Alex Hormozi Answers Your Questions (Ask Me Anything)

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00:02:10We're live?
00:02:11All right, rock and roll, baby.
00:02:14Happy, shit, what day is it?
00:02:19>> Thursday.
00:02:20>> Happy Thursday.
00:02:21I honestly had no idea what day it was.
00:02:23Happy Thursday, everyone.
00:02:24I think they say Thursday is the day of Thanos,
00:02:29who attempted to cut the universe in half.
00:02:33Which, one of the things I love about Thanos is I love the heart behind
00:02:37his original goal, which is to save the universe.
00:02:39That was his misguided objective, and he thought that it was getting overpopulated.
00:02:43But I always criticize his strategy.
00:02:46It's like in one population cycle, it's like people would have more kids to
00:02:50overcompensate, and they'd be like, we'd be so back.
00:02:52So it was like a 20 year solution.
00:02:54I just like, I'm like, really?
00:02:55After like, amassing all the stones, that's what you thought?
00:02:58I don't know.
00:02:59I feel like he could have had a better plan.
00:03:00Anyways, just saying.
00:03:02And everybody, I love you all.
00:03:04Hope you guys are having an amazing start.
00:03:06So we're doing a little Hormozi hotline today.
00:03:09So I'm taking calls from Vantage, which is our community of million
00:03:15dollar plus business owners, where I answer questions.
00:03:19And so that's not the only thing we do, but I'm doing that now.
00:03:22So who we got first?
00:03:23>> All right.
00:03:26>> Drum roll, please.
00:03:27Mindy, I also see you in the chat.
00:03:28What's up?
00:03:29Ramos, I also see you.
00:03:30What's going on?
00:03:31>> Mark.
00:03:31>> Hello, I don't hear anything.
00:03:35In the meantime, I'll answer Clidge D.
00:03:43Why people don't do the stuff they said they should do.
00:03:46Because they have a reinforcing contingency that is short term,
00:03:50that is more reinforcing than doing the thing they think they should do.
00:03:55Long term, you solve that by taking actions.
00:03:59And then once you take those actions, creating a label for
00:04:02that pattern of behavior that you would then call an identity.
00:04:06So we basically create an identity that says, I am organized.
00:04:10And so you do some sort of organizational activity, and you say, I am organized.
00:04:14And as a result of being organized, I now behave in this way on a consistent basis.
00:04:18Because it is more reinforcing to be consistent with that identity,
00:04:22that label that I've given myself, which I've deemed as good.
00:04:24Than it is to not do it.
00:04:26And so then that is how those cycles or those patterns get created.
00:04:29And so almost all of these things always have to start with some sort of behavior.
00:04:32I would say that oftentimes when we're younger, we do something.
00:04:35Then someone says, you must be organized.
00:04:37We associate with something good.
00:04:38And then we repeat that behavior in the future.
00:04:40And so I think when we're adults, we basically have to do that for ourselves.
00:04:45Otherwise, we stay stuck in basically short term thinking and short term behaviors,
00:04:49which ultimately yield short term results, which is no bueno.
00:04:53Which is Spanish for not good.
00:04:56Mark, we on?
00:04:57I don't hear anything.
00:04:59In the meantime, if you guys are in the chat, drop perguntas.
00:05:05Let's do it while we wait for Mark.
00:05:06>> Hey, Alex.
00:05:11>> Hey, Mark, what's going on, dude?
00:05:13>> We did it.
00:05:14When my wife was in labor,
00:05:15I worked from the hospital room on my laptop during the hours she slept.
00:05:19I promised her for years that all of this would pay off.
00:05:22But right now we're crammed in a tiny house in LA with two kids under 18 months.
00:05:25And yes, the second one was not planned.
00:05:28I run a poker coaching business, and I was at your workshop nine months ago.
00:05:30We were at 2 million a year then, and
00:05:32we've doubled to about a 4 million a year pace this year.
00:05:34But my goal is a million a month.
00:05:37What's stopping me is I can't figure out how to scale demand past what our warm
00:05:40audience generates.
00:05:42We've got nearly 200k YouTube subscribers, and
00:05:44we close over 40% of the people we pitch into our five day 5k program.
00:05:47But we only sell 30 something seats a month, and we have capacity for triple that.
00:05:52And every cold audience funnel I've tried has come back break even or worse.
00:05:55I was hoping you could tell me exactly where I'm fucking up so
00:05:57I can buy my family the house they deserve.
00:05:59>> Well, first off, thank you for that context.
00:06:03It sounds like you have a crazy story right now.
00:06:06Right now, cold traffic is the natural funnel that should be added on to what
00:06:12your existing, basically, warm is only gonna get you whatever warm's gonna get you.
00:06:15And you probably have a warm sales motion rather than a cold sales motion.
00:06:22And so when cold traffic's going through a warm motion, it's not converting.
00:06:25And so we basically need to change your sales motion from a warm motion to
00:06:28a cold motion.
00:06:29And so there's two downstream benefits of that.
00:06:31When warm traffic goes through a cold motion, they will be more sold and
00:06:35more likely to take a higher priced offer.
00:06:37And when cold traffic goes through a cold motion,
00:06:40they'll just be more likely to buy.
00:06:41And so basically, we need to microwave your cold traffic to make it warm.
00:06:46And so that's basically the step in the process that's probably missing.
00:06:51So walk me through the cold traffic funnels that you had leading up to this.
00:06:55And what is the, actually, let's start with the warm and then we'll do the cold.
00:06:58So what's the warm traffic funnel right now?
00:06:59>> Warm traffic funnel is just VSL into book a call.
00:07:04>> Okay, yeah, so just a basic call funnel on warm traffic.
00:07:07>> And we also have a warm direct response that is printing as well.
00:07:12That one fatigues really quickly, so we have to keep spend down.
00:07:15>> So it's just bottom of funnel, that's the issue.
00:07:17So basically, it's functionally like that direct response kinda like, hey,
00:07:20come to the thing is taking the bottom slice of the pyramid,
00:07:25the people who are like six inch pots, and they're just putting them in.
00:07:28So in a lot of ways, they're just retargeting.
00:07:29But you're looking at like,
00:07:30how do I get more people on top of funnel into my world, correct?
00:07:34>> Correct, yes.
00:07:35>> So there's a couple ways to do this.
00:07:38I'll just call it the short term and long term way.
00:07:42And we could have a combination of both, which is probably what I recommend.
00:07:45So the call it the blended way is to run a paid workshop.
00:07:52So when I say paid workshop, I'm saying call it a 49 to $99 offer, probably 99.
00:07:58And have it be a legit workshop.
00:08:01And then that workshop will allow you to take,
00:08:03like it's much easier to get someone to buy a $99 thing than,
00:08:05how much is the poker coaching?
00:08:08>> 5k.
00:08:08>> Okay, yeah, so it's much easier to get those guys to spend 99 and
00:08:12deliver one thing that's super valuable.
00:08:16You prove the value, right?
00:08:17That way they don't have to guess is this guy good or not.
00:08:19You can take the time to tell them who you are and
00:08:21then the vast majority of it is going to be the value.
00:08:23And then you make them a nice irresistible offer of taking the next step.
00:08:26And so basically you book your calls from that live thing rather than from
00:08:30like a short VSL.
00:08:31>> Cool, we tried a cold webinar and it's flopped a couple of times.
00:08:35>> Yeah, I'm guessing, was it free?
00:08:38>> Yes.
00:08:38>> Yeah, so I would make it paid and just expect that you'll,
00:08:42like expect to lose money on the $99 purchases.
00:08:48But what will happen is I'm going to bet that the people who,
00:08:51did no one show up or were the people who showed up not qualified?
00:08:53>> We had about a 25% show rate.
00:08:56>> That's fine.
00:08:57For free, that's fine.
00:08:59>> Yeah, only 5% of those booked calls.
00:09:01The retention was incredible, but only 5% ended up booking calls.
00:09:04>> So what's likely is that the vast majority of people who showed up to
00:09:08the webinar were unqualified.
00:09:09Did you have any metrics on the customers from the opt-in of who was qualified for
00:09:14the thing?
00:09:15>> It seems like even the ones that booked calls,
00:09:18it's just most of them could not afford the thing.
00:09:20>> So that's where having that little bit of friction will typically take
00:09:24the unqualifieds from 90%, which is probably what it was,
00:09:29to closer to 40% on a paid workshop.
00:09:34And once someone makes a tiny purchasing decision,
00:09:36so likely they make the next purchasing decision significantly higher,
00:09:39like buyers buy more.
00:09:40Is that track?
00:09:45>> Yes.
00:09:45>> So basically just run this to a sales page,
00:09:47stack the living fuck out of the bonuses, so
00:09:50that it just be like the $99 should feel like absolutely absurd.
00:09:54And then make that call like a three hour workshop and then just sell at the end.
00:09:59>> Cool.
00:10:01Okay. >> Does that make sense?
00:10:02You just had to tweak it.
00:10:03That's all it was.
00:10:04Like free sometimes can be harder, and especially since you have an audience.
00:10:09It's like these people have some level of trust with you.
00:10:12And so it's like let's just get, let's deliver more value prior to the ask.
00:10:16>> 100%, that makes a ton of sense.
00:10:18>> And then qualify for that.
00:10:19Yeah, I would also on the opt-in form, are you getting qualification data?
00:10:24>> Right now we're only asking for name, email, number.
00:10:28What do you know, what behaviors or characteristics
00:10:34does someone have to have to be a good buyer for you?
00:10:37>> The average amount that they buy in for is our highest quality signal.
00:10:43>> Okay, cool, so then I would just add that as one of the fields.
00:10:49So you have name, phone number, email, average buy in for the games you play.
00:10:53>> Cool, and do we DQ people who don't?
00:10:58>> No, what it'll do is you're gonna get that data and you can get a little bit cute
00:11:03with Facebook and have different thank you pages for the people who buy and
00:11:07are qualified or don't buy and are not or buy and are not qualified.
00:11:10And then you can train the pixel data on the more qualified audience.
00:11:14>> Okay, cool.
00:11:16Yeah, we're doing that for our organic right now anyway.
00:11:19>> All right, cool, I'm just writing this down for myself.
00:11:22Okay, so number one, we switch from free webinar to paid webinar,
00:11:27which is not even a webinar, but we're gonna change to a workshop.
00:11:31And then number two, that maybe 90 minute thing that you were doing before,
00:11:35expand to three hours, deliver true value for 99 bucks.
00:11:39And then on the front end, we want to make sure that we add the highest signal,
00:11:44which is the buy in, to the intake so
00:11:46that we can start optimizing all of our ads around it.
00:11:48And you can quickly see what your true conversion percentage is.
00:11:53Because I actually care very little about the webinar conversion percentage.
00:11:56I care a lot more about what the qualified conversion percentage is.
00:12:00Because maybe you had 5% that closed last time, or whatever it was.
00:12:03No, you had 5% qualified, whatever it was.
00:12:04But if you closed 50% of the people who were qualified, it's a banger webinar.
00:12:09It's a traffic issue.
00:12:11And that will give you a much better read.
00:12:13Cuz if you're gonna do these week to week, which I'm sure you will,
00:12:16you will be way better at predicting what the revenue size of the workshop is going
00:12:20to be based on how many qualifies are there, not how many leads.
00:12:24>> Cool, okay.
00:12:26>> Rock and roll? >> Yeah, this tracks.
00:12:27Yeah, I appreciate this.
00:12:28>> Yeah, and juice the hell out of that $99 offer.
00:12:30That's the third thing.
00:12:32>> Just give away time.
00:12:33>> Yeah, make it absurd.
00:12:34There's no reason someone should not do it.
00:12:35>> Okay, great.
00:12:37Thanks Alex, I appreciate it once again.
00:12:39>> Congrats on getting from two to four million.
00:12:41>> Thank you. Next time we talk, hopefully it'll be over ten.
00:12:44>> Million a month, baby.
00:12:45All right, rock and roll, man.
00:12:46>> Thanks, Alex.
00:12:47>> Yeah.
00:12:47All right, was that interesting for everybody?
00:12:52Sometimes it's like six inch putts.
00:12:54It's super, super tight.
00:12:56>> Yo, what's going on, Alex?
00:13:00Good to see you again, Justin King here.
00:13:02>> What's up, stud?
00:13:03>> What's going on?
00:13:04Hey, your arms are looking a little bigger, by the way.
00:13:06>> Thanks, man.
00:13:06I'm actually dieting, guys.
00:13:08I was a little chunkier, and I just cut 200 grams a day out of my carbs,
00:13:11so I'm a little cranky.
00:13:13>> There you go.
00:13:13Well, best of luck on that.
00:13:15>> Thanks.
00:13:16>> So, okay, so my co-founder Chris Bumstead and I built Standard for
00:13:21Men to attack comfort and low standards head-on.
00:13:25Through our transformational online coaching, we allow men whose bottleneck to
00:13:28their success is their body the opportunity to earn self-mastery and
00:13:32transform their bodies within our four-step success-guaranteed system.
00:13:37We're at 150K MRR.
00:13:39We want to scale to 15 mil MRR in the next three years.
00:13:44We've produced thousands of transformations and
00:13:46worked with 100-plus pro athletes, but we are demand-constrained.
00:13:51>> You want to get to 15 million a month, is that what it was?
00:13:55>> Yep. >> Okay.
00:13:55>> Yep.
00:13:56>> So get to 15 million a month, all right.
00:13:58Okay, so what's that?
00:14:01So it's a 10x is 1.5, 100x is 15 million.
00:14:05Okay, so we need 100x.
00:14:06So how many sales per month is it right now?
00:14:09What's the price point?
00:14:10>> Yeah, so right now, main thing we push towards is a 15K PIF.
00:14:15>> Okay. >> All-inclusive telemed with one-on-one
00:14:19coaching to master the whole shebang.
00:14:22Obviously, we can scale the price, but this is just initially where we're at.
00:14:25>> Yeah, so you're selling 10 per month at that price, is that correct?
00:14:27>> Yeah, just about.
00:14:29>> Okay, 10 per month at 15.
00:14:31Okay, what's the funnel right now?
00:14:32>> Meta ad into VSL page with an application.
00:14:39Sales kick utilized to financially qualify.
00:14:43Setter doing manual touch points into a one sale close.
00:14:48>> So ads, VSL, application, qualify, SDR, so the touch point.
00:14:55Tell me about that.
00:14:56Is that a phone call or is that?
00:14:58>> So we actually, first off, shout out to your ACQ AI.
00:15:03That thing is disgusting.
00:15:04>> Thanks, man.
00:15:05>> So completely redid everything and will be implementing the whole double dial,
00:15:10the whole funnel system that you talk about in all the sales processes.
00:15:14So these metrics are off of what we used to do.
00:15:17>> Okay, that's fine.
00:15:18>> We will be implementing what you kind of consider best practice.
00:15:21>> Okay, so what were the metrics that, what was CAC before this?
00:15:25>> Yeah, so okay, so daily ad spend 1,300.
00:15:29We were a 3,500 CAC, AOV about 12K.
00:15:34Upfront cash collected ROAS 5.4 and rev ROAS 7.8 over the last quarter.
00:15:41But caveat, it was extremely inconsistent.
00:15:45Three weeks of just not there and then a single week of randomly hitting good.
00:15:50The last piece that I'll add is that was in utilizing payment processors such as WAP.
00:15:57To where they take, which I mean, it's nice for scaling.
00:15:59It's nice to get cash, but I don't know if it's a long term move.
00:16:02>> Mm-hm, well you mean you had a BNPL option, buy now, pay later type thing.
00:16:06>> Yep, yep. >> Financing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:08Okay, so a couple things.
00:16:10So the ads themselves, who are in the ads?
00:16:15Chris, predominantly from a cultural standpoint, and then myself,
00:16:18Mitchell Funnel is what we're going for.
00:16:19He is not gonna be the salesy person.
00:16:23Yeah, and then VSL is shared between the two of us to show the correlation and
00:16:27co-ownership.
00:16:29>> Got it, okay, so I'll say this.
00:16:31I think the spend might be too low,
00:16:34which is what basically insufficient volume feels like volatility.
00:16:38Because if you think about it, if you have $3,500 CAC and
00:16:42you're spending $1,300 a day, you're gonna get one sale every three days.
00:16:46It feels very lumpy.
00:16:47And if for some reason you don't have a sale every three days and
00:16:50it just means you have nothing for six and then you have two in a day, right?
00:16:53It's still the same percentage, but it feels like nothing's happening.
00:16:56And so when you have higher price point stuff and CAC is higher,
00:17:01you need daily spend to be significantly higher.
00:17:03Which is then gonna create the second problem,
00:17:04which is you're gonna not have enough creative to fill the funnel.
00:17:08Normally I would say we want more top of funnel stuff, but
00:17:10given the size of CBOM's audience and brand,
00:17:13I don't think he needs more recognition.
00:17:15>> No. >> But you will need more creative.
00:17:18So how many- >> Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
00:17:22>> How many pieces of creative are you basically making per day that
00:17:27you're launching?
00:17:28>> Last quarter, not as consistent as we'd like, running into five new creatives for
00:17:35myself and five new creatives for Chris.
00:17:38>> Per day?
00:17:39>> Per week.
00:17:40Yeah, so with your spend volume, I would like to see, I don't know.
00:17:46I mean, kind of like a lot, man.
00:17:52To put this in context- >> 100x, we're talking 100x.
00:17:54>> Yeah, it's a lot more.
00:17:56So put it in context, we put out 250 new ads per day.
00:18:05Now, our spend's higher, but if we're at even 100 times spend at 100,000 a day,
00:18:11we'd still have significant, you're putting out five per week.
00:18:14We're putting out 250 per day times seven.
00:18:17We're at 1,500 per week and you're at five.
00:18:22And so the volume difference is dramatic, right?
00:18:25And so I would say the first thing is, number one, ads have to go from five per
00:18:29week to probably closer to 100 as kind of a baseline in terms of volume, number one.
00:18:36Number two, I think we need to increase spend from,
00:18:42you're spending, was it 1,300 a day?
00:18:45>> Yep.
00:18:46>> I would like to spend 5,000 a day.
00:18:49No, you're at 150 a month.
00:18:50So I probably want to increase spend, I want to get to at least CAC, right?
00:18:56Just so you know what I'm thinking with this.
00:18:58It's like, can we spend 3,600 a day?
00:19:01Because at 3,600 a day, that means we can get one customer a day with our existing.
00:19:05Right?
00:19:05>> Yeah.
00:19:07>> That's just from a perspective change.
00:19:11Number three, what's the conversion on the funnel?
00:19:17So we've got- >> Yeah.
00:19:20>> Yeah, walk me through some of the stats here.
00:19:22Where's the big drop off?
00:19:23>> Yeah, so we're CTR 0.8%, 350 per qualified- >> CTR is 0.8?
00:19:31>> Mm-hm.
00:19:31>> That's low, especially with Chris' brand.
00:19:36>> Yeah.
00:19:36>> What's the offer?
00:19:39>> So that's, again, shout out to your AI.
00:19:42We have that solidified now.
00:19:43Prior did not have it solidified.
00:19:45>> Okay.
00:19:46>> But where we're at right now, it is a six.
00:19:50So basically, it's like get abs in a year and completely change life with our system.
00:19:55>> Okay. >> Otherwise, we'll coach you for
00:19:57an additional three months free.
00:19:58>> Okay.
00:19:59What's the new offer?
00:20:00>> That's the new.
00:20:01>> That's the new one.
00:20:02Okay, got it, okay.
00:20:03And the old offer was what?
00:20:05>> Come in and work with us.
00:20:06>> Okay, yeah, I was like six pack in a year is actually pretty believable.
00:20:10I actually really like that.
00:20:11>> Well, so our norm is two and a half percent every four weeks.
00:20:14So it's like someone could be 45% body fat and get down to ten in a year.
00:20:18And we have an incredible coaching system and
00:20:21an incredible accountability and tracking data system.
00:20:24So we can do a conditional guarantee very easily.
00:20:28>> Yeah, so- >> But yeah, that's the new system.
00:20:31>> Okay, and the 15Ks includes everything, all the telemed already built in?
00:20:36>> Correct. >> Okay, got it.
00:20:37So number one, go from five ads a week to 100 ads a week.
00:20:41And you can do a blend of statics and video there.
00:20:44And the way that I would get more video is, again, it's just you walk in with
00:20:48an iPhone, take the best winners, put it on a teleprompter app so
00:20:51you can just see all your hooks, and just walk and talk, right?
00:20:55Click, click, click, click, click, like in an hour you should be able to get 20, 30 ads.
00:20:59All right, if you and Sebum do this, it's like they're 60.
00:21:01And then you can take the best performing of those, put those as static words with
00:21:05images of Sebum, obviously, cuz that takes him no time.
00:21:08So that's how you can get to 100.
00:21:10And once you find winning hooks, you basically just keep reusing the hooks and
00:21:13just tweaking the meat a little bit and changing the background.
00:21:15That's one.
00:21:16Two, increase the spend ideally to CAC, which would be 3,600 or 3,500 right now,
00:21:21per day.
00:21:21I know that feels a little bit gutsy, but you already have a proven model.
00:21:24And that's with all the steps not optimized, right?
00:21:27We're gonna optimize the steps.
00:21:29The front end offer you're gonna change, I like the six pack in a year,
00:21:31especially with his brand, it feels very believable.
00:21:34And then on the, where are you optimizing the pixel from an advertising perspective?
00:21:39>> So other than the media buyers just looking at the outcome of did someone buy
00:21:45or not, they are feeding information back into it based on one closes,
00:21:50if that's what you're asking.
00:21:51>> So closes, because you're not gonna have enough volume.
00:21:54I mean, it's good to have it, but it's not gonna be enough of a signal to the pixel.
00:21:57Like, you want something that you can get like 1,000 on.
00:22:00And so I would look at probably the application step,
00:22:04would be the step that I would try and optimize around.
00:22:06And on the application, have a different thank you page for unqualified versus
00:22:09qualified, which would probably be a huge percentage of the traffic anyways.
00:22:12>> Yep.
00:22:13>> And then just make sure the pixel is on the qualified only thank you page.
00:22:16>> Yeah, okay.
00:22:17May I ask this last question?
00:22:20If you were to try to do this in half the time,
00:22:23what would be the single thing that you would focus on the most?
00:22:27>> It's gonna be volume and creative.
00:22:28I mean, volume and creative and spend are the two,
00:22:31basically that's what's gonna explode the front end.
00:22:34>> Yeah.
00:22:36>> Like you need to spend more to get more at bats.
00:22:39>> Sure.
00:22:39>> And to spend more efficiently, we need a better offer, a better creative, and
00:22:42that's what we just did.
00:22:44And then to make sure that we're actually getting served the right audience,
00:22:46the pixel on the correct qualified lead, thank you page.
00:22:51>> Yeah. >> The rest of it seems fine.
00:22:53But at least for what can you fix right now, do that first.
00:22:56>> Yeah, okay.
00:22:57Perfect. >> Rock and roll.
00:22:58>> Well, thank you, Alex, I appreciate you.
00:22:59>> You bet you, appreciate you, man.
00:23:00Congrats, I'm glad the AI served you well.
00:23:03>> Yes, sir, appreciate it.
00:23:04>> All right, talk soon, man.
00:23:05So that was Justin King from Standard.
00:23:10He's part of Vantage, which is community for a million dollar plus business owners.
00:23:14And so if you're like I see in the chat, how are these calls being sourced?
00:23:19I think they put a link in there.
00:23:20If you are interested, you can opt in.
00:23:25We priced it as cheap as that audience was willing to.
00:23:28I just said, how cheap could I make this where you'd still believe me?
00:23:31And they said $1,000 a month, and I was like, great.
00:23:33So, fun, fun step.
00:23:35You still have to verify your income, FYI, that's how we keep the quality high.
00:23:39All right, with that, let's slay the day, baby.
00:23:42>> Hey, Alex.
00:23:44>> Hello.
00:23:46>> Hello.
00:23:47So my name is Nadia.
00:23:49Just to give you some context, my fiance and I are planning a baby soon.
00:23:54And if I can't make my business work,
00:23:57now I definitely won't be able to with less time and less sleep.
00:24:01So for two years, I've basically worked 12 hour days doing everything myself,
00:24:07telling my family I'm building the future.
00:24:10But in truth, I've been pretty much stuck in place.
00:24:13So I run a marketing agency for realtors and
00:24:17home improvement companies in Slovenia.
00:24:21So Facebook ads, content, and appointment booking.
00:24:24I have four clients at total of 3K MRR.
00:24:28>> Okay.
00:24:28>> Last year, I made 30K.
00:24:30And my goal is, so in the last 12 months, I made 30K.
00:24:34And my goal is 30,000 net profit per month.
00:24:37>> Yeah.
00:24:37So let me ask you a couple questions here.
00:24:40>> Yeah.
00:24:41>> Can you do the exact same thing in the U.S. as you do in Slovenia?
00:24:46>> Yeah, I guess I could.
00:24:49But the market there is, at least for the realtors, is probably a bit different.
00:24:55At least as far as I know.
00:24:58So there would definitely be some changes I would have to make.
00:25:01Yeah, I currently make educational content for them,
00:25:07which is the only fixed revenue source I have, since they pay me a retainer on that.
00:25:13>> And so you have to make content.
00:25:14>> Yeah, I make them content, which performs really well.
00:25:19But then I also do lead gen for them.
00:25:21>> So you run ads?
00:25:22>> Yes, Facebook.
00:25:24>> And you charge 3K a month?
00:25:25>> No, 3K a month is like all together from all the client.
00:25:31So yeah, I'm making 15 to 25% on revenue share.
00:25:37And some on, yeah.
00:25:38>> So I want to give you the best piece of advice that I can give you.
00:25:44So right now, is all of your content in Slovenian right now?
00:25:48>> Yeah, so I actually, I don't make any content if that's what you mean.
00:25:54>> Okay, how do you attract customers right now?
00:25:57>> Code calling.
00:25:59I've basically had the same clients for the past like six months.
00:26:03Because like I mentally, I can't do anymore.
00:26:06>> Yeah, so there's a couple things right now.
00:26:10So number one, the customers, what you're charging versus what you're delivering is mismatched.
00:26:16You're not charging enough for the amount you're doing.
00:26:18That's thing one.
00:26:19Thing two is in order to get basically appropriately priced,
00:26:25you most likely want to go after a bigger market.
00:26:29Now normally, I don't say like switch markets and things like that.
00:26:31But you're at the very beginning.
00:26:33And so it's like what's 100x force multiplier on the skill set you have?
00:26:37You already speak English, right?
00:26:39So I'd rather you just like can we, can we, because like if you sell into the US market,
00:26:44like you can sell $1500, $3000 per client.
00:26:48It's just the dollar stronger and especially for what you're doing.
00:26:54You're doing content and ads, which is crazy.
00:26:56Most people literally only pick one or the other.
00:26:58You're doing both.
00:26:59>> Yeah, so you suggest like switch to the US.
00:27:05>> I think that's what we need to do long term.
00:27:08Short term, I'd like you to increase revenue.
00:27:10So how do we do that?
00:27:12So you're just doing cold calls.
00:27:14You're not making content for yourself, but you are making it for your customers, right?
00:27:18>> Yep.
00:27:19>> How much additional effort would it be for you?
00:27:21Like if you're making them content, how can you not make your own content?
00:27:24>> So that was actually one of my additional questions I wanted to ask if I should.
00:27:29>> 1000%, yes, not even a question.
00:27:32100% you should be doing that.
00:27:33So what I would do is do it in Slovenian and then have it translate
00:27:37and then put the captions in English.
00:27:38That way there's no accent.
00:27:41If that's where you're more comfortable.
00:27:42And I would make the content about you making their content.
00:27:46So basically, think of it like this.
00:27:48If you were to teach someone how to do everything that you do in your business
00:27:51without them paying you, what would you teach them?
00:27:53That's what you make your content about.
00:27:55>> Okay, make it in Slovenian and then just have captions in English.
00:28:01>> No, no, get AI voice translation for the content.
00:28:06Yeah, exactly.
00:28:06>> You think that would be an issue?
00:28:09>> Yeah, because I want it to be for now and later.
00:28:11So it might not even be, because it's, are you on Instagram?
00:28:14I'm guessing that's where you're making the content for them.
00:28:15>> Mostly Facebook.
00:28:17Instagram is not doing that well.
00:28:19>> Okay.
00:28:20So I mean, the thing is the additional effort to do on both platforms is almost nothing.
00:28:23You can probably charge them for that too as a side note.
00:28:25But for you, you can take the same thing.
00:28:28Go on TikTok, go on Facebook, go on Instagram, post it.
00:28:31Make sure that you have the translations in place.
00:28:33I would, if you wanted to be, because sometimes the algorithm would be weird.
00:28:37You can have a U.S. page and a Sylvanian page.
00:28:39Again, it's not a lot of additional extra work to just duplicate the effort.
00:28:42And so what this does is number one, this builds your content strategy while building theirs.
00:28:46So we can solve for both today in terms of lead gen.
00:28:49And then tomorrow in terms of the fact that you're going to have U.S. customers,
00:28:52which you can charge U.S. rates.
00:28:53And so I honestly just want you to take whatever you're charging and add a zero to it.
00:28:57And that's your U.S. price.
00:28:58>> Okay.
00:29:00>> Seriously.
00:29:01Now in terms of tactical, well, that was tactical.
00:29:04But the next piece that I want you to do is, are you familiar with ManyChat?
00:29:08Is that how you have them working leads or getting leads?
00:29:10>> No, I watched the educational content you put like two weeks ago.
00:29:17I watched that.
00:29:18So I actually, I'm just basically implementing it for the organic site.
00:29:22So that would be just additional sorts of leads besides the ads.
00:29:27So I'm in the process of implementing that, yeah.
00:29:31>> Okay, and okay.
00:29:37So number one, you make content about helping them make content.
00:29:43And so you try to replace yourself by teaching the public, the world,
00:29:48every single thing you do to build content.
00:29:51Hold nothing back.
00:29:52All right, I'm telling you.
00:29:53You want to hold nothing back?
00:29:53>> Be very specific just for these two niches, I guess.
00:29:57>> Yes.
00:29:58>> For real estate and home improvement.
00:29:59>> Yes.
00:30:00You want to show them everything.
00:30:01So the automations, the AI that use everything that you to run the business better,
00:30:05I want you to show all of it.
00:30:07Because when people see how much work you're doing, they're going to be like,
00:30:09this guy knows what he's doing, and I don't want to do that work.
00:30:12And then they inquire, all right?
00:30:14Thing one.
00:30:14Thing two, turn on the ManyChat automation so that when you are posting,
00:30:18put a CTA in the first line and the video.
00:30:21And then new followers automatically get a DM where you can sort them and say,
00:30:24hey, are you here for free stuff?
00:30:26Or do you like to grow your real estate, whatever?
00:30:30And then you can start working those DMs as leads.
00:30:33Number three is that from the leads that come in from that U.S. Instagram,
00:30:37change the prices to U.S. by adding a zero and offering the same thing.
00:30:42That's what I would do.
00:30:43>> Okay.
00:30:46>> And come up with a sexy lead magnet.
00:30:48Do you have a lead magnet?
00:30:49>> For myself?
00:30:51No.
00:30:51>> Well, yeah.
00:30:52Make one for yourself that's 100 days of content for real estate.
00:30:56100 days of content in 100 minutes.
00:30:58Ooh, ooh, that sounds great.
00:31:01I like that.
00:31:01100 days of content in 100 minutes.
00:31:03That's your CTA.
00:31:03>> Yeah, I basically have to completely rethink how to actually do content
00:31:09because it's probably very different from for the U.S. market at least.
00:31:12>> I actually don't think so.
00:31:14It's, they're solving the same issues.
00:31:17The algorithm is still humans.
00:31:20It's what humans find interesting.
00:31:21>> Okay.
00:31:22>> Because I'll tell you this, yeah, go ahead.
00:31:25>> Yeah, right now the best content that's working is actually about like taxes and like the laws.
00:31:32>> Yeah.
00:31:32>> So what's actually allowed and how to do some particular part of let's say selling a house.
00:31:37>> Yeah.
00:31:38>> So those things are different.
00:31:40>> Those will be different by country.
00:31:41I agree there.
00:31:42But it's not like it's not hard to find out.
00:31:44If you have a concept that works, just make the U.S. version of the concept.
00:31:48>> Okay.
00:31:49>> And yes, this is a major departure, but the benefit of what you're doing right now is that
00:31:54if you were super, super, super far along, it's much heavier to change.
00:31:58But since you're earlier on in the course,
00:32:00it might as well shoot for the moon and get it right the first time.
00:32:03>> Yeah.
00:32:04>> But this still allows you to build for today and tomorrow.
00:32:09You're still going to make your Slovenian content.
00:32:10We're going to duplicate it into the U.S.
00:32:12We're going to add the CTAs in terms of the 100 to 1, 100 content in 100 minutes,
00:32:16100 days of content in 100 minutes.
00:32:18We'll have our new followers that we get and the people who respond to the lead magnet.
00:32:21And when you get a U.S. person, add a zero.
00:32:25>> Okay.
00:32:25So with the current clients, I just keep them as cash flow?
00:32:30>> For now.
00:32:31Yeah, you got to pay bills and feed the fam.
00:32:34>> Okay.
00:32:35So there's -- okay.
00:32:37What about for -- so this is more just specific for realtors.
00:32:42What about home improvement?
00:32:44So there I've actually been struggling to do content for them.
00:32:47>> Well, they're two different avatars.
00:32:49Which one did you rather serve?
00:32:50>> Yeah.
00:32:52>> Well, I've been serving realtors more.
00:32:55>> Yeah.
00:32:56So then just focus on realtors.
00:32:57There's more than enough.
00:32:58You don't need two avatars.
00:33:01There's two different offerings, two different customers, two different businesses.
00:33:03>> And just go after the U.S. market.
00:33:06>> Yeah.
00:33:06>> Okay.
00:33:09>> So last point, focus on realtors.
00:33:12Just pick.
00:33:13>> Okay.
00:33:15>> Cool?
00:33:17>> Cool.
00:33:18>> Appreciate you.
00:33:18>> Thank you so much.
00:33:19>> No, you bet, man.
00:33:20I know it's going to be -- you're in a hard time, but that's a very clear plan.
00:33:23>> Okay, yeah.
00:33:25>> All right.
00:33:26>> Thank you so much.
00:33:27I've been watching you for a long time, so.
00:33:29>> I appreciate you, man.
00:33:30Rock and roll.
00:33:31And I'm excited to hear how things go in six months.
00:33:33All right?
00:33:33>> All right.
00:33:38Alex.
00:33:39>> Oh, hello.
00:33:40>> Hello, hello.
00:33:42My name is Yash, man.
00:33:43How you doing?
00:33:43>> Yash?
00:33:45With a Y?
00:33:45>> Yes.
00:33:46>> What's up, Yash?
00:33:46>> Yes.
00:33:47Not much, man.
00:33:49Love the hotline.
00:33:50Excited.
00:33:50So here, I'll give some context.
00:33:53I started my business around two years ago.
00:33:55I quit my job to go all in.
00:33:57And I even convinced my brother to quit his safe nine to five job and join me.
00:34:01Thing is now that he and his wife want to start a family.
00:34:05But since we're working all day on our own little business, our little baby,
00:34:08he just doesn't have enough time.
00:34:09So I feel kind of bad and kind of responsible for that.
00:34:12So I want to figure this out and grab this thing so you can do that.
00:34:16So I have an AI SaaS that helps real estate agents and photographers.
00:34:20We make 3.3 million a year.
00:34:24And we'd like to get to 10 million a year.
00:34:26But I think what's stopping me is my churn.
00:34:30Like every week, I get 150 subscribers.
00:34:32But I lose like 100 or so.
00:34:34So I think my business is going to stop growing and even decline in the off season.
00:34:39So that's what I'm going to care about.
00:34:40All right.
00:34:41So walk me through onboarding right now.
00:34:45Onboarding.
00:34:46Yeah.
00:34:46So the funnel right now is you can sign up with no credit card.
00:34:50Onboarding is we just implemented this last week.
00:34:53We have an onboarding checklist.
00:34:55Okay.
00:34:55So we have videos and steps on how to, you know, activate and stuff.
00:34:59And then we have product tours and stuff that lets you go through the platform,
00:35:04make your first video, edit some photos.
00:35:06Yeah.
00:35:06And get back to you as soon as possible.
00:35:08Okay.
00:35:09And so you're getting 150 a week.
00:35:12So that's 20-ish a day, right?
00:35:13Roughly, yeah.
00:35:16And do you have any human that is involved in the onboarding?
00:35:18Right now, no.
00:35:21What's the price point?
00:35:22We sell, our most basic package is 60 bucks a month.
00:35:27And we also sell it for like 360 for the year.
00:35:30So we try to do annuals as much as possible to reduce term.
00:35:33Got it.
00:35:33So what are the activation signals that you have determined so far?
00:35:38Right now, the main product is photo to video.
00:35:41So the main thing is going to be creating your first video within your first seven days.
00:35:45And then another one is editing photos, like AI virtual staging and stuff like that.
00:35:50We just pulled the data around 50% make their first video in the first week,
00:35:55but only 10% edit their first photo.
00:35:57Okay.
00:35:58So we're trying to increase those activation rates.
00:36:00Okay.
00:36:01But does making your first video correlate to them sticking?
00:36:04I believe so.
00:36:07Yeah.
00:36:07Well, I would double check, but make sure you know that, right?
00:36:11And do you have the metrics on people who edit as 10%?
00:36:15That's a separate action.
00:36:18And so we might discover, I'm going to bet there's three things here.
00:36:21Number one is who is the actual customer.
00:36:24So like of the people who are signing up for this, number one is who is buying.
00:36:30Number two is what are they doing?
00:36:32So we have make your first video, use the editing and what source are they coming from?
00:36:38Who are they?
00:36:39Okay, so that's kind of four different variables that are going to affect
00:36:42which one has the highest conversion rate in LTV.
00:36:45And so I think the vast majority of what is missing right now is
00:36:48I think you should be doing more hands-on onboarding.
00:36:51Because the onboarding checklist right now is at all automated.
00:36:54Like it's like a workflow.
00:36:55Yeah.
00:36:57Yeah.
00:36:57I mean, it's just a UI dashboard thing.
00:36:59Okay.
00:36:59We have, we're trying to do maybe some weekly trainings or something like that to help with
00:37:03onboarding, but let me, let me try and like, we need to, we need to atomic bomb this and
00:37:08get out of the, like, this isn't scalable mindset for the short term and then we'll
00:37:12make it scalable long-term.
00:37:13So I would like you to do, I mean, real world, like to start two onboardings a day,
00:37:20one in the morning, one at night.
00:37:21And when they sign up, you book them for the onboarding automatically so that you can talk
00:37:26to these customers and then manually walk them through.
00:37:28I guarantee your onboarding checklist is going to change as soon as you actually go over
00:37:31their shoulder and watch them do it.
00:37:33Because you'll also see the friction in your process, right?
00:37:37But you'll also have such, you'll have way more buy-in and you can usually handle the
00:37:40entire onboarding in 20 minutes.
00:37:42Whereas they're trying to like, you know, suffer their way through it.
00:37:45Does that make sense?
00:37:45Yeah.
00:37:47Yeah.
00:37:47So just to clarify, would this be like a group onboarding every day, like twice a day or like,
00:37:53yeah.
00:37:53Well, okay.
00:37:54So group, yeah.
00:37:56A group's onboarding.
00:37:57Your brother can do one, you can do the other, whatever.
00:37:59That's number one.
00:38:01Number two is you need to segment the data by channel.
00:38:05Number one, number two, by avatar, which I'm going to guess there's some discriminating
00:38:10criteria that you can figure out, which is probably like how many houses do you sell last
00:38:13year or how many houses did you sell this year?
00:38:16That's going to be, that'd probably be my biggest signal guess.
00:38:18And then we have, what are the, from an action perspective, which is we have those two actions
00:38:23that we know so far, which is video and editing.
00:38:25And so our, what we're going to try and find, because we might find out that people from
00:38:31a specific channel suck and we might find out that one specific avatar is the only avatar
00:38:36and they stay and the LTV of that customer might be a thousand.
00:38:38Right.
00:38:39And so then what we'll do, because we just need this data to basically, there's only two
00:38:45things that we can do right now.
00:38:46And then as soon as we have that data, there's a hundred other things we can do.
00:38:49But this is like the constraint right now.
00:38:51So we're doing the Zoom onboarding so that you can short-term get more data and probably
00:38:56decrease churn just because of in-person onboarding is going to do better.
00:38:59Number two, when you're doing those in-person onboarding, you can be able to witness the
00:39:03process flows.
00:39:03And I guarantee you'll be able to remove friction from that process to get it to happen faster
00:39:07and make sure they're doing both those steps.
00:39:09Number three is that once we have the inbound data, you'll be able to see which avatars are
00:39:15the highest converting and the channels.
00:39:17And then all of that data then routes back into the front end, which is our messaging
00:39:21is to target this specific avatar on this specific channel.
00:39:25And then when they come in, we do the Zoom onboarding and make sure that every single
00:39:29person passes go and checks the boxes.
00:39:30Okay.
00:39:32Okay.
00:39:33That makes sense.
00:39:34Yes.
00:39:34One thing that I'm thinking about right now is the main reason a lot of people churn is
00:39:38because they only have like four houses a year, right?
00:39:41So they just don't need this every month.
00:39:42So I guess you're saying like the ads wouldn't map exactly.
00:39:45It was like, hey, not screw those guys, but let's go for like the teams or 200 houses
00:39:50a year or photographers.
00:39:51I mean, teams is a great idea.
00:39:53Also, if you know that, let's say it's four houses a year minimum, let's say that's the
00:39:57number, two options for you.
00:40:00Option one is you can just make everyone do annual.
00:40:02And I would say, here's why.
00:40:03Or if you know, if let's say four houses a year is the minimum, which is one house a
00:40:07quarter, then you can just build quarterly.
00:40:08So I would say like your quarterly billing and you have annual billing.
00:40:11Does that make sense?
00:40:13Sure.
00:40:14Because we want the value cycle to be aligned with the billing cycle.
00:40:18Yeah.
00:40:20I think after we added the annual option around 40 to 50% of people take that now, which is
00:40:25a bump.
00:40:26But yeah, I mean, it's buy six, get six, right?
00:40:29Yeah, roughly.
00:40:30Yeah.
00:40:31I'd be curious to see what happens if you remove the monthly and only have annual.
00:40:35Me too.
00:40:37Me too.
00:40:38It's scary.
00:40:38I mean, it's an easy task, man.
00:40:39You can run in a week and find out.
00:40:42It's not like you're, I mean, that's actually the easiest test in the world because it's
00:40:45not like you're even changing your price.
00:40:46You're just removing an option.
00:40:47True.
00:40:49Okay.
00:40:49So let me recap this.
00:40:54Number one, zoom group onboarding.
00:40:56Number two, activation points on that onboarding, which is going to be video and editing.
00:41:03Get that done in 20 minutes and remove friction from the process.
00:41:06Three, get the data of channel and avatar to see which ones of these have the highest conversion.
00:41:11And since you won't be able to wait to see churn because so many people are going to be
00:41:14annual, you have to just check, are they checking both these boxes?
00:41:18And then number four, I would test the annual only.
00:41:22But once you see it, even if annual only is the winner, I like keeping monthly there because
00:41:27it keeps you honest.
00:41:29And then basically once you truly solve churn on monthly, because it gives you a much faster
00:41:33feedback loop, then you basically can push everyone to annual because then the economics
00:41:38are better.
00:41:38Does that make sense?
00:41:39Right.
00:41:40Right.
00:41:41So we keep them monthly because we need the signal.
00:41:43Yeah.
00:41:45For short term and then long term.
00:41:46To fix the product.
00:41:48Yeah.
00:41:48And I wouldn't even try to like, I wouldn't try and scale past where you're at right now
00:41:52until you fix this.
00:41:53And then scaling will simply occur.
00:41:55Because even if you don't change your front end, if you cut your turn by two thirds, the
00:41:58business will triple.
00:41:59That gets you to ten.
00:42:00Sure.
00:42:01Yeah.
00:42:02Definitely.
00:42:03Rock and roll?
00:42:04Rock and roll, man.
00:42:06I'll try that out.
00:42:07And then just one more thing on booking the onboarding call.
00:42:09Like, what does that flow actually look like?
00:42:11Is it like a button in the UI?
00:42:13Is it like an email that says book your onboarding?
00:42:15Oh, dude, it's an atomic bomb.
00:42:17I mean, we're going to text, we're going to call, we're going to email in the actual flow
00:42:22itself as your next step is book your onboarding call.
00:42:24We've got two a day.
00:42:25They're with a real person.
00:42:26So we actually get you the most out of this thing.
00:42:29Okay.
00:42:31100%.
00:42:31I'm going to try that out.
00:42:32Appreciate you.
00:42:34And good luck to your brother.
00:42:35Thanks so much, man.
00:42:37Have a good one.
00:42:38You bet.
00:42:38Bye.
00:42:38Bye.
00:42:39So for those of you who are just joining us, this is for MOSI Hotline, where I'm taking
00:42:45calls from Vantage, which is our million dollar plus business owner community.
00:42:48It's a thousand bucks a month.
00:42:51I don't like hiding that.
00:42:52The reason for that is because when I surveyed the group of million dollar plus business owners,
00:42:56I said, what is the absolute cheapest price that I can price this at where you think you'd
00:43:00still think that it could actually deliver.
00:43:02By the way, if you're curious, the price point that was maximum revenue when I did the survey
00:43:06was 5,000 a month, which I very strongly looked at because who doesn't want a revenue max?
00:43:12But the goal is to build the largest and best community of million dollar plus business owners.
00:43:15And so ACQ AI, which Justin before this was talking about is one of the biggest things
00:43:22that we include.
00:43:23And if you don't know what ACQ AI is, I have spent two and a half years doing consults every
00:43:29single week with business owners, deep dives into businesses.
00:43:34So like 20 page packets on the businesses to figure out exactly what they need to do.
00:43:37These are for bigger businesses.
00:43:38And we've trained the AI on every single one of my private consultations, which is now like
00:43:45500 plus the three or 4,000 that my whole team has done as well.
00:43:49And we're trying to build the most advanced small business AI out there with the stuff
00:43:56that's working today across industries.
00:43:57And that's why we have this whole advisory practice because that's my long-term play.
00:44:00And so more amazing businesses coming in is the how the flywheel spins.
00:44:05So you're a million dollar business owner.
00:44:06That's what it is.
00:44:06And that's what these calls are.
00:44:07All right, let's do it.
00:44:09Next one.
00:44:09The link's somewhere.
00:44:11You can probably find it.
00:44:11All right, Alex, good to be talking with you.
00:44:13What's up?
00:44:14Hey, my name's Alex.
00:44:15I'm out of Greenville, South Carolina.
00:44:18I founded a turnkey construction safety company.
00:44:21And so right now what I'm looking at is I'm working 60, 70 hour weeks.
00:44:28The phone's nonstop.
00:44:30And when I'm at the house, my mind's still trying to figure out work problems.
00:44:34So I'm not always present with the people that I care about.
00:44:36And I've got a third baby on the way.
00:44:38And I'm missing some of those moments that you don't get back, right?
00:44:41So business-wise, we're making about $2.1 million.
00:44:45I've got a goal of getting to $5 million by the end of this year.
00:44:49And we've experienced some rapid growth.
00:44:51So I'm starting to get-- I'm not starting to.
00:44:53I've been getting pulled back into the type of tasks where I feel really competent.
00:44:57And I was really good at as a safety guy instead of hiring the people that are better than me.
00:45:02And building those systems that really the business needs to scale.
00:45:06So I guess my question is how would you attack that problem if you were in my shoes?
00:45:10What's profit?
00:45:12Profit, we're at about 22% right now.
00:45:16OK.
00:45:16So $400 a year-ish on net.
00:45:20But you're growing right now, correct?
00:45:22Correct.
00:45:25OK.
00:45:25So call it pacing $600, something like that.
00:45:28Does that sound about right?
00:45:29That's correct.
00:45:30All right.
00:45:30Sounds right.
00:45:31So I'm just trying to see what we got to work with.
00:45:32OK.
00:45:32How much does it cost to get the person that you need?
00:45:35So I'm thinking we've-- I just hired a director of operations.
00:45:40And he's in his second month.
00:45:43So he's still learning our systems and our culture and all of that.
00:45:46And then I'm looking at bringing in a person underneath him to start helping-- we field
00:45:55safety professionals.
00:45:56So we've got about 13 people across four states.
00:45:59And so really, that secondary person is going to handle managing that talent and that workforce.
00:46:05Because that's where a lot of the phone calls and the text messages and the emails come from.
00:46:09So I think, really, for another person that we need, they'd probably be, I'd say, about
00:46:13a $150,000 guy or gal.
00:46:15OK.
00:46:16Is your director going to watch this?
00:46:20Because I can-- I'll remove your name, too, if that helps.
00:46:24He will not watch this.
00:46:27OK.
00:46:27So I'll tell you-- let me ask one question before I say what I'm going to say.
00:46:30Did you feel relief from that director coming in?
00:46:34Huge relief.
00:46:37OK.
00:46:37OK.
00:46:37Fine.
00:46:38Then he can live to fight another day.
00:46:39OK.
00:46:43So the director came in.
00:46:44You're going to hire some guy underneath him that's $150,000.
00:46:46So what's stopping you from doing that right now?
00:46:47So I think what I'm running into is, as we grow and the demand continues to increase,
00:46:57I'm also trying to acquire the talent and get the talent in while executing all the tasks.
00:47:02So I think that's where I'm stuck.
00:47:05Got it.
00:47:05What's your hiring funnel right now?
00:47:08It's been referral.
00:47:11Just proximity people that we see on job sites and we've worked with.
00:47:14And now we're starting to get on the LinkedIns and the Indeeds and things like that.
00:47:19Yeah.
00:47:19So I mean, referral is obviously always the best way to grow.
00:47:22Do you have 13 guys in the field?
00:47:25Do they know people?
00:47:26They do.
00:47:28OK.
00:47:29What incentive do you have for your referrals right now?
00:47:31So currently, our referral program is all based around finding other safety professionals that
00:47:37we can ship out through job sites.
00:47:39So we pay a bonus program of essentially locating the guy.
00:47:43And if we hire him, we'll pay $500.
00:47:45If they stay for 90 days, then we'll pay them an extra $1,000.
00:47:49And that was built in your courtroom about two weeks ago.
00:47:53So that's currently being issued.
00:47:57I love the spirit.
00:47:58We need to tweak one important thing.
00:48:00How much do you make per $150,000 per year, guy?
00:48:06That per-- our average person right now is about $70,000.
00:48:11And we make probably about $200,000 off of them.
00:48:15So I'm not sure with this guy.
00:48:17I don't have that number.
00:48:17So let's just use those numbers, right?
00:48:19$70,000, right?
00:48:21And well, how much do you think this guy will make you?
00:48:25It's more than that, correct?
00:48:28So yeah, it's-- yes, yes.
00:48:31OK.
00:48:31He'll make more than that.
00:48:32But I think he's going to take me out of-- we have one funnel
00:48:36for staffing, which is what I've been talking about.
00:48:39We have other funnels, which is [INAUDIBLE]
00:48:40and things like that, that pulls me out from the job sites.
00:48:43And I think that person will probably revenue--
00:48:46I'd say at least a quarter mil from this guy.
00:48:49And this guy's $150,000?
00:48:54Yes.
00:48:54Imagine.
00:48:55So that $250,000 is extra or in total on $150,000?
00:48:58I think it would be in total, where we stand right now.
00:49:05Yeah, I don't love that.
00:49:07I like the $70,000 to $200,000 better.
00:49:08I like those a lot.
00:49:12Yeah.
00:49:13So let me-- I'm going to do a couple of things.
00:49:16So number one is on the new referral program
00:49:20that you're about to roll out or just rolled out,
00:49:22I just think the economics need to be changed.
00:49:24So you have your $500,000 and then $1,000, so that's $1,500 total.
00:49:27For me, if I know that somebody can make me $130,000 in gross profit,
00:49:32I'm willing to pay 10%, 20% of that, like no problem.
00:49:37And so I think that if you made this thing like $10,000 or $15,000,
00:49:40I'll bet you guys would be significantly more responsive at working their networks.
00:49:44Do you agree?
00:49:45100%.
00:49:46So I think number one-- because if you're going to pay a recruiting firm that much,
00:49:50which you would easily pay 10% or 20% for a kind of repeatable role like this,
00:49:55you'd pay $10,000 for that role.
00:49:56So I'd rather pay my guys that than pay an outside firm.
00:50:02Yep, and we've been doing that.
00:50:03So that's a really good point.
00:50:04OK.
00:50:04So I think we go from $500,000 to $10,000 at least to start on the referral bonus.
00:50:09And it's fine because you're going to ROI it and you can still put $1,000 up front,
00:50:14$9,000 on the 90-day success.
00:50:16And I think that'll solve number one.
00:50:19Now, this more specialized role, are there specialized recruiters
00:50:24who hire for this particular person?
00:50:29There are, but we haven't had success with them.
00:50:32OK.
00:50:32Are they contingency-based?
00:50:33Some of them.
00:50:37OK.
00:50:37So this is what I do.
00:50:39When I have a one-off role, I go recruiters.
00:50:42If I have a repeatable role, I build a whole system around it
00:50:44because it's like the core of the business.
00:50:45So the guys on site, that is repeatable role.
00:50:48If you have 13, you're going to need 30 when we 3 or 4x, right?
00:50:53So that's where it's like we need to have dollars and dollars out.
00:50:55The referral program's a great start.
00:50:57We need to ultimately get into the, we run this many ads.
00:51:00Our cost of acquiring talent, just like you have CAC,
00:51:03we need CAT, C-A-T. And just like we have LTV,
00:51:06we have lifetime growth profit per employee,
00:51:07which is what revenue, gross profit we make per head.
00:51:10And then that becomes the kind of supply-side economics of that funnel.
00:51:14So that has to get made.
00:51:17And the same exact sales methods apply.
00:51:20So it's like you'll run an ad, you'll have an opt-in page,
00:51:22you'll have a VSL, right, that'll sell them
00:51:24when the company's awesome, and then you'll push them ideally to a group call
00:51:28because it takes a lot of time to take those initials.
00:51:30And then you can select the people from that group call who you think are legit.
00:51:33So that'll take some of your...
00:51:36That makes a lot of sense.
00:51:37Right, it'll remove some of that time constraint
00:51:39that you're dealing with having all these interviews, right?
00:51:40Yep, that makes a lot of sense.
00:51:44That's the repeated role funnel.
00:51:46The recruiting funnel, I would like you to spin up like at a zero.
00:51:50So at like 10 recruiters, all contingency based, and then let them work.
00:51:56Got it, okay.
00:52:01Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, so do more.
00:52:03Do more is what you're saying.
00:52:05And it's just sometimes it's a belief issue on that.
00:52:07You know what I mean?
00:52:07Like when we scaled a sales team for one of our companies from zero to 80 in 90 days,
00:52:13we had to hire 80 salespeople, right?
00:52:15And so it's like we gassed all the ads we had, we gassed all the funnels,
00:52:19and we spun up 15 sales recruiters.
00:52:21And we paid five bucks ahead, which we negotiated because we were doing volume.
00:52:24So they had a standard fee of 10.
00:52:26We said, well, I mean, we're going to get 80.
00:52:28So do it for five and we'll take as many as we can.
00:52:31And they were like, let's go.
00:52:32And so we got 15.
00:52:34And so we got 80 guys hired and then kept 50.
00:52:37And then within 90 days, we're doing 5 million a month in extra sales from that company.
00:52:41And so I think it's just a violence thing of like one or two didn't work.
00:52:44Of course not.
00:52:45It's like I worked one or two leads and I didn't find a customer.
00:52:48It's like, I mean, it's just it's a much bigger numbers game.
00:52:50Yeah, reframing my mind around treating it like a lead and trying to hunt new business, right?
00:52:58It's just hunting down that new talent.
00:52:59So that's a good reframe.
00:53:01It's a bow tie.
00:53:02So you have demand gen funnels and supply gen funnels.
00:53:05It's the same thing, but you need both in order to scale up your service business.
00:53:08Everyone misses the backside.
00:53:10Makes a lot of sense.
00:53:14I really appreciate you, brother.
00:53:15Thank you.
00:53:15Appreciate you.
00:53:16Congratulations on the business.
00:53:18Thank you.
00:53:19All right.
00:53:20Congrats again.
00:53:20And can't have a bad day with a name like that.
00:53:23Alex the great.
00:53:25All right.
00:53:29This is fun, right?
00:53:30This is cool.
00:53:31I'm liking this.
00:53:31This is great.
00:53:32Good questions.
00:53:34Meaty, beefy.
00:53:36All right.
00:53:37Hopefully for those at home, you got some got some stuff out of that 19 year old.
00:53:42How are you?
00:53:43Hello, sir.
00:53:43So my name is Jonathan.
00:53:46Huge fan.
00:53:46So a little bit about the situation.
00:53:48I have a 10 month old new baby.
00:53:50We just got a house.
00:53:52I have a mortgage.
00:53:53I can't quit my job as a nine to five emergency room nurse because my business doesn't get
00:53:58enough leads.
00:53:59So get this answer solved or being put in the right direction.
00:54:02We literally turn around the fate of my family right now.
00:54:04So we're going to have to pay for daycare soon.
00:54:061500 a month.
00:54:07Babies are really cheap when they're born, but you know, scales up.
00:54:10It's like ads.
00:54:11And then my mortgage is equivalent to my salary every month, which is six grand.
00:54:16So that's why I can't really leave there.
00:54:17So we run a mobile Ivy Drips company.
00:54:20We make $360k per year.
00:54:21We'd like to be a million a year, but what's stopping is that we don't have enough leads.
00:54:25We can figure out our Google ads and how to target our best customers.
00:54:29And CAC for Google ads is 278 right now.
00:54:32And what's the, what's customer value?
00:54:34Average LTV right now is 454.
00:54:37Blended CAC is 83.
00:54:41Okay.
00:54:41We'll just work them out.
00:54:43SEO, but to get more scale, we want it to get ads.
00:54:49And then I want it to try meta ads.
00:54:51We got a few leads from there, but I took your advice on hammering one channel first up to
00:54:55like a hundred K in spend and then.
00:54:56Okay.
00:54:59I don't think you have a CAC issue.
00:55:01I mean, it could be like realistically, you could probably at a local level, get it down
00:55:07to maybe 150, but like, I don't think that's where the, I don't think that's where the unlock
00:55:11is. I think you have an LTV problem.
00:55:13So what's the offer?
00:55:16What's the offer?
00:55:17So that's my thing.
00:55:19I read the author's book front and back.
00:55:21I can't decommoditize myself from everyone else.
00:55:25We have a $50 off.
00:55:26Everyone is $50 off.
00:55:28The risk is these, if we're not within an hour or within an hour and a half, they're going
00:55:32to go to the next person anyway.
00:55:33You can really have like, we're there right as fast as we can be.
00:55:37Sometimes it's within an hour, but if we can't, it's someone else.
00:55:40We can't really, like, I can't think of a way to risk speeds this offer against my competition.
00:55:45I'm actually thinking less about the front end thing and more about the back end thing.
00:55:49So like, yeah, go ahead.
00:55:51We do have a package that we upsell, right?
00:55:53So let's say you come in from some type of drip.
00:55:56We're able to sell either three drip or six drip package, right?
00:55:59And then that's either 1000 or 1500 or up to 2000.
00:56:03That I would be fine with a 278 CAC if we're able to target an avatar because some avatars
00:56:09would like that.
00:56:09They're fine with that.
00:56:10If I was able to target the right avatars, I could sell them on a six drip package, get
00:56:16pulled cash up front, spend more on ads, get more people.
00:56:19But not everyone is able to package.
00:56:22What percentage of people are taking the upsell today?
00:56:2710% maybe.
00:56:30Yeah.
00:56:31What's the offer when you're actually talking to them?
00:56:33Have you ever considered instead of rescue, right?
00:56:37Instead of getting a drip when you're hungover or sick, how about we get you a drip, a six
00:56:41drip package, then you can get it every time you need it.
00:56:43You prevent getting sick, get a six drip, you get a free ad on VIP, like priority booking,
00:56:49which everybody expects.
00:56:50And then you get, I think it's 20% off total price.
00:56:53Okay.
00:56:54So two things.
00:56:55Number one, the hook to get them to ask you more about the upsell is, so did you want to
00:57:02have today for free?
00:57:06And then they'll be like, wait, what do you mean?
00:57:09You're like, oh, I assume that's what you came in on.
00:57:11And then they'll be like, they'll look a little confused and you'll say, oh, what most people
00:57:16do is we have a, if you basically sign up for our recurring thing, we take today and we just
00:57:23credit it towards it.
00:57:24So it's effectively free.
00:57:26And so what most people find is obviously there's hangovers, but you might not know this, but
00:57:3190% of drip usage is more around feeling better rather than getting to feel normal again.
00:57:37And so you want to stay ahead of it, right?
00:57:40So just like you go to the chiropractor to get your back cracked once a week, or you go
00:57:44to the whatever, you go to the gym, there's your internal gym is how I think about it.
00:57:49And this is basically kind of at the microbiome level of fighting, you know, working out all
00:57:54the little cells.
00:57:55And that's what you need to do.
00:57:58Right.
00:57:59And so if you feel, imagine like you felt shitty and now you feel good.
00:58:02When you do these, when you feel good, you'll feel amazing.
00:58:04Like I've got people who stopped drinking caffeine because they're on these things.
00:58:07I say that.
00:58:08Yeah, that's me.
00:58:09I stopped drinking caffeine.
00:58:10Right.
00:58:10There you go.
00:58:11But the thing is, is that we have to get out of pathology because that's the emergency
00:58:15business and get it, you basically have to get out of the Thrive and into the Survive, sorry,
00:58:19get out of the Survive business and into the Thrive business.
00:58:21So the people who are calling you are calling you because they're an emergency and that's
00:58:27fine.
00:58:28We just need to flip emergency into ongoing.
00:58:30So I will say this about the one channel thing.
00:58:34SEO and PPC, not a lot of work once you kind of get them working, which you have right now.
00:58:40Like they're like, you just kind of just spend the AdSense, right?
00:58:43Like it is what it is.
00:58:43We need to work on the backend sales process, what I just went over.
00:58:49But I think that I would actually kind of quote break my rule and say, I think you need to
00:58:53run meta ads because you need to sell people who are in Thrive mode who want to feel better.
00:58:58Not who should feel shitty to feel normal.
00:59:00Because those are the people who are going to buy this for the long haul.
00:59:05So basically you have inbound high intent base, but their intent is for us an emergency solution.
00:59:12We need people who are interruption based who didn't wake up this morning thinking,
00:59:15oh, I'm going to go buy some IV drips.
00:59:19You need people who wake up and think, man, I feel like shit in general.
00:59:22And I need to do something.
00:59:24And then those are the people that get interrupted with an ad.
00:59:26And then those are the ones that you can sell.
00:59:28Is there any way for me to increase?
00:59:30Like I want to bang their offer.
00:59:32I'm just taking 30% off.
00:59:34It kind of reduces the margin a little bit on the, it pulls cash up front, but it does
00:59:37reduce the margin.
00:59:39You know, six drips, 30% off.
00:59:40Yeah.
00:59:41Well, what's the price of a drip?
00:59:42And also if you're selling, here's the other side of it.
00:59:45When you sell with inbound, like intent based, which is what we're talking about.
00:59:49You're getting price shopped.
00:59:50If you sell with interruption based, they didn't wake up looking at six different IV shops.
00:59:54Right.
00:59:56So you can easily have a 30% premium that you add, add one extra widget in there.
01:00:01And now you're good to go.
01:00:02So better offer for them.
01:00:06And then I can increase the price for meta ads.
01:00:07Just tweak the offer a little bit.
01:00:11Just add one little thing that's different.
01:00:12So you have, so ethically you can have two different prices.
01:00:15Right.
01:00:16And then, so I've noticed, like I've sold to some people pretty well, better than others.
01:00:21Some people would just go ahead and buy a six pack right away when I mentioned them.
01:00:24Rather than others.
01:00:25Is there any way?
01:00:26I don't even like selling the packs.
01:00:29I'd rather sell memberships.
01:00:30But the thing is member, like for me, like I know monthly recurring revenue is great,
01:00:36but for me, the cash upfront makes a difference.
01:00:38Cause I can go ahead and increase spends on my ads.
01:00:41No, I hear you.
01:00:42You can still sell a membership and then have them prepaid the membership.
01:00:45I get that.
01:00:47So instead of buying six packs, you're six months.
01:00:50Yeah.
01:00:50That makes sense.
01:00:52And then it goes month to month afterwards.
01:00:54Yeah.
01:00:55I like that.
01:00:57Is there any way you think for me to target my ideal customer with like fractal pricing?
01:01:01So to target one group instead of the other.
01:01:03Well, you're local, right?
01:01:04Yeah.
01:01:05So the way that you're going to target is with the messaging more than the targeting.
01:01:08So play around with the...
01:01:12So are you taking a testimonial video from every customer?
01:01:15We do UGC.
01:01:17When we, when we were running meta ads, we do UGC testimonial.
01:01:21Yeah.
01:01:21So every single customer makes an ad for you.
01:01:24Right.
01:01:24That's number one.
01:01:25Number two is the messaging itself in the ad needs to appeal to the thrive, not survive customer.
01:01:31Right.
01:01:32Number three is that the front end offer we need to make.
01:01:35Basically, they're going to come in for whatever, but the pitch to flip them into the membership
01:01:41is like, want to make today free.
01:01:42That's what most people do.
01:01:43Just like that.
01:01:44You want to have today free.
01:01:45That's what most people do.
01:01:46And they're like, how?
01:01:47And now they're leaning in.
01:01:48Right.
01:01:48And then number four, we're going to transition from packs to membership so that we can get
01:01:53the recurring revenue and we can still front load the cash by having them prepay for the
01:01:57first quarter.
01:01:58So start at six months.
01:02:00I mean, you can start at 12, step down to six, step down to three.
01:02:03Right.
01:02:05Downsell them.
01:02:05Downsell them.
01:02:06Downsell them.
01:02:07Good.
01:02:07But fundamentally, the only way to like, you're in a, you're an emergency business.
01:02:13Right.
01:02:14And so you have to make, it's an LTV problem.
01:02:19Like that's the issue here.
01:02:20It's an LTV issue.
01:02:21And so all of this stuff is more so one, get better customers on the front end.
01:02:24Two, have an offer that's paired with that customer on the backend.
01:02:27Now, once that starts happening, we may find they've got way more pricing power on the back.
01:02:32And all of a sudden it's not 2K.
01:02:33Maybe you can sell 6Ks.
01:02:35If we bundle it in a way that that makes it interesting.
01:02:38Like you, like maybe you put a float tank in your van and they like get the IVs while they're
01:02:41floating and you know, and then it's like, holy shit.
01:02:44Now this thing is like a double.
01:02:45Like no one else can compare against me because they want to feel better.
01:02:48So it's like, what other things do they need to feel better?
01:02:50And I can put that stuff in.
01:02:52Right.
01:02:52And then hopefully with socials we'll increase our brand and then increase pricing our way.
01:02:56But how does that sit?
01:02:58Amazing.
01:03:00I mean, I think that I was struggling with the offer everything for a while and leads.
01:03:04I think that changes how I look at it.
01:03:06Cause I was always trying to focus on one channel.
01:03:08It's opened my eyes.
01:03:09Yeah.
01:03:09Like SEO and PPC is a great, like PPC is where I start a lot of people.
01:03:13Cause it's the, it's the least work, right?
01:03:16Like you just keep messing with it until you get the sales motion right.
01:03:18And they're the hottest leads.
01:03:20So just be prepared that metal leads are going to be significant.
01:03:22I mean, if you did it before, like they're significantly colder than, than PPC leads are.
01:03:27So just as like a preparation.
01:03:29Okay.
01:03:31Do you think I should just increase?
01:03:35Cause I've been holding back on increasing Google's spend just because my cost per acquisition is so high.
01:03:42Do you think I should just increase spend then to get more compliments?
01:03:45I'm fine with the increasing spend.
01:03:46We just cause like, don't think about the business as a business today.
01:03:50The business as it currently exists is an experiment until you get it right.
01:03:52So don't like, I know that's hard to like say, or, you know, hard, maybe hard to hear it from me,
01:03:58but like right now we just have to nail the model.
01:04:01And the only reason for marketing is just so you have reps to practice.
01:04:06This offer the sales motion to get people into the membership.
01:04:10It's the only point of existence right now.
01:04:12Once that gets nailed, you can see all the fucking move.
01:04:14So the scaling here is just so we get more reps, not cause we're trying to make more money.
01:04:17That makes sense.
01:04:19All right.
01:04:20Just a reframe for you.
01:04:21So it's like, oh, we broke even this month.
01:04:22It's like, that's not the objective right now.
01:04:24We have to nail it and then we'll scale to the fucking move.
01:04:27That makes sense.
01:04:29Cool.
01:04:30How's, uh, how's Vantage been for you so far?
01:04:32It's a game changer, man.
01:04:34I mean, I've never been put in a room with like so many like-minded people.
01:04:37I've just been tapped out by like Twitter and Reddit.
01:04:40It's your subreddit.
01:04:43And there's like five guys in there.
01:04:44Well, good to know.
01:04:47Well, I appreciate you, man.
01:04:48Thanks for saying so.
01:04:49And that's the playbook.
01:04:50All right.
01:04:50Thank you so much, man.
01:04:52Appreciate you.
01:04:53All right.
01:04:58We drink soda.
01:05:01We eat pizza.
01:05:01This feels like modern Dave Ramsey showbook building quality business.
01:05:05Thank you, Trade in Black.
01:05:06Let's see here.
01:05:11When will the Straits of Hormozie reopen?
01:05:15When will the Straits of Hormozie be open?
01:05:18Uh, 19 year old become a real estate agent.
01:05:23How do you grow your business?
01:05:24Who we got next?
01:05:27Hey, Alex.
01:05:30What's up?
01:05:30What's up?
01:05:30Not much.
01:05:33Hey, first and foremost, I just want to say Vantage has been an absolute game changer.
01:05:37The AI is, to put it in Justin's words, disgusting.
01:05:42It's going to have so much clarity on our business.
01:05:44And just like the last guy said, like the community is just such high
01:05:48caliber people it's made such a big difference.
01:05:50So thank you.
01:05:51I appreciate it.
01:05:51Here in my situation.
01:05:54So I'm like the seventh guy to say this today, but I'm 24.
01:05:58My wife and I, we just learned about to pay for IVF treatments, which are really expensive.
01:06:02And my 23 year old business partner and his wife are pregnant as well.
01:06:07It's like a baby's in the air.
01:06:09Yes.
01:06:10Yes.
01:06:10We basically have a nine month time clock going to solve our biggest constraints.
01:06:15So we can obviously make enough money to support them and be present with our kids as we're having
01:06:20them.
01:06:21So for context, we sell them for you content marketing services to door to door and life
01:06:26insurance salesman who do content and ads for them.
01:06:29We make a million dollars per year and we want to be at the $10 million per year mark.
01:06:33But our churn average is at 17% per month.
01:06:37I think an issue of being too far down market.
01:06:40And so I'm wondering how do I create an offer in marketing that will attract
01:06:45market people and decrease our churn?
01:06:48Yeah.
01:06:49So, okay.
01:06:51So you're doing done for you for door to door right now.
01:06:53Are you helping them attract salespeople?
01:06:54Are you helping them attract like homeowners?
01:06:57Salespeople helping them grow their teams.
01:06:59Yeah.
01:06:59Yeah, I got it.
01:07:00Okay.
01:07:00All right.
01:07:02So when you're saying, so the, okay, so what are you just doing?
01:07:07Just doing lead gen and then, all right, let me reverse.
01:07:10Which avatars are working out?
01:07:15Really just the higher earner guys and that, that are getting recruits.
01:07:21What's really hard about the industry is like, we can get people to get recruits in their
01:07:25downline, but then when they're not like high enough level people to train them, then on
01:07:29the backend, they don't actually make any money.
01:07:31Okay.
01:07:31Yeah, no, that tracks.
01:07:33So what, so then if you were to say, what are the requirements in terms of revenue for somebody
01:07:39to like, or, or team size for someone to like, to be a high likely candidate of not churning?
01:07:45Yeah, our best, best clients make over 800K a year in, in personal positions.
01:07:51And plus how much they make on their downlines team size.
01:07:55It kind of varies by industry, how big your team needs to be.
01:07:57But yeah, like around the 30 person mark on their sales team is a good indicator.
01:08:03Okay.
01:08:03So to me, I hear, call it 750, 750K plus is qualified number one.
01:08:10Number two is you have to have a training system.
01:08:14And number three is you need to have at least call it 10 plus guys.
01:08:18So if every person that you signed up, had a training system, had over 10 guys in their
01:08:22downline and was doing 750 a year, would you say that that would be a good avatar to work off of?
01:08:25Yeah.
01:08:27Okay.
01:08:28So that's number one.
01:08:28Now what's the price point right now?
01:08:32It was, we have two packages.
01:08:36Our top package was $39.95 a month, lower package is $3,000 a month.
01:08:41That's weird.
01:08:42It's the same price.
01:08:44Um, what's that is the, by the way, the same price, um, from a buying, like a buying bucket
01:08:49perspective, the same, same.
01:08:51Um, so of these call it three and 4k a month, uh, customers.
01:08:57Do you have any idea what the churn is amongst these more qualified people?
01:09:03A lot lower.
01:09:06Uh, I can't say like, would you say it's five?
01:09:08Would you say it's 5%?
01:09:09Would you say it's 10%?
01:09:10Would you say it's half?
01:09:13I can say that these people will stay for like over a year.
01:09:16Oh, dude.
01:09:17Stay for like three months.
01:09:18Yeah.
01:09:18Game over.
01:09:19Okay.
01:09:19This is great.
01:09:19So what's cap right now?
01:09:20Uh, including the sales commission, it's like 2100.
01:09:25Dude, hold on.
01:09:26So is the only reason you haven't scaled this up?
01:09:29Um, well, okay.
01:09:30Let me ask the other question.
01:09:31What percentage of customers are the ICP or this good person versus the bad person?
01:09:35Oh, so low.
01:09:36We have like six, uh, six out of the 40 that we manage that are the ICP.
01:09:41Okay.
01:09:42Got it.
01:09:43So I think what you're going to do is this I'm going to give you a short term and long
01:09:46term.
01:09:47Okay.
01:09:47Cause we've got to make money in a day, but like, so what I want you to do is I want you
01:09:51to have, um, basically 5k, um, as your price to the, uh, to the minnows who are coming
01:10:00in.
01:10:00Okay.
01:10:01Five or six.
01:10:02I I'm kind of agnostic there, uh, for minnows and just say that it's billed quarterly.
01:10:07So that's actually a price drop for you, but I think if it's built quarterly, it'll give
01:10:12them more runway to actually like get going and whatnot.
01:10:14And it'll have a little bit bigger commitment for you and you can still generate some cash.
01:10:17This is short term, longterm.
01:10:19What we need to do is we need to change all the messaging to the avatar, to the correct
01:10:25avatar.
01:10:26And so if you only talk to the correct avatar, like whenever you talk to a slice of the audience,
01:10:31everything underneath always applies and it basically cuts off around what you're talking.
01:10:35So if you're, if I say, you know, million dollar plus business owners, um, like obviously we
01:10:40qualify for, you know, a million plus, um, minus the people we've been farther from the
01:10:44launch.
01:10:45Um, but there's, we get tons of people who are below that who apply.
01:10:50Right.
01:10:51And so we just have to qualify the people that we sell.
01:10:53And so if the messaging doesn't say this, then you're not going to attract them.
01:10:57Yeah.
01:10:58Right.
01:10:59Okay.
01:11:00Now how much does, cause you might be a little mispriced because I kind of like, I kind of
01:11:07like like 5k a month and 5k a quarter.
01:11:11So 5k a quarter for the memos.
01:11:13The two tiers.
01:11:14Yeah.
01:11:14Cause they're too close.
01:11:153k and 4k is the same number.
01:11:16Yeah.
01:11:18So I want to take the lower one, make it lower.
01:11:20I want to be closer to like $1,500 a month is what I'm thinking.
01:11:24And then for the higher tier, it's like those guys, the 5k a month is nothing for them.
01:11:28Right.
01:11:29Yeah.
01:11:32But they think it's a lot oftentimes.
01:11:34Yeah.
01:11:34But I mean, no, like every, they're salespeople.
01:11:37Like, I mean, everyone's going to negotiate.
01:11:38Like every vendor I have is charging me too much.
01:11:41Like, like whatever we care about is their behavior.
01:11:45Are they canceling?
01:11:47No.
01:11:47So it's not too much.
01:11:48Right.
01:11:49Yeah.
01:11:49And are they buying?
01:11:50Yes.
01:11:51When you get them on the phone, right?
01:11:52Yes.
01:11:53Right.
01:11:53So I, I mean, I think, and this is, you're going to, you're going to, you know, shit your
01:11:57pants when I say this.
01:11:58I think you're probably going to be in a world where you might be at the five to 10,000 a
01:12:03month in the not too distant future.
01:12:04Because remember if 750k is the minimum, right?
01:12:07People above that, you know, 60k, 80k, it's not going to make a huge deal because if they're
01:12:12going to get all the salespeople that need to triple their income, like what are we talking
01:12:16about?
01:12:16You know what I'm saying?
01:12:18Yeah.
01:12:18So two questions with that.
01:12:20The first one being, so how we get our leads right now.
01:12:26I do a little bit of paid ads, but mostly like organic content.
01:12:29And I feel like the amount of people that are in the ICP from a content perspective is so
01:12:36small.
01:12:37Like, I don't know what total TAM is, but I don't feel like it's enough to, if I'm making
01:12:41organic content and actually perform well enough.
01:12:43Dude, welcome to my world.
01:12:45Do you know what percentage of businesses are, one, there's 9% of people in a business.
01:12:49Of the people that own a business, percentage of people that are over a million is like 5%
01:12:53of that 9%.
01:12:53That's just a million.
01:12:55Forget 10, right?
01:12:58Just a million.
01:12:59So I'm already like half a percent of all people.
01:13:02So like, there's nothing wrong with saying I'm skimming from the top and I'm surfing it.
01:13:06Because here's the thing that if I could show you a map visually, did you watch the YouTube
01:13:12video I made that was like the 51.1.1 rule?
01:13:13Did you see that one?
01:13:15I haven't seen that one, no.
01:13:16Watch it, okay?
01:13:17So that video, basically I put this map up where I put 100 circles to represent 100% of
01:13:23people, right?
01:13:25And if you draw a line in the middle, if you look at all wealth, 50 of those dots have
01:13:30$2.
01:13:30And then the next like 40% have like $25.
01:13:37And then the next 9% have like $36.
01:13:41And then the top 1% has like $32.
01:13:44And so if you look at that map, the fact that you can only serve this tiny amount is not
01:13:51a tiny amount of the money.
01:13:55So you think putting out content as the main source of getting the leads like in terms
01:14:00of content and ads?
01:14:02Content and ads.
01:14:03All the messaging through the funnel and the offer needs to apply to this avatar.
01:14:08Because you're going to spin your wheels forever at 78% shirt.
01:14:10You're not going to grow.
01:14:10Yep.
01:14:12Right?
01:14:12Yep.
01:14:13That's how it's been the last year and a half.
01:14:15Right.
01:14:15So you're going to still get minnows and that's fine.
01:14:18We're going to put them into a lower price at a less frequent billing cadence to hopefully
01:14:21give them a little bit more on-ramp time without them having to make another purchasing decision
01:14:24to hopefully get kind of up-skilled enough to make it work.
01:14:27Inside of that minnow thing, I would probably include a training on how to build a training.
01:14:30Or just build a fucking training and then give it to them and then have them execute it.
01:14:34Some of them are going to do it.
01:14:34Some are not.
01:14:35This is short-term cash flow.
01:14:37But the long-term play, and I need you to do this in terms of your data tracking, separate
01:14:41out your ICPs from non-ICPs and then track that turn separately.
01:14:45Okay.
01:14:47That's the turn I care about.
01:14:48If we can get that turn to sub 3% a month, we're fucking killing it.
01:14:52All right?
01:14:52Okay.
01:14:52That's the game.
01:14:54My second question is in terms of what that lowers, so for $1,500 a month, we have our
01:15:01like costs to deliver for delivering everything.
01:15:04Do less.
01:15:04Do less.
01:15:05Just do less.
01:15:06Yeah.
01:15:07Less pieces of content per month or less.
01:15:09I mean, realistically, you need to use AI more and automate a huge portion of that.
01:15:13Yeah.
01:15:13That's been real.
01:15:14Recently learned that.
01:15:15Yeah.
01:15:16Yeah.
01:15:16Okay.
01:15:17Like we have a YouTube channel that we just started that with one guy and we're putting
01:15:22out 20 videos a day.
01:15:24That's creepy.
01:15:25That's creepy.
01:15:26Right.
01:15:26So like you have to lean into this.
01:15:29And if your team's not like the biggest thing out of all this is your cost basis and your
01:15:34pricing is based on your old delivery model.
01:15:36We need to change the delivery model so that you can have significantly higher gross margins.
01:15:39That's like big flashing Vegas signs.
01:15:43Beyond that is change the avatar to 750.
01:15:46They have to have training and at least 10 sales guys.
01:15:48We can split the pricing for minnows and whales.
01:15:50Minnows get 5k per quarter.
01:15:52Whales get 5k per month.
01:15:54Messaging has to now match this new avatar.
01:15:56We need a segment churn, number four segment churn between the ideal customers and the
01:16:02minnows so that we can actually track.
01:16:03Once you hit, I'll just call it 5% a month.
01:16:06Churn with the correct avatar.
01:16:08Scale it.
01:16:08Nice.
01:16:10That's amazing.
01:16:10Thank you so much.
01:16:11Yes.
01:16:12Super cool.
01:16:13Appreciate you.
01:16:13All right.
01:16:16Wasn't this fun?
01:16:18All right.
01:16:19Let's do the chat, the chat, what do we have here?
01:16:24Okay.
01:16:25Should I answer these ones you pull up?
01:16:29Okay.
01:16:30How do you stop?
01:16:31Okay.
01:16:32How do you stop constantly pivoting before execution when each new idea seems more rational
01:16:37than the last?
01:16:39I'm stuck in analysis and can't commit to anything.
01:16:41Okay.
01:16:42So the reason each new idea feels more compelling than the last is that you're actually running
01:16:47on this lovely loop here, which is one of my favorites, which is basically the doom cycle.
01:16:54So you start here and then you get really excited.
01:16:58This is called uninformed optimism.
01:17:00This is where you see the new idea and you're like, holy shit, this looks awesome.
01:17:06Then you find out more about that idea and then you get into informed pessimism.
01:17:12Oh no, this isn't as easy as I thought.
01:17:15I'm not going to become a millionaire overnight.
01:17:17And so then what you do is you go into the valley of despair, which is the sad face.
01:17:21And then at this point, what you do is you find another shiny object.
01:17:24And so you just keep doing the cycle over and over again.
01:17:26The only way to get out of it is basically make it through the valley of despair so that
01:17:30you then get to informed optimism rather than uninformed optimism, which then leads you to
01:17:37achievement.
01:17:38All right.
01:17:38And so you're basically going through the same cycle over and over again of something that
01:17:43I'm doing sucks because I just found out about it.
01:17:44I found this new thing.
01:17:45I don't know much about it, but it sounds exciting.
01:17:47I found out more.
01:17:48It's not as exciting as I thought.
01:17:49Let me look for something else.
01:17:51I'll tell you a story that my CFO, Suzanne Shifflet, told me a long time ago.
01:17:55She said, Alex, in all my years, all I can tell you is everything's got shit.
01:18:00She's like, I've been in this business, this business, this business.
01:18:04All businesses have problems.
01:18:05All, all businesses have shit.
01:18:07And the reason that the grass is so green on the other side is because it's fertilized with
01:18:11manure.
01:18:11All right.
01:18:12And so every single business that feels like it's easy is only a signal that you don't know
01:18:17enough yet.
01:18:18That is a promise that I can make to you.
01:18:19And I can say that last year, maybe it was 2024, was the first year in my whole career
01:18:24where I actually was like, I don't think I have this whole Shawnee object thing as much
01:18:29as I used to.
01:18:30And I would say that for the first 13 years of my career, it was like a huge problem for
01:18:34me.
01:18:34And the story that like when it became real for me was a friend of mine made like 50 million
01:18:40in crypto in a quarter.
01:18:42And I was like, holy shit.
01:18:45And not once in my mind was I like, I should get into this.
01:18:49I was like, I have no idea how that works.
01:18:50I'm glad he spends all his time doing it.
01:18:52I've got my own thing going on.
01:18:53Because there's so much debt that you have to pay down to get good at anything that once
01:18:58you start really going down the path, it's like the thing that we have to think about
01:19:03is let's say this is year one, this is year two, this is year three with whatever business
01:19:10opportunity you're on, right?
01:19:11You want to at year three, say, I want to jump to this new opportunity because it looks more
01:19:16exciting.
01:19:17And it looks more exciting because you think the growth rate is more compelling.
01:19:19But what that really looks like is like, okay, maybe this is year one of the new thing.
01:19:24But the thing is year one of new thing is still year four of the old thing.
01:19:29But then you're like, okay, maybe my growth will be faster.
01:19:33So maybe I'll be at year three at year two on my new thing.
01:19:38Yeah, but then I have to compare it to year five of my old thing.
01:19:42And this is how compounding works over the long haul is that, like, I talk about Mr. Panda
01:19:47a lot, who's my neighbor or was my neighbor, but who owns Panda Express.
01:19:52If you were to talk to him 45 years ago and say, hey, what are you doing?
01:19:56He's like, oh, I'm a China man.
01:19:57And I'm going to make a Chinese chicken shack.
01:19:59I wouldn't say chicken shack.
01:20:00Most people would say, hey, that's not a very good opportunity vehicle.
01:20:04Why are you going to do that?
01:20:05Well, you know, 45 years later, he's a deck of billionaire.
01:20:08So how do you do that?
01:20:09He just kept selling chicken and made the absolute best in the world.
01:20:12Raising canes has seven ingredients on the menu, right?
01:20:16They keep it so simple on purpose because they've tried
01:20:19to eliminate all complexity in the business, which allowed them to scale.
01:20:22And so you can only get that depth of knowledge with the comp,
01:20:24with basically surface area of exposure to the opportunity.
01:20:28And so you have to see the ridges.
01:20:30You have to get into the texture.
01:20:31And so you have to get past the point where you feel like it no longer makes sense.
01:20:35Because that's the point where everyone stops.
01:20:38And so if you see people who are successful,
01:20:40I will give you a belief that I have that has served me well.
01:20:42Which is that if someone else can do it,
01:20:44they're made from the same flesh and blood than I am.
01:20:45I can use the same hands and the same feet and the same mouth
01:20:48to do the same things that they're doing.
01:20:49There's nothing that makes them any better than me.
01:20:51And I can do it.
01:20:52And so all I have to do is I have to model what they're doing.
01:20:54And if I model exactly what they do, I should be able to get what they're doing.
01:20:57But if I'm me, I'm like, well, if I do twice as much or three times as much,
01:21:00then I should be on a long enough time horizon, be able to beat them.
01:21:03And fundamentally, that has been my viewpoint of the world.
01:21:05And if you have the struggle, it's because you need to stick with it.
01:21:07All right.
01:21:11You said that AI implementation is a business that you'd recommend.
01:21:15Yes.
01:21:15Should I learn to code for it or just skip the basics and go all in on Claude?
01:21:19I see these as like happy to glads.
01:21:22A lot of like so in anthropic right now.
01:21:27And so this is a little bit hearsay.
01:21:28Per my understanding, none of them have hands on keyboard.
01:21:32So none of them are actually coding.
01:21:33Everyone has swarms of agents that are, they have 20, 30, 50 agents at a time
01:21:39that are doing their coding.
01:21:40And they're basically full time in project management code review.
01:21:43That's all they're doing.
01:21:44And that's why they're shipping so much stuff so fast.
01:21:46And so if you kind of can skip over that chunk of time right now.
01:21:51And the nice thing is that AI is the first product
01:21:55that has ever existed that will teach you how to use it.
01:21:57You just say, how do I use you?
01:22:00What do I do now?
01:22:02And so yes, I think that is AI implementation is a great business that I'd recommend.
01:22:06And I wouldn't even think about what's my vehicle.
01:22:10Start with the problem.
01:22:11What customer do you want to serve?
01:22:12What problem do you want to solve?
01:22:13Go solve that problem.
01:22:14Elon has this great story about this, which is like, if you're like, I want to learn to code.
01:22:19That's very hard.
01:22:20It's like saying, this is what a wrench does and explaining what a wrench does.
01:22:24It's much more useful to say, hey, let's open up the hood of this engine.
01:22:27And then they're like, well, how do I open the hood of the engine?
01:22:30You're like, you need a wrench.
01:22:31And now the utility of the tool has a purpose and a reinforcement that's attached to it.
01:22:36And so if you want to start with the business owner,
01:22:39start with the problem, and then try and solve the problem.
01:22:41And then you will learn tools in a contextually relevant way,
01:22:43which will actually make it useful.
01:22:44And you actually learn it.
01:22:45All right.
01:22:46Alex, what's the one leadership move Layla does better than anyone
01:22:52that you've quietly adopted yourself?
01:22:54Quietly, that sounds like a GPT question, that you've quietly adopted yourself.
01:23:07Uh, I give, I give more kudos now than I used to.
01:23:11I used to have a little bit more of the, like, if you didn't hear from me,
01:23:13everything's fine perspective.
01:23:15And what that basically is, is it means that I built, I trained my team to extinct good behavior.
01:23:23And so I have dramatically increased the amount of kudos that I give out
01:23:28to people on a regular basis.
01:23:29I'd say that's the biggest thing I've taken from Layla.
01:23:32And for those of you who do know, Layla, my dear wife,
01:23:38she is working on a book about this particular topic.
01:23:43So stay very tuned for that.
01:23:45It's going to be very good.
01:23:46I have read the initial draft and it's quite savage.
01:23:49Also in the chat, if you spam the chat, we'll just delete your shit.
01:23:54And I definitely want to answer your question.
01:23:55So the best way to get your question not answered is to spam.
01:23:59All right.
01:24:00What is the best way to target enterprise clients?
01:24:02We make 3D images for off plan developments, targeting developers,
01:24:07but there are not that many and they're usually huge clients.
01:24:10What's the best approach?
01:24:11Really, it's a really good question.
01:24:13So enterprise clients, it's like you typically want to go where the fish are.
01:24:17To be fair, that's what you want to do with everyone.
01:24:18It's just that the ponds are much smaller and more disparate.
01:24:22And so this is where I like trade shows, conferences and COI.
01:24:28So centers of influence.
01:24:30And so you may find that let's say those developers use specific law firms
01:24:36and I would do what I could to get into there and get them to refer me.
01:24:39So basically at that level, you're going to probably get in from,
01:24:44I would call it less scalable methods because there's so many gates
01:24:47between you and decision maker that you basically need internal champions
01:24:51or trusted champions to make the recommendation.
01:24:54The only alternative to that is basically becoming a thought leader,
01:24:57which is making constant building a long term brand,
01:24:59which obviously you should do long term.
01:25:00So the best way is build a big brand.
01:25:03The fastest way is aggressively increase the amount of outreach,
01:25:09trade shows and affiliates that work with those customers
01:25:15so that you can bolt on or bolt in your services to theirs.
01:25:17Architects would be a good one too.
01:25:20All right, Samal, I work in finance.
01:25:23I have a son with a baby number two on the way.
01:25:26Run a side business, hit the gym and prioritize family.
01:25:30Okay, I passed CFA level one and considering level two in August,
01:25:34but it's mostly ego.
01:25:35How should I decide if it's worth the trade off?
01:25:37I feel like you already answered the question.
01:25:39But if there's a clear ROI for CFA level two
01:25:43and there's like earning that you're going to unlock,
01:25:45that's just a straight ROI question of like how much time does it take to study?
01:25:48And do I unlock permanent income increases?
01:25:51That might make a lot of sense.
01:25:53It sounds like, I mean, I love short term investment for long term forever payoff.
01:25:58And that's what that sounds like this is, especially if it's your career path.
01:26:01But I just want to make sure that it's tied to some level of higher income.
01:26:04But I think it makes sense.
01:26:06And I think if you're like, hey, if you give me these six months,
01:26:09I'll be able to do all of this for the rest of our lives.
01:26:12That seems like a pretty fair trade.
01:26:13If you had a bill of business today with no audience, no capital and only 90 days,
01:26:18what would you do that almost nobody else would be willing to do?
01:26:21What I've already done.
01:26:23Work, man, work.
01:26:28No one's willing to work.
01:26:32It's interesting because maybe Julian can speak to this
01:26:36because he's here a lot with me at 4 a.m.
01:26:40But I think what the hardest thing to see that no one will ever be able to witness
01:26:44unless they literally work at acquisition.com is consistency.
01:26:48Because the only way to witness consistency is to also be consistent.
01:26:52Like you have to be there to see someone show up every day.
01:26:56If I showed you an hour and a half long workout, you might be like, that's it?
01:27:02And so the thing is, the one workout isn't impressive.
01:27:06It's just that you do it for 20 straight years.
01:27:08That's the impressive part.
01:27:09And so there's so much like where you will beat everyone is in longevity.
01:27:13Like it's one of the last remaining alphas that exists is the patience of consistency.
01:27:18It's being willing to do the same thing over and over again without immediate reward.
01:27:21And that is the thing that almost nobody else is willing to do,
01:27:24which is why all the fruits are on the other side of consistency
01:27:26because so few willing people are able to take it.
01:27:28But the thing is, is it is simple.
01:27:30It's just hard because there's so many every day that you have to do something.
01:27:34There's 100 reasons not to do it.
01:27:35And there's only one reason to do it.
01:27:37It's far in the future and you have to convince yourself that that reason is worth it.
01:27:40Okay.
01:27:43If you had zero money, no active, I swear to God, it's like on a deserted island.
01:27:48Like you can't speak.
01:27:50You've lost your tongue.
01:27:51You're blind and need to make money.
01:27:55What do you do?
01:27:56All right.
01:27:56My skill is meta-learning.
01:27:58I've got a profile.
01:27:59I don't even know what meta-learning is.
01:28:01Learning about learning.
01:28:02I'm 23 and I'm trying to make content, but it's hard.
01:28:06I have no team.
01:28:07I have no support, no nothing.
01:28:08Yeah, that's just what starting is.
01:28:10I'm going to make it happen somehow, but I left some advice.
01:28:12I'm going to say something.
01:28:16I'm trying to read between the lines here.
01:28:17So this might be like not what you expected, which is I think I'm smelling a little bit
01:28:29of victim here.
01:28:30A little bit of woe is me.
01:28:32A little bit of like, no this, no this, no this, nothing, no support, no team.
01:28:37And I would say congratulations.
01:28:42You get to start the same way everyone else did who made it.
01:28:44And for everyone who's like, ah, only rich people, we're all rich.
01:28:51If you look at the millionaire's list, the vast majority of them are self-made.
01:28:58The vast majority.
01:28:59It's like 80%, a lot are self-made.
01:29:02Still in America, the minority of people inherit.
01:29:05And even if you did inherit, you still need the skills to keep it.
01:29:09So I'll say this, man.
01:29:12First off, I have a lot of love for you.
01:29:16I know that this thought you're in.
01:29:17I quit my job at 22 and started my business at 23.
01:29:21So I know that kind of like where you're at from that perspective.
01:29:27But I just made a commitment to myself that I would either make it work or die.
01:29:33Basically, like as long as I have food to fuel me, I'll just keep going.
01:29:43And I think like if you can divorce yourself from all the make-believe standards
01:29:50that you are making up and then holding yourself to and then deeming yourself insufficient,
01:29:56you will have significantly more freedom of action.
01:29:59You'll be able to do whatever the fuck it takes
01:30:03to get whatever the fuck you want for however long it fucking takes.
01:30:07And I think that's all you really can ask of yourself.
01:30:11And then the rate of you getting there is going to be directly correlated to your rate of learning.
01:30:16Some people it takes longer to learn.
01:30:17Some people it takes less time to learn.
01:30:19But I can promise you you'll learn faster if you do more.
01:30:23So with that, friends, family, countrymen, lend me your ears.
01:30:28I hope you enjoyed today's sesh of Farmosi Hotline.
01:30:31It was my great honor serving you.
01:30:33Oh, this was enjoyable.
01:30:35Chat, you guys rock.
01:30:36Some of these messages are wild.
01:30:39And have an amazing Thursday.
01:30:42And I'll see you guys on the interwebs.
01:30:44Bye.

Key Takeaway

Scaling service and SaaS businesses from seven to eight figures requires transitioning from 'survive' to 'thrive' customer avatars, aggressively increasing ad creative volume to 100+ units weekly, and tightening unit economics through paid workshops or membership models.

Highlights

Switching from a free webinar to a $99 paid workshop reduces unqualified leads from 90% to roughly 40% while increasing commitment for high-ticket coaching sales.

Scaling a high-ticket service business requires increasing ad creative volume from five pieces per week to approximately 100 to maintain efficiency at higher daily spends.

Bypassing churn in local service businesses like mobile IV therapy involves flipping the model from emergency one-time rescues to 'thrive' memberships sold via interruption-based Meta ads.

AI SaaS companies can reduce churn by implementing two daily live group onboarding calls on Zoom to witness user friction and ensure activation steps like first-video creation occur within seven days.

Hiring for repeatable field roles succeeds by increasing referral bonuses from $1,500 to $10,000 to match the $130,000 in gross profit a single safety professional generates annually.

A content strategy for a niche service agency works best when the founder teaches the public every specific automation and process used to deliver the service, effectively holding nothing back.

Timeline

Converting Warm Audiences to Cold Traffic Funnels

  • A $99 paid workshop outperforms free webinars for cold traffic by filtering for buyers who are significantly more likely to purchase a $5,000 coaching program.
  • Adding specific qualification fields like 'average game buy-in' to lead forms allows for training ad pixels on high-value audiences rather than just lead volume.
  • Increasing workshop duration to three hours provides enough time to deliver massive value and prove competence before making a high-ticket ask.

Transitioning from a $2 million to a $10 million annual pace requires moving past warm audience exhaustion. A paid friction point at the top of the funnel ensures that sales teams spend time only on leads who have already made a micro-purchase. Optimization focuses on the conversion percentage of qualified leads rather than total webinar registrants.

Scaling High-Ticket Health and Fitness Offers

  • Generating 100 pieces of ad creative per week via iPhone-shot hooks and teleprompter apps is necessary to sustain a $3,500 daily ad spend efficiently.
  • Conditional guarantees like 'six-pack in a year or three months free' increase believability and conversion for premium $15,000 all-inclusive programs.
  • Tracking the 'qualified application' step instead of just the final sale provides a dense enough signal for the Meta pixel to optimize effectively.

Volatility in sales often stems from insufficient ad volume relative to the cost of acquisition. Moving from 10 sales a month to 100 requires a 'violence' of creative production, utilizing winning hooks across multiple static and video formats. The focus shifts from broad awareness to specific pixel optimization on a 'qualified only' thank-you page.

International Market Arbitrage and Content Strategies

  • Switching from a small local market like Slovenia to the U.S. market allows an agency to add a zero to their prices for the same skill set.
  • Founders should share 100% of their operational secrets in content to build authority and demonstrate the complexity of the work to potential clients.
  • Voice-cloning AI enables non-native speakers to repurpose successful local content for the English-speaking market with minimal extra effort.

Early-stage businesses with specialized skills in content and ads should target the strongest currency markets. By teaching everything about their process, from automations to AI tools, founders attract clients who recognize the expert's value but do not want to execute the work themselves. Success comes from focusing on one specific avatar, such as realtors, rather than diversifying too early.

Solving SaaS Churn through Human-Led Activation

  • Live Zoom group onboarding sessions twice daily provide the feedback loop needed to identify and remove UI friction that automated checklists miss.
  • Aligning the billing cycle with the customer's value cycle prevents churn in seasonal businesses like real estate photography.
  • Segmenting churn data by acquisition channel and customer avatar reveals which users have the highest lifetime value versus those who only need the tool for one-off tasks.

An AI SaaS losing 100 subscribers for every 150 gained indicates a failure in the activation phase. Identifying core actions—like creating a video or editing a photo within seven days—is the first priority. Testing annual-only billing can stabilize cash flow, while keeping a monthly option provides a fast feedback loop for product improvements.

Managing Supply-Side Economics in Construction Safety

  • A 'Supply Gen' funnel for talent is just as critical as a 'Demand Gen' funnel for customers in high-growth service businesses.
  • Increasing internal referral bonuses to $10,000 outcompetes external recruiters and aligns with the $130,000 gross profit per field employee.
  • Managing specialized roles requires a 'violence of volume' by engaging 10+ contingency-based recruiters simultaneously.

Scaling beyond $2 million requires the founder to step out of technical safety roles and into systems building. Treating recruitment like lead generation—using ads, VSLs, and group interviews—removes the time constraint of one-on-one hiring. The goal is to establish a Cost of Acquiring Talent (CAT) and Lifetime Gross Profit per Employee metric to mirror customer economics.

Flipping Local Service Models to Membership Recurring Revenue

  • Flipping an emergency-based service into a 'thrive' membership moves the business from price-shopping competition to interruption-based brand loyalty.
  • The 'make today free' pitch effectively converts one-time users into long-term members by crediting the first service toward a recurring plan.
  • Meta ads outperform search ads for high-LTV memberships because they target users before they have an immediate crisis.

Mobile IV businesses often struggle with high Google Ads CAC because they compete for people in pain who want the fastest, cheapest fix. Moving to Meta ads targets users who want to feel better daily, allowing for premium pricing and recurring revenue. Selling prepayments for 3 to 12-month memberships front-loads the cash needed to scale ad spend.

Identifying and Scaling the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP)

  • A 17% monthly churn rate is usually a signal of being 'too far down market' with customers who lack the infrastructure to benefit from the service.
  • Focusing messaging exclusively on the top 1% of the market naturally filters out 'minnows' who cannot afford to stay long-term.
  • Segmenting churn data by ICP versus non-ICP prevents bad data from obscuring a healthy core business model.

In the door-to-door recruitment space, clients making less than $750,000 annually often lack the systems to train new recruits, leading to high churn. By raising prices and targeting only high-earners with existing teams, an agency can lower churn to sub-5%. Smaller clients can still be served via automated, lower-touch quarterly billing models to preserve cash flow.

The Psychology of Consistency and Avoiding Shiny Objects

  • Uninformed optimism leads to a 'valley of despair' where founders pivot to new ideas just as the real work of the first idea begins.
  • Longevity is the ultimate competitive advantage, as most competitors will quit before compounding takes effect.
  • Learning and implementation should start with a concrete problem rather than abstract tool study; the problem dictates the tool.

Success is rarely about finding a better vehicle and usually about sticking to one long enough to see the ridges and texture of the opportunity. The 'shit' exists in every business, and the grass is only green on the other side because it is fertilized with manure. Real progress occurs when a founder commits to a path for 20 years rather than 20 weeks.

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