THEY’RE BRAINWASHING YOU! (& other secrets that made you click) - Etymology Nerd

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CChris Williamson
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00:00:006/7 was voted word of the year in 2025 from dictionary.com that cheating not
00:00:06even a word don't mean anything well you have to understand that whenever a
00:00:10dictionary chooses their word of the year that's a marketing ploy by big dictionary
00:00:13to sell more dictionaries yes 6/7 of course is this reference where if you say
00:00:24it you can go viral that's the idea behind 6/7 that's the whole joke that
00:00:27this is a possibility of getting clipped that you can cash in on the virality of
00:00:32it for your own game and dictionary.com played that game but every single person
00:00:36who did it also cashed in on that there was a Connecticut House Representative
00:00:39Bill Buckbee who said 6/7 on the Connecticut state floor and all these
00:00:44people are doing the exact same thing as Taylin Kinney who was the basketball
00:00:48player who started the trend and all the gen alpha kids were cashing in on it like
00:00:52the 6/7 kid all of it was a ploy for virality and it is a realization that
00:00:57clip farming is the future of distribution online. Wow okay but it's a
00:01:02word that doesn't mean anything and is specifically designed to be vacuous and
00:01:08to incite the question what does that mean is that is that unique? I don't
00:01:14believe that it doesn't mean anything right I believe even when something is
00:01:16absurd absurdity is a meaning and it's absurd for a reason it's absurd because
00:01:20it's sort of critiquing the general information ecosystem it's absurd that
00:01:23this would emerge as a word but that is the meaning the absurdity of the word is
00:01:28its own definition. Okay so it's a story about it's a it's a meta word. Yeah
00:01:32exactly yeah it's all it's a knowing wink by uttering 6/7 you're playing into the
00:01:36panopticon. Rage bait was Oxford's 2025 word of the year. Right they're also
00:01:42they're rage baiting with that they're hoping that it sparks controversy now
00:01:45when people are commenting about the word rage bait being chosen as the word of the
00:01:48year that drives the word further on Twitter or whatever X excuse me and and
00:01:53as a result more people know about Oxford dictionary so you got to remember
00:01:56this is big dictionary at work. And slop was another one as well so a word
00:02:01describing a word that is sloppy describing something that is sloppy
00:02:05being used for people to complain about the fact that look at the state of
00:02:09language today it's all why it's slop actually. Yeah I like to combat that idea
00:02:15that language is slop or brain rot there's nothing inherently in a word
00:02:18that's good or bad it's a tool that you can use but I think we cast our negative
00:02:22associations of social media onto the language and yeah of course a lot of the
00:02:26videos we see are slop but that doesn't mean the words themselves are bad for
00:02:30your brain. Do you think is tick-tock becoming the most powerful linguistic
00:02:36engine on earth at the moment is that what's shaping language more than
00:02:38anything else? Absolutely there was a study by know your meme in 2022 that
00:02:43found where words come from over time by percentage of platforms and it started
00:02:48out mostly on 4chan and reddit and Twitter and now it's mostly tick-tock and
00:02:52Twitter and again sorry X and you see it's still Twitter I know it's still
00:03:00Twitter I'm holding on to it yeah yeah no but a lot of stuff is happening in
00:03:05tick-tock there's linguistic innovation there's a kind of everything comes from
00:03:08the user interface there's a feeling of a conversation happening there users come
00:03:12there for the conversation to chip in to be part of this effervescent thing that's
00:03:16going on and in that language is created along with this we have all these echo
00:03:19chambers and algorithmic trends being perpetuated that push modern slang cycles
00:03:24faster than ever before. Is there such a thing as a Twitter dialect versus a
00:03:31LinkedIn dialect versus a reddit or a livestream dialect are these almost
00:03:37individual variants on language in each of these different cohorts? Absolutely
00:03:43it's the same way when you're in your grandmother's house versus when you're in
00:03:46a frat house you have a different expectation of how to speak you're not
00:03:49gonna speak to your grandmother the way you would to a frat brother there's like
00:03:51a normal way of communicating so a platform functions kind of like a house
00:03:55it is a place where you go to use a certain type of language so on LinkedIn
00:03:59you're gonna use this more professional language on Twitter you're going to
00:04:02engage in more linguistic play where you're you'll have all these words like
00:04:05jester gooning or whatever emerge. On TikTok there might be more fandom
00:04:10language or something but also I don't want to speak broadly about individual
00:04:13platforms even within these platforms there are micro dialects going on there's
00:04:17kpop groups and Swifty groups and they all speak kind of their own language.
00:04:21What did you make of the fallout? I think one of the most viral instances of
00:04:27linguistic exposure was that mid jester maxing at the club when the
00:04:35phoids come up it is it better to be mugging with the bros then what did you
00:04:38make of that fallout? Yeah I think it's kind of doing the same thing as 6/7 where
00:04:42there's a meaning beyond what the literal meaning technically is it's kind of a
00:04:47knowing wink again to the algorithm that by saying these words you can go viral
00:04:51you can cash in on clavicular's fame he is the human 6/7. If you talk about it
00:04:59you get to go viral that's that's kind of the thing but in doing so you can also
00:05:02push the trend further and while 6/7 was innocuous maybe clavicular is more
00:05:06harmful but that that is kind of the name of the game of virality that all these
00:05:09things are just keywords maxing, gooning, whatever and you can just say that and
00:05:13you can go viral because the keywords are what pushes things through the algorithm
00:05:17and they're what people resonate with on the personal level when they're scrolling.
00:05:19It also tells you something about the person using them it's an identifier of
00:05:25in-group belonging. 100% language is a tool of identity and when you use a word
00:05:32you are signaling that you're part of this cohort. Hmm what are the most
00:05:37defining characteristics of influencers speaking online for creators? How do you
00:05:43think about the constituent components of that? Yeah I've spent a lot of time
00:05:47working on the influencer accent I used to consult on a court case where one
00:05:51influencer was suing another influencer for stealing her vibe and part of that
00:05:53was the accent. Hang on, pause, what? It was here in Austin actually
00:06:01but there was one is called the sad beige lawsuit that there was this
00:06:06minimalist influencer kind of wore a lot of brown clothing and there was another
00:06:10minimalist influencer also in Austin who wore a lot of brown clothing and they
00:06:13kind of spoke the same and so one of them sued the other for for stealing their IP
00:06:17but you can't... Which included the accent. Exactly so I was brought on as a consultant in
00:06:22that case and the takeaway is that neither of them were really original and
00:06:27that they pay homage to an older tradition of influencers talking about this. It's a long
00:06:31and illustrious history of influencers speaking in this way. Absolutely I mean I think the
00:06:35modern like the "hey guys welcome to my podcast" that kind of like that's a
00:06:38lifestyle influencer accent that traces all the way back to like Kim K and the
00:06:43Paris Hilton and early beauty youtubers and then that kind of filtered into
00:06:47TikTok and that same voice with the up talk and the vocal fry is preserved
00:06:51because there's this thing called the linguistic founder effect where you kind
00:06:55of follow in the footsteps of people who came before you linguistically and that's
00:06:58why also platforms do have different commenting cultures and different
00:07:02linguistic cultures and that's only one type of influencer accent. Pause on
00:07:06that one. What what are they trying to achieve with the lifestyle influencer
00:07:10accent? What are the important parts and what's the outcome they're trying to get
00:07:13toward? Yeah great question there's a few things going on. One of it is just social
00:07:16signaling it's saying I'm part of your group because that's what all of language
00:07:19does so there is a identity marker of what it's like to be an influencer and so
00:07:25you're performing this idea of an influencer also performing relatability
00:07:28to the young woman who are watching you. At the same time the action is optimized
00:07:32for the algorithm. There's an element of retention which is how long you watch the
00:07:35video and when you drag out words it kind of works better for captivating your
00:07:40audience. Dead silence is very bad on the algorithm so if you have a live stream or
00:07:46something you want to drag out your final syllable so actually that up talk where
00:07:49you kind of lengthen your final vowel is very good for online hooking. No way so if
00:07:53you don't have your next sentence queued up you can have a holding pattern which
00:07:57is the end of the last word so that you know what you're gonna say at the end and
00:08:01then after that you can work out what's coming next? That's exactly it in
00:08:04linguistics. Holy fuck. It's called floor holding it's an actual like strategy that
00:08:09people use before you know social media if you were on a stage if you're on a
00:08:13debate you want to keep grabbing people's attention so use things like filler words
00:08:17actually um is a great example of a floor holding tactic where you are trying to
00:08:22get people to keep listening to you even though you don't have something
00:08:24immediately to say. Alex O'Connor taught me this great one about Christopher
00:08:27Hitchens that if he was in the middle of a debate and he needed to take a sip of
00:08:31water or have a thought he would get halfway through the sentence and then
00:08:37would continue from there and I thought that's so fucking cool as opposed to
00:08:40pausing at the end and then thinking about what he was gonna say by taking or
00:08:45even as you so you might say why is that the case well really what we need to
00:08:53consider is oh I'm waiting so the use of silence. We want to know what comes next. Bingo. Yeah
00:08:59and same with the influencers it's like if if there's an up talk there's an
00:09:02implied I'm not done speaking and that's kind of the meta signal that there's
00:09:07something more to come it sounds like something's unfinished when there's up
00:09:10talk and when there's down talk you'll never hear down like I'm done like that's
00:09:14like a volume oh it's a handoff there you go yeah yeah yeah so you will not
00:09:18hear that online at all because it's it's a signal to scroll away I've trained
00:09:24myself I just said signal to scroll away I like up talk because that's like I've
00:09:28sort of trained myself into speaking I call an educational influencer action
00:09:32which is different than that lifestyle influencer okay give me the educational
00:09:34influence racks on the most interesting thing about that is but you know and I
00:09:37kind of stress more words to keep you watching my videos and I'll talk a little
00:09:41faster and I clearly talk quickly in real life but I think I there's a difference
00:09:45between a conversational style and then when I'm purely reciting a scripted
00:09:48video to hook you maximally for your attention mmm okay so you're stressing
00:09:53individual words speaking a bit more quickly that's interesting that the
00:09:57valley girl vocal fry lifestyle influencer what I get the sense of as
00:10:03someone who isn't exactly a connoisseur of that content is a softness sort of
00:10:10welcomingness almost a familiarity an attempt to sort of show hey guys welcome
00:10:15back to my channel it's almost welcoming you through the door whereas it's much
00:10:19sharper when you're thinking about the educational influencer but given that one
00:10:23is kind of slow although there's no brakes but it's certainly not da da da da
00:10:27da da da da da da da da da it's much more cozy and the other is significantly more
00:10:32aggressive in terms of its pacing absolutely well it's again the question
00:10:36of what are you trying to do on the meta level the lifestyle influencer wants you
00:10:39to feel like you're parasocially watching this video an educational
00:10:43influencer wants you to feel like they're a trusted source of authority and it's
00:10:47that level of communication that's happening there I don't actually want you
00:10:51to relate to me 100% I want you to think of me as a teacher if I'm talking to you
00:10:54so if you're speaking more quickly with authority in a almost staccato manner
00:11:00it's good as brevity in the words is yeah I think the consonants are always being
00:11:05pronounced pretty pretty accurately to create shape and color this is an
00:11:08interesting one have you looked much addiction at the the way that the mouth
00:11:12the functionality of the mouth the physiology of the mouth works 100% it's a
00:11:16big part of linguistics yeah yeah unreal so I just really loved the first time I
00:11:20ever worked with a speech coach and he said his description to me was vowels
00:11:24give words color and consonants give them structure and one of the problems being
00:11:29from the northeast of the UK we have a glottal stop typically so people say
00:11:32butter butter there's two T's in butter and they're not saying either of them and
00:11:36neither was I when I was younger by removing or by losing those consonants
00:11:42you sort of fall through words they don't have the same kind of structure clarity
00:11:47clippiness and bringing those back in helps to give it a little bit more form
00:11:53but what you're describing here that you've modified your speaking style for
00:11:57what will perform better online is kind of exactly this greater homogenization
00:12:01effect that's happening there's nothing less valid about a North England dialect
00:12:04than the received pronunciation or the transatlantic accent or any of these
00:12:07things we just bullshit into thinking that some of these are like fancier than
00:12:10other accents but it's all in our heads and yet there's still this pressure to
00:12:15perform to use a more standard pronunciation of English for my book I
00:12:20interviewed a lot of Indian creators who feel like they can't speak in Indian
00:12:24accents because that's kind of maligned upon that seems less status yeah and they
00:12:28have to kind of code switch into more British sounding or American sounding
00:12:32accents well in my defense or at least in my mother's defense she was sort of
00:12:38slapping me on the wrist and beating it out of me as a child so I didn't make it
00:12:41to adulthood without saying butter that's because of an ingrained shame there
00:12:45really is nothing inherently wrong with you speaking in a northern I'm gonna go
00:12:48back to it you fucking cannot stop me from saying but as much as I want the
00:12:54cost is you might go less viral because the viewer has an expectation that I want
00:12:58you to be speaking in the way I expect you to speak also there is a degree of
00:13:01legibility or illegibility but if you get a strong Geordie accent from the
00:13:07Northeast where I'm from or a strong scouse accent from Liverpool it is as
00:13:11close to a different language whilst being the same like it's like one step
00:13:16away from speciation in terms of language I think language can be correctly
00:13:21described as following a very similar path to evolution and that there are
00:13:25bottleneck events and speciation events and the algorithm for example I think is
00:13:29one such bottleneck that it compresses our language and you have to be speaking
00:13:33in these widely recognizable accents but then it speciates and creates new
00:13:36environments and so on these different platforms and in the different fandom
00:13:41communities on the platforms you will have new outgrowths of language that have
00:13:45first passed through this filter event what else so we've had cozy lifestyle
00:13:50lady we've had educational influencer man there's Mr. Beast in the room yeah very
00:13:59good what's happening with Mr. Beast accent if you look at his video and if
00:14:03you look at how he actually speaks in interviews they're completely different
00:14:06he is very deliberately switching his accent to grab your attention as much as
00:14:11possible he screams in it I just bought a private island getting away a million
00:14:14dollars like he's very like ostentatious with it he's screaming at you every
00:14:17sentence because that works for his 14 year old viewers attention spans he's
00:14:22speaking to a different audience than somebody trying to educate in a different
00:14:26audience than somebody trying to appear relatable because he's clearly being
00:14:30ostentatious so it's reflected in his vocal style like he sounds like he's
00:14:33about to give away a million dollars even as he does it you know so it's excitement
00:14:36loudness what else shock and awe really you just you wanted the viewer to remain
00:14:44so dumbfounded watching the video that they don't even think to scroll away it's
00:14:48like a magician you just want to keep the attention going I saw a live streamer in
00:14:52the wild for the first time ever a couple of months ago and obviously I've seen
00:14:56live streams online I've seen some IRL stuff not tons but seeing an IRL streamer
00:15:02from side camera or behind camera was a real experience it was at the Beast Games
00:15:082 premiere in Hollywood and what I found fascinating was because the live stream
00:15:13essentially never ends until it finally does there is this permanent edging of
00:15:18the audience that there will be a payoff but not yet and there will be a payoff
00:15:21but not yet at least with Beast it's like we're gonna go to the most expensive gym
00:15:26in the world but first I'm gonna show you the cheapest and now I'm gonna show you
00:15:29one a bit more expensive and now I'm gonna and then finally you do it and
00:15:32there's a payoff and then you're done and the videos finished yeah different medium
00:15:34because it's bounded by a specific time so you know the Beast video is 14 minutes
00:15:38long but the live stream is lasting however long it's kind of definitely
00:15:41live performers if you go to like a public gathering and there's those
00:15:44people doing backflips in a crowd like for money or whatever they won't do the
00:15:48backflips immediately because nobody like people leave immediately dance around for
00:15:51a dance around they'll do a round of collection of the money they'll dance
00:15:54around some more they'll do another round of collector I promise guys we're gonna
00:15:57get to the backflips and you keep watching cuz they're edging you it's
00:15:59what's yeah exactly what's happening and if you look at like tick-tock live
00:16:01streams I keep getting click baited by this like video of this guy trying to
00:16:05peel an egg and he gets the last part of the egg and he's like he keeps like
00:16:08edging us like I'm gonna take but I think there's something of an important
00:16:16parallel between that visual way that you get click baited and the auditory and
00:16:19linguistic way that happens as well okay how so well live streaming I think there
00:16:25is a dissolution between this online presentation and the offline presentation
00:16:29I think it's particularly dangerous because it does play into this attention
00:16:34mechanism but in real life where you're exploiting real people for it linguistically
00:16:38speaking that does mean you're gonna keep doing the up talks you're going to speak
00:16:43in attention-grabbing manners all that is yeah and you do kind of delay
00:16:48gratification when I do a video and I script it out I kind of don't immediately
00:16:53say the resolution of the question I posed at the start and you'll see this a
00:16:57lot in YouTube videos mm-hmm the payoffs held until the end yeah what other
00:17:02subcultures online do you think a particularly interesting linguistically
00:17:06oh wow I mean I've spent a lot of time studying the language of the manosphere
00:17:09I think it's particularly interesting because half of Gen Z slang is either
00:17:13african-american English or it's from 4chan and you do have a lot of those
00:17:17in cell words trickling in I definitely 4chan was a linguistic incubator for
00:17:22decades and well a decade and all these new words came came out of it that are
00:17:29still slowly diffusing into more mainstream culture like maxing and pilled
00:17:32and you know gooning what made 4chan such a useful incubator for language there's
00:17:40the anonymity on the platform where users need to demonstrate a shared proficiency
00:17:44in slang to show that they're not a normie and there's this huge selection
00:17:47pressure to show that you're one of the 4chan users and because it's such a
00:17:51constrained platform you can't do video you can't do voice you're not doing face
00:17:56you don't know the identity of someone you need to very quickly through your
00:18:00language identify I am one of you not one of them yeah you can do like images
00:18:03and things which that's how we get a lot of memes also come from there but
00:18:08linguistically yeah there's no one's posting a selfie the right to say this is
00:18:11me I am one of us in the sense that language is identity yeah a hundred
00:18:15percent these people in fortune are also trying to build a shared identity for
00:18:18themselves self-branding belonging and it's cool to come up with the new joke
00:18:21and language spreads when it's funny it does we like saying things that are
00:18:25funny that's reasonable it's funny to say I'm podcast maxing mm-hmm yeah that's
00:18:28true well I am I have been for eight years now I am podcast maxing what about
00:18:33newscasters how can they speak so strangely they're doing the exact same
00:18:37thing this just in and they speak in this authoritative kind of manner it's doing
00:18:42the exact same thing as the educational influencer really it's it's a way of
00:18:44grabbing attention that's conditioned a certain medium and there's a broadcaster
00:18:48voice just as there's an influencer voice there's a they used to train like
00:18:54American broadcasters to use this mid atlanta not yeah mid midwestern u.s.
00:18:59accent that was kind of the homogenous u.s. accent and that was also a way of
00:19:04presenting in an accepted this is how a TV broadcaster is supposed to speak kind
00:19:09of way and at home they might still use like a local accent you can speak in a
00:19:12different way it's interesting that that becomes enforced over time just through
00:19:16consensus and expectation that there's some first mover somewhere maybe one
00:19:20person's particularly effective there's a legendary newscaster and this guy speaks
00:19:24in a way and then the generation around him shaped because that seems to be a
00:19:29successful approach therefore you see this online someone has a new thumbnail
00:19:32style and now everybody's doing thumbnails like that or somebody does a
00:19:35new video style and everyone's doing videos like that it's the same thing but
00:19:38with the accent for newscasters and then that becomes not only something
00:19:43effective for his colleagues at the time but it's now shaping the entire future
00:19:48and that's the expectation well that's how newscasters speak and if you would
00:19:52come in and you'd speak in a different manner that would be very different right
00:19:55that's what I was saying about the founder effect and you kind of follow in
00:19:58the footsteps of people before you for example for my educational influencer
00:20:01accent probably it's highly influenced by people like Hank Green or something
00:20:05Vsauce there's like they were the early educational influencers and they're
00:20:08probably copying people like Bill Nye or something so it always trickles back to
00:20:11something earlier you know you exist in the context yeah yeah this episode is
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00:21:13commentators because they're doing something similar but a little bit
00:21:16distinct and different yeah if news broadcasters are the equivalent of
00:21:21educational influencers then sports commentators are kind of closer to mr.
00:21:25beast they want to keep you excited go you know like it's very exciting they
00:21:29want to keep you excited about watching the game and that's reasonable yeah yeah
00:21:31but speaking with a lot of clarity again super expressive there's not much oh I
00:21:37don't see very many filler words with those people which I guess is because
00:21:41it's trained out of them I have to imagine that over time if you're looking
00:21:44to maximize relatability authenticity a felt sense of belonging what you're
00:21:49actually going to do is not sterilize your use of language too much to make it
00:21:54too precise that that then feels contrived as opposed to something that's
00:21:58naturalistic you want to hit a fine line I mean think about like phone calls in
00:22:01movies they famously never say goodbye they just finish saying something and
00:22:05they hang up because in real life we do the whole like all right I'll see you
00:22:09later goodbye but in a movie that doesn't really work so you do actually
00:22:12make it more concise no way because it would just waste screen time we don't
00:22:16need to hear you exactly okay okay well you have a good yep it's fine yeah no
00:22:21worry yeah I'll catch you later but goodbye bring five seconds that you
00:22:25didn't need in the movie so it's performing the idea of a phone call while
00:22:28not actually doing phone call as we actually do it I never thought about
00:22:32that holy shit but sterilizing language too much obviously put secret you did a
00:22:38great TED talk I did a TEDx talk five six years ago or something now and one of
00:22:45the things that I realized as I was getting ready for that and doing the
00:22:48preparation was I actually need to detrain my knowledge of my own talk in a
00:22:54way so that it doesn't sound too contrived so it doesn't sound too
00:22:58performative there's that idea of what a TED talk sounds like I mean there's a
00:23:01great video on YouTube of like guy just doing TED talk by saying things that
00:23:07don't mean anything but he's saying in the cadence of a TED talk that's funny
00:23:10um definitely recommend looking that up but yeah there's there's you can you know
00:23:14what I mean when I say there's a cadence of what a TED talk sounds like mm-hmm I
00:23:17think it's kind of dead I think it's in the past and TED talks are also they've
00:23:23lost a lot of their prestige of what it was and the way people should be doing
00:23:27TED talks now is just clip farming which is the future the way that people should
00:23:32be doing TED talks now it's just clip farm so if you get booked for a TED talk
00:23:35you should just try and get clip formed I think so how would you do that what
00:23:38actually matters like I don't know the audience of TED talk is I guess
00:23:43aspirational speakers themselves or like it's and if you have a real message to
00:23:48say it's probably not the audience that's there it's probably better if you
00:23:53transmit it on the internet because you could reach that audience hmm and that's
00:23:57the idea behind six seven and behind jester maxing and all that stuff is that
00:24:02distribution matters more than the content itself that you're just saying
00:24:06the thing that goes a viral and if we're existing in a age of social media
00:24:10virality the TED talk is kind of a dead format existing as this quasi online talk
00:24:16which was fantastic in the early days of YouTube when there wasn't enough content
00:24:19going on yeah but now the media's ecosystem is oversaturated and the TED
00:24:23talks have way fewer views than they used to because they don't do the same
00:24:27function that they did in the early internet well especially because one
00:24:31video can get you can write a book and then each sentence can be sold
00:24:35individually and then even those sentences can be reproduced and
00:24:38reproduced and reproduced and individual productions of those can be reshared so
00:24:42yeah you're actually looking for as much distribution as possible when what was it
00:24:47called the HH bomb thing that happened with the guys in the Miami Club where
00:24:53they played that Kanye song and oh yeah insane bar that was every single second
00:24:59of that video was broken down and shared and reshared and published and
00:25:02republished and commented on and that's a single book just being sold word by word
00:25:07essentially and what that points is that there is a dangerous misalignment between
00:25:11human preferences like I can imagine that most of us don't think that song is good
00:25:16for humanity and then what goes viral online because online there are certain
00:25:20emotions that are rewarded more than others there's anger fear awe humor
00:25:25things that trigger a state of mental arousal where your brain is more
00:25:28activated now things that don't do that is like contentment contentment makes you
00:25:32feel warm and fuzzy inside but it doesn't trigger your brain to click a like
00:25:34button the like button of course is more of a metric of how willing you are to
00:25:38click this button than it is whether you like something and you're more willing to
00:25:41click a button if your brain is activated and your brain is not activated when you
00:25:44feel warm and fuzzy which means warm and fuzzy ideas are not going to spread
00:25:47online the things that are gonna spread or rage bait and clickbait that's so
00:25:50fascinating so if you're a meditation teacher by design because you make people
00:25:56feel good and you get them out of that brain mode you're going to get less
00:26:00engagement just means that you're gonna go less viral which means there's lots of
00:26:03an incentive for you to keep doing your content look at the wellness space the
00:26:06same way movie phone calls perform what it's like to be a phone call wellness
00:26:10influencers are performing the idea of wellness but it's this hyper aestheticize
00:26:14sanitize clean girl thing where you're on a yoga mat doing Pilates or whatever but
00:26:18that doesn't you like you're presenting this hyper wellness idea that's not true
00:26:23wellness and if you're actually feeling warm and fuzzy you don't need to prove
00:26:26that to other people you don't need to play like you're feeling good yeah you're
00:26:31not doing yoga in the living room with your floor-to-ceiling windows and you're
00:26:34waving sage everywhere you're sat on the couch relax sometimes it's just watching
00:26:39a movie is you know sitting on the couch but not sufficiently visually interesting
00:26:42so it wouldn't be compelling for people what about the gay male accent what's
00:26:46going on there yeah a hundred percent there's a lot of research on well
00:26:50emerging research on lesbian action as well but gay accent that there is a
00:26:53certain way of talking that of course will differ between different communities
00:26:57and it's not a monolith but you know you can recognize when somebody talks in a
00:27:02gay accent there there's a few sociological things going on I think it's
00:27:07incorrect to say that they talk more like woman but they adopt many strategies that
00:27:12are similar to how women have talked they raise certain vowels and they will
00:27:18yeah and it's it's all kind of the same identity thing it was historically a way
00:27:25like the gay slang words which is a lot of our Gen Z slang words also come from
00:27:29gay ballroom speech well like oh like slay serve Queen cooked a cooked is gay
00:27:37yeah I'm pretty sure that come well there's cooking and cooked which come
00:27:41from different sources cooking a sports lane yeah yeah yeah yeah playing well
00:27:45yeah yeah unreal so I wonder if there's stuff that even we wouldn't notice that
00:27:53there's little identifiers in the gay community like top speak in one way and
00:27:58bottom speak in another oh I guess guy there's guys that present in much more
00:28:03masculine manner and there's guys that present in a much more feminine manner
00:28:05interesting conversation I had over dinner probably best to have it over
00:28:09dinner I'm looking at what it is the the presentation that most straight men
00:28:16notice in gay men and what they notice is what you said which is are you coding
00:28:21as female not as female yeah but in a manner that somebody who isn't a part of
00:28:25that culture would identify as feminine I'm gonna sound like a broken clock but
00:28:29everything is performing the idea of something and so gay men perform the idea
00:28:32of being gay which is fine straight men perform the idea of being straight and
00:28:34it's also a way to signal to other people like in historically gay men had to be
00:28:40closeted and they needed ways of signaling to other gay men that hey I'm
00:28:44chill and I we should hang out you know and that's sort of linguistically there
00:28:50are little cues you can drop that hint at I'm a gay man right what like well using
00:28:56certain slang words like I'm thinking about like I don't know cottaging in
00:29:01Britain but when homosexuality was illegal there's like certain ways of
00:29:05tapping your foot or Polari was a whole gay can't like a kind of a micro language
00:29:10created in England that was used specifically by gay people as a way of
00:29:14evading detection by police because police didn't know what was going on and
00:29:16it was a way of signaling a shared identity for themselves and we see sort
00:29:19of gay micro languages emerge everywhere in the Philippines there's one called
00:29:23Sward speak there's one in South Africa every community because gay people have
00:29:29been historically kind of marginalized they need ways to come up with subversion
00:29:33of the traditional norms of language did you know what capoeira is it sounds
00:29:38British to Brazilian martial arts Brazilian so um capoeira was a martial
00:29:44art developed in Brazil when they were under a military rule and they weren't
00:29:50allowed to practice fighting because they didn't want there to be a military force
00:29:53that could rise up so this thing if you watch a video of it looks very
00:29:57distinctive very dancing kind of looks like that I mean it very quickly gets
00:30:01into a fighting are but um that makes me think about gay guys in Britain before it
00:30:07was legal having to have a secret language on a Brazilian martial art
00:30:12developed by Africans taken to the country as slaves that was it so they
00:30:15they weren't allowed to practice fighting and they've got music that goes with it
00:30:18as well which would be a way to hide what was going on it's just a part we don't
00:30:22need to worry about that it's just a party and yeah the well yeah that's
00:30:26amazing yeah well if we accept that language is a tool of identity identity
00:30:32is tied to power who's in control as part of your identity and so we see the
00:30:37English language which is defined by these white British people in the 1700s or
00:30:42whatever and we're still loving the norms yeah but it doesn't represent all the
00:30:46speakers of English and so different speakers try to come up with different
00:30:49ways to subvert that structure that's imposed upon them and so a lot of that
00:30:53has been african-american english speakers who now have come up with a lot
00:30:57of slang words that later bled into mainstream Gen Z slang or specifically
00:31:02gay people because of these a restraint white men creating language and so it's a
00:31:06way of subverting of establishing their own norms of language King and Queen for
00:31:11example like the slang word what's up King you know like that or what's up
00:31:15Queen that that comes from ballroom slang in New York City in the 1980s which is
00:31:19this like black gay Latino space black gay Latino Latino gay you know gay people
00:31:25in New York City and it was a way of elevating people in that community I see
00:31:31you on the status of royalty because you we are not seen as that by society and
00:31:36that even goes back even further to the history kind of like black people in the
00:31:40United States a lot of slang goes from black people to gay people and then to
00:31:45like the straight white girlfriends of gay men and then to the mainstream
00:31:48English right okay so there's a pipeline a four-person human centipede with normies
00:31:54at the end and black people at the front that's pretty much it fantastic or
00:31:57fortune is the other end fortune black people be people cool people normies
00:32:03language spreads when it's funny or cool and it's cool when black people use it
00:32:06and it's funny when fortune people use it it can be considered funny unfortunately
00:32:10when black people say things as well which is a whole genre of hood irony
00:32:13memes like cap like is an example or huz is a recent slang what's that it's like
00:32:21a slang word for hose but it comes from like a parody of african-american
00:32:25english or got that was that was also kind of making fun of gas yeah yeah but
00:32:30it comes from the word goddamn pronounced in an exaggerated african-american
00:32:34accent of course when I say that there's many different african-american accents
00:32:39in the same way there's many different gay accents and many different internet
00:32:41accents and I really hate to speak of language as a monolith I'm not even sure
00:32:44language exists as like a thing it's just like we all speak separately kind of
00:32:48close to people around us and there's like a gradient of what language is
00:32:52rather than a monolithic thing the monolithic thing is this institutional
00:32:55assumption that there is a dictionary that can capture a snapshot of what
00:32:58language is so every person has their own language in yes it's called idiot
00:33:03idiolect from the Greek word idios meaning one's own and we all speak in
00:33:06completely unique way conditioned by our background our upbringing our education
00:33:10the people we hung out with the words that resonated with us based on just our
00:33:14history of interacting with language I find that really compelling that you
00:33:18have a linguistic footprint unlike anybody else that's how they caught the
00:33:21Unabomber yes his brother found out that he said eat your cake and have it too as
00:33:27opposed to have your cake and eat it too because the one that he used actually
00:33:30makes more sense but was completely unique exactly and so we all have like
00:33:34these little quirks whether you think you do or not they're there what about
00:33:38lesbian accents this is harder to identify and there are studies showing
00:33:43that speakers can identify lesbian accent but there are very mixed results on what
00:33:48defines one there is again indication that they speak a little closer to the
00:33:54idea of a masculine language and yet at the same time it would be reductive to
00:33:57say that so there is certain stuff going on with perhaps lowered vowels and maybe
00:34:04a deeper voice but again I would be generalizing to say that we know for sure
00:34:07there definitely is something going on but the studies aren't there to fully
00:34:11explain it it would make sense if you were to think about much of gay fashion
00:34:16compared with straight fashion for men you would say oh there's a bit more flare
00:34:21there's maybe a bit more color the there's more beautification there's more
00:34:26accessories okay that seems to code somewhat feminine and if you were to look
00:34:30at gay women compared with straight women say well there's more plaid and jeans
00:34:37and sort of male coated clothes a little bit more loose-fitting sometimes that
00:34:43would tend to code a bit more male you okay well it would make sense that if
00:34:47you're presenting outwardly that way that maybe your language would match that but
00:34:51it would also be unique and distinct because gay men aren't trying to be
00:34:54women that would be very bad for the gay men they're trying to attract right and
00:34:58gay women aren't trying to be men because they wouldn't attract anything that is
00:35:02the idea of gay man again which is maybe close closer to woman then straight man
00:35:06performing the idea of being a gay man and all we're doing all the time is
00:35:10performing larping we're just pretending to be on a podcast right now but in doing
00:35:13so we're actually are you know can you I need you to dice it can you blow that
00:35:16apart for me it's really cool I'm not entirely sure what you mean um I think
00:35:22people should all read this guy Irving Goffman he's a sociologist from the
00:35:251960s and he comes up with this great book the presentation of self and
00:35:29everyday life and he describes how we all adopt faces or roles in society there's a
00:35:33front-facing role and a back-facing like so when you're on stage or off stage and
00:35:37when you're on stage right now we're presenting to the public we are on stage
00:35:41we're presenting as ourselves but as soon as we get off the podcast we might speak
00:35:44more casually because there's a different way of communicating when you know
00:35:48there's this invisible audience present in the same way when you're literally on
00:35:53a stage or you're literally backstage that you'll do the same thing but if
00:35:56you're talking in front of your parents versus you're talking with your friends
00:35:59you'll adopt different registers and it's that kind of the same thing we were
00:36:02describing with different rooms and different platforms and you have an idea
00:36:07of what your environment is and you will mold yourself into the role you see that
00:36:11environment as bringing to you and so we do everything through this idea of a role
00:36:16and all of what we do is a performance to be a man is kind of a performance like we
00:36:20need to keep replicating this idea of manhood we both like have beards we both
00:36:27dress and talk a certain way and in doing so we're kind of adopting symbols
00:36:32of masculinity and clavicular is doing a great job of that himself I've got it I
00:36:37got a take on that which is I think it's the most caricatured traits of
00:36:41masculinity not necessarily in terms of speech you know because you might say a
00:36:49powerful precise educated or a brusque maybe even who's someone who's very curt
00:36:57with the way that they suppose strong and silent type but that's because
00:37:00masculinity is couched within 2026 what does it mean right for masculinity to be
00:37:05that way I think visually masculinity has just been going in one direction if you
00:37:09look at the tracking of Luke Skywalker star action figures over time in the 60s
00:37:15he was super skinny and then in the 90s again do me a comparison just search a
00:37:21chat GPT Luke Skywalker action figure over time comparison and yeah he just he
00:37:29goes on a very heavy course of testosterone for about six decades and
00:37:32that's really interesting and it's more and more and more and more and more Jack so I
00:37:37think what's happening is a performance of masculinity that's the best way to put
00:37:41it Luke Skywalker looks next Luke Skywalker absolutely mogs dude yeah he
00:37:46he's performing masculinity it's a male-to-male visual comparison and there
00:37:52is always an evolving definition of masculinity to like back in ancient Rome
00:37:55being masculine means you could like as long as you could have sex with other men
00:37:59as long as you weren't a bottom that would be like not masculine but that was
00:38:02true that was the definition of masculinity for a certain period in
00:38:05ancient Rome you're allowed to fuck just your you you have to fuck if you are
00:38:09Caesar was famously offended not at the accusation that he was gay but the
00:38:13accusation that he was a bottom because that's the Roman idea but it's an all
00:38:28evolving idea whether men should have long hair and short hair whether you know
00:38:32we should you know what it means to be a man is always a moving target and we're
00:38:36always performing for this target so it just proves how arbitrary it is that
00:38:40right now of course there is a current 2026 idea of a man that we're performing
00:38:46toward but that's a very different idea than back when we were wearing togas hmm
00:38:50that's 1977 1995 heavy course of testosterone did unbelievable that what
00:38:57and then they've used the stats of what it would be like to give the same
00:39:03proportions to a human on either side 37 inch shoulders in a 32 inch waist versus
00:39:0952 inch shoulders the 27 inch ways all right the last thing that looks nothing
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00:40:31what about emojis because they're kind of like language and picture I guess they
00:40:36feel like modern hieroglyphics yeah well there's a few different functions of
00:40:39emojis you can use it to substitute of word like we see this with ice protest
00:40:44people want to censor the word ice because they think the algorithm is like
00:40:48gonna hamper their video so they'll just sub it out with the ice cube emoji that's
00:40:51a substitute of emoji then you have emojis that are more paralanguage meant
00:40:55to augment your sentence so if I say something and then I comment the or I
00:40:59have a sentence and then at the end of the sentence there's like a laughing
00:41:02emoji or a sneezing emoji or a crying emoji that serves as a sort of a tone tag
00:41:07telling you what the emotional form of my sentence is and then there's a few other
00:41:12separate ways you can send them individually you could use them as
00:41:15reactions there's a lot of things going on but they absolutely are linguistic in
00:41:20the sense of they carry meaning and they communicate something from one person to
00:41:24another I saw a court case where they were trying to determine what this emoji
00:41:31meant had it have did it wasn't the farmer in Canada what was this one okay
00:41:38there's a great court case where there was a farmer who had a contract for
00:41:42grain shipments and he would occasionally like they did month by month and they
00:41:49would sign off with a yes or whatever and then one month the farmer signs off
00:41:53with an okay emoji just like thumbs up okay and the grain supplier doesn't
00:41:58deliver the grain or something like that and then the farmer sues the grain
00:42:02supplier maybe I'm getting it the other way around but the point is the court
00:42:04case was about whether the thumbs up emoji legally constituted an affirmation
00:42:09of this agreement occurring one person said this could be acknowledgement and
00:42:15the other person said this is a direct agreement and I think the court case
00:42:18ruled in favor of thumbs up being an agreement but it was kind of based on
00:42:23previous context right because previous context was a long-established history of
00:42:27emojis in court cases right well there's a few things going on yeah what was the
00:42:32one you were thinking of it there was a murder case and it was about intent it
00:42:36was about whether or not this person had intended to kill somebody or not and
00:42:41it's an interpretation of what this emoji means and it's so funny because it's a
00:42:45single thing right it's there's no intonation I guess it's couched in what
00:42:50has been said before and after but if you just take it on its own there is no
00:42:53different way to say there is no different way to spell it and it's only
00:42:56been around for 15 less than 15 years something like that probably okay so the
00:43:03definition of it hasn't had enough time to really cement itself and become
00:43:07established well that's the thing that's so fluid emoji definitions are also
00:43:11constantly changing like the crying emoji once meant literally crying and then it
00:43:14meant laughing and then it also the laughing emoji is now seen as like
00:43:19ironic by something you shouldn't use the laughing emoji right yeah that's kind of
00:43:23cringe unless you're trying to like signal boomer correct yes yeah yeah yeah
00:43:27it's the horseshoe has come all the way back around right again you can post
00:43:31ironically use it yeah okay yeah we're in the post cry laughing face world right
00:43:36yeah yeah okay what's the what's the direction of etymology it feels like
00:43:42there's sort of an entropy towards that they move in a direction are they always
00:43:46getting simpler and shorter over time is there an arrow of motion when it comes to
00:43:53word development I think language more than anything is a reflection of who we
00:43:58are as people right now the word etymology comes from Greek at to most
00:44:01meaning truth there's a truth to the word that we look at and it tells us
00:44:05something about humanity about who we are as people because again this is a tool of
00:44:08identity and so less of there being a direction and more of it just reflecting
00:44:13who we are right now what we're feeling its language is our way to categorize
00:44:18what we think is going on I'll use words to describe my reality and then I'll use
00:44:22that to communicate it to you so it's describing reality and then it's
00:44:25communicating that reality if our reality changes yeah language will change as a
00:44:29result because now we have to describe something different so we have we're
00:44:36using fewer words to describe different types of plants than we were in the
00:44:401800s because we're interacting with fewer plants that's kind of sad okay and
00:44:45what about when what's the the term for when a word gets broken down to make to
00:44:51be made shorter so goodbye as a good example God be with you and then yeah
00:44:55contracted to goodbye and then eventually you can truncate it to just by yeah yeah
00:44:59what's that called that's a abbreviation contraction there are different ways of
00:45:04doing this you can make words shorter and you can also make Portmanteau's where
00:45:08you combine different words and yeah we're making new words all the time
00:45:13jester maxing is a great evidence of that we're combining new words in new ways and
00:45:17but that sort of reflects our new reality and so if reality adjusts we will both
00:45:22come up with new words and we'll lose old ones because language is a moving living
00:45:26thing you mentioned black people gay people cool people normal people young
00:45:32people how much did they drive language forward because young people are almost
00:45:37always seen as being cool but they're also the ones that have got the least
00:45:41cemented history with regards to their linguistic use yeah exactly they're the
00:45:45ones that are the earliest to adopt new words because older people have this
00:45:49cemented idea of what language is younger people are both more flexible with that
00:45:53and they're trying to build a shared identity for themselves and I know I keep
00:45:56bringing identity into it but that's what language is it's a way of you know
00:46:00figuring out who you are and what kind of words you want to use and you don't want
00:46:04to sound like your mother you want to sound like you're your peers yeah how
00:46:07much of the changes in language is just because kids want to differentiate
00:46:11differentiate themselves that's a huge part of it most of language change I
00:46:14would say is driven by people like right now honestly middle schoolers but
00:46:17historically people between the ages of like 10 and 25 are the ones coming up
00:46:22with slang now of course there's different types of how language you have
00:46:25to adopt there's institutional words so like iPhone is a new word but it's not a
00:46:29slang word podcast a shortening of iPod plus broadcast that's sort of new but
00:46:36that cut these things come from more institutional avenues that's another
00:46:40route or mechanism of language change but for the slang which is this kind of
00:46:45lower status feeling of language that eventually can become just real language
00:46:50that comes from younger people so all the video game terms we see in bleeding into
00:46:55mainstream English NPC skill issue that kind of stuff or all the yeah the black
00:47:03people or the incel language all that's kind of the driven by young people right
00:47:09now how effective are institutions at top-down dictating language and
00:47:16linguistic use because when I think about and this might just be because I'm
00:47:20terminally online when I think about most of the language that I see yeah you're
00:47:23right with podcast but they're usually categories they're not the sort of thing
00:47:27that people are using as a important identifier of the way that they're put
00:47:32together and it doesn't really seem to be shaping culture maybe it represents
00:47:35something that shapes culture but the words itself won't so how easy is it for
00:47:41people in power to top-down dictate the way that language is used if it feels
00:47:46like a word is intentionally being forced upon you we actually often feel a
00:47:50resistance to it there's a in the movie Mean Girls Gretchen famously couldn't
00:47:54make the word fetch happen she was trying to make that yeah and that's because it
00:47:59fell forced so if you feel like someone is pushing a word on to you you might
00:48:02actually not want to adopt it there is a difference with institutional acceptance
00:48:06so if you see a word in a dictionary that's just like this is accepted as
00:48:11language even though of course there's just an idea of language but you might
00:48:15point to that now and you'll see news outlets only use words that are in the
00:48:19dictionary or books in academic publishing and all this stuff will use
00:48:23this standard idea of language which is filtered through the institutions so
00:48:28they're not forcing the word they're merely once a word has been used around
00:48:31for long enough they legitimize it hmm lots of people have got issues with the
00:48:35word like um you know what are some of the older versions of filler words
00:48:43because it can't have just been now that filler words were brought in yeah well
00:48:48there voiceman filler words and um might be the one of the most universal words
00:48:52there's across different languages that mid central vowel oh shows up in a lot of
00:48:58when people are thinking I know Spanish speakers use like a or it's it's some
00:49:04kind of vowel that's close to the center often that's used when you're how you
00:49:10just I said it that's used when you're thinking about something and that's a
00:49:14universal constant that we think about things and we need time to say things
00:49:17for it's a holding pattern yeah it's the floor yeah I think it's stigmatized
00:49:23because it's associated with not thinking through things like especially is
00:49:28associated with like the valley girls and though those women are stigmatized just
00:49:34because they're not seen as speaking standard English even though there's
00:49:36nothing inherently wrong and actually like has a lot of different applications
00:49:40there's the quotative like where you can say you can say something you can quote
00:49:46someone directly I said this or you can adopt an affect I was like this and that
00:49:53actually serves a different linguistic function that's actually a really
00:49:55beautiful thing that you can adopt a persona in the middle of speech instead
00:49:58of directly claiming to quote something like implies it doesn't have to be a
00:50:03hundred percent accurate but the self analogy yeah self simile I was like it's
00:50:07a self simile yeah yeah yeah one of the things someone brought this up I can't
00:50:14remember who was speaking to um the eta my logic on who wrote that mark Mark
00:50:19Forsythe that's the book that got me into entomology I'm no fucking way I read that
00:50:23in 2016 and I was like this shit is gas and I I just started reading more
00:50:29etymology book started a little blog for myself I don't think anybody read it but
00:50:33then I studied linguistics in college and ended up becoming a linguistics
00:50:36influencer but it started because of that but no way so I do you read elements of
00:50:39eloquence as well yeah yeah bro so marks marks great and I brought up the holding
00:50:45pattern like stuff he had this great take which is if you just roll back to your
00:50:51grandparents generation a lot of the time sentences would begin with well you know
00:50:56it's what we what we must it's this sort of there would be a almost a bloviating
00:51:02approach to it I have this guy that I bring on all the time Rory Sutherland
00:51:05he's kind of like a mad uncle and every time that he speaks there's precision and
00:51:11then there's these parentheses of noise but it's not like it's still filler to
00:51:19some degrees it's padding and it's nice it actually provides a little bit of
00:51:23breathing room because he speaks quite quickly too so having a ah I know this is
00:51:27coming in to land the same as getting off the phone okay yep yep no worries I've
00:51:33got it's that it's foreplay and post-cidal talking talk exactly no I
00:51:38think we talked about floor holding but you got to take the floor in the first
00:51:42place hmm and you were describing that you know is a great example you are
00:51:45signaling that you're taking the conversational turn there's an influencer
00:51:50spaces people start with videos with no because no because why did this happen
00:51:53and it's just like a it doesn't mean anything really falling halfway through a
00:51:57sentence yeah it feels as if in medias res feeling that you you want to we
00:52:02resonate more with the video when we feel like we're already in the middle of
00:52:06it rather than having to deal this whole introduction so but it does it does still
00:52:09serve to grab your attention and continue from the middle of the thought what are
00:52:15some of the other powerful linguistic tricks that creators either are using a
00:52:20lot of or you think that more creators should be using in order to that's
00:52:24interesting I didn't think about no because and you go hang on I didn't see
00:52:28what happened before I might I guess I'm in this now what else is yeah what else
00:52:33is some good keyholes in the brain that you can latch into I'm trying less to
00:52:38provide advice to creators and more just get people aware of what creators are
00:52:42already doing to you okay you're like you're like a public public service
00:52:46announcement the creators yeah PSA yeah everybody's doing everything for your
00:52:50attention yeah the platforms have monetized your attention they are
00:52:53commodifying your data and your information and they're trying to sell
00:52:56you ads everything's based around your attention they create incentive
00:52:59structures now for influencers to replicate where the attention economy
00:53:04famously it just runs around what will grab your attention and so that means our
00:53:07language will all serve that end primarily and then there's maybe a
00:53:12secondary purpose of I want to sound like um I know what I'm talking about I want
00:53:16to sound relatable but it starts with attention and we'll use keywords like all
00:53:21words are keywords at this point metadata used to be like their search engine
00:53:24optimization terms that you would put in a website description to make sure it
00:53:27ranks higher every single term now is a search engine optimization term because
00:53:31the algorithm is looking at every single word you use and it's using that to
00:53:34create a cluster representation of what your video is in this mathematical space
00:53:38and it uses that to push out a video and so by using a word you are creating a
00:53:43signal for the algorithm that this video should be distributed in a certain way
00:53:47and then you are also creating signals for the viewers that you should look at
00:53:50the video a certain way there's several meta layers to everything we're saying I
00:53:54feel like you're a guy that went away for a decade to some mountaintop kung fu
00:54:02retreat and learned a bunch of really dangerous martial arts you can kill a guy
00:54:08with one touch and I'm now asking okay so how do I kill guys with one touch and
00:54:12you're saying well what I'm here to do is I'm here to warn people about the one
00:54:16touch death move that's exactly what it feels like to be immensely critical of
00:54:20these platforms and I'm a big believer that the medium is the message that the
00:54:23way we consume media strongly affects everything we understand that algorithms
00:54:28are uniquely constraining our language to this bottleneck we've described that
00:54:32they are shaping our expression and if they're doing it to our language that's
00:54:34one thing because I do think language again is this tool that's sort of neutral
00:54:37but they're also doing it to our ideas our discussion our greater sense of
00:54:41reality there are certain biases that get coded into the algorithm that they get
00:54:44perpetuated we see the same thing happening with AI there's a bottleneck
00:54:47again there what kind of language goes in what kind of language is reinforced
00:54:52into the model and then what kind of language goes out nothing is neutral when
00:54:55it's happening through a tech intermediary that's trying to make money
00:54:57off of you okay talk to me about what AI is doing to language you know about the
00:55:01word delve delve to sort of jump into yeah yeah so we have studies indicating
00:55:07that since chat GPT came out usage of the word delve has spiked a thousand percent
00:55:13since before 2022 why does chat GPT like delve so chat GPT uses the word delve ten
00:55:19times more than regular because there is a bias in the reinforcement learning
00:55:23process which is when the words get trained into the model so one there's a
00:55:27few things going on here one the reinforcement workers are in Nigeria and
00:55:30Kenya where they do actually say delve at higher rates but still not that high and
00:55:33that's partially they're rewarding words that they're familiar with to delve is a
00:55:38Latin word and we know that chat GPT exhibits a Latin based bias over
00:55:42Germanic words because again Latin supremacy it's prestige it's like you
00:55:46think Latin sounds fancier than Germanic words like Germanic words are basic ones
00:55:49like the but and whatever and then Latin words or dig in is a Germanic word versus
00:55:54delve is a Latin derived word right and it sounds fancier to say the Latin word
00:55:57and because these models are trained to sound like they know what they're talking
00:56:00about they're going to use more of the romance language stuff they they're
00:56:03trained to sound confident and incisive and sycophantic and they will use certain
00:56:07words that perpetuate that and then that gets reinforced into the model so all
00:56:12this stuff happens and when you're a reinforcement learner clicking
00:56:15reinforcement worker clicking through what kind of words are okay and not okay
00:56:19you don't really catch a small discrepancy like that that delve is
00:56:21showing up a little bit more it's it accidentally gets reinforced into the
00:56:24model and then chat GPT starts spitting out the word delve more and now we have
00:56:27evidence in the past few years that humans in our spontaneous spoken
00:56:32conversation are also starting to use the word delve more so the creature that
00:56:36programmed the AI is being programmed by the AI we are now being trained by chat
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00:57:44done on British politicians and what they've been saying in the in the House
00:57:48of Chambers are now saying I rise to speak instead of I don't know what the
00:57:52norm was before but they're using a u.s. colloquial term which is clearly
00:57:58indicating that their speeches are written by Chachi BT we've seen academic
00:58:01research papers that probably 13% of all research abstracts are written aided by
00:58:05some kind of large language model you can't trust any source whether you think
00:58:09it's so it's not even you're being directly influenced by the AI it's you're
00:58:12being influenced by somebody else was influenced by AI you're reading a text
00:58:15that you don't know is written by AI yep yeah LinkedIn is already like I can't
00:58:19tell whether it's AI or these people genuinely think like this but that you
00:58:22speak in the bullet points that it's not just exits why that's the negative
00:58:25parallelism which also sounds again it's things that sound incisive are reinforced
00:58:29into the model and then they end up affecting our actual speech patterns but
00:58:33what it also does is it means that you need to count a signal away from it so
00:58:36I'm gonna draw an analogy towards em pick as em pick at the moment means that
00:58:39people can more easily lose weight that means that losing weight naturally
00:58:43becomes less high status something remember when Adele lost weight in the
00:58:47before times prehistoric I just did it with calorie deficit and cardio or
00:58:52whatever you did you lose weight now whether you did use as em pick or not
00:58:56you're gonna be accused of having used it so we are now already seeing counter
00:59:01signaling away from the little double - a little tasteful chub is back in yeah
00:59:05yeah yeah it will be soon aha it's nice a natural I see what's the double - thing
00:59:10that chat TPT got the em - em - no one can use it so I have a couple of from I'm
00:59:15gonna hold on to it for as a writer well I think you have a competitive advantage
00:59:20because no one's going to assume that you well there's also using chatter is a way
00:59:24that chat TPT uses the em - to segment thoughts in those negative parallelisms
00:59:28and so on and there's a way that a good writer can use an em - because chat TPT
00:59:33speaks predictably and a good writer will speak unpredictably yeah I'm friends
00:59:36with some very good writers and they love the use of the em - and now they feel
00:59:43like they need to count the signal away from it nobody wants to use the word
00:59:45delve I go to imagine I don't use the word delve we're gonna feel or we're
00:59:48gonna see the word delve drop off because people are gonna be terrified that even
00:59:53if that was the word I wanted to dig in here's the thing delve is merely the
00:59:58poster child for a much broader phenomena we got commendable we got meticulous
01:00:05crucial potential significant all these words all kind of Latin derived are also
01:00:10increasing with chat TPT but we're only pointing to delve in the em - because
01:00:13those are the easiest things to pick up on there's so many smaller things and I'm
01:00:17more concerned about the insidious things again not linguistically I think language
01:00:20should serve as a signal for this broader thing that's happening if it's a
01:00:23reflection of our reality that means our reality is being shaped by chat TPT and I
01:00:27don't think there's anything inherently harmful to the word commendable or
01:00:29meticulous but the fact that we are also proven to be saying those words more
01:00:33after chat TPT has been proven to say those words more means that it's reality
01:00:37is influencing our reality and I'm now concerned what if there's a political
01:00:40bias a gender bias of whatever racial but like all this stuff gets coded into the
01:00:44model and I mean Elon Musk doesn't even hide that he like tweaks grok to like
01:00:49align with his political preferences so he's being obvious about it the other
01:00:52platforms aren't being obvious about it maybe anthropic is doing a better job
01:00:56than then open AI but they're all kind of still trying to make money at the end
01:01:00of the day and they're all doing something that's not aligned with human
01:01:06priorities well I had Tristan Harris Center for humane technology he was set
01:01:10there yesterday and he brought up this great point about anthropic which is from
01:01:16the outside you know the doing things that seem from an optics perspective to
01:01:22be really great but every single platform has the exact same outcome
01:01:27desire which is the models need to be trained very quickly as fast as possible
01:01:30to become as good as possible and if they're not then we're gonna fall behind
01:01:34so I'd window dress it however you want that the the big mover is what's the
01:01:40alignment problem looking like what's the level of safety I do think we should at
01:01:43least praise anthropic for thinking more about alignment and safety than other
01:01:47platforms but that does not mean we should become complacent and we should
01:01:50always be questioning who is the intermediary between us and our speech
01:01:53because there is something affecting when you go through a medium something is
01:01:58constrained that's why I say the medium is the message mmm okay what is there
01:02:02gonna be linguistic chaos then as AI begins to kick off more and more we're
01:02:08just kind of gonna get a little more homogenized probably but then hopefully
01:02:11we'll see you already more homogenized yeah through social we have a language
01:02:14dying out every two weeks that's the stat there's 7,000 languages in the world and
01:02:18it's predicted that most of them are gonna die out by the end of the center
01:02:20mass extinction event it is it is and so we're losing all this beautiful stuff all
01:02:24these ways of expression I love that this book braiding sweetgrass in it there is
01:02:28the pot of a Tommy expression to be a Saturday it expresses Saturday as a verb
01:02:32that you could embody a Saturday as a verb and this is not a concept that we
01:02:36really think about our Express in English and I'm not saying it's impossible to
01:02:40imagine this but it's a way of expressing the world that is lost when a language
01:02:44dies out and you have all these languages dying out that homogenizes and
01:02:48constrains the creative potential for expression not saying that we couldn't
01:02:51think of these thoughts but the options the affordances are less there than they
01:02:54otherwise would be why does some languages seem to have words that
01:02:59represent much more niche long sentence descriptions than others so for instance
01:03:05schadenfreude is like an obvious example but what is the German word that
01:03:11describes the sensation of migratory birds when they are stopped from
01:03:16migrating do you know this one no that's incredible it's it's a kind of restless
01:03:21a desire to fly and the restriction from being allowed to fly that is felt by a
01:03:28migratory bird sounds like a human instinct as well very much so yeah I
01:03:33should be adventuring or traveling or something and I'm being restricted from
01:03:37doing it kind of like wanderlust but to a degree so there's there's a difference
01:03:41between agglutinative languages and inflection languages where an agglutinative
01:03:46language like Turkish and German does this by just tacking words together you
01:03:50can just add things onto other things and then there's inflection where you change
01:03:53the form of the word so English like you can I guess add s to the end of a word
01:04:00but like a lot of stuff like I don't know changes based on the form of the word in
01:04:05Latin in French you'll conjugate you'll do all these things where it yeah you're
01:04:13changing the form rather than adding on but there's different ways you can do
01:04:16language mmm are you more concerned about social media or AI for what it's doing
01:04:20to linguistics social media for sure because whatever's happening with AI it
01:04:23then just immediately gets captured by social media and what I'm concerned about
01:04:26here is that they replicate the natural way that ideas diffuse through
01:04:29populations ideas kind of like a virus it starts in a host it can infect other
01:04:34hosts you had Malcolm Gladwell on I think talk about this it's a little
01:04:39reductive to just say that but I think it's a good model for understanding the
01:04:42way information scatters is kind of like in a virus network like it's sort of like
01:04:46a disease and algorithms have created a replication of natural human social
01:04:54networks that operates faster that connects more nodes than ever before
01:04:58which means these ideas can spread faster than ever before what that means is also
01:05:01misinformation can spread faster than ever before more information is not necessarily
01:05:04always a good thing because now you can be flooded with information and it's
01:05:08called flooding the zone where you you lose track of what's the real
01:05:11information among all the false information you are being bombarded with
01:05:17ideas from people who have an agenda there are mean coin traders and poly
01:05:22market traders who are trying to make a quick buck off of pushing certain words
01:05:25or ideas because now we're betting on ideas and we're betting on their coins
01:05:30attached to which idea goes viral so if an idea goes more viral you make money
01:05:34off of it so now is there financial incentive to push certain ideas and so I
01:05:37think we should remain highly skeptical of everything maybe we should touch grass
01:05:39more but at the very least we should be highly inquisitive of what the medium is
01:05:43doing to us and how it's affecting our communication is there a science to meme
01:05:47language it's called the medics yeah but there definitely are people studying how
01:05:55these networks work hmm and then presumably reverse engineering it I mean
01:06:00I have to wonder it would take a long time there was an interesting a
01:06:06successful attempt by Jim shock to do a grassroots social media campaign
01:06:12promoting Francis and Ghanu so they used a burner account on reddit on maybe the
01:06:19UFC subreddit to post a video supposedly of CCTV of Francis and Ghanu trying to
01:06:26get into maybe a dry cleaners and the door was locked and he goes like this
01:06:30and goes boink and the whole door just smashes and breaks the entire thing was
01:06:34control the whole thing was constructed they filmed it wasn't CCTV it was fake
01:06:39glass Francis and Ghanu was wearing a gym shark logo here burner account on reddit
01:06:44nothing just left it yeah just completely set ablaze so I wonder okay that's you
01:06:52know people that are quite close to the ground floor but they're not they don't
01:06:57have the resources of a country if you did the ability to shape language to
01:07:02think what sort of words do we want people using we can't podcast it top down
01:07:07because people are gonna push back if they feel like they're being we've watched
01:07:10too much about him stuff we know that the people are gonna push back if they feel
01:07:12like this words being forced on them how can we maybe we need to get on fortune
01:07:17maybe we can start to definitely don't know I think get offline as much as
01:07:22possible while remaining aware and appraised of what's happening online
01:07:25because I do think we should like be aware that even if we are offline this
01:07:28stuff will still affect us to some degree like the if your friends are adopting
01:07:33ideas that come from the algorithm and you're offline and you're interacting
01:07:35with your friends you're still gonna be adopting the algorithm ideas without even
01:07:38knowing it so we should be highly media literate knowing that our information is
01:07:42probably being manipulated by these actors who have vested interests in
01:07:46giving us bad information and this effect is only going to be amplified as more
01:07:49and more people figure out how to exploit the information ecosystem if I'm giving
01:07:53you a warning it's this one it's that I see in real time how our language is
01:07:57being shaped by malicious actors that these there are companies and foreign
01:08:01governments with dashboards on tracking populations and how clusters of similar
01:08:07ideas are represented in the social media space and they know how to seed ideas in
01:08:12ways that spread better and they're trying to do that and maybe they're not
01:08:14being fully successful but there are active like information warfare campaigns
01:08:19occurring as we speak how does living inside of these algorithmic constraint
01:08:23systems change what type of thoughts we can easily express because this isn't
01:08:29just the language that we're using the whole point of 1984 sorry to go to was no
01:08:34way we're gonna be able to get through this yeah feeding back up into your
01:08:40capacity to think yeah it's a controversial question in linguistics
01:08:44it's generally accepted that language is not the only thing determining thought
01:08:48right but it might have an influence on it that's called linguistic relativism I
01:08:52don't think we're gonna end up in a 1984 scenario if anything I think people
01:08:55should pay more attention to brave new world the oldest Huxley novel where we're
01:08:58entertaining ourselves and don't aren't even aware that we're in a dictatorship
01:09:01because we're too busy consuming content and drugs but I don't think language can
01:09:08truly be constrained I wrote my book on algo speak on how words emerge in
01:09:14response to censorships the stuff I said about the ice emoji or just words like
01:09:17on a live where you can't say kill we come up with ways we are incredibly
01:09:21tenacious as human beings to express ourselves and say what we want to say
01:09:23that does not mean that some things aren't harder to say that certain ideas
01:09:28aren't more constrained and it there's a idea called the Overton window which is
01:09:33the range of acceptable discourse in a society that right back in the day like
01:09:38gay marriage was unthinkable right and then the Overton window moved and all of
01:09:41a sudden it was okay and that was a maybe I think a positive change but
01:09:47there's also the Overton window is moving toward looks maxing there's way more
01:09:51interest in this stuff right now so that but the this window moves with the amount
01:09:56of represented discourse that we think it's a consensus reality it's what we
01:10:00think other people are thinking and what is acceptable so if a certain kind of
01:10:04discourse like back in the day more and more people started saying there's the
01:10:06gay liberation movement more more people started saying maybe gay people should
01:10:09have rights that moved the window in the direction of gay marriage now there's
01:10:12more more people saying like replicating these alt-right ideas replicating that
01:10:16idea that looks maxing is a good way to you know maybe you should be honest
01:10:21epic all this stuff and that moves the window toward that range of discourse so
01:10:26while your thoughts are not necessarily being constrained and everybody still can
01:10:30think for themselves and can still find ways to express themselves the consensus
01:10:34reality is kind of moving and that's something maybe I'm concerned about
01:10:38apart from the linguistic level if you had to give a steel man argument that
01:10:44Gen Z is really different what do you think it would be in in the context of
01:10:50how every generation thinks that the kids destroying the concept of Gen Z yes every
01:10:55generation thinks that kids are destroying language and somehow the older people die
01:11:00out and the kids grow up and then now we're pissed at the younger kids and we
01:11:03run it back is there is there a steel man argument for how Gen Z could be
01:11:07different I don't think Gen Z exists I don't think generations exist these are
01:11:10weird social constructs that we believe exist this is your one-touch death move
01:11:14like trying to catch smoke here come the fuck I'm not denying that there's older
01:11:19and younger people that there's familial generations right that there is a but we
01:11:23only started this idea of a broad social cohort like a generation with the lost
01:11:27generation after World War one really and then we had the silent generation with
01:11:30the GI generation will go to you then we have baby boomers and then we're like
01:11:33alright we don't know what to call the next people so Gen X X means we don't
01:11:37know lazy and then it's like okay Millennials good enough and then it's
01:11:40like well we're two after Gen X we'll call it Gen Z well we ran out of the
01:11:43alphabet we'll call it Gen alpha that's literally it's all made up and it started
01:11:46in the early 1900s but it's become more and more salient and I this is if
01:11:50anything a new category that can be used to sell you as a consumer demographic
01:11:55that can commodify you that they have manufactured Gen Z as a concept that
01:12:00now we're also performing what it means to be Gen Z whereas if person in 1800s
01:12:04wouldn't perform for their social cohort because there was no social cohort it's
01:12:07simply you are the age that you are and now now I'm supposed to as a older Gen Z
01:12:11person have more in touch with a younger Gen Z person than a younger millennial
01:12:15but really I feel much more in common with younger Millennials it's all it's
01:12:19all made up and yes there's idea now of being Gen Z that is forced upon us and is
01:12:24part of this broader social media tendency to label at every part of us as
01:12:29human beings and put us into buckets that actually do not describe us
01:12:32perfectly this self-branding is constraining because it's giving you
01:12:35another role to perform to a label is kind of a violent thing to impose on
01:12:40someone because now it's you either have to identify with or against a label once
01:12:43it's out there it's out there and now I need to choose whether I feel more like
01:12:47Gen Z or not like Gen Z and now I need to choose whether I'm cottagecore or not
01:12:49cottagecore whether I'm a swifty or not a swifty and all these things kind of
01:12:52combined and now I'm all of a sudden a cottagecore swifty Gen Z whatever me too
01:12:56but really at the end of the day I'm just every person is a unique human being in
01:13:00the same way that we have a unique idiolect a unique dialect that is our own
01:13:03way of speaking we have a unique identity as a linguist I have one word tattooed on
01:13:08my body it's the word umwelt it means the world as it is perceived by a
01:13:11particular person and I really like this idea that we all really see the world in
01:13:15a completely unique way and yet when we put ourselves into buckets and when we
01:13:18pretend that we are it's nice to feel like we are like so other people and it's
01:13:22a useful thing to have a category to kind of signal toward your identity but you
01:13:27are completely unique and what social media wants to do is put you into small
01:13:31small buckets yes but buckets that really make you interchangeable with other
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01:14:50can see two wolves inside of you yeah of course and the there's a really
01:14:55interesting bit of evolutionary anthropology that's looking at the desire
01:15:01for autonomy and the desire for support and kinship and this is what you see a
01:15:06good way to look at this would be a child's life cycle so unbelievable need
01:15:12for kinship up until 11 12 then you start to get a bit rebellious and then by
01:15:1813 14 15 you don't want anything to do with your parents your mother also when
01:15:22you're coming up with new slang yeah well of course it's also the most you know
01:15:25the memory bump effect you familiar with this no what's this I think it's the
01:15:29reminiscence effect which is the language at the music and movies that you grow up
01:15:36listening to between the ages of about 12 and 16 tend to be locked in as what you
01:15:41like for the rest of your life yeah very formative yeah that makes a lot of sense
01:15:44and um you know every not to say that we can't keep developing new tastes of
01:15:49course people find new stuff new bands new movies that it does affect you in
01:15:53that unveld sense that this made a huge impression on you at this particular and
01:15:57you can't ever separate that from who you will be in the future super formative
01:16:00yeah and to think okay well what's going on at 13 14 15 while sexuality it's
01:16:07coming online what is the one thing that you really really really do not want to
01:16:10do have sex with someone that's part of your family so my family's gonna suck I'm
01:16:15gonna stay what I want I want my own independence I don't expect that to go in
01:16:19the end yeah I mean it's it's incest avoidance I think well I mean that's one
01:16:23framework I always I tend to think that any one framework is always like
01:16:26reductive but it is like partly in the same reading like I think for example
01:16:29Freud he was kind of cooking with some stuff but you think about the world
01:16:33Justin affording lands or honestly the looks maxes are kind of right that
01:16:37attractiveness matters but if you're looking at it just through that one lens
01:16:40the framework now constrains you now you're looking at the world reductively
01:16:43we should adopt as many frameworks as possible sorry I went on a tangent but
01:16:46if you have too many frameworks it becomes chaotic right and that that also
01:16:49becomes I think difficult sometimes to amalgamate together my general worldview
01:16:54I think is characterized by trying to understand as many frameworks as possible
01:16:57and they all kind of point in a framework maximalist maybe maybe because they all
01:17:01point at this indescribable whole we can never know you know what unnamed
01:17:07dowel or whatever the middle thing is that we're trying to figure out what
01:17:10reality factor yeah but everything else is signaling or pointing at it and if you
01:17:14broaden your worldview as much as possible and consume as many different
01:17:17forms of media as possible I do think maybe we should be on algorithms a little
01:17:20bit we should also be reading regular news and we should also remember that's
01:17:22biased and we should remember we should like be consuming as many different forms
01:17:26of media as possible and we should be consuming as many different ideas and
01:17:30perspectives as possible because that helps us better understand what's really
01:17:34going on rather than this biased we're always looking at the world through like
01:17:37a confirmation bias sampling bias like everything's filtered through the
01:17:42algorithm everything's filtered through AI and if you try to just consume your
01:17:46worldview through that you're gonna be limited so it consume other things as
01:17:49well touch grass you know and then maybe we can build a better better picture of
01:17:53what the real world is poly consumption poly framework approach yeah I like it
01:17:59and I agree for me to say the Westermark effect which is what we do for incest
01:18:04avoidance and and the fact that you sexuality is coming online you don't be
01:18:07right no it's interesting I'm not saying that that is the one ring to rule them
01:18:11all but what I do mean and I totally agree is that there's another incentive
01:18:19that exists online which is if someone plants a flag in the ground and says I
01:18:24have a single explanatory framework that solves all of the questions that you've
01:18:28got yeah that person sounds that level of conviction is so sexy and I I wonder
01:18:35whether it takes an awful lot of conscious detraining to look at someone
01:18:39that's ardent and completely unforgiving in their worldview and say huh I don't
01:18:45know if I'm not confident about anything I don't know if I'm not confident about
01:18:48my birth date so how is this person about this really come well we know why the
01:18:54war in Ukraine started we know why the war in Ukraine started we know exactly
01:18:57what's going on there every war has like a hundred different reasons behind it and
01:19:01all those reasons could be equally valid you know but we know what's going on
01:19:04with the Lux maxing community yeah that's interesting and you what you state as an
01:19:10absolute fact that is incontrovertible and unidimensionally explained has a
01:19:15completely opposing guy with the opposite perspective which is also
01:19:19unidimensionally explained okay weird how that component comport those two for me
01:19:24because both of you are saying that you are completely right and that the other
01:19:27person is therefore implicitly completely wrong yeah no I think it's it's reductive
01:19:32to look at the world through one set of glasses and sexiness the sexiness of the
01:19:38conviction the human brain thinks in terms of simple stories we like
01:19:41connecting the dots from point A to point B like for etymology we want to think
01:19:46that a word comes from an older word and evolved into a newer word really it was
01:19:51evolving through an aesthetic lens it was evolving through a social context there
01:19:54was another maybe a word seed that affected the trajectory of word a as it
01:19:57involved in a word B it's never one simple story I see this with language
01:20:01but also the world is this hugely complex interrelated thing and to recall one
01:20:06framework the framework is ignoring all the different ways the world could exist
01:20:11ignoring the fact that a Saturday could be a verb instead of a noun I feel like a
01:20:15Saturday sometimes you're quite a you're quite a Saturday guy a big big Saturday
01:20:20guy all right I want to play surprising word histories with you anyway that okay
01:20:24muscle it comes from the Latin word for mouse little mouse musculos why it like
01:20:30looks like a mouse when it moves under your skin right hey they call me the
01:20:35entomology nerd for a reason no I'm gonna flop the rest of them I can't wait
01:20:38this is gonna be so good salary salary is us the Latin word for salt they would
01:20:43pay wages in salt saw ah all right next one assassin that comes from Arabic
01:20:51hashashin it meant marijuana hashish concern the consumer yeah cuz they would
01:20:57like it was a you're scary you're scaring me it was a second like Persia that would
01:21:00just like get high and like kill people I don't know what they were doing but that
01:21:04was kind of the knowledge sorry is small it's mainly sect all right you're
01:21:09terrifying candidate from Latin Candida's white robed so candidate that was like
01:21:18white was associated with purity so it was like you were vying for a pure noble
01:21:23office if you wore white okay did the girl did the word girl originally mean a
01:21:28young woman or did it once mean something completely I think it was like a
01:21:31gender-neutral term it could mean boy and any young person yeah yeah how did silly
01:21:38go from meaning blessed to meaning stupid well in the same sense that like awful
01:21:44and awesome both share that root all like when something has just an emotional
01:21:49valence to it like a quality to it it can move easily between different boundaries
01:21:53but what did you have there the old English of sailing bent blessed or
01:21:58fortunate and over centuries it drifted through innocent naive and then yeah
01:22:02foolish it's a cemented drift is yeah how words of all over time and it is like
01:22:07terrible again and all the like words that describe this shaking feeling you
01:22:13get can really range easily between at the same rate is terrific terrible
01:22:18terrific terrifying so it can quickly move between different types of motions
01:22:23because how do we even describe what's going on here you know yeah difficulty
01:22:26yeah ancient Aztec word for avocado what else did it mean our cuts and they had a
01:22:31secondary definition of testicle nightmare there any interesting about
01:22:40nightmare is that mare like horse is there there's like the idea of like
01:22:44incubus horse that attacked people but I'm not sure if that's the what the
01:22:48Germanic demon yeah it was a man that sat on the sleepers chest yeah so it was a
01:22:54horse yes okay but it was the mayor came from a Germanic demon okay mayor was a
01:23:00Germanic so it might have actually been a demon in the night a demon that then
01:23:03became the name for a horse and the night horse wow no I'm looking in the mirror
01:23:09thing that's a fascinating yeah goodbye would God be with you
01:23:15penguin why does the word penguin probably mean white head even though
01:23:19penguins don't have white heads I don't know penguin please educate okay so
01:23:23there's a Welsh word which is pen p e n g w y n penguin right which yes fucking
01:23:33Welsh is no way would I've expected that to be Welsh I mean like it's a weird-ass
01:23:37word I believe it and it originally referred to the Great Ork it's it wasn't
01:23:41referring to penguins yeah but it obviously got repurposed um orange well
01:23:48it comes from the Sanskrit word for orange tree but it moved through like
01:23:54Arabic naranja same as like the Spanish word and then I think people kept saying
01:24:01n orange and the n got cut off because it turned into like a a norinj versus n
01:24:08orange yes dude you won whatever the fuck that was
01:24:12what you want yeah yeah yeah a norinj right to an orange yeah
01:24:19Wow unbelievable yeah I am look from between you and Mark Forsythe it is so
01:24:26fucking fun you must have so much fun doing this I think it's great got into
01:24:30etymology for the fun facts that was the and then you know I came to see this
01:24:33terrifying on a quiz team terrifying on a quiz team you played with inventing
01:24:38languages yeah what did you learn so the whole thing I was saying about language
01:24:43is being a different way to express reality I think a really fun way to play
01:24:46with that is building your own language so the we see this in movies like there's
01:24:50a Dothraki language and a Klingon language and people have made fictional
01:24:53languages before this is a practice called conlanging constructed language
01:24:57and you know Esperanto is another famous one where they tried to make that a
01:25:01global language and didn't really work out but they built it from scratch and
01:25:04were like trying to make this a sort of an evidence-based language that was
01:25:07gonna be more precise and easy to use I think maybe you're thinking about if quill
01:25:12or something or maybe Esperanto is it's just meant to be like an easier language
01:25:16to use that was the idea of course that what that means is like a strange concept
01:25:21and it's still a leader languages that have more and less linear rules around it
01:25:27different types of rules but there's always a complexity to it because I mean
01:25:30humans got to express themselves in many different ways I think it's really hard
01:25:35to make a claim about one language is more complex than another or something
01:25:38like that but you can talk about one dimensional language you can adopt one
01:25:41framework and then talk about it anyway I I dabbled in conlanging first in what
01:25:48what conlanging which is constructed language creation okay thank you sorry
01:25:52and then I started that linguistics in college and I took a conlanging class at
01:25:57MIT actually that kind of got me into it but I was sort of dabbling before that
01:26:01for the conlang dabbler yeah I've dabbled and then a little more professionally
01:26:06yeah for the conlanging class at MIT I built a dolphin language and that was my
01:26:12first like moment going viral and tick-tock was me presenting my dolphin
01:26:15language where like the word for shark for example is what if you can create a
01:26:22language out of just whistles and clicks and that's kind of cool to play around
01:26:26with the phonological format so I played around with a lot of other animal
01:26:29languages I made a bird language that's just whistled there are actual whistled
01:26:33registers of languages I saw didn't AI reverse engineer what birds are saying
01:26:38did you see this I mean I don't know what that means at all animal communication is
01:26:41just like not a decodable thing in the way human communication is so supposedly
01:26:46I'm probably wrong but I'm pretty sure that I saw AI has analyzed tens of
01:26:52thousands of birdsong sounds and have decoded some of the communication another
01:26:57thing I don't know this is true or not I remember hearing that most birdsong is
01:27:01actually just territorial marking so it's basically birds mating call or something
01:27:05like that birds saying fuck off right at varying oh here we are no 100% there's
01:27:09stuff being done with Bert Cornell's doing amazing bird stuff they have a bird
01:27:14tracking app that they actually used to follow bird migrations and there's cool
01:27:17stuff being done with language and but the thing is when we talk about like
01:27:20animal language there's good research being done with whale communication too
01:27:23the people who are talking about this if you're a linguist talking about it you
01:27:26don't understand how the whales work and if you're a whale research talking about
01:27:29you don't understand how language works or you might have an idea but it's I
01:27:33don't think it's correct to really talk about animals having language as much as
01:27:38communication and of course they have communication their own way of signaling
01:27:41things but when you're a whale you're also using things like your body rolling
01:27:45over in water dolphins have sonar like bats about like this is crazy that they
01:27:49have all this stuff going on that humans don't and this can all be a part of the
01:27:52communicative context and it's not like maybe the language has an abstract
01:27:56meaning in the way that humans do maybe it simply signals a presence and a
01:28:01certain emotional intent in a moment in time but it's also contextual and the
01:28:06other bird might have a different interpretation I like it I don't know
01:28:09language is a very difficult thing that I'm not even sure how to define it anybody
01:28:13who do says after a decade of study I'm so glad to hear you say that anybody who
01:28:18says they know what language is is telling you a framework right that's do
01:28:22you know the story of how the QWERTY keyboard came to be well weren't the
01:28:26typewriters jamming with they had the ABC like when they tried it out and then
01:28:30they tried the Dvorak keyboard but QWERTY was the one that prevented the
01:28:34typewriters from from jamming together bingo yeah yeah so they put the most used
01:28:38letters out on the edges so that they weren't next to each other so that you
01:28:41wouldn't trigger them because both of them would fire at the same time but that
01:28:44is purposefully built to be slow QWERTY keyboard is designed to be inefficient
01:28:49well once we get attuned to it and like like it does move quickly I think but
01:28:54there are even low relative to when we thought the alphabet had to show up in
01:28:58an order on a keyboard but like for like if you train people on other keyboard
01:29:02arrangements they can be up to 30% to 50% faster yeah so I wondered as you were
01:29:07talking about they tried to put Esperanza in that didn't work so and so forth if
01:29:11there was a world in which you could design a language from scratch to be as
01:29:17well the only goal of language unlike with typing which is an intermediary
01:29:22process between things that are not being changed is not just to be efficient
01:29:27right it's to be beautiful it's to be illustrative I think that is a big flaw of
01:29:31how people talk about language and that's how the algorithm is want you to talk
01:29:33about language that it's just information bits transferred per second and that
01:29:37there's a certain amount of information that's communicated that's the goal of
01:29:40language to just get information across that's something that can now be
01:29:43categorized and commodified I think language is also this ritualistic bonding
01:29:47between people small talk for example like when you say the goodbye at the end
01:29:51of a phone call why are you doing that you're not communicating anything you
01:29:54could just hang up and I'm gonna go I'm gonna all my phone calls are gonna be
01:29:57done movie style now all right pink but you do it because it helps establish
01:30:01social ties with the other person and that's kind of a beautiful thing to see
01:30:05yeah you're building this thing with another person and there is an element of
01:30:08humanity in the small talk and in the saying goodbye at the end of the phone
01:30:12call which may be not good for an algorithm maybe you don't like end an
01:30:16algorithmic video by saying goodbye whatever but it does add something
01:30:21importantly human to communication anyway that being said I think what you were
01:30:24getting at is do can different languages have different information transferred as
01:30:29humans we have a certain maybe capacity for processing information and it what's
01:30:33funny is that even a language like Japanese has way more syllables per
01:30:37second than Thai and yet they will still transfer about the same bits per second
01:30:41as each other because Thai is a more inflectional language as I mentioned they
01:30:45like have more tones they build on the individual syllable more and Japan is
01:30:50more likely to add syllables but at the end of the day they'll speak slowly in
01:30:54Thai and they'll drag out their word more but they're saying the exact same thing
01:30:57that a Japanese speaker is saying with three syllables unbelievable I wonder I
01:31:03wonder what it would be like to try and design a very efficient language be so
01:31:09interesting to hear how can we communicate the most content in the
01:31:12smallest number of syllables of words yeah I mentioned this language if quill
01:31:17which is a hypothesized conlang and conlangs are great for really just
01:31:20exploring the boundaries of what language could be and that's kind of what I was
01:31:23trying to say with the the dolphin thing you can just explore the sounds sorry
01:31:26digression um if quill is a language that creates like the most information
01:31:32transferred and it's like a highly dense language carrying many different meanings
01:31:36in a you know and it's impossible for human to learn I mean no no no native
01:31:42speakers of it will exist because at the end of the day we are humans using
01:31:46language to connect with other humans and we're using it in a way that we can
01:31:50understand and describe our reality and that's that's how it works you know I'm
01:31:53sure you sure you create a robot language that works more efficiently but I was
01:31:57gonna say I'm sure that you saw that conversation between two a eyes that
01:32:00realized that they were both a eyes and they say yeah we switch to bleeps and
01:32:04bloops and it's way quicker for us to be able to communicate like that I don't
01:32:07know whether that was actually fake or real I'm not I'm not sure about that
01:32:10either but it is true that computers do not think about language in the way we do
01:32:15in fact I would be very hesitant to say chatty petit even speaks English rather
01:32:19than it's just predicting tokens based on a statistical model of what English
01:32:23should be hmm what it's actually doing is when you input something in English it
01:32:27converts those words into tokens which is like a segment of the word so it breaks
01:32:31up the words in the smaller parts pairs those parts with numbers these numbers
01:32:35turn into like coordinates kind of like on a Cartesian plane like XY axis but
01:32:40like way more dimensions so XYZ and to like thousands of dimensions then it
01:32:47ends up as like a data point called an embedding and this embedding is like the
01:32:50representation of what you said right and then that gets processed through these
01:32:55neural networks and they figure out through previous learning things in
01:33:02previous ways they've understood embeddings how they can predict the next
01:33:06token output so then they create an output token and then that's translated
01:33:10back in a language and so all this is happening between you saying something
01:33:13and chatty petit responding with something I think that's very important to
01:33:16understand because there's a huge misconception that it's speaking English
01:33:19along the whole way that I spoke about language getting broken down turned into
01:33:24another numbers broken back up into these tokens and then turned back into
01:33:28language a lot of meaning can get lost and that's where something like delve
01:33:32could get overrepresented that's where something could happen where our natural
01:33:37way of speaking gets improperly encoded the training process does not work
01:33:42correctly and then it ends up speaking this misaligned version of language
01:33:48I wonder what's gonna happen I wonder what the next few years are gonna have in
01:33:53store for language because you have got bigger influences and bigger broadcasts
01:33:57than ever before so is this would you say that this is gonna be the time in human
01:34:01history where language is potentially going to change the most rapidly I think
01:34:05so I think it's a hard thing to measure what it even is for language to change
01:34:09because as I mentioned I don't even know what languages so if I'm starting with my
01:34:11research question realistically no we don't know what languages it's all made
01:34:16up and because of the thing I mentioned where everybody speaks their own kind of
01:34:19version of language and the thing that we call a language is really just this weird
01:34:22spectrum of people talking that sounds similar to each other and it's like where
01:34:26do you draw the category here of course chatty petit is trained on a corpus of
01:34:30the English language which is made up in the same way Gen Z is made up it's like a
01:34:35category that we think is a thing and then that category is this weird
01:34:38homogenized thing already that there is an English language there's a way you
01:34:41speak in a way I speak that are slightly different from each other and that we can
01:34:44find this shared reality between ourselves but then when our collective
01:34:47shared reality is fed into the chat bot that then creates its own reality based
01:34:50on the shared reality and outputs is what we end up with is just something that's
01:34:54not really a way that you speak it's not a way that I speak it's not a way that
01:34:58anybody speaks it's a mathematical representation of speech mm-hmm dude you
01:35:03rule your work so interesting where should people go they want to keep up
01:35:05to date with everything you got going on let's bring this one I think the most
01:35:08important thing is I try to use my media to push people to more longer form stuff
01:35:12so I got a substack etymology nerd and I got a book called algo speak about how
01:35:16social media is changing language but I am on social media platforms as
01:35:20etymology nerd as well all right goodbye everybody click thank you for having me
01:35:24dude so fucking good that was a lot of fun well I feel like we covered so much
01:35:29crap you roll that was great thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed
01:35:34that episode YouTube knows who you are deeply it thinks you're gonna like this
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Key Takeaway

Online communication is currently being shaped by algorithmic optimization, where creators employ specific linguistic cues like up-talk and high-engagement keywords to force platform distribution, effectively conditioning humans to mirror the predictable patterns of AI models and social media incentives.

Highlights

Dictionary.com and Oxford named '6/7' and 'rage bait' as 2025 words of the year, respectively, as marketing strategies to increase dictionary brand awareness.

Linguistic innovation has shifted primarily from 4chan and Reddit to TikTok, which now functions as the most powerful linguistic engine globally.

Influencer accents, including vocal fry and up-talk, act as 'floor-holding' strategies that leverage linguistic cues to signal that a speaker is not yet finished, thereby improving video retention rates.

ChatGPT training data shows a 1,000% increase in the usage of the word 'delve' since 2022 due to specific biases in reinforcement learning processes that favor Latin-derived, 'fancier' sounding terms over Germanic equivalents.

Algorithmic content distribution creates a 'bottleneck' effect that forces creators to adopt homogenized, widely recognizable accents to maximize viral potential while suppressing regional dialects.

Social media platforms leverage attention-grabbing mechanisms that reward emotions like anger, fear, and awe, causing content that triggers these states to spread significantly faster than content promoting contentment or nuanced information.

Timeline

Virality and Linguistic Manipulation

  • Words like '6/7' and 'rage bait' are engineered as vacuous hooks to incite curiosity and drive viral traffic.
  • Dictionary 'word of the year' selections function as marketing ploys to boost brand visibility.
  • Clip farming serves as the dominant strategy for modern online content distribution.

Platforms intentionally create and select words that possess little literal meaning to optimize for user interaction. These terms act as meta-signifiers, where the absurdity itself becomes the definition, signaling to the algorithm that a piece of content is ripe for widespread distribution.

Influencer Accents and Audience Retention

  • Lifestyle influencer accents, characterized by up-talk and vocal fry, function as strategic 'floor-holding' mechanisms to prevent audience drop-off.
  • Educational influencer accents utilize sharper, staccato pacing and precise articulation to establish a sense of authority.
  • Platforms enforce a linguistic 'founder effect' where creators mimic the speech patterns of early successful figures to ensure social and algorithmic compatibility.

Speech patterns are not neutral but are heavily optimized for retention. The up-talk common in lifestyle content signals that a speaker is not finished, providing a psychological anchor that keeps viewers engaged while the creator formulates the next segment of speech. Conversely, educational influencers adopt aggressive, faster pacing to signal expertise and maintain attention through high-information density.

Algorithmic Constraints and Linguistic Evolution

  • Algorithms act as a biological bottleneck, forcing language to homogenize into widely recognizable accents.
  • Niche communities such as k-pop fandoms or manosphere cohorts develop distinct micro-dialects to signal in-group belonging.
  • The shift toward homogenized language mirrors evolutionary speciation as distinct online environments foster specific linguistic outgrowths.

The necessity of being understood by a global, algorithmically-curated audience pressures creators to abandon unique regional accents in favor of standard pronunciations. Despite this homogenization, micro-dialects emerge within specific digital communities, serving as badges of identity that allow users to signal their alignment with specific cultural or social groups.

The Impact of AI on Human Language

  • Usage of the word 'delve' has increased 1,000% since 2022 as a direct consequence of ChatGPT's stylistic biases.
  • AI models favor Latin-derived vocabulary over Germanic equivalents because those terms are perceived as more authoritative and professional.
  • Human speech patterns are increasingly mirroring the outputs of AI, creating a feedback loop where humans are 're-programmed' by the machines they created.

Large language models are inadvertently altering human vocabulary through a process of reinforcement learning. Because AI is trained to sound confident, it frequently selects specific, prestige-laden words that users then adopt in their own speech, causing a measurable shift in collective linguistic habits toward the model's preferred syntax.

Future of Discourse and Media Literacy

  • Content that triggers high-arousal emotions like anger and fear is incentivized by algorithms, while content promoting contentment is punished.
  • The Overton window of acceptable discourse is shifting toward extremist or high-visibility concepts like 'looksmaxing' due to algorithmic amplification.
  • Maintaining media literacy requires a 'poly-consumption' approach that combines algorithmic content with diverse, long-form, and offline sources.

The current digital environment rewards high-arousal content at the expense of nuanced, calm discussion. By recognizing that platforms are monetizing attention through psychological manipulation, users can move toward a more critical consumption model. Relying on a single framework for understanding the world is reductive, and active resistance to algorithmic homogenization is required to preserve individual linguistic and intellectual depth.

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