00:00:00I was gonna ask whether or not you have an intention
00:00:02of maybe looking at the world of Luxmaxing in future.
00:00:06- Clericula, as they said, like after,
00:00:08'cause we finished filming our documentary,
00:00:11which by the way is on Netflix.
00:00:13I'm gonna do a brazen plug.
00:00:14That's off, I don't know if it's--
00:00:16- It'll be out, yes, it's out now, it's out now.
00:00:18It's out now.
00:00:19- And which is exciting 'cause I've made stuff
00:00:21mainly for the BBC and this is my first foray
00:00:25as a Netflix, as maker of a Netflix original.
00:00:28It's crazy to think how many like,
00:00:31well, I don't know how many people are gonna stream it,
00:00:33but it's available worldwide.
00:00:35But we filmed it until about late last year,
00:00:39like maybe August, September,
00:00:42having started earlier in the year, like January, February.
00:00:44And then in the following few months,
00:00:46I remember one of my kids came down and was like,
00:00:48dad, check this out.
00:00:49And it was some piece of Clericula content.
00:00:52And I did not think he was gonna blow up the way he did.
00:00:56I just thought, oh, well, he's kind of very good looking guy
00:01:00who he seemed, I don't know,
00:01:02like he was just doing what he was doing.
00:01:04But, and then Ed Matthews' comment was like,
00:01:06oh, he would have been in the documentary,
00:01:07but he spawned into the game too late.
00:01:10I just like the-- - It's true, it's true.
00:01:13- It's kind of true, it's kind of true.
00:01:14They're all avatars of some sort of social media game.
00:01:18- The Clericula thing is, I think, different.
00:01:21And the reason that I think that,
00:01:24and I actually think that we're seeing the,
00:01:26what could be if it takes hold,
00:01:28the beginning of sort of the new phase of the Manosphere.
00:01:33So I had this conception, I'll see if you agree with it,
00:01:37that the Manosphere kind of had three waves,
00:01:38kind of like feminism.
00:01:39So the first one was pickup artistry,
00:01:41and that was Neil Strauss in the game, it was Negging.
00:01:44And it was basically completely whitewashed
00:01:48when Me Too came along,
00:01:49because there was no way that this sort of brazen,
00:01:53we just want to have casual sex with women,
00:01:55use them and discard them thing,
00:01:57could have survived Harvey Weinstein.
00:01:59It just, it straight up couldn't have existed anymore.
00:02:02It was seen as too unsanitary.
00:02:04So then what comes out next is more Red Pill.
00:02:07And that's Alphas and Betas and Cucks and Soy Boys.
00:02:10And that's kind of the world that you inhabited.
00:02:14And then it seems to me that the next one
00:02:19that might be coming online
00:02:21is actually a disregarding of women.
00:02:24Like if you listen to what Clavicula talks about,
00:02:26he's not bothered about women.
00:02:28It's actually much closer to the Black Pill
00:02:31than it is to the Red Pill.
00:02:33It's not about, maybe to some degree,
00:02:35it's about gaining money,
00:02:36but I don't even hear that as a stated goal.
00:02:40It's literally about male-male intra-sexual competition.
00:02:44That's what mocking is, right?
00:02:45It's about I am the most formidable looking,
00:02:49even if I'm not the most formidable,
00:02:50I'm not seeing people talking about
00:02:52actually becoming fighters,
00:02:54actually becoming sort of hard men,
00:02:57but just looking like hard men.
00:02:59It's actually a really feminized way
00:03:00of becoming super masculine, right?
00:03:02It's using cosmetic surgery.
00:03:05It's using beautification and enhancement.
00:03:08It's using different clothing.
00:03:09It's spending a lot of time thinking about
00:03:11sort of the way that you look,
00:03:13not necessarily what you can do.
00:03:14So to focus on appearance rather than competence.
00:03:17And it's not in any way concerned with women,
00:03:21the approval of women.
00:03:22There is a world in which you could have said
00:03:26that the Red Pill was the romantic pill,
00:03:28because regardless of whether or not
00:03:29it was particularly typically romantic,
00:03:31it was still very much concerned with the approval of women,
00:03:34even if it was in their disregard,
00:03:36the relationship between women.
00:03:39And I don't think that we're seeing that.
00:03:41I don't think we're seeing that with women.
00:03:42- That's interesting.
00:03:42Yeah, it's reminding me a bit of mug towel,
00:03:44men going their own way.
00:03:46And which is, as you say, like the ultimate black pill,
00:03:49where you sort of think, you know what,
00:03:51women, I can't deal with them.
00:03:53You know what, I was also thinking about,
00:03:54because I think in addition to the message,
00:03:57you have to think about the means of delivery.
00:04:00And so much of this, as I said earlier,
00:04:02with like Iceberg Slim versus Andrew Tate,
00:04:05the message might be similar,
00:04:07but the means of delivery makes it something else.
00:04:10Like I think Andrew Tate in many respects
00:04:12was a side effect of kind of the TikTok algorithm.
00:04:15You mentioned PUA, the pickup artistry community
00:04:18were communicating largely through books and seminars.
00:04:21Like come to Las Vegas for a three-day immersive
00:04:24in how to pick up women.
00:04:25You think about the red pill,
00:04:26that was communicated in podcasts and YouTube.
00:04:30But whereas this new iteration
00:04:32is a live streaming phenomenon,
00:04:33and specifically Clavicula,
00:04:36he's not the first looks maxer at all,
00:04:38but he's the first looks maxer that live streams
00:04:41that I'm aware of.
00:04:44And in that live streaming environment,
00:04:46you're not really convey,
00:04:47it's not like a how to as such.
00:04:50It's a much more fluid experience
00:04:52of kind of forming an attachment to someone
00:04:55and seeing them exploring the world
00:04:56and getting into scrapes.
00:04:57So he sort of has the luxury of not really needing a message.
00:05:01His message seems to be,
00:05:02other than the fact that if you're really good looking,
00:05:06you can kind of hack the system, right?
00:05:08That's, there's not, you know,
00:05:10he seems politically ambiguous.
00:05:12He seems to say almost anything.
00:05:15I mean, he was hesitant with almost anything,
00:05:17but you know, his whole thing,
00:05:18like he supports Gavin Newsom over JD Vance
00:05:21because Newsom's better looking
00:05:22and Vance looks like a hobbit, right?
00:05:24- Subhuman.
00:05:25- And everyone, and all the red pill community.
00:05:27It was kind of a, you know, weird way,
00:05:29a genius move as a way of distinguishing himself
00:05:32from the red pill, right?
00:05:34He's like, I don't really care about, I'm so empty.
00:05:37I'm so utterly amoral
00:05:41that I'm gonna endorse the person who embodies
00:05:45a sort of a kind of California progressive mentality, right?
00:05:50And everyone's like, what the actual,
00:05:52like that was the most outrageous thing
00:05:54he could do at that point.
00:05:55You know what I mean? - Yeah, but he's better looking.
00:05:57- Yeah.
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