00:00:00- Will a big house make you happier?
00:00:01- If you use it as a way to have better relationships
00:00:06with people.
00:00:08If you have a big house so you can have 20
00:00:09of your best buddies over every Friday night
00:00:11and have a great time, yes.
00:00:13If you have a big house because that's what you need
00:00:15for you and your spouse to have five kids
00:00:17and that's your meaning and purpose in life,
00:00:19yes, absolutely.
00:00:20But I think if you're using it as a way of just like a,
00:00:25because that's what you should want kind of thing,
00:00:27then it can be pretty miserable.
00:00:29Very interesting, Harvey Firestone,
00:00:30who created Firestone Tires,
00:00:32he was alive 120 years ago or some odd.
00:00:36He wrote a biography in the 1920s and he pointed this out.
00:00:39He said, "Every wealthy person that he knows,
00:00:42"without exception, buys a gigantic house.
00:00:45"And every single one of them, without exception,
00:00:48"finds it to just be a tremendous burden."
00:00:50(laughing)
00:00:51And he was like, "Why do we do it?"
00:00:54And he even said Henry Ford, who at the time
00:00:55was like a cheap miser.
00:00:58He was like, "Even Henry Ford has a gigantic house
00:01:01"that he hates."
00:01:02But he's like, "There has to be something in the human soul
00:01:06"that just associates large property with success."
00:01:10- Big abode.
00:01:11- Because, and I think a lot of people who have a big house
00:01:13know this, like a big house is a tremendous amount of upkeep.
00:01:16And a lot of people who live in those giant homes
00:01:19will eventually basically seclude themselves
00:01:21to a small little corner of that house that feels homely.
00:01:25- I would love to see people who have homes
00:01:27over 10,000 square feet or whatever.
00:01:30I'd love to do one of those GPS tracking maps.
00:01:32- Yes. - How they do with wolves.
00:01:33- Where do you stay with wolves?
00:01:34Yeah, yeah.
00:01:35- And I'd want to see, oh my God.
00:01:36You know of the 10,000 square feet that your house is?
00:01:39You use the same 1,500 square feet.
00:01:43- Right.
00:01:44- And you would be able to purchase that in this location
00:01:46or however many of these, or this is what you lived in.
00:01:49You use the size of house that you lived in
00:01:51when you were 22.
00:01:53- Yes.
00:01:54- And you're still living in that same house.
00:01:56It's just slightly bigger surrounding.
00:01:58- But even if you showed that person that information
00:02:01or for myself and you said,
00:02:02hey, you could actually only live in a house
00:02:04that's 1,500 square feet.
00:02:05No, no thanks, not interested.
00:02:07So that's what Harvey Firestone got right.
00:02:09He was like, it's a burden, but you still do it.
00:02:11And you're still going to do it.
00:02:12I have a friend whose parents live in a 20,000 square foot
00:02:15house and he gave us a tour.
00:02:16And the tour was basically, yeah, down that hall,
00:02:19there's four bedrooms that nobody ever uses.
00:02:22Down this hall, there's a room.
00:02:23It was going to be a gym,
00:02:24but we actually put the gym downstairs.
00:02:26Nobody ever uses it.
00:02:27He was giving us a tour of places that are never used.
00:02:30And just like I said, they basically secluded themselves
00:02:32to the kitchen, living room, bedroom and that was it.
00:02:34- Behold, my obsolescence.
00:02:37Look at how much surplus I have.
00:02:39- But I think this is why it's such a fascinating topic
00:02:41because people have always done that
00:02:42and they will always do it.
00:02:43- An interesting point is even rich people,
00:02:48not all rich people buy fancy cars.
00:02:52Not everyone's into cars, not all rich people.
00:02:55Most rich people fly at a slightly nicer class.
00:02:59I think that's one of the places.
00:03:00But very few people regret choosing to fly business
00:03:05over flying economy if you're in the market
00:03:07for that kind of travel quality.
00:03:09- Yeah, this is what Sam Zell,
00:03:11who was a billionaire real estate guy,
00:03:12he told David Senra this.
00:03:14Sam Zell said the only true material luxury is flying private.
00:03:20So Sam's advice, it's ambitious advice.
00:03:22He was like, get the private jet money.
00:03:24That's the only thing that makes a difference in your life.
00:03:26- Scott Galloway said the same.
00:03:26Scott Galloway said, once you're able to own your own home,
00:03:29the only next thing worth buying
00:03:32is being able to have a jet.
00:03:33- And obviously that's 0.0001% money.
00:03:35- It's a fucking, Scott, the difference between,
00:03:37I mean, for a lot of people,
00:03:38being able to buy a house is out of fucking reach
00:03:41at the moment.
00:03:43And then the jet thing, but at least to me,
00:03:46the sort of funny note on that was like, what about a yacht?
00:03:49He's like, yachts, stupid. - No, pain in the ass.
00:03:50- Yeah, I thought it was so funny.
00:03:54How do you define financial success then?
00:03:58After all of this time thinking about it,
00:03:59what does financial success come to mean?
00:04:02- To me, it's independence to be who you wanna be.
00:04:05And who I wanna be is not who you wanna be.
00:04:07Everyone has their own very individualistic definition
00:04:10of that.
00:04:11It's waking up and saying, I can do whatever I want today
00:04:14and having the independence and the freedom to do that.
00:04:17And the distinction is there are billionaires
00:04:19who have no control over their time,
00:04:20no control over their schedule,
00:04:22spend their entire day doing things that they don't wanna do.
00:04:25And there are people who make $50,000 a year
00:04:27who are living their absolute best life
00:04:29and totally control their life,
00:04:30control where they live, where they work,
00:04:33who they spend their time with,
00:04:34doing the hobbies that they wanna do.
00:04:36And so to me, that's really what wealth is.
00:04:39And I think a lot of people can get this wrong
00:04:41in their ambitions.
00:04:42That if your sole financial ambition is,
00:04:45I want the highest net worth,
00:04:47and the way in which you're gonna get that
00:04:50is to basically put on a performance
00:04:52of somebody that you're not and wake up every morning
00:04:54and do things that you don't enjoy doing.
00:04:56And that's not to say hard work.
00:04:59I think the vast majority of people get a big thrill
00:05:02and a lot of pleasure out of hard work.
00:05:04They like being productive,
00:05:04doing the thing that they wanna do.
00:05:06It's working hard on things that you genuinely don't enjoy
00:05:10solely because you're attracted to a bigger bank account.
00:05:13But then that's a very common thing.
00:05:15So I think the definition of wealth is the ability,
00:05:18the pleasure of being who you wanna be,
00:05:21being independent, waking up every morning and saying,
00:05:23"What I'm gonna do today is the thing that I want to do."
00:05:27- Wealth without independence is a unique form of poverty.
00:05:30- That's what it is for a lot of wealthy people.
00:05:32This to me is one of the most fascinating things
00:05:34of meeting a lot of wealthy people.
00:05:36If you associate wealth with material,
00:05:38and you go, they have a big house,
00:05:40they have a big car, maybe they have a plane,
00:05:42and you associate, oh, this person is very wealthy.
00:05:44And for a lot of them, not all of them,
00:05:45but for a lot of them, if you get to know them,
00:05:48they spend the vast majority of their day
00:05:50doing things that they don't wanna do.
00:05:52And that to me, that still might be appealing to some people.
00:05:55Or if you're not at that, you might say,
00:05:57"Look, I understand you say that,
00:05:58"but let me experience it for myself.
00:06:00"Let me try to do that."
00:06:01That's always the appeal, so I get that.
00:06:03But of the very wealthy people I've met,
00:06:06some of them have truly amazing lives.
00:06:09And I wouldn't say jealous,
00:06:10but I look at them and be like, "I want to be you."
00:06:14I think there's a greater number, though,
00:06:15that if you get to know them, you're like,
00:06:17"Wow, that's not what I thought it would be."
00:06:20- Well, a lot of people have to do things
00:06:22that they don't want to do.
00:06:23And many people who work super hard, two jobs,
00:06:27got the kids, all the rest of the stuff,
00:06:28would say, "Well, you know, good.
00:06:30"They should do, I have to work hard, and so should they."
00:06:34You go, "Yeah, but why do you think
00:06:36"they make themselves wealthy?
00:06:37"What would you do if I was wealthy?
00:06:39"I wouldn't have to work the second job."
00:06:41It's like, if you are the sort of person
00:06:43who is driven to make yourself into the kind of wealth
00:06:46that they have, you can't turn off the switch.
00:06:50- You're never gonna meet a billionaire,
00:06:52except on the very few people who accidentally got rich.
00:06:56You're never gonna meet a self-made billionaire
00:06:57who has a kind of personality who could say,
00:06:59"That's enough, let me put it all in muni bonds and go home."
00:07:02It's not over there.
00:07:03The reason that they are successful
00:07:05is because they have the kind of personality
00:07:06where they cannot, 24 hours a day,
00:07:08all they can think about is their business.
00:07:10And even if I would say, "I don't want that for myself.
00:07:14"Of course, I wanna be financially successful,
00:07:16"and I enjoy the work that I do."
00:07:18I'm so grateful that those people exist.
00:07:20The vast majority of the great technology
00:07:23and great medicine that we all enjoy in the world
00:07:25came from people who were maniacally obsessed
00:07:28about their job, even if it came at the expense
00:07:30of their health, their marriage,
00:07:32their relationship with their kids.
00:07:34They created something amazing,
00:07:35and that's why they got successful.
00:07:36- Human perpetual motion machines.
00:07:38They're just churning, sucking in problems
00:07:41and spitting out solutions.
00:07:43- Yeah, I think we should be almost the most grateful
00:07:45for people in society who created amazing technology
00:07:49and amazing things at the expense of their own happiness
00:07:52that we all get to benefit from now.
00:07:53- Yeah, I mean, it should be a cautionary tale,
00:07:55but from the outside, everybody looks at it
00:07:57and thinks some version of that might be true for them,
00:08:01but it won't be true for me.
00:08:02Watch me dance through the minefield
00:08:06that has been laid by art and literature and movies
00:08:11and songs and stories from my grandparents
00:08:14and the most famous investors from history.
00:08:16Watch me dance through that minefield
00:08:19and not kick any of the trip wires.
00:08:21- David Senra has profiled 400
00:08:23of the most successful entrepreneurs.
00:08:25He's done such a good job doing it.
00:08:27And he says of the 400 entrepreneurs he's profiled,
00:08:31there's two whose lives that he thinks
00:08:33that he would actually want to live.
00:08:36- Who are they?
00:08:37- One is Ed Thorp, who was a card counter in Vegas
00:08:41and then a hedge fund manager
00:08:42and had just an amazing personal life on the side.
00:08:45Just amazing family, incredible health.
00:08:48I think he's still around.
00:08:48I think Ed Thorp is 90 years old and genuinely looks 55.
00:08:53Incredible life.
00:08:54But of the other 399 people that he's profiled,
00:08:58it's that person created something amazing,
00:09:01built an incredible thing, an amazing amount of wealth,
00:09:03technology that we all benefit from
00:09:04and we should worship that person or admire that person.
00:09:07And I would never want to be them.
00:09:09- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:10And evade them as much as you can, at least in a role model.
00:09:13You got this great line, money serves you best
00:09:15when it stops being the thing you think about.
00:09:18- Yeah, I think a lot,
00:09:19the vast majority of successful entrepreneurs,
00:09:21with the exception of maybe hedge fund managers,
00:09:24were not chasing the money.
00:09:25They were absolutely fascinated with the problem
00:09:27that they were trying to solve,
00:09:28but they weren't doing it just to get rich.
00:09:30The money came, it eventually came.
00:09:32If you solve enough problems in a way
00:09:34that's helpful for people, it'll eventually come to you.
00:09:36But I think people, entrepreneurs who set out
00:09:39the goal is to become rich very seldomly do.
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