The Uber Eats to OnlyFans Pipeline
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00:00:00George, you're a connoisseur of beverages, would you say so as you open another carbonated
00:00:06beverage?
00:00:07Well, gentlemen, have you ever had full fat Coke with salted peanuts in it?
00:00:12No.
00:00:13I have not.
00:00:14Say less.
00:00:15Take a glass.
00:00:16Okay.
00:00:17Take a Coke.
00:00:18Take a peanut.
00:00:20So there's a viral tweet that goes out.
00:00:23About 30 years ago, I read in a Haruki Murakami essay that in America, it's popular to drink
00:00:29cola with peanuts in it.
00:00:31I just went, huh.
00:00:32And a long time passed since then, but I finally tried it.
00:00:35What the hell is this?
00:00:36It's ridiculously delicious.
00:00:37No kidding.
00:00:38It's at a level where I don't want to drink cola any other way anymore.
00:00:41So we are going to drink.
00:00:42Have you before?
00:00:43Or are we going to find out?
00:00:44I saved this.
00:00:45I saw that and I've been edging myself with fucking cola and peanuts since then.
00:00:50Is there an order you have peanuts first?
00:00:51I think that's crazy, right?
00:00:54Peanuts first.
00:00:55Peanuts first seems more insane.
00:00:56Yeah.
00:00:57It's like cereal.
00:00:58I'm just blowing my load early.
00:00:59Hold on.
00:01:00Okay.
00:01:01Peanuts and Coke is the most accidentally perfect food pairings in history.
00:01:04The chemistry explains why this guy can't go back.
00:01:07Coca-Cola sits at pH 2.5, roughly the same acidity as stomach acid.
00:01:12What's awful about it?
00:01:13We need to show the camera what this looks like.
00:01:14It does not look as good as that.
00:01:17Look at how much it's fizzing.
00:01:18Anyway, there's a load of signs.
00:01:20Salt on the peanut suppresses the bitter taste receptors on your tongue, which amplifies your
00:01:24perception of the sweetness without adding a single gram of sugar.
00:01:27The carbonation does two things.
00:01:29CO2 dissolved in liquid forms carbonic acid, which, wait.
00:01:34So I think we need to leave it.
00:01:36So we're going to, we're going to have, we're going to set this down and come back to it.
00:01:38We'll come back to it in like a little bit.
00:01:40Honestly, the original Coke like this alone already would have blown my mind.
00:01:45Yeah.
00:01:46I haven't had, have you had this?
00:01:47This is like, this is Kratum.
00:01:48This is actually Kratum.
00:01:49Yeah.
00:01:50Jared, you need, you need this.
00:01:51Don't forget.
00:01:52You're going to have a high, high potency on yours unless you fill it up.
00:01:55Yeah.
00:01:56This is, this is, you're a better connoisseur of beverages, especially sparkling ones.
00:02:01This is my...
00:02:02Should we take a starter sip?
00:02:03No, I think we wait.
00:02:04I think we wait.
00:02:05We're going to wait for a little bit and then come back to it.
00:02:06And this doesn't get you high or anything?
00:02:08Well, no, it's the only thing that you're interested in.
00:02:11He's no longer interested.
00:02:12No, no, no.
00:02:13I'm interested in other things as well.
00:02:14Okay.
00:02:15All right.
00:02:16What does it do?
00:02:19Question.
00:02:20Question.
00:02:21Who do you think is the highest paid athlete of all time?
00:02:25I know the answer to this.
00:02:27Okay.
00:02:28Well done.
00:02:29One year?
00:02:30All time?
00:02:31All time.
00:02:32All time.
00:02:33Who's the highest paid athlete?
00:02:34Um, Michael Jordan.
00:02:35Ronaldo, Messi.
00:02:36They come to mind.
00:02:37Michael Jordan will be second.
00:02:41Tiger Woods.
00:02:42Third.
00:02:43Joey Chestnut.
00:02:44I'm a palmer.
00:02:45Bonnie Blue, actually.
00:02:46It depends what sport you're talking about.
00:02:48Yeah.
00:02:49Yeah.
00:02:50It's a real endurance.
00:02:51Can I throw in a guess out there?
00:02:53Yeah.
00:02:54A Roman chariot racer who allegedly made over a billion dollars.
00:02:59Correct.
00:03:00You owe Spelman because you just predicted what he was going to say.
00:03:03He's a history teacher.
00:03:04Yeah.
00:03:05Well, Kratum does crazy things to your mind.
00:03:07Gaius Apuleius Diocles.
00:03:10So Michael Jordan has earned $1.8 billion.
00:03:14Tiger Woods, $1.7 billion.
00:03:15Arnold Palmer, $1.4 billion.
00:03:17Jack Nicklaus, $1.2 billion.
00:03:18Oh, it was $15 billion he made.
00:03:21$15 billion in today's money.
00:03:24He basically won 35 million, 863, 120 sesteris.
00:03:31By some estimation, over $15 billion in 2011.
00:03:34And that's pure income from the sport?
00:03:37So I assume because back then there's probably no sponsorships.
00:03:39No sponsorship.
00:03:40Not a shoe deal.
00:03:41Hashtag ad.
00:03:42Yeah.
00:03:43Shield deal.
00:03:44Yeah.
00:03:45I wonder who could have offset his bodicea budget.
00:03:47Wow.
00:03:48$15 billion, dude.
00:03:51And the tweet says, "Eat shit, Michael Jordan, you broke bitch."
00:03:54Yeah.
00:03:55I think I saw that same thing.
00:03:58That's why I knew that.
00:03:59That's what I've contributed.
00:04:00That's what I've contributed.
00:04:01You did kind of ruin it by knowing the answer.
00:04:03But we'll let that slide.
00:04:04No.
00:04:05Do we have a photo of this guy?
00:04:07Just search that dude, Jared.
00:04:09The fucking Gaius Apuleius Diocles.
00:04:11I'm sure you can spell that.
00:04:15It's fascinating coming from the UK to the US and seeing how Europe is kind of criticized
00:04:20as being like a socialist place and the US is seen as this capitalist place.
00:04:24Meanwhile, our sports are way more capitalist.
00:04:28I still don't understand how US sports work where you have ... Because I went to go watch
00:04:32a Miami Heat game and I searched the guy's salaries.
00:04:35One guy's on like 50 million and then the rest are on like his entire salary combined, which
00:04:40is absurd.
00:04:41And he can't make more than that.
00:04:43It's capped, which is un-American, right?
00:04:46And then you have the whole draft at the end of the season where whoever finished last
00:04:51gets rewarded the most.
00:04:53It's the most un-American thing.
00:04:54It's a communist approach.
00:04:55Yeah.
00:04:56All right.
00:04:57Should we drink this Coke?
00:04:58Okay, let's go.
00:04:59You've been staring at me.
00:05:00All right.
00:05:01Cheers, gentlemen.
00:05:02Cheers.
00:05:03Cheers.
00:05:04Cheers.
00:05:05Fucking cheers.
00:05:06Fuck that, mate.
00:05:07Fuck that.
00:05:08Sweet and salty.
00:05:09Tastes quite a lot like Coke.
00:05:10Yeah.
00:05:11Tastes like Coke, but then I ate the peanuts.
00:05:12Which was nice.
00:05:13You know what it tastes like?
00:05:14Coke with peanuts.
00:05:15It did not change the flavor at all for me.
00:05:17Maybe we need to let it sit longer.
00:05:19It's less different.
00:05:20Maybe we need to...
00:05:21I think it's more the aesthetic.
00:05:22Oh, you think that this is an art piece?
00:05:25Yes.
00:05:26Like even if you made a...
00:05:27It looks like what happens if you've eaten too much Mexican food.
00:05:31If you had the best Michelin's, yes.
00:05:37Just looks so much like there's too much fucking...
00:05:42I do enjoy chewing while drinking Coke, so that's good.
00:05:45That's a positive.
00:05:46I'm going to keep going with that.
00:05:47Yeah.
00:05:48What if you...
00:05:49I mean, can you choke on the peanuts?
00:05:50That's always a risk.
00:05:53I have a question for the group that I wanted to ask people on.
00:05:59Bullish or bearish on certain trends.
00:06:01So I kind of want to know trends that are big right now in society or aren't big right now
00:06:06that you think should be bigger.
00:06:07So just give me things that people may be particularly popular about right now that you think don't
00:06:14deserve to be and vice versa.
00:06:16Overpriced and underpriced.
00:06:17Yeah.
00:06:18Okay.
00:06:19What do you think is overhyped at the moment?
00:06:21I want to say AI, but then it's probably going to change the fucking world.
00:06:25I just feel sick of hearing about it.
00:06:26I'm kind of sick of hearing permanently about how it's going to be the end of everything
00:06:31or the beginning of everything.
00:06:32And there's no one that's in the middle.
00:06:34There's no one that's like, yeah, AI is pretty cool.
00:06:36It's people who are complete doomers or just like David Friedberg.
00:06:40Like there's only two ends of the barbell, but I would quite like AI to chill out a little
00:06:45bit in terms of everyone talking about it.
00:06:47I guess we've never lived through a mania like this.
00:06:51I guess the leeriest one would have been the internet.
00:06:54Crypto with NFTs was a little bit, but it was different.
00:06:56Crypto with NFTs was fucking hard, dude.
00:06:58That would have been top of my list.
00:07:00But I think a lot of sensible people were skeptical about NFTs for sure, aspects of crypto.
00:07:09Whereas I feel like, you know, AI right now, even the people who are doomers, they're not
00:07:15saying AI sucks.
00:07:16They're saying it's too powerful.
00:07:18It's either this is so powerful, life is going to be amazing or this is so powerful life is
00:07:23like over for us and nobody's really, nobody really like, Hey, this is, it's just a flash
00:07:27in the pan.
00:07:28Like in the early internet, there's famous articles where it's like the internet won't
00:07:32amount to anything.
00:07:33This is a fancy fax machine.
00:07:34There's you know, there's articles you can go pull up now and mock people.
00:07:37I feel like with AI, we kind of all know.
00:07:39Hmm.
00:07:40What about you?
00:07:41What do you think?
00:07:42Well, I'm getting really into metaverse real estate.
00:07:45It's it's the place.
00:07:46Now's the time to get in.
00:07:47So I'm buying up a lot of land.
00:07:49I've got a place next to Snoop Dogg.
00:07:50This feels a little bit like kicking a dead body whilst it's on the ground and saying that
00:07:54you killed it.
00:07:55Do you know what I mean?
00:07:56You can't say the metaverse is overhyped when it's already dead.
00:07:59You know that Simpsons meme where it's like, stop, stop.
00:08:02He's already dead.
00:08:04Don't see you hanging a board ape up in here, do you?
00:08:06So there you go.
00:08:07Why don't you talk about your cryptos?
00:08:08You know, here's actually a weird one that I was, I did all right on that toad.
00:08:12Did all right on that toad baby.
00:08:15All right.
00:08:17You can look it up on chain as well, actually.
00:08:18So there's no, there's no fraud there.
00:08:20There's no lies.
00:08:21You can, you can verify my NFT activity good stuff.
00:08:25You know, one that I'm weirdly, cause it's thinking about, there's lots of stuff you could
00:08:28say where it's almost trite, right?
00:08:30So you go, AI is going to change the world and it's like, most people will probably agree
00:08:33with that.
00:08:34So therefore it's kind of a neutral statement.
00:08:35And I was thinking, well, what are people, what's cliche to be bearish on right now?
00:08:39And then what's the bullish take for that?
00:08:41My two big ones are number one, the mainstream media.
00:08:46I'm ridiculously bullish in the next five years on the power the mainstream media has.
00:08:51Which is like the, oh, it's kind of like don't go to college kind of statement.
00:08:54Whereas it's kind of saying almost the opposite now of go to college.
00:08:57Mainstream media in particular, this is, it's almost like they have the highest value audience
00:09:03in the world because nobody I know listens to mainstream media and that's kind of part
00:09:07of the joke, except Donald Trump, except kissed armor, except Macron.
00:09:13Like we was at dinner the other night once, but with somebody who used to work in the cabinet
00:09:17in the UK.
00:09:18And one of my favorite questions to ask people apart from that question previously is when
00:09:23you meet somebody who knows a lot about an industry of you've worked in this thing for
00:09:27ages.
00:09:28It's like layman's like me just not appreciate that's really fascinating on the inside.
00:09:33And he paused for a while to answer the question about what it's like being inside number 10.
00:09:37And the thing he reiterated was how much of the conversation is shifted by what's on the
00:09:43BBC or what's on the Guardian.
00:09:45And you kind of see this with Trump a little bit now when he'll address, um, he'll know
00:09:49like each news reporter by name and it's like, meanwhile, nobody reads this.
00:09:54Nobody consumes this, but it still has such a little rivalries with, oh, that's such an
00:09:58in search from the lame times or whatever the, I'm like, what the fuck?
00:10:01Yes.
00:10:02And likewise, um, in number 10, the amount of reactionary time just goes to what's on
00:10:07the headlines that nobody's reading really apart from a few geriatric 65 year olds.
00:10:12Therefore there's still, it's kind of weirdly underpriced.
00:10:14Well, there's, there's always going to be prestige in the mainstream media because there's a limited
00:10:19amount of time and a limited amount of space.
00:10:21Anybody can make a YouTube channel, which is awesome and subversive and rebellious and whatever,
00:10:26but also that means anyone can make it.
00:10:27So there's no prestige associated with doing it.
00:10:30There's only 24 hours in the day on CBS.
00:10:33So if you get 15 minutes of that day implicitly, you're being given something.
00:10:38There's a kind of prestige with it.
00:10:40That being said, has anyone ever watched discovery life?
00:10:42Have you ever seen discovery life?
00:10:46Discovery channel life?
00:10:47No.
00:10:48So I'm fucking training in the gym and there's so many different TV screens, brand new gym.
00:10:52So apparently everybody needs to watch.
00:10:55It's like a three-year-old playing subway surfer whilst watching TikTok at the same time.
00:10:59So fucking screens everywhere.
00:11:00I'm looking over and there's a lovely lady on TV, black lady, like nicely dressed, floral
00:11:07outfit thing.
00:11:08And she is having one of her own fingernails extracted from behind her own ear.
00:11:17Like at 10 AM in the morning.
00:11:20Discovery life is an American cable television network.
00:11:23The channel primarily focuses on reality programming, dealing with life events, programming targets
00:11:27female audience, blah, blah, blah.
00:11:29It is fucking medical emergencies at 10 in the morning.
00:11:32And I'm watching this like five inch long pair of tweezers extract this very nice lady's fingernail
00:11:40from behind her own fucking eardrum.
00:11:42Like I'm trying to do bicep curls and it cut from that to the next one.
00:11:48And it was someone's ribs being punctured, fucking 10, 30 in the morning, only in America
00:11:54would it be like healthcare has become basically a competitive sport now that you can fucking
00:11:59broadcast on the internet.
00:12:01So I feel like this is the sort of thing you would have watched at an after party.
00:12:05I've never seen that.
00:12:07I had this realization.
00:12:08I'm trying to find it now, but I wrote about it ages ago, which was, I was once similar
00:12:11to you in the gym working out and the news was on.
00:12:14And it was just like, this number of people have died in Ukraine today.
00:12:19This number of people have died in Gaza today.
00:12:21And then take these pills.
00:12:25And I imagined it of like, if this was a bloke that was in the gym that was saying this or
00:12:32it was a friend, I'd be like, I'm never speaking to you ever again.
00:12:37And it's like, when you begin to personalize it like that, it's just, you view it so differently.
00:12:44But it would be a guy that was shouting it to the entire room.
00:12:46Yes.
00:12:47He wouldn't even be saying it to you specifically.
00:12:48He'd just be saying this black lady had her fingernail caught behind her eardrum.
00:12:53Do you want me to tell you about the lady that took it out of her?
00:12:55Well, I work out at Planet Fitness, so we have people.
00:12:58You've actually seen this happen live.
00:13:00Yeah.
00:13:01Yeah.
00:13:02There's like homeless people in there wigging out while we're all trying to get fit.
00:13:06And it's a good motivation to be able to run away from it.
00:13:11So holy shit, I need to make more money and work out somewhere else.
00:13:14Is it Planet Fitness, like with your membership comes like free pizza or something?
00:13:17Yeah.
00:13:18Yeah.
00:13:19Station at the gym?
00:13:20Yeah.
00:13:21So you don't get the pills, but you do get a Tootsie Roll.
00:13:23It is.
00:13:24It's embarrassing.
00:13:25Dude.
00:13:26I need to get a different gym.
00:13:28Dude, it's interesting that you say that though about being bullish on mainstream media because
00:13:35they've basically have hit the basement in terms of really everything.
00:13:40So there's no way you could think they're going to do worse in my opinion.
00:13:43You couldn't be more bearish.
00:13:44Yeah.
00:13:45So you're correct.
00:13:46Well, I'll give you a note.
00:13:47I'm hitting the basement right now.
00:13:49One that I would buy the shit out of is the United Kingdom.
00:13:54Everybody right now, the UK, literally, I think yesterday the news came out around, it's like
00:13:57the worst economic change in terms of the bond rating.
00:14:00Like the doom and gloom around the UK is so strong right now, but you just go, it's with
00:14:05a goat.
00:14:06Hang on.
00:14:07Are you going to say never bet against the UK?
00:14:08No, no, no.
00:14:09No, no, no.
00:14:10Yes.
00:14:11Yes.
00:14:12Long term.
00:14:13Yes.
00:14:14Just from, just from, even if they do nothing again, just from a pure IP perspective, like
00:14:15just what you have, like I always think I was getting an argument today with Claude, um,
00:14:18in the car.
00:14:19Um, and sometimes I'll, I'll like bounce between Claude chat GPT and crock.
00:14:23That's my like hat.
00:14:24That's like when one of your side pieces won't put out, you pivot to another one.
00:14:32I went, I went to dad and he said, no, mom.
00:14:36I posed the question to Claude and I'm interested in your guys take on this of who's had more,
00:14:42who's more impactful to the world, the Roman empire or United Kingdom.
00:14:46And I think it's the United Kingdom pound for pound, I think pound for pound.
00:14:49We're one third the size of Texas.
00:14:51And like who can, who, who's managed to, um, do this level of output that we've managed
00:14:55to do.
00:14:56And which is a very un-British thing to say.
00:14:57Really living on fucking borrowed time though.
00:14:59Not really.
00:15:00Not really.
00:15:01When was the last thing we did that was cool?
00:15:02Um, deep mind AI, like the whole AI industry comes out of essentially London.
00:15:06How many people do you think know that?
00:15:07Um, this is the technical, the way of viewing UK to the U S is like, we're the technical
00:15:12guy that makes no money and comes up with all the ideas.
00:15:14And then these guys are just sales and marketing.
00:15:16Like you can do, um, uh, AI, essentially the UK, you could do Tim Berners Lee, the internet.
00:15:23You could do, um, I mean, I don't know if this is fully true, but cause it, maybe he's such
00:15:28a genius that he fought this through, but Bitcoin white paper written in, um, British English
00:15:32to correct English.
00:15:33Oh, come on.
00:15:34I don't know who he is, but there's a little bit, there's a little bit of something that
00:15:37probably, but like if you look at, um, yeah, if you want to keep going back, I always had
00:15:44this thing of if God had, um, like top trumps of Grace's country, um, and like each country
00:15:51tries to play the hand.
00:15:52It's the UK is a very tough one to compete with.
00:15:54Very dwindling though.
00:15:55Like when you think about what the market's trend is at the moment,
00:15:59He's being on mainstream, but if you I'm talking about the history of civilization, Roman empire,
00:16:07what the Italians doing, but the Roman empire still gets a lot of credit this day, but I
00:16:10just think, um, going back to the question, um, I'm bullish on the UK.
00:16:15Um, just, just in terms of pure IP, um, and impact on the world.
00:16:19But bullish would suggest that you'd invest in it.
00:16:22Yes.
00:16:23What with money, I put it all into the metaverse.
00:16:25I've got the metaverse CNN.
00:16:29Yeah.
00:16:30Yeah.
00:16:31Bridgerton.
00:16:32Yeah.
00:16:33What do you think about Claude?
00:16:34What do you mean?
00:16:35Do you like it?
00:16:36The AI?
00:16:37Yeah.
00:16:38I personally think each, each different AI slightly different.
00:16:39So I'll use what you might know.
00:16:40If somebody's created this yet, what I want and I kind of, I did this, but I couldn't be
00:16:43bothered actually turning it into a product, which I just want a group chat where I can
00:16:47post something in there.
00:16:48They all reply and then they roast one another back and forth in the replies.
00:16:51That's the best, isn't it, general adversarial network.
00:16:55That's what that's called.
00:16:56Look at the big brain.
00:16:57That was amazing.
00:16:58Fucking that's it.
00:16:59Um, uh, Jim O'Shaughnessy's got it for his super crazy fucking AI thing.
00:17:04And uh, he said, yeah, they can get all of the different models to argue with each other
00:17:09behind the scenes.
00:17:10And then whoever has the best answer for this one does it.
00:17:12When you use grok, they show it so that if you use like heavy grok or super grok or whatever
00:17:16Elon calls it, you ask a question and agent one pops up.
00:17:19He starts talking like, I think what he wants to know is blah, blah, blah.
00:17:22Agent two comes in.
00:17:23Well, that wouldn't really be fully accurate.
00:17:24He should really be thinking about this agent three and it'll show up to 15 or 16 agents.
00:17:30Basically like within the same AI, what you're talking about is you want Claude arguing with
00:17:33chat GPT, arguing with fucking Opus, like literally a group chat.
00:17:38Jared, pull up that New York post article that I sent you.
00:17:41Stressed Gen Z is carrying around anxiety bags with tools to calm their nerves.
00:17:46Uh, Hannah Fowles was spiraling.
00:17:48It'd been a grueling day at work and by the time the 22 year old from Provo, Utah got home,
00:17:52panic was bubbling in her chest and thoughts raced as her cheeks flushed red.
00:17:55I was starting to get super overheated.
00:17:57I couldn't calm myself down, Fowles told the post.
00:17:59Nothing that I normally do like breathing exercises or lying down in a dark room is working.
00:18:04Then she saw the bag.
00:18:05Jesus Christ.
00:18:08Just weeks earlier, Fowles and her therapist had put together a small grab and go kit filled
00:18:12with items to calm her when anxiety strikes.
00:18:15Then she flicked on a small portable fan, letting the cool air wash over her face.
00:18:19Pressed a cold pack to the back of her neck while on the other hand, she gripped a spiky
00:18:22fidget toy, feeling it's prongs sticking to her palm as the panic began to web.
00:18:26Now I know what you want to do.
00:18:27What you want to do is make fun of these people for having, look how it's an EDC bug out bag
00:18:33that like military guys have, but for Gen Z, Gen Z people, what I want to know, what I
00:18:39want to know is what would be in your anxiety bag?
00:18:42Well, I actually have one of those bags.
00:18:45It's called a bag of drugs, Chris, thank you for asking me.
00:18:50Uh, yeah, just, uh, five grams of whole leaf kratom.
00:18:53We got kratom.
00:18:54We've got some amphetamines in there.
00:18:56We've got new tonics.
00:18:57We've got valiums, anxiety or just, oh, no, I'm just addicted to drugs.
00:19:05This is, this is, uh, what was the question?
00:19:08I don't think you should make fun of people like this though, because it's not really their
00:19:10fault that they're being sort of conditioned to have this obsession with mental health.
00:19:18That's my theory.
00:19:19That's exactly what I said.
00:19:20Like you take DEI.
00:19:21DEI starts from a good place.
00:19:22Hey, we should include more people.
00:19:23We should be more equitable.
00:19:24Everyone should get a fair opportunity to shot, but then these movements can get hijacked and
00:19:29the movements can get hijacked and stretched and to the point where it doesn't really resemble
00:19:33where it started.
00:19:34You guys see this thing with the Canadian politician who was using the LGBTQ acronym, but it was
00:19:39like 14 letters long.
00:19:41It's what is it?
00:19:42Murdered and missing women and children, indigenous women and children, MM, did you see this?
00:19:48It's a full sentence long.
00:19:51She's giving a press conference and she stands there and she just, with a straight face says,
00:19:56she wants to express her like, you know, condolences or whatever to the MMIWG2SL, there's a number
00:20:02in there, 2SLGBTQQIA+ and she just says that with a straight face.
00:20:08And then people were like, what the hell was all that?
00:20:11And it's like, includes like murder victims, murderers, missing women and children, indigenous
00:20:16people, like two-spirit, the two is for two-spirit, which is like, yeah, like A is in there, which
00:20:24is asexual.
00:20:25So here it is.
00:20:26Holy shit.
00:20:27That's long.
00:20:28Was released.
00:20:29I was shocked to find out that prime minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between indigenous
00:20:35services Canada and crown indigenous relations.
00:20:39They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+.
00:20:48That's impressive.
00:20:49That was honestly great.
00:20:51She runs it back.
00:20:53Indigenous women across this country, indigenous women, girls, 2SLGBTQIA+.
00:21:01It's fucking wild.
00:21:02She's not reading off anything.
00:21:03No.
00:21:04She's off the dome.
00:21:05No, that's Eminem.
00:21:06She's like, she's like the fucking Harry Mack of coming up with acronyms.
00:21:11You know that dude?
00:21:12He's like, shout out three words and it's like umbrellas, steaks, shoes, and he like freestyle
00:21:17raps and entire thing about it.
00:21:19The Jay Z.
00:21:20And they're serious about this too.
00:21:21That's not even a joke.
00:21:22That's what's insane.
00:21:23It's not SNL.
00:21:24On your mental health point, if this is why this, it's, but I think what ends up happening
00:21:30is you end up with these swings.
00:21:32You can then have a swing so far the other way where it's like, I mean, everybody's known
00:21:36somebody's taken their own life, right?
00:21:38Like it's that side of things is like serious.
00:21:40The problem with a lot of these things is you get to like a lot of the root of human experiences,
00:21:44which is like, ironically, a little bit of that, but so much of it is around the language
00:21:48that we use and within mental health, you bundled up so much that you bundled up 7 billion individuals
00:21:55and it's become such a black and white term.
00:21:58Whereas I always use the example like diabetes is quite an interesting one, right?
00:22:01Because you have type one diabetes, which is a genuine medical condition that somebody's
00:22:07had from birth.
00:22:09And then you have type two diabetes, which is a little bit more, it's a lot more your
00:22:14choice in your environment.
00:22:15And it feels like you don't have that kind of nuance around that.
00:22:17I'm going to try and just speed run my diabetes.
00:22:19This is getting better by the way.
00:22:21Yeah.
00:22:22Actually.
00:22:23It's getting better.
00:22:24Try it again.
00:22:25Coke on the nuts?
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00:23:43You do have some of these language hacks that exist.
00:23:45I always joke that cybersecurity, nobody takes it serious as an industry because the naming's
00:23:51just awful.
00:23:53And the biggest thing the cybersecurity industry could do is no new technology if they just
00:23:57branded it as CTIs, like taking it from STIs, like computer-transmitted infections.
00:24:01All of a sudden, I'm like, I feel a little bit more dirty about it.
00:24:04And likewise, the homeless problem right now, how many people who are homeless, is that the
00:24:10main cause?
00:24:11It's often, it'll be ironically some serious mental health issue that's going on.
00:24:14Oh, yeah.
00:24:15So like the language that we use...
00:24:16You spend a lot of time interviewing people.
00:24:17I've interviewed so many homeless people.
00:24:18Dude, half of them want to be homeless, and to be quite frank, I don't really blame them.
00:24:22If you want to go live in the woods, as long as you're not...
00:24:26Why would somebody want to be homeless?
00:24:28Because they're not being tethered to this system that we're all living within that is
00:24:32currently kind of going down the drain.
00:24:34I mean, I don't really blame them.
00:24:35That thing that we just pulled up, though, is exactly why people aren't taking mental
00:24:39health seriously anymore, though, because there's a fucking, in that, what's it called, the DSVM
00:24:433 or whatever.
00:24:45There's a disease for everything, you know, like, for example, when I was growing up, I
00:24:51got diagnosed all sorts of shit, but really, I was just a little asshole, and when you start
00:24:57saying I got ADHD, or I'm bipolar, or I got borderline, or you got this or that or whatever,
00:25:01you know, I got a crutch I can lean on for every single fucking shitty thing I do to somebody,
00:25:07which is awesome.
00:25:08There's a great line that someone said to me, which was mental health is both under-diagnosed
00:25:14and over-diagnosed.
00:25:15There's people who don't have it that just live through it and don't know, and people
00:25:20who don't have it that make it their entire personality.
00:25:22All the people that actually have serious mental health problems that I'm at least friends
00:25:27with are mostly undiagnosed, and they're just kind of, you know, wandering through life.
00:25:33Trying to make do.
00:25:34Yeah, dude.
00:25:35Seriously.
00:25:36I agree with you, and I think it's easy to be like callous or whatever, like flipping
00:25:40about these, the people that have been diagnosed or self-diagnosed or found this sort of mental
00:25:45health become more fragile.
00:25:47They don't want to be fucked.
00:25:48Like they don't want to be that fragile, they're just trying to hold on to some sense of certainty,
00:25:52and the certainty has now come from their diagnosis rather than their agency.
00:25:57Like they just can't make that thing happen.
00:25:59And in a world that seems to pedestalize, I mean, there's even a trend on Instagram of
00:26:05people having their mental health maladies in their bio.
00:26:09Like chicks do like Jesus in bio, or pronouns.
00:26:14These are my maladies, because that's where they're trying to find some sense of identity.
00:26:19And I don't think they want that, it fucking sucks for those people.
00:26:22That's because, like I was saying, the same reason homeless people are like, yeah, I'm
00:26:26checked out of this thing.
00:26:27It's because they don't fit into this system really, because the system's just not working.
00:26:32You know, and I'm using this system just as like a generality, because it is so massive.
00:26:40But when you have people that are like not fitting into it, they want to find a community
00:26:46within the other people that are all locked up in the head, you know, I mean, it's the
00:26:51same reason why drug addicts all hang out together.
00:26:53And I think drug addiction is another thing that's misdiagnosed.
00:26:58Like I guess I didn't say that well.
00:27:06People that are drug addicts, which can I think pretty much happen to anybody, certain people
00:27:11are probably more predisposed to it.
00:27:13But people that are drug addicts get misdiagnosed as having some sort of mental health problem.
00:27:19But really, they're just on drugs and then off of drugs.
00:27:22They're withdrawing, then they're high again.
00:27:24Like when you kicked off your video guy.
00:27:26Yeah, so the first thing I want to bring to the table for today is kratom.
00:27:32Kratom is something I've been looking into because there's a, I think, sort of an epidemic
00:27:37happening.
00:27:38And there's a video we got here that I can have pulled up.
00:27:43This is the guy I'm working with who I wigged out on the other day because he didn't buy
00:27:46me $10 of kratom and I quit the doc because of that.
00:27:50Yeah, this stuff's strong.
00:27:52So what he's talking about for to contextualize all this is 7OH is 7-hydroxymitrogen, which
00:27:59is one of the, I guess, we could just call it a chemical, I don't know the science behind
00:28:06it.
00:28:07We're going to go actually interview a chemist about this stuff.
00:28:09But basically, people are taking kratom, which is sold over the counter at gas stations and
00:28:15head shops and there's even kratom shops.
00:28:17But it is a leaf that's from Southeast Asia that sort of mimics the effects of certain
00:28:26stimulants but also opioids, it acts on your opioid receptors and SSRIs.
00:28:30And I think I know a handful of people that have gotten very addicted to it.
00:28:35And they're saying that it is the withdrawal is worse than heroin, which is pretty unbelievable
00:28:43given that heroin withdrawal is horrendous.
00:28:45And that's it there?
00:28:46Yeah, man.
00:28:47I should have brought some for everybody.
00:28:49But you're just drinking that.
00:28:51Yeah, this is a lower dose than I was drinking.
00:28:53You're telling me it's like worse than heroin but you're just...
00:28:56So here's the thing, though.
00:28:57So there's a difference between, and I'm still in the process of figuring all this out.
00:29:01Literally.
00:29:02Literally.
00:29:03Yeah.
00:29:04So I was drinking a bunch of this stuff every day for the past month.
00:29:07And then I sort of wigged out on my documentary partner.
00:29:12Because yeah, it'll be in the doc, but there's, we're at a head shop.
00:29:18And I was like, hey, dude, let's get some of this kratom, I want to test this stuff out.
00:29:20And there's these things, there's 7OH pills, which is, it's like almost like Percocet basically,
00:29:26and it's sold over the counter, which is nuts.
00:29:28I mean, I'm not bashing it necessarily, but it's interesting.
00:29:33It's sort of the Wild West of this drug.
00:29:35And it's not it's not like it's a new thing.
00:29:36They tried banning this in 2016.
00:29:38The reason I'm bringing it up is because we're doing this documentary.
00:29:40And I think that we're on the verge of potentially an epidemic with it.
00:29:46Yeah.
00:29:47This has been, I've seen this in Austin since I basically got here.
00:29:50So there's a few small glass vials, you know, like a five hour energy.
00:29:55And there was a company that was making them.
00:29:57And one of my friends had another guy who'd been addicted, he'd had whatever the addiction
00:30:01gene is, addicted to every different drug throughout his entire life.
00:30:04There's even YouTube channels of these people and they'll say, which drug fucked my life
00:30:08up the most?
00:30:09And they'll just list every drug because they tried everything.
00:30:11They're like, well, coming off LSD was actually not that bad.
00:30:13I had this period where I was on MDMA every single day for like two months.
00:30:17And that was really, really rough because my serotonin and da, da, da, da, da, da.
00:30:20And he said of all of the things that he tried, the hardest to get off of was kratom.
00:30:27And then he knew so much at six in the morning, the sunrise mini mart on whatever fucking South
00:30:33Lamar street or something.
00:30:35He was outside, like waiting, waiting for this.
00:30:39And then this company had taken the, uh, the kratom content without changing the bottling
00:30:44from five grams of whole leaf to two and a half.
00:30:46And he knew, and as soon as he had it, he was like, my fucking kratom has been stepped
00:30:50on.
00:30:51He felt like from the mini mart, the sunrise mini mart had stepped on his or whatever the
00:30:56company that was making this because these people aren't treating it like a supplement
00:31:00that it's so psychoactive.
00:31:02And the one thing I guess I didn't explain very well is that there's a difference between
00:31:07like the pure kratom leaf powder and the stuff that has the seven Oh H in it, which is the
00:31:11synthesized version.
00:31:12But, and the reason I didn't explain that very well is because it's kind of confusing, but
00:31:17kratom leaf itself, I mean, you can still get addicted to it, but the seven Oh H stuff is
00:31:21what's fucking people up for reference just cause I know some somebody that's addicted
00:31:25to kratom is going to watch this and be like that son of a bitch blast themed, uh, my kratom.
00:31:31So that is, uh, but the seven Oh H is the really gnarly stuff.
00:31:34Yeah.
00:31:35And I'm going to get some of those pills and start taking them, but yeah, drinking kratom
00:31:38extract with the seven Oh H and is basically drinking.
00:31:41Liquid heroin.
00:31:42What does it feel like?
00:31:43It's very interesting.
00:31:45It's very sneaky.
00:31:46So I was drinking it for a month before I really realized how high it was on it.
00:31:49Have you done heroin?
00:31:50Oh yeah.
00:31:51I'm from Ohio, dude.
00:31:52So, um, how, how do they, how do they compare like seven Oh eight or I O N if you was, if
00:32:02you was personifying them as people, like what, how do they, how do they compare?
00:32:05So if it was a party kratom to heroin, well, I mean, I haven't done high levels of the seven
00:32:11Oh eight stuff yet, but comparatively the, the kratom drinks I've been drinking are called
00:32:17club 13, 150 MIT MIT, which is metragynine.
00:32:22That's the drug, I guess.
00:32:24And I was drinking two of those a day, which just turns out it's a lot for that, but there's
00:32:29not a lot of seven Oh H in it from what I understand how it works.
00:32:32So I don't have the full scope yet.
00:32:35For you.
00:32:36But I would say that heroin is, you know, you're, you're you, you, you get really high.
00:32:40You feel great.
00:32:41You get that warm feeling and you're something you've taken painkillers before, right?
00:32:44No, not really.
00:32:45No.
00:32:46Okay.
00:32:47Well, good on you, dude.
00:32:48Yeah.
00:32:49You're better than me.
00:32:50Yeah.
00:32:51No, no, no, no.
00:32:52Don't be in that way.
00:32:53Top of the morning.
00:32:54Are you conscious of the experience as you're doing it?
00:32:55Yeah.
00:32:56You know, you're high.
00:32:57So I guess the primary difference would be that when you, when you take kratom or when I have
00:32:59been, I've been, I just didn't even realize how high it was on this stuff.
00:33:04Like I was kind of just in a daze, but you get sort of that euphoric feeling.
00:33:08And I will say that in, in low doses of it, it's sort of more of a stimulant and then you
00:33:14take more and you're getting more of an opioid, you know, the painkiller sedative, isn't that
00:33:20interesting that the curve, how much you take almost invert, it's a nuanced drug.
00:33:25And I've never really experienced that before, which was one of the things that I was going
00:33:29to say that's, it's sort of sneaky, but the other thing is, and maybe this is just me.
00:33:34But I didn't really grasp that I was high as hell on this stuff.
00:33:40And I was going in sort of thought loops about things.
00:33:44Like we had to get like a video done, right?
00:33:46And I was just sort of pacing around my house, which I pace a lot already when I think around
00:33:50on the phone, but I was just sort of going in these thought loops where I was repeating
00:33:54myself, like kind of even talking to myself.
00:33:56I was losing it a little bit.
00:33:58And, and I didn't realize that this was, this drug was that strong because it's sold over
00:34:02the counter and that's already, I already knew from a number of other people who have gotten
00:34:08addicted to it.
00:34:09Cause I did some, you know, I put some feelers out there to talk to people.
00:34:11They already told me like, Hey, be careful.
00:34:13You're going to, it's going to sneak up on you more so than you think.
00:34:16Are you scared as somebody who's pretty experienced with drugs?
00:34:20Are you scared of the potential of putting yourself into this particular, you're going
00:34:24to try this 7OH thing and it's going to be amazing for the doc and it's going to teach
00:34:27you a lot.
00:34:28And you're going to be able to empathize with the people that are struggling with this, but
00:34:31you are putting your health and life on the line.
00:34:34I'm aware you've done it in other ways a lot, but like this, I know it feels like a pretty
00:34:38big dice roll to do that.
00:34:40Is that something that you consider?
00:34:41No, I'm not really worried about it.
00:34:43I mean, what's going to happen?
00:34:44I'm going to have to just, yeah, I'm going to go to Thailand and see where this stuff
00:34:50comes from though.
00:34:51Okay.
00:34:52Get the real, Jesus Christ, you're going to the, it's like going to Mordor and deciding
00:34:55to fucking stare into the eye of Mount Doom or whatever it is.
00:34:57I'll have the Kratum shot in my hand as I'm looking into the eye of Mordor.
00:35:01I've done it once.
00:35:02I've done it once as well.
00:35:03When we was in Vegas.
00:35:05Did you get energy from it?
00:35:06Well, my initial onboarding to Kratum when he was doing the David Goggins podcast, ironically.
00:35:10What were you doing with Kratum and David Goggins?
00:35:13Hey, why didn't we vlog that?
00:35:15I was like, who's a pull-ups pussy?
00:35:17So for context, I, at the time, like this is how things change with time.
00:35:21That was the week that we did mushrooms.
00:35:22Yeah, and Kratum was seen as, um, um, like a supplement, like it was seen as a nootropic
00:35:27at the time.
00:35:28That was how it was advertised to me.
00:35:29It wasn't looking at like a drug.
00:35:30I thought it was going to be a study.
00:35:31I thought I could take it and I could work more.
00:35:32And I remember like going, this is shit.
00:35:34But then I realized I had no more problems.
00:35:37I was like on it.
00:35:38I've got no problems at all.
00:35:39They go, why do I always think I have problems?
00:35:40I actually have no problems.
00:35:42Because you're high, George.
00:35:43And then I wanted to get, and then I wanted to get some next time.
00:35:47Welcome to my world, buddy.
00:35:48No problem.
00:35:49Why do you think I've got so few problems?
00:35:51It's weird how you go from no problems and then when it wears out, you've got so many
00:35:53problems.
00:35:54Yeah.
00:35:55Then you're snapping at your producer and you're like, Hey, fuck you.
00:35:57I quit.
00:35:58Was it $10 at Kratum, which is crazy embarrassing.
00:36:01Well, I mean, when did you do it?
00:36:03Uh, so I tried Feel Free, which is like this really, really popular company.
00:36:07That's for the record.
00:36:09That's one of the companies that's being sort of put under the microscope is the head.
00:36:13This is the not good, but then not using the 7oh, right?
00:36:16That's just whole leaf.
00:36:17I got to look at that.
00:36:18You know, I'm pretty sure.
00:36:19Yeah, pull it up.
00:36:20It's like the, this is whole leaf stuff.
00:36:22Anyway.
00:36:23Um, I, this is forever ago.
00:36:24This is when I was living in the Airbnb on South Congress when I first moved here and
00:36:28everyone's doing it.
00:36:29Everyone's it's, it's literally the in-school mom, but everyone's doing it.
00:36:33And so I'm like, Oh well, fucking everyone's doing it.
00:36:34And I was like, okay, I'm going to try this in the house.
00:36:37I'm gonna try half a bottle.
00:36:38I don't know.
00:36:39I can't remember whether it was five grams, two grams, whatever, tried it.
00:36:42And it just made me really anxious, anxious and a little sick for like an hour and a half.
00:36:49I watched some Peaky Blinders and I was like, that's not for me.
00:36:51And you just drank one bottle of it?
00:36:53Half a bottle.
00:36:54And I was like, that's not for me.
00:36:55So a lot of people get to feel sick to their stomach after they drink it and throw up and
00:36:58stuff like that.
00:36:59It didn't, it didn't make me feel good.
00:37:00Me and Z did it again when we went to go and see a band, but we didn't realize you are not
00:37:05supposed to drink alcohol on it.
00:37:07Yeah.
00:37:08It'll make you blackout.
00:37:09Also feel free has cava in it too.
00:37:10Correct.
00:37:11But it's only in a little, it might be concentrated.
00:37:14Anyway.
00:37:15So I, I, I tried it.
00:37:16Didn't agree with me.
00:37:17There's some things where I think, um, I get quite bad hangover.
00:37:20I've always got bad hangovers, but they've gotten worse as I've got older.
00:37:25What you've got, if you were someone who doesn't get hangover, Sonny Webster, Olympic weightlifter.
00:37:29I remember we once partied till four in the morning, 4.30 in the morning, and he'd set
00:37:33off to drive from Newcastle to Edinburgh, 8.00 AM to go and do a seminar that started at 10.30.
00:37:38He'd had four hours of sleep, drank more than me and was just up and doing things for the
00:37:44whole morning and then went and gave an entire seminar and was just fine.
00:37:47I needed to stay in bed the whole day.
00:37:49There's some people for whom the cost versus the benefit, the fucking ratio is just super
00:37:56skewed.
00:37:57They're like, again, they're like the Goggin, they're the Bonnie Blue of being able to drink
00:37:59and keep going.
00:38:00Dude, don't ever use Bonnie Blue as a reference point.
00:38:05You're very much the Virgin Mary of that.
00:38:07I am.
00:38:08I am very much.
00:38:09Yeah.
00:38:10I'm the Lily Phillips.
00:38:11I can't take as many.
00:38:12If that was like, if it was not so painful for me, the cost benefit analysis of drinking
00:38:18would be completely different.
00:38:19But we did, both me and you have done a Intel X DNA, which by the way, this is the fucking
00:38:24sickest shit.
00:38:26Intel X DNA, company that's based here in Austin, but you can do it anywhere in the US, you spit
00:38:30into a tube, not affiliated, I just think they're fucking sick.
00:38:33Spit into a tube, send it off, they'll give you your full allele genetic profile and they'll
00:38:38compare you to the population.
00:38:40Yeah, you clear caffeine more slowly.
00:38:44You have a protective gene that's good for late onset Parkinson's.
00:38:48You have one which can be a risk for autism or for this or for that or for the other.
00:38:54And loads of behavioral stuff like this has been associated with people who have addictive
00:38:59personalities.
00:39:00So I have the ComT gene, which is I clear dopamine more slowly.
00:39:06That means that I don't deal with chaos and stress particularly well, but once I start
00:39:10doing something, I get completely fucking obsessed and I lock in and I can't stop.
00:39:14It's like literally one of the descriptions was may struggle to stop tasks once started.
00:39:19It's like just the gene of an obsessive person.
00:39:21That sounds pretty cool.
00:39:22What's sick is once you do it, it's like three grand or something.
00:39:24Maybe three grand?
00:39:25Round about that.
00:39:26It's expensive, but it's worth it.
00:39:27It's not cheap, but it's like, they're never going to change.
00:39:30This is, my genes are my genes.
00:39:31I always wonder with this, did you learn things you didn't already know about yourself?
00:39:35Yes.
00:39:36Yes.
00:39:37And I'm like, no, like, yeah, I don't handle this well, but I am able to obsess over tough
00:39:42tasks.
00:39:43So I'll give you, so the way I view these intellect stuff, and it's like very early days and they're
00:39:47only going to get better and better, is have you heard about the Air Force study in the
00:39:521950s where they took like 600 Air Force pilots who were already male, certain height, certain
00:39:58build, and they tried to build like the average cockpit for all of them.
00:40:02So they tried to make the perfect cockpit by aggregating all of the proportions of the
00:40:07pilots.
00:40:08And when they went to test this perfect cockpit that they built, it fit zero because essentially
00:40:13averages are completely bullshit.
00:40:15No one is average.
00:40:17Only only, I think, so it was 12 things that they measured and only, only three of them
00:40:22hit 3%.
00:40:23So you can see it here.
00:40:24And even that 3%, it's with a wide range.
00:40:26So the 3% that hit the range, for example, it would be between five, nine and six foot,
00:40:30like that level of range.
00:40:32So then they realized, obviously it's so obvious now, but it's way better to just build a customizer
00:40:37able cockpit.
00:40:38And I think we'll look back at everything, like how we've grown up around the way people
00:40:43talk about studies and magnesium and vitamin D and vitamin C is just absolute horseshit.
00:40:49Because what Gary should take is very different to what I should take and likewise with Chris.
00:40:53So to give you some concrete examples, one, I found out I was in the bottom 10% of magnesium
00:41:00absorption for my genetics.
00:41:01So I was like, oh, I've got to take way more than if I was to ask anything.
00:41:06I have a specific gene that I found, which was if I take, if I have surgery and they
00:41:12give me morphine, I'm very unlikely to wake up with a regular dose, it will probably kill
00:41:16me.
00:41:17So I've got to let doctors know that beforehand.
00:41:18I'm like, oh, that's already paid for the test.
00:41:20And then everything should be on top of that.
00:41:23Yeah.
00:41:24Sleeping great.
00:41:25So yeah, the specifics that you do learn is actually pretty fascinating because then everything
00:41:31gets built on top of that.
00:41:34Let me give you this, the thing that it did for me, I didn't learn a tremendous amount
00:41:38that I didn't already know through experience, but it made all of my preferences feel way
00:41:41more legitimate.
00:41:42Right.
00:41:43Give you permission.
00:41:44Yeah.
00:41:45Because I'm like, oh, this is why I like deep house music because it's quite calming.
00:41:47So one of the coolest things, both of us did it, put it into your LLM, put all of your labs
00:41:51in as well.
00:41:52And it gives a different context.
00:41:53The coolest thing that I did kind of useless, but again, made me feel more legitimate with
00:41:57my life direction.
00:41:58It was like, um, I've just done it again now to my chat GPT project.
00:42:02Given that you know nothing about me, erase all of the information that you have exclusively
00:42:06based on my DNA genetic test.
00:42:08What sort of a person am I?
00:42:10And it comes back and it is fucking banger.
00:42:13Your baseline personality, high drive, high stress operator, your dopamine and stress genetics,
00:42:17comTAA, DBH, SLC.
00:42:20High baseline dopamine and adrenal tone, faster mental processing, strong pattern recognition,
00:42:24but low margin for stress before overload.
00:42:26You become productive, intense, goal oriented, slightly on edge most of the time, but also
00:42:30prone to overthinking, easily tipped into anxiety and to sustain pressure, sensitive to uncertainty
00:42:34and social evaluation.
00:42:36This is not calm, content temperament.
00:42:38It is a perform or perish nervous system.
00:42:41And it just runs that for everything.
00:42:43Motivation pattern.
00:42:44I need to do off and on.
00:42:45I can't do constant low level stress.
00:42:47And I was like, I already knew this, right?
00:42:49Because you learn things about yourself.
00:42:52Both of us have zeroed in on doing meditation.
00:42:55Both of us have zeroed in on relatively early nights, even though both of us have been in
00:42:58previous industries that were way different and I'm like, I kind of, club promotion should
00:43:02be fun.
00:43:03Like I should be in a chaotic environment.
00:43:05I should be in a highly unpredictable environment, but I didn't end up there.
00:43:08And I always felt a little bit off and as I've zeroed in more and more.
00:43:11So what it did was I think, especially for people that are maybe looking for more justification
00:43:18about why they're in the lonely chapter, they're struggling to get through and they're like,
00:43:21fuck, like why don't I fit in?
00:43:22Is there something wrong with me?
00:43:23Not at all.
00:43:24Like this is just your predisposition.
00:43:26Now the problem that you can have, and it's kind of cool that this isn't as widespread
00:43:32as it might be.
00:43:33Exactly the same as once you have a name for it, you're going to live by it.
00:43:38This could very much become destiny.
00:43:39Right.
00:43:40Both ways.
00:43:41Yeah, exactly.
00:43:42I'm way less intrigued in that kind of cold reading description.
00:43:45I'm way more interested in like, it's like, Oh, you know, it could have been like Virgo
00:43:50says this, right?
00:43:52But what I'm fascinated by is, so what's the strange thing.
00:43:55People have always said, I'm very, very similar to my granddad.
00:43:57We have like similar hair.
00:43:58I like sometimes find myself like closing my eyes during meals.
00:44:02And he did that.
00:44:03Like it was weird things.
00:44:04You did that your birthday on Monday.
00:44:05And I did.
00:44:07And I then, I then put in the thing I got, I asked the thing, I go, if I'm like trying
00:44:10to not die here, like what are my most likely causes of death?
00:44:13And they go, well, your two biggest health concerns are one, glaucoma.
00:44:16So you'll just kind of gradually go blind, which won't kill you.
00:44:19Or you'll die of a stroke.
00:44:20My granddad.
00:44:21Glaucoma?
00:44:22It's sick and you can have it interpreted by a clinician or whatever, but you can also
00:44:34just do it here.
00:44:35So I've just done the same thing.
00:44:36If I was likely to die, what am I most likely causes of death, cardiovascular disease, chronic
00:44:41stress mediated breakdown.
00:44:43Ooh, that's exciting.
00:44:45Neurovascular neurological issues because of high signaling, environmental toxin sensitivity.
00:44:48I just got popped by milk.
00:44:50They're going to clone you.
00:44:51Yeah, that's true.
00:44:52That is for God, they don't need that.
00:44:53See, I don't need a test like this to know how I'm going to die.
00:44:58You've got agency over that, my friend.
00:45:00You've got agency over that.
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00:46:09I need to bring up something that you said at dinner the other evening.
00:46:11Oh well.
00:46:12Did you say that you think that people remember every porn video that they've ever watched?
00:46:17No, it's a private dinner with people who'd paid to be there and you brought it up on
00:46:23the show.
00:46:24No, no, no.
00:46:26My thesis is like one big meta-criticism I have of the U.S. that nobody warned me about
00:46:32as a Brit is that the toilets in America, like I could be at like Dean's, like a very nice
00:46:41restaurant in Austin.
00:46:42I'll be having like an amazing chat about like Kierkegaard, and I think about like Kierkegaard
00:46:46versus Aristotle, and I'm like duh, duh, duh, sorry, let me just pop to the loo's.
00:46:49I'm going to kiss your face a bit.
00:46:50You go to the loo's and in America, the cubicles, you can see people's feet in them and the worst
00:46:57thing is there's like this slit in every single, and this is nationwide.
00:47:01You're in the women's.
00:47:02You can be in like a billionaire's like hotel and there's a slit there, which means they've
00:47:07unisex toilets.
00:47:08It's horrific.
00:47:09Like I don't even go in the unisex toilets for this reason.
00:47:12You can see people kind of just this carousel of them sat down squatting.
00:47:16And yeah, this whole idea that when you watch like graphic content, it stores in your brain
00:47:20forever.
00:47:21So I've just got thousands of men around Austin just like there, like these carousels.
00:47:24And then you went to the bathroom.
00:47:26And this is supposed to be the number one country in the world.
00:47:29And like this doesn't exist in Europe, this doesn't exist in the Middle East.
00:47:32You know what you could do?
00:47:33Do you remember those things like back in the day, the first cycling cylinders and you look
00:47:40through the slit and if you spin it, it makes a horse start to move.
00:47:43If you ran really quickly down a very long series of toilets, you're just looking at these
00:47:49different men like stages of pooping.
00:47:52It's horrific.
00:47:53Do you know how I know that I'm watching too many graphic videos is because when you said
00:47:57there's a horse that starts to move, I heard there's a whore that starts to move.
00:48:01That's not good, man.
00:48:05Every time like I speak to a Brit or European now about coming to America and they think
00:48:08like there's going to be this chat about the economy, I go, this is the thing that I've
00:48:10got to warn you about.
00:48:11It's so surreal.
00:48:13And I think about this a lot.
00:48:14Like you were talking about like life hacks, like how much of life comes down to compartmentalization,
00:48:20which is why somebody made a great point the other day.
00:48:22Why meditation apps often don't take off on phones because you have your meditation up
00:48:25there, but then you have your strip club, you have all this stuff there.
00:48:33And with these bathrooms, you don't have any compartmentalization.
00:48:37I always say, imagine a house.
00:48:39So my friend lives in an 80 story apartment building and we kind of sat there in his house.
00:48:43I go, if everything was glass right now, this would be, this would be horrific.
00:48:49But because you have compartmentalization, it has such an impact.
00:48:53Well, you know, your point is that you would be able to see one dude's taking a dump over
00:48:57there and another dude's banging his girlfriend, right?
00:48:59Yes.
00:49:00Yeah.
00:49:01Yeah.
00:49:02Literally just up there.
00:49:03But we've made these arbitrary walls around us.
00:49:04This is the edge of my safe place in the beginning of yours.
00:49:07I just like where we started.
00:49:08You were like, I have this thesis and then if you, what did we even talk about?
00:49:12If you were talking about, somebody said something about porn or, yeah, you brought up the graphics
00:49:16stuff in your brain.
00:49:17Genetics, porn.
00:49:18Right.
00:49:19Okay.
00:49:20Yeah.
00:49:21Question.
00:49:22How do you feel about feet?
00:49:23Not a fan.
00:49:24No?
00:49:25Gross me out.
00:49:26Not a fan.
00:49:27How do you feel about feet?
00:49:28Pretty much the same as Sean.
00:49:29How do you feel about feet?
00:49:30Feet neutral?
00:49:31Yeah.
00:49:32Okay.
00:49:33What are you talking about here?
00:49:34Okay.
00:49:35So there is a woman who does Uber Eats and has started including photos of her feet in
00:49:40the picture of the food drop-off and her tips have gone up by a ton.
00:49:47So this is-
00:49:48I'm not mad about it.
00:49:49I mean, as feet go-
00:49:50He said nice pedicure.
00:49:51They're perfectly fine feet.
00:49:52But did not realize that this would blow up fans.
00:49:54And this is the OnlyFans pipeline.
00:49:57Like as soon as you post something and start to get free money for it, you're like, well,
00:50:02if I put my cash app in here and if you scroll down a little bit more, she says, get a rotisserie
00:50:07chicken or a pedicure.
00:50:08First rotisserie chicken allowance.
00:50:09There we go.
00:50:10This is the fucking Uber Eats to OnlyFans pipeline that no one is talking about.
00:50:15Yeah.
00:50:16I mean, there's like an old joke about what's the, how long does it take for a, not a bottle
00:50:22source girl, a strip club waitress to become a stripper?
00:50:25Two weeks?
00:50:26What's that?
00:50:27You've never heard this?
00:50:28Like basically every, not every, but a lot of strip club bartenders or hosts, hostesses,
00:50:35they just ended up becoming strippers.
00:50:38And maybe that's just a niche thing that I know because of my vices.
00:50:42Punch hunt for strip clubs.
00:50:43Yeah.
00:50:44I guess.
00:50:45Dude, I used to have, you know this, I think I've told you this, I used to have this pickup
00:50:48line when I would go to strip clubs where I'd be like, Hey, you look just like my future
00:50:55ex-wife.
00:50:56And they'd be like, Oh, ha ha ha, cause they've heard that a thousand times.
00:50:59I'd be like, no, I'm just kidding.
00:51:00I'm like a horrible person.
00:51:01I've got a felony.
00:51:02I'm not allowed to see my son.
00:51:03So you don't want nothing to do with me.
00:51:04And just lean in every time.
00:51:07Wow.
00:51:08Isn't that the fucking craziest pickup line?
00:51:10Not really.
00:51:11I mean, American women have been conditioned since the fifties to be into like the bad boy.
00:51:16I mean, first of all, it was a two parter.
00:51:19So that already was sophistication.
00:51:21I was the old one too.
00:51:23Unbelievable.
00:51:24That's Gary's life hack by the way.
00:51:27Oh yeah.
00:51:28Yeah.
00:51:29He asked me for a life hack.
00:51:30That's what I came up with.
00:51:33What have you got some fucking notes at?
00:51:36I don't want to hear about that.
00:51:37Then tell me about your Claude project instructions.
00:51:41I want to know how to pick up a hooker.
00:51:43I know you want to do one now.
00:51:48Have you seen the subreddit male living spaces?
00:51:52Yes.
00:51:53It's funny.
00:51:54It's fucking brilliant.
00:51:55So this is a subreddit where guys post their bedrooms and their living spaces that they've
00:52:00sort of designed.
00:52:01It's sort of peak bachelor, like solo degen life.
00:52:09And the photos are just fucking absolutely spectacular.
00:52:12This one, this first one, this guy's got a lat pull down machine and a TV.
00:52:18The face.
00:52:19Patrick Bateman.
00:52:20Honestly, this looks, have you ever seen Mr. Beast's office, it looks exactly like this.
00:52:24He has a bedroom in the office with a bench press right next to it.
00:52:26Just like that.
00:52:27The one with the fucking stormtrooper stormtrooper.
00:52:31I love it.
00:52:32Yep.
00:52:33There's a U-shaped couch around just a huge TV.
00:52:37It's just, it's like literally you couldn't get in there without hitting the TV.
00:52:41It's not even hung on the wall.
00:52:42But look, the reason is because he's wanting to get a big couch, but he needs to get in
00:52:46the door.
00:52:47So the door won't open.
00:52:48He can't fit the couch and the TV in without not being able to open the door.
00:52:52That's the only way he could have.
00:52:53That's actually some fucking Marie Kondo shit.
00:52:59Transparent fucking blow up doll.
00:53:01This one's fucking great.
00:53:02It's an industrial container with a single deck chair in the middle.
00:53:05What's the camping chair pointing at?
00:53:07Wow.
00:53:08That's the living room.
00:53:09Yeah.
00:53:10Yeah, that is.
00:53:11That's the cuck chair for when I'm crushing shit.
00:53:13Go to the next one.
00:53:15This is you, Gary.
00:53:17It's a bedside table made out of just raw breeze blocks.
00:53:20Yeah.
00:53:21You know, when I was growing up, my dad actually had our old box TV on a set of cinder blocks
00:53:26for a period of time.
00:53:28The divorce hit him hard.
00:53:29It works as drawers too.
00:53:31Oh, it does work as drawers?
00:53:34Wow.
00:53:35It's a bottle of kratom in every picture.
00:53:39Is it a flat in London or a prison in Norway?
00:53:42Have you seen that?
00:53:43Was it not halls of residence?
00:53:44Oh my God.
00:53:45Was it not British halls of residence?
00:53:46I think it was a few different ones.
00:53:47I think it was Norway or halls of residence in the UK, I think was it.
00:53:51I know.
00:53:52Yeah.
00:53:53It's because the fucking quality of the prisons in some Scandi countries are unbelievable.
00:53:56Dude.
00:53:57Yeah.
00:53:58I've seen those.
00:53:59That pisses me the fuck off.
00:54:00What?
00:54:01The Norwegians are living in Norwegian criminals?
00:54:02The people in prison in Norway are doing much better than me.
00:54:06It really irritates me.
00:54:07I'm dead serious because like, you know, I've been known to commit a crime or two and if
00:54:11I get arrested and go to prison, I'm like, it just is.
00:54:17You got arrested here?
00:54:18Yeah, dude.
00:54:19I mean, part of me is like, man, maybe I should just go to Norway and like, get in a shootout
00:54:23or something.
00:54:24I don't know.
00:54:25Like that.
00:54:26You guys remember that movie?
00:54:27Heat?
00:54:28I haven't seen it.
00:54:29The Robert De Niro film?
00:54:32De Niro, Pacino, Val Kilmer.
00:54:36Yeah.
00:54:37I think Danny Trejo is even in it, but like the there's just that old, like, you know,
00:54:43every guy's like dream way they're going to go out as this basically robbing a bank and
00:54:47getting in a shootout.
00:54:48Or maybe that's just the people I hang out with.
00:54:50But are you familiar with this?
00:54:52No, no, no, no.
00:54:53Oh, okay.
00:54:54Are you the one I'm talking about?
00:54:55You ever seen those memes or those?
00:54:56Yeah.
00:54:57Yeah.
00:54:58That's the dream.
00:54:59Yeah.
00:55:00It's just like going out in a blaze of glory basically.
00:55:01And then, or like dying out in like the, you know, like that, that picture of a Gosseline
00:55:05bleeding out in the snow.
00:55:06Right.
00:55:07Like the dream, dream snow bleed out spot.
00:55:09Anyways, I just, uh, I'm like, man, I'd rather just do that.
00:55:13I'm just bored of these.
00:55:14It's like, it's like I go to Norway and I get into a, uh, uh, uh, some sort of criminal enterprise.
00:55:19What's the worst thing that happens to me.
00:55:20I get to live better than I'm living here.
00:55:24That's just where my mind goes, uh, you know, but.
00:55:27Work smarter, not harder.
00:55:28The inverse El Salvador.
00:55:29Yeah.
00:55:30Yeah.
00:55:31Yeah.
00:55:32Dude.
00:55:33Holy shit.
00:55:34The people that were being committed in El Salvador are probably dramatically worse than
00:55:38in Norway.
00:55:39You know, they were like chopping people up into pieces and stuff, but.
00:55:45Did you follow this, uh, citrine analyst number three story?
00:55:48Um, no.
00:55:49You didn't see this.
00:55:50Have you guys heard about this analyst number three?
00:55:52No.
00:55:53What's this?
00:55:54This is amazing.
00:55:55This is just like a guy doing a legendary thing.
00:55:58So the Strait of Hormuz is blocked and there's the war part of it, but then there's the financial
00:56:03part of it.
00:56:04The oil prices going up, down, the markets are swinging.
00:56:06And so there's this research firm called Citrine.
00:56:09They do like, they basically do research reports, sell them to hedge funds.
00:56:13And so the hedge fund guys want information.
00:56:15If they get better information than they're getting from the news or from the, you know,
00:56:18the newspaper the next day, that's worth, you know, millions and millions of dollars to them.
00:56:23So Citrine, they're trying to figure out what the hell's going on with this blockade.
00:56:26And so this guy has this idea, high agency story here for you.
00:56:30One of the guys in the office is like, what if I just go and they're like, what do you
00:56:33know?
00:56:34He's like, what if I just go to the, to the Strait and I'll just count the boats?
00:56:37Like, what do you mean?
00:56:38He's like, I'll just see like how many are going through.
00:56:40And we'll know if it's like, because basically there are people trying to figure out, is it
00:56:43blocked?
00:56:44Is it not blocked?
00:56:45And the gas, the crude oil prices were going parabolic and then they were crashing day over
00:56:48day.
00:56:49And so they had to figure out what was going on.
00:56:50So this guy basically, one of their analysts, they call him analyst number three, and he
00:56:54wrote this field blog.
00:56:55So just, I see this, it goes, and I read this and this sucked me into the story.
00:56:59He goes, the front desk informed me, there's two gentlemen from the CID downstairs to ask
00:57:03me questions.
00:57:04CID in the Gulf is like the CIA.
00:57:06I checked my phone in a safe, grabbed the burner because they had seen tweets about analyst
00:57:10number three.
00:57:11Thanks a lot, James.
00:57:12And then it says, I went downstairs in my pajamas and slippers.
00:57:14There's a piece of OPSEC you learn when you're an Arab speaker, if things is sticky, you only
00:57:19speak English because Arabic opens the door you don't want opened.
00:57:22The possibility that you're a spy, sympathizer, blah, blah, blah, basically play dumb.
00:57:25So I'll go downstairs and I say, hello guys, how are you?
00:57:27I speak English.
00:57:28The hotel receptionist, the same man I've been chatting with in Arabic all day turned to the
00:57:31agents and goes, this guy speaks perfect Arabic.
00:57:34So this guy blogged his entire thing.
00:57:37So he basically left the US, went to the Middle East.
00:57:41They show his briefcase of like what he took.
00:57:45It's pretty hilarious.
00:57:46So this is what he took for his field trip.
00:57:47His anxiety bite.
00:57:48He's got two sins.
00:57:50He brought cigars.
00:57:51He brought a pack of clothes and then he had a pair of meta recording glasses.
00:57:57And so he goes and this guy makes it all the way.
00:57:59So he, he gets to like Oman.
00:58:02He bribes a guy, they bring him in and they're like, he's crossing the thing.
00:58:05They're like, you're not trying to do any journalism or anything.
00:58:07Are you?
00:58:08He's like, journalism?
00:58:09No, I'm, I'm an adventure explorer.
00:58:10Are you crazy?
00:58:11And they're like, they check his bag.
00:58:12They don't notice that the Ray-Bans are the glasses one or the camera ones he gets through.
00:58:17He bribes this guy to take them on a mini, like a paddle boat to get into the strait.
00:58:22And he has footage of himself on the strait, smoking a cigar, watching like the oil, one
00:58:26of the oil tankers that got attacked and counting the other boats.
00:58:29And he realized that the, all the mainstream media was reporting that the strait was closed.
00:58:34He's like, dude, I'm here.
00:58:35I see them.
00:58:36I see them going through, but it's not fully closed.
00:58:39And they were figuring out what was going on.
00:58:40It turns out like actually the Iranians were checking, like, are you, if you're not US affiliated
00:58:45and you brought, you pay us a toll, we'll let you through.
00:58:48And that's why like, there hadn't been this huge oil shock because actually the tankers
00:58:51were getting through, but nobody knew.
00:58:53Everybody was using these, like the tracking data from the boats, but he's like, some of
00:58:57the boats aren't going to be tracked.
00:58:58And they're just like, Hey, Hey, watch this.
00:59:01There's turn it off.
00:59:02Like, we don't want to be tracked.
00:59:03They don't want us saying that we're going through.
00:59:04So no problem.
00:59:05Turn that shit off.
00:59:06And they would go through.
00:59:07And so this is this epic story of this guy who made it back.
00:59:09He got thrown in.
00:59:10He got like thrown in jail for a couple of days and he like got out and uh, you know,
00:59:14because of the CIA.
00:59:15No, he's just part of a research firm in New York.
00:59:17He got caught because they held him and they were like, we're going to check you out.
00:59:22And then they couldn't find anything.
00:59:23The CID is the Middle Eastern equivalent of the CIA.
00:59:26Oh, okay.
00:59:27Gotcha.
00:59:28Actually that bag is the male equivalent of an anxiety bag.
00:59:31Yeah.
00:59:32That's what it is.
00:59:33A full pack of Cubans, two Zins and a pair of pants.
00:59:37Don't trust.
00:59:38Verify.
00:59:39Well, that is basically someone using dark tourism to benefit from a capitalist way similar
00:59:46to Lord Miles.
00:59:47Do you see that Lord Miles got called out by Coffeezilla?
00:59:50No, no, no.
00:59:51Wow.
00:59:52So Lord Miles has done some kind of rug poll that's to do with him and Polymarket that he
00:59:56was going to do a 40 day fast and that he bet just before he got picked up by the police,
01:00:06the local police of wherever he was, someone had put a huge position that he was going to
01:00:10lose.
01:00:11And it turns out if you trace that wallet back, it's somebody that knows him.
01:00:14And then he thinks that he put the bet on and then got the police to go and it was like a
01:00:17fucking mess.
01:00:18But anyway, that guy might as well be Lord Miles.
01:00:20Well, speaking of the Gulf CIA, I got a story about a time I accidentally did a CIA field
01:00:28strategy so to speak, if you guys want to hear it.
01:00:31When I was in college in Santa Barbara, my buddy and I were absolutely hammered, just
01:00:37wasted out of our minds.
01:00:38And we had just run from a cab and some other shenanigans had occurred.
01:00:42And we got back to my apartment, which was on the second floor of the spot, but it was
01:00:49on a hill.
01:00:50So it out the window was like a huge, it was, it was like probably 60 yards to a pavement
01:00:59to a parking lot behind a chase bank.
01:01:01And we were hammered.
01:01:02And we're at this place, the electricity had gone out.
01:01:04So all the food in the fridge was bad and it smelled like shit.
01:01:07So we just started throwing it all out the window because we thought it was funny.
01:01:09And then we started throwing bottles out the window and then like some furniture and stuff.
01:01:14And somebody, somebody called the police and we're sitting there, we're all fucked up and
01:01:19we just hear do, do, do, do Santa Barbara police open up and we're like, oh fuck dude, we, the
01:01:25cops.
01:01:26And he looks at me and he's like, dude, get naked.
01:01:28And I was like, what?
01:01:29He was like, trust me.
01:01:30And I was like, all right.
01:01:31So we get butt naked and I'm like, oh, we're definitely going to fucking jail.
01:01:35So I, I immediately went to the bathroom because taking a shit in jail sucks.
01:01:38So I was like, I'm going to go force out a turd.
01:01:40Wow.
01:01:41So I went to the bathroom and all I hear is this like thump noise.
01:01:45And then I hear the door open.
01:01:47I hear a creak and, and it's just a cop.
01:01:50And he goes, what the fuck?
01:01:53What are you doing?
01:01:54And I hear, I hear like feets stumble around and then I hear my buddy go, sorry, officer.
01:01:59I must've forgotten my pants.
01:02:02And the cops are like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:02:05And they're like, put some fucking clothes on.
01:02:07So the cops come grab me and uh, naked and they realize, well, they thought they realized
01:02:12that we were two gay dudes in an argument.
01:02:15So we faked a homosexual domestic violence situation.
01:02:18And they were like, they were like, oh shit, these are two gay dudes.
01:02:23And uh, yeah.
01:02:25So they just ended up making us go clean it up.
01:02:27Cause they felt, they felt bad because they thought that, well, and my buddy was a lot
01:02:32bigger than me too.
01:02:33So now I'm realizing, telling this story that they probably thought I was just getting beat
01:02:36up by this guy.
01:02:37But anyways, um, so years later, uh, I've told this story a couple of times before to people
01:02:42and you know, it's funny.
01:02:43Haha.
01:02:44But years later, I find out from this guy, Jack Karaku, CIA dude, that this is like an
01:02:50old CIA strategy that they employ all the time.
01:02:54I didn't even know, play the, play the video here.
01:02:57Hey quarter says, we want you to pretend that you're gay.
01:02:59I said, oh, come on.
01:03:01We really need the information.
01:03:02You got to pretend that you're gay.
01:03:03I said, okay, I'll do it.
01:03:04I'll do it for uncle.
01:03:05So I called and I said, Hey, I have two tickets to this show and I was hoping maybe you'd be
01:03:11free.
01:03:12Maybe we'll grab some sushi afterwards.
01:03:13You said?
01:03:14Yeah, I'd love to.
01:03:15So we go to the show.
01:03:16He thoroughly enjoyed it.
01:03:17And we go for sushi afterwards.
01:03:18And we go out again.
01:03:19And he says, why don't you go over to my place some night and I'll make dinner.
01:03:21I said, great.
01:03:22So I go over to this place.
01:03:23He made a lovely dinner.
01:03:24And then I thought, well, I have to invite him to my place.
01:03:25So I told my wife, you're going to have to like get out.
01:03:28So Sheila, I made dinner.
01:03:29I removed all the pictures of us together and we had just gotten married.
01:03:32So we had like our wedding picture up and everything.
01:03:34And at the dinner, he leaned in to kiss me and I instinctively backed off and he said,
01:03:38Oh my God, I'm sorry.
01:03:39I thought you're gay.
01:03:40And I said, Oh no, I am gay.
01:03:42I'm not into hairy guys.
01:03:44And he's like, Oh, okay.
01:03:45I said, I'm sorry.
01:03:46I think you're great.
01:03:47But I'm not feeling it because no.
01:03:51And I think there's another, there's, I don't remember if it was him, but there was another
01:03:54person who used an example of faking.
01:03:57They were gay to like get out of trouble, but yeah, just that's another life hack for you.
01:04:02Just get naked.
01:04:03Yeah.
01:04:04Do you not just appear gay rather than be naked?
01:04:07Cause who fights naked?
01:04:11Two gay dudes banging.
01:04:13Right.
01:04:14Okay.
01:04:15Okay.
01:04:16Okay.
01:04:17The idea that you were so small that they thought this guy's a world renowned power bottom.
01:04:19You can't believe he's getting fucking pounded from every angle.
01:04:23God.
01:04:24Yeah.
01:04:25It's a, yeah.
01:04:26It's not a good look looking back on it.
01:04:27Why have you got trash in your truck?
01:04:29Well, I got another life hack for you, Chris.
01:04:33Remember to take out your trash cans.
01:04:35I got a couple of bags of garbage in the back of my truck that he commented on when I pulled
01:04:40up.
01:04:41And he's like, why do you have like four bags of garbage?
01:04:43And I was like, well, I forgot to take out the trash two weeks in a row.
01:04:47So there's just a bunch of, you just carry it around as additional.
01:04:51Yeah.
01:04:52It's just in the back of the truck.
01:04:53So there's a dumpster behind a movie theater that I'm going to go throw it out in after
01:04:56this actually.
01:04:57Thanks for reminding me.
01:04:58Welcome.
01:04:59You can do a full season.
01:05:00Three months like that.
01:05:02Like 20 bags of trash in the truck.
01:05:04All right.
01:05:05So you have three life hacks.
01:05:06That's pretty good.
01:05:07Yeah.
01:05:08Three life hacks.
01:05:09You do it for all of us.
01:05:10One Israeli conspiracy and I'm addicted to Kritum.
01:05:13That's what I'm bringing to the table today.
01:05:14Did you have a life hack?
01:05:15That was good.
01:05:16I'll go on.
01:05:17Well, you know, the, the first ever series that I did on the show was life hacks.
01:05:20So there's like a thousand that I've got to pick from, but the one that I've been using
01:05:24the most, especially because I just got back from tour was in Australia, New Zealand and
01:05:27Bali is an app called Flighty.
01:05:30So Flighty connects with your email and when you book flights, it automatically pulls it
01:05:35over and it tells you everything that's going on with your flight, what gate you're going
01:05:40out of, where your plane is inbound, where it's going to go when you're on the journey
01:05:44as well.
01:05:45It also tracks everything.
01:05:46It pre downloads the map so that when you're flying in the air, even without wifi, it knows
01:05:50sort of how long the journey is going to be.
01:05:51Can give you information about what the wait time is going to be like at your future destination,
01:05:56connection times, gate to gate, what a carousel your baggage is going to be at.
01:06:00It lives in just a little island at the top, you know, the floating island thing at the
01:06:03top of your iPhone.
01:06:04And it just fucking rules, dude.
01:06:05Like the number of times that there's been some last minute bullshit change and because
01:06:10I'm not watching the board or I've got my AirPods in, you're just in an airport doing your thing.
01:06:14It's just on your phone.
01:06:15It's quicker than the app.
01:06:16There was one flight that got diverted from Austin because of gale force winds got devoted
01:06:20to Houston.
01:06:21And I was recording with Andrew Schultz that day.
01:06:23It's like, fuck, like I need to get back.
01:06:26This better not be late, blah, blah, blah.
01:06:27And I thought it was great.
01:06:28And then the plane just did like that took up again as it was coming into land.
01:06:33And I was like, oh, it must be coming back around for another one before the pilot even
01:06:36came over the Tanoi.
01:06:39It updated and said like, you're not basically you're landing in Houston.
01:06:42And I was like, oh, so in some ways it can be disappointing before everybody else knows.
01:06:47But uh, it's fucking great flighty and it's like 30 bucks a year and you can have friends
01:06:50on it as well.
01:06:51You can add friends flights to it.
01:06:52So if you've got a, your missus is flying in, you don't need to do it.
01:06:56It's fucking epic.
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01:08:08My, my, uh, my life hack at the minute is, um, it's more kind of a, a philosophical stance
01:08:14to some extent.
01:08:15I think of a lot of gibberish that comes up where it's probably in the last 20 years, there's
01:08:19this particular discourse that happens online, but also in books where you'll see, they'll
01:08:24make a point and then they'll go, so this study says, or studies say, and I think what
01:08:31happens for me for a while now, previously, I would default to whatever this person's about
01:08:37to say now is completely true, but often my new default is whatever this person is about
01:08:43to say now is complete horseshit.
01:08:45Um, cause first off my friend Billy made this great point of, do you know anybody who's been
01:08:51in a study?
01:08:52Um, then have you actually ever inspected a lot of these studies?
01:08:56So I think previously what people used to do nine out of nine out of 10 times, they would
01:08:59believe the study's true.
01:09:00And one out of 10 is gibberish.
01:09:01I actually think the policy is much better the other way that nine out of 10 studies that
01:09:04you hear about, particularly psychological studies, guess what?
01:09:07Physics doesn't need a study.
01:09:08Physics goes, here's how it works.
01:09:10And you want to always opt like it's kind of the Deutsch argument.
01:09:13You always want to go for good explanations rather than studies of psych grads with people
01:09:18that had a specific hypothesis they wanted to confirm beforehand.
01:09:21And you'll, you'll often see these things that go viral on Twitter that get 4 million views.
01:09:24It's like 15 participants of like college males that are then making like, then the daily mail
01:09:30covers it.
01:09:31The Telegraph covers it.
01:09:32Huge sweeping generalizations.
01:09:33It's one, it's one giant scam.
01:09:34The other one is, um, my favorite one is, um, science says, or science backed, or trust the
01:09:42science.
01:09:43And my new default is if somebody says this, they're about to say something that's completely
01:09:47unscientific because by definition, oh, sorry about that.
01:09:50By definition, if something is science backed, um, I didn't invest, so we go, um, if something
01:09:55is science, if something is research backed ingredients, research by a little bit, I can
01:10:02say firsthand.
01:10:03This shit definitely works.
01:10:04Well, I guess, I guess the question is, but then actually investigate what the research
01:10:08is essentially saying, which most of us, we just default to.
01:10:11This is true.
01:10:12We read, uh, Adam Mastroianni experimental history, everyone needs to subscribe on sub-stack
01:10:16fucking rules.
01:10:17And, um, he posted today, there was a wonderful one, two part of living fossils that Rob Kurzband
01:10:22does.
01:10:23And, uh, experimental history had these two things about the replication crisis and, uh,
01:10:27Adam's entire point is that psychological theories don't ever be killed.
01:10:32They just become embarrassing.
01:10:33So, um, power posing being completely disproven, but has now just been sort of retconned into
01:10:41it's like expansive posture science and stuff.
01:10:43They've just renamed it, uh, growth mindset, total bullshit.
01:10:47Totally does not replicate, uh, ego depletion, like willpower stuff, total, total bullshit
01:10:51does not replicate.
01:10:53But what about retard maxing?
01:10:54Retard maxing actually is at the forefront of cutting psychological science.
01:10:57If it doesn't replicate, do a 360 moonwalk out of there.
01:11:03The problem with the replication stuff is that it goes back to the conversation we had around
01:11:07genetics that actually, um, some of this stuff may work for certain people, depending on their
01:11:11specific genetics.
01:11:12What you may have is 10%, it really, really works for, and 90% doesn't do anything, which
01:11:17is a way more fascinating conversation.
01:11:18Um, but as soon as you just default to that, it feels like I have a point that disagrees
01:11:23with Gary now, and I'm just going to say, well, studies say, and I've won, and there's never
01:11:27any like critical conversation around, well, can you explain the specific variables here
01:11:31that causes this outcome?
01:11:33It's just studies.
01:11:34Say, I'll let me tell you about this study, increased skepticism.
01:11:37Is that what you're saying?
01:11:38As a, yes, as a whole, including around those all the way up.
01:11:41I mean, I think the other side of that, the life hack is use this all the time.
01:11:44Cause there's for every one George who's skeptical, what out of a hundred people, how many have
01:11:49your stance?
01:11:50Oh, it's the other way.
01:11:51Yeah.
01:11:52Yeah.
01:11:53It's going to be 99.
01:11:54So actually like the hack is, well, there's actually a study about this study at all.
01:11:58And everybody will take you very seriously.
01:11:59It's similar to how people reference mainstream media.
01:12:02Even though, like you said, with the straight, right?
01:12:05How there were still ships going through there and the media was saying that they weren't
01:12:08yeah.
01:12:09It's the same thing, right?
01:12:10Where they're, where somebody, instead of referencing a study, they're like, well, Fox news said,
01:12:13or CNN or whatever bullshit people appeal to social authority.
01:12:16Yes.
01:12:17Yeah.
01:12:18Yeah.
01:12:19Dude, speaking of which, that actually ties into the other thing I sent you.
01:12:21Uh, did you guys hear about the stop Nick Shirley act in California?
01:12:25Dude, this is crazy.
01:12:27So there was, um, cause he's trying to do the same thing you did in Minnesota in California,
01:12:31right?
01:12:32Yeah.
01:12:33He needs to do that in Puerto Rico, dude.
01:12:34Seriously.
01:12:35I mean, if you get a list of the places that California has this act now, this is it.
01:12:40This is the bill right here.
01:12:41They basically put together this legislation that says it's called the stop Nick Shirley
01:12:47act.
01:12:48It's like a draft.
01:12:49Existing law prohibits a person, business or association from knowingly publicly posting
01:12:52a publicly disclosing or distributing on internet websites or on social media, the personal information
01:12:56or image of any designated healthcare services, patient provider or assistant or other individuals
01:13:01residing at the same home address with the intent to incite a third person to cause imminent
01:13:07great bodily harm to the person identified in the posting or display or to a co-resident
01:13:12of that person as specified or to threaten the person identified in the posting or display
01:13:16or a co-resident of that person as specified.
01:13:18So it's basically an extreme fascist bill that they're trying to pass to prevent people from
01:13:25exposing fraud.
01:13:27So you think that they're getting out ahead of having exposed in California, what was exposed
01:13:33in Minnesota and by making it essentially this kind of investigational.
01:13:37Yeah.
01:13:38And that's of interest to me, given all the financial stuff I've exposed down in Puerto
01:13:45Rico, but the, if you strap like that and map it onto freedom of speech as a whole, this
01:13:53is a big problem.
01:13:54I mean, I don't know what- This shit is fucking gnarly dude.
01:13:57Having to read this thing, like the, here we go.
01:14:00This guy.
01:14:01Yeah.
01:14:02He explains it a little bit better here.
01:14:03It warns that it would restrict the release of investigative videos and impose penalties
01:14:07on watchdogs who expose fraud.
01:14:09It's a, I mean, I don't really believe in the two party system.
01:14:12I think they're all just too, everybody's full of shit, but it is a Democrat that put this
01:14:17out and of course there's the backlash from this guy is probably a Republican.
01:14:21So it sounds like what they're saying is when he exposed the Somali learning centers, that
01:14:25then creates sort of hostile potential violence against the Somali people.
01:14:30So in order to protect threats of violence against immigrants here's this act.
01:14:35Right.
01:14:36Right.
01:14:37Which is totally like a load of bullshit because the real way you would protect from somebody
01:14:41being harassed like that is to stop the fraud in the first place from happening.
01:14:46Yeah.
01:14:47Or just separately prevent like violence in the way that we prevent assault.
01:14:52I'm just saying that, yeah, there's a number of other ways to handle it, but yeah, it's
01:14:56crazy.
01:14:57Right.
01:14:58Yeah.
01:14:59I was looking at this the other day.
01:15:00I'm kind of interested in how it plays out.
01:15:03You know, you do a lot of investigative journalism, right?
01:15:06You were down in Palisades almost immediately after the fire exposing a ton of stuff around
01:15:11FEMA.
01:15:13You've done the Puerto Rico thing.
01:15:14What are the big ones have you done recently?
01:15:18Well, after going to Puerto Rico, I shelved the deep dive investigations because it's so
01:15:26much work to look through all the, just everything, dude.
01:15:31It was fucked up, man.
01:15:32People in Puerto Rico don't have, we met a guy who doesn't have a fucking roof still.
01:15:37He hasn't had electricity for eight years.
01:15:40It's crazy, dude.
01:15:42You got to watch it.
01:15:43I don't know if I ever sent it to you.
01:15:44You didn't send me this one.
01:15:46Yeah.
01:15:47It's, um, it's insane.
01:15:48I, I, in theory, I mean, I can give you the, the layout real fast, basically in 2016 Congress
01:15:55with Obama's approval signed off on a financial board that more or less acts like the shadow
01:16:00government of Puerto Rico now.
01:16:01And they've funneled around $2 billion of taxpayer money, Puerto Rican taxpayer money off the
01:16:08island to wall street consultants, executives, uh, attorneys to consult on the bankruptcy
01:16:16down there because the whole island is bankrupt.
01:16:19And part of that process is to resolve the prep of bankruptcy, which is the Puerto Rican
01:16:23electric power authority.
01:16:25It's the government power company.
01:16:27And then it was privatized with this company, Luma and yada, yada, yada.
01:16:30The power is horribly unreliable down there.
01:16:34It's one of the most expensive in the entire country.
01:16:37And they're basically having money funneled off the island.
01:16:41Like, and they're all more or less connected to wall street, but it's crazy.
01:16:45And the reason I bring that up in relation to this is because, um, you know, the Somalian
01:16:50daycare thing, sure there's, there's some, some stuff going on there, but Puerto Rico
01:16:54has been basically getting shit on forever.
01:16:57And I think this is possibly an even worse situation that's going on down there.
01:17:01And they just revoked some transparency act down there too recently in the past, like four
01:17:05or five months.
01:17:06And try and get out ahead of people that are doing investigative journalism.
01:17:09I mean, that's what it seems like to me.
01:17:10They don't want, they want it to be more difficult for people to, to FOIA request stuff, essentially.
01:17:16Like one of the things they revoked on the transparency act down there in Puerto Rico
01:17:18was when you, when you request information, it doesn't show who you are specifically.
01:17:25Right.
01:17:26To, to the, to the people that you're requesting it from, but they they're changing that so
01:17:30that they can see.
01:17:31So there'll be like, Oh, Gary Faust, the guy that's been talking a bunch of shit about us
01:17:35is requesting this information.
01:17:37We're going to, you know, deny that.
01:17:39Yep.
01:17:40It's crazy.
01:17:41But this is similar to that.
01:17:42And I think this is actually-
01:17:43You're branded as the transparency act.
01:17:44Cause who can, who can say no to transparency?
01:17:46It was existing legislation that was put into place.
01:17:47Transparency equals good.
01:17:48Yeah.
01:17:49Yeah.
01:17:50Yeah.
01:17:51Yeah.
01:17:52But yeah, this is, this is crazy.
01:17:53I don't even know what else to say about it because not much has transpired, but in my
01:17:56field of work, I mean, that would, that would basically prevent me from doing my job.
01:18:03Uh, I have a quote that I love.
01:18:05This is a little more positive.
01:18:06I feel like we've had some, some conspiracy, some darkness, uh, some, some getting in trouble.
01:18:12I want to bring a little, little, uh, positivity here.
01:18:15All right.
01:18:16So.
01:18:17Saw this quote from Blake Mycoskie who created Tom's Shoes.
01:18:19Uh, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but he has this, he's like, I've had this on
01:18:23the wall of every office who says a master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction
01:18:27between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education
01:18:31and recreation.
01:18:32He hardly knows which is which he simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he's
01:18:37doing and leaves others to determine if he is working or playing to him.
01:18:41He always appears to be doing both.
01:18:43And I just like that to me has just been a very useful, um, I don't know, guidepost or
01:18:49like, oh yeah, like that is the highest calling.
01:18:51If you yourself basically don't differentiate between your work and your play or, you know,
01:18:56are you, is this a, is this something that you have to do or you should do or you want
01:19:00to do, the more those blend together and the less you sort of bucket things, I think the
01:19:05more you solve the problem of balance that I think nobody feels like they have.
01:19:10And so I just thought this was awesome and I'm going to put this up in my office wall.
01:19:13This seems similar to what Michael was talking about of the childlike thing.
01:19:17You remember on the first episode that we did and he was quoted some scripture, he said be
01:19:22childlike my children or some, some, some, something like that.
01:19:25I think one of the problems that you have is working for yourself sounds great because
01:19:30it sounds like choose whenever you want to work, but for most people, what it results
01:19:35in being is just work all the time because there's no one to tell you to stop.
01:19:40And a great idea to think about if this doesn't feel like play to me, scrutinize it and maybe
01:19:47try and get rid of whatever I can from this particular area of my life.
01:19:52But when you're compelled by, oh well, I just want to be more successful and more well-known,
01:19:59that is rewarding in and of itself, but it's not the type of reward that you want.
01:20:03So you need to almost be skeptical and discerning in the rewards that you get too.
01:20:08This feels like play, but it might actually be just shallow, juvenile, status-seeking,
01:20:14or it might be me playing at the game of accumulating money when I already have enough.
01:20:19It's that line from James Clear where he says, if you already live a good lifestyle and you
01:20:24sacrifice it in order to make more money, by definition, it's a bad trade.
01:20:29And I think sometimes people are bad at distinguishing, determining what is and is not play, what is
01:20:36and is not just more like limbic rewards.
01:20:39That makes sense.
01:20:40So there's, there's this book that talks, that I'm reading, talks exactly about this called
01:20:42The Score.
01:20:43You guys ever heard of this book?
01:20:44Basically, it's this guy who's a philosophy professor, but he loved games growing up.
01:20:49He always plays games.
01:20:50And he uses games as this analogy.
01:20:52And I think in general, a far more important thing in life than being a good player is picking
01:20:57a good game because it's very easy to be, you know, you were talking about Joey Chestnut
01:21:02earlier, right?
01:21:03And like, you know, the philosopher, Joey Chestnut, no knock on him, but like just generally choosing
01:21:08to be a competitive eater, it's not the best game to play in life, right?
01:21:12Like you could choose many things to try to be great at.
01:21:14There are some that are better and worse.
01:21:17Every game comes with a scoreboard.
01:21:19The scoreboard is very unique in that it basically programs you, it rewires your mind for what
01:21:24you now want.
01:21:25The game dictates what you want, right?
01:21:28Because it says that's how you win.
01:21:29This is the scoreboard.
01:21:30So therefore I've implanted a desire.
01:21:33And then it tells you who you need, and then it changes your identity.
01:21:36Who do you need to be to win this game?
01:21:38So you play Call of Duty, you better be a psychopathic murderer, right?
01:21:41You gotta be ruthless.
01:21:42You play charades, you better be a team player, a great communicator.
01:21:45You play poker, you better be great at the art of deception.
01:21:48And so the game you choose will not only just choose for you what you want, it'll choose
01:21:54your motivation.
01:21:55It'll end up dictating your identity.
01:21:56Who do you need to be to win that game?
01:21:58So he talks about like, you know, he was a, he was, became a philosopher or philosophy
01:22:02professor because he loved answering the big questions about life.
01:22:05That's what got him into it.
01:22:06Then he got there and he realized there's a ranking system for the professors nationwide.
01:22:12And how do you go up to, so he's a competitive person by nature, like many of us are.
01:22:16So he started trying to win the game.
01:22:17Now he had a scoreboard.
01:22:18The scoreboard said, in order to get more points, you have to write more peer reviewed published
01:22:22articles about these niche topics.
01:22:24So then he spends two years winning that game and then basically feeling miserable because
01:22:28he's like, this is not what he enjoys about philosophy.
01:22:31So he made himself miserable winning the game.
01:22:33He talks about how there's something called value capture, value capture is basically when
01:22:37the game gives you the metric that is super simplified, easy to digest, but it may not
01:22:44have been what you want out of this.
01:22:47So for example, in like, like you were, you're, we're on YouTube, right?
01:22:50YouTube gives you one big score, views.
01:22:53You can make a life-changing episode that gets half the views of another episode, but it doesn't
01:22:57know how to measure life-changing, it just measures views and it's going to keep giving
01:23:00you that metric.
01:23:01I mean, let's be honest, how many YouTubers don't just respond to views, right?
01:23:04Like it's like a very, very powerful motivation because it's in your face.
01:23:08Everybody sees it.
01:23:09And that's the scoreboard that determines success or failure in that game.
01:23:13I've got, I mean, we've, we've like spoke about this at ours and yeah, this is one of
01:23:17our favorite.
01:23:18You hit one of our trap cards.
01:23:19Like there's a weirdly part of the thoughts I was thinking about this week was going down,
01:23:25like how is, you know, that Marshall McEwen line that we like shape our tools, then I would
01:23:29say it was a great example of Nietzsche, Nietzsche used to write by a hand and then his eyesight
01:23:34began to go.
01:23:35So he started to write in a typewriter and he's writing completely changed.
01:23:39He went way shorter, way punchier, like he almost completely changed as an individual.
01:23:44And I've been thinking about that with a lot of these tools where, so I would like one of
01:23:48my life hacks at the minute is what I call boom scrolling.
01:23:49So rather than doom scrolling, I go on a treadmill at like 15 incline, three in, I've got share
01:23:55believe on loop playing.
01:23:57So I'm spinning around and I'm a fucking great, I'm just sending links.
01:24:01If you, if you are either in his contacts high on the top of his list of I message contacts
01:24:05recently because he's got massive recency bias.
01:24:07So you only send it to the people that he can see.
01:24:09If you're in lifetime on South Lamar and you walk downstairs and you see him, it's you with
01:24:15something from the eighties, some hair metal or like some like big pop star from the eighties.
01:24:20And he's just furiously sending fucking links to social media.
01:24:23I think supposed to be consumed.
01:24:24If you're 130 beats a minute, if you're 130 heart, like heart rate per minute, you just
01:24:30like forget about like all the like new stuff goes and I'm just in like these holes, like
01:24:34finding stuff.
01:24:35But one of the reflections, you've managed to find a social media flow state for social
01:24:39media.
01:24:40Boom, scrolling.
01:24:41It's it's coming back.
01:24:42Um, so one of my, one of my actual realizations when I was in this high was one thing you,
01:24:49when you become, when you were in like a flow state or when you're more mindful, you begin
01:24:52to like the, a lot of meditators describe it as the frame rate of reality completely
01:24:56slows down.
01:24:57So it's kind of like going from a standard definition TV to a HD where everything's a
01:25:00bit clearer.
01:25:01Everything's a bit slower.
01:25:02And I started to notice this thing in my head I was really embarrassed about that when I
01:25:06would scroll, I'd see a tweet or I'd see a post and there's this little thing in me that
01:25:12just looks at the views it gets and then like determines if I'm going to consume it or my
01:25:17reaction beforehand.
01:25:18And it's almost like, imagine what we've created for this mimetic algorithm.
01:25:22Imagine before you ever heard like a piece of music when you ever tasted a bit of food,
01:25:27it's like people clapping or people going to spit shit.
01:25:30And that's your whole, so you don't actually ever experienced social media content.
01:25:34So one of the two big changes I'd like to see is one, could I just turn off all engagement
01:25:38metrics and I'd be fascinated to run a study and compare the two and see like the impact
01:25:43that that would have.
01:25:44And then the second one, cause I've thought a lot about this, which is your point Sean
01:25:47around the depth metrics that it's very hard for us to measure depth.
01:25:50It's very easy for us to measure width is right now, one of the problems with social
01:25:55media is you can only kind of pay with a like, like that's the currency, which, and then if
01:26:01you have a thought experiment, if you imagine the world where the only currency was one dot,
01:26:06like a $1 bill and you can't pay more than $1, what would you have?
01:26:09The dollar store theory.
01:26:10You'd have dollar store everywhere means you wouldn't have Michelin star restaurants.
01:26:13You wouldn't have like luxury brands.
01:26:15You wouldn't have all these stuff that you'd those are actually shit examples cause I hate
01:26:18them, but you know, stuff that you would actually want to pay more money for.
01:26:21And I thought even just as simple as Y X don't just implement like a golden, like what I only
01:26:26have one per week.
01:26:27It's completely meaningless, but I have one per week and I press it.
01:26:30And then I can also go on the golden like feed.
01:26:32I know this is the thing that Sean says out of everything he's consumed this week is the
01:26:36best.
01:26:37I think the change you would have in terms of content.
01:26:40The worst thing is that you, you proposed this to me over dinner, what, five years ago or
01:26:44something probably, and I was like fucking stupid idea.
01:26:46And then YouTube brought in hype.
01:26:48We've seen hype.
01:26:49No, what is that?
01:26:50If you're a channel with under a hundred thousand subscribers, you as a user are allowed, I think
01:26:55you're allocated about a thousand hype points per week, and you can only spend it on videos
01:27:00that are high performing.
01:27:01I think it might be videos over a hundred K on channels, less than a hundred K, something
01:27:05like that, but it's, uh, like non fungible, they limited, right?
01:27:09So the Bitcoin of your likes and it's fucking great.
01:27:12And I find myself using it on videos that I really want to, um, here's a small created
01:27:17that's nailed it with some great documentary explaining why the whole, the Strait of Hormuz
01:27:21is hard to get through.
01:27:22Whatever the fuck.
01:27:23And I'm like, I want to send the hype thing.
01:27:25Michael Smoke is, had one video that broke through and I wanted to do it for his thing.
01:27:29So yes, you're right.
01:27:31Other thing, McNamara fallacy, you familiar with that?
01:27:33No.
01:27:34Okay.
01:27:35So, uh, McNamara was the guy that was in charge of working out what was going on with the troops
01:27:39in the Vietnam war, and his issue was that he was measuring the wrong, uh, metrics.
01:27:47So the McNamara fallacy or quantitative fallacy is the mistake of making decisions based solely
01:27:51on metrics while ignoring qualitative and measurable factors named after us secretary of defense,
01:27:56Robert McNamara.
01:27:57It assumes that if something cannot be easily measured, it is not important or does not exist.
01:28:01So the issue that the McNamara fallacy had was that, uh, enemy body count metric is taken
01:28:07to be a precise and objective measure of the success or failure of the Vietnam war.
01:28:11But it wasn't at all.
01:28:13It was domestic casualties, domestic injuries, and the far more important, what's the vibe?
01:28:18What's the tone?
01:28:19The morale.
01:28:20Yes.
01:28:21The soul.
01:28:22Yeah, precisely.
01:28:23So, uh, the line is we end up intending to, uh, measure what matters, but instead what
01:28:32we can measure just ends up mattering.
01:28:34Yeah.
01:28:35And everything else is disregarded.
01:28:37So you could, like I say, how, um, obviously golden like idea, like, is there any ways you
01:28:42guys have like for yourselves, whether it's for the actual platforms themselves, or just
01:28:46for you as an individual who have found a way out of this?
01:28:49There was one I heard that I didn't do this, but Hormozi had a thing with us where he starts
01:28:53getting popular on YouTube and then he hires a team and they're like, Hey, let's, let's
01:28:59punch this up.
01:29:00Let's do this video.
01:29:01Let's do this video.
01:29:02Oh, people will love that.
01:29:03Do what you're eating, do what you, how you guys met, do this.
01:29:05And he started as a business channel and then he's doing everything.
01:29:08And of course, things that are, you know, there's not a lot of people who want to understand
01:29:11how to do better cold calls and sales, right?
01:29:13Like there's like, that's a super niche topic, but like, don't be broke is a bigger topic.
01:29:18And then bigger than that is going to be harsh truths about being a man, whatever, right?
01:29:22Like, so those are pop those get 2 million views.
01:29:24So why make those shitty 20,000 views about, you know, um, how to, how to improve your sales
01:29:29funnel or whatever.
01:29:31But he realized like, well, what was my mission?
01:29:32My mission was like, I'm like, I love business, I want to share what I know about business.
01:29:36And so what he did was, uh, he started selling his book for 99 cents and he put it in this
01:29:42bio, right?
01:29:43So he's basically just use the assumption of, instead of measuring the success of these videos
01:29:46based on views, let's just measure it on book sales.
01:29:49Presumably only a business person, the type of people I'm making content for would buy
01:29:53a business book about sales or about a hundred million dollar offers.
01:29:57Only somebody who liked the video and trusted me more from this video would go and convert.
01:30:01So it's like, let me create my own, like, like it's like people who do their own sampling,
01:30:08like their own polling.
01:30:09Uh, like, I don't know if you heard about this before the election, but there was a guy who
01:30:12did the, who made a huge bet on poly market that Trump was gonna, I'm gonna win.
01:30:16I don't know if you guys remember this, some French guy made like $50 million.
01:30:20And the reason why was the mainstream media polls were showing like a neck and neck race.
01:30:25And he did, um, what's called like something like the friends and neighbors poll.
01:30:29You can pull this up Jared, but like, I think the premise was, if you ask people who they're
01:30:33going to vote for, they'll tell you, but like some people hedge and there was like closeted
01:30:37Trump voters.
01:30:38But if you ask them, who do you think your neighbor's going to vote for, they'll give
01:30:41you a different question.
01:30:42This is like the Keynesian beauty contest.
01:30:44Yeah.
01:30:45And so he used the data from, he commissioned his own poll, which cost him like a few hundred
01:30:49thousand dollars or whatever.
01:30:51And he ended up making 40 or $50 million on a bet because he understood the actual probability
01:30:55of success was far different than the, the priced odds on these markets.
01:31:00So what you're saying that Alex did was he found a metric that was more important and
01:31:05more accurate than all of the other metrics.
01:31:07He brought his own, he brought his own metric to YouTube, which he had to hack around, right?
01:31:10To figure out how to do.
01:31:11James, James Smith does this.
01:31:12So he's got his business channel, which is that the other thing he basically shut down
01:31:16his main one, which has got half a million subs.
01:31:18And he'll put a video up that gets 20,000 plays and make $50,000.
01:31:23Because the people that go onto that video are precisely his target market at a high
01:31:28conversion and then they've got some special tracking link that's for each different video.
01:31:34So he knows, oh, this one video.
01:31:37Because it's only this link in that one video and it's pinned in the comments or whatever
01:31:40it might be.
01:31:41And he can, he's now optimizing for the outcome that he wants.
01:31:45That makes sense.
01:31:46Now, the problem is that you then start to optimize for book sales and what optimizing
01:31:51for book sales, cause you're always optimizing for something unless you're optimizing for
01:31:55vibe or optimizing for feeling.
01:31:57And that's what the, you know, to break the fourth wall, that's the reason that I wanted
01:32:00to do this.
01:32:01I don't know if these episodes will ever be bigger than me sitting down with McConaughey.
01:32:05I think they've kind of weirdly got the legs to be, but the reason I want you to do it is
01:32:08cause I thought it would be fun.
01:32:10And I think the optimizing for your, the quote on the wall of your man or the childlike joy
01:32:15or the, you know, good hang vibe.
01:32:18It's yeah, knowing when to use metrics, when to avoid them.
01:32:21And then also, then you said then about studies like how much of this is you and then how
01:32:24much of this is the wider...
01:32:25I have to give you credit.
01:32:26You did this when you released your high agency thing.
01:32:28I was the one who went on similar web and looked at the traffic to your blog.
01:32:32I was like, dude, there's a million people have read your blog.
01:32:34You're like, really?
01:32:35I'm like, don't, what are your analytics saying?
01:32:37That's a similar web.
01:32:38He's like, I didn't have Google analytics in.
01:32:39Yeah.
01:32:40And I was like, you're a marketing guy.
01:32:42How do you not have it in?
01:32:43You intentionally didn't have it in.
01:32:44Yes.
01:32:45Yes.
01:32:46And I was like, do a blog post.
01:32:48Blog posts are essentially the UK or the mainstream media.
01:32:51You know what I mean?
01:32:52Like it's like the ultimate like...
01:32:53Undervalue.
01:32:54Undervalue.
01:32:55Like don't do it.
01:32:56You can't link to it.
01:32:57And at that time, Twitter completely shadowed my links, but then, yeah, I think doing something
01:33:01fundamentally different.
01:33:02And this is the challenge of when do you know, and I struggled with this a lot, when you're
01:33:06a bit of a weird guy, which fucking all four of us are probably, right?
01:33:09When do you know that you're kind of on to something?
01:33:12You're on the edge or when are you just a bit batshit mentally?
01:33:15And that, and knowing that is a fucking scary, you got to have good friends, I think.
01:33:20As well as sometimes just balls and you make mistakes.
01:33:22No, no.
01:33:23You just ignore.
01:33:24You just always assume you're on to something.
01:33:25Put the glasses on.
01:33:26Always.
01:33:27A hundred percent assume you're on to something.
01:33:28That's what I do.
01:33:29Delusional.
01:33:30This is the difference.
01:33:31You know what I mean?
01:33:32That's our GDP gap right there.
01:33:33This side of the table and this side of the table.
01:33:34That's the GDP gap.
01:33:35Right there.
01:33:36What do you think?
01:33:37I'm going to tell you if you're on to something.
01:33:38Come on.
01:33:39Really.
01:33:40Really.
01:33:41It is.
01:33:42I'm always on to something.
01:33:43That's what I'm saying, dude.
01:33:44It's been a decade.
01:33:45That's a metacritic society where we've got an old school aristocratic society.
01:33:49Yeah, exactly.
01:33:50We've been handed down.
01:33:51And also the other thing is that we can't raise out of our status.
01:33:54You're going to be middle-class for the rest of your life in the eyes of British people.
01:33:57I'm going to be working class for the rest of my life in the eyes of British people.
01:34:00It doesn't matter what I do.
01:34:01It doesn't matter how many plays I get, how much money I make.
01:34:04When I go back home, they know where I went to school.
01:34:06They know what postcode my parents lived in.
01:34:08They know what my accent's like.
01:34:10I think that that puts a kind of cap on how much people think that they... how big their
01:34:16dreams should be and how much faith they should have in themselves.
01:34:19This is...
01:34:20Alain de Botton talked about this.
01:34:21He's like, people that come from in the UK working class backgrounds, they're probably
01:34:25not going to try and rock the boat because that's not their place.
01:34:28It's not your place to do that.
01:34:30America's like nascent.
01:34:31It's like fucking two years old, right?
01:34:33In the grand scheme of things.
01:34:34We've got a thousand years of uninterrupted, uninvaded history, right?
01:34:38Apart from some planes in fucking like August of 1940.
01:34:42That's it, right?
01:34:43And then fucking Rudolf Hess, when he decided to try and land in Scotland, do you know that
01:34:47story?
01:34:48Rudolf Hess.
01:34:49Amazing.
01:34:50Gee, do you want to tell it?
01:34:51You tell it better than me.
01:34:53Okay.
01:34:54So Rudolf Hess was one of the- That was the most English shit ever.
01:34:58You want to tell it?
01:34:59No.
01:35:00You tell it better than me.
01:35:02Crack on.
01:35:05Rudolf Hess was a German fighter ace in World War I, and he then becomes one of the inner
01:35:11circle for Hitler in World War II.
01:35:14He starts to slowly lose favor toward the end of the war, I think '43, '44 he starts to lose
01:35:18favor with Hitler, and he sees himself being shunted to the side a little bit.
01:35:23So he decides that he's going to do something courageous and heroic that's going to save
01:35:29the war and also bring him back into the inner circle with regards to Hitler because he's
01:35:32got this group of sycophants around him.
01:35:36He's got Himmler.
01:35:37He's got Goebbels.
01:35:38He's got all of these guys that are around him and Rudolf Hess has been shunted out to
01:35:41the side.
01:35:42So Hess gets a two seat plane, one of the long range bomber planes that the Germans were using.
01:35:51He gets it modified so that it can be flown by one person as opposed to two.
01:35:54He gets additional fuel tanks strapped to it and he flies it without telling anybody.
01:36:00In the middle of the night from Germany over to Scotland because he once met some aristocratic
01:36:07Scottish nobleman and thinks because he's got this perspective of Brits that it's all one
01:36:16Renaissance Bridgeton novel that he is going to know Winston Churchill and the king or the
01:36:24queen and is going to be able to petition Britain to have an armistice, to put down their arms.
01:36:31So he leaves a note for the Fuhrer and leaves a note for his wife and just sets off.
01:36:38Now he doesn't know where he is when he gets to Scotland because it's dark.
01:36:42By the time he gets to Scotland it's dark and he can't see where he wanted to land.
01:36:47He can't see the fucking palace or the house of this nobleman.
01:36:50So he just pulls the ejector seat, lands in a farmer's field, very quickly gets picked
01:36:56up by the British military.
01:36:58They find out this is the fourth ranking Nazi in the entire Reich.
01:37:04Immediately take him into custody.
01:37:05He doesn't get to see the king, doesn't get to see the queen, doesn't get to see anybody.
01:37:07Doesn't get to see anybody at all.
01:37:08Doesn't get anywhere close to the nobleman he meant to go out in there and see.
01:37:12However, the British now have the fourth ranking Nazi in the world and Hitler is furious, absolutely
01:37:17fucking furious.
01:37:18Like apoplectic, apparently.
01:37:21And it just goes to show, I think, like first off the weird incentives and the way that people
01:37:30respond to a tight sphere of a social circle with power struggles that keep on going on.
01:37:36It causes people to do crazy, being in a relationship with a hot cold girlfriend, right?
01:37:39You're just doing fucking insane things.
01:37:41You're like throwing rocks at her window, holding a boom box with a mix tape.
01:37:44And then the next day you're naked, fucking getting, you know, being beaten up by her or
01:37:49whatever.
01:37:50I told you that story in confidence.
01:37:54The other thing is that people still have this kind of archaic interpretation of what British
01:38:00life is like, especially back in the day.
01:38:02He should have done a 360 and then moonwalked out of there.
01:38:06Have you ever heard of the story of Churchill and Hitler getting dinner?
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01:39:22Early thirties, Churchill's very much out of the picture and Hitler's on the come up.
01:39:28So I think he's just, he's either just became chancellor or he's just about to become chancellor.
01:39:32And one of the fascinating things that you, when you really study history is how blurry
01:39:36it is at the time.
01:39:37So I always use the example of the Roman empire of, you can, I think it's like 476 AD is when
01:39:42the Roman empire fell.
01:39:44But if you ask, well, when did the people recognize it fell?
01:39:48And it's a bit like, huh, the same with the British empire, like when did the British empire
01:39:52fall?
01:39:53It's like, you could point to certain parts of world war one, you could go further back,
01:39:56you could go to world war two, you could go to sixties, seventies, whenever you want to
01:39:59go to it.
01:40:01When do people actually recognize things?
01:40:02It's always later.
01:40:04And even like Hitler, like Churchill, who obviously ends up becoming Hitler's nemesis, was intrigued
01:40:10by a dinner with him.
01:40:11So there was this guy called Ernst Pudsy-Hangelsfegan.
01:40:14You can probably search that one, Jared, and good luck.
01:40:19And he, he, he was like a socialite in Germany who wanted to arrange the meeting and Churchill
01:40:24basically said, listen, he was really concerned about communism at the time, but he was also
01:40:28concerned with Hitler's antisemitism.
01:40:30So Pudsy says, well, come through, I'll introduce you to Adolf.
01:40:33You guys will get on really well.
01:40:35Churchill turns up.
01:40:36He's got his whole family there and kind of chatting to Pudsy.
01:40:38He's still not here.
01:40:39Still not here.
01:40:40So they kind of have dinner.
01:40:41Hitler's not there.
01:40:42And Churchill's like, where is he?
01:40:44So Pudsy goes, leave it with me.
01:40:45So Hitler famously lives in an apartment building in Berlin.
01:40:49So he goes to his apartment building, shit you not, Hitler's there, just shaving his
01:40:53mustache.
01:40:54So he's just shaving his mustache at the time, because you've got to, that's the thing about
01:40:57his mustache.
01:40:58Like there's a lot of work that goes into that thing.
01:41:00So he's shaving the mustache and he goes, Winston Churchill, very important British politician
01:41:04wants to meet you.
01:41:05And he's like, what am I going to say to him?
01:41:08What am I going to say?
01:41:10I have no interest in talking to that guy.
01:41:12And Pudsy like argues with him for ages and he goes, right, I'll come.
01:41:15So he goes back, tells Churchill, Churchill and his family sit there, Hitler never comes.
01:41:19So Pudsy says, I'll set it up the next day, sets up another dinner, Hitler never comes.
01:41:23And it's like those moments of history that if those two met, because famously, I didn't
01:41:28realize this until I was reading about it recently, that Chamberlain met Adolf Hitler.
01:41:33He flew over to Germany and he was impressed, do this, give us a handshake.
01:41:36He was impressed by the handshake because Hitler does these double handshakes and he was drawn
01:41:40in by his charisma and believed, oh, this guy will never invade.
01:41:44But it's just this fascinating counterfactual that if Adolf and Winston met, what would
01:41:47have happened?
01:41:48What year was that?
01:41:49I want to say 31, 32, around about then.
01:41:52Fuck.
01:41:53Yeah, that's so cool.
01:41:56Have you seen the Forbes 30 under 30 fraud list?
01:42:01Oh, wow.
01:42:02Yeah.
01:42:03It's crazy.
01:42:04Jared.
01:42:05How long is it now?
01:42:06So it's just, this stinks of you two.
01:42:08This is really something, this is kind of just a gift for you two.
01:42:12But this is the 30 under 30 fraud watch list.
01:42:14So if we scroll down a little bit and you hover over Sam Bankman-Fried, you'll see incarcerated
01:42:20Terraform Labs, incarcerated, Elizabeth Holmes, Theranos, incarcerated, we'll keep going down.
01:42:26There we go.
01:42:27Time served for Martin Shkreli.
01:42:30And if you go to the black bit where it's like redacted, just scroll over the black text.
01:42:35The real numbers were 300,000, that's it.
01:42:36So the student loan app to JP Morgan for 175 million claimed 4.25 million users.
01:42:41The real number was 300,000 and she hired a data scientist to fabricate the rest.
01:42:46JP Morgan bought it anyway, then noticed.
01:42:48Oops.
01:42:49If we go all the way down to the bottom, there's actually a risk list.
01:42:51So this is people who've been on the 30 under 30, it's like a, how would you say, prototypical
01:42:57algorithm that looks at some of the hype around the market.
01:43:01So these are companies that they think is going to be likely to be on the fraud list.
01:43:07So I don't know any sphere, cursor, do you know what that is?
01:43:10Yeah.
01:43:11Cursor is super legit.
01:43:12So I would say cursor is super legit, but they're not going to come for you.
01:43:17The crazy one is Sam Bankman-Fried.
01:43:18It came out today.
01:43:19Polymarket there.
01:43:20Sam Bankman-Fried came out today that the shares FTX, so Sam Bankman-Fried put an investment
01:43:26in Anthropic that owns Claude.
01:43:28It would have gotten them out of the bankruptcy.
01:43:30It's something like that.
01:43:31No, it's like $60 billion.
01:43:33$60 billion, which Coinbase is worth $50 billion or something like that.
01:43:36So it's, but the...
01:43:37FTX at its peak was 30.
01:43:39So basically he's one of the, had he not gone to jail for fraud and had not been using customers'
01:43:44money.
01:43:45Would have been one of the richest people on the planet.
01:43:46And he would have been seen as one of the best investors in the world because he was early
01:43:49in salami, it was early in this.
01:43:51Do they still have that position or did they have to liquidate the position?
01:43:55That's the sad part.
01:43:56When they did the bankruptcy, they bring in this guy.
01:43:59He's a famous guy.
01:44:00He did the Enron bankruptcy, something like something Rice or something, I forget who his
01:44:03name is.
01:44:04He's got a cool sounding name.
01:44:05They bring him in.
01:44:06So what do they do?
01:44:07They immediately like freeze all payments.
01:44:08They like have like a protocol of bankruptcy.
01:44:10And so one of the things is they take all these illiquid shares and they say, we need to sell
01:44:13them and they sell them at this huge discount right away into the market.
01:44:18And so they sold-
01:44:19Do you know what they sold it for?
01:44:21So they sold the whole lot for like, I think like a billion dollars of all the investments
01:44:27that he had made.
01:44:28And so it was like a fraction of whatever it was worth essentially.
01:44:31And just the one anthropic position alone is a $60 billion position.
01:44:34Would that have paid off all of the-
01:44:36Oh, multiple times.
01:44:37Many times.
01:44:38So all of the people who were missing money, had they have just held, when was the FTX thing?
01:44:43Three years ago?
01:44:44Something like that.
01:44:45Had they have held the FTX position in anthropic simply for what, thousand days, thousand months,
01:44:52even let's say it was like, they did it, it was last year, it would have been three years.
01:44:56That would have cleared off everybody's debts.
01:44:58Everybody would have got their money back.
01:44:59Right.
01:45:00Well, you got screwed because let's say you held Bitcoin in FTX.
01:45:03You did nothing wrong.
01:45:04You bought Bitcoin on this exchange.
01:45:05You think you have Bitcoin.
01:45:06In reality, FTX either didn't buy the Bitcoin, just took your cash.
01:45:10They showed you.
01:45:11You own 10 Bitcoin, but you didn't.
01:45:12They never bought the Bitcoin.
01:45:13They just took the cash and did something with it.
01:45:15Or you did have Bitcoin and they went and used it again for their own slush fund of investing,
01:45:20which they were not supposed to do.
01:45:22Now, even when the bankruptcy happened and it's like, oh, you're going to get paid out.
01:45:26You got paid out based on the Bitcoin price when it happened.
01:45:30Not the fact that Bitcoin was up three, four, five X since then, it was like, that's the
01:45:37way that I guess the bankruptcy process works.
01:45:38I don't know the technicality of the way that they, that they did it.
01:45:41And so you had this money that should have been appreciating that was locked up.
01:45:45And then you get paid on the four years ago price or whatever it was, the day, the day
01:45:49that it, that it happened is, it's, is pretty bad.
01:45:52Sean, your knowledge of fucking niche business stuff, dude, is terrifying.
01:45:58It's like George for random historical facts.
01:46:00It's really fucking terrifying.
01:46:01Galloway did something cool with this.
01:46:03Have you heard what he did?
01:46:04So when the bankruptcy happened and people, um, every, every, so like for me, I had some
01:46:09cash and FTX was one of our sponsors.
01:46:13They gave us a bunch of money.
01:46:14They gave us like a hundred, 200 grand to write one article about them on the milk road.
01:46:19And we actually wrote it and I wrote in the thing.
01:46:21I was like, yeah, there's this, uh, weird relationship between FTX, which everybody thinks is the
01:46:25best company in the world right now.
01:46:27And Alameda research, his like hedge fund.
01:46:30And it's like, it's unclear the relationship.
01:46:32It's a bit of a, so you called this out.
01:46:34So I called that part.
01:46:35I didn't, I'm not an investigative journalist.
01:46:36I wasn't going to go.
01:46:37It's not my job to go figure that out, but I just noted like, Hey, like here's a bunch
01:46:41of really interesting things about them.
01:46:42Here's something that's unexplained.
01:46:43I don't, I don't fully know.
01:46:44It sounds a little bit sketch.
01:46:46And so we sent it to them.
01:46:47We're like, Hey, we're ready to post.
01:46:48And they were like, uh, you need to take that part out.
01:46:51And so I was like, well, I think I'm not going to take it out.
01:46:55And they were like, okay, uh, we'll get back to you.
01:46:58And they just never talked to me again.
01:47:00They never took the money back.
01:47:01They never asked for the money back.
01:47:02They just disappeared.
01:47:03You never posted it.
01:47:04We never posted it.
01:47:05We were like, okay, I guess we'll just, I guess they'll get back to us.
01:47:07They just never did.
01:47:08And then it came out that that was like this link.
01:47:11That was like a really problematic thing.
01:47:12That was their defensive way of handling that.
01:47:14Did you ever talk about that?
01:47:15Did you ever bring up the fact that you presciently fucking accidentally just nudge the trip wire.
01:47:21You didn't fully break it, but you nudged the trip wire that was going to cause like
01:47:24the biggest banking scandal of the last five years.
01:47:26The Epstein girls, the two girls, but I'm like a dog setting it off.
01:47:29I wasn't really like clever in how I was doing.
01:47:31You moonwalked it.
01:47:32I was just like, that sounds weird.
01:47:34Is there an explanation for this?
01:47:35They're like, no.
01:47:36I'm like, okay, it still sounds weird to me.
01:47:40It's really interesting to consider.
01:47:41And it kind of links to the study says science says of, we just have this default bias of
01:47:47if people think this thing is successful, kind of it's this giant game of Empress new clothes
01:47:52that exists.
01:47:53And one of the things that I've always had a bit of a problem with, maybe because I was
01:47:57such an unpopular kid, that the fact that talent isn't enough, momentum is more important for
01:48:04the most part.
01:48:05And we can let a lot of people get away with some pretty gnarly shit if it seems like they're
01:48:10crushing it.
01:48:11I always use this example of a Fyre festival.
01:48:14Billy McFarland from Fyre festival, the festival was an entire catastrophe, multiple documentaries
01:48:19made about it.
01:48:20People are in basically FEMA shelters instead of the five star huts that they were promised.
01:48:25Blink 182 doesn't turn up.
01:48:26People have got these like small cheese sandwiches.
01:48:28Maybe they're going to be stranded on an island, there's not enough water, all the rest of it.
01:48:31But if Billy McFarland had been able to put together a half competent festival, just passable,
01:48:38he would have been hailed as a marketing genius.
01:48:40The orange square, all of that stuff is hugely influential.
01:48:43And this is because we will forgive almost every sin of someone's if they're successful.
01:48:49And in a meritocracy, this makes complete sense, right?
01:48:51If you are crushing it, that means I want to be around you.
01:48:54The blast radius of your success is so great.
01:48:56One canonical perfect example that happened two weeks ago, Kanye West.
01:49:02Kanye West just sold out SoFi stadium two nights, right?
01:49:07And the stage show is fucking spectacular.
01:49:09All that anyone can talk about is how cool the production was, and he's got all of these
01:49:12guests coming on.
01:49:13It's fucking amazing.
01:49:14He hasn't exactly showered himself in glory over the last five years, right?
01:49:18It would be difficult for a musician to try and torpedo their own musical career more aggressively
01:49:25than Kanye West did, but homeboys got bangers.
01:49:29If you've got bangers, dude, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
01:49:33And that's on one side, what happens with music, your point and beauty, two things that
01:49:40hack the human brain so effectively that you will stay going back to the fucking crazy stripper
01:49:45girl because she's so hot, even though she's bad for you, you will listen to the person
01:49:49who put out literal Heil Hitler song fucking six months ago, because he's got three and
01:49:55a half hour worth set of straight heaters.
01:49:59And the same thing is also true with momentum.
01:50:03If somebody seems to be crushing it, we'll just, Sam Bankman-Fried is playing fucking,
01:50:10what was he playing?
01:50:11Like fucking World of Warcraft or something?
01:50:12During the meeting.
01:50:13And he's like, oh my God, this guy's a fucking genius.
01:50:15Genius.
01:50:16Yeah, exactly.
01:50:17And it's like, no, no, no, no.
01:50:18Any person would be scrutinized, but if you've got the right momentum, people are happy to
01:50:23just fucking shunt that to the side.
01:50:25And I've never liked it.
01:50:26And it goes to my theory about why people say the only insults that hurt are the ones that
01:50:33you believe.
01:50:34And I don't think it's true.
01:50:35I think the insults that hurt the most are the ones that you know are untrue, but that
01:50:40you fear other people might believe.
01:50:42Because that's optics management because you have not only the unfairness, but you have
01:50:46the indignation of knowing that it isn't true.
01:50:48And this is the opposite side of the same dynamic that we're talking about here.
01:50:52You could put out something which is amazingly researched, a fantastic piece of work.
01:50:55But if other people say you're a bad guy or that was done incorrectly, or we don't think
01:51:00he's cool, it's not going to get anywhere.
01:51:03But that can't happen with beauty because it hacks the human brain.
01:51:07It is so hard to say, you can say that girl or that guy that's very good looking, they're
01:51:12an asshole.
01:51:13They're this, they're that.
01:51:14And you go, yeah, but they're so fucking hot.
01:51:15And the same with Kanye West.
01:51:16You can say, he's an anti-Semite.
01:51:17We don't like him.
01:51:18He's crazy.
01:51:19He's addicted to nitrous.
01:51:20It's like, he's got fucking heaters, dude.
01:51:24For as long as he's got heaters, it doesn't matter.
01:51:26I do think music and beauty are unique in that regard.
01:51:31The more successful you are as a musician, the more you can probably get away with more
01:51:34so than any other realm.
01:51:37People can kid themselves into not liking something that is objectively good because they don't
01:51:45like the person putting it across in most art forms.
01:51:47If you don't like somebody on a podcast and they tell a really interesting story, you can
01:51:52convince yourself that it wasn't that interesting or they're an asshole.
01:51:55Even comedy.
01:51:56Someone can tell a joke and you can be like, no, no, it wasn't that good.
01:51:59It wasn't that good.
01:52:00Didn't think it was that good.
01:52:01The same thing is not true for music.
01:52:03It is so penetrating emotionally to people.
01:52:05It fucking just cuts through your biases.
01:52:08It cuts through your defenses in a way that other art forms can't.
01:52:12And beauty, especially like female beauty for guys is just, you can be the craziest, like
01:52:19total cluster B personality nightmare curse.
01:52:24If you're hot guys are just going to keep coming back.
01:52:26Wait till you hear Epstein's SoundCloud.
01:52:28You know, I always use the example with Billy McFarland of like Steve Jobs is a little bit
01:52:34of a very, very different figure to Billy McFarland, but we are the distortion field kind of makes
01:52:38things happen.
01:52:39And like the counterfactual, that like the ultimate thing that McFarland did, or one of
01:52:44the big things is like his business partner, his co-founder was Ja Rule.
01:52:49And like I always put like the counterfactual, if Steve Jobs is co-founder was Ja Rule rather
01:52:54than Steve Wozniak, like the McFarland story is very on him for selecting Ja Rule.
01:53:01But if you would have selected a good operator, what would have happened?
01:53:04A question.
01:53:05A question.
01:53:06What businesses would be made better by adding Ja Rule in?
01:53:10That's a great question.
01:53:12Have you seen the old thing?
01:53:14What does Ja have to say about this?
01:53:16I don't know about old time, old internet memes.
01:53:21There's a phrase that I've been very interested in recently called super normal stimuli.
01:53:26Have you guys heard this?
01:53:27Yeah.
01:53:28That's pretty fascinating.
01:53:29Are you familiar with this?
01:53:30You might be able to explain it.
01:53:31Skinnerian behaviorism stuff.
01:53:32Yeah.
01:53:33He was a scientist back then, he won the Nobel Prize for this.
01:53:36And what he studied was, he got famous because instead of doing studies in a lab, he just
01:53:41went out into the wild.
01:53:42He was like, what do I observe is actually true.
01:53:43And then if I tweak a variable, can I just leave it in the real environment and see what
01:53:48happens?
01:53:49And so what he did was, you know, birds, the core behavior of a bird is to sit on the egg,
01:53:55keep the egg warm.
01:53:56That's your baby.
01:53:57That's like the entire like Darwinian pressure is to keep this egg alive.
01:54:01So he goes, awesome, bird loves egg.
01:54:05Does bird love bigger egg?
01:54:07Does bird love pink egg?
01:54:08Bird love pink polka dot egg?
01:54:10So he started putting a fake bigger egg with bigger dots and bigger brighter colors, put
01:54:15it next to it and guess what the bird does?
01:54:17Gets off its real egg and go sits on the fake egg.
01:54:20Cause it's more stable, hijack the brain.
01:54:22And so literally his point wasn't like, it's not like some rational pros and cons list decision.
01:54:26Bird just had a deep, like a part of his brain that you could just hijack by changing this
01:54:33to give it a, what he calls a super normal stimulus.
01:54:36So even give him a bitter, bigger, and he could just keep doing this up to the point where
01:54:38it's almost comical.
01:54:39The egg is so big that a bird finally, when he's like, I can't even sit on this egg.
01:54:43Okay.
01:54:44I guess that's too big.
01:54:45Right.
01:54:46And like, you know, you walk around and you'll see people with crazy lip fillers and BBLs.
01:54:50And it's like, what is it?
01:54:51It's a super normal stimulus.
01:54:53It's the same thing.
01:54:54It's like, there's a way to hijack the mind, beauty, color.
01:54:57If you go to the grocery store, what are the food companies do?
01:55:00They basically take your normal stimulus.
01:55:01So like, you know, the humans were evolved to love.
01:55:04We like salt because we need electrolytes.
01:55:06We like fat for a certain reason.
01:55:07We need certain things in our, in our diet.
01:55:09So they just said, well, what if I give you a lot of salt?
01:55:11What if I give you fucking Doritos, Kula ranch?
01:55:13What if I give you triple, you know, triple pack Doritos, local taco, whatever.
01:55:17And you eventually get a super normal stimulus that you really can't like resist.
01:55:22Your body has this like extreme, like pull towards it.
01:55:25You know, my favorite super normal stimuli is hunter gatherers eating cheesecake for
01:55:30the first time.
01:55:31Wow.
01:55:32Because it is so unique.
01:55:34There's a process called orification.
01:55:36So orification is the design of texture of foods.
01:55:40And if you think about ancestrally, almost every food that you can think of is a single
01:55:45texture.
01:55:46Like meat cooked slimy ish a little bit.
01:55:50There we go, super normal stimuli.
01:55:52Let's see how this is getting on.
01:55:53Yeah.
01:55:54Fuck that.
01:55:55Yeah.
01:55:56I'm out on this now.
01:55:57Two hours in.
01:55:58I'm still enjoying it.
01:55:59I think I'm hungry.
01:56:00Oreos.
01:56:01Crunchy on the outside, fluffy on the inside, fries.
01:56:04But what's interesting about the cheesecake thing is that you have fat with carbs and sugar,
01:56:09unbelievably rare.
01:56:11And you have sort of the crunchiness of the base and you can tell I'm hungry.
01:56:15And the like fluffiness of the top of the cheesecake and they give these to hunter gatherers and
01:56:19these their fucking minds.
01:56:21It's a flavor explosion, but yeah, there's a really great one that I think it's beetles,
01:56:27a type of beetle, dung beetle perhaps, or some of the beetle they're attracted, they're sexually
01:56:31attracted to the shininess of the shell, the shininess of the top, but as a glass bottles
01:56:37became prevalent, the beetle population was going down because the glass bottles were shinier
01:56:43and bigger than the beetles were.
01:56:45So they were driving themselves into extinction, not mating with each other and just mating
01:56:49with glass bottles because that was a super normal stimuli.
01:56:53And what happens with the cosmetic surgery, the big lips, the big boobs thing, you get
01:56:58something called fisharian runaway.
01:57:00So fisharian runaway is this sort of recursive, insane expansion of typically like sexually
01:57:07dimorphic traits, sexually provocative traits.
01:57:10And you end up with peacocks who've got tails so big that they can't move, with deer whose
01:57:16antlers are so large they can't lift their heads up and they die, with women who've got
01:57:21boobs that are so big that they end up with back pain and let's say that you took it to
01:57:27the absolute extreme, you were no longer able to procreate the reason for that trait in the
01:57:31first place, but you'd done something that like destroyed your hips and now it meant that
01:57:35you needed to have a hysterectomy and you couldn't have your uterus anymore and now you've killed
01:57:39your chance at doing the thing by having it run away with itself.
01:57:43The same as some of those deers or rams where the size of their like antler things dig into
01:57:50their own head and kill them.
01:57:52Oh yeah, I've seen that.
01:57:54That's crazy.
01:57:55Fucking Molly.
01:57:56Wow.
01:57:57It's funny how it's kind of like a meta discourse where, you know, you're talking earlier about
01:58:00the platforms and the feedback loops and then you end up like going so awry, but that's kind
01:58:05of nature's homegrown version.
01:58:11What you've seen on social media is tapping into this exact dynamic, it's the same thing.
01:58:16It's just that you've had to replicate it digitally.
01:58:18There's a great tweet that this guy Jay Alta said, he said, "You pity the moth for confusing
01:58:22the lamp for the moon, yet here you are confusing a screen for the world."
01:58:25Fucking slobber.
01:58:26It's one of the best tweets of this year.
01:58:28Yeah, it's amazing.
01:58:29But there is a solve, right?
01:58:31Because like you hear this and you're like, "Oh great, we're fucked."
01:58:33Well, there's got to be some sort of antidote to this.
01:58:36The interesting part was the equation goes like this.
01:58:39It's basically how powerful is the stimulus?
01:58:41So the flavor of the food, the size of the feathers, whatever, versus your baseline norm,
01:58:46what you are used to.
01:58:47And the cool thing is basically like, there's this arms race where they keep escalating.
01:58:50So the more you do it, the more you get used to it, then you need a bigger stimulus and
01:58:52a bigger, you need a bigger tweet and a bigger TikTok and more views on the next video and
01:58:56you need a stronger flavor.
01:58:58But all you got to do is basically detox for a very short amount of time and reset.
01:59:01Like if anybody's ever given up soda for like a couple months or years, if you go back to
01:59:07it, it tastes like horrible, it's like so syrupy, it's too sweet.
01:59:10You can't handle it, but you used to drink eight Diet Cokes.
01:59:13And the reason why is because you can reset the denominator essentially instead of trying
01:59:17to avoid the forces of commercialization that are trying to stimulate you.
01:59:23What's that Cook Fuchsius sub-stack that me and you like?
01:59:26You see his staring at a wall experiment?
01:59:29No.
01:59:30So this guy's sub-stack, it's pretty niche, but it's fucking.
01:59:33Cook Fuchsius.
01:59:34Cook Fuchsius.
01:59:35He's great.
01:59:36He's great.
01:59:37Really well-written.
01:59:38You would love it.
01:59:39Fucking great.
01:59:40George introduced me to him and now I'm pretty, his first post that I saw was "I am Andrew
01:59:44Puberman."
01:59:45That was the first blog post that I read from him.
01:59:49Subscribe.
01:59:50And he's doing an experiment.
01:59:53He did an experiment, I think for 30 days, where he stared at a wall for an hour.
01:59:58And this is kind of a twist on an ancient Eastern practice, which I think Dr. K's got his clients
02:00:03to do as well.
02:00:05After 20 minutes, some people burst into tears, some people are screaming, they kind of go
02:00:09a little bit.
02:00:10Yeah, because at least what I think is happening, their baseline of stimulus is so low.
02:00:18Even if you're in the shower, you're doing so.
02:00:20Even if you're going for a walk, things are moving past you, right?
02:00:22You're locomoting and you see the fucking wall.
02:00:24But all they're doing is staring at a wall?
02:00:26Staring at a wall for an hour.
02:00:27I mean, let's see.
02:00:29You know what would be an interesting test?
02:00:31Take people that have been to jail and compare them to people that haven't.
02:00:35Because that's basically what it still is.
02:00:37Dude, I was in fucking in-school suspension when I was a teenager for like weeks on end
02:00:43and all I did was stare at a fucking wall.
02:00:44It didn't make me go crazy.
02:00:46That's just weird.
02:00:47Well, I mean, present evidence may suggest other things.
02:00:49Well.
02:00:50Says the man in the ceiling.
02:00:51It was just a fucking delayed onset, dude.
02:00:54There's a few, like the most extreme versions of this you've got, I've never fully verified
02:01:02this one, but of monks who've meditated for such a significant period of time are in, I
02:01:09think it's like three standard deviations of happiness.
02:01:13It's like the 0.00001%.
02:01:15My favorite, and then I'm always a bit like, it's a bit of a study, but I'm like, fuck,
02:01:18this one's not a study, of the guy who set himself on fire to protest the Vietnam war.
02:01:25I don't know if, Jared, if you could pull that one up.
02:01:27The monk?
02:01:28Yeah, the monk who set himself on fire, who just literally walks out, sits in a lotus position,
02:01:33sets himself on fire, doesn't flimish, blink, or flinch, and at that moment I was like, huh,
02:01:38maybe there is something to meditate.
02:01:40Studies don't need to show.
02:01:42Yeah, studies don't need to show.
02:01:43I think it's Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary that covers this really well.
02:01:48Have you heard about his heart?
02:01:50Whose heart?
02:01:51The guy.
02:01:52So this is like kind of a Buddhist philosophy that, or like a Buddhist part of the story,
02:01:55which was his heart didn't set on fire, so his heart was like kind of completely normal.
02:02:00His whole body went to crisp, but his heart was still there.
02:02:03I think you could check this, Jared, but I think in the cremation period they tried to
02:02:06cremate his heart and it refused to burn.
02:02:08It's like, it's a very surreal, it could be a complete myth, but as soon as I see this,
02:02:13any of my questions around what the human mind is capable of goes out the window.
02:02:16One boy sat in full Lotus just barbecuing anything around him.
02:02:20Yeah.
02:02:21That's crazy.
02:02:22You can see the gasoline.
02:02:23There's a guy who's trying the screen experiment.
02:02:25Have you seen this?
02:02:26The guy who's doing one year, no screens.
02:02:29He's trying to Brian Johnson, but just a no screen and he's scanning his brain before and
02:02:33after.
02:02:34How far into it is he?
02:02:35Like a day.
02:02:36He just started.
02:02:37He's just been staring at a wall.
02:02:39He's finished all the things.
02:02:41It's like, I'm going to avoid, yeah, this guy, David, David Danes, today I'm scanning my brain
02:02:45before I spend a year without screens.
02:02:47They expect brain function to change, but whether the structure self changes, nobody seems to
02:02:51know.
02:02:52And he's got his website where you could just like, you're going to be able to see the updates
02:02:55of the results.
02:02:56Imagine how hard it would be to not, it's like not being exposed to fucking microplastics,
02:03:01dude.
02:03:02I mean, he's going to be, yeah, he's going to be looking at a screen in an airport.
02:03:05He's going to go to the gym and there's going to be stuff around.
02:03:07So he's really, I assume no screens anywhere.
02:03:12I say, I assume he meant like phone TV, like personal screens, but he's not going to ever
02:03:15look at any, he's going Amish if it's not, come on, you got to go all the way fucking
02:03:23blinkers on.
02:03:24Let's see, see if you can find the rules of the, of the challenge, but yeah, that's, it's
02:03:28pretty on route.
02:03:29Hey, what was that quote you said, uh, maybe 10 minutes ago about the, the person that you
02:03:35look at the screen and it's what did you say?
02:03:37Like we, we laugh when the moth confuses, you know, a lamp for the moon, but here we are
02:03:41confusing the screen for the world.
02:03:43Yeah.
02:03:44Okay.
02:03:45Map that onto AI.
02:03:46What'd you mean?
02:03:47Just, just, uh, in general, like what, like, I don't know, in 50 years people are going
02:03:51to be like laughing at us because of whatever we were doing right now.
02:03:57Like we're confusing AI for real intelligence or what do you mean?
02:03:59I don't really know.
02:04:00I just, when you said that, it made me think of how AI is going to be like, um, people are
02:04:05going to laugh at us for, in 50 years for what we thought was good AI.
02:04:09That's what I thought of when you said that for some reason.
02:04:11Oh yeah.
02:04:12Well, I mean that, that curve of technology, like they're going to look at us right now
02:04:16in 50 or a hundred years, like where the fucking moth that thinks the lamp is a, what you get.
02:04:22Did you guys watch the, the, you mentioned Demis, you mentioned Demis from a DeepMind.
02:04:27Did you watch the documentary?
02:04:28It's amazing.
02:04:29Dude, it's so far.
02:04:30It's amazing.
02:04:31Good.
02:04:32He's got this, uh, the guy who created DeepMind, which kind of kicked off this whole AI wave.
02:04:36He has this documentary on Amazon, I think called The Thinking Game.
02:04:39It's on YouTube now.
02:04:40Oh, it's on YouTube?
02:04:41It's on YouTube.
02:04:42It's so good.
02:04:43Highly recommend to anyone.
02:04:44Demis, if you're, if you're listening, I want to bring you on the show.
02:04:45Reply to my emails.
02:04:46Dude.
02:04:47He's, he's, he's cool.
02:04:48Yeah.
02:04:49He was like a six year old child prodigy, chess player, et cetera, but like that moment of
02:04:53move 37 is just like chills.
02:04:56You know what I mean?
02:04:57Like, I feel like that's like a turning point in human history was this move 37 moment.
02:05:00Basically Google DeepMind has, I mean, they seem to be the most safety conscious, kind
02:05:08of very human approach to this AI race at the moment.
02:05:12Yes.
02:05:13But, uh, I don't know if, I mean that the whole point of this, which is why Scott Alexander
02:05:19thinks that Anthropic is the Antichrist, because the Antichrist will come and make you think
02:05:26that they're not.
02:05:27Uh, so in this whole AI, that was a whole point that I had with Tristan Harris is everyone
02:05:32wants to cast aspersions at companies like OpenAI, I don't like you because you did that.
02:05:36I don't know, I don't like Google because they did that, or Grok, I don't like you because
02:05:40you did the whatever.
02:05:41It's like, Hey, dude, it doesn't matter what somebody's stated fucking safety goals are.
02:05:45These guys are speed running through model development as quickly as possible.
02:05:49And if they don't, they lose, they lose.
02:05:53So just look at the incentives, don't look at the fucking press release, like, yeah, the
02:05:57Anthropic Super Bowl ads were fucking hilarious.
02:06:00But don't, and they decided not to do the thing for the department of war and they did whatever
02:06:04the stuff.
02:06:05So don't fucking like get lost in the sauce.
02:06:08These people are playing the exact same fucking game just with slightly better PR.
02:06:11Yeah.
02:06:12It does seem there's a huge Duma like narrative right now around AI that's becoming more and
02:06:16more popular.
02:06:17Listen to more Friedberg.
02:06:18Yeah.
02:06:19I mean, I, from the wider question of what happens, I don't know, but from firsthand,
02:06:24like experience like for myself, I, um, cause the image models are getting so good now.
02:06:28I've had like a, uh, like it's called suboramic dermatitis for about 10 years.
02:06:32Sometimes it gets so bad.
02:06:33I wouldn't want to go outside, like level of bad.
02:06:35I just showed it to Gemini.
02:06:36What does that mean?
02:06:37Um, so it's basically like you were kind of like, there'll be a lot of people listening
02:06:39that have it.
02:06:40It affects like five to 10% of the population and your face will just break out in like really
02:06:42bad eczema.
02:06:43So I went to one doctor who basically got me a steroid cream and said, the reason why you
02:06:47have it is because of stress.
02:06:48It's like quite well known because of stress carried on.
02:06:51I started like meditating, like fixing my diet.
02:06:52I basically didn't eat sugar for like two years and it calmed it down.
02:06:55I was like, Oh, it's because of sugar.
02:06:57And then I saw a second doctor and she said, yeah, you're too stressed out my fuck.
02:07:01I'm getting stressed out by your guy's diagnosis that I'm stressed out.
02:07:03So she recommends another steroid cream.
02:07:05I end up tracking it for ages and I just upload the whole document to Gemini and it goes, Oh
02:07:10no, just, just put Nizoral on your face.
02:07:13So anybody who has subatomic dermatitis, it fixes it for like 90% of people.
02:07:16And Nizoral is a medicine or it's shampoo.
02:07:18It's a fucking shampoo.
02:07:19Shampoo you can get for a few dollars and like, I've never had it ever again since I have 10
02:07:24years.
02:07:25Never had it ever again since.
02:07:26And that's just that.
02:07:27But these stories are like, it's not as, it's not as sexy as like the, the guy speaks to
02:07:31the LLM and decides to take his own life.
02:07:33That's not that that's like a obviously horrific story if it's even fucking true.
02:07:36I don't know.
02:07:37But like, I know just so many people whose like health is genuinely being like revolutionized
02:07:42by these things.
02:07:43And it's just, we just have such an anchor towards negativity.
02:07:48Also you're always going to push back against something, some new technological development.
02:07:52Yes.
02:07:53It's, it's, it's the most recurring lesson throughout history.
02:07:56Like I was reading, cause I was fascinated by with AI coming on.
02:07:58I was like, I want to go study the industrial revolution.
02:08:00But what was fascinating at the time you had two groups that came up, you had the Luddites
02:08:05who would just basically go and smash the factories in.
02:08:07And you saw this recently with Sam Altman having a Molotov cocktail thrown at his house a week
02:08:11ago.
02:08:12But then you also had the Romantics.
02:08:14So the Romantics would kind of pine about and you kind of see this now of AI where it's like
02:08:17the cool things swap, which, which are, and there is what you could, you do want the Luddites
02:08:21and you do want the Romantics because they kind of act as a balancing arc to, to the,
02:08:27to the progression.
02:08:28So like net net, most people alive today do not want to go back to pre-industrial revolution.
02:08:32They do not want, like the option is to go to Amish if you do want to, like that is available
02:08:36if you want to go Amish, but nobody does.
02:08:39I think AI is going to make people go fucking insane.
02:08:42Yeah.
02:08:43Yeah.
02:08:44Because then we're getting to a point where...
02:08:45I was going to say, but pull, Jared, if you can pull up the new thing, I don't know, the
02:08:49FC producers, I don't know how true it is, but essentially they argue it's, it's making
02:08:53people less polarized immediately, where social media was pushing people further to the left
02:08:57and the right, whereas AI, you can kind of always see it with Grok now, they fact check
02:09:00people a lot more.
02:09:01So they're bringing a lot more people into the center.
02:09:03Well why do you think it'll make people go insane?
02:09:04Because, dude, it's, we live in a post-truth age now.
02:09:06There's no way to determine what, what flavor is it?
02:09:08This is sweet whiskey.
02:09:09You want sweet whiskey?
02:09:10Yeah, dude.
02:09:11You're going to have two toothpicks in?
02:09:12That's fucking nuts.
02:09:13Yeah, I'm doubling down, dude.
02:09:14Jesus Christ.
02:09:15Well, um, there's a, well, I'm not using them to actually pick my teeth.
02:09:18I'm just...
02:09:19No, no, but just you, you, you need so many stimulants that you've got one mutonic toothpick,
02:09:24one zippix toothpick.
02:09:25Yeah, no, and I'm coming down off that kratom right now.
02:09:28You quiet for everything.
02:09:29Yeah.
02:09:30Slow motion.
02:09:31Uh, uh, I think that deep fakes and, uh, maybe it's more so in America than other places,
02:09:37but after the Charlie Kirk assassination, there's all these conspiracy theories left and right
02:09:42about whether it was Israel did it, or it's a hologram, or if this guy was real, like there's
02:09:48all this crazy shit, right?
02:09:50And um, nobody's going to be saying it's a something like, oh, this is a hologram or this
02:09:54was AI without the advent of AI being able to create deep fakes that are largely, I mean,
02:09:59look at it.
02:10:00Look at boomers, dude.
02:10:01They believe all sorts of crazy shit.
02:10:02And we're like fucking idiots.
02:10:03That's where I was kind of getting at, I guess, with what I was saying to you about that comment,
02:10:08but we're never going to know, I mean, ever what actually has happened with anything we
02:10:13know anymore.
02:10:14The truth is no longer even fucking matters because it can't be determined unless you experience
02:10:18it with your own five cents.
02:10:19So there's, um, there's a great, uh, chapter in a book called the beginning infinity and
02:10:22essentially his idea is what's called known as the precautionary principle, which is essentially
02:10:28the history of humanity is essentially problems.
02:10:30Like we start like even great bread, like where me and Chris are from is just a, is this human
02:10:35concept.
02:10:36Like it shouldn't exist.
02:10:37Like we in great bread and me and my family should fucking die of hypothermia, but because
02:10:41of like we created central heating, we created clothing.
02:10:45But so you essentially have this whole arc of just problem solving, problem solving,
02:10:49problem solving, problem solving.
02:10:50And the problem that you then have ironically is that when a new problem comes along like
02:10:53this is that you have what's known as the precautionary principle, which is we can see
02:10:56the problem, but we can't see the solution.
02:10:58But by definition, people, human beings can't forecast a solution because if you have the
02:11:01solution for it, we would implement and be worth trillion as, but what you end up having
02:11:05is kind of 7 billion people working towards, um, this potential problem.
02:11:08You sort of with COVID like I'm, I'm, it's very unsexy to say, but I'm pretty optimistic
02:11:14when it comes to human's abilities to solve problems.
02:11:17I think it'll, I think, I think like a lot of this stuff we can fix.
02:11:19Speaking of AI, did you see this Allbirds pivot?
02:11:22Oh damn.
02:11:23It's insane.
02:11:24Can you explain for the class, please, what the fuck just happened?
02:11:26Allbirds, which was like a popular shoe amongst tech guys, at least I don't know how popular
02:11:31it got outside of that, but it was like a niche shoe, it was like a wool sneaker.
02:11:35They were like, started small, became a public company, but then they started failing.
02:11:40And so like the stock has been going down for years there.
02:11:43I think there were last like, you know, at one point, like a billion dollar company, they
02:11:47were like $50 million company now.
02:11:49Because the stock had been falling, falling, falling, falling, falling, and there was really
02:11:52no path.
02:11:53And so these guys bought it, I think, I think what they did was they purchased it and they
02:11:56just pivoted to AI.
02:11:57And it's like, well, how does a shoe pivot AI?
02:12:00What does that mean?
02:12:01They're like, well, we raised all this debt.
02:12:02We're gonna buy GPUs and sell them and the stock, like, as of this morning is soaring.
02:12:06I don't think this is a sustainable thing, but the stock is up by what?
02:12:09The company valued at around $4 billion at its peak, sold the intellectual property and
02:12:13other assets two weeks ago for $39 million.
02:12:16$39 million, and then they renamed it like what, Freebird or something, what did they
02:12:19name it?
02:12:20The shoe company had a market cap of $21 million on Tuesday, which climbed to $148 million on
02:12:26Wednesday.
02:12:27Wow.
02:12:28Just by saying, we do AI.
02:12:29The words AI.
02:12:30We are going to do AI.
02:12:31There was like a ICT company that was like, yeah, we're an ICT company, but we're a blockchain
02:12:35ICT company.
02:12:36And then there was, you know, there was tons of these companies.
02:12:38They would just change their name.
02:12:39They didn't even change the underlying business.
02:12:41They just changed the name to like, you know, blockchain motor controls.
02:12:45And then their stock would pop just because of the one day price move is 582%.
02:12:50Yeah.
02:12:51It's stupid.
02:12:52There's stupid things that happen.
02:12:53There's like, you know, the efficient market hypothesis.
02:12:55And then you hear this, right?
02:12:56Yes.
02:12:57I saw somebody putting like the intelligent investor in the bin.
02:13:00It's like giving up on this.
02:13:01Yeah.
02:13:02You guys see this kind of blew my mind.
02:13:05This is more in the kind of fear and doom stuff, but did you see the Indian, the Indian factory
02:13:11AI thing?
02:13:12Do you see this?
02:13:13Oh, were they training people with the cameras?
02:13:17Headset.
02:13:18Yeah.
02:13:19To fold clothes and shit?
02:13:20They're sewing shirts.
02:13:21They're basically folding towels.
02:13:22They're doing shirts, but there's giant factories now in India where the primary function is
02:13:28you're paid to wear a head, like a head camera, and it just films you doing a task.
02:13:34And they're basically creating all the training data for the robots.
02:13:36Like the humans basically creating the training, you're like, Jared, pull this video up.
02:13:40It's just kind of striking when you see, it's like, it feels like a black mirror episode.
02:13:44Do you know, do you know how Tesla made itself driving so good?
02:13:49Do you know how the, how it was trained?
02:13:51With a human?
02:13:52Yeah.
02:13:53So, so these guys are just working and these guys have like neck pain and all this such
02:13:57as they're wearing this eight hours straight on their heads.
02:14:01There's like a comp.
02:14:02There's a company that's basically making a lot of money, creating this data and selling
02:14:06it back to the AI, AI labs, which is pretty wild.
02:14:09And Elon actually, he gave this interview, he said something that nobody really has talked
02:14:12about, but I thought it was pretty batshit crazy.
02:14:14They were like, well, the next thing for Tesla is not cars.
02:14:17It's his robot.
02:14:18They're like, how are you going to train the robot to do all this stuff?
02:14:21You don't, like for cars, you got the data because humans were driving the cars.
02:14:25So you were able to learn on millions and millions of miles.
02:14:27How are you going to do it with the robots?
02:14:29He's like, well, we're building this, I don't know, a hundred thousand square foot warehouse,
02:14:33and we're going to put 10,000 robots in there and they're going to self play.
02:14:38So he's like, so, so if you, if you watch like how they train the AI to beat, like go
02:14:43and chess, there was one way, which was you have grandmasters tell hard code rules.
02:14:48Okay.
02:14:49What's better than that.
02:14:50You train it on only grandmasters game, game logs.
02:14:54And then they did this thing called alpha zero, where they're like, we're just going to tell
02:14:57you the rules of chess.
02:14:58You play yourself a hundred thousand times, see what happens.
02:15:01And that became better than all of the other models with no, no data of how to play chess
02:15:07or how to play go.
02:15:08And so alpha zero was this huge breakthrough when, when DeepMind did it.
02:15:12So now you want to try to do the same thing with robots where he's like, yeah, we could
02:15:14do this, where we get all the data from like human people, like recordings, or we could
02:15:19just create a warehouse where we tell them the, the objectives of the different stations.
02:15:22And then we let them just like fumble around trying to figure out like how to use their
02:15:25arms and like, eventually they're just going to figure out, you know, put 10,000 robots
02:15:29in this box.
02:15:30I'm like, I would pay so much money to watch this live stream.
02:15:36What was that?
02:15:37Is it the Neo?
02:15:38Is that the at home robot?
02:15:39What was the one that's made of kind of knitted?
02:15:41Yeah, I think Neo is the name of it.
02:15:42Neo.
02:15:43So this was an at home assistance robot.
02:15:45There was two versions.
02:15:46You could buy it outright.
02:15:47You could rent it.
02:15:48I think to rent it was actually quite expensive.
02:15:49Was it $300 a month?
02:15:50Something like that, $400 a month.
02:15:52And someone videoed their Neo trying to close the dishwasher.
02:15:57And it looks like someone at the end of a party on too much ketamine trying to do the same
02:16:00thing.
02:16:01It's all sort of janky and it's going down like, and it just cannot close this fucking
02:16:05dishwasher.
02:16:06That reminds me of iRobot.
02:16:08Yeah.
02:16:09You remember that, Mary?
02:16:10Will Smith classic.
02:16:11And then he has the live in robot and he's like, I don't trust this fucking thing.
02:16:15Well, the way that the Tesla training data was done was that they took the top 5%, 1%
02:16:20of drivers and basically said, they're going to drive on our behalf because the self-training
02:16:26thing has to be harder when you're talking about the physical world because the parameters
02:16:30of outcome success and failure are way harder to work.
02:16:33Is this folded right?
02:16:34Like there's a million ways that you could fold it.
02:16:36It turns out like, you know, it's one of those fucking origami.
02:16:39It's a swan.
02:16:40It's a goose.
02:16:41And you don't want that.
02:16:43It's nice and beautiful, but it doesn't fit the parameters right.
02:16:46So more oversight or at least like a base training data of like, Hey, here are some of the, cause
02:16:51what are the rules of the game of folding clothes?
02:16:53Right.
02:16:54They kind of, it's kind of strange to, but once you've got this raw training set, but
02:16:59this is the fight, this does feel a little bit like, uh, finishing off the champagne on
02:17:04the Titanic.
02:17:06You know, it's like, we're going down and we'll just, on the way down, I'll make a little bit
02:17:10of extra money from doing this thing, uh, to round out George.
02:17:16Good news about your dad.
02:17:19Phil Collins is a rock and roll hall of fame 2026 inductee.
02:17:25Any idea what your dad said in response?
02:17:29Very British response this obviously I'm pleased and honored to be inducted.
02:17:36That wraps up what has been a wonderful life in music.
02:17:39Obviously I'm pleased.
02:17:40Sounds a little bit passive aggressive took, took a while until 2026 to get this obviously
02:17:45I'm pleased and honored to be inducted wraps up what has been a wonderful life in music
02:17:49boys.
02:17:50This has been fucking sick.
02:17:51Appreciate you all.
02:17:52All right.
02:17:53Unreal Phil Collins.
02:17:54George is dead.
02:17:55Let's go.
02:17:56All right.
02:17:57Goodbye everybody.
02:17:58This is my first time seeing so much fun.
02:18:03One last swig.
02:18:04I mean, thank you very much for tuning in.
02:18:08If you enjoyed that episode, another one that I know you love it's just here.
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