Black Holes, Denny’s Fist Fights, Japanese Handjob Culture & Microplastics - Rabbit Hole #4
CChris Williamson
정신 건강도서/문학육아(영유아~청소년)우주/천문임대/전월세
스크립트
00:00:00speaking of shiny heads yeah tim have you ever been to south korea yes i have okay uh would you
00:00:05like to go back i would yeah well south korean president calls for hair loss treatment to be
00:00:09covered by insurance suggesting that government-funded lux maxing may increase the birth
00:00:14rate his interesting proposal characterizes hair loss as quote a matter of survival
00:00:21how do you feel about that tim i think that is not the right solution to the problem
00:00:26they have they have tried a lot in south korea so i i have spent time there i would love to go
00:00:31back it is a topic that is often very distressful to people living with it there you go how do you
00:00:35feel i i am not distressed because i shaved my head starting with wrestling at like age 12 so i got used
00:00:40to it thankfully but you upped it in as soon as i saw the option to white knuckle or shave my head i
00:00:46decided to shave my head but the i think the stickier part here is actually some systemic issues related
00:00:54to things like rent in south korea because they tried a stimulus of something like two
00:00:58billion dollars to encourage procreation didn't work and when you look at some of the issues in south
00:01:07korea that are not obvious originally because people point to idiocracy like comps where they're like
00:01:13well everybody's waiting later they're getting more educated but in south korea for instance if you
00:01:20want to build a family meaning you're going to need a larger apartment they're very straightforward
00:01:25things that are a problem like your safety deposit for or security deposit for the apartment is like
00:01:3212 months rent and people can't afford it so they're like i can't afford it i can't i can't afford it
00:01:38that's so much so many months rent for it it is and they're like i can't afford it therefore i can't
00:01:43have kids who can who can afford a year of rent if they're renting and i may be getting the months
00:01:47slightly wrong but i talked to some koreans they're like no it's like i want to have a kid
00:01:51and here are the reasons i can't so i don't think fixing hair loss is going to actually solve that
00:01:55type of look tim we're playing in the margins here because we can't get into the housing problem
00:01:59okay and the margins happen to be the top of the head that's what matters most the most interesting
00:02:03explanation i've heard for south korea is k-pop in order to become a k-pop star you have to sign
00:02:09your agreement your artist's agreement says that you're not going to be in a relationship while
00:02:13you're doing it so they have created the most popular cultural export and import i guess or
00:02:19internal stars have no families no kids think about what happens when you do that like it's just
00:02:25so inversion easy as fuck the only way you can become a k-pop star is if you've already got kids
00:02:31that's it that's how that's my solution anyway that's yeah it's also these become they become
00:02:35like fucking dumb role models and now these role models have no kids kids don't need rooms what are
00:02:40we talking about here yeah they can go on the road on the tour bus right with the well there was that
00:02:44guy in georgia so uh to try and fix the country or the state uh the country of georgia uh in an attempt
00:02:50to try and improve the birth rate there it's very religious i think it's very roman catholic and there's
00:02:55a rock star bat uh uh uh preacher guy and he said i will personally baptize the third child of any
00:03:04family in the country all of these families speed run children to get to the third and he's had a
00:03:09meaningful increase in the birth rate because these families wanted this guy that was basically the most
00:03:15popular person on in the entire country to like do the do the thing on the kid so or you could just do
00:03:21what certain billionaires like the ceo of telegram has done and say i will pay for ivf for as many
00:03:28women who would like to have sperm donoring his way to 100 plus yeah he's a 2026 genghis khan
00:03:36yeah he's doing it the nicer way it's weird that most people don't do that you know it's a programmed
00:03:41too it's like you're it's like we're programmed for the instrumental part of it like the sex but like
00:03:46not actually the actual like evolutionary goal is not part of the programming right and if it were it
00:03:52would be insane you'd have every rich person would be sperm sperm donating crazy would be like all these
00:03:57scandals it would be you people with thousands of kids it's more ideas guys than operations guys i guess
00:04:02you know one of the um have you seen the documentary of the guy who had a thousand
00:04:07children no so he started off as a dog the doctor or no i know it's not a doctor this is one of those
00:04:13too if you could search it jared it's this big thick like um dutch looking guy and he started off
00:04:19local sperm donning but i think in the netherlands the limit's 20 and he just started going to different
00:04:24jurisdictions like playing around with it in the netherlands was it not a guy that switched out
00:04:29the sperm for his own there was a doctor it was a doctor it was a doctor so we've got two guys trying
00:04:35to achieve the same thing but very different routes in correct correct and this guy because
00:04:40there's a limit in the netherlands of i think of 20 children that you're allowed to do it because
00:04:43they're then concerned of inbreeding inbreeding that may happen and this guy ranked it all the
00:04:48way up to a thousand and then when he got banned from the netherlands he started going i believe to
00:04:51kenya just to you're really going to stand out in kenya if you're a guy from the netherlands aren't
00:04:56you yeah when the kids when the kids come out you're really going to know that that's not somebody
00:05:00from kenya yes yeah yeah there's a mr beast of everything
00:05:06guy's gonna win you know but like when you have a guy like that you really want him to be
00:05:10have a really really good dna you want to be like high iq and good disposition your formula one
00:05:15drivers to be doing this we need max verstappen to be like because like you're you're having a
00:05:20meaningful effect on like the whole human gene pool when you do that like especially like three or four
00:05:23generations later when there's a hundred thousand of your descendants in the world and they're
00:05:27procreating and what does the future look like if it's the progeny of billionaires plus the hyper
00:05:33religious right like what does that mix look like you look at certain countries and birth rates by kind
00:05:39of subpopulation say in certain places in the middle east and stuff and it's very much the hyper
00:05:45religious right so what does that mean in 20 years time yeah i don't know it's also the really
00:05:50impoverished people who are in an environment where a lot of kids used to die in childbirth but now
00:05:55they don't anymore but the adjustment of of uh you know fertility goes goes takes a lag generation so
00:06:02you have this huge ballooning usually yeah so that's also tim urban i want to know what's on your mind
00:06:07man what have you been what have you been obsessed with i mean we'll get to pianos i'm sure but maybe
00:06:13maybe that's for later after a few toothpicks i i uh i'm i'm very when i'm writing a book i'm just like in it and
00:06:20i'm immersed in it so i've been working on a book for three years it's a story of everything it goes
00:06:24from the big bang to the end of the universe you know i've always wanted to say i think you should
00:06:28be just a little more ambitious you know reach for the brass ring you know it's like secretly kind
00:06:34of not as hard as it seems because you don't have to go that in depth on anything so it's little dips
00:06:40it's like a kind of like 100 blog posts in in one you're like world war ii that was a bummer but it
00:06:44worked out no no no so so for example one sentence no no literally like so sorry sorry japan we'll make
00:06:51it up to you i was like what do i do i have the world wars i can't not mention them but like
00:06:56there's certain things i want to focus on things that people are like i never knew that or like
00:06:59that's so mind-blowing like i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna we're not gonna go deep enough
00:07:03everyone knows the basics of world wars right so i decided instead i'm gonna make it like a
00:07:08two-page story that's gonna be an allegory which is um a brawl at denny's because i used to because
00:07:15i got hooked on youtube spiral of brawls at denny's it's very entertaining and so then i came to my
00:07:20mind i was like hooked on one that week when i was writing this and i was like okay so you've got like
00:07:24um you know you've got uh a bunch of tension in the room and then finally like you know austria
00:07:29hungary goes over and just like you know slaps serbia guy in the face and then and then you
00:07:33know a bunch of you know then you have russia and france kind of all like you know these big
00:07:37guys who are friends with the serbia you got you know i just i just did this and and i don't know
00:07:42i don't a lot of times i'm like we i don't know if that's good i don't know if people will like this
00:07:46that's what i just did i guess that's how we're doing the world wars and then i move on because i
00:07:49had to move on allegory of denny's yeah because everything i have to think about how do i get this
00:07:54in there in a way that's still fun and new and different i don't want i don't want you to
00:07:58feel like you're reading a textbook or an encyclopedia i would love one sentence historical event
00:08:03recaps i think that would be a wonderful just like a fortune cookie
00:08:07history yeah because uh barstool sports dave portnow does the one bite pizza review
00:08:11and this is just the historical equivalent it's like the elton john uh diary entry
00:08:15oh oh i think it's oh it's bought a rose i mean you thought you taught me about this it's
00:08:21the single it's a single grade that or the huntress thompson one which like
00:08:25tracked but i guess that wasn't a diary entry that tracked what his daily routine was
00:08:29i woke up at 12 midday two cigarettes cocaine whiskey cocaine whiskey mvma um but yeah here it is
00:08:39got up tidied the house bought a rolls-royce had dinner wrote candle in the wind had dinner with
00:08:45ringo star that was one day
00:08:50bought a rolls-royce broke candle in the wind had dinner with ring i wonder if tidying the house was
00:08:55meaningful to him was that like soothing therapy or was that just buying time before he could justify
00:09:01walking to the rolls-royce dealership opened i will never know it's also two dinners in there
00:09:08yeah i think one of those is an arrow i think the middle dinner didn't exist we also use lunch and
00:09:12dinner we use lunch and dinner interchangeably in the uk it's very dinner or supper or something right
00:09:17you can throw that you can throw tea in the mix as well tim yeah okay afters is also not bad yeah
00:09:22afters is dessert completely completely gets mixed up i i had to try the also i had to get it's like
00:09:29speaking in one sentence i had to get from you know because i'm going i i did like ancient mesopotamia
00:09:34pretty thoroughly because that's so like important um and like you know the first empire which was the
00:09:39akkadians you have sargon the great the first emperor and i did all that and then i'm like
00:09:42now i want to get to like the bronze age collapse and that stuff but there's a thousand years in
00:09:46between so i decided again i'm like what do i do so i just wrote a so i'm going to do this in one
00:09:51sentence and it ended up being a paragraph a pretty long it had probably be a full page but it's a one
00:09:56run-on sentence that goes through 2200 bc to 1200 bc so you got you know it's a really speed run it
00:10:04well but not usually sometimes then i would slow down and you know spend 20 pages on you know the
00:10:08bronze age collapse or whatever but like um but like yeah i think i think one sentence on rome
00:10:14you did you did rome in a single sentence no rome rome rome is later separate treatment okay yeah
00:10:19rome i had to say a little bit more about but um uh but you know you're not going to go through the
00:10:24whole how did you choose this book project because so i write blog posts about anything and it's a great
00:10:29format now just so people understand what we're talking about because i have more context than
00:10:33some people listening how long are some of your blog posts so the the short ones are like 3 000
00:10:38words which is like i don't know i don't know 10 10 minutes yeah something like that um and then
00:10:44early on i was like i can't go over you know 2 000 words and i was like okay i can't go over
00:10:473 000 4 000 and then it just kept going up and then i did one that was like 8 000 but like it got some
00:10:51traffic and i was like people liked it okay and then the next one and then so i just had a problem
00:10:55where it was like one of these uh you know it's like someone who keeps taking like you know more
00:10:59drugs to get the same high like so i would just start like then getting more thorough and more
00:11:03thorough and by the end i was writing 40 000 word that's would count and that's that's a book for
00:11:07yeah like 50 000 words is a it's like a hundred and twenty hundred fifty pages something like that
00:11:12um and but but but so i had this format where i can write any length blog post so i'm like why
00:11:16would i do a book i'm right right i have a and then i was like okay if i'm doing a book it has
00:11:20to be a topic that i could never do as a blog post like what's the ultimate topic that like
00:11:24is so big it has to be history of everything so the answer is everything as a topic now i i'm just
00:11:29going to pat your back a little bit because i know you're not going to do it yourself one of your
00:11:34longer posts is it fair to say i hesitate to even call it a post but man of the hour right
00:11:41spacex is on a lot of minds i checked today it's like 2.5 trillion market cap right now so elon
00:11:48liked your stuff so much that he gave you exclusive access to what yeah so um he read my ai
00:11:53post and was like hey i like how this circle when this is 2015 beginning of 2015. 2015.
00:11:59so this is really early days with ai and with elon really yeah i mean a lot of he was very he was
00:12:03a huge deal but a lot of people i told in my life they didn't know who he was at that time yeah
00:12:07and spacex was some people knew about it some people didn't um and uh and basically he said
00:12:15you know how he is he's very like uh he likes to trust people and not and be hands off in a lot of
00:12:22those cases so he would say he said um would you like to write about tesla or spacex ever normally
00:12:27if someone's like you want to write about my company i would say no but like tesla and spacex
00:12:30are as fascinating as any blog post could be because they're about such bigger things than a
00:12:35company right also with the access that you could get so then he basically said you can talk to me
00:12:39as much as you want and also any engineer you want and they don't have to be media ready but
00:12:42and i said because i said to him like and then on my side i was like i'll i'm not like a journalist
00:12:47who's like you can't change anything i'm like i'll send you the post at the end and if there's
00:12:52something like some proprietary thing someone said that's not supposed to be in there you can take it
00:12:55out and they really almost took nothing out it was like it was like the the uh the cost of like a
00:13:00starlink set starlink was an idea at that time it was like they caught you know little things like
00:13:03like the bandwidth of a starlink satellite things like random numbers there were like two or three of
00:13:07those you can't put that in um elon had like criticized someone that later they were like yeah we don't want that in
00:13:14there's like okay i'll take that out other than that like they left the let it go and it was obviously
00:13:18i'm like a space network to be in spacex you know the factory in um in hawthorne and just looking at
00:13:25the rocket up close i got to like sit and drag in and like talk to this is 2015 2015. so they had never
00:13:32landed a rocket yet that was the big thing at the time no one has ever landed a rocket spacex is trying
00:13:36to people think they're crazy um and i actually i did one of these because they started broadcasting
00:13:41their launches and i did the very you know it was like one of the very first ones they were like you
00:13:46want to do one when we're trying to land a rocket i was like sure so i was like a guest broadcaster on
00:13:49the time when they landed for the first time so like the the seven-year-old in me was like i can't
00:13:54believe this is real it was like this it was very exciting for me um and then later i wrote a big big
00:14:00post about neuralink which they launched the company alongside that post so it was like and then and then
00:14:05the scariest thing ever was the whole company now is kind of waiting on me and i'm a procrastinator
00:14:11with neuralink yeah and like we're talking about how my posts always go longer they thought it was
00:14:15going to be like a 6 000 word post this one was 40. and uh elon by the way i think this chill he was
00:14:20like it's so long bro and i was like this is how i am dude this is how i don't know what to tell
00:14:23you this i can't not do it there's so many i can't talk about neural without talking about
00:14:27other brain computer interface i can't talk about those and then i have to talk about evolution and then i
00:14:31just talk about the brain brain the nervous system how did it evolve in the first place you go we end
00:14:35up back in like the most ancient part of like origin of life um but that's how i do it and and it was
00:14:40such a complicated story to tell because it was the concept of a brain computer interface but then the
00:14:44reason for which was like merging with ai and what the hell so it was long but he sends out a a tweet
00:14:51that was like uh like uh we'll be launching in a week you know wait but why post will be ready like
00:14:56in a week and i was like no it won't so scary so i ended up um i ended up like furiously trying to
00:15:05finish and it finished in three weeks and i was like talk about like good external pressure it's
00:15:10helpful to have like elon musk publicly putting pressure on you so that was that uh but yeah and
00:15:17it's just great because you get to like by writing that post you end up just fully understanding like
00:15:23a whole industry you didn't understand before right so it was it was fun so amazing yeah yeah
00:15:27their blog posts and then their blog posts right right but yeah so that's why a book had to be
00:15:32something even bigger than something like that you've got the uh most watched ted talk of all time as
00:15:37well second most oh who beat you ken robinson well he was the first one posted like back in 20 2006.
00:15:44mine was 2016 so he's got a decade on me but i'm like i think he has like 80 million and i have
00:15:49like 78 and i'm like okay come on man like just get to first put some paid behind it just put some
00:15:54paid advertising behind it to just i don't think that'll i don't think that i think it's all you
00:15:57could rip make it rip in bangladesh yeah you get that yeah yeah you got one of those watch yeah
00:16:06maybe for your kindle version of your book or all your books you just have it's almost like signing
00:16:11up for wi-fi at the airport like you have to watch an ad but in this case they have to watch your ted
00:16:14time 30 seconds just enough just enough to trigger a play that's all i mean with the new book let's say
00:16:20history is kind of like a stock market and everything's priced i feel like world war ii
00:16:24is very much um it's like apple right now right like people talk about world war ii what parts
00:16:29of history from your research do you think is like way more fascinating than people give it credit oh my
00:16:35god so i mean almost everything i mean everything once you dig in you just i mean i was just writing
00:16:42about the black hole era do you know what that is like uh it's i i'm gonna get like i might like
00:16:48have an existential crisis if i talk about this but so basically there's the the star era goes on for
00:16:53like a hundred trillion years or something like that so that the last stars will be born around 100
00:16:57trillion years from now and then like 20 trillion years later the last stars are gone and we're in
00:17:00the degenerate era and there's just nothing except for little white drawers and then that ends
00:17:04and all that's left is black holes and so how long is the black hole era because the black holes decay
00:17:09really really slowly really slowly but then some of them bring me huge but there'll be a point at some
00:17:14point in the last black hole it's hulking radiation right hawking radiation exactly it's like the tiniest
00:17:19little right around the edge the antimatter you know whatever um so i was like how do i explain how
00:17:25long this is it's 10 to the 106 years okay so what how do you what does that mean how do you put that
00:17:29into context and the way i thought about it is okay imagine if we make a timeline where every centimeter is
00:17:36a billion years so so far so this is this is how long we've gone big bang today right and this is
00:17:4013 centimeters and now i was like so how long would this timeline have to be to to get all the way to
00:17:46the end of the black hole era and i said okay well let's just actually get i want to always want to
00:17:50like actually do the calculation so i was like let's imagine this is a ribbon with a half a millimeter
00:17:54thickness and it's one centimeter wide and then every centimeter of it is of length is a billion years so how
00:18:01long would it have to be turns out you'd have to if you could pack like okay if you imagine you patched
00:18:08this room tightly with ribbon so it's just like this block hard rock yeah of ribbon just packed as much
00:18:15as you possibly could in you know every centimeter is a billion years okay would that be enough time
00:18:20no you'd have to pack the entire observable universe to the brim with ribbon and that would get you
00:18:26nowhere close you'd have to have packs and the final number i came to is 1.4 billion observable
00:18:31universes with this this ribbon to have by the end of the last universe to get to the end of the
00:18:37ribbon that's the end of the black hole era so there's like that that i just i'm going to put a
00:18:41wrinkle into it because after that you still have quantum fluctuations oh yeah oh no the dark
00:18:45and that goes on that goes on for even longer so the five the five stages of the five ages of the
00:18:50universe sorry book from 1996 goes through this they had to come up with their own numbering
00:18:54convention to be able to name it they didn't use ribbon yours is much more inventive that's just
00:18:58way more nerdy the dark era which just comes after the observable universe sorry it's after the black
00:19:02hole era is way more upsetting because now imagine you have an entire you wrote a book that that
00:19:09contains the history of the universe right and every page is an equal amount of time you could pack and
00:19:14it's like something like 16 of these so a trillion times a trillion times a trillion times a trillion
00:19:18observable universes but 16 trillions um to the brim with pages and the from the big bang to the end of
00:19:26the black hole era that whole thing with the ribbon i just talked about is not even the first proton in
00:19:31the first atom of the first letter of the first word of the first page of the first book so i get upset
00:19:37about this this is the kind of thing that when i think about then i'm like in bed and i literally can't
00:19:41sleep and i'm tossing and turning and the next day my wife is like why are you so tired and i'm like
00:19:46it's too like embarrassing to explain but like i i i'm having an existential crisis about how long
00:19:50the universe is gonna last here but that amount of time will pass and that is weird like no one
00:19:57should want eternal life there's a an interesting theory about super advanced alien civilizations
00:20:03shutting down because toward the end of that era you end up with an unbelievably cold universe one
00:20:08that's significantly colder than ours now now it's not much but on the margins this makes a big difference
00:20:12because almost all energy usage blows off heat and if you were doing simulations ancestor simulations
00:20:18future simulations if you had if you'd gone into the metaverse and decided to make this your new place
00:20:23it's way more efficient to do this the later that we go so i'm gonna guess that you came across this too
00:20:28it's one of the explanations for the fermi paradox which is the paradox that asks why have we not seen
00:20:32aliens when there's should be lots of them out there we should see something there should be some that
00:20:36are far more advanced than us so they should really be noticeable out there building dyson spheres and
00:20:40stuff and there's many explanations one of them is they're all hibernating because they've all figured
00:20:46this out and they're going on this thing that will feel like a second to them but they're just going
00:20:50to go past a few i don't know whatever it is a hundred few hundred billion years and we're just in
00:20:54this era where it doesn't make sense for an advanced species to be conscious so they just are all
00:20:59hibernating it's like waiting for the ventilation guy to come and fit the ac before installing a new
00:21:03computer town that's why it's like it's gonna wait it's too hot it's gonna make the apartment too too
00:21:07hot we just go chill let's go play pickleball for a while he'll come in in a bit and then once we
00:21:11once he's done it'll just be like a blink okay we're here now let's keep going but to us we're just
00:21:15like it's empty no one's here yeah fucking wild it's really cool dude i got obsessed with that and
00:21:20supervoids the buettos supervoid now that if you want another another yes another crisis yeah it's
00:21:26like a so you should have a relatively uniform universe right a cosmic microwave background but
00:21:32you don't you have little fluctuations this even within little fluctuations it should still broadly
00:21:38be pretty uniform but it's not there's these huge things called supervoids that are like millions of
00:21:44light years some of them are the biggest ones are a billion light years across buettos one might be a
00:21:48billion light years a few billion light years across and it's almost entirely bereft of material for
00:21:54billions and billions of light years it's insane it's so fucking there are some theories that even
00:21:59we are in somewhat of a void potentially like that they're that that we're in a very uncrowded part of
00:22:05the observable universe perhaps um it's unclear but and of course by the way there's everything we're
00:22:10talking about the voids we see everything that's all within the observable universe which might be
00:22:13like a grain of sand compared to the earth size full universe like this is just what we can see and
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00:23:32slash modern wisdom and modern wisdom at checkout have you ever watched power of 10 of course yeah yeah
00:23:39yeah have you watched power of 10 maybe jared you can get it on the screen on youtube but it's
00:23:44because as you give me that kind of conversation there i start zooming out of myself and i realize
00:23:49oh like i am essentially nothing and the power of 10 it starts with people in a park and it just zooms
00:23:56out by the power of 10 i think every three seconds so it goes from them in the park like zoomed in on
00:24:01their face to above to above to above and you realize how quickly it goes all the way out to the
00:24:07earth just essentially being nothing but then what's the most fascinating part of this video is
00:24:11they then zoom in so then zooms in all the way yeah it's that top one there this is the nearest
00:24:16i found doing any psychedelic drugs without having to ingest anything this is a staple of american
00:24:22schools we watch this this was in are you serious oh yeah i never saw this is how you ended up like
00:24:28how you ended up because this is no this made a huge impression on me 10 times as wide our picture
00:24:33will center on the picnickers even after they've been lost to sight 100 meters nice that basically
00:24:39this is making those picnickers the center of the universe yeah that's pretty fun power boats lie at
00:24:44their docks then this must have been difficult to do without uh this square much computer
00:24:48technology i know i'm impressed the distance a racing car can travel in dude fire up the autism
00:24:54engine this is great it's actually a beautiful uh like meditation technique to sit there and do this
00:24:59and then start realizing how many other people out there have their own thoughts we see first the
00:25:03rounded end of lake michigan this is something that um i don't know if you guys recognize this name so ed
00:25:09cook who was a memory competitive memory champion he's he's from your motherland he's a brit and then
00:25:19he trained i think it was jonah lair in a book called moonwalking with einstein so he took a lay
00:25:25person in this case journalist and trained him up to be memory champion in the u.s where they have to
00:25:30memorize a shuffle deck of cards for time and things like this there are various events kind of like a mental
00:25:36decathlon but as a meditative tool he does this zooming right and there's also a really this is
00:25:44like the brit roll call here but i think oliver berkman is also one of your countrymen wrote a great
00:25:49book called four thousand weeks which is tremendous and one of the chapters is called cosmic insignificance
00:25:55therapy and it's some version of this but that is partially why i want to ask you like to what extent
00:26:02do you find it helpful to think about this stuff where perhaps it puts problems in perspective versus
00:26:09overwhelming and it's magnificent magnification of your insignificance there's a great cartoon i think
00:26:16it's by asher polman and it's a guy saying not only are your problems insignificant you're insignificant in
00:26:22the grand scheme of the universe so it's like this guy who's dealing with like nihilism and then it's
00:26:25like the reframe is you also don't matter in in the whole universe as well yeah so you can't have that
00:26:30effect that happens to people yeah so i'm curious for you personally um i i i think it does make me feel
00:26:40kind of cozy in a way like i i think it makes me feel better because it makes me feel just like
00:26:48lucky to be conscious here for a second as opposed to thinking like this is the baseline and oh my god
00:26:53i'm gonna like die and that's gonna i'm like it's so cool that i that for a moment in this universe like
00:26:59my consciousness formed so improbable right yeah and like this tiny little also so again we just
00:27:04talked about time is really scary space is really right crazy and like you said then goes down to the
00:27:09small and like it gets even smaller than it does big and that's cool i'm like a you know a feinman has
00:27:15this great quote like you know i a universe of atoms an atom in the universe and it's like both of
00:27:21those right and it's like uh it does just make me feel like very lucky to be here and then that then
00:27:27then it feels like i'm playing with house money a little bit and then like suddenly debt doesn't
00:27:30i'm like whatever man it's like i'm this is so cool look at the and just like i don't know one you
00:27:34know i i i i i i'm tickled by these thoughts i find it like endlessly i get the dopamine hits i get from
00:27:40them so to me it just uh it's a it's usually a positive um i don't like reading about like
00:27:46the rise and fall of empires you know there's other parts of the book that i'm like that's not a nice
00:27:50thought because a lot of these empires a bit close to home at their peak they were really sure or even
00:27:54on the way up or even on the early way down they were just they were this is it we finally are here
00:27:59in the modern times and we figured it out and like those empires of the past like they made mistakes
00:28:04that we won't make and every single one they're at a catastrophic fall i don't like that um yeah well
00:28:10i was was joking with chris when we did an episode recently that as i think we spoke about this as
00:28:14well that as every empire falls nobody announces that the empire has fallen so it's obviously up for
00:28:21debate but rome uh most mainstream historians will say that rome fell in about 476 a.d and it's almost
00:28:28because it's quite poetic because you have romulus saw the rise of the roman empire he was the first
00:28:33roman emperor and then young romulus was disposed and that was the end of the roman empire but the
00:28:39next day there was no big announcement that the roman empire had fallen so much so it goes you
00:28:43obviously have the split of the roman empire um i think in the 700s a.d charlemagne is announced as
00:28:49the official roman emperor so 300 years later it was still going on voltaire said the empire that
00:28:56calls it calls itself holy roman and empire is neither holy nor roman nor an empire he said that
00:29:03in 1700 a.d so the actual when it came to everybody deciding the roman empire had fallen but it was
00:29:08officially announced i think by francis ii it was the mid 1700s so i joke that the most powerful empire
00:29:15today when it falls there'll be people that still think it's gone or maybe people in 3000 will be
00:29:22like well of course the us empire collapsed in 1994. yes uh ad and we'll be like huh what it's like a
00:29:28punch drunk boxer that can't admit that he's failing yeah dude your career's over it's time to go me and
00:29:34chris can confirm that there was no moment that it's certainly our live times that the bbc announced
00:29:39the british empire had fallen it's like when did it happen it happened but when did it happen yeah
00:29:44uh speaking of stuff that you learned in school have you seen the retro codex have you seen this
00:29:50really really cool website so it's a website that teaches you things that you learned in school
00:29:56that are now disproven so you can go in and look at what year you graduated high school
00:30:02and it'll tell you what you learned in school and have now been disproven jared can you pull this
00:30:08up for me so um i put this in as 2000s which would be for me and george uh lightning never strikes the
00:30:14same place twice uh lightning has struck several places multiple times empire state building is struck
00:30:19approximately 25 times a year uh wearing red near a bull will cause it to charge bulls may not be
00:30:24able to distinguish the color red from other colors what triggers the bull is movement and physical
00:30:28provocation not color the red cape is to conceal blood stains uh goldfish have a three second memory
00:30:34goldfish retain memories for weeks months and possibly years george washington had wooden teeth he did
00:30:38wear dentures but they were made of other materials such as tin gold and lead human teeth from
00:30:42enslaved individuals it's a bit gnarly uh need to wait 20 to 30 minutes after you eat to swim or you'll
00:30:48get stomach cramps and drown there's no clinical evidence for that there's another one go a bit
00:30:52further down oh i see oh if you roll your eyes and folk wisdom checked on the top left i was like
00:30:58i don't recall getting uh if you go down a bit more if you pee in the pool everyone will know
00:31:02because it'll turn water green hot water washing hands is not good in cold water yeah right there
00:31:08interesting i'm learning a few things water temperature has not been found to impact the
00:31:11antibacterial efficacy of hand washing i didn't even know that after a person dies their hair or
00:31:17fingernails can keep growing who who thinks earth is the only planet with water i don't know about that
00:31:22but in the 2000s might you have thought that because pluto being a planet would have been true when we
00:31:27went to high school yeah yeah yeah true uh brown sugar is healthier than white sugar yeah i just
00:31:31like it's it's nice to find then obviously all of this stuff with the food pyramid that's got turned
00:31:35literally upside down so some of these will end up being overturned too but yeah um oh for sure i
00:31:42think when i was thinking about you know the way kids are educated i think that schools do something
00:31:46that i think in some cases it likes they at least they traditionally that is that is maybe the right
00:31:50thing to do which is you teach the wrong story the simple wrong story first just to like
00:31:57let the concepts and then later you start to build the nuance and you realize that the
00:32:00but that's a kind of like like thanksgiving i think it's i i think it's i learned early on that
00:32:06thanksgiving was this like wonderful thing and the pilgrims came and the the indians at the time the
00:32:10indians were like everyone was happy and they had this nice feast and uh or you know just like
00:32:16columbus discovered the new world but like no he didn't but like and just like keep it um let let
00:32:21the basic stories seep in and then later you can be like actually like this is like an allegory kind of
00:32:27for uh that that represents like a much larger more complicated much nastier story often and i
00:32:31think sometimes right now what they're doing is they're you know out of kind of i don't know you
00:32:36know kind of political reasons or whatever they're they're teaching kind of very very like you know
00:32:44kind of a hardcore first story to really young kids right away that um they're front-loading the
00:32:48nollie version yeah exactly and maybe going too far even in that direction um when uh like i think i
00:32:55i mean i this is a whole other can of worms but i think that maybe i want to put the disguise but
00:33:00like i i know i think that um i do think american children should be taught first all these great
00:33:09things about america they should learn that they're in this great country that's has complicated that
00:33:13has not been perfect but they've done a lot of great things um and it's this wonderful thing and
00:33:17patriotism and be really proud and then later later then you can learn a lot more nuance or it's the same
00:33:23reason that i think you shouldn't be teaching your kid you know that like you think your dad's a good
00:33:27person but you know he cheated when in his 20s like you know that he like did you know he got fired
00:33:32like you don't do that you start with that that's great of course then later in life and the kid's
00:33:36an adult you start i don't know this is partisan controversy anymore you start to then say uh you
00:33:40know dad uh you know dad can say to you you know yeah i'm not perfect i did this and this but like
00:33:45yeah you don't need to front load our kids and like it's a very different kind of person to teach
00:33:49well also because i mean i remember talking to a very close friend of mine who's got a bunch of kids
00:33:55wonderful guy very successful in what he does and i asked him what his parenting advice would be
00:34:00and his first rule was you need to teach your kids to be optimists because action flows from optimism
00:34:08and agency flows from optimism right and so what you're describing sort of creates a picture that you
00:34:14don't want to aspire to engage with and seems antithetical to that you're like two you know
00:34:19second third fourth graders just hammer climate change climate change your future is destroyed
00:34:23like what why who thinks this is a good idea right take little little kids well and then the older
00:34:28generations are like oh my god these younger generations so apathetic i'm like yeah you're
00:34:31getting waterboarded with existential threat all day yeah you would be too i guess it makes sense that
00:34:37the younger you are the more neuroplastic you are right and even like statements like that are quite
00:34:41reflexive so if if you go on if i go on the news tomorrow and say it's it's going to be a sunny day
00:34:48i have no impact on whether it's going to be a sunny day but a reflexive system is if i go on the news
00:34:54tomorrow and say there's going to be a bank run i have an impact on whether there's going to be a
00:34:58bank run and if you go in thinking america's a terrible country that's going to be quite a reflexive
00:35:04thing for your entire youth i mean it's quite funny listening to him not that you were complaining to him
00:35:08but an american talk about the lack of patriotism in their country it's two brits next yeah it's kind
00:35:14of like chris talking to me about like how he's frustrated with the size of his forearms right
00:35:17now you know what i mean like i'm like okay okay i understand but uh yeah i think it's interesting
00:35:23for america to be going through that when you're still by far the tallest midget in the room right
00:35:27totally and and by the way there's so much british history to be proud of oh don't get me started
00:35:32this negative lens don't get me started tim i i declare i said this to chris previously like we are
00:35:38the most insecure in terms of internal reputation versus external so if you travel anywhere else in
00:35:45the world apart from a few places they often like love the uk um but internally they often criticize
00:35:52themselves the most i'll never forget a friend of mine um uh came uh his sister came home one day and she
00:35:58said you know what she goes britain is the racist country on earth and he paused for a second and he
00:36:05just said compared to where she couldn't answer it's that line about capitalism it's the worst system
00:36:12apart from all of the other ones it's just a crazy distortion lens and it's so self-defeating and it's
00:36:18like this crazy yeah jack butch has got this great line he says unlearning is a hundred times harder
00:36:23than learning and if you're laying down those myelin sheaths and some kids who's five years old six
00:36:31seven i don't know when you start to understand what climate is and what power structures look like
00:36:36but yeah you're probably best starting off with generalized optimism and getting into specific
00:36:42pessimism or specific scrutiny as opposed to generalized high school maybe you know like
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00:37:46about now the uh uk it looks like i don't know whether this is actually going to happen the uk is
00:37:51proposing a social media ban for under 16s the same as australia's had and i haven't seen much of the
00:37:56fallout of this i steered clear of x for the last couple of days but i i really struggled to see how this
00:38:03is a bad thing to steal man the other side before you even get onto the 16 year old is also a you
00:38:08have to use identification now to use social media for anybody over the age as well is that a bad idea
00:38:14it's an interesting discussion everybody's okay with it everyone's got a concern about digital
00:38:19safety i i i understand that but why have you abstained for the last few days from x
00:38:26busy okay okay i was like what was the catalyzing event it wasn't a choice it was literally just
00:38:32busy yeah uh touching grass yes we're trying to make it that's really trying to i was looking at
00:38:37photos of grass on x actually it was it was better it was too busy doom scrolling on tick tock was the
00:38:42actual thing yeah a few bugs yeah uh but the australia thing um you're right what i you're such a
00:38:50fucking techno optimist carry on what come on no don't interrupt don't interrupt stop interrupting
00:38:56my interruption winston churchill once said to randolph uh churchill's son dinner the best thing
00:39:00ever which is like can you stop interrupting my interruption go on you go you go for it i just don't
00:39:07understand what the what the counter argument is i don't understand what it's such anchoring bias
00:39:12because we develop the technology before we put the guardrails around it and i think if you were to
00:39:17invent it today having known the impact of social media if it had been worked inside of a faraday cage
00:39:24lab for a long time to look at what the impacts are it would be like releasing cigarettes into the
00:39:29world knowing the impact of them i'm something i imagine that kids were able to smoke 70 years ago
00:39:35or something i don't know whether there was ever an age restriction on smoking i imagine the same would
00:39:39be for alcohol and you start to tick this up over time the uk has introduced that uh lagging law for
00:39:45vapes now so i think anybody born like after 2010 will never be able to smoke and the age just keeps
00:39:53tracking up so it's if you were born what 2006 or earlier you're allowed to and it's never going to
00:40:01change it's you're never going to be able to smoke that's just their attempt at you didn't learn to
00:40:06do it in the first instance therefore we're gonna you're never going to need to do it in the future
00:40:09but yeah i mean i i i'm i'm in support of this i'm interested to hear what criticisms push back
00:40:15against it are but i don't see any reason why it's a bad idea to put under 16s put a ban on the smart
00:40:21ones that want to start a business and really need to learn the internet are going to be able to get
00:40:24around it they can still be entrepreneurial and the ones that don't i don't think they're going to miss
00:40:28out on much what do you guys think in terms of age verification and is there an identification is
00:40:34there an is there an issue stopping kids under 16 from going on social media would you be in support
00:40:38of it i would be in support of curtailing or forbidding it for sure 100 100 yeah i mean
00:40:44spending time with jonathan height and so on i i just think the evidence is so compelling
00:40:50yeah i would i would for sure i wonder how much of an impact he's had
00:40:54he has just jonathan height he has a guy he's had an impact with his small team on a with state by
00:41:01state legislation changes they've been very effective for uh for a small crack team of researchers and
00:41:07people he also before i mean i in my last book was about political polarization and wokeness and all of
00:41:12this and he was you know the chapters ranged from kind of like evolutionary psychology to his you know
00:41:19political history to kind of modern current stuff and i had different kind of gurus for each chapter
00:41:25that were different thinkers that i would like you know be sourcing from and he's the only one who was
00:41:30who was one of those people in every chapter yeah um he's kind of a you know i i don't agree with
00:41:35everything he says um he's a he's a giant um and this is before any of the antics you ever met him
00:41:41yeah yeah he's an actual giant no no yeah he's very tall oh he is yeah oh i don't know he sat down
00:41:47he's tall compared to us but he's not that's all yeah but he yeah for people you mentioned anxious
00:41:52generation yeah happiness right just mine last name yeah h-a-i-d-t and happiness hypothesis is
00:41:59one of my favorite books of all time he's also just such a coddling of the american such a sweet
00:42:03sincere guy yeah also i think if you're going to talk about stuff like that you get the potential for
00:42:10you to be right coded if you want to be effective you need to signal a lot of um uh placid peaceful
00:42:18empathetic understanding both sidesy energy because if you even begin to lean right and center
00:42:25it immediately looks like so my friend and i argue about this because i have a friend who's very
00:42:29conservative um and he's very smart he changes my mind about things sometimes sometimes he's over the
00:42:35top but he the he the he the people he can't stand the most are kind of jonathan hight coleman hughes
00:42:42these people who agree with who are who are you know i argue to him these people are fighting the
00:42:46causes you care about but they're doing it way more effectively than you would because they're actually
00:42:51reaching center-left people um and and and if you start immediately being like you know super tribal and
00:42:56super right-coded um you'll never reach any of them and he just sees them as such he calls them media
00:43:01kiss ups you know these people just they still want to be you know they they they need to uh
00:43:06they always need to make sure that like that the polite society approves of them and i i totally
00:43:10disagree with him because i think that john height is unbelievable has an unbelievable impact against
00:43:14those kind of over-the-top-left causes that he really doesn't like more effective yeah i don't yeah
00:43:20and i don't even view it it's not a partisan issue right i mean i would just because jonathan's so
00:43:25terrible at asking for money i would say as someone who plays with scientific funding and stuff like
00:43:31that if people are looking for ways to kind of bend the arc of history and undo some of the wrongs and
00:43:36ills of social media and so on i think funding some of what jonathan is up to with very small
00:43:43sums of money has a hugely disproportionate impact just coming back to your what has he done with his
00:43:48small team i just wanted to throw that out there the ripple effects of being able to genuinely you know
00:43:53push the needle with changing policy with kids and social media is one of the biggest impacts you
00:43:58could make i think on the planet right now for you won't you won't even know the effects of it but 30
00:44:03years from now i mean yeah yeah sim what have you brought from home you've got a bag it's look yeah
00:44:07i brought i've just done this conversation down a little bit i brought a bunch of show and tell items
00:44:12adult show and tell i like it fire up the autism engine
00:44:18so let's see i'll i'll start i'll start with a little engine that's yes i'll start with this so
00:44:24this is called bite okay and the subtitle is pretty simple now it's 124 bits but it's bits as in little
00:44:33pieces of what look like candy mouthwash bits and this was recommended to me by dr tommy wood he's a
00:44:40neuroscientist also a beast of an athlete but a very credible scientist very well published and he and i
00:44:47were having a conversation about different approaches for neuroprotection hopefully mitigating the risk of
00:44:54neurodegenerative disease and oral health is a really big one and yes you can brush your teeth
00:44:59yes you can use like a water pick or something like that but xylitol is really really compelling as an
00:45:06intervention so you could choose xylitol gum you could do this that and the other thing but i found
00:45:11ultimately everything i read so compelling that i started using these which he recommended and
00:45:17these are really simple you just well you're going to need water if you chew on it so you basically for
00:45:22travel but also at home rather than having mouthwash you take one of these i'll show what they look like
00:45:28i mean literally just looks like a little piece of candy or like an aspirin and we have water here
00:45:32well i'm going to spit it out you can't swallow it so or you probably shouldn't swallow it so you just
00:45:37you chew on it take like a couple tablespoons water in your mouth swish it around for 30 60 seconds then
00:45:43spit it out and that's it and you just do that better than normal mouthwash because of the xylitol
00:45:48content along with a couple of other things so for sort of antibacterial effects and i know people i'm not
00:45:55going to mention this person by name but md phd who had cavities started using xylitol twice a day
00:46:02and went back to the doctor or the dentist rather no cavities it's like it's pretty interesting that's
00:46:08end of one of course i don't know what's out there in the literature with respect to that
00:46:11but found it interesting enough and it's so lightweight as an intervention that i was like okay
00:46:16i will i will start doing that okay and anything that you can kind of just like have on your desk
00:46:23and just like pop one in and you know while you're is you'll do a lot more yeah i mean my compliance
00:46:28with this also with the amount of travel that i do is it tastes good it's really yeah yeah yeah just
00:46:33tastes like kind of like candy a friend of mine wanted me to get into organ meat and i'm like i'm
00:46:36not i'm not going to grind organ meat into my smoothie i'm sorry he does this that sounds
00:46:40gross and then he got me these these pills uh oh man desiccated liver i need to it's just
00:46:45natural supplements yes it's something like that and it's it's like i take five or six and whatever
00:46:49a day and i just because it's on my desk and i just see it there i pop it in and i do it every
00:46:54day now now i have organ this is so i understand when people are designing their workspace that you're
00:46:58supposed to keep it relatively undistracted like if you're going to be in creative flow mode maybe you
00:47:02do want some newspaper cuttings and like some cool art on the wall but for the most part we're trying
00:47:06to lock in and not get distracted you're so right having a an environment that pushes you toward
00:47:12behaviors that you want to do um sean puri has a basketball on his desk and he thinks better when
00:47:18he's tossing about i played ball sports as a kid it's the same my best ideas almost always come when
00:47:22i've got a tennis ball in my hands or some sort of and i'm just able to throw i don't know what's going
00:47:26on maybe it just distracts the front of my brain a little bit the other one is that ohm lamp that me
00:47:31and you have got so this is a lamp around about this big and there's a little stone on the top of it
00:47:36and the stone is an fda quality hrv sensor you just pick it up hold it in your hand and the light goes
00:47:43up and down and the sounds and it's using an algorithm to maximize your heart rate variability
00:47:49so it's resonance breathing that you can do in three minute chunks but the best thing is you can
00:47:53turn off all of the settings on it and it vibrates it's like haptic vibrates in your hand
00:47:57pick it up and hold it and you can watch a movie i've accumulated i went and checked because
00:48:01i talked about it on my newsletter this week i've done 160 hours of resonance breathing in six months
00:48:07just this year i've done 160 hours because i just grab it next time i've got one in my office one one
00:48:12here one there grab it and i just breathe in time with this vibrating thing so if you're watching
00:48:16something with just like subconscious and you're just tracking it up and down and it's it's adjusting
00:48:21based on what your heart rate is doing it's linked in with the wi-fi so it's link it once never think
00:48:26about it again the algorithm is cutting edge and all you do is you just grab this stone and hold
00:48:30it and breathe with it and it vibrates and there's one on my desk so if i'm about to sit on a call
00:48:34where i need to be quiet for ages i'll just grab it and have it i mean i don't hold it too close but
00:48:38you know what i mean uh yeah i have hundreds of fidget toys uh like of all different kinds and i get
00:48:43like i put i have a certain like dish on my desk that's that these are the ones that are in the
00:48:46rotation right now and i have all the whole archive back where'd you get your fidget toys oh my god
00:48:50well for instagram ads is deadly for me it's figured me out yeah um specs this there's a s-p-a-k-s dot com
00:48:57i think um is just that they have amazing like like soft silicone covered magnets and like stretchy
00:49:05things and uh i have silly putty and i've got these mechanical toys and uh you know it's it's an
00:49:12important thing for me that's why if i don't have those i'll bite my nails that's why these uh toothpick
00:49:16things or an equivalent but the newtonic nootropics are just a bit of an oral fixation if you're
00:49:22working away writing something your business partner josh uh because he's a real caffeine
00:49:27fiend like ex muay thai fighter now brazilian jiu-jitsu dude like kind of hardcore guy um just
00:49:33started stacking them on a morning and got onto a call i think it was with you and he had six in his
00:49:38mouth because he'd never taken any of the old ones out he just kept adding them in so he looked like a
00:49:42camel that was chewing on a bit of straw and he had all of these things poking out the front of his mouth
00:49:46yeah i i find that if you've ever been you know i don't know if you're like me but if i'm gonna if
00:49:50i if i'm sitting at my desk and a friend calls me and we're talking and then i get really like
00:49:55animated he says i say something i'm like yes and i want to make this point 100 i'm up and i'm walking
00:49:59pacing right and i'll even if i'm driving and i get home and i'm in a good phone call i'll just keep
00:50:05looping around because it's something about the movement um and then so i think well why am i sitting
00:50:09at my desk when i'm writing like it's probably something about my mind really lights up like it wants to
00:50:14physically move it's all tied together so like you know i'll just do a standing desk with one
00:50:18of those rockers or a treadmill you know they have these like little rockers and it's just kind of
00:50:22like i don't know it just keeps you moving but i don't know i just feel like yeah if i'm physically
00:50:26engaged have you ever played with dictation any ai dictation or anything as a way of brainstorming
00:50:32while walking i've been doing that recently i've done it for brainstorming like outlines of posts
00:50:37talking through it yeah um but even better for me if there's someone on the other end especially
00:50:41someone i like respect so this is my assistant alicia who's been working with me for 10 years
00:50:46she knows exactly what i'm working on and she's like you know really tapped in obviously so i will
00:50:50just sometimes say i'm stuck and we will do a call and she will basically say nothing but her being there
00:50:56and me she looks she will give feedback at the end sometimes but that's not she knows the game is
00:51:01he's going to talk to me now and he's going to crack his own thing by the end of this conversation
00:51:06this conversation so you don't record them or you do um i usually what i'll do is while i'm talking
00:51:11to her i'll say a lie and i'm like yes and i'll write it down i'm like where the hell was that when
00:51:14i was thinking alone i think that wasn't talking to someone so what my weirdest new habit that i've
00:51:18done is i've tried to essentially give up all thought by the brain so like so let me explain
00:51:26let me explain so lots of nitrous so most people or my former self existed in the kind of simmering six
00:51:37so the the middle kind of ambient rumination rumination rumination and the the big trend at
00:51:43the minute is the whole like retard maxing to stop thinking which i think is a bit ridiculous i think
00:51:47what you actually want is a barbell so you want sometimes you do the retard maxing mode and then
00:51:52sometimes you're doing the einstein maxing mode but that bit in the middle disappears so for me i
00:51:56stopped thinking in my brain i only about what i mean by thinking by the way is if it's like oh tim's
00:52:02got denim jeans on that's a thought that's okay but if as soon as i get into a wow i've got this thing
00:52:08tomorrow you could do the thing tomorrow and it's replaying the thing tomorrow it's doing the thing
00:52:11about tomorrow it's didn't think if i catch that going more than two or three loops it's okay i can
00:52:16either think with my hands so write it down and ralph order emerson described it as when you would
00:52:23write rather than think in your head you go from being drunk to sobering up because even the working
00:52:30memory that we have in our head is what like seven plus or minus two i'm probably at the five mark
00:52:35so you that's one of the reasons why you look you almost i got advised once by a cognitive behavioral
00:52:40therapist who said you would never do like even a moderate equation in your head yet we will do the
00:52:46most complex life decisions just there for years ruminating ruminating ruminating and it's an example
00:52:51of where the 10 000 hour rule actually doesn't work if anything you get worse and worse and worse so
00:52:55either think with my hands or as you mentioned then think with your mouth or think with your feet
00:53:00so as you're walking so as soon as i get in one of those loops i'm like it has to be no brain hands
00:53:05mouth feet i like that right yeah the uh story you just told resonated because when i was totally stuck
00:53:14on my first book for months like could not figure out how to crack this really important section and
00:53:21hired a woman who worked as a ghostwriter but i wasn't going to use her that way to interview me on
00:53:26a phone call and effectively just ended up talking and cracked it by the end of the conversation and i was
00:53:32like oh i just needed to get out of and like what is it so you're like self-referential there's a part of
00:53:38your brain that is capable of this thing and for some reason when you weren't talking you're thinking
00:53:43it's just not you're not accessing it like it's strange but it's really wild yeah well i assume if
00:53:50i had to think about from a neuroscience perspective you're probably using more of your default mode
00:53:53network as you're ruminating as you're moving your lips as you're moving your hands you're activating a
00:53:58different part of the brain and through the activity it's almost like you're just releasing the
00:54:02taps you must know from like kelly sarat's stuff and just the way that the human body and brain works
00:54:09why is it that we want to locomote as soon as we start thinking about something deeply or we have
00:54:12that conversation because it's the same for me if i get on a good call like even if i i now have a
00:54:17habit that if somebody just rings and i've got nothing to do i'll get up and go for a walk because
00:54:20hooray it's good to get steps in but there's other times where you start to get really animated
00:54:25and you just find yourself walking like what is it about the act of walking that makes thinking easier
00:54:29i'm not sure i i don't know i mean kelly starrett people should look up uh becoming the supple leopard
00:54:35he's very famous pt performance coach really knows what if you've ever used like a lacrosse ball to
00:54:41loosen up or like distraction with a band or something like that he popularized a lot of that
00:54:46stuff the couch stretch named by kelly etc so he's worth looking up i don't know there are people who do
00:54:53really well sitting still uh my fidget fix is like japanese east asian like pen spinning that's a whole
00:55:01thing um so that people can find like a 20 year old youtube video of me showing like the basics of this
00:55:06but i'll just sit there doing different types of spinning with a pen that's my move pacing also huge
00:55:14pacer for me i think it could be i'm just speculating here but occupying a part of your mind that is for
00:55:23instance like the monkey mind right i think this is part of the reason why flow states often include
00:55:29some kinesthetic component right whether it's music playing violin or something like that surfing whatever
00:55:35it might be uh i think that there is an occupying of certain cognitive faculties or
00:55:43looping mechanisms that is aided with physical movement but that's just it's like when my my 15
00:55:49month old is annoying me and i'm trying to do something i'll just like hand her something to
00:55:54occupy her and then she's like yeah it's like a little like there's like a 15 month old in my head
00:55:58that's like ah and i'm like shut up give something and then it's fiddle the fidget spinner hurry up and
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00:57:01question as you was talking earlier about the treadmills and all the fidget spinning devices and
00:57:05the instagram ads and you're buying stuff i had like a i was thinking in my head of if you was born
00:57:1210 years ago did you say if you was born if sorry if you were born again british english coming in it's
00:57:19not really i liked it yeah british people talk so much more cool than if you was born around about
00:57:2510 years ago listen here mate would you have been like diagnosed with adhd yeah this is like the age
00:57:32old question in my mind is do i have any am i a classic example of it or not and like i guess i don't
00:57:38know um i wonder if i were born yes in that age whether i would have been like medicated because i
00:57:43was a class clown and but i did well in school and it was never hard for me to like i always assume
00:57:47think of like real adhd is like you're sitting during a test and you're just like you can't focus
00:57:51on the test you need extra time that was once i had adrenaline like oh i was like i could focus really
00:57:56well so i don't know i don't know i don't know what do you get calmer with stimulants are there
00:58:01certain stimulants where you end up like actually calming down and focusing or do you get agitated
00:58:06with stimulants or something for me what it is is like there's like a perfectionism that is is if once
00:58:12i is i can't transition i'm awful at transitioning i will procrastinate from starting work for hours
00:58:18and once i get have to start once i'm in it now i'll get going and then someone will interrupt like
00:58:24and i'll miss dinner because i just want to keep working so it's like it's it's it's this weird like
00:58:28i i'm very a lot of inertia for whatever i'm doing and that to me is a huge thing it's just like
00:58:34uh there's no adult around making me start work and i grew up with that as a crutch always i had to go
00:58:40to class i had to finish this i had to and now there's no one so i will just self-defeat for hours
00:58:45and waste the good part of the day and then finally so that's why i wouldn't again another thing i'd do
00:58:49with my with alicia is uh alicia's your sister yes i will share my screen with her at like 10 a.m
00:58:57and she got to be working on you got to be very careful with that depending on how your day goes
00:59:02yeah you have spaces you go to a safe space um and and she uh is working on her own thing i don't know
00:59:09when she's looking at my screen and when she's not she's probably not usually but she might be
00:59:13and so i'm not going to procrastinate in front of someone that's mortified you've created a digital
00:59:17panopticon yeah it's it's great there are services that allow you to do this they'll pair you with
00:59:21someone else and you work and you work at the same time i can't recall it has to be someone that really
00:59:26knows like if i'm on a certain research page they might not know is he procrastinating he's not
00:59:30she'll be like that's not relevant anybody you're doing you know like you're going too far will she
00:59:34actually police you um she she usually she's very like tim no porn hub until 2 p.m yeah she uh she
00:59:41will say something about that that that will not that's just world war i tell you what i've got two
00:59:48things uh number one we've discussed this earlier i'm always trying to um create new vocabulary for
00:59:55myself i feel it activates a certain part of the brain do you remember my favorite word that i uh
01:00:00invented five six years ago that you love fly dripping yeah fly dripping so i was i was once stood at a
01:00:06toilet and you know men do this where they piss around the seat and i was like what's the word for
01:00:12that wait piss around the seat yes you know when somebody urinates on the toilet seat
01:00:17i usually try to avoid this exactly yeah public toilets there's a bit of public toilets you may
01:00:22see it right um so i kind of came up with the term fly dripping for that and what's useful about
01:00:27beginning to create your own language is i mean i have to talk about the benefits of language as i'm
01:00:32using language interesting this is the first word that you develop that's the first word that i develop
01:00:37or terms as a whole so one of the things that worked with the high agency piece that i did or even just
01:00:42having that language meant that i had a name for essentially an idea that people already knew or
01:00:49that i already knew but it compressed like 5 000 words into two words and then i was like hold on
01:00:55i don't have a term for that that's quite meta i don't have a term for that and then scott alexander
01:01:00had this term called an idea handle so an idea handle you can kind of pick up ideas by like coining
01:01:05terms so the two ones i've been trying to coin last week um at the following so number one kesha's law
01:01:14so like the artist kesha kesha's law is whenever you're creating art try not to use any modern
01:01:20references because it may come back to bite you in the arse so the the artist kesha i love i love by
01:01:25the way formerly known this this may not be the best podcast in the world but we have the highest range
01:01:28we've gone from black holes to kesha say what you want about the quality but you can't knock the range
01:01:35um kesha her number one song was started with wake up in the morning feeling like p diddy
01:01:44so that's tough now so what she did so what do you do if you have to retcon her own song yes
01:01:49so what she did was wake up in the morning feeling like me flops so now when did she do that so um quite
01:01:57recently in terms of the rebrand around the whole p diddy escapades now she's come out and done wake
01:02:02up in the morning p diddy which is a little bit better but she doesn't really fit the story but
01:02:09ultimately if you put a p diddy bottleneck in there where is the comma in that sentence wake up in the
01:02:14morning comma diddy kesha's law so whenever you're creating things you've got to avoid modern things
01:02:20another law i've tried to create recently i was watching i don't know if you guys have seen the
01:02:25new michael jackson documentary on netflix and there's a scene in there it's only so much neverland
01:02:30i can handle yeah yes yeah i forgot i forgot tim sorry to bring it up you can walk out if you need
01:02:35to um there's a scene in there that's explained some stuff that we've discussed of imagine you have
01:02:43an axis like here so you have um essentially being an awful person or crimes that you might be able to
01:02:50commit and i'm not even going to discuss michael's ones just yet and then you have talent so as you go
01:02:56the talent can essentially get out of the axis and mj's okay people are like he's too funny it's fine
01:03:02well mj and there's something about music that like for example no offense to you chris i think
01:03:07you're a lovely podcaster okay but if you started noncing right if you became like a i'm not talented
01:03:14enough to get away with nobody's like nobody is like going yeah but yeah you know what i mean like
01:03:20people but music so this is the crazy thing so michael is in the defense for this pedophilia charge
01:03:26and there's the um the guy who did a documentary on him and they're showing the documentary so it's
01:03:33where michael's kind of got his hand around a child and they're like talking about the child's
01:03:38talking about how he didn't want to go into michael's bed but michael uh asked him to come into his bed
01:03:44so they're playing the whole documentary as proof of potentially his crimes but within the documentary
01:03:49it plays some of his music so what's interesting you have both the defense um the judge the jury
01:03:56and even the defense said when they played billy jean yeah i saw himself doing that he saw the judge
01:04:04nodding his head as like wow mj's law you could be the defense could hear your music and still bob their
01:04:12head and you still get you're giving them like actual like pleasurable dopamine hits and that makes
01:04:17that disendearing yes there's some we talk about this a lot uh of people that are in the pop culture
01:04:24thinkers speakers artists whatever how who is it that's got the largest bank account that they could
01:04:32withdraw from before they go into bill cosby was probably number one and and he if you had asked
01:04:39me before all the the bill cosby scandal came out um i would have been like bill cosby's the number one
01:04:46like like least likely to be cancelled person and it turns out what he did was so bad that if you're
01:04:53gonna you know like actually like roofie uh dozens and dozens of like young women that you're uh promising
01:05:00like career breaks too that is so bad that like even bill cosby that you can't even you know correct
01:05:06but yes you didn't have a masama makusa yeah i think that's true if bill cosby had released a
01:05:11banger i think music weirdly yeah it's almost comedy before music seems to destroy the human brain more
01:05:18than comedy yeah so for example if you really dislike a comedian or they've done something awful you can
01:05:22almost not find them funny which is why i used the example then if chris was in court again i'm not
01:05:26planting these rumors but if chris was in court for doing something horrific and they pulled up his 4k set with
01:05:30matthew mcconaughey doesn't do anything but there's something about music someone really funny i think
01:05:34it does have some of the same effect but not to the level not to the level now another example would be
01:05:39and this doesn't work for the whole population but political tribalism is like this just powerful drug
01:05:45that just makes brains crazy and so if you're political tribe you're really try if you're a really
01:05:51politically tribal person and the person that you are that is you know part of your team you'll forgive
01:05:57like anything and you can see this with a lot of famous politicians today you can like uh and it's
01:06:04uh i think that the the people of the that tribe or you can see with like you know other kinds of
01:06:09tribalism like there are many people who refuse jesse smollett is innocent he was and there's every
01:06:17bit of evidence but like because it gets tapped into a really tribal thing the people that see him is like
01:06:22on our side and the people criticizing him are the bad guys like there's nothing that could make them turn on
01:06:26it could i workshop a new word with you guys right now shoot all right i've been struggling with this
01:06:32because i like doing the same thing i like these the invention of words right and so like i'll give
01:06:39two examples of ones that that i'm i'm proud of rightly or wrongly one is a word tell adultery
01:06:45so tell adultery is when you and your partner have watched a show together and then someone
01:06:51separately watches more episodes without you oh that's good television very good exactly what it
01:06:58feels like yeah tell adultery you're like how could you right yeah and then uh the the newer one which
01:07:04is like ah it's not quite as good but i like it there's something there is hallucinatives like the
01:07:09first generations to assume that llm responses are fact to do no cross-checking hallucinatives right
01:07:16it's like ah it's not bad i mean it's not as good as tell adultery is going to stick in the lexicon
01:07:21that one i put up this like probably 10 years ago on twitter so back when it was twitter so
01:07:25so we'll see i stick fly dripping i i stick fly dripping's not bad um it's just such a niche
01:07:31issue oh it's such a the one i want i'll tell you some mcdonald's and that's the zenies the fight
01:07:38start niche start niche the the one that i've been trying to figure out is and this maybe i'm the only
01:07:43one i don't think i am where everyone is so overwhelmed with notifications and on their phones
01:07:49that at least most of my friends have do not disturb on so they'll be like sure man call me and then you
01:07:55call them and it goes straight to voicemail and they're like no problem i'll call you straight
01:07:57back they call you back and it goes straight to voicemail so it's this like do not disturb death
01:08:02loop and but i have not been able to come up with like a pithy word for this i i always joked
01:08:10that if i could have a job it would essentially be this so if i could have any job in the world
01:08:16that i would do for free coming up with these words yeah the the one i so this type of thing or
01:08:20it would be like you probably don't get it as much in america but in the uk you have the proper
01:08:24british red tops so it'll be the and they did horrific things but what's a red top red top will
01:08:29be like the newspaper like proper like scummy newspapers but they'll have something like wayne
01:08:33rooney's shagged a prostitute that's a grandma and they're running the story tomorrow and they need
01:08:38someone to write the headline oh it's like a new york post new york post yeah the ability to just i
01:08:42actually hate the articles but the ability for just somebody to give me a story and then just say we
01:08:46need four words we need some horrible pun yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm thinking about like disturb loop
01:08:55like or a do not loop or uh disturbipede which makes me think about like the human centipede
01:09:03uh like ouroboros like playing something into that could be fun or something with a boomerang
01:09:07we could throw that one out to the audience too yeah that's one's in the comments below for when you
01:09:11ring someone and it's do not disturbing i will say like in as a blogger do not disturb all the way down
01:09:16like explaining things and coming up with like terms and stuff like that and it's like most of
01:09:20the terms don't stick and the the the like the posts are ideas of mine that have gone most viral
01:09:27or just stuck around the most or almost always like where i nailed the term and it really is like
01:09:32it is such an important thing because if you can really i mean look look at cancel culture it was this
01:09:38concept people said you know where the people are there's too much political correctness or like you
01:09:42know we're it's a little bit you know it's like it feels like there's witch hunts it wasn't quite
01:09:46getting it and then this one term alliteration labeled it yes and that exposes it now you're
01:09:51acting kind of like that and it just it did a number on it it was really like it was it was a
01:09:56powerful it changed the the the culture war this term i mean so you can examples like that are just so
01:10:01and people who can do that really well oh can i throw out one more related to that bigoteer
01:10:06like a racketeer someone who labels others for profit or gain of some type of bigoteer right very nice
01:10:14that's right uh so what are some of the blog posts that have really nailed the terminology
01:10:19like you mentioned the ted talk that's gone really viral and i think part of what was successful there
01:10:25was procrastination is something that so many people experience and was just again putting labels to
01:10:31things like i called that that when you are procrastinating i said you know i described you're in
01:10:37the the dark playground and it's a specific thing where you're you're you're you're digging around
01:10:42social media you're you're texting with your friends looking up one of your blog posts you're
01:10:46you're texting with your friends and you're you're doing whatever and and it is you're in the
01:10:50playground you're having fun right it's leisure time but it's not fun at all this is just dread and
01:10:56guilt and stress and anxiety that you're here and you know you should start working and you feel this
01:11:01it's not fun that's why it's the dark playground but now i get messages from you know mothers that
01:11:06are saying my son my nine-year-old son said oh mom i'm in the dark playground i need to get out and
01:11:09it's like okay you know that was a successful term and it's like yes yeah it's interesting yeah the
01:11:14leverage what about the leverage that exists i'm so sorry what about the tail end yeah is that am i
01:11:19uniquely affected by that no no that one and that's do you guys know this blog post yes i think so yeah
01:11:24you should describe it because this was sent to me by a friend matt mullenweg and like it's
01:11:29i still think about it constantly you remember the guy that sent it to you yeah oh yeah yeah you
01:11:33want to dad if yeah so this was this is why i like blogging because i want to take lots of swings at
01:11:38the bat swings swings at the bat because then you might hit a home run once in a while and you don't
01:11:43know which ones but if you're just doing that's why books is like one giant swing over three years i don't
01:11:47like that um and this is an example of one where i was procrastinating during the spacex post i was
01:11:51writing the spacex post and i was like you know what i should really do is write another blog post
01:11:56yeah classic classic thing i was like i have an idea i'm just gonna do instead of doing this like
01:12:01big giant mountain i'm just gonna like i'm just gonna do this little idea that i've had for a long
01:12:04time but then i like thought about it in bed in the morning and i was like oh okay i know how i want
01:12:08to do it and then i just got up and did it in a couple hours and it made it it's one of those that
01:12:13really made a big impact um and the idea is that um so one of the things i like to do is just like
01:12:22use visuals or whatever to look at how much time we have i like to zoom out and i don't want to just
01:12:26unconsciously go through life and then be like oh wow like look how much time passed i never i want
01:12:30to be like how much let's just look at it how many weeks are there left if i live to 90 like let's just
01:12:36let's just see this for what it is and so i'm not like caught you know i'm not blindsided by it later
01:12:41um and so i would think about okay i've you know even just watching the world cup i'm like
01:12:45maybe i have 12 world cups left depending on like longevity research um and that's if i'm lucky you
01:12:50know and how many christmases yeah exactly so i do this kind of thing but then i kind of had a
01:12:55disturbing thought which was not all of the important things in life are evenly distributed world cups
01:13:01christmases are christmases are um i grew up spending 350 days a year with my parents or whatever you
01:13:09know when i got older went to camp maybe 330 over 300 days a year with my parents um and my sisters
01:13:16and um and then you graduate and you know you you you move either go to college or whatever you're
01:13:24doing you know you if you if you move out of the city especially you might see your parents i don't
01:13:29know 10 days a year 20 days a year i don't know uh if they live in your city maybe you see them 80 days
01:13:34a year whatever but either way the number is much smaller and so then i you know i was like well if
01:13:39you actually add up the total number if i just say i'm seeing them 15 days a year right now so that's
01:13:44i need 20 years now to capture one year of parent time when i was a kid i was like wow if you look
01:13:52at the whole number i'm 95 way of the way through with my in-person relationship with my parents
01:13:58and i would this was i had this thought when you graduate high school yeah yeah yeah exactly when
01:14:01you graduate so now i'm even older right and so um and this is if you're lucky if your parents live
01:14:06long lives um and it was super depressing and also one of those things where i'm like i need to this
01:14:12some thoughts i have that are you know or ideas that are depressing and don't serve any positive
01:14:17purpose i'm not going to do that i'm not going to just share my misery and spread it um
01:14:22this i was like no this is important we need to look at this we need to look at this uh for you know
01:14:26two reasons one if you are living in california and your parents are in new york or whatever and
01:14:31you are seeing them 10 days a year and that's just a reality um or again with a friend there's some
01:14:36friends i saw all the time in high school that i i'll see once every five years now once every five
01:14:40years sometimes these are close friends um i might see that friend 10 more times period i might see my
01:14:47parents only i don't know 200 more times 150 100 more times and so if that's the reality being like
01:14:55staring it in the face and being aware of it will at least make you treat those times you are together
01:14:59as what they are which is precious or also you can maybe make a big change i've had people tell me
01:15:05they moved back home to where their parents are because of this post because if you go from living
01:15:12in california till you move back home and you see them now 60 days a year you actually just brought
01:15:18that percentage down oh instead of being 94 done i'm only 81 done like what that's a you can change
01:15:23the equation so it's this actually really empowering thing or at least you know i'm not living in the
01:15:27same city as my parents but i'm i've become like so adamant about like we need to all see each other
01:15:31every eight weeks like somewhere it needs to be revisit revisit my sisters there then we visit home
01:15:35then we have thanksgiving then you should all come here for this so it's like it's helped motivate me
01:15:39to i mean and again it's not pleasant but having the delusion that we have endless time together
01:15:44uh is not helpful it encourages a bias for action yeah one of the worst things to do is to identify
01:15:50something uncomfortable that it feels like you can't change your fix that is where people really
01:15:57really don't like you know this is how bad social media is for you and people push back against that
01:16:02a lot because i i feel i feel like it's out of my control i kind of agree with the problem but you
01:16:08haven't yet given me or the solution feels a little bit more out of reach than that i mean i just start
01:16:12i personally started taking my whole family on a family trip every like year to two years and did
01:16:18that up until my parents were physically in incapable of doing it but like that post was a real catalyst
01:16:24conversations that i had with matt and other people about it and i was like okay like look i'm not
01:16:29going to move back home i don't have any desire to live in the middle of nowhere but at least we can
01:16:35block out like two to three weeks of concentrated time where we're sharing these adventures together
01:16:40with the anticipation of the trip leading up to it which is a big piece of it we have the memories and
01:16:44photos is that from you that from you is one of my favorite ideas look at this just mutually
01:16:48fellating each other um one of my favorite things for you is that most you promised it in the text to me so
01:16:53here we are true oh uh like bonnie blue um right you're right you're inside it range dude it's the
01:17:00most the highest range highest on the planet um your idea that the holiday that you go on you should
01:17:07book them as far out in advance as possible because so much of the enjoyment is done in anticipation
01:17:12so there was this great study done a while ago i did uh my master's dissertation on the effectiveness
01:17:18of anti-alcohol advertising on students at newcastle university i wanted to see what sort
01:17:22of interventions we could do to try and reduce this is when uh drinking was a problem not not drinking
01:17:27which is now the new problem uh but the uh thing that i realized is doing a little bit of reading
01:17:33and a bit of research around this was a study was done looking at when people enjoy nights out the most
01:17:41and this included people that were drinking so you'd think how many drinks deep is it is it when you
01:17:45arrive at the nightclub is when the music the mainline dj comes on the headline dj and every
01:17:51everyone's there and they're having a great time no it was in the flat in the apartment as you were
01:17:56getting ready for the night out like the middle of the bullseye of dopamine and human satisfaction is
01:18:02things are about to get a little bit better than friday at 3 p.m at work is the happier moment
01:18:07than like midday saturday correct correct and by the way the alt the the inverse of that is if you
01:18:11if something shitty is if that i'm going to dread is on my plate i want to know about it as late as
01:18:16possible i i had six months to think about that i have a ted talk hanging over that's going to add
01:18:21this horrifying thing over the horizon i wish someone had just told me a month before you have to if you
01:18:24want me to speak at your wedding tell me freaking 10 days before do not give me six months where i'm
01:18:29like after that wedding i have to come up with a really good speed oh that's so good yeah because
01:18:33you're front-loading the pain exactly as well as front so you want to know about good things
01:18:37we're ahead and you want to tell me about the gangbanger you're in advance but tell me about
01:18:40the tax return one week before depends on the details which side of the gaming band you want to be
01:18:45that's true that's true um the the most depressing version of um your kind of tail end thing it's
01:18:53this old proverb in um china and it's essentially goes along the lines of like the saddest feeling
01:19:00in the world is to grow the desire to take care of your parents only to realize they're no longer there
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01:20:18there's a great line that i came across i wanted to read to you guys it's from salhi gune it says
01:20:23you'll regret it if you get married you'll regret it if you don't get married you'll regret it if you
01:20:27have kids and you'll regret it if you don't kicker god said this 200 years ago as follows whatever you
01:20:32choose you'll regret it because the problem isn't in your choices it's in romanticizing a life grass is
01:20:37always greener a person always finds an untraveled path alluring and mysterious that's why the issue
01:20:43isn't making the right choice it's choosing and deciding which regret you'll live with and that was
01:20:47that douglas murray line in life we must choose our regrets and you go okay in advance of a big decision
01:20:54you might want to think which decision do i want to live with but the better question is which regret
01:20:59could i not bear living with yeah that's the one it's a little like if you're you know someone who
01:21:04you can't be too perfectionist about finding your life partner it's like which flawed person and
01:21:09flawed relationship are you going to choose and and each one is going to have a different set of flaws
01:21:13and i think in both of these cases internalizing that is very helpful because it can make you realize
01:21:20that if i have regrets it doesn't mean something horribly wrong happened if this if marriage is
01:21:25imperfect it doesn't mean i did something wrong like it's in and so it can help you accept which
01:21:31is half the battle i mean it's like regret is only really painful when you feel like i wish i could i
01:21:37i made a huge mistake as opposed to like this is part of a call that i made yet so thinking about uh
01:21:42pendulum swinging in one direction or the other going from we were worried about binge drinking in 2010
01:21:47when i wrote my dissertation and now in 2026 we're worried about sobriety culture coming and taking away
01:21:52the way that people are able to communicate and spend time and socialize an equivalent for this
01:21:56i think and i've messaged scott galloway about this too uh as a famously unmarried man in his 30s
01:22:04the conversation of you don't need to think that deeply about your life partner to now a lot of
01:22:10the biggest reels that scott's done and and uh warren buffett um the single most important decision
01:22:15that you're going to make in your life is your life partner this is a piece of advice that
01:22:20distributes unevenly to people it makes people who are already prone to overthinking feel even more
01:22:25pressure meanwhile the people that were just blasé making decisions on vibes are just coasting through
01:22:30it and it's applying even more pressure i think this is it's a noble insight which is hey this is an
01:22:36important decision and if you choose if you choose wrong it can make your life hell but the don't choose
01:22:44wrong turns into i must perfect i must become a perfectionist in choosing right and it creates
01:22:50paralysis of analysis this is david epstein's new book inside the box money by the way really really
01:22:55good yeah it's really um but yeah that that that what's the basic premise that i have an old one
01:23:01one to recommend too constraints breed uh creativity oh yeah if if i mean he he is really great at
01:23:09bringing stories together but he has this uh what's it called the magic company what was that uh it was
01:23:15all of the engineers from apple um and it was the the first ever goldman sachs idea ipo so they didn't
01:23:23even have a product but they just had such an amazing team that they ipo'd just with ideas and
01:23:29they were able to do they had unlimited budget they'd ipo'd before they had a product and he gives
01:23:33this example of a story where they were going to create basically the iphone before the iphone
01:23:38and one of the engineers said i'm going to run it from uh 1904 let's say it's going to be 100 years
01:23:44something like that let's say and another engineering team came in and said well why do it from then why
01:23:48not do it from further back because people might be doing using apps for historical recording and so
01:23:54it's okay well i'll do it from year zero and we'll get up to 2004 whenever it is and another team came
01:23:59in and said well that's stupid why don't you go all the way back to the beginning of time so that
01:24:03we've got a full calendar that people can and it ended up what could have been four lines of code
01:24:07turned into this huge unwieldy project this is general magic if you don't it's the general magic that
01:24:12was it there's a great documentary on this and it's also like if i can interject for a second it's
01:24:17like uh yoda warski's dune i don't know if you guys have ever seen this documentary it's about this
01:24:21ill-fated attempt to make a dune movie which was just like i guess it was made by this crazy man
01:24:27named yoda warski and it goes through all these disasters and it didn't work out but the team
01:24:35ended up being geiger who designed the alien and so on the the talent density of that failed project
01:24:44was so high it's hard to believe this is true of general magic too right you had like
01:24:48very very young tony fidel who went on to create the ipod and the iphone you've got the person went
01:24:54on to create android uh it's it's kind of nuts and despite that or in this i say in spite of in spite of
01:25:04having this incredible talent density it's like if you don't have constraints well if you have a lot of
01:25:08brilliant people with a lot of ideas that could actually be a fatal recipe correct yeah constraints
01:25:14this is another which they said coming up with the term is really important well it's also just like
01:25:18i don't know just getting a certain like
01:25:22uh anchor concept that can help anchor your rationality so like one of the things i've always
01:25:28thought about with relationships for perfection because i'm i'm like this and one of the times when i was
01:25:33able to kind of like finally you know pull the pin yeah is because i i think i grew up a little bit
01:25:39and was in enough relationships and i was like again the fact that like every they're all flawed
01:25:43every single one so but you also don't want to be like well they're all flawed so this relationship
01:25:48is fine and it's actually really bad like right so it's it's more like what are of their if there's
01:25:5330 things you would love to have in a partner um you're 100 going to be missing a bunch of those
01:25:59in every partner but what are your deal breakers like actually think about two or three or four
01:26:05don't get too much with these that are like this is critical to me like i i will not marry someone
01:26:10who does not you know whatever i was gonna say on both sides of the fence because they can be things
01:26:14that you must not have yes and things that you must have exactly and and i think it's a mistake
01:26:21it's not being perfectionist enough to sacrifice on those deal breakers and i think it's being way too
01:26:26much of a perfectionist to be like ah you know it's like she's not you know she doesn't love to uh jam
01:26:30music with me and i did that with my previous you know girlfriend and that's a must like you can't
01:26:34have a ton of those or you're never gonna ever no one's ever gonna be enough one of the biggest
01:26:39issues in relationships that uh people don't talk about enough are uh bedtime lag issues like if you
01:26:45don't go to bed and wake up within maybe an hour of your partner i think that there's a lot that
01:26:51you're missing like just literally you're missing out on a lot of time together but i think it causes an
01:26:55awful lot of uh friction between you and your partner because like you're gonna be woken up when
01:27:00they get into bed they're gonna be woken up when you get out of bed sleep's really important there's
01:27:03health effects gonna begin to resent them if they come in at a different time maybe some people are
01:27:07laissez-faire enough or a deep enough sleeper that it doesn't really matter but i think aligning the
01:27:12sleep rhythm is probably one of the sort of unseen that should be uh in order to get into the
01:27:18conversation that's probably across the board a piece of advice that most people should i'll play devil's
01:27:22advocate just because i have historically had very strange gap relationship yeah yeah i mean in some
01:27:28very good relationships including my current relationship but it's a few hours i would say
01:27:33very often it's like one to two hour gap she'll get up before i do uh i think it can work if you are okay
01:27:40with going to bed at different times also as soon as you have a puppy or a child like you're on the same
01:27:45schedule right because or someone's doing the morning the other person's going to sleep so
01:27:49actually it might actually be adaptive yeah if you've got someone that goes to bed at three in
01:27:53the morning typically and you're like okay well you're obviously going to do the night shift up
01:27:56until three and then if your missus is usually getting up at five it's all right we'll just run
01:28:00that back a little bit earlier and then i usually i'm up a little later and i'll usually like close
01:28:04down the house and like clean up the kitchen a little bit and like turn off all the lights and like
01:28:07take the dog out and then like she'll be more likely to wake up and do morning stuff before we move on from
01:28:12terms we are still struggling to name this podcast series it's currently rabbit hole which is the
01:28:17the working title but we're still struggling was it uh fuck me good dudes good vibe rabbit hole he's
01:28:24pretty good fuck me yeah yeah autist that fire up the autism engine was another one obviously but uh
01:28:30yeah it's wrong with this rabbit hole described what we've done today which has gone down 20 20
01:28:34rabbit holes i mean yeah you know underground burrow to a different rabbit hole and then come back
01:28:38it's funny the uh the power of a name though right you know here's a little here's a little test for
01:28:43you here we go have you ever heard of a book called women love and relationships no no because nobody
01:28:50fucking did right so this book released i think it was in the 80s or the 90s sold nothing so he came
01:28:57along changed the title and just jazzed it up a little bit to men are from mars women are from venus and
01:29:05it was the best-selling book of the 90s and just it was the basically the same book different title
01:29:12well it's like uh when's the last time you had patagonian toothfish not recently right chilean sea
01:29:21yeah now we're talking i don't want a question given that we've got we've got two authors and one
01:29:27fledgling author at the table what is a book that you think is amazing but failed because of its name
01:29:33oh great question
01:29:40so mine my my kind of go-to for this is a little bit niche but it's mate by tucker maxx and jeffrey
01:29:45miller to become the man women want the evolutionary psychology inspired dating book for men is that a
01:29:53bad title or is it just too generic it i just think it should have done because models by mark manson
01:29:58also i reckon had he have given it a little bit more magic would have been because it's still great
01:30:03and so like relatively well but could have been significantly better for what it was made by tucker
01:30:08maxx and jeffrey miller is one of the best if not the best book for guys to understand understand how
01:30:12women think understand what their fears are it's very like sort of both sides of the spectrum in terms of
01:30:17being understanding about women being pro men without being too apologetic and it rips and i think they even
01:30:24renamed it once i'm not sure why uh but it's that's just one that comes to mind like that book was so
01:30:31good and it it didn't take off and i feel like there was a big unlock in in the name i think with a
01:30:36book it helps i think with like certain things like a company or even like a blog maybe it's like like
01:30:43xkcd i think if i were advising my friend before that started i would have been like no one's it's just
01:30:48four random letters like no one's gonna explain what that is yeah someone will be like you should
01:30:51you should read that blog it has the four letters they'll be like what it's obviously a massive
01:30:56success um you want to explain what it is for people um xkcd is randall monroe's uh he's this
01:31:01you know brilliant com he's a you know he does he does a three comic monday wednesday friday he
01:31:05also puts out books like comic strip yeah it's a comic strip but it's like nerdy and science and
01:31:10he's just it's amazing um and uh it has a giant around forever yeah cult following yeah he's been
01:31:16doing it forever and um and he probably gets more reads than like anything in like the you know the
01:31:21comics of the newspapers these days i mean he's probably bigger than um but um so i think although
01:31:26maybe the fact that not everyone's heard of him maybe maybe it would be even bigger i mean that that's
01:31:29that's true i don't know um uh i i think i say people say what's your blog's name wait but why and
01:31:34they go what and i'm like i'm sorry and it's i just was looking on i was looking on uh godaddy and i was
01:31:41like i need a domain that has a dot com and i had like my hundredth idea and i was like okay that's
01:31:46one and i had like a small list of ones that actually had dot coms and i was like sure i think
01:31:51like it names in certain situations are overrated i think with books probably not i think books maybe
01:31:57is something that it's uh but i think you know i think company names i think if i see a lot of really
01:32:02dumb company names yeah i think it depends a lot on the nature of the company i'm literally having this
01:32:06conversation with one startup right now like whether to keep or change and in their case i don't think
01:32:12it matters because they're b2b and selling in a very like long sales cycle to sophisticated buyers
01:32:19as opposed to a product that is like b2c where it's like a consumer facing product where you want
01:32:26people to be able to easily say hey have you tried x and if they can't remember x you're kind of dead in
01:32:32water i do have a book example uh there are a lot of books that didn't do particularly well but i don't
01:32:39think it was solely due to the title this one i think might be title related i've probably sold half
01:32:45the copies that this book has sold in total at this point because i've talked about it and i have a
01:32:50bookshelf in my guest bedroom with just this book for people to yank but awareness anthony de mello
01:32:57anthony de mello yeah and it's got you know the subtitles the perils and opportunities of reality
01:33:01that's the better subtitle that they they change the subtitle the conversations with the masters
01:33:06which makes no sense to me because this conversation with one guy in transcribed uh conversations but
01:33:12that book if i had to pick one book to read on an annual basis that would probably be the one
01:33:20i mean i have some other close runner-ups but that that one for sure and it's so short why what's the
01:33:25kind of reflection symbol but i i would say this so that i mean the it is honing your ability to observe
01:33:33your own thinking and your own state and without that meta ability i think you're
01:33:43you're striving to develop other faculties is severely if not wholly handicapped right you have to be able to
01:33:51sort of observe to the extent that you can without enhancement there are certain drugs and so on that
01:33:56help with this or practices like different types of meditation but without any augmentation
01:34:02it's very hard to look at your operating system right what are the biases what are the weights almost
01:34:06as if you were an ai model right like what has been built into like the confirmation bias and the
01:34:12narratives over time that you inherited from parents or whoever it might be that have not actually been
01:34:17stress tested that you didn't arrive at through any type of first-hand experience or maybe there was
01:34:22one outlying experience that was tremendously painful and therefore you lived from that point forward for
01:34:2815 years with this filter on reality which actually isn't defensible but it's sitting in the background
01:34:35governing how you make decisions uh and it's it's incredibly colloquial it's lectures that were
01:34:41transcribed and cleaned up and it's unforgiving in its delivery it's like it's very uh harsh so some people
01:34:50don't like it it's very in your face in some ways but uh i have had so many people friends of mine
01:34:57including people who are very very accomplished either get either get more done or i feel like they have
01:35:07removed like gauze from their eyes or pain from their life or all of the above after reading this book
01:35:13it's like 150 it's called awareness awareness yeah it's a red cover by anthony de mello he was a he
01:35:18was a jesuit priest also a psychotherapist and he's pulling from a lot of different traditions but it's
01:35:26it's very pithy you would i mean i think all you guys would like it but i was thinking of you george because
01:35:31of the naming right his sort of idea handles that you then carry forward the stories that he tells i
01:35:40mean i've read it like 20 times so of course i've had some reps but even after one reading the stories
01:35:44that stick with people are so compelling and funny it's a funny book it's a really sticky effective book
01:35:54i think that winzip file of i say that one word and it unlocks this entire you know we i still
01:36:01have an obsession with language i've always loved language since i was a kid and one of the problems
01:36:05if you do 1100 podcast episodes where you're kind of obsessed with language is you can sometimes get
01:36:09nerdy on it and you can start aphorism maxing maxim maxing and uh but for me it's really important
01:36:16if i've got a single sentence that explains a huge concept one of the best ones i came up with last
01:36:21year was idea uh advice hyper responders so advice doesn't land evenly people who have a predisposition
01:36:28toward it tend to take it on board a lot while the people that didn't already pay attention to it just
01:36:31coast past unchanged i'm like fuck like that explains so much of why certain people have their traits
01:36:38exaggerated while the people that the advice is actually for like the prescription to work harder
01:36:43seems to be absorbed much more by people who are already working too hard than people who don't work
01:36:47hard enough and that now explains it opens up this entire world for me and it was a term that i needed
01:36:54for myself and that if you're a super successful author who's got like a ton of readers and distributes
01:37:00all of this stuff out like you can move the entire sort of cognitive topography of everybody that comes
01:37:07into contact with it and then people who don't even know the book or don't even know where it comes from
01:37:11yeah that spreads even bigger than the readers meme being one of them right catches on too and starts
01:37:17to change the world for the advice hyper responder was there any examples of some maybe bad advice that
01:37:23you hyper responded to and then some good advice that you have ignored or still ignore to this day i think
01:37:28the one about working harder is is a good example of that as a person whose proclivity predisposition was
01:37:35always to lean into i'm not doing enough i should be working more i need to be more diligent i already
01:37:40pay way too much attention to stuff and it sounded to me like type a advice for type b people i just
01:37:47took that advice on for me as a type a person and it made it worsened my imbalances as opposed to
01:37:53correcting them uh but it's the thing that's interesting about that the type a advice for type b people or
01:37:59type a people have type b problems and type b people have type a problems the reason that's particularly
01:38:03interesting is that on average maybe more people do need david goggins screaming in their face to go
01:38:08harder than eckhart tolle whispering in their ear that they're already enough perhaps that across the
01:38:14whole world it would be better for more people to pay more attention and work harder but for a certain
01:38:19cohort of people mostly people that listen to podcasts like this one they actually need to hear the
01:38:23opposite message they need to be rest day maxing not work day maxing and uh which ties into
01:38:28maxing yeah but that ties into awareness i mean that's where i think like the most important
01:38:32possible skill you can develop is self-awareness and just being able to see i go too far here i'm
01:38:38not going to listen to that advice and if you if you see that about yourself you're not going to fall
01:38:41into that trap as much um one of the problems with that prescription though is that people who are
01:38:45already self-aware will take more self-awareness on mm-hmm yeah and then too much self-awareness
01:38:50is not great is restricting yeah yeah too self-conscious and everything you do and bingo
01:38:54yeah yeah yeah it's true yeah you also probably self-awareness is yeah when you think too much
01:39:00about yourself one of the exercises i was trying to write about the other day for the book it's
01:39:05interesting little thought experiment for you two gentlemen which is imagine we have gentlemen hold on
01:39:10now imagine we have a room here okay and there's 10 people inside the room but one of them is secretly
01:39:20miserable but they're keeping it together everybody else is moderately happy now think of everybody in
01:39:26your life that you know who do you think you could send in that room and have the best probability of
01:39:30figuring it out figuring out which one and who would be the worst obviously don't answer the worst one
01:39:35publicly um but who but if you think of those two people in your head who would be the best person esther
01:39:40perel why what is it about them i don't know i just feel like she is so unbelievably perceptive
01:39:46of and i mean i know this i mean of her talks and stuff but i i know her personally and i just feel
01:39:52like she just like sees what i'm actually trying to say or what i'm actually feeling like really
01:39:57really well which is part of why i think she's so magnetic in her also an amazing podcast yes couples
01:40:02were oh yeah which is i mean and that's who's who's better at doing a podcast with couples couples
01:40:06therapy is usually this person who barely knows you two can within a few minutes start to see stuff
01:40:12that you don't see with each other it's like that's incredible power yeah they're also i mean i would
01:40:18think of for instance my friend kevin rose super close friend serial entrepreneur amazing investor
01:40:23great guy eq off the charts off the charts so he would walk in and observe the room and i think with
01:40:32millions of years of evolution tilting in his favor i don't think it's necessarily something
01:40:37he could verbalize but he would pick it out it's an interesting idea of is it a trainable skill
01:40:44what's also interesting is that you could kind of replace secretly miserable person with psychopath
01:40:51con man having an affair and you'd probably pick loosely the same people to be able to go in to do that
01:40:57and it appears that it's closely related to theory of mind which seems to come online at like four
01:41:02years old so a three-year-old almost has no theory of mind they can't understand that tim has thoughts
01:41:08or thinks differently to me and it happens at four years old i think that's when lying starts as well
01:41:13yes so this ability to be able to think oh think how tim thinks and then sometimes think how tim
01:41:20you do not want to i'm thinking yeah i know it's funny watching up close like it there's a there's
01:41:24stages before that first is like i am the only person and everyone else is like a is like a here
01:41:31for my per my everyone's a figment of my imagination and then there's like oh like other people are
01:41:39here and they're real like they actually have their own consciousness but they're all here for
01:41:43me they're all here and then there starts to be like a kid and everyone smiles at you in the grocery
01:41:47story and it's oh everyone's doing their own thing they're not here for me but everyone likes me
01:41:50everyone's good everyone loves me you know and then you start to realize like oh i'm just a random
01:41:55person and like i'm not a kid anymore and people aren't like also the first existential crisis yeah
01:41:59five years old and actually the there's a lot of theories uh i forget who originally but it's you
01:42:04know this this oceanic feeling that you have when you think everyone is there for you and that
01:42:10everyone loves you and everyone knows you is some people get can cannot let that go and they're the
01:42:16the desire the deep desire some people have for fame is forever chasing oceanic yeah the oceanic
01:42:24feeling or uh is this feeling this like this you know that you're in this ocean of like love and
01:42:29and then later you feel this very cold loneliness and fame is like if i could be famous and everyone
01:42:34knows me again and everyone loves me and i'm admired you know and it's just and i think a lot of people
01:42:38have a real like 13 to 15 year olds have like this a lot of people go through i think i went through
01:42:43this at that age like this you want fame more than anything in the world because it's the ultimate like
01:42:48being popular in school but like it's like them you know and then most people grow out of that but i
01:42:52think some people don't to to your question about trainability i think i think it is trainable but
01:42:59different people have better raw materials or some people right it's like vertical jump muscle mass
01:43:05like sure you can improve on those metrics a lot with really thoughtful training and i think that's true
01:43:12but some people just get it and i think it goes beyond human to human interactions too right like i'm very
01:43:18uh very very interested in dog training and mammal training writ large actually goes beyond uh mammal
01:43:24training that's like a whole why uh because i think that it's interspecies communication however
01:43:34primitive it might be is fascinating in and of itself i think that i mean dogs in particular like the
01:43:40relationship between dogs and humans is kind of crazy like if you start to look past the familiarity of
01:43:47seeing dogs everywhere like yeah dogs you're like wait a second like think about how unusual it is
01:43:53that we have effectively co-evolved over time yeah there's an animal that lives in my house yeah
01:43:58it's an animal lives in your house actually like this is like this is like a companion slash guardian
01:44:02i grew up with four cats i look cats are great but like cats are animals that live in your house
01:44:06dogs are sort of in a separate category if they're trained uh and i think a certain different type of
01:44:12awareness and consciousness comes online for dogs vis-a-vis training as you develop kind of labels
01:44:20for different things uh so for for all of those reasons but it extends to equine training and how
01:44:27that could be apply like animal interactions to people with autism or ptsd like you see some wild stuff
01:44:33and this doesn't end up being limited to to to horses for instance in the case of the therapy you i've
01:44:41seen instances i volunteered at a uh wolf sanctuary in colorado for a period of time which is a long story
01:44:47but wolves that either been injured trapped by ranchers or raised in captivity which is a terrible
01:44:54idea please people don't get like wolf dogs or anything like that it's really it's really really
01:44:59awful on a lot of levels but uh there are these ambassador wolves that they have i think it's just
01:45:06called mission wolf in colorado if people want to look at it and possibly support it but uh these
01:45:11civilians can come in and visit and like donate money if they want and the ambassador wolves will go
01:45:17straight up to people who are seemingly having the most pain in the room it's weird no one it's weird
01:45:24yeah or the people who are most withdrawn like autistic and autistic kids and things like that and uh it
01:45:29just raises a lot of really fascinating questions i've seen i've seen some videos of dogs that are
01:45:34there to stop seizures if people are about to fall and have seizures maybe people have got epilepsy epilepsy
01:45:40and these dogs are giving us some pheromone they can use them for autoimmune disorders before
01:45:46someone has the collapse it's able to be there and it jumps up and because when they're shaking the dog
01:45:52sort of lies on them like a weighted blanket or make sure that they're not going to fall over
01:45:55and there was a woman that was taking some food i don't know why there's a video maybe it was a ring
01:45:59doorbell camera like internal doorbell camera or something and she's taking food out of the oven
01:46:04and the dog jumps up and pulls her back so you know when you sort of crouching down she's already
01:46:10halfway down grabs her in the back of the collar and pulls her to the ground and lies on her and she's
01:46:15fine and she's thinking what is this dog doing is it okay is this something that's going to go on
01:46:19and then seizure she has a seizure after the dog's been there so well insane so this raises yeah i mean
01:46:26if we want to get into like crazy town territory let's go let's go tim well i'll do let me let me
01:46:31do non-crazy town and then we'll segue to crazy town so the non-crazy town is the reason i bring up the
01:46:36dogs is that you will i i've noticed that the same people who have the highest eq around humans often
01:46:45have the highest eq around animals right so they like intuitively know how to interact with animals
01:46:52or be guarded around the right type of animals say a dog that's really quiet may actually be really
01:46:58afraid and could be aggressive or they can read that type of body language even though it's a different
01:47:03species whereas some people have no awareness right they'll walk up to a dog that is clearly
01:47:08uncomfortable and they'll come top down to like put their hand on the dog's head it's just like oh my god
01:47:12you're just asking for trouble or they're not paying any attention to their kids like why do so
01:47:17many little girls have dog bites on the faces because little boys are kind of assholes they like to like
01:47:21poke dogs and stuff but little girls like to hug dogs around the face and neck dogs don't like that
01:47:27right and parents aren't paying attention so it's not actually necessarily the dog's fault it's the
01:47:31parents fault so i think that eq is not limited to human to human um and that just relates to the
01:47:40theory of mind stuff which maybe maybe the theory might can be expanded to dogs are like a pattern
01:47:45recognition machines on four legs i once heard saying that's part of why i i think like i noticed with
01:47:51my dog like she can if i'm about to leave but i haven't even started getting ready yet she can tell
01:47:56something's different the way he's you know yeah um but but you know i i'm interested in dog training
01:48:01i'm not a good dog trainer my dog is not very well trained but i training a mammal will make you
01:48:09realize um an important skill which is uh you are a mammal and your brain if you treat treat your brain
01:48:18like a dog um and great things can happen you just become a behaviorist yeah well because you're you
01:48:25know this idea that well i'm a person it's like no no you have a you might be a person with like
01:48:29you know this higher consciousness in your head is a mammal brain and it's not that it teaches you
01:48:35about how to train yourself yes seinfeld talks about this in training his mind like a dumb little puppy
01:48:41yeah i shouldn't say dumb little puppy it's just like a blank slate puppy doesn't know what to do
01:48:46it's it's a primate brain we're all like this consciousness is stuck inside of a of an ancient
01:48:50primate i mean that's what it is and so it's like if you realize that and you're like like you said you
01:48:55want to have positive you want to have things on your desk that encourage i mean that's what is that
01:48:59that's because you're a dumb primate that is going to be the person sitting at the desk how else have
01:49:03you applied this behaviorist dog training lens to yourself i mean just just reward yeah yeah i mean really
01:49:12it's it's so i i should say like if we're talking about like bf skinner and skinner boxes like we're
01:49:16getting you can get into territory where you you don't you basically assume and i'm simplifying here
01:49:24that something does not exist if you can't observe it externally right but this is how you get into
01:49:29like oh animals don't feel pain oh bubble which by the way we assumed about infants for a very long
01:49:34time it's not that phrase not that long ago that people were operating on infants without anesthesia
01:49:38right crazy so uh i i mean there are there i i'm careful with the skinner stuff but when you
01:49:45get into like classical conditioning operant conditioning there's an amazing book called don't
01:49:49shoot the dog which has a terrible title maybe this is a good example of a book that failed don't shoot
01:49:55the dog but it's written by this woman karen prior who worked in training marine mammals right dolphins
01:50:02and so on and uh a lot i think she and her colleague also worked with the military like training cats like
01:50:09the military's trained cockroaches to like turn light switches on and off i mean this is this is not
01:50:14science fiction this is real stuff like a crazy town so it's like how do you do that right oh yeah i'm not
01:50:17even i'm just getting lined up oh yeah uh but this is well documented like that's that's not fiction
01:50:23um sidebar the mosquito-sized or the fly-sized drones out of china right i don't know if you guys have
01:50:28seen these videos holy shit terrifying yeah anyway yeah where's neil stevenson when you need him to make
01:50:34some predictions but um i took myself completely off the rails don't shoot the dog don't shoot the dog
01:50:42karen prior when you're training say a marine mammal right okay dolphin doesn't
01:50:47do what you want to do you can't hit it with a rolled up newspaper you can't chastise the
01:50:51dolphin just swims away from you right so you end up focusing on positive reinforcement right providing
01:50:58rewards for the behavior that you're trying to shape and behavioral shaping is also just an
01:51:03interesting concept i could explain in a second and she started using different auditory cues
01:51:10and that converted into clicker training for dogs so to teach a dog what to do or not do hang on
01:51:17sorry the training of dolphins is where the clicker for dogs comes from yes from aquatic mammals no
01:51:24way yeah because they would use we're clicking at dogs because we clicked at dolphins they used i think
01:51:29they used whistles but it's the same idea and because you're trying to indicate to this dog and this
01:51:36applies to humans too like what is the right behavior what is the wrong behavior but for instance like the
01:51:43dog shits in the house you come home two hours later and then you punish the dog it's so temporally
01:51:47dislocated the dog has no idea right it's it's not effective it's just going to make the dog less
01:51:55likely to offer behaviors because it doesn't know when it's going to get punished right uh and i look
01:52:01i understand approaches to e-collars and i think they have their place and so on but
01:52:05this is just to say that when you start digging into this and you start thinking about behavioral
01:52:11shaping so i'll give an example of behavioral shaping a simple example and look i'm not a
01:52:16professional dog trainer but i do find it really interesting so for instance if you're trying to get
01:52:20a dog to sit is really easy but if you have a treat right so you're using a lure and you start with a
01:52:28motion that's let's say the dog's right here it's standing and you do this you push it back behind
01:52:32its head it sits down to get its mouth closer to the tree right and then over time you lose the treat
01:52:39because now it has figured out how this dance works and then you get to a point where you're using like
01:52:44the international sign language for sit and then you're then you start to pair that with sit and then
01:52:51this and then you can actually remove the manual signal all together and just use the verbal cue
01:52:58right but if you're trying to get like a dog to turn around and do a spin which is more like a
01:53:01vanity trick than a safety thing or a functional thing but as soon as it turns slightly it might
01:53:08it's not going to get it on the first go around you click you give it a treat and so you're basically
01:53:13encouraging it to continue that behavior and you can shape really complex behaviors over time as long
01:53:20as you're not trying to boil the ocean at once so how does that pertain to humans all of it pertains to
01:53:25humans whether you're trying to train yourself whether you know as you're building a family you're thinking
01:53:30about you know like you're not going to crate train your kid although you kind of do i guess with the
01:53:35crib in a sense but uh i think a lot of this applies and people get upset and they're like oh
01:53:40my god i can't believe you're comparing a baby to a dog and i'm like guys evolutionarily speaking like
01:53:46we're not that different i mean there are some important differences and it's like yeah we've got more
01:53:51you know white matter and so on but don't breastfeed a dog yeah yeah
01:54:01yeah i've been fostering a dog for the last six months who uh was going to get euthanized she was
01:54:06on the she was on the street and so it's been so i've been very much in the thick of it with a dog
01:54:13that was effectively a wild animal wow off the streets uh a really adorable dog uh looks to be
01:54:20haven't done the genetic testing but like an anatolian shepherd mix so very tawny colored with
01:54:26a black muzzle uh this isn't the one that i meant no that's your the different dog different dog yeah
01:54:33the rear feet are slightly externally rotated so could be some great pyrenees in there but much
01:54:40smaller the anatolian shepherds can get huge they're found in turkey they're found in the
01:54:45the caucus region they can get up to like 150 pounds 200 pounds at least 150 they're huge she's a lot
01:54:53smaller she's about 60 pounds so i would guess that she's a mix with something else possibly german
01:54:59shepherd or belgian shepherd something like that uh but man when you're starting with something that is
01:55:06really feral it's different and what's the original dog trainer like the actual dog trainer is the dog's
01:55:14brain offering dopamine treats so when you give food it's not the food it's the dopamine hit that the
01:55:21brain gives that makes the dog one and so this is what before humans were there to train dogs animals
01:55:27across the animal kingdom for millions of years have been trained by their genes to act a certain way
01:55:35using dopamine treats yeah and then and so it's just and then so all we're doing is leveraging this
01:55:41system that's already in place in the dog's brain and we're saying oh we can we can get the brain to
01:55:45do a dopamine hit when for that and tie that that and then the dog can tie that hit to this behavior
01:55:52instead of the thing it's programmed to be tied to which is get food yeah so a big part of it is
01:55:56figuring out right because humans have been selectively breeding dogs into all these weird shapes for
01:56:00millennia yeah is what does this dog respond to yeah because some dogs are really food driven but then
01:56:07then your brain is also giving you dopamine treats sure and this is what social media platforms do
01:56:14is they are geared towards flooding your brain with dopamine treats when you give it attention and
01:56:20therefore add dollars well we also think of ourselves as like the masters of the universe but it's like to
01:56:26what extent did we domesticate certain plants and to what extent did they domesticate us
01:56:31total propagation right i mean it's like it's it's it's a fun question oh yeah more on the tumble
01:56:35down the well it's just yeah i mean it's it's just like if you look at like wheat corn soy etc i mean
01:56:41they've been very effective at propagating themselves as a species and i don't want to attribute like
01:56:47anthropomorphizing the wheat the wheat necessarily but just from an evolutionary imp just from an
01:56:55evolutionary and um sort of propagation imperative it's like how did they end up being so ubiquitous
01:57:03i just think it's a fun question to poke around when i was studying like history and you're looking
01:57:07at oh we domesticated not just plants we domesticated the horse we domesticated the dog
01:57:12um and now the cat the modern cow the modern you know house dog they couldn't survive in the wild
01:57:18because they've been domesticated so now they rely on this artificial structure and then i you know
01:57:24you read more about humans and oh what a civilization we domesticated ourselves yeah we cannot survive
01:57:30as if you bring us back to 50 000 bc pluck any i mean maybe you're like one of these people that might
01:57:36most of people i know we would die we don't we're not our natural habitat we cannot live in it just
01:57:41like the the maltese cannot live out in the natural wolf habitat habitat we can't live there because we
01:57:46domesticated ourselves and this is one of these weird things where we now live within this structure
01:57:51that we only can live in just like a house it's like a dog can only live in a human house a dog pet
01:57:57we can only live in this civilizational house uh none of us know how to again very few of us know how to
01:58:02hunt and and truly gather and do the things would that not be different slightly that we have like
01:58:08um genetically anatomically in terms of our features and our functions humans are not too dissimilar to
01:58:13what would have been around 50 000 years ago but dogs would be very different to what was around
01:58:18previously if we had been born back then yes culture would have been we haven't gone to the full extent
01:58:24that yes that that is that i mean i'm sure there are some little changes but yes like maybe we're less
01:58:28aggressive than we would need to be back then or something like that but you're right we haven't
01:58:32domesticated our biology but when we are now raised in this world we have totally domesticated ourselves
01:58:39psychologically and intellectually um and just in the skills we have uh and it just it kind of um
01:58:48you know it just it explains a lot and you then you see interesting clashes back in you know when
01:58:54first civilizations were developing where you have these wild people essentially um clashing with
01:59:01domesticated people and that doesn't always go you know sometimes that the weapons got good enough
01:59:05eventually that the domesticated people couldn't be with but for a long time these you know uh step
01:59:12hordes mongols and others you know that whatever they uh the huns and many many others um would come
01:59:18down with no technology at all but they were essentially wild people again they had a horseback
01:59:23archway yes they had horses they were pretty good they had horses but like on the wild to domesticated
01:59:27scale they weren't very far and when they would clash it wasn't just that they were really great with
01:59:34their weapons they had this level of kind of wild brutality and and you know which you know and kind
01:59:40of a lack of um um a civilizational notion of empathy for human lives or whatever are worth something i
01:59:48mean the mongols thought of humans as cattle as as another you know whatever killing them was not a
01:59:53moral wrong and that was this huge advantage so it's just interesting to like when you
01:59:58you know that this is what's scary it's very scary when you think about civilizational collapse
02:00:02talk about ai apocalypse things like this i mean what's scary is um just the power goes out that means
02:00:08the internet goes out i mean you'd see a lot of very domesticated people in a total chaotic situation
02:00:14and it would be yeah people lose the really quickly uh i was in uh san francisco and i was
02:00:21volunteering for something called nert which is the northern california emergency response team and it's a
02:00:26volunteer coalition of people who are distributed throughout in this case san francisco and it's done
02:00:33in collaboration with the police and fire department to train volunteers to respond in the case of
02:00:41a highly destructive earthquake or natural disaster of some type and i remember in the very beginning
02:00:50they effectively said okay sam the broader san francisco area has population of x whatever it was 1.2
02:00:56million people guess how many fire engines we have and they defined like what a fire engine was and so on
02:01:01they're like 10. okay so what happens if we have a conflagration which i think is a square block on fire
02:01:09of x magnitude and they're like you should expect to be without water and electricity in these following
02:01:15areas for this period of time like seven to ten days i remember i was living in glenn park in san francisco
02:01:24and pg and e had a rolling blackout i was like okay power's out and for like the first few hours people
02:01:30were like wandering around outside it was saturday and they're like hey your power out yeah wow wow nice
02:01:35to see you bob you know everyone's very civil and then it's like five or six hours and then people start
02:01:42to realize oh all of my food my freezer is going to thaw at some point and i think the water may have also
02:01:49been off and around like 10 hours post there's one guy in the neighborhood who had a little honda
02:01:56generator because he was a burner he went to burning man and he was like keeping his stuff frozen
02:02:01and one or two people wandered over and they're like hey joe could i borrow that after you're done
02:02:05with it clearly he's not gonna be done with it because he's using it and i think it was at like hour
02:02:1115 or 18 there was an entire throng of people who are these like hyper liberal peace you know live long
02:02:21and prosper live and let live types who are getting openly hostile about who would get to use his
02:02:26generator next this is less than 24 hours so the the basic courtesies of modern life fall away very
02:02:36quickly there's a whole wild person in every human yeah that is completely contained in a normal
02:02:42situation sometimes i'm in a coffee shop and i see all these people standing in line so and i just like
02:02:46suddenly have a split screen to like those people like stabbing each other for food and then i was
02:02:50like they come back here and i'm like you know it's a little like it's the the you know we're it's all
02:02:56fine when it's fine and you know i don't know so let me say a couple things real quick so
02:03:01this is going to sound strange not not to like defend uh you know genghis khan and and the step
02:03:07hordes but steelman pillaging for a second tent not not pillaging there's a book i won't recommend
02:03:13it to be by one of the i mean a name everybody would know uh there's a book called genghis khan in the
02:03:18making of the modern world it is remarked from like modern postal systems to infrastructure to really
02:03:26religious freedom they did kill and rape a lot of people um but uh that book is is worth reading
02:03:33especially the first half of it uh just to get a full grasp of the historic implications the
02:03:39second just to give an og podcast shout out uh wrath of the cons by dan carlin oh my god
02:03:46listen to every dan carlin episode i mean honestly still maybe the best no offense no offense
02:03:52best podcast of all time dan carlin hardcore history wrath of the cons it's like a five-part
02:03:56series each one is four to five hours long oh so it was so many not be bored you will rip through it
02:04:02they are i mean there's a whole other topic yeah but like the history of podcasts are one of my
02:04:07favorites and he is the the goat yeah i heard that he used to do them in a single take and if he
02:04:11messed up he'd just restart again oh god it wouldn't surprise me he's a perfectionist i mean that's why
02:04:15they took so long is he still doing i haven't seen i'm not sure but part of the reason i also love dan
02:04:21as an example is that wherever you are whenever you are you run into whatever industry these things
02:04:29that are taken to be true because they get repeated a lot right you have to post x times per week you
02:04:34have to do this you have to do that no one's going to listen to a podcast that's longer than 60 minutes
02:04:39and dan was like i'm going to do one six-hour podcast or five-hour podcast once every six months
02:04:46and he was top of the charts forever for years upon years not many people are doing a plus work and
02:04:52when you are none of those rules apply yes yeah the rules just didn't apply the best tagline that
02:04:57we found for this is there will always be room for better yeah yeah there will always be room yes
02:05:02it doesn't matter what the industry is uh you know uh you know it just it's something really great
02:05:07there's just not very much of it it doesn't matter how many podcasters there are very few people are
02:05:11doing a plus it feels like that's accelerating now that you because you have llms churning more
02:05:18out and you're gonna have more video models churning more out it feels that
02:05:24whether there's less quality today or is that it just feels maybe there's less quality relative to the
02:05:29the amount of quantity so it's also encouraging everyone to average back to the mean right it regresses the
02:05:34the aggregate of content that's being people get discouraged and think oh there's so much content
02:05:38like what's the point it's like no no if you can do something great it will just rise above
02:05:42this and the world will see it speaking of novel content the japan and usa algo crossover because
02:05:49of the translate mode that happened has resulted in some pretty spectacular outcomes none more so than
02:05:56kenki kids account have you seen this guy okay so he uh describes in his bio on x as a company employee
02:06:04living in yokohama's kanai area originally from yokohama born in 1985 currently 41 years old
02:06:10single 41 years with no girlfriend history non-appealing to the opposite sex unattractive
02:06:16amateur virgin like sex services hobbies are watching soccer overseas travel planning to retire early from the
02:06:21company age 50 has given up on marriage and is currently seeking a comfortable single life so
02:06:27it's interesting about this guy he's been tweeting about this one hell of a bio how did he end up
02:06:32picking so many characters i think you're able to compress things down on in japanese yeah pressing for a
02:06:37dog as well uh he's been tweeting about visiting different hand job parlors in japan and is using the
02:06:44the revenue paid out from x to fund his future trips he's essentially unlocked an infinite hand job glitch
02:06:50in reality chelsea supporter it's also just no one in in in the in the western world talks like this
02:06:55it's just a very specific like japanese uh so there's a quote tweet go to the quote tweet jared uh
02:07:02it's where he says today both my regular hand job spot and the married woman place are running discount
02:07:07events and i'm torn about which one to go to that's quote tweeted by an american saying americans be like
02:07:12i can't even get some chopped foyd from a dating app to go on a 250 date with me while the japan bros
02:07:18are like damn the hand job parlor and the milf joint are both on sale tonight i don't know which
02:07:22one to pick and he is using the x revenue in order to fund his hand job like the most honest man in
02:07:28the world it's unbelievable you set a calendar reminder for black friday
02:07:34hanky kids dude unbelievable yeah the crossover from uh american people finally being able to see
02:07:40japanese content on x has resulted i mean i i did love the i don't know if you've seen these split
02:07:45videos of like japanese cleaning the stadium after a game and nicks fans you brought this up yes even
02:07:51what's interesting when the japanese team played at wembley against england
02:07:56they cleaned the changing rooms afterwards the players even did it's completely different cultural
02:08:00difference what's interesting though is you have these languages merge online i'm assuming you're
02:08:04going to have podcasts language merge do you actually lose less um the cultural differences
02:08:10as much one of the reasons why japan is so unique is because they did that sakuka right where they
02:08:14whilst the rest of the world was all mixing ideas if you left japan killed if you tried to enter
02:08:20japan killed so it's so unique it's so alien it's like the galapagos of culture yes and i wonder what with
02:08:25that's a great way to put it yeah with the internet now do you actually have because i i can feel it
02:08:30already that english culture is becoming a bit more american or even like this internet culture it's
02:08:36not even american now it feels like it's post-american it's becoming more it's just global it's just the
02:08:41online culture the internet is like the anti- japanese isolationist culture effect yes much on the dark
02:08:48web and and then what's unfortunate is then what's nice is when you have all these independent
02:08:52cultures and each one does something really well and you can kind of when it all starts to blend you
02:08:56really lose the variety the variety is where like variety is the in both evolution and cultural
02:09:02evolution is the engine of creativity and growth and you know and it's it's like instead of having you
02:09:08know a bunch of different brains in a room brainstorming you just have kind of like one one thinker and
02:09:12it's it's a shame someone uh wrote a blog post a few years ago about where did emos and goths go
02:09:18and the question was that subcultures need time to ossify and if you've got this sort of global
02:09:24permaculture thing that's always moving and any bit that moves in one side of the membrane affects
02:09:29another bit over here it's like everybody being on a bouncy castle at the same time and somebody that
02:09:34jumps up and down over there impacts everybody else so you don't have time to silo off to create this
02:09:39sort of weird niche trends music tastes language now you see subcultures on the internet with language
02:09:46but very quickly like look at looks maxing all of that immediately now has become common vernacular
02:09:51because one part of the bouncy castle is now affecting me you know i'm just pulling from words you're
02:09:55throwing out you want a podcast name idea yes bouncy castle gangbang bouncy castle gangbang i'm actually
02:10:02not it's evocative it's very visual it's either that or fire up the autism engine it's one of those
02:10:08two it is visual yeah i'm why have you mentioned goths and emos then when was the last time you
02:10:15thought about goths and emails and i always ask chris this question i asked you two guys this which
02:10:20is when the fascinating thing about something fading away is that you don't notice it fading away because
02:10:25by definition it's fading away is there anything that's currently fading away or has faded away that you
02:10:30think we would have forgotten about until you mentioned it like a good example is the voicemail
02:10:35the voicemail if you watch i was watching breaking bad and the um there's about five minutes every
02:10:41episode of like a voicemail scene where it'll be the voicemail will be playing across the house
02:10:45and it's just disappeared it doesn't exist but nobody really discussed it because by definition if
02:10:50something's fading away yeah there's stuff that's fitting into like mullets
02:10:54mullets are back and oh that's very very bad mustaches came back
02:10:59yeah you you're actually only able to grow i don't know if i could make a well i can't do like the
02:11:04flat top mullet which would be my sort of like aspiration because i was just not going to work
02:11:11so i could do like a power donut rat tail power donut power donut power donut rat tail also not a
02:11:19bad podcast yeah that's true um yeah not a bad grinder name as well power donut power donut right
02:11:25yeah you know what i'm talking about right like professor x yeah that's that sounds like a wonderful
02:11:31couple that could be born out of grinder power donut and rat tail yeah yeah we'll get together very
02:11:34well i said what else have you brought from home you've got this bag i brought lots of stuff i'm
02:11:38going to throw out some fun stuff uh you're talking about like humans modern humans in the wild dead
02:11:43right domesticated dogs in the wild dead one exception if you take domestic domesticated pigs
02:11:49and release them into the wild they rapidly undergo physical and behavioral transformations within just
02:11:54a few months they develop thicker bristly hair longer snouts and tusks like they literally revert back
02:12:00into savage animals within months has anyone studied what's happening to them cool they call it phenotypic
02:12:07reversion wow and have you brought one there's a there's a small feral pig wild boar
02:12:14i brought a whole stack of things this is exciting oh wow and then uh so we can talk about these
02:12:20drugs you brought drugs i brought drugs uh so this this one is i'm still like juries out but
02:12:28the data are are pretty interesting this is so this is av mccall i know exactly what this is you know
02:12:34what this is so some people have heard of something called sulforaphane and i'm going to pull this
02:12:40up so i don't misquote here uh let's see if i can find it bear with me here i love when my uh
02:12:48autistic newsfeed and tim's autistic newsfeed come together they merge together yeah so all right
02:12:56just say it just go get him to get you on what's that carry on he needs he needs more frosty beverages
02:13:03yeah okay so this this stuff so sulforaphane people might have heard about like broccoli sprouts were
02:13:08kind of making the rounds a couple of years ago and i think rhonda patrick uh should be giving credit
02:13:14for bringing this to light for a lot of folks and this does not contain sulforaphane itself but a
02:13:22precursor and an enzyme so your body then produces sulforaphane and i'll explain why i'm bringing this
02:13:28up because i i've been taking this for probably nine months and predominantly because there is some
02:13:37possibility that it could help with mitigating the risk of neurodegeneration uh so that that's again
02:13:45whether it's the xylitol or this stuff having multiple family members with alzheimer's uh i'm
02:13:50paying a lot of attention to prevention you'll have done your uh genetic testing as well right
02:13:56oh yeah yeah cool yeah uh what's what's interesting is is quite a few people in my family and i know this
02:14:01isn't the only risk factor but they're apo e33 which should be the lowest risk at of uh alzheimer's
02:14:09could be protected and yet so there's other dysfunction uh and in this case you know sulforaphane
02:14:15reliably activates nrf2 related pathways in humans all right so the it's promising but not proven slowing
02:14:23aging preventing cancer preventing dementia extending lifespan treating crock disease it's basically
02:14:28detoxification but the re the reason i brought it is that my supplement regimen has been very consistent
02:14:35for at least two or three years and i do constant blood tests and so on just did a blood draw this
02:14:41morning actually and in the last maybe six months i've been getting could be coincidence but more
02:14:49compliments and questions about my skin than ever before and i was like what is going on is this just
02:14:54coincidence or is something going on and so i looked at the two things that i've added to say curiosity
02:15:01nothing new otherwise i was like okay diet's the same there is the avmacol and then there is your
02:15:07urolithanae and timeline timeline and uh and it turns out that it is plausible that this stuff
02:15:17helps with skin tone rhonda's thing was that was for microplastics right second yeah well yeah i mean
02:15:24there's there's a bunch that it does but yes like did you see so i brought this up last time but i didn't
02:15:28get a chance to actually say it i had it ready for last time so the microplastics numbers were wrong
02:15:33the gloves were the source so the university of michigan researchers just amended a core consumption
02:15:39assumption uh about microplastic science latex and nitrile gloves worn by the scientists doing the
02:15:44measuring shed steroid particles that look chemically identical to polyethylene polyethylene oops standard
02:15:52infrared and ramen instruments couldn't tell them apart the gloves were counting as plastic so you know that
02:15:58every american consumes a credit card sized amount of microplastics every year like when you pick up
02:16:06the little petri dish to because it's human blood and feces and tissue samples and stuff they're picking
02:16:11it up but the way that it bends the reason that gloves are able to bend is that tiny teeny teeny tiny
02:16:16tiny bits break off that's why it's malleable and they switched from that to some other type of glove
02:16:21and it just went through the floor i like that i was happy to see that all the microplastics research
02:16:27looks like it could be wrong wow that's not to say that we're not consuming we probably are but the
02:16:31numbers i think are a hundred credit card doesn't sound that bad i mean i'll eat a credit card once a
02:16:35year how bad could it be just i'd front load it i'd get it all done january 1st just get the amex in
02:16:42yeah kind of grind it up so just to be clear not a doctor don't play one on the internet this this
02:16:46stuff right the avmacol biologically plausible reasonably safe interesting human data but not
02:16:50yet a slam dunk clinical intervention but still interesting because it activates your own
02:16:56detoxification pathways as opposed to being an external antioxidant they consume so the sort of
02:17:02hormetic stress response could be really interesting and have broader benefits so that's why you do have
02:17:07cred with these kind of things because you're like annoyingly healthy looking you're like the
02:17:10healthiest looking person thank you you seem very like robust and unsickly all the time thank you
02:17:16yeah i'll be 50 50 before you know it which is crazy yeah the key is to go bald early so your photos look
02:17:23remarkably similar uh i think as you get older bald is an asset you end up like it's hard to age you
02:17:30yeah no exactly that's what i'm saying people oh here's the giveaway yeah if you're trying to do
02:17:33like the dead squirrel comb over or whatever white knuckling dead giveaway uh should i talk about these
02:17:39things real quick yeah so uh i have when i was a kid i collected i mean comic books i was kind of my
02:17:45first business was buying and selling comic books wanted to be a comic book penciler forever um was
02:17:51an illustrator throughout school paid a lot of my bills in college as an illustrator so i love graphic
02:17:56novels and what i found as i'm being domesticated not domesticated but trained through llms and everything else to have
02:18:08uh shorter and shorter attention span effectively right i'm trying to offset that but another
02:18:15insight that i've had for me personally i am and we talked about the uh
02:18:19aphantasia i guess it was and hyper visualization i'm so visual that often as i read or even if i
02:18:27meditate we could talk about how meditation factors into this but i'm conjuring these images constantly
02:18:34which can be very distracting conjuring what images and just visualization in my head or scenes or whatever
02:18:39like there's constantly and as i'm here there's like another movie playing in my mind it's like
02:18:44watching like two screens with different movies like all the tend to be like a past event or a future
02:18:50event or is it completely could be that it could be just random bits and bobs uh so i've taken to going
02:18:58back to graphic novels because once you are reading a story with visual accompaniment it occupies that
02:19:05part of my brain and i just love graphic novels so i thought i would share after reading like dozens
02:19:10and dozens over the last couple years some of my favorites this is something is killing the children
02:19:15real uplifting uh this is going to be made into a very expensive series by netflix but basic premise the
02:19:22artwork is amazing story is really fun and basic premise is monsters are real only children can
02:19:28see them and there are these cabals of of monster hunters it's like a it's a beautifully simple
02:19:35premise and it's very light yeah it's uh it's it's it's great if you're into the sci-fi stuff
02:19:42this is lazarus um which is kind of a post-apocalyptic um
02:19:50these cartel like families run giant swaths of the united states in the world it's about their kind
02:19:58of geopolitical battles and how technology factors into it uh if you want something more fantasy uh and
02:20:06this this gets into some deep psychological terrain and inner turmoil but it also throws in lots of
02:20:13fantasy tropes so it's kind of like fantasy plus a bit of steampunk monstrous which just based on the
02:20:20the cover i was like i'm not going to like this at all uh in full uh disclosure i like the first maybe
02:20:26like 200 pages the most of what i read uh but the the testimonials and stuff are insane so this is
02:20:31another one that is beautiful i tend to be very biased towards the stuff with really gorgeous penciling
02:20:38day tripper this is from brazil and is does not have any sci-fi any fantasy it's sort of a reflection on
02:20:48mortality it's about this young man who has a star author as a father who's whose shadow he's constantly
02:20:56living in who as his job writes obituaries at a local newspaper but it gets much more interesting so
02:21:01how long like does that take you to read compared to like a book how many pages how many page book is
02:21:06that yeah this you'll rip through this which is part of the reason why i'd say like if you're gonna get
02:21:10like this is 250 pages i read this in three hours yeah i like that yeah you get through it very quickly
02:21:17it's also an expensive habit if you're using hard copy right i mean this is gonna be 20 25 bucks as
02:21:24someone who takes forever to do the simplistic drawing and granted these people are far more talented
02:21:28artists like i mean i mean today maybe they're using ai but like when i look at this i'm like no these are
02:21:34all it's so just this one picture yeah yeah the artwork in all of these is tremendous amazing have you ever
02:21:41read a comic book not in a while yeah this was a child yeah yeah i've never basically never yeah yeah
02:21:47yeah i mean there's something i could get into it there are some iconic uh calvin and hobbes i used to
02:21:53calvin hobbes is amazing look i mean sandman there's some real like genre busting yeah graphic novels
02:22:01this one is from france ama which i'm currently reading really deeply philosophical very psychedelic
02:22:08this one also gets pretty trippy as you would guess by the name uh what i'd suggest so this is
02:22:13impossible to get as a hard copy it's very very challenging just get the kindle get the kindle
02:22:18versions and kindle or i should say amazon acquired a company that allows you to read these
02:22:22graphic novels panel by panel and it has this like zooming in zooming out function that is beautifully
02:22:28designed that's why they put the new uh full color kindle together i think to try and encourage people
02:22:32to get oh it's beautiful and i'll actually i'll actually just bode well for all of my yeah the
02:22:37the graphics the graphic novels are not easy to read on mobile but on say laptop or ipad or something
02:22:44what i want is and i don't know if it would apply to this but for my books and for a lot of others
02:22:48have a lot of visuals is i want audio i want audible or some to be like you're you're listening and then
02:22:54it's like ding and you look and the screen just has the current drawing the current uh image and then
02:22:58so easy and then you put you see you put it back in your pocket and it's like ding oh there's a graph
02:23:01yeah yeah right and it's why why supplementing materials here's your attached pdf yeah such a game
02:23:07chain from yeah that's what i do it's attached from pdf it sucks uh i've got into dungeon crawler carl
02:23:12have you read this book that's a fun one fuck me it's a fun one it's i mean so red red rising is
02:23:19the most addictive fiction series that i've found pretty much ever and they're about to release
02:23:23pierce is about to release book eight i think soon uh and i got told you know when you get a book
02:23:29suggestion from two or three different people who don't know each other yeah all right i just yeah
02:23:33obviously need to do that i've triangulated they've triangulated me as a and uh even the second
02:23:38recommendation i'm like okay yeah dungeon crawler carl so it's a lit rpg literary rpg so you're
02:23:44basically reading imagine somebody played a video game and you read a description of what happened
02:23:52that's kind of what it's like and it is unbelievable and this guy is on book eight or nine now and he
02:23:59released the first one in 2020 yeah when are the what and i remember the number of reviews was insane
02:24:05it's it's wild this the dungeon crawler carl for me is up there with red rice very different it's very
02:24:12edgy uh it's really light-hearted and fun like it's there's a lot of inner monologues there's
02:24:19interplay you can tell that the story is going to get huge and unwieldy there's progress what's
02:24:24interesting is because he's leveling up he's playing the game or he is the game and uh as he
02:24:28goes along he levels up skills and he's got to make a choice between which class he wants to be
02:24:32or this one and he do i want to make this particular sacrifice in terms of my strength and my dexterity
02:24:37or my intelligence or what should we upgrade this pet that we've got as and what armor should i put on
02:24:42and you'd think oh that sounds so dry and boring but it is it's got me it's got me we were watching
02:24:48the same thing that makes those games addictive to play probably right without feeling watching
02:24:52someone upgrade yeah whilst getting to read 82 000 reviews on amazon 4.7 stars goodreads is 427
02:25:01000. it's insane it's really since 2020. yeah it's it's pretty fun i only got through book one and i
02:25:08enjoyed it um so i didn't make it i don't know how you stopped at book one yeah he was about to choose
02:25:14his class how did you stop at book one i know what have you been reading recently anything good um
02:25:18so i i i've for a long time i've been alternating between like because for for my writing i'm
02:25:23constantly reading like non-fiction history or science you know whatever things like that
02:25:29i'm for for right now i'm just reading a book called um uh what's it called something with time
02:25:36by uh carlo revelli yes the order of things the order of time yeah um oh my god dude the audio
02:25:44i would listen to him read anything so benedict cumberbatch is so good and he's reading it and
02:25:51that's a book where talk about like people who listen to books on like 2x or whatever i want to
02:25:54do that in like 0.4x because i have to constantly pause and just like think about what he just said
02:25:59and then i go back i i'm going through this short four hour book over like so slow but that's for work
02:26:05that's like for my book um i usually alternate between like history podcasts and sci-fi uh those are my
02:26:11right now so i read the first book in the um expanse series uh which i i liked i didn't love i liked so i
02:26:18didn't keep going um and then i read my my wife like an instagram post of her favorite over the
02:26:26books she read in the year with the favorite to the least favorite stacked and i i usually don't cross
02:26:31over that much but i was like that top one it's their top book so i read it and it was so good it was
02:26:35called a fraction of the whole by steve toltz he's this australian author takes place in australia
02:26:41and it is so funny and it's such an adventure and it's this just fantastic fiction book um and uh
02:26:48it's not that well known and it was just such a joy and i was like that's a i would never have just
02:26:53picked that up on my own but i i loved that um and then um and then i um more recently obviously i read
02:27:01the whole three body problem trilogy which is by the way an example of one of those times when i
02:27:06couldn't do that either you know oh really oh no here again i love the bailed out let me tell you
02:27:11let me just this is very important so that there's three there's three books the first book is only a
02:27:15sixth of the length of the whole thing because the second and third book are much longer the first book
02:27:19is a b b plus it's it's the it's the appetizer to the whole thing the second book the first third
02:27:26of it is slow so it is it's really if you don't lose people there you're gonna lose people there
02:27:30when you get 200 pages into the second book the rest no no no no i know that sounds bad remind
02:27:37i'm right this is 1400 pages 75 this is 400 1400 pages the series and you're only 500 total pages
02:27:44and now the next 900 pages is the greatest thing i've ever read it's the biggest adventure and it's not
02:27:49like the first part's bad it's just a little slow and it's then it it just takes you on this ride
02:27:55you've never been i so if you haven't gotten this it's so worth i'm halfway through the first book
02:28:02and i'm not kidding it's taking me 10 attempts just just just i need to grind it out you got you have
02:28:07to my my thought process with things like this and particularly as i'm writing now good news this takes
02:28:11an hour yeah great i like high octane and maybe it's just like my standard as a writer that i try and
02:28:17apply to somebody else but i'm like why did you have to wait to this two and a half pages why like if you
02:28:22watch breaking bad the first scene of breaking bad some trousers land in an air there's an rv driving
02:28:29walter white's got a mask on with three people passed out looking dead in the back and he's got
02:28:34a gun in his pocket that comes out in the first five minutes that's what i want i don't listen that's
02:28:39ideal that's ideal uh in this case first of all it's like once you get to the end you also like the
02:28:46beginning has more meaning to you i totally agree and but it's this has managed to be so popular
02:28:51despite the things i'm saying yeah yeah yeah um and this is by the way an example of an author who
02:28:56actually i think didn't do a great job with the title which was not three body problem the title is
02:29:03remembrance of earth's past that's the title of the full series and no one knows that because
02:29:08basically readers were like we're going to pretend you didn't say that we're going to come up with a
02:29:12little bit like game of thrones they didn't name game of thrones a song of fire and ice which is the
02:29:16actual title they're like game of thrones the first book that's going to be the title of the whole
02:29:20thing because it's it's just i like when a certain you know the fans kind of decide for you that we're
02:29:24not gonna it's interesting when something succeeds and then the real like nuanced conversation is how
02:29:31much of it succeeded despite yes because often you could look at steve jobs and go the answer is
02:29:38turtlenecks and carrot juice but i mean those are either either completely irrelevant or in despite of
02:29:44and it tends to be like one power law and my correlation that causes yes yeah and that's a real
02:29:50constant iq test yes so you're saying three body problem could be your vote for book that succeeded
02:29:56in spite of a bad real title and and a slow first 500 pages of the 1400 i mean i've never read dune but
02:30:03i've heard that dune goes real so my problem is i just stuck with the first one yeah i read the first
02:30:08dune it was good enough after three body problem to me it's just like i read six ian banks books from
02:30:13the culture series and they were really good it's just i it'll never make what makes it so good the
02:30:20the three body problem yeah it the i mean i think i think dune is i think dune is a masterpiece right
02:30:25i think herbert was a genius the writing is not great it's very like kind of just like literal no
02:30:31it's not funny it had to be translated as well too it had to be translated the characters are super
02:30:36like boring people like plain you know there's no character development this is a three-by-roll yes
02:30:42you're selling me well the plot the plot is the best plot i've ever read in my life for anything
02:30:50it is the most gripping rich plot and the concepts in the plot are so mind-bending and delicious and
02:30:58everything that i've ever thought was cool you know how like interstellar which i don't think was actually
02:31:02that great a movie but they had some killer concepts like you go to this planet and and time is different
02:31:07and you come back and your seven-year-old daughter or whatever is is 25 and it's like
02:31:11whoa right it has so much of things like that like the coolest thing i've ever heard like he now weaves
02:31:17it into the plot um and and and again it's really one big game theory i don't want to blow it for
02:31:22anyone but like in the first you know two you know 20 of the very first book the the plot is launched
02:31:28and it's one it's not a bunch of things it's one thing happens in the early part of the first book
02:31:33and then the rest of the book is basically playing out game theory what would happen how could this
02:31:39play out and it's 1400 pages of this is one story that's happening this one thing that happens
02:31:44and then what goes on from there so i just think anyone who likes sci-fi or like space or like
02:31:50just uh it is you got to get through and so the first book the first book in the series is three
02:31:58bodies three called three body crawl and then there's the dark forest and then death's end and
02:32:02again once the dark forest is one of my favorite books of all time and the death end is also one of
02:32:06my these are like two of my favorite absolute books and again people also it's like oh the first book
02:32:11is slow but that's only a sixth of the whole series so yeah that's what i would say well i mean
02:32:14seven eves by neil stevenson the moon explodes in the first line the first line of the book the moon
02:32:19explodes i love that it was it was something like it was just after midday on a sunday when the moon
02:32:24exploded that's the first line of the book wow it's pretty good boys i appreciate you all you're all
02:32:29fucking awesome tim you're going traveling for a bit so i'm not going to see you for a while
02:32:32yeah what have you got going on where should people go to keep up to date with the
02:32:35shit that you've got happening uh just go to tim.blog just put up a blog post talking about how
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02:33:06internet and all my posts are up and they're usually pretty evergreen so that's still fun i think um but
02:33:12likewise i would say newsletter is the thing to do because i don't post that often and i only send an
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02:33:31time my 400 page russian novel where a man spends the first 50 pages worrying about how he's gonna get
02:33:37out of bed now that's a having just criticized a man yeah read it read it and see like it watch oblamov
02:33:44sit there the most exciting time in bed all right my beauties i appreciate you all i'll see you again
02:33:48soon thank you let's go boys yes there we go all right time is that fun as yeah yeah boom good job
02:33:56everyone this the amount of treats was such a i had so much fun these are incredible thank you um
02:34:03take some away yeah they're fine take some away that was so much fun congratulations you made it to the
02:34:08end of a full podcast episode you are not so tick tock brain that you've completely dissolved into nothingness
02:34:15why not watch another one right go on press it