working and these guys have like neck pain and all this such
02:13:57as they're wearing this eight hours straight on their heads.
02:14:01There's like a comp.
02:14:02There's a company that's basically making a lot of money, creating this data and selling
02:14:06it back to the AI, AI labs, which is pretty wild.
02:14:09And Elon actually, he gave this interview, he said something that nobody really has talked
02:14:12about, but I thought it was pretty batshit crazy.
02:14:14They were like, well, the next thing for Tesla is not cars.
02:14:17It's his robot.
02:14:18They're like, how are you going to train the robot to do all this stuff?
02:14:21You don't, like for cars, you got the data because humans were driving the cars.
02:14:25So you were able to learn on millions and millions of miles.
02:14:27How are you going to do it with the robots?
02:14:29He's like, well, we're building this, I don't know, a hundred thousand square foot warehouse,
02:14:33and we're going to put 10,000 robots in there and they're going to self play.
02:14:38So he's like, so, so if you, if you watch like how they train the AI to beat, like go
02:14:43and chess, there was one way, which was you have grandmasters tell hard code rules.
02:14:48Okay.
02:14:49What's better than that.
02:14:50You train it on only grandmasters game, game logs.
02:14:54And then they did this thing called alpha zero, where they're like, we're just going to tell
02:14:57you the rules of chess.
02:14:58You play yourself a hundred thousand times, see what happens.
02:15:01And that became better than all of the other models with no, no data of how to play chess
02:15:07or how to play go.
02:15:08And so alpha zero was this huge breakthrough when, when DeepMind did it.
02:15:12So now you want to try to do the same thing with robots where he's like, yeah, we could
02:15:14do this, where we get all the data from like human people, like recordings, or we could
02:15:19just create a warehouse where we tell them the, the objectives of the different stations.
02:15:22And then we let them just like fumble around trying to figure out like how to use their
02:15:25arms and like, eventually they're just going to figure out, you know, put 10,000 robots
02:15:29in this box.
02:15:30I'm like, I would pay so much money to watch this live stream.
02:15:36What was that?
02:15:37Is it the Neo?
02:15:38Is that the at home robot?
02:15:39What was the one that's made of kind of knitted?
02:15:41Yeah, I think Neo is the name of it.
02:15:42Neo.
02:15:43So this was an at home assistance robot.
02:15:45There was two versions.
02:15:46You could buy it outright.
02:15:47You could rent it.
02:15:48I think to rent it was actually quite expensive.
02:15:49Was it $300 a month?
02:15:50Something like that, $400 a month.
02:15:52And someone videoed their Neo trying to close the dishwasher.
02:15:57And it looks like someone at the end of a party on too much ketamine trying to do the same
02:16:00thing.
02:16:01It's all sort of janky and it's going down like, and it just cannot close this fucking
02:16:05dishwasher.
02:16:06That reminds me of iRobot.
02:16:08Yeah.
02:16:09You remember that, Mary?
02:16:10Will Smith classic.
02:16:11And then he has the live in robot and he's like, I don't trust this fucking thing.
02:16:15Well, the way that the Tesla training data was done was that they took the top 5%, 1%
02:16:20of drivers and basically said, they're going to drive on our behalf because the self-training
02:16:26thing has to be harder when you're talking about the physical world because the parameters
02:16:30of outcome success and failure are way harder to work.
02:16:33Is this folded right?
02:16:34Like there's a million ways that you could fold it.
02:16:36It turns out like, you know, it's one of those fucking origami.
02:16:39It's a swan.
02:16:40It's a goose.
02:16:41And you don't want that.
02:16:43It's nice and beautiful, but it doesn't fit the parameters right.
02:16:46So more oversight or at least like a base training data of like, Hey, here are some of the, cause
02:16:51what are the rules of the game of folding clothes?
02:16:53Right.
02:16:54They kind of, it's kind of strange to, but once you've got this raw training set, but
02:16:59this is the fight, this does feel a little bit like, uh, finishing off the champagne on
02:17:04the Titanic.
02:17:06You know, it's like, we're going down and we'll just, on the way down, I'll make a little bit
02:17:10of extra money from doing this thing, uh, to round out George.
02:17:16Good news about your dad.
02:17:19Phil Collins is a rock and roll hall of fame 2026 inductee.
02:17:25Any idea what your dad said in response?
02:17:29Very British response this obviously I'm pleased and honored to be inducted.
02:17:36That wraps up what has been a wonderful life in music.
02:17:39Obviously I'm pleased.
02:17:40Sounds a little bit passive aggressive took, took a while until 2026 to get this obviously
02:17:45I'm pleased and honored to be inducted wraps up what has been a wonderful life in music
02:17:49boys.
02:17:50This has been fucking sick.
02:17:51Appreciate you all.
02:17:52All right.
02:17:53Unreal Phil Collins.
02:17:54George is dead.
02:17:55Let's go.
02:17:56All right.
02:17:57Goodbye everybody.
02:17:58This is my first time seeing so much fun.
02:18:03One last swig.
02:18:04I mean, thank you very much for tuning in.
02:18:08If you enjoyed that episode, another one that I know you love it's just here.

Key Takeaway

Achieving elite performance requires moving beyond general health studies to understand personal genetic predispositions, as evidenced by tools like genetic allele profiling and targeted recovery protocols like Mitopure.

Highlights

  • Coca-Cola's pH of 2.5 is similar to stomach acid, and combining it with salted peanuts amplifies perceived sweetness by suppressing bitter receptors without additional sugar.

  • Gaius Apuleius Diocles, a Roman chariot racer, earned an estimated 15 billion sesterces, equivalent to over $15 billion in 2011 currency.

  • Mainstream media outlets hold high-value audiences and exert disproportionate influence on institutional decision-makers despite declining general viewership.

  • 7-hydroxymitragynine (7OH) is a synthesized, potent version of kratom sold over-the-counter that poses significant addiction risks.

  • Genetic profiling via services like Intel X DNA reveals specific metabolic predispositions, such as slow caffeine clearance or magnesium absorption deficiencies, which allow for personalized health interventions.

  • US public restroom design, specifically the presence of slits in partitions, lacks the compartmentalization common in European or Middle Eastern facilities.

Timeline

Unconventional Pairings and Historical Wealth

  • Mixing salted peanuts with Coca-Cola enhances sweetness by suppressing bitter taste receptors.
  • Gaius Apuleius Diocles remains the highest-paid athlete in history with career earnings adjusted to over $15 billion.
  • US sports leagues utilize economic structures like salary caps and drafts that contradict free-market principles.

The chemistry of Coke and peanuts creates a distinct flavor profile by manipulating taste receptors. The discussion highlights that historical compensation for athletes like chariot racer Diocles far exceeds modern stars like Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods. Additionally, European observers note that US sports leagues operate on counter-intuitive 'communist' models compared to their own systems.

Societal Trends and Media Influence

  • Mainstream media outlets remain influential because they command a limited, high-prestige space that internet channels cannot replicate.
  • The United Kingdom's intellectual property output, including AI breakthroughs like DeepMind, remains high despite economic pessimism.
  • AI agents currently demonstrate value by debating among themselves to produce higher-quality answers.

Mainstream media maintains prestige because its time and space are finite, unlike the saturation of internet content. The UK is identified as an underpriced asset due to its consistent output of foundational intellectual property, such as the internet and AI research. Complex queries are increasingly handled by AI agent networks that simulate adversarial debate.

Mental Health, Kratom, and Genetic Personalization

  • Mental health awareness has been stretched, leading to over-diagnosis and the use of labels as crutches for avoiding personal agency.
  • Synthesized 7OH kratom products act similarly to opioids and present a growing epidemic risk due to over-the-counter availability.
  • Genetic allele profiling provides actionable data, such as identifying specific risks for anesthesia reactions or nutrient absorption issues.

Modern discourse on mental health often conflates medical conditions with personal choices, reducing individual agency. The discussion of kratom warns that synthesized 7OH versions are significantly more potent and addictive than raw leaf powder. Genetic testing provides specific biological data that allows individuals to bypass general health advice in favor of personalized interventions.

Modern Life Hacks and Cultural Observations

  • The lack of architectural privacy in US public restrooms is a notable cultural outlier compared to Europe.
  • The 'Uber Eats to OnlyFans' pipeline illustrates how gig-economy workers leverage platforms for direct audience monetization.
  • Scientific studies, particularly in psychology, often lack replicability and should be viewed with significant skepticism.

Observations regarding US restroom privacy slits and the emergence of gig-worker monetization strategies highlight evolving social dynamics. Critiques of scientific studies emphasize the replication crisis in psychology, suggesting that good explanations are more valuable than studies based on small, niche demographics. The discussion concludes by framing problem-solving as the primary driver of human progress.

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