Helping Strangers Build A $1,000,000+ Business [LIVE]

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AAlex Hormozi
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00:00:00I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:16are coming true.
00:00:17I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:19are coming true.
00:00:20I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:21are coming true.
00:00:22I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:23are coming true.
00:00:24I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:25are coming true.
00:00:26I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:27are coming true.
00:00:28I hope you and your bloodlines are fruitful and multiplying and all of your wildest dreams
00:00:29are coming true.
00:00:30And if they're not, we'll see what we can do about that today.
00:00:33With that being said, today's episode of Hormozhi Hotline, I think we've got an interesting cast
00:00:39of characters.
00:00:40We'll see.
00:00:41I have no idea, actually.
00:00:42I'm mostly saying that to increase our stakes.
00:00:44This will be cold, cold, cold, cold.
00:00:48With that being said, what's up in the chat?
00:00:50Rudy.
00:00:51How's it going?
00:00:52Ahmed.
00:00:53Aaron, what's going on?
00:00:55Sobhan Ahmed, another Ahmed, actually.
00:00:59Tenz Tintz, what's up?
00:01:02Easy work.
00:01:03Caio, salutations.
00:01:04All right.
00:01:05Let's blow this popsicle stand.
00:01:06Hello?
00:01:07Hey, Alex.
00:01:08Hey, what's up?
00:01:09Not too much.
00:01:10My name's Paul.
00:01:11All right.
00:01:12Go for it.
00:01:25Yeah, but my name's Paul, I want a business that sells cannabis seeds to ventures and home
00:01:42growers.
00:01:43We make around 200,000 per month, and I want to have two and a half million in my bank account
00:01:54by November.
00:01:55I want to start my family and empower my fiance, and I need money to start my next business
00:02:05just by getting it shut down.
00:02:08So Alex, if you were in my shoes, how would you fit two and a half million dollars to your
00:02:16bank account in less than eight months?
00:02:18Well, first off, man, I'm sorry you're going through it.
00:02:19Okay.
00:02:20So how much cash you got right now?
00:02:21500,000.
00:02:22Okay.
00:02:23So we need another 200 after taxes, right?
00:02:26Sorry, two million after taxes.
00:02:27Yeah, another two million.
00:02:28Okay.
00:02:29So another two million after taxes.
00:02:30Selling the business is going to be pretty hard because of the same issues.
00:02:31All the 200 a month that you're making, what do you make it in profit?
00:02:3270%.
00:02:3370?
00:02:34Yeah.
00:02:35That's not bad.
00:02:36Okay.
00:02:37So you got eight months times 200.
00:02:38So it's 1.7.
00:02:39So we're looking at what?
00:02:54A little over a million bucks in profit over the next eight before taxes?
00:03:07Yeah.
00:03:08Okay.
00:03:09So what's magic about two and a half million versus the million that you'll have after taxes
00:03:16and after everything?
00:03:17I guess it's less stress in general if I could have that to an event, then it would be a massive
00:03:27income for myself and my friend to live.
00:03:32So you're thinking living like four or five percent and then make a hundred thousand dollars
00:03:37a year passively.
00:03:38Is that what you're thinking?
00:03:43Exactly.
00:03:44Okay.
00:03:45What's your fiance do?
00:03:46She's a traveling service technician but we're both a bit older so we would like to just start
00:03:54a family as soon as we can and I don't want her to worry and be pregnant.
00:04:00Okay.
00:04:01So the difficulty with this is the time constraint.
00:04:07So you've got eight more months to sell your seeds, right?
00:04:14Before it becomes illegal, correct?
00:04:16And so I'm guessing you're not trying to like sell another product to that same base?
00:04:21I'm open to it.
00:04:24Okay.
00:04:25Well, if you were like I'm trying to cash out, which is what it sounds like, I would probably
00:04:31do two things.
00:04:33So the first thing I would do is I would look at your fiance's hours and given we are early
00:04:37in the year, I would see if she could get basically I don't know how much she makes but I'm guessing
00:04:42it's less than you.
00:04:43That could be it.
00:04:44Is that correct?
00:04:45Yeah.
00:04:46Okay.
00:04:47Correct.
00:04:48So if it's less than you then I would encourage you to look up real estate professional status
00:04:51for your fiance which is 750 hours a year.
00:04:55So that's thing one.
00:04:57Thing two is that I would from a business perspective and I'll loop around why.
00:05:01The second thing is that from a business perspective I would basically do a going out of business
00:05:05sale.
00:05:06All right.
00:05:07Going out of business sales and I would run them hardcore between now and the eight months.
00:05:10And so you'll oftentimes be able to double, triple sales as long as there's legitimate
00:05:15urgency which there is because you literally are.
00:05:18Everything must go, right?
00:05:21And the nice thing is that you have the best reason of all time which is the U.S. government
00:05:25is shutting down our ability to ship seeds.
00:05:27That's the hook.
00:05:28And so if you want them you've got to buy them now.
00:05:31Everything must go.
00:05:32So this is pure direct response.
00:05:33We're not trying to build brand.
00:05:34We're trying to liquidate, right?
00:05:37Yeah.
00:05:38You with me?
00:05:41Okay.
00:05:42Yeah.
00:05:43Because if we could see like a 50 percent or even 100 percent improvement in revenue just
00:05:47from the -- how are you selling right now?
00:05:49E-com.
00:05:50Okay.
00:05:51Yeah.
00:05:52I mean if it's direct-to-consumer this will work.
00:05:55And then where's the creative?
00:05:56Like what's the -- how are you making creative?
00:05:58You mean creative as far as like content for the website or what do you mean?
00:06:03Yeah.
00:06:04How are people finding?
00:06:05You have an e-commerce site.
00:06:06But like are -- I mean is our ads legal or is content like what's the -- what's driving
00:06:10them?
00:06:11As a business was it hard enough I chose a restricted niche.
00:06:16Yeah.
00:06:17No, no.
00:06:18It's not possible to do any kind of advertising.
00:06:19Yeah.
00:06:20No, no, no.
00:06:21It's actually majority organic referral and it's here.
00:06:26Got it.
00:06:28So I'll say this just like if this makes you feel a little bit better.
00:06:33There's a trade that you made when you picked the business which is that you operate in a
00:06:36business that has 70 percent net margins.
00:06:39And part of the reason that you get to operate with those margins is because of the risk that's
00:06:42associated and because of the difficulties in exiting and the regulatory risk that you
00:06:46are now being exposed to.
00:06:48So I wouldn't see it as like I can't believe this is happening.
00:06:50It's more like this is the cost and benefit of being in this business.
00:06:54Just from a reframe perspective.
00:06:59That being said you want to get to two and a half million which realistically means you
00:07:01want $100,000 in passive income.
00:07:05And so what I would suggest doing is I would basically let every single person know on the
00:07:13site.
00:07:14That would be a banner.
00:07:15That would be e-mails to your list.
00:07:16That would be talking -- and then if you have distributors I would let them know that everything
00:07:20must go.
00:07:21And that would be -- obviously it's because of the U.S. kind of overhang.
00:07:27I would probably do some -- like try to -- do you have enough seeds to sell?
00:07:31Can you sell more seeds?
00:07:34We have -- I got probably two and a half million seeds.
00:07:38Okay.
00:07:39Great.
00:07:40Okay.
00:07:41Then I would probably run some of these offers that are a little bit more egregious and direct
00:07:44response-y which would be like buy six, get six, buy two -- I'm sure your markups are great,
00:07:50right?
00:07:51Yeah.
00:07:52The current offer that we have that actually may be for AI is it's 50 seeds for 175 and
00:08:01then for 420 we're going to do 100 seeds for -- no, sorry, 153 seeds for 210.
00:08:08Okay.
00:08:09I mean I just -- I'm sure your cost is low though if you're running 70% net margins.
00:08:13I would definitely like consider doing BOGOs and like buy two to get four, buy three to
00:08:18get six, buy three to get six.
00:08:21Like some wild offers because you can't ship them after the deadline, right?
00:08:28Yeah.
00:08:29So basically the goal is number one, sell out of inventory.
00:08:33Run the direct response place that you can and as the date, you know, comes down I would
00:08:37want to have a countdown timer on your site to when it stops being legal.
00:08:40That's number one.
00:08:42Number two, every month run a different promotion out of the Money Models book and ACQA can help
00:08:46you with this of just some flavor of BOGO, just some sort of thing and also if you have
00:08:50any kind of accessories or anything like that I would throw that in as well because again
00:08:53you got to get rid of everything anyways, right?
00:08:57So that's thing two.
00:08:59Thing three is that if we can run these margins and maybe even double the top line just for
00:09:03these kind of eight months going into it, you can actually get close to your $2 million goal
00:09:08but we can actually keep it from a post-tax basis if your fiance can get real estate professional
00:09:13status and then you can take that and put it into a building or put it into a REIT or something
00:09:19like literally just like you can put it into a multifamily building, you can put it into
00:09:22real estate and then if she has real estate professional status then you can take the depreciation
00:09:28from the building against your active income if you file jointly.
00:09:33So I would legally marry her before then.
00:09:36Like ASAP if you plan to get married, I would do it.
00:09:38Get her to file so she gets her 750 hours as long as it's greater than her main business
00:09:43but if you're going to save 37% on $2 million it's her basically bringing in $700,000, $800,000
00:09:50to the bottom line in terms of net worth ad which then if you translate that at 5% a year
00:09:54is her bringing an extra $40,000 a year forever because of this move.
00:10:00Is that track?
00:10:03>> Yeah.
00:10:04>> Does that help?
00:10:06>> No.
00:10:07>> Okay.
00:10:08Good.
00:10:09Well I'm sorry you're going through this.
00:10:13The upside is that like you run the margins you have because of the nature of the business
00:10:16you're in but the best thing in the world for a marketer is a crisis.
00:10:23Like nothing sells like crisis because you have a legitimate reason why.
00:10:28That's what every marketer wants is a legitimate reason why.
00:10:31Why are we running this offer?
00:10:32Because it's about to be illegal.
00:10:34It's so good.
00:10:36>> That's a good point.
00:10:39>> Yeah.
00:10:40Lean into it.
00:10:41I want countdown timers.
00:10:42I want scarcity.
00:10:43I want urgency.
00:10:44You got eight months to run this thing hard and then you can set yourself up for your next
00:10:47thing.
00:10:48Cool?
00:10:49>> Yeah.
00:10:50That sounds good.
00:10:51I appreciate that.
00:10:52>> Appreciate you man.
00:10:53Sorry that you're going through it but hey I think you'll come out the other side better.
00:10:56>> I appreciate that Alan.
00:11:00You're the best.
00:11:01>> You bet man.
00:11:02You are.
00:11:03Appreciate you.
00:11:04>> All right.
00:11:05He's talking about washing drug money with real estate now.
00:11:09What?
00:11:10This is legal.
00:11:11Per my understanding.
00:11:13Selling seeds are legal.
00:11:14So all right.
00:11:15Calm down everybody.
00:11:17Thoughts on working on a skilled trade versus working door-to-door sales.
00:11:21That's tough.
00:11:24That is super tough because I think both are actually fine.
00:11:26Like door-to-door is not going to be disrupted by AI nearly as much as some of the other sales
00:11:31things for a much longer period of time.
00:11:33Basically door-to-door and trades will be disrupted I think at the exact same time.
00:11:36If not trades may even be disrupted first because I don't have people who are like opening up
00:11:42the door to a robot and then saying I'll buy your thing.
00:11:46I think most people will be more comfortable slamming a door in a robot's face because there's
00:11:49no social pressure which is basically what door-to-door is built on.
00:11:52So I think that's probably how I think about it.
00:11:56Let's go.
00:11:57Go-go gadget next.
00:11:58Call it.
00:11:59>> Beer.
00:12:00>> What is it?
00:12:01>> A beer.
00:12:02>> A beer.
00:12:03What's up?
00:12:04>> Hey, Alex.
00:12:05This is a beer.
00:12:06I own a business that provides accounting and CFO services to e-commerce brands.
00:12:11>> Okay.
00:12:12>> I'm doing about six mil a year.
00:12:14My goal is to make the competition irrelevant.
00:12:19So I want to grow as much as I possibly can.
00:12:22What's stopping me though is I don't have a lead generation channel that's sufficiently
00:12:26effective that I can really ramp up growth a lot.
00:12:30I attended your L3 workshop several months ago.
00:12:33You recommended implementing a front-end offer and an affiliate program.
00:12:36I've done both.
00:12:37We are growing a lot since then so thank you for that.
00:12:42>> You're welcome.
00:12:43>> But one of the big challenges I have is while I think the affiliate offer is pretty
00:12:49solid and everybody I talk to will often admit that it's a no-brainer, I have a lot of difficulty
00:12:54getting them to just turn on and send those first referrals.
00:13:00There's that initial friction.
00:13:01So it is still working.
00:13:03The affiliates are having just not as much as I want and at the same time I'd like another
00:13:07channel that is short-term ROI as opposed to the affiliates which I know builds up over
00:13:13time and gives you a very low cost unstoppable funnel.
00:13:17>> Whoa.
00:13:18Do you have something in your background, by the way?
00:13:21>> I hope not.
00:13:22I'm sorry.
00:13:23I have feedback.
00:13:24Thank you.
00:13:25Oh, good.
00:13:26Okay.
00:13:27So a couple things.
00:13:28So first off, on the affiliate piece, we have to make sure that we're launching harder.
00:13:30So I think -- is there -- like what amount of money they're making if they -- like are
00:13:34you getting -- what kind of kickback are the affiliates getting?
00:13:36>> At the moment, 2K as soon as we close someone.
00:13:42>> Okay.
00:13:43So is there any way that you could dangle like 10 grand or something like that for somebody
00:13:52to do like a webinar with you and then you do like a -- you kind of like send e-mails
00:13:55to their audience and then you give them 10 grand up front and then you kind of do a draw
00:13:59out of it.
00:14:00So it's like the first 10 is guaranteed and then I'll also give you -- and so like once
00:14:03I get five, that's kind of counts towards the 10 and then after that it's two.
00:14:06And then what's a customer worth to you?
00:14:10>> I would say a fair bit.
00:14:11I mean we have almost no churn so thus far with the data that we have, I mean it's not
00:14:17reasonable to -- it's not unreasonable to think that 50, 60, I mean we have LTVs that go up
00:14:23into the six figures.
00:14:24>> Yeah.
00:14:25>> So it's a question of time.
00:14:27>> Okay.
00:14:28Well then, I mean fundamentally if you have a three to one LTV to CAC, right, I'm guessing
00:14:30-- what are gross profits on that?
00:14:31>> About 60-ish percent, 55.
00:14:35>> Okay.
00:14:36So call it 36 on 60 is what you make and 100K you're making 60K, right?
00:14:40So like 36 to 60K-ish, does that sound correct?
00:14:45Okay.
00:14:46>> Yeah.
00:14:47>> So I think you're undercompensating for the affiliate.
00:14:52So I'd be willing to give 6, 8, 10 even, you know, for a deal like that and that's per deal.
00:14:58Now right now you're starting lower which is fine, but given like you getting one customer
00:15:03can be on the low side worth 36 to you in gross profit, it's like I'm willing to give 10 for
00:15:07that all day.
00:15:08And so if I would just say, hey, I'll front you 10 to get started or like I'll -- let's
00:15:12say you offer two and you say, hey, but if we do the thing in the next 30 days, I'll give
00:15:16you three for each for life.
00:15:18>> That's fantastic, yeah.
00:15:20Okay.
00:15:21>> Just put a little bit of urgency into it.
00:15:24I do -- I think it's -- I don't want you to abandon the affiliate thing because I do think
00:15:27it's like the -- it's obviously working and so we need to tweak it rather than like let's
00:15:31start something else.
00:15:32It's like we're six inches away from gold.
00:15:34It's like let's drill the next six inches to get it over the hump, you know what I'm saying?
00:15:38>> No, 100 percent.
00:15:39>> Yeah.
00:15:40>> The impression that I've gotten and I don't know if you agree with this, at least your
00:15:43AI kind of felt this way, but the actual motivation for them is not purely financial.
00:15:49For them, some of the hesitation comes from just the general friction of activation and
00:15:53then the fact that they -- the social capital that comes with making a referral to a client.
00:15:59So that's why as much as possible, I try to position it as the offer is theirs, it's white-labeled,
00:16:04it's value to the client.
00:16:06And again, they all say it's a no-brainer, so I think that aspect is there, but --
00:16:09>> Yeah.
00:16:10>> So I'm more than happy to increase the commission per your recommendation.
00:16:13I do wonder if there's a psychological element out there outside of the fact that like dangling
00:16:17more money alone would not create it --
00:16:19>> Yeah.
00:16:20>> Like I don't know that it would double the activation.
00:16:21>> Yeah.
00:16:22So two things.
00:16:23One is I would -- I would consider making it ongoing, so I'd like consider raising -- because
00:16:25you have almost no churn.
00:16:26Do you have any sale -- like is getting someone to close when they get on the phone difficult?
00:16:29>> Sorry.
00:16:30I didn't hear the last one.
00:16:32>> What are your close rates?
00:16:35>> About 30, 35.
00:16:36>> Yeah.
00:16:37>> I was going to say, because like if we could get like a 10% boost in price, we could just
00:16:40hand all of that to the affiliate and make it ongoing.
00:16:45Because if you're white-labeling it, then you can position it as like -- so there's two angles
00:16:49to position this from.
00:16:50Number one is that with my services, they will -- I will make sure that they see your thing
00:16:54is free, right?
00:16:56So I'm going to do my economics to show them what they're saving with me, and they can count
00:16:58that towards what they see with you, and your thing is free forever.
00:17:02That's framing for them, right?
00:17:03That's sales beneficial.
00:17:05The second element is that a lot of people don't want to refer out their business for
00:17:08a one-time spiff, but if they can get 10%, 15% ongoing, they're probably way more likely
00:17:12to want to do it.
00:17:15>> Interesting.
00:17:16Okay.
00:17:17I actually offered both.
00:17:18I assumed the upfront hit might be a little bit more motivating.
00:17:23>> The thing is, I think honestly right now is like you're not offering enough, and so
00:17:26right now it feels like the money.
00:17:28It's like money isn't motivating.
00:17:29It's like, well, if you offer them $10, it's not motivating.
00:17:31If you offer them $1 million, it is, right?
00:17:33So there's an amount, right?
00:17:34So the thing is, is you have more than enough LTV to make up for it, and I think if they
00:17:40give you a little bit more of an assist, but I think the key element here in terms of making
00:17:43sure that it actually gets implemented faster is that you say that there's two plans.
00:17:51Call it 2K, 3K, or 3K, 10K, whatever, and they get the big one if they do it now.
00:17:57>> Okay.
00:17:59So basically creating a form of urgency for it.
00:18:02>> Yes.
00:18:03>> So the first 30 days, and the only reason we do that is because we found that people
00:18:06who do it in the first 30 days have by far the most success.
00:18:10Because there's really, like, and I don't know if you do this, but I would show them a roadmap,
00:18:13because think about risk, think of the value equation, right?
00:18:16You've got risk, speed, ease.
00:18:18So it's like how do we make it less risky?
00:18:20How do we make it faster, and how do we make it easier?
00:18:22So I would say, hey, we already have the emails written.
00:18:24I already took the liberty of, you know, writing that.
00:18:26Obviously, my AI can help you with that.
00:18:27So it's like take their brand, take the pre, you know, the email sequences and the text
00:18:31sequences.
00:18:32They have to go.
00:18:33They have to engage.
00:18:34There's nothing you have to do there.
00:18:36That's on the ease side.
00:18:37So it's like, and I'll go there, I'll send one of my team to, yeah, right, to actually
00:18:41plug it into your CRM to make that happen.
00:18:43That's the ease size.
00:18:44The second thing is risk.
00:18:46And so from risk perspective, one is like here's testimonials, number one.
00:18:52Number two, people are willing to take on risk if they're getting ongoing payments.
00:18:55Far more likely to.
00:18:56That's where I think the ongoing SPIF is something that's more valuable.
00:19:00And then from a speed perspective, that was the whole framing around the urgency.
00:19:04Right.
00:19:05Yes, that totally makes sense.
00:19:07With respect to the bit on the risk and the testimonials, I had the feeling that if I were
00:19:13to speed up the amount of the essentially offers like the cash cash, so the front end.
00:19:19So if I can get a lot more testimonials for that through a different channel, then it just
00:19:23speeds up the ability to generate that social proof wall and then again, faster revenue in
00:19:28the door today, in addition to adding the affiliate channel.
00:19:31Well, the fastest channel for you.
00:19:33Go ahead.
00:19:34No, go ahead.
00:19:35I was just going to ask you if it makes sense to try something like running an ad funnel
00:19:39for that.
00:19:40You absolutely can.
00:19:41I'm pretty sure I recommended affiliates because it didn't seem like it was like within your
00:19:44like realm of skill sets at the time.
00:19:45And so I was like, I want to take the highest likelihood bet as my first bet.
00:19:50Given where you're at, I still like, if I had my druthers, I'd want you to still redline
00:19:54this and go harder on it.
00:19:56Absolutely.
00:19:57I'd want you to 10, 12 and beyond.
00:20:00Do I think that having an ad funnel is in the future of the business?
00:20:02Yes, I do.
00:20:04But I just want to have this base of affiliates that's feeding you first.
00:20:08From an ad funnel perspective.
00:20:10I think that it would be almost content driven because this is a very authority, like this
00:20:13is an authority thing.
00:20:14Like they're literally coming to you for like CFO, you know what I mean?
00:20:17Like they, they have to use an authority figure.
00:20:19And so I think the logos of the brands, the size of the brands that you have being mentioned
00:20:24as long as they're okay with it in the ads plus like two or three very clear tactical
00:20:29hooks and angles of things that they're not thinking about or that their generic bookkeeper
00:20:33or CPA is leaving out that is going to have a dramatic effect on the business.
00:20:36And so it's like, I would, I know this sounds wild, but like try and ROI yourself before
00:20:40the call.
00:20:44You mean like a calculator closed I think?
00:20:45No, no, no.
00:20:46Try to ROI yourself in the content that you're putting out that becomes the ads.
00:20:49Ah, okay.
00:20:51So here's the next steps on the ad funnel side.
00:20:54I prefer you still double down on the affiliate thing, but the next steps look like this.
00:20:59Post a shitload of content about you doing stuff with the clients that you currently
00:21:03serve and the size and the savings, all of that, right?
00:21:07And talk about all the tiny little tactics that you do with those businesses.
00:21:12Then you can hook up many chat to those organic content pieces, drive them to just inbound
00:21:19leads, so you'll get leads from that.
00:21:21And that can go opt in, VSL, close.
00:21:25And then once you know the highest performing content pieces, you can take all that content
00:21:28and immediately just distribute them as ads to the same funnel.
00:21:32Okay.
00:21:34That's very helpful.
00:21:36And then just to pivot back to the affiliate for the moment, most of the ones that I have
00:21:40been managing to acquire are somewhat warm people like agencies and people in the network
00:21:47that I know.
00:21:50Is it worse than going that step further to like the cold affiliate acquisition?
00:21:55Obviously, it's functional, but the amount of--
00:21:57Yeah.
00:21:58If I had my druthers--
00:21:59Even from cold is harder.
00:22:00Yeah.
00:22:01If I had my druthers, I would actually advertise to B2B agencies via ads instead, because there's
00:22:07so many e-commerce agencies.
00:22:08So like you'd walk a lead magnet to them and then--
00:22:10Yeah.
00:22:11And I would just get them on the phone and say, "Listen, I have an offer that is only
00:22:13me making you money, not costing you money, but here's the deal."
00:22:15Right.
00:22:19Think about it this way.
00:22:20If you give six grand upfront, and let's say an agency has 30 clients, okay, they do a webinar
00:22:25with you and let's say half of their customers take it.
00:22:28That's 15 out of 30.
00:22:29If they're getting six grand upfront, they make 90,000 in the first month with you.
00:22:34That's a hell of a testimonial.
00:22:36Right.
00:22:37And then they can have testimonials of--
00:22:39Exactly.
00:22:40--affiliates to--
00:22:41Exactly.
00:22:42--social proof more affiliates.
00:22:43Exactly.
00:22:44So the pain points are going to be different.
00:22:45So it's like you're probably dealing with LTV issues, churn issues, them constantly doing
00:22:50XYZ.
00:22:51It's like what if you could onboard a customer, and even if they leave you, you still keep
00:22:54getting paid?
00:22:55That's solid.
00:22:56Right?
00:22:57Cool.
00:22:58I got to jump to the next person, but that help you out?
00:23:02Fantastic.
00:23:03All right.
00:23:04Of course.
00:23:05Thank you so much for your time.
00:23:06Appreciate you, Ben.
00:23:07Rock and roll.
00:23:08Appreciate you.
00:23:09Bye.
00:23:10For those of you who are curious, I think there was some questions in the chat.
00:23:15I'm taking calls from Vantage, which is our new group that we just opened up after six
00:23:20months to the public.
00:23:22March 1st, we just opened it up.
00:23:24It's for Million Dollar Plus founders.
00:23:25I'm sure there's a link somewhere.
00:23:27You can go grab it, and you can also submit questions there if you're a Million Dollar
00:23:31Plus founder.
00:23:32Otherwise, this is just way more enjoyable for me than making direct-to-camera content
00:23:35because it's like real business.
00:23:37So yeah, that's my candid, my being real with you.
00:23:41All right.
00:23:42At what point in someone's business journey is someone ready to date and find a partner?
00:23:46I feel like those are two entirely separate things.
00:23:53I think I'll say this.
00:23:57I think that if you are ambitious and you work your ass off, if that's a guy who's asking
00:24:03that question, women will be attracted to you because they see that you, I think women care
00:24:08less about resources and more of the ability to acquire resources, especially when you're
00:24:13younger.
00:24:14So that's my two cents.
00:24:15To be clear, I'm not saying they don't care about resources.
00:24:17I'm just saying I think the thing that matters more is the ability to gather those resources.
00:24:20All right.
00:24:21Let's do the next one.
00:24:24Jake.
00:24:25Alex, what's going on, brother?
00:24:28Can you hear me okay?
00:24:30I can.
00:24:31What's up?
00:24:32What's happening?
00:24:33What's going on, man?
00:24:34I just want to say first before we start that you made me a lot of money, more than I ever
00:24:38thought I could make, and I want to thank you for everything you're doing, man.
00:24:42I really do appreciate it.
00:24:43Well, thank you for actually taking action.
00:24:45It fills my heart.
00:24:47So what's cooking?
00:24:48Oh, yeah, man.
00:24:49Yeah.
00:24:50So I'm getting a little feedback, so I might mess up here.
00:24:53However, I run a marketing agency for B2B SaaS service, mostly professional services.
00:25:01We did about $1.2 million trailing 12 months.
00:25:06I want to do 10.
00:25:07Okay.
00:25:08Bottleneck right now is I'm totally key man risk in sales and extension.
00:25:12All right.
00:25:13The only one that can reliably close and upsell clients.
00:25:16Thanks to your money models book, though, so our core offer is the front end 16 weeks guaranteed
00:25:24to qualify costs for these folks.
00:25:26I close like 34%.
00:25:27All right.
00:25:29The closer that I hire them, the U.S. closes 0%.
00:25:32That is worse than 34%.
00:25:33Like, terrible.
00:25:34Yeah.
00:25:35Quite bad.
00:25:36Yeah.
00:25:37The math don't math.
00:25:38Problem is I'm in Spain.
00:25:40Yeah.
00:25:41Okay.
00:25:42He's in the U.S., so he has a full calendar.
00:25:44I have a half calendar.
00:25:45All right.
00:25:46Right.
00:25:47So that's problem number one.
00:25:48Problem number two is on the back end, only about 10 to 15% of pilots ascend to our long
00:25:53term.
00:25:54We have a bolt on.
00:25:55Yeah.
00:25:56Nobody's buying it.
00:25:57Okay.
00:25:58Yeah.
00:25:59All right.
00:26:00Let's do it.
00:26:01Even though.
00:26:02Yeah, go ahead.
00:26:03Right.
00:26:04Okay.
00:26:05We dramatically outperform the promise, though.
00:26:06Okay.
00:26:07So we get about 59.8 calls for these folks over 16 weeks.
00:26:11Okay.
00:26:12Let's just separate the problems into one at a time, though.
00:26:14So problem number one is that you're dealing with a closer issue, and problem number two
00:26:19is that you have a lack of ascension.
00:26:21Right?
00:26:22Yes.
00:26:23Are you taking the ascension calls?
00:26:28I will hop in when we've identified an opportunity for it.
00:26:32Well, who's taking the ascension calls?
00:26:33But not as often as I should, because my calendar is full.
00:26:36But who's taking the ascensions?
00:26:40I have a CS leader who's essentially taking those and making those offers, and I will kind
00:26:46of check it up, but it's not really refined as a process, I guess.
00:26:50Got it.
00:26:51My team's also telling you to turn down the volume on me.
00:26:54That might help with the feedback.
00:26:56Okay.
00:26:57Okay.
00:26:58So let's deal with problem number one, which is that you haven't been able to duplicate
00:27:01a salesperson.
00:27:02So number one is, do you have a script?
00:27:05Yeah.
00:27:06Yes.
00:27:07And this guy, is he following said script?
00:27:12He's very script adherent, but he's not asking the sort of, what's behind that?
00:27:18How do you mean by this, specifically?
00:27:20He's okay with surface level answers.
00:27:24Right.
00:27:25And so you have the sales handbook that I have, right?
00:27:28My sales handbook?
00:27:29Absolutely.
00:27:30Yeah.
00:27:31Okay.
00:27:32So the issue that we're missing is you just have to train him on saying these two things,
00:27:37literally.
00:27:38All right.
00:27:39And you're going to role play with this.
00:27:42Can you tell me more about that?
00:27:43Can you give me an example?
00:27:45And you're going to rotate back and forth.
00:27:47And so he says, "Hey, what brought you on the call today?"
00:27:50"I saw this and that."
00:27:51"Okay.
00:27:52I'm guessing you're not doing this and that all day.
00:27:54What problem are you trying to solve?"
00:27:55"I'd like to get more calls."
00:27:56"Okay.
00:27:57Tell me more about that."
00:27:59And then they tell you more about that.
00:28:01And then you say, "Can you give me an example?"
00:28:03And he's like, "Well, X, Y, Z."
00:28:05And you're like, "Huh.
00:28:06Tell me more about that."
00:28:07You literally alternate back and forth.
00:28:08You can tell me more about that.
00:28:09Can you give me an example?
00:28:10Tell me more about that.
00:28:11Tell me an example.
00:28:12Until you get something meaty.
00:28:13It's just way better than saying Y, Y, Y, right?
00:28:15It's the equivalent of that pain cycle for someone.
00:28:18So you have to role play with him on that part.
00:28:21And so he's getting the first part of the script but he's not learning how to dig for pain.
00:28:29And so the first part of the…
00:28:30Yeah.
00:28:31That could be true.
00:28:32Yeah.
00:28:33But also, what I was just curious about is the offer not – obviously, we've been – my
00:28:39idea on the ascension is that the people who do ascension…
00:28:41Hold on.
00:28:42Hold on.
00:28:43We're talking one problem at a time.
00:28:44One problem at a time.
00:28:45One problem at a time.
00:28:46There's the front end sale and there's the ascension.
00:28:47Got it.
00:28:48We're not talking about ascension.
00:28:49We're talking about front end sale because that's what's fucking up right now.
00:28:50We're talking about front end sale and the ascension because you got to take the front
00:28:52end sales.
00:28:53Right?
00:28:54Yeah.
00:28:55And he's talking to these middle market people and there's the multi-threading aspect.
00:29:00There's the sales cycle aspect.
00:29:02He's going to bring in people at the table, the director of marketing and stuff like this.
00:29:06Well, how do you close?
00:29:08How are you closing?
00:29:09Are you doing that?
00:29:10Absolutely.
00:29:11Yeah.
00:29:12Okay.
00:29:13Let me say this differently, you're doing something that he's not doing.
00:29:23You have to identify what you do that he's not doing and get him to do that.
00:29:28He might also be doing things that you don't do or saying things that you don't do and
00:29:32you got to get him to stop doing those things.
00:29:39The only way you're going to do that is through role playing.
00:29:41The only way you're going to do that is through role playing.
00:29:45How often are you role playing with him?
00:29:46Yeah, I hear you.
00:29:48Every day.
00:29:51How do you role play?
00:29:53Yeah.
00:29:55We give an example of said person, the SaaS company, I'm doing this, like whatever we get
00:30:00from the marketing form that comes in.
00:30:04And then we just start with the scripts and it goes through the scripts.
00:30:07And perfect.
00:30:08I mean, it seems like great.
00:30:12And then he gets on the call.
00:30:13I mean, this guy is a good salesperson.
00:30:15He's done all types of sales, this and that.
00:30:17First time doing remote though.
00:30:19Okay.
00:30:20But he fits the parameters from like a psychological perspective.
00:30:23I just, I'm a marketing guy.
00:30:25I know like an ad works when an ad works, a landing page works when a landing page works.
00:30:29But when I think about sales, it's quite difficult for me to understand like what am I doing differently
00:30:33that he's not.
00:30:34It's hard for me to identify these things.
00:30:36You just have to like, if he's saying the initial questions and he's not quote digging for pain,
00:30:40it's likely that you're trying to get him to sell like you.
00:30:45And this may sound in contrast to what I was saying before.
00:30:48But it's more than like when you create a truly good script, it doesn't require an expert to
00:30:52sell it.
00:30:53And so if you have a purely authoritative, consultative based selling style, which a lot
00:30:57of founders do, then it requires on you knowing more than the prospect and then them being
00:31:02impressed by you because you get really into the weeds and they're like, wow, and they buy,
00:31:07right?
00:31:08That is not how you can teach a team to sell.
00:31:13We have to dig into the pain but for absolutely no solution.
00:31:22So all we do-- That's absolutely right.
00:31:24Yeah.
00:31:25So the part that you're missing in your sales process and the part that you need to review
00:31:27and probably train with him is the discovery process.
00:31:31So if we break the script right now, so when you're doing your role playing, are you theming
00:31:34the day?
00:31:35Say again, sorry.
00:31:38So if I'm training somebody on sales, I'm going to train them differently all five days of
00:31:44the week.
00:31:45So on Monday, we're going to work on the intro purely.
00:31:47How do we open the call?
00:31:48How do we set the frame and just go back and forth on that part of the script?
00:31:52That's it.
00:31:53We're going to role play that 10 times for the day.
00:31:55That's it.
00:31:56Tomorrow, we're going to go through disco, we're going to go through discovery.
00:32:00And we're going to basically practice.
00:32:02Tell me more about that.
00:32:03Can you give me an example?
00:32:04Tell me more about that.
00:32:05Can you give me an example?
00:32:06Now the second part of discovery as we transition into pitch is going to be the recap, which
00:32:11is so it sounds like you match what they said the problem is to what you solve.
00:32:16So it sounds like you've got-- You said this, this, and this.
00:32:18It sounds like you've got an ads issue and it sounds like you've got a funnel issue.
00:32:21Does that sound about right?
00:32:23Great.
00:32:24Once we basically do a pain stack at the end of that pain cycle, so we figured out problem
00:32:28one, problem two, problem three.
00:32:30And the sub-problems, you say, OK, because you said X, Y, Z. It sounds like you've got
00:32:33that.
00:32:34Is that true?
00:32:35Z, Y, W. It sounds like you've got this.
00:32:37Is that true?
00:32:38Great.
00:32:39So we get agreement on the problems.
00:32:40You say, you know what?
00:32:41I think it'd be a perfect fit for what we've got.
00:32:42Can I tell you a little bit about it?
00:32:43Great.
00:32:44Now we're in pitch.
00:32:45So on Wednesday, we practice the pitch.
00:32:46Now the pitch should be short, man.
00:32:48Pitch is like 60 to 90 seconds top.
00:32:50It's three things.
00:32:52We do X, we do Y, we do Z. And for each of X, Y, and Z, we have an unbelievable example
00:32:57of why it would be ridiculous not to believe what I'm saying.
00:33:02So you're doing $2 million a year.
00:33:05That's fine.
00:33:06It doesn't matter.
00:33:07Is he setting for you?
00:33:08So you just cut it off at O. You just cut it off at O and then you move to review and cap
00:33:12and then S when you go to the second call?
00:33:14You still got to go CLO again.
00:33:16You still have to reset the frame.
00:33:19OK.
00:33:20Is he setting and closing for himself?
00:33:22Yeah, for himself.
00:33:25Do you have a VSL between?
00:33:26You have too many calls.
00:33:27We have a super good VSL and a super good thank you video.
00:33:32Like 300 calls, 200 live calls a month right now.
00:33:38Right.
00:33:39And so.
00:33:40All right.
00:33:41Tell me what this offer is.
00:33:42Real quick.
00:33:43I would love for you to know.
00:33:45Yeah.
00:33:46So it's 16 weeks, 20 qualified calls.
00:33:51It is either they can split split pay that for eight and eight, eight now, eight at launch
00:33:59or 13.4.
00:34:00My plan is like just increase that as we keep getting more results.
00:34:04Sure.
00:34:05And then we have a bolt on there.
00:34:06What's the qualifier for them to get on the call?
00:34:10Say again.
00:34:11What's the qualifier to get on the call?
00:34:15Their ticket price has to be for their product, their ACV has to be over 30K.
00:34:21What about their revenue?
00:34:22500K.
00:34:23Okay.
00:34:24Yeah.
00:34:25I mean, that price point's fine.
00:34:28All that stuff works.
00:34:29So do they not believe you?
00:34:34I mean, the thing is too though, is that like what I've noticed is that he's not opening
00:34:40the doors and closing them.
00:34:41Like he's not killing zombies, preferably.
00:34:43Yeah.
00:34:44He's fucking up Discovery.
00:34:45Oh, I don't know if that's going to work for me.
00:34:48He's fucking up Discovery.
00:34:49I mean, I'm just saying everything you're saying, he's missing his disco.
00:34:52He's just got, you need to role play him on disco.
00:34:53That's the issue.
00:34:54I'm just like, that's the real problem.
00:34:56So right now, if that's the core issue, then you're probably going to disco more times.
00:34:59And then once he gets unfucked on disco, then every day of the week you go intro, you go
00:35:03train on disco.
00:35:04Then you train on pitch.
00:35:05Then you train on close, which is objection handling.
00:35:07And then on Friday, you train again on the thing that he's weakest at, which probably
00:35:10for a while also still be Discovery.
00:35:12That's the training cycle.
00:35:13And don't let him just say the script.
00:35:15Don't let him just say the script.
00:35:17He goes to the script and stop him the moment he fucks up, and then get him to do it the
00:35:21right way and try again.
00:35:22You have to stop him in real time.
00:35:24Otherwise, if he just goes through it and then try and give him feedback at the end, it's
00:35:27not going to work.
00:35:28It's not how people learn.
00:35:31So you should tell him up front.
00:35:33Yeah.
00:35:34Yes.
00:35:35100%.
00:35:36And so you have to set the stage up front.
00:35:38Hey, listen, man.
00:35:39I'm going to role play with you.
00:35:40I'm going to change how we're doing it.
00:35:41The moment I see you mess up or not do something wrong, I'm going to correct you.
00:35:45But here's the thing.
00:35:46If you're doing it right, I want you to have your thumb up, and I want you to nod while
00:35:48he's talking.
00:35:49So I want to have that visual feedback that is doing a good job when he's doing it right.
00:35:53And then as soon as he gets it right, say, great.
00:35:56Let's lock it in.
00:35:57Do it again.
00:35:58Great.
00:35:59Do it again.
00:36:00So let's say you get something wrong.
00:36:01You say, awesome.
00:36:02Do it like this.
00:36:03He does it.
00:36:04If he does it correctly, then you have to do it three more times before he gets to move
00:36:06on.
00:36:09Rock and roll, man.
00:36:10Dude.
00:36:11All right?
00:36:12Yeah.
00:36:13That's the thing that's missing right now.
00:36:14All right.
00:36:15If you have a sales problem, you'll be able to have the bandwidth to go solve the ascension
00:36:18issue.
00:36:19Because honestly, you just need to take the ascension calls for now, put a VSL there, and
00:36:23you should be fine.
00:36:24You have a CS person doing sales.
00:36:25Obviously, that's the issue.
00:36:26Yeah.
00:36:27No, you're absolutely right.
00:36:28I really do appreciate it.
00:36:29I mean, I'm glad to know that the offer looks good.
00:36:32It's fine, dude.
00:36:33Honestly, it's underpriced.
00:36:34It's actually a little underpriced right now, but let's solve the sales problem.
00:36:37But I think, to a degree, you're too cheap for somebody-- like, think about it.
00:36:41You're charging $13,000 for somebody who has a $30,000 per customer.
00:36:46So it's like--
00:36:47I know.
00:36:48You know what I'm saying?
00:36:49I think it actually might be below the point of marginal cheapness, which is PMC.
00:36:54You might be so cheap, they don't even believe you can deliver.
00:36:59Like you might sound small time.
00:37:00Do you recommend just like racking up the price, because they're already planning on doing that?
00:37:03I think you sound small time, dude.
00:37:06It sounds too cheap.
00:37:07But on a $30,000 average, I mean, at least one or two clients' worth.
00:37:11Yeah, because I mean, we're signing folks that are like-- deals are like $500,000, $800,000,
00:37:17$145,000.
00:37:18Yeah, it's just not believable, dude.
00:37:20It's not believable.
00:37:21It's not believable.
00:37:22Yeah.
00:37:23I would go $15,000 a month, man.
00:37:26If these are the people you're dealing with, and they're signing $500,000 deals, then it's
00:37:29a rounding error.
00:37:30They just don't believe you can do it, because you're too cheap.
00:37:34So still break it into like per month, but the prepay or the split, do you like that kind
00:37:39of setup or should it be monthly?
00:37:40Yeah, dude, it shouldn't even matter.
00:37:42If they're actually making that amount of money from customers, they shouldn't even need a
00:37:44payment plan.
00:37:45Like $13,000, $8,000, $8,000, it's like-- it's irrelevant.
00:37:48Yeah, I hear you.
00:37:51Right?
00:37:52Shit, man.
00:37:53They just don't believe you.
00:37:54It's too cheap.
00:37:56And then take the ascension calls.
00:37:57Yeah.
00:37:58And just crush it.
00:37:59Yeah, that's it.
00:38:00Drill, disco with him.
00:38:01Raise price.
00:38:02Take the ascension calls.
00:38:03One, two, three.
00:38:04Rock and roll, man.
00:38:05Hell yeah.
00:38:06Appreciate you, man.
00:38:07Hell yeah, dude.
00:38:08Appreciate you.
00:38:09Take care.
00:38:10Thanks, brother.
00:38:11For those of you guys who are in the chat, these are calls that I'm taking from ACQVantage,
00:38:17which is a community of the people who donated 1,000 books at the launch.
00:38:20We had it closed for six months.
00:38:21March 1st, we opened it back up for Million Dollar Plus founders.
00:38:24And for those of you who were like, help the people who aren't Million Dollar Plus.
00:38:27It's like, if only I gave all three of my books plus a trial of school for $16 for people
00:38:38who are not there.
00:38:40If only I did that.
00:38:42That is what I do, by the way.
00:38:43So if you want all three books, you can have all three hardback.
00:38:47As long as domestic US.
00:38:48I can't do it internationally because shipping is too much.
00:38:50But basically, you cover the cost of shipping.
00:38:52It's $5.33 a book for shipping.
00:38:54The school's free, and then it's $9 a month after that.
00:38:57You can go grab that.
00:38:58School.com/backpack.
00:39:00But for those of you guys who are Million Dollar founders, and you'd like to be on the call,
00:39:04hit the link.
00:39:05We'd love to have you.
00:39:06And so with that being said, let's rock your road.
00:39:08Not to be confused with Alex-- Hey, what's up, Alex?
00:39:12How are you?
00:39:13What's up, man?
00:39:14Not much.
00:39:15Just trying to get through it.
00:39:19Can't have a bad day with a name like that?
00:39:20All right.
00:39:21Go for it.
00:39:22My name's Alex.
00:39:23That's funny.
00:39:24That's funny.
00:39:25We did $560K in rev last year, but the issue is we lost about 90% of our leads.
00:39:3470% came from lead generation companies.
00:39:38The other 20% came from door-to-door.
00:39:42Other 10% was referral-based.
00:39:44What do you sell them in services?
00:39:47What do you sell them?
00:39:48Google PPC.
00:39:49What do you sell?
00:39:50We sell solar and battery storage systems to anybody that basically makes over $150K in
00:39:55income.
00:39:56Got it.
00:39:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:58I saw your comment in the group.
00:39:59I think I responded.
00:40:00Yes, you did.
00:40:01Okay, good.
00:40:02What'd I say?
00:40:03Okay.
00:40:04Helping and help a little bit.
00:40:05Oh, good.
00:40:06That's helpful.
00:40:07I'm glad to hear that.
00:40:08Okay.
00:40:09So 70% of your leads are coming from leads you buy, right?
00:40:12So you got brokers, and then you've got door-to-door for 20?
00:40:16Yes.
00:40:17Yes, but we were funneling through so many sales reps the last 24 months, we got to 15,
00:40:23so we just dropped that, and we tried to start doing the Google PPC because the lead generation
00:40:28companies we were using went out of business.
00:40:30Oh, word.
00:40:31Oh, shit.
00:40:32Were the leads good?
00:40:33Was it fine?
00:40:36From the lead company, yes, but we got some insight from a company that we're actively
00:40:45competing with that's a lot bigger than us, so like a behemoth.
00:40:49And they told us that Google PPC would work, and kind of like the intermingling content
00:40:54and stuff together, but I don't know if our offer's right.
00:40:57We've been running ads for 10 days, we're spending like 718 bucks, no leads, 2,000 impressions,
00:41:05115 clicks.
00:41:06Well, yeah, something's wrong.
00:41:08I don't know where to go.
00:41:09Yeah, so let me, before I jump into that, the business that went out of business that was
00:41:13giving you leads, what happened to the team?
00:41:19I don't know.
00:41:20They were all virtual, so I think they had near-shore people, but I don't know where
00:41:24to find those guys.
00:41:25I mean, you had a rep there, right?
00:41:27I'm sure you got a couple people's phone numbers, because if it was small enough to go out of
00:41:30business, right?
00:41:31Yes, I did.
00:41:33I think that the guys started another lead generation company, but their uptick in lead
00:41:38volume has been very slowed.
00:41:39Okay, well, I'll tell you, if I were in your shoes, I would reach out and try and get a
00:41:43hold of everyone in that company and try and find the person who was actually running the
00:41:47stuff for your account and offer him a job today, because he obviously was getting leads
00:41:54that was actually working.
00:41:55So I'm like, let's go get that guy one.
00:41:58Yeah, the issue is that we saw that they're all pushing the free solar narrative, and solar's
00:42:03not free, so it brings in a ton of unqualified people.
00:42:06You mean because the R&D credit's expired?
00:42:11I mean, I guess, but it just brings in people that are just BSers.
00:42:17Meh.
00:42:18Meh.
00:42:19Meh.
00:42:20So solar is super custom, and it has been, but the narrative has been, get in home, we
00:42:28can't give you a price until we get in home.
00:42:29So our thought is, we design free packages, run Google PPC to those packages, and just
00:42:35try to get people that way.
00:42:36But I don't know.
00:42:37Well, I would say your current way isn't working that well, right?
00:42:41No, I mean, we started a few years ago.
00:42:45So whenever I'm going to get into, like, if there's a behemoth in your space, I replicate
00:42:50before I iterate.
00:42:51So I would copy the existing thing before I get cute.
00:42:55Because like, new always sucks.
00:42:58Yeah.
00:42:59No, seriously, like, think about the apps in the App Store.
00:43:06They've been the same for, like, 20 years, because, like, new sucks always.
00:43:09So it's like, we don't earn the right to do new things until we replicate what already
00:43:14works.
00:43:15Also, I think- The behemoth that we're dealing with is, the
00:43:20behemoth is called Good Faith Energy, but they are a $39 million company, and they pride themselves
00:43:26on the number one solar company in Texas, Tesla Powerwall.
00:43:31That's really it.
00:43:32They really cling to Tesla heavily.
00:43:34Okay.
00:43:35So?
00:43:36But where do I go?
00:43:38Well, that doesn't matter.
00:43:39I just copy them and run with it?
00:43:41Yeah.
00:43:42I mean, you sell batteries, right?
00:43:43You sell the same deliverable, correct?
00:43:46Yeah.
00:43:47We're certified with all the same people.
00:43:49Is the product better?
00:43:50No.
00:43:51It comes from the same place.
00:43:53Okay.
00:43:54So it's the same?
00:43:56Yes.
00:43:57Okay.
00:43:58So if you have the same thing, how do you beat somebody?
00:44:01More money.
00:44:02No.
00:44:03No, no.
00:44:04It's a real question.
00:44:05If you have the same- Dude, if you've learned anything from my content, every player on the
00:44:08field always has an advantage.
00:44:10So what are your advantages?
00:44:12We can install anyone with under 60 days.
00:44:15Speed.
00:44:16So you're faster than them?
00:44:18Mm-hmm.
00:44:19Okay.
00:44:20So you got speed, number one.
00:44:21What about ease?
00:44:22Can you do anything for them?
00:44:23Just a little bit more white club than they do?
00:44:26Mm-hmm.
00:44:27I would say communication.
00:44:30That's been a big thing in so long.
00:44:33Yeah.
00:44:34Can I give you a hint?
00:44:36Yes.
00:44:37You can have my cell phone.
00:44:38I'm the founder.
00:44:39These guys are these big behemoths.
00:44:40They don't care.
00:44:41You're just a number.
00:44:42So you should always be able to beat these guys because you're not actually competing
00:44:46against the behemoth.
00:44:47You're competing against account rep number seven.
00:44:48Yeah.
00:44:49That's very true.
00:44:50Right.
00:44:51So you'll beat them on speed.
00:44:54You'll beat them on service.
00:44:56What else?
00:44:57I mean, price, but...
00:45:02I don't want you to win on price, man.
00:45:06Just do it on speed and do it on service, and I would replicate the offer that we already
00:45:10know works.
00:45:11Okay.
00:45:12I mean, I think we have a good base.
00:45:15We've got 65 reviews on Google.
00:45:17I've got 15k followers on Instagram, 200 on TikTok.
00:45:20I figured I could do something with it.
00:45:23Yeah.
00:45:24I do think that long-term, it makes more sense for you to use the Instagram to go attract
00:45:27door-to-door guys personally.
00:45:29I think it's higher leverage.
00:45:31One sales guy's going to make you a million bucks a year.
00:45:36One lead's not going to be worth very much from a house owner's perspective.
00:45:40No.
00:45:41I mean, revenue, you're looking at something like 40 to 70, but...
00:45:44Say it again.
00:45:45The gross profit for average ticket is like 40 to 70, but that's before paying for everything.
00:45:51Yeah.
00:45:52Net sales would be like 10.
00:45:54Yeah.
00:45:55Per sale.
00:45:56Right.
00:45:57So it's like, I'd rather go get a node that generates sales to salesperson who consistently
00:46:00can bring me, give me people.
00:46:01Now, you said you shut your door-to-door down, which I'm not even going to touch for now.
00:46:06But as I see this, here are my steps.
00:46:10Step number one is we got to get the, to the greatest degree possible, job offer the people
00:46:15who used to work your account that were getting you leads that were working.
00:46:18Thing number one.
00:46:19And just like, just do whatever you can to go get in touch with those people.
00:46:21Because whenever I have something that works, I never want to let it go.
00:46:24Right.
00:46:25Once you have a flow, never let it go.
00:46:26Ooh, that run.
00:46:27There you go.
00:46:28There you go.
00:46:29Little savante.
00:46:30Little rhyming action.
00:46:31Okay.
00:46:32So job offer that guy, number one.
00:46:33Number two is we got to replicate the existing offer from a lead gen perspective.
00:46:36Now when we win in the paint, we're going to win on the things that we have, which is going
00:46:40to be speed and service.
00:46:43Now what I would do is, do you have a manager who comes by and does like the, the, the tour
00:46:48walk around once the person gets the stuff installed, the battery installed?
00:46:54Oh yeah.
00:46:55Like a, like a post-sale survey type thing.
00:46:59Yeah.
00:47:00Yeah.
00:47:01So what I would do when that person...
00:47:02I can do it.
00:47:03Well actually what I want you to do is actually have your manager or like the, the, the crew
00:47:05runner, whatever.
00:47:07Have that guy...
00:47:08The operations director.
00:47:09Have that guy swing by and say, "Hey, how was the service?"
00:47:13They're going to, you know, how is the, how are the guys?
00:47:15They're going to say great or whatever.
00:47:17And then you're gonna say, "Hey, you know, ownership gives the guys a little spiff if
00:47:20you leave a review.
00:47:21I know it would mean the world to them."
00:47:24And so people are more likely to give a review because the people were there and they know
00:47:28that it's going to help those guys out.
00:47:30It's like, "Hey, you know, John and Dan, you know, they got families that helps them out.
00:47:33If you think they did a good job, if you leave them a review and put their name in it, it
00:47:36would mean a lot."
00:47:37That's their spistimodal extra.
00:47:39Okay.
00:47:41And then what if...
00:47:43And just have that guy give a thank you gift from the crew before asking for it.
00:47:47Say, "Hey, the crew got together and said you guys were an awesome homeowner.
00:47:50Here's a $50 thing.
00:47:52You know, just thanks for being a, you know, we get a lot of crazy people.
00:47:55So you were awesome.
00:47:56Thank you."
00:47:57Yeah.
00:47:58That'd be great.
00:47:59That's a good point.
00:48:00Okay.
00:48:01My last question would be to your first point where you said hire the person.
00:48:04If I can't hire them and they've started another company, if their uptick is slower, should
00:48:10I just try to beat everybody else to buy those leads?
00:48:13Yeah.
00:48:14Make a commitment.
00:48:15Say, "Listen, you're starting your business.
00:48:16I'm a small business owner too.
00:48:17We're in this together.
00:48:18If I succeed, you succeed.
00:48:20The more good leads I get, the more I can buy from you."
00:48:23Okay.
00:48:24You're too small for these guys.
00:48:25They're not taking you seriously, but you're just big enough for me.
00:48:27Yeah.
00:48:28No.
00:48:29Because...
00:48:30That's not what she said.
00:48:31Okay.
00:48:32Keep going.
00:48:33No.
00:48:34I was just saying the behemoth is getting all their traffic funneled to their contact page
00:48:39on their website based on their thousand reviews that they give.
00:48:42Yeah.
00:48:43So we got to get your reviews up, but you always have the best position, which is like, "Listen,
00:48:47at the behemoth, you're going to be house number 278.
00:48:50With me, you got all my attention.
00:48:51I'm here.
00:48:52Something breaks.
00:48:53Call me."
00:48:54Every single one of these reviews makes a huge difference in my life and my family's level.
00:48:57Make sure I'm going to take care of you.
00:49:00Okay.
00:49:01Step one is hire that person towards going with them, get all their volume.
00:49:07Step two is...
00:49:10Replicate the offer.
00:49:11Replicate the offer.
00:49:12Replicate the offer.
00:49:13Number three is win on speed and service.
00:49:14Step three is have the office director go to the site post install.
00:49:17Yes.
00:49:18And win on speed and service.
00:49:19That's your angle.
00:49:20So you don't compete on price.
00:49:22Got it.
00:49:23Cool?
00:49:24Dude, you are awesome.
00:49:25You're awesome, dude.
00:49:26I appreciate you.
00:49:27Thank you so much for everything you put out, man.
00:49:28That's great.
00:49:29You bet, dude.
00:49:30Let me know how it goes.
00:49:31All right.
00:49:32See you, man.
00:49:33All right.
00:49:3411 minutes left.
00:49:36So let's rock and roll.
00:49:40Let's miss yous and madames in the chat.
00:49:44Pirates life for me.
00:49:46So be good to customers and build relationships.
00:49:48Indeed.
00:49:49Wild shit.
00:49:50I know.
00:49:51Also, as a side note, to the peanut gallery, it is very easy to Monday morning quarterback
00:49:58into armchair like, oh, of course, you know, just like just make the food better.
00:50:03It's like it's very obvious to say that.
00:50:05But when you're running the actual business and like inventory is going bad and you have
00:50:08to, you know, pick between organic and and whatever chicken.
00:50:11And you've got one staff member who's hitting on somebody else and you're debating whether
00:50:15you should get in, you know, interferes so that they don't create a relationship.
00:50:18But at the same time, it's like you don't want to, you know, overstep your bounds as a boss.
00:50:22And you've got rent due and you got payroll due and you got marketing dollars.
00:50:26You got leads.
00:50:27You got work.
00:50:28It's like it's a lot of shit, man.
00:50:29It's very easy to say this and just be like, oh, yeah, just just, you know, X, Y, Z.
00:50:33It's like, no, it's like the big thing is this.
00:50:37The best entrepreneurs are allocators of resources.
00:50:41It means they get more for what they put in, which means they do two things better than
00:50:45other people.
00:50:47They're better at curating opportunities.
00:50:49And then once they curate, which means they see the opportunities, they then prioritize
00:50:52what they see.
00:50:53Most people can't do either.
00:50:55Some people can do one, very rare for people to do both.
00:50:58And so I would say an example of somebody who can do level one of strategy is, hey, here's
00:51:02six things.
00:51:03Which one do you think is more important?
00:51:04They're going to be like, I mean, some people get that wrong.
00:51:06But decent people will be like, well, I think that's more important than that.
00:51:09And then they'll be right.
00:51:11But the best entrepreneurs are like, oh, but did you see option door number three that you
00:51:14didn't think about?
00:51:16That's a 10X.
00:51:17That is the basis of strategy.
00:51:18So if you've ever heard the term strategy, it's the curation and prioritization of opportunities
00:51:23with the limited resources you have to deploy.
00:51:25That is what it means.
00:51:27Okay.
00:51:28Not Peter.
00:51:29Oh, I wonder who it is.
00:51:30Thoughts on the best type of sales for you to get in the spirits.
00:51:34Volume, brother.
00:51:35Volume.
00:51:36Every single phenomenal marketer that I know personally started with a high volume sales
00:51:40position.
00:51:41I know guys who started in high volume cold calling, number one.
00:51:44I know people who've done high volume door to door.
00:51:47I know a guy who sold at a car wash, sold 200 cars a day, walking through the door.
00:51:53You want something that gets you as many feedback loops as possible.
00:51:56That is my biggest piece of advice.
00:51:57The reason I'm a big fan of people who sold in fitness is because in fitness, so many people
00:52:01are trying to lose weight.
00:52:02You can take a hundred calls.
00:52:04You can see unlimited amounts of people if you're trying to sell weight loss.
00:52:08And so my recommendation, if you're trying to get into it, is don't worry about what you're
00:52:12earning.
00:52:13Worry about what you're learning.
00:52:14And you want to get as much volume as you possibly can in the shortest period of time.
00:52:17Okay.
00:52:18If you had to build a business while having massive bills to pay, dude, this is a five
00:52:21to nine special, baby.
00:52:23This is a five a.m. to nine p.m., sorry, five a.m. to nine a.m. and five p.m. to nine p.m.
00:52:27So those are your two bookends of the day.
00:52:29You got eight hours a day on the opposite ends of work schedule.
00:52:32And you got Saturday, Sunday.
00:52:33Now, if you're like, I'm still working all of those hours and I can barely make bills,
00:52:38then you got to look at your expenses, man.
00:52:40You got to look at your lifestyle.
00:52:41And you got to say like, where am I willing to give up on my ego so that I can achieve
00:52:46my dreams?
00:52:47And so sometimes you got to take a step back.
00:52:50But I mean, like, I say this, but I'm also somebody who, like, took a step back.
00:52:54Like I had a really nice condo.
00:52:56I mean, really nice.
00:52:57You know, it was relative, but it was $180,000 condo when I was 23, I think, 22.
00:53:07And it overlooked the city.
00:53:09And when I was there and I decided I was going to get into fitness, I sold everything I had.
00:53:13And I got in my car and I drove across the country and I started working minimum wage
00:53:17at a gym.
00:53:18And I lived in somebody's spare bedroom.
00:53:21And so all the people that I knew saw me in my swanky consulting job in my nice place.
00:53:27You can imagine the kind of step back that would be.
00:53:30And so if you're not willing to do that, you just don't want what you want enough.
00:53:33And that's fine.
00:53:34Just accept that, like, you just don't want.
00:53:36That's like you kind of want it.
00:53:37It's like you kind of want it like you want a six pack.
00:53:39It'd be nice.
00:53:40Right?
00:53:41But it's very different than saying you're just not going to eat cookies for a month.
00:53:44Right?
00:53:45All right.
00:53:46I'm ready to get wedding photographer clients from my new Google ads agency.
00:53:50Run Google ads.
00:53:53OK.
00:53:55So wedding photographers.
00:53:56Honestly, I know a bunch of people who've been in the wedding photographer space.
00:53:59It's actually very easy to generate leads in that space.
00:54:01The difficulty with them is that everybody and their mother is a wedding photographer
00:54:05or rather a photographer.
00:54:07And so the quality of the leads tends to be bad.
00:54:09And so you'll typically need a higher friction sales process to sell anything worthwhile.
00:54:13We call it like a 2K plus price point.
00:54:17And you'll want to start making content ASAP.
00:54:19And this kind of goes for everybody is that the world of content is merged with ads.
00:54:24So you make lots and lots of content.
00:54:26When content does well, take that content, run it as an ad to the thing you sell.
00:54:30And then if you still don't have big of a brand, bring them to a live webinar.
00:54:33I mean, if you have a small amount of traffic, bring them to a live call.
00:54:36If you have a little bit more traffic, you can bring to a webinar, which means you just
00:54:39send them a link to hop on a call with more people.
00:54:42And then you present stuff.
00:54:43And then you just solicit them to take a one-on-one call with you afterwards.
00:54:45It's a very simple funnel.
00:54:48You always talk about learning before earning.
00:54:50I missed that one.
00:54:51OK.
00:54:52Macro alchemist.
00:54:53Struggling to get clients for high ticket lead gen offer with no social proof yet new
00:54:56business.
00:54:57Start for free.
00:54:59Start for free.
00:55:01Because here's the thing.
00:55:03If you were trying to run some sort of marketing thing, you have to understand how silly it
00:55:07sounds to say like, I'm a good marketer, but I don't know how to get customers.
00:55:10It is kind of crazy, right?
00:55:11And so embedded within that is like you already are imbuing lack of proof.
00:55:17And so proof above everything.
00:55:19And so you have to compensate for the fact that you have no track record by winning where
00:55:23you can.
00:55:24You're going to win on service.
00:55:25You're going to say, listen, here's my cell phone.
00:55:26I'm the owner.
00:55:27I'm going to do everything I can to make sure.
00:55:28And number two, you have clearly an aligned incentive like, I need testimonials, dude.
00:55:32I need proof.
00:55:33And so I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that you win.
00:55:36Now the thing is that there's still costs for them because they're probably going to be fronting
00:55:39the money for the advertising.
00:55:40And so they're still going to lose money doing this if you suck.
00:55:43And so it's very reasonable for them to be hesitant with you.
00:55:48So you just have to-- I mean, you've got to kiss more toads, which means you've got to
00:55:51get in front of more people.
00:55:52And if you're like, how do I do that?
00:55:53Tell people that you work with them.
00:55:55You'll do five one-on-one calls with them for free.
00:55:57Very easy way to do it.
00:55:58And then at the end of the fifth call, if they still want to work with you, you can keep working
00:56:02with them for free.
00:56:03Or you work with them for x dollars.
00:56:04All right.
00:56:05So the whole deal here is lead with free.
00:56:08Lead with free.
00:56:09And if you're like, if I give my services away for free, then no one's going to pay you.
00:56:13Yeah, maybe not those people.
00:56:15But I'll promise you two things.
00:56:16If you're fucking good, they will want to pay you because you're making the money.
00:56:20And number two, if they don't want to pay you, you're probably not that good.
00:56:24But if they're still leaving you testimonial, then you have that testimony that you can give
00:56:28to somebody who will pay you because they don't have an anchor of free.
00:56:31So there you go.
00:56:33We're already working with someone.
00:56:34How would you handle this objection?
00:56:35Very simply, then why are you here?
00:56:38I'm guessing if you were really satisfied with whatever the thing that you have is, you wouldn't
00:56:41be on this call right now.
00:56:42Right?
00:56:43So they're probably not delivering something that you're hoping for.
00:56:44So what's the issue?
00:56:46Back in the sale.
00:56:47I remember, I'll tell you a story about this.
00:56:50I had a lady who walked in to the gym.
00:56:52And I got, you know, I presented the price.
00:56:54And then all of a sudden she was like, well, I already have a personal trainer.
00:56:57And I was like, well, you're obviously not happy with him because you're here.
00:57:05And she was like, well, that's fair.
00:57:06And I was like, right.
00:57:07So you said you wanted to lose weight.
00:57:09You haven't lost weight.
00:57:10You've been working with this other person.
00:57:11As far as I'm concerned, it just means that you're spending money that you're going to
00:57:13save.
00:57:14Sounds like a great deal to me.
00:57:15You're going to spend less with me than you are over there because I was doing semi-private.
00:57:18Right?
00:57:20So don't like, that doesn't mean anything.
00:57:23Also, you can always just say like, great.
00:57:25I mean, I won't even give you more.
00:57:26That's enough.
00:57:27You can just use that one.
00:57:29Okay.
00:57:30What do you think about buying versus starting a business via search, fund, or seller financing?
00:57:36I'm not against it.
00:57:38I would say make sure that whatever business you want to start, find one that has high revenue
00:57:44retention.
00:57:45That is my, if you've never owned a business, then you definitely don't want one that has
00:57:48a good marketer who runs it.
00:57:50You want somebody who knows nothing about marketing, who's only grown on word of mouth because the
00:57:54likelihood that you're buying, you actually are buying goodwill.
00:57:57Whereas if you're buying a marketer's business or somebody who's good at marketing, you have
00:58:00to figure out how to do marketing and selling and you don't know how to do it.
00:58:03You're in a bunch of hot water.
00:58:05So definitely find one like, you know, fire inspection, you know, those ones like those
00:58:11contracts last forever, you know, pool cleaning.
00:58:13Most people don't cancel that.
00:58:14Lawn care.
00:58:15People don't usually cancel that.
00:58:16Like there are businesses that do not have a lot of churn in them.
00:58:20You want to start there because if you take it over and everything goes to shit in six
00:58:22months, you're fucked.
00:58:24But those businesses tend to be very stable and so you want stable so you can like get
00:58:27your bearings and figure out what actually works.
00:58:30Okay.
00:58:32What do you advise to reach 100k from 10k?
00:58:37Ignore the fact that you have 10 grand because the only thing that you're going to use that
00:58:40for is to learn how to increase your active income.
00:58:42You're not going to use that 10 grand to turn it into anything.
00:58:45You're not the best day trader.
00:58:46You're not the best investor in the world.
00:58:48No one's getting a thousand percent return on their money.
00:58:51No one who's doing anything intelligent.
00:58:52All right.
00:58:53So the only thing that'll give you a thousand percent return on your money is taking $10,000
00:58:58using it to learn a skill that can make you $100,000 or $200,000.
00:59:02What apprenticeship would you recommend for somebody looking to gain entrepreneurial skills?
00:59:06Work at a small business or family-owned business.
00:59:11That's honestly probably one of the best ones you can do because it's small enough that you're
00:59:14going to be able to get a taste of everything.
00:59:17The only alternative I'd say is that if you work at a company that has a phenomenal training
00:59:21program for people who are new and coming in.
00:59:25So those are kind of my polar extremes of what I think is a good idea.
00:59:29Okay.
00:59:30Charlie.
00:59:31I speak to clients and they seem initially interested and then goes to me.
00:59:35What do I do to get them back on the hook?
00:59:37I think you just need to close, man.
00:59:40So what I mean is like I think you're getting on sales calls and trying to not close.
00:59:44I think you're trying to like book more calls, have more conversations.
00:59:48Usually it means that you're missing something prior to the sale because the sale begins at
00:59:50the moment of interest.
00:59:51All right.
00:59:52So they reach out to you.
00:59:53They respond.
00:59:54They do an email.
00:59:55They comment on a post.
00:59:56They do whatever.
00:59:58And before they get on the phone, you need to show them a video that frames you, frames
01:00:02the conversation.
01:00:03That's a VSL, Video Sales Letter.
01:00:05When that person watches that video and then they talk to you on that call and you should
01:00:09set the expectation on the VSL that they're going to make a purchasing decision on that
01:00:13call if it's a one call close.
01:00:14If it's a two call close, it's same concept.
01:00:17You just basically double the process.
01:00:18You go VSL call, VSL call, and then you close on the second.
01:00:22Now if you're like, wait, well, if I close on the second call, what do I then say?
01:00:26It's even cleaner.
01:00:27You say, hey, we're going to have two calls.
01:00:28The first call is to make sure it's a fit both ways.
01:00:30We're not going to do any transaction there, so you can leave your credit card at home.
01:00:32This is just to make sure it's a good fit.
01:00:34And from that whole perspective, you're interviewing them on why you should be or why they should
01:00:37be a customer of yours and why it's worth your time to take them on.
01:00:42Then you can say, okay, I think you'd be a good fit.
01:00:43Let's talk to you next time.
01:00:44And so then the second call, the video that goes in between is just tons and tons of proof
01:00:48and tons of credibility.
01:00:49And then you sell.
01:00:51Okay, how do I outbound without getting banned on social media platforms?
01:00:56There's just a lot of other ways to do outbound.
01:00:57You can cold call.
01:00:58You can cold email.
01:00:59Most people who do high volume outbound do email and call, just FYI.
01:01:05Is AI going to eat away at language course market?
01:01:12I'll say this differently.
01:01:15Why aren't you using AI in your language teaching thing?
01:01:24So like whatever you're afraid of that's going to beat you in your business, you have the
01:01:28absolute option of just making that your business and taking everyone else's lunch.
01:01:36So do that.
01:01:37By the way, anyone who repeats their question over and over again in the chat, I do not answer.
01:01:42Let's see.
01:01:43Who ordered a gym in 2026?
01:01:48Honestly not much has changed.
01:01:50I would probably run a small semi-private model.
01:01:55I think that model is the one that is the most profitable right now.
01:01:57You can look at Alloy, which is Rick Mayo's company.
01:02:00I think they have one of the best models in the space right now, which is small group semi-private,
01:02:06one on six.
01:02:07You have two trainers in the morning and afternoon, which is one manager and then two trainers.
01:02:12So manager trainer, manager trainer, the manager gets a profit share on the facility.
01:02:18All you got to do is get 100 people paying basically 400 bucks a month.
01:02:24So 100 bucks a week-ish to do three sessions a week semi-private.
01:02:31The target market is older people who are not trying to be fitness heroes but stay in shape
01:02:38and longevity because they got the dollars and $400 a month to the right market is irrelevant.
01:02:43I would probably run a three month grand opening, running a two week free trial into $100 a week
01:02:51for two weeks of personal training would be the offer and it would be grand opening special.
01:02:57I would pre-sell, call it 150 knowing I'm going to keep 100.
01:03:03I would assume you're going to close somewhere in the neighborhood if you're doing speed to
01:03:05lead and you're calling and closing a card over the phone, probably if you're doing a
01:03:09good job, 15, 20 percent lead quality is going down a minute, so probably 15-ish percent of
01:03:17the leads.
01:03:18Expect to pay 50 bucks a lead and then you reverse engineer the math and that's your grand
01:03:24opening so you can open full profitably with a three person staff.
01:03:30That's how I would open it.
01:03:33That's if I had capital.
01:03:35That's what I would do.
01:03:36If I didn't, I'd have to run a more aggressive campaign.
01:03:40Last 60 seconds, so who is my favorite visit at the gym?
01:03:44That was Coop.
01:03:45Coop garage gym reviews, shout out to Coop.
01:03:48He's a G. Tanny, am I happy with life?
01:03:50Couldn't be happier, man.
01:03:52Hope you guys have an amazing day.
01:03:55Peace and blessings be upon you.
01:03:56Rock and roll.
01:03:57Out!

Key Takeaway

Alex Hormozi provides live strategic consulting focused on leveraging urgency in marketing, optimizing tax through real estate, and scaling operations by fixing sales discovery and pricing psychology.

Highlights

Maximizing business liquidation value through 'Going Out of Business' sales and countdown urgency.

Utilizing Real Estate Professional Status (REPS) to offset active business income with depreciation.

Scaling B2B service agencies by significantly increasing affiliate commissions to match high Lifetime Value (LTV).

Improving sales conversion through structured 'Discovery' role-play focusing on pain points rather than features.

Adjusting pricing strategies to avoid the 'Point of Marginal Cheapness' where low prices erode brand credibility.

The importance of 'replicate before iterate' when competing against industry behemoths.

Prioritizing high-volume sales roles early in a career to maximize the frequency of feedback loops.

Timeline

Introduction and the Cannabis Seed Business Liquidation

Alex opens the session by addressing a business owner named Paul who generates $200,000 monthly selling cannabis seeds but faces a legal shutdown in eight months. Hormozi suggests a 'Going Out of Business' sale to liquidate two and a half million seeds by creating legitimate urgency and scarcity through countdown timers. He further advises Paul to legally marry his fiancee to utilize Real Estate Professional Status (REPS), allowing them to offset their high active income with real estate depreciation. This section emphasizes that a crisis is a marketer's best tool because it provides a 'reason why' for aggressive offers. The goal is to maximize the cash-out before the regulatory deadline hits.

Scaling an Accounting Agency via Affiliates and Ad Funnels

A business owner named Abeer seeks advice on scaling a $6 million CFO and accounting service for e-commerce brands. Alex identifies that Abeer is under-compensating his affiliates and suggests increasing commissions to $6,000 or $10,000 per deal to reflect the high Lifetime Value (LTV) of his clients. He recommends adding urgency to affiliate onboarding by offering higher lifetime percentages if they activate within the first 30 days. For advertising, Alex suggests a content-driven approach where tactical hooks and client success stories are turned into ads. This section highlights the 'Value Equation'—reducing risk, increasing speed, and ensuring ease for partners.

Fixing Sales Discovery and Pricing Psychology in B2B SaaS

Jake, who runs a marketing agency for B2B SaaS, struggles with a 0% closing rate from his new salesperson and low ascension rates. Hormozi pinpoints the failure at the 'Discovery' phase of the script, where the salesperson is accepting surface-level answers instead of digging for deep pain. He introduces a training rhythm of daily role-plays focused on specific sections like the 'Recap' and 'Pain Stack' to ensure the prospect agrees on the problems before a pitch. Furthermore, Alex argues that Jake's $13,000 offer is actually 'too cheap' for clients with a $30,000 ACV, causing a lack of belief in the service. He suggests raising the price to $15,000 per month to move past the 'Point of Marginal Cheapness'.

Replicating Behemoths in the Solar and Battery Industry

Alex consulting a namesake, Alex, who sells solar and battery systems and recently lost 90% of his lead flow when his lead providers went out of business. The advice centers on 'replicate before iterate,' suggesting the owner copy the offers of $39 million industry behemoths before trying to be unique. Hormozi encourages winning on speed of installation and personalized service, as a smaller founder can offer a 'cell phone' connection that large corporations cannot. He also suggests hiring the account managers from the defunct lead generation company to reclaim their successful lead-flow methods. The segment concludes with a strategy for gathering Google reviews by incentivizing the installation crews.

Entrepreneurial Strategy and Rapid Fire Q&A

In the final segment, Hormozi discusses the core of strategy as the 'curation and prioritization of opportunities.' He answers rapid-fire questions about career paths, recommending high-volume sales roles in fitness or call centers to build 'feedback loops.' He addresses business acquisition, advising beginners to buy stable companies with low churn and poor marketing rather than high-growth marketer-led businesses. For those starting from zero, he advocates for 'leading with free' to build a portfolio of proof and testimonials before charging high tickets. The video ends with a specific breakdown of a semi-private gym model that targets older, high-net-worth individuals for maximum profitability.

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