Skid Row To Appalachia: The Forgotten People Of Rural America - Peter Santenello

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00:00:00I'm starting in OnlyFans and I'm selling merch.
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00:00:18I apologize to anybody who buys this
00:00:20because I get the sense
00:00:21that your girlfriend's just gonna steal it.
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00:00:27So get it once it's gone.
00:00:28You won't be able to buy it again.
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00:00:34What was your original inspiration?
00:00:36What drove you to do this?
00:00:37I was here in Austin.
00:00:40It's so cool because I lived here early 2000s,
00:00:43worked as a waiter at Fleming Steakhouse
00:00:45and I just had these dreams of traveling the world.
00:00:49Can't wait to see the world one day
00:00:51because I didn't travel growing up.
00:00:52Our family didn't go anywhere.
00:00:53Always wanted to go to Europe
00:00:54and my goal was save $20,000 in two years,
00:00:59go to Europe.
00:01:00Seven months, get a Ducati in Italy,
00:01:03rip that thing through the Alps,
00:01:04send it home, have my life figured out.
00:01:06Bro, that's a fucking dream.
00:01:07That was the dream.
00:01:08That is an absolute dream.
00:01:09But then I went,
00:01:10I did a winter in Switzerland,
00:01:13snowboarding, doing every job imaginable,
00:01:16and then flew.
00:01:17I'm like, what's this place called the Republic of Georgia?
00:01:20I've never heard of that.
00:01:21I took a one-way, Republic of Georgia,
00:01:24landed, all the mafios got off the plane,
00:01:26which was the whole plane.
00:01:28The BMWs were waiting for them,
00:01:30sped off on the tarmac.
00:01:32It was me in the airport.
00:01:33It was so corrupt at that time,
00:01:35had to pay a bribe to get into the airport.
00:01:38Like, had to pay a bribe if I wanted to enter.
00:01:41He's like, $20.
00:01:43I said, what for?
00:01:43He's like, you enter through me, $20.
00:01:46So, when you're young and curious-
00:01:49How old are you?
00:01:49I was 26, 25 then?
00:01:5225, 26?
00:01:53So, when you're young and curious and adventurous,
00:01:57there's nothing better.
00:01:57Dangerous combination.
00:01:58There's nothing better.
00:01:59There's a fucking dangerous combination, dude.
00:02:01So, Georgia was like the gateway drug.
00:02:04That would be like-
00:02:05Where is Georgia?
00:02:05The Republic of Georgia.
00:02:07So, you're south of Russia,
00:02:08Caucasus Mountains,
00:02:11on the Black Sea,
00:02:14Armenia, right below Azerbaijan.
00:02:16Sort of near Turkey.
00:02:18Borders Turkey, actually.
00:02:20Okay.
00:02:20So, like on the east side, let's say.
00:02:23Where Bulgaria is over here
00:02:25on the western side of Turkey, east side.
00:02:26Okay.
00:02:29But that was the gateway.
00:02:31And then you're like,
00:02:32where can I go from here?
00:02:33And you look on a map and you're like,
00:02:36huh, Tajikistan.
00:02:39What's that like?
00:02:41And so, instead of going back in seven months
00:02:43with the Ducati,
00:02:44I scrapped the Ducati idea.
00:02:46I'm like, ah, I can always save money.
00:02:48But I'll never be able to travel like this again.
00:02:51Maybe never.
00:02:52So, I'm going to go all the way around.
00:02:54And it was 50 countries, two years.
00:02:56Ran out of money in Uzbekistan.
00:02:58Great place to run out of money, I imagine.
00:03:00Yeah.
00:03:00I got cash advances on my credit card
00:03:02for like 25% interest.
00:03:05And it was the best debt I ever got in
00:03:07because it was like,
00:03:09here's my moment.
00:03:11And at that age,
00:03:12you sleep anywhere in anything.
00:03:15Were you filming any of this?
00:03:17Were you making it?
00:03:17No.
00:03:17No.
00:03:18So, fuck man, imagine if you'd had the GoPro back then.
00:03:21Holy shit.
00:03:21You know, I'm glad I didn't
00:03:23because I got to see the world
00:03:26without thinking about making content.
00:03:27Because you know what making content is.
00:03:31It's not all fun and games.
00:03:32It's work.
00:03:32You have to get the story.
00:03:34And I was totally free at that time
00:03:36just to let my imagination go wild.
00:03:40So, that's what kicked off the international interest.
00:03:42But back to Austin,
00:03:44I'm working at Fleming Steakhouse
00:03:46dreaming of seeing the world.
00:03:47And it was here.
00:03:48I'm looking down from my hotel.
00:03:49I'm like, that's the place I used to work.
00:03:52It's closed down now.
00:03:53And I'm like, wow.
00:03:54How did that feel?
00:03:57I think Steve Jobs said it best.
00:03:59I'm not going to say it as well as him.
00:04:03But he said, like,
00:04:03you can never see it going forward.
00:04:07Connect the dots of where your life's going.
00:04:09But you can look back and connect the dots.
00:04:11Only makes sense in reverse.
00:04:12Yeah, there we go.
00:04:13Life has to be lived forward
00:04:13but only makes sense in reverse.
00:04:14Right.
00:04:15And so, that was one of these big moments
00:04:16where I'm like, wow.
00:04:17If my younger self at 21
00:04:19serving the porterhouse steak,
00:04:22which I still remember,
00:04:24the tenderness of the flay.
00:04:25No, the favor of the flay.
00:04:27No, the tenderness of the flay.
00:04:31But the flavor of the ribeye.
00:04:33The porterhouse.
00:04:34That's how you sold it.
00:04:35That's what you need.
00:04:36I sold it better.
00:04:37But I can't believe that was still in my brain
00:04:38because our manager was banging on something.
00:04:40Over and over and over and over again.
00:04:41But if I could have seen then
00:04:43waiting tables where I was this morning,
00:04:46well, just a half hour ago,
00:04:48in that hotel
00:04:48and where my life went.
00:04:51Wow.
00:04:52So, it was just curiosity,
00:04:54a dream,
00:04:55a lot of luck,
00:04:56a lot of hard work.
00:04:57What do you think that
00:04:58young version of you would think
00:05:00if you were able to
00:05:02show him where his life went from there?
00:05:05It would be way more
00:05:06than I could have ever imagined.
00:05:09Yeah.
00:05:09Beautiful.
00:05:11Because the world's an amazing place.
00:05:14And living abroad
00:05:15teaches you
00:05:17as you're living abroad.
00:05:20I don't know if you consider
00:05:21this is your home country now.
00:05:24I'm kind of
00:05:25unsure on that,
00:05:26to be honest.
00:05:27I was telling you
00:05:28I did a little bit of
00:05:30self-work
00:05:32before the meditation retreat
00:05:33a few weeks ago.
00:05:34And as a part of that,
00:05:35one of the questions
00:05:35that came up is,
00:05:36where is your home?
00:05:38And I found myself
00:05:39really conflicted
00:05:40when trying to answer it.
00:05:41Right.
00:05:42Because
00:05:42I kind of don't know.
00:05:45I kind of don't know
00:05:46where home is.
00:05:47Here,
00:05:47this is where
00:05:48my business is.
00:05:49And it's a country
00:05:50that I love.
00:05:51And I certainly feel
00:05:52welcome here
00:05:54in a way
00:05:54that I wasn't in the UK.
00:05:55But I'm definitely
00:05:56not fucking American.
00:05:58Right?
00:05:58The second that I open my mouth,
00:06:00I'm evidently not American.
00:06:02I don't have
00:06:02the same cultural landmarks
00:06:04and understandings
00:06:05and historical context
00:06:08that you need
00:06:10to kind of be able to survive.
00:06:11Something that's really interesting,
00:06:12I wonder whether
00:06:13you've noticed this.
00:06:14People who
00:06:15immigrate to
00:06:17other countries
00:06:18that speak
00:06:18the same language
00:06:19that they do natively,
00:06:21their foreignness
00:06:22or the fact
00:06:23that they're an immigrant
00:06:24gets forgotten
00:06:25and then it resurfaces itself
00:06:27in surprising ways.
00:06:28So,
00:06:28if I go to Brazil,
00:06:30even if you're
00:06:32speaking English
00:06:32with someone,
00:06:33their accent
00:06:34is so evidently
00:06:36perverted
00:06:37that you're always
00:06:39reminded of the fact
00:06:39that you're a foreigner.
00:06:40Sure.
00:06:40Always reminded
00:06:41over and over and over again.
00:06:42But you go to a country
00:06:43that speaks
00:06:44your native language
00:06:45and you kind of forget
00:06:46for a little while
00:06:47that you're a foreigner.
00:06:48you're not from there
00:06:49because it's just
00:06:50seamless communication
00:06:51and then
00:06:52you try to use
00:06:54a reference.
00:06:54I try to talk about
00:06:55Jaffa Cakes
00:06:56or Cadbury's
00:06:57Milk Chocolate
00:06:57or the Inbetweeners
00:06:59or fucking,
00:06:59you know,
00:07:00Mr. Bean
00:07:01or whatever.
00:07:02And,
00:07:02which obviously,
00:07:03those are the four horsemen
00:07:04of British culture.
00:07:05And,
00:07:05um,
00:07:06then you go,
00:07:08I can't do that.
00:07:09I can't do that.
00:07:10I forget that I'm a foreigner.
00:07:11You forget that you're a foreigner
00:07:13in a country
00:07:13that speaks your own language.
00:07:14And it's really,
00:07:15it's good
00:07:17because it allows you
00:07:18to integrate very quickly
00:07:19and you don't feel
00:07:20as alienated,
00:07:21I imagine,
00:07:21as you might do
00:07:22if you weren't speaking
00:07:22a language.
00:07:23But then the alienation
00:07:24sort of jump scares you.
00:07:26Yeah.
00:07:26It creeps up on you
00:07:28every so often,
00:07:29hits you,
00:07:29and you weren't really
00:07:30expecting it.
00:07:30And that's something
00:07:31that I've noticed
00:07:31since I've been here
00:07:32that,
00:07:33um,
00:07:34I think if you were
00:07:34in a country
00:07:35that didn't speak
00:07:36your native language,
00:07:37you would be very
00:07:37regularly reminded of that.
00:07:39And you would probably
00:07:39give yourself a,
00:07:40a bit more grace
00:07:42of,
00:07:43hey,
00:07:43if you're feeling
00:07:44a little alienated
00:07:45every so often,
00:07:46that makes sense.
00:07:47Yeah.
00:07:48But then you come here
00:07:49and you're like,
00:07:49well,
00:07:49what are you whining about?
00:07:50Everyone fucking speaks
00:07:51the same language.
00:07:51You've got your O1 visa,
00:07:53you've got the bank accounts,
00:07:54you've got the health insurance.
00:07:55What are you complaining about?
00:07:56And you go,
00:07:57I get that,
00:07:57but you're still culturally displaced.
00:07:59Yeah.
00:07:59You are still socially
00:08:00an alien here.
00:08:02Don't you feel that
00:08:03when you live abroad,
00:08:04you learn more about
00:08:05your home country
00:08:06than being,
00:08:07being at home?
00:08:08Dude,
00:08:09that's a,
00:08:09that's what the world taught me.
00:08:11That's a George Mack line
00:08:12as well.
00:08:12He says the exact same thing.
00:08:14He moved to Dubai,
00:08:15learned more about being,
00:08:16about the UK,
00:08:17being in Dubai
00:08:17than he'd ever learned
00:08:18being in the UK.
00:08:19Yeah.
00:08:20Yeah.
00:08:20So I thought my goal
00:08:21was to show the world
00:08:22that,
00:08:24look,
00:08:24most people have an idea
00:08:25of the UK
00:08:26or France
00:08:27or Italy.
00:08:28When you go,
00:08:29when you get on the ground,
00:08:30things are always
00:08:31more complicated,
00:08:31nuanced and more,
00:08:32more granular.
00:08:33But I wanted to show
00:08:35the Republic of Georgia.
00:08:36I wanted to show Syria,
00:08:38these places that
00:08:39only get negativity
00:08:41in the press.
00:08:41That was the goal.
00:08:42That's how this all started.
00:08:44Show Americans
00:08:45the world they don't know.
00:08:46You know how many Americans
00:08:47went on a single flight
00:08:49last year?
00:08:51Less than half
00:08:53of Americans
00:08:54got on a plane
00:08:55in 2025.
00:08:5645% of Americans
00:08:58got on a plane.
00:08:5855% of Americans
00:08:59didn't.
00:09:00And I think it's
00:09:01some insane number
00:09:02don't even have
00:09:03a passport.
00:09:04I don't know the percentage.
00:09:05So I used to be
00:09:06a little harsher on that.
00:09:08But what I realize
00:09:11in my work now,
00:09:12most people,
00:09:14two weeks of vacation.
00:09:16That's Christmas,
00:09:17that's Thanksgiving,
00:09:18that's family.
00:09:20You've got obligations.
00:09:20Like, realistically,
00:09:22we didn't travel
00:09:24growing up in my family.
00:09:26Going to Europe
00:09:27takes time,
00:09:28takes money.
00:09:31So I get it
00:09:33for a lot of people.
00:09:33Me, personally,
00:09:34or you,
00:09:35you're curious.
00:09:36You want to see
00:09:37what's out there.
00:09:38And I think it's
00:09:39more possible
00:09:42than most people think,
00:09:45especially when you're younger.
00:09:47Like, your choice,
00:09:47my dad was in a profession
00:09:49where you're getting
00:09:50two weeks here,
00:09:51he's not seeing the world.
00:09:53So I'm not going to do
00:09:54that profession
00:09:54if I want to see the world.
00:09:56It's pretty easy.
00:09:56You can sort of line things up
00:09:57and be like,
00:09:58if I go that direction,
00:09:59I'm not going to do
00:10:00what I want to do the most.
00:10:01Okay, don't go that direction.
00:10:04What are some of the
00:10:06lesser known
00:10:07but amazing destinations
00:10:09that you think
00:10:09people should go to
00:10:10if they're looking
00:10:11to travel outside of the US?
00:10:13Like, a surprising,
00:10:14great trip.
00:10:15Are you going to tell me
00:10:16that Syria
00:10:16is like a hotbed
00:10:19for a weekend getaway?
00:10:20Jared, can we go to the,
00:10:23we made a special setting
00:10:24so I know that you sometimes
00:10:25go to some dark
00:10:26and mysterious places
00:10:27on your travels
00:10:27so we can change the vibe
00:10:29inside of the studio
00:10:30and we've made a setting.
00:10:32You're going to be
00:10:32the first person
00:10:33that we use this new one on.
00:10:35You're going to put some dark music
00:10:36with me?
00:10:36I think just the darkness
00:10:38of the stories
00:10:39will probably do enough.
00:10:41Okay, would I say
00:10:42for anyone to pack up
00:10:43and go to Syria
00:10:44first trip abroad?
00:10:45No, definitely not.
00:10:46When I went
00:10:47was Christmas time.
00:10:48I flew in from Moscow
00:10:49two in the morning
00:10:50and it was all the lights,
00:10:53the green lights
00:10:54from above
00:10:55and those were all the mosques
00:10:56and I got in the cabbie
00:10:58and this was during
00:11:01George W. Bush
00:11:02and the cabbie was like,
00:11:05the driver was like,
00:11:06what do you think
00:11:07of George W. Bush?
00:11:08And I was against
00:11:08the Iraqi war
00:11:09and I just
00:11:10knocked off some pejoratives
00:11:13and he loved it.
00:11:14He was like,
00:11:15I was like,
00:11:16FGW blah, blah, blah.
00:11:18I'm in Texas
00:11:19so am I going to have
00:11:19problems with saying that?
00:11:22He was getting excited
00:11:24and all giddy
00:11:25and then I'm like,
00:11:26what do you think
00:11:26of Bashar al-Assad?
00:11:29And his giddiness
00:11:30firmed up,
00:11:31he got tense
00:11:32and he's like,
00:11:34Bashar al-Assad
00:11:35is a good president
00:11:36but he didn't feel that way
00:11:38and that was the first time
00:11:40I really realized
00:11:41how important free speech is,
00:11:42if you can't speak your mind
00:11:44then it controls your behavior.
00:11:46I saw him tense up
00:11:47and I was like,
00:11:48here I am in the Middle East
00:11:49saying whatever I want
00:11:50and this guy's at home
00:11:52and is worried
00:11:54even in his own car
00:11:56that this is going to be a problem.
00:11:58So Damascus,
00:12:00Christmas time,
00:12:01Santa Claus is everywhere.
00:12:03Who would have thought?
00:12:04Christian population there.
00:12:06Old Damascus.
00:12:07Met great people,
00:12:09stayed with locals
00:12:09in their homes.
00:12:11But for Americans
00:12:12getting abroad,
00:12:13I would say
00:12:13you want something
00:12:15that's culturally
00:12:17very different
00:12:17but still easy to travel?
00:12:20Istanbul,
00:12:21Turkey.
00:12:22Okay.
00:12:22That's a good middle road.
00:12:24If you want
00:12:24full-on user-friendly,
00:12:26go to where you're from,
00:12:27right?
00:12:28Mm-hmm.
00:12:28Use English.
00:12:29Seamless integration.
00:12:30It's easy.
00:12:30Could you see,
00:12:31I saw this
00:12:32news article earlier on,
00:12:34an LGBT cruise
00:12:36set off from the US
00:12:39trying to land in Turkey
00:12:43and they wanted to experience Turkey.
00:12:48It's a cruise of like,
00:12:50there's a lot of fruit going on.
00:12:55It's high levels of fruit
00:12:56on this,
00:12:58on the cruise.
00:12:59They look like,
00:13:00all of the guys look like
00:13:01they're having an amazing time.
00:13:02I'm sure it's really great.
00:13:03But they arrived,
00:13:04they arrived at Turkey
00:13:05and they were like,
00:13:08you're not coming.
00:13:09Like,
00:13:09you're not,
00:13:09you're not,
00:13:10you're not,
00:13:10you're not,
00:13:10you're not coming here.
00:13:12So I guess there is a little caveat
00:13:13which is make sure
00:13:14that your sexuality
00:13:15aligns with the local
00:13:16customs.
00:13:18Yeah,
00:13:18I love,
00:13:19I love the Middle East.
00:13:21Traveling there
00:13:21has been great,
00:13:22very hospitable
00:13:23with people,
00:13:23but hey,
00:13:24culture is different.
00:13:26Don't,
00:13:26don't fuck a dude
00:13:27while you're there.
00:13:28Yeah,
00:13:28I wasn't going to,
00:13:29but yeah,
00:13:30definitely don't.
00:13:30Very important.
00:13:31Yeah.
00:13:31That's not going to go over well.
00:13:33Yep.
00:13:33The rainbow flag
00:13:35in downtown
00:13:36Tehran
00:13:38or
00:13:38Masters
00:13:39isn't,
00:13:43isn't happening.
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00:14:41All right,
00:14:42so you do
00:14:42this huge trip
00:14:44around the world
00:14:45and then realize
00:14:47that America,
00:14:48home country,
00:14:49is this place
00:14:50that you understand
00:14:51maybe the least?
00:14:53Yeah,
00:14:53there are quite a few trips.
00:14:54That was the big one.
00:14:55I came back at 26
00:14:57and I just changed
00:14:59my whole perspective
00:15:00on everything
00:15:01and fast forward
00:15:03quite a bit
00:15:04until 38,
00:15:08what is it,
00:15:0840?
00:15:09No,
00:15:0942.
00:15:11Living in Ukraine,
00:15:12lived there for four years.
00:15:13My wife's Ukrainian.
00:15:14Okay.
00:15:15Pandemic brought us back
00:15:16because I shot roughly
00:15:1750 videos in Ukraine,
00:15:19pretty much tapped out.
00:15:21Pre-war?
00:15:21Pre-war.
00:15:22Wow.
00:15:23Yeah,
00:15:24I got some,
00:15:24that's where it all started
00:15:25actually.
00:15:26Tell me about that.
00:15:27I started in the countryside.
00:15:29I was in,
00:15:31I'll give you a little,
00:15:33just a little context to it.
00:15:35I tried to pitch
00:15:36a travel TV show
00:15:37in 2011-12
00:15:38to all the networks in LA.
00:15:40I was flying there
00:15:40every six weeks
00:15:41trying to pitch.
00:15:42I made a teaser reel.
00:15:44Hey guys,
00:15:45so I want to show Americans
00:15:46the world.
00:15:47Here's the concept.
00:15:48We're going to,
00:15:49we're going to hang out
00:15:49with locals.
00:15:51We're going to get
00:15:51into their stories.
00:15:53And the response was,
00:15:55like,
00:15:56who,
00:15:56who are you?
00:15:57And wait,
00:15:59what's the rising action
00:16:00in that?
00:16:00And,
00:16:01what?
00:16:01No.
00:16:02Door closed,
00:16:03door closed,
00:16:04door closed
00:16:04for about a half year.
00:16:06So I gave up
00:16:07on the whole travel concept
00:16:09because this was,
00:16:10YouTube was a thing,
00:16:11but to make your life
00:16:12off YouTube,
00:16:13I didn't,
00:16:14very few people were doing it.
00:16:15I didn't see it
00:16:16at that time.
00:16:18So I went on
00:16:19different ventures.
00:16:19I had a business that,
00:16:22a small business
00:16:23that pretty much
00:16:23paid my bills,
00:16:24but I was always trying
00:16:25for something more interesting,
00:16:26something I love.
00:16:26so I developed this app
00:16:28that connected people
00:16:29through common interests.
00:16:31So you're going
00:16:32to Germany,
00:16:32you love running,
00:16:34you date,
00:16:35activity,
00:16:36connects you
00:16:36with that person
00:16:37at that time.
00:16:39Who doesn't like
00:16:39to hang out
00:16:40with people
00:16:40that have similar interests?
00:16:42Just way over my skis.
00:16:44I was living in San Francisco.
00:16:45I was pitching that,
00:16:46pitching that.
00:16:47Wasn't working.
00:16:48So around 38,
00:16:50I'm sitting in Golden Gate Park
00:16:52trying to figure out
00:16:54what I'm going to do
00:16:55with my life.
00:16:56No clue.
00:16:56I'm like,
00:16:56I have to do something
00:16:57that's interesting
00:16:58and meaningful.
00:16:59I have my business
00:17:00limping me along.
00:17:02It's nothing I really
00:17:03want to be part of,
00:17:03but I have to do it
00:17:04to pay the bills.
00:17:06I'm reading books
00:17:07about philosophy
00:17:09and just business
00:17:12and trying to come up
00:17:13with something.
00:17:13My buddy moves to Ukraine.
00:17:15He had a dev team
00:17:16over there.
00:17:18He had a startup.
00:17:19I went and visited.
00:17:20He's like,
00:17:21dude,
00:17:21why don't you just
00:17:21stay right now?
00:17:23And subletted my apartment
00:17:24in San Francisco
00:17:25and moved over to Ukraine.
00:17:29And so the first story
00:17:30started when I was in Ukraine.
00:17:32I had a Turkish buddy say,
00:17:34hey man,
00:17:34you want to learn the language?
00:17:36Go to the countryside.
00:17:38And so I went out
00:17:39to the far reaches of Ukraine,
00:17:41which is where I was
00:17:42is de facto Russia now
00:17:45and live with this family
00:17:46whose apartment got bombed out
00:17:49in the far east of the country.
00:17:52They moved to the countryside,
00:17:53had zero,
00:17:54nothing,
00:17:54nothing materially.
00:17:57Six weeks there,
00:17:58six videos.
00:17:59We even dug a well by hand.
00:18:03Transformative experience.
00:18:04I mean,
00:18:04I was sleeping on a mattress
00:18:06straight out of
00:18:07the Romanov dynasty,
00:18:09springs going through my back.
00:18:11It was a,
00:18:12do you open the window
00:18:14at night
00:18:14and get the room down
00:18:16to 88 degrees
00:18:17and smell the neighbor's
00:18:18trash burning?
00:18:19Or you close it
00:18:21and have a room at 94
00:18:23and smell less trash?
00:18:25Okay,
00:18:25so very primitive conditions.
00:18:27But the Ukrainians loved it.
00:18:29They ate it up
00:18:30because I was doing things
00:18:32like selling corn
00:18:33on the beaches
00:18:34in Berdonsk
00:18:35because kukuruza,
00:18:37they say,
00:18:38they call it.
00:18:39People sell corn
00:18:39on the beach.
00:18:40I was walking around
00:18:41and there's a corn mafia
00:18:42there that controls
00:18:43the beach.
00:18:44I know exactly what,
00:18:47if this podcast thing
00:18:48goes to shit,
00:18:49I'm becoming part
00:18:49of the Ukrainian corn mafia.
00:18:51You should.
00:18:52The kukuruza mafiosa
00:18:53was all over my shtick
00:18:55and they ran me
00:18:57off that beach.
00:18:58This gringo selling.
00:18:59Yeah,
00:18:59but we made a video of it
00:19:00and the Ukrainians loved it.
00:19:01Right, cool.
00:19:02So you got big in Ukraine.
00:19:04Got big in,
00:19:04I got Ukraine famous.
00:19:06I was on all the television.
00:19:07I got Ukraine famous.
00:19:08Brilliant.
00:19:09I was all over TV
00:19:10and I was like,
00:19:11no way.
00:19:12Yep.
00:19:12This thing can actually work.
00:19:15And then I went to Iran
00:19:17and I had free range in Iran.
00:19:19Wow,
00:19:19you really managed
00:19:20to front run
00:19:21all of the biggest
00:19:23kinetic flashpoints.
00:19:25Yeah.
00:19:25You just got there.
00:19:26You were like the trans.
00:19:27Have you considered
00:19:27that you might be
00:19:28the harbinger of
00:19:29like international incidents?
00:19:32That's wherever
00:19:32Peter Salmonello's been?
00:19:35You're right.
00:19:36They should just lock me down here.
00:19:37You didn't stay
00:19:37in the Gaza Strip
00:19:38for a while,
00:19:38did you?
00:19:39I put some time.
00:19:40I didn't go into Gaza.
00:19:41I went to West America.
00:19:42Right, okay.
00:19:43You really had the harbinger.
00:19:44Okay, so you go to Iran.
00:19:45So I go to Iran,
00:19:46shoot that series.
00:19:48Now, Americans need
00:19:49a government-minded tour.
00:19:52They need to be
00:19:53with someone the whole time.
00:19:55Man, they're going to be
00:19:55on that tour
00:19:56with the person.
00:19:56They don't have free range.
00:19:58But I have an Italian passport.
00:20:00As an Italian,
00:20:01I could go over.
00:20:02I don't claim Italian at all.
00:20:03It's just through family.
00:20:04But I could use this document
00:20:06and get free range
00:20:08in the country.
00:20:08So that was novel.
00:20:10An American
00:20:10getting free range
00:20:11of the country
00:20:12and I made a series there
00:20:13and that did well.
00:20:14Then I went to Saudi
00:20:15right after it opened.
00:20:17Like right after it opened.
00:20:19But then there were failures.
00:20:20I went back to Ukraine
00:20:21and I had failures
00:20:23because here's the deal.
00:20:24Ukrainians loved Ukrainian content.
00:20:27Ukrainians didn't care
00:20:28about Iranian content.
00:20:29So I just lost my whole audience.
00:20:31You were audience
00:20:31captured by Ukraine.
00:20:34And then I was audience
00:20:34captured by Iran
00:20:36and then Saudi.
00:20:38Right.
00:20:38Really.
00:20:38It really is the algorithm
00:20:40coming to life here.
00:20:42Totally.
00:20:43And so I would get
00:20:44all these new audiences
00:20:45in new countries
00:20:46but there was no thread
00:20:47between them.
00:20:48Right.
00:20:49And I didn't have
00:20:50a big US audience
00:20:51at that time.
00:20:52Anyways,
00:20:53did that for a while.
00:20:54Pandemic hits.
00:20:56Where are we going to go?
00:20:57We're either going to move
00:20:57to Italy
00:20:58but Italy was really locked out.
00:20:58Have you met your missus yet?
00:21:00Your wife or future?
00:21:01Yeah, yeah.
00:21:02We were together
00:21:03like three
00:21:04out of my four years there.
00:21:06Okay.
00:21:06But did you meet her
00:21:07when you were in Ukraine?
00:21:08Yeah.
00:21:09When you were part of the
00:21:09fighting with the corn mafia?
00:21:12On one hand
00:21:12chatting up the
00:21:13Ukrainian future
00:21:14Mrs. Santinello
00:21:16and on the other hand
00:21:17ensuring you don't get killed
00:21:18by the corn mafia?
00:21:19Pre-Kukurusa mafiosa
00:21:20I'm like
00:21:21I'm off to the countryside
00:21:23living with this family.
00:21:24She thought it was a bit bizarre.
00:21:25And so did the rest
00:21:26of the Ukrainians
00:21:27because it was so fringe.
00:21:28Yep.
00:21:28In the cities
00:21:29they would never live like that.
00:21:31So here's this Yank guy
00:21:32going out there.
00:21:33So not too dissimilar
00:21:33to the US then?
00:21:35Right?
00:21:35You've already set
00:21:36a little bit of that tone
00:21:37of cosmopolitan life
00:21:39although this country
00:21:40might be weird
00:21:41from the country
00:21:41that I'm from.
00:21:42Yep.
00:21:43In most countries
00:21:44the modernity
00:21:46cosmopolist thing
00:21:48still looks at
00:21:50going to the countryside
00:21:51as kind of a
00:21:52what the fuck are you doing?
00:21:52Like this is going
00:21:53backward in time somehow.
00:21:54Yeah, but the delta
00:21:55is even greater there
00:21:56because I'm going
00:21:57really primitive.
00:21:58Yep.
00:21:58And then
00:22:01but the pandemic
00:22:01brought us back
00:22:02to the US
00:22:02and then when we got
00:22:04back to the US
00:22:04I'm like
00:22:05what are we going
00:22:06to do here?
00:22:08I know my country
00:22:09from here.
00:22:10What's interesting
00:22:11about the US?
00:22:12Six years later
00:22:13head still down
00:22:14going full speed.
00:22:16It took off.
00:22:18Americans loved it.
00:22:20And I mean
00:22:21from a
00:22:22like career standpoint
00:22:24having American viewers
00:22:28versus Belarusian
00:22:29or Ukrainian
00:22:30different game
00:22:31with actually
00:22:32you can make some money
00:22:33on YouTube
00:22:33to actually carry
00:22:34the thing forward.
00:22:35Are you telling me
00:22:35that there isn't
00:22:36a burgeoning
00:22:36e-com and CPG
00:22:38business in Iran?
00:22:40I can't get my
00:22:41Shopify store
00:22:41to deliver Nutonic
00:22:42to Iran?
00:22:43No.
00:22:43Nightmare.
00:22:44Well, it's all
00:22:44internal there.
00:22:45They're big enough
00:22:46where they have
00:22:47every industry
00:22:47pretty much
00:22:48working on its own
00:22:49for the most part.
00:22:49Apart from the
00:22:49nuclear one, yeah.
00:22:50Apart from...
00:22:51So, yeah.
00:22:55Then the US content
00:22:56ripped off
00:22:56and I remember
00:22:57being at home.
00:22:58My mom still lives
00:22:59in Vermont.
00:23:00I grew up in Vermont.
00:23:01Moved out at 18.
00:23:03But I went back
00:23:04to where I grew up
00:23:05and I told my buddy,
00:23:06my good buddy
00:23:07from youth,
00:23:07I'm like,
00:23:08hey, I'm going to
00:23:09go to New York City,
00:23:10shoot some videos
00:23:11with the Hasidic Jews
00:23:12and then go to
00:23:13the hoods
00:23:14and the projects
00:23:15and show that world.
00:23:16He's like,
00:23:16cool,
00:23:17but what are you
00:23:17going to do for work?
00:23:19And that was when
00:23:20it was like
00:23:21the money,
00:23:23the money,
00:23:24the runway
00:23:24wasn't that long.
00:23:26My business blew up.
00:23:27Got to make this work.
00:23:27Got to make this
00:23:28and right when
00:23:29I needed it to work,
00:23:30it worked.
00:23:32So,
00:23:32it's been six years
00:23:33nonstop
00:23:34and all of those videos
00:23:37have,
00:23:38um,
00:23:38I try to go wide
00:23:40as far as I can
00:23:41from the Amish
00:23:42to the Bloods
00:23:42and Crips
00:23:43and everything in between.
00:23:45What do you think
00:23:45most Americans
00:23:46don't understand
00:23:47about America?
00:23:49Yeah,
00:23:49uh,
00:23:50it doesn't sound,
00:23:52uh,
00:23:52really groundbreaking
00:23:52what I'm going to say,
00:23:54but just the scale
00:23:55and the amount
00:23:56of different lifestyles
00:23:57we have.
00:23:57You,
00:23:58you do have parts
00:23:59of America
00:23:59where they're still
00:24:01hunting a whale,
00:24:02whales every year,
00:24:04reindeer.
00:24:05Uh,
00:24:05you can see Russia.
00:24:07I'm talking about
00:24:07St. Lawrence Island,
00:24:09Siberian Yupik people,
00:24:10three times the size
00:24:11of Maui.
00:24:13America's still-
00:24:13Where is that?
00:24:14Yeah,
00:24:15way up in Alaska.
00:24:17So huge
00:24:18that as someone
00:24:20doing this full-time,
00:24:21I'm still discovering
00:24:22places I knew
00:24:23nothing about,
00:24:24didn't know they existed.
00:24:24So I found that
00:24:25with Google Maps
00:24:27late night
00:24:27and I'm like,
00:24:28what's that?
00:24:28You're fucking kidding me.
00:24:29You geo-guessered
00:24:30your way.
00:24:31I totally.
00:24:32Like just zoom in,
00:24:33pinch and zoom in.
00:24:33Zoom in, zoom in.
00:24:34Okay, two towns.
00:24:35There's USPS
00:24:36and a church.
00:24:37There's no street view.
00:24:38What's going on up there?
00:24:40I'll check that out.
00:24:41And then you have
00:24:42Miami's in the same country,
00:24:44capital of Latin America.
00:24:46Two different universes.
00:24:48So we're all in our bubbles.
00:24:50Doesn't matter where you live.
00:24:51We're in our bubbles.
00:24:53My goal is to teach
00:24:55or show Americans
00:24:56about different bubbles
00:24:57that they might not interact with.
00:24:59That could be
00:25:00inner city hoods.
00:25:01That could be
00:25:02the richest hoods.
00:25:03That could be
00:25:04deep with the Amish.
00:25:06Native culture.
00:25:08We have 576
00:25:10federally recognized tribes
00:25:12in this country
00:25:12and they're all different.
00:25:13That's like a whole
00:25:14different parallel universe.
00:25:16A whole different world
00:25:17running on its own.
00:25:19You have everything
00:25:19from Navajo Nation
00:25:20in Arizona,
00:25:22size of New Jersey,
00:25:23size of Israel basically.
00:25:26It's different laws,
00:25:27different rules.
00:25:28Just like Israel, yeah.
00:25:29Just like Israel.
00:25:31And then you have Cherokee
00:25:32in North Carolina.
00:25:34You put kids
00:25:35from each one
00:25:35of those tribes
00:25:37and swap them.
00:25:39It's like a wild
00:25:40cultural experience
00:25:41for them.
00:25:42Native American world
00:25:44is like European countries.
00:25:47You can't just say
00:25:48you're European, yes.
00:25:51But you're not Italian.
00:25:52You're not Norwegian.
00:25:54You got some Viking
00:25:55in you maybe.
00:25:57Okay.
00:25:57But you get what I'm saying, right?
00:25:59Every country has,
00:25:59and that's how
00:26:00the native world is.
00:26:01It's like different countries.
00:26:02They're all native.
00:26:03They're all,
00:26:04just like Europeans,
00:26:04they're all European.
00:26:05But Ukraine and the UK
00:26:06are two different universes.
00:26:08So that's been surprising.
00:26:11Just the amount
00:26:12of depth we have here
00:26:14and how granular it goes
00:26:16when you really
00:26:18look at it closely.
00:26:19Talk to me
00:26:20about the native peoples
00:26:21that you've spent time with
00:26:22because coming over here,
00:26:25I've really enjoyed
00:26:26immersing myself
00:26:27in going to different places.
00:26:29I've taken a lot
00:26:30of big road trips.
00:26:32But I've not done
00:26:34anything like
00:26:34what you've done.
00:26:35I've gone from New Orleans.
00:26:36It's so interesting.
00:26:37The French Quarter downtown.
00:26:39Oh my God,
00:26:40I can get a beignet
00:26:40and spill it everywhere.
00:26:41I'm like,
00:26:42okay, come on, dude.
00:26:43Like,
00:26:44what have you learned
00:26:46from the native tribes
00:26:49and the descendants of them
00:26:50that you've spent time with?
00:26:53They're all different,
00:26:54but there's a thread
00:26:55that you've,
00:26:55they're all different,
00:26:57but there's a similarity
00:26:58as in you get in
00:27:00the native world,
00:27:02the stories get more interesting,
00:27:04the pace slows down.
00:27:06There's,
00:27:07you get a bit away
00:27:08from the capitalistic drum
00:27:10of the Western world.
00:27:12That would be
00:27:13my initial feeling.
00:27:15They're,
00:27:15they're wonderful storytellers.
00:27:17They can almost put you
00:27:18like in the Siberian Yupik.
00:27:21I was with this woman,
00:27:22Adora.
00:27:23It's like she put me
00:27:24in a trance.
00:27:25She was like hypnotizing me
00:27:27with her stories.
00:27:28They have an ability
00:27:29to deliver a story
00:27:31and they have a great sense
00:27:32of humor
00:27:32and they all play hoops.
00:27:34Hoops is the basketball.
00:27:36That's what keeps them together.
00:27:38All the tribes play hoops.
00:27:40It's big rivalry.
00:27:41What's their
00:27:42relationship or story
00:27:46like with
00:27:47what America is
00:27:49and has become now?
00:27:50Because you could imagine
00:27:51there's maybe
00:27:52some ancestral resentment
00:27:54in there.
00:27:56Do you ever sense that?
00:27:58Is that something
00:27:58that comes through?
00:27:59Depends who you talk to.
00:28:01So the highest enrollment
00:28:02in the military per capita
00:28:04is Native American.
00:28:06No fucking way.
00:28:07Yeah.
00:28:07So you have true patriots,
00:28:09flags waving.
00:28:10You have some believe
00:28:12that believe in traditional beliefs,
00:28:14other very Christian.
00:28:16You have some
00:28:18that are pissed.
00:28:19Traditional beliefs
00:28:19would be more like
00:28:20animal spirit type stuff.
00:28:22Exactly.
00:28:23Right.
00:28:23Cool.
00:28:23In getting really deep
00:28:24into their clans,
00:28:25they have different clans.
00:28:26There's clan culture.
00:28:29You have places like
00:28:30in Navajo Nation,
00:28:32you get into the hogan,
00:28:33into the hut
00:28:33and you got to walk
00:28:35clockwise in the hut.
00:28:37Never,
00:28:37ever go counterclockwise.
00:28:40It's going to bring
00:28:40so much bad to you.
00:28:41So if you drop your keys
00:28:43here,
00:28:44like for those listening,
00:28:46so to my right,
00:28:49like don't just pick them up there,
00:28:51like circle the whole thing
00:28:52and pick them up.
00:28:55I find that stuff fascinating.
00:28:57But no,
00:28:57everyone,
00:28:58there's no consensus,
00:29:00I would say.
00:29:01So sometimes people will say,
00:29:02hey,
00:29:03they're not Indians,
00:29:04they're Natives
00:29:04or Native Americans
00:29:05or Indigenous
00:29:06or First Nations.
00:29:07You know what
00:29:08they say they are?
00:29:10The only consensus
00:29:12is there isn't one.
00:29:14Depends who you talk to.
00:29:16Some say,
00:29:16I'm Indian.
00:29:17Lakota medicine man
00:29:18in South Dakota
00:29:19said,
00:29:20I'm the Native American
00:29:21because he was way before
00:29:24it was called America,
00:29:25his family.
00:29:26I grew up in America.
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00:30:44Is there vestigial resentment?
00:30:48There's some.
00:30:49I mean,
00:30:50there's some that go back
00:30:52to the certain battles
00:30:54like Wounded Knee.
00:30:56What was it?
00:30:57300 and something died.
00:30:59I think it was Custer's Army
00:31:00took out the Lakota.
00:31:01I believe it was.
00:31:03And that really affected
00:31:04the guy I was hanging out with.
00:31:06It was back in the 1800s.
00:31:08And then some people
00:31:09are like Vietnamese,
00:31:11as in they let it go
00:31:13really quickly.
00:31:14You go to Vietnam these days,
00:31:16you'd think they would
00:31:17hate all Americans.
00:31:18They don't.
00:31:20He's watching a war flick
00:31:21with a bunch of Vietnamese dude.
00:31:22American war flick.
00:31:23How crazy was that?
00:31:26Just really depends.
00:31:28And then economically,
00:31:31some tribes are really poor.
00:31:33I mean,
00:31:33the de facto is
00:31:34it's worse on the res
00:31:36materially,
00:31:37economically,
00:31:38than off the res.
00:31:38It's worse on the res?
00:31:39Yeah.
00:31:39Why?
00:31:40Just less jobs,
00:31:41remote areas,
00:31:43not as much
00:31:44industry.
00:31:45But then some res is
00:31:46it's wealthy as all could be.
00:31:49Great gambling.
00:31:51You go to the Seminoles
00:31:52in South Florida,
00:31:54they own the Hard Rock brand
00:31:56worldwide.
00:31:57I think they paid
00:31:58800 million for it
00:31:59back in the day.
00:32:00Hang on.
00:32:01Yeah.
00:32:01The Hard Rock brand
00:32:02worldwide
00:32:03is owned
00:32:04by the Seminoles.
00:32:06by some
00:32:06indigenous
00:32:08Native American
00:32:09descendant people
00:32:09in...
00:32:10100%.
00:32:11And their tribe,
00:32:13I believe,
00:32:14don't quote me on this,
00:32:15it's roughly
00:32:164,500
00:32:17people.
00:32:19They started
00:32:19in Indian gaming.
00:32:22They have
00:32:23agricultural operations.
00:32:24I believe
00:32:25gas and oil
00:32:26operations,
00:32:28Hard Rock Cafe.
00:32:30So these guys
00:32:31are just
00:32:31hardcore entrepreneurs.
00:32:33Hardcore
00:32:33entrepreneurs.
00:32:37And
00:32:37you know,
00:32:39when I get into
00:32:39these communities,
00:32:40I always want people
00:32:40on my videos
00:32:41to want to be
00:32:43on my videos.
00:32:45I don't want
00:32:45to just show up
00:32:46on a camera
00:32:46and put a camera
00:32:47in someone's face
00:32:47if they don't want it.
00:32:49A tribal council member
00:32:50I put up
00:32:51on my Insta,
00:32:52I said,
00:32:52I want to get
00:32:53a Seminole story.
00:32:53I know it was very
00:32:54difficult to get
00:32:55with them.
00:32:56And
00:32:56tribal council member
00:32:58reached out,
00:32:59said,
00:32:59I'm a council member.
00:33:00I can show you.
00:33:01You should watch
00:33:01my content.
00:33:02So I went there.
00:33:04We're talking gates.
00:33:05We're talking
00:33:06background checks
00:33:07with IDs
00:33:07and everything.
00:33:08I'm in
00:33:09the nerve center,
00:33:10the offices.
00:33:11You went to
00:33:11the Pentagon
00:33:12of the
00:33:12indigenous people.
00:33:14Totally.
00:33:14Right.
00:33:16And
00:33:16I'm like,
00:33:18this is the most
00:33:18by the book
00:33:19thing I've ever
00:33:19done with video
00:33:20making.
00:33:21I'm like,
00:33:21totally official here.
00:33:22Actually feel like
00:33:23press.
00:33:23Yeah,
00:33:23I've got credentials.
00:33:24Yeah,
00:33:24it's like I'm
00:33:25doing all the
00:33:26right things.
00:33:28This woman
00:33:29takes me out.
00:33:29We show the tribe.
00:33:30We show the world.
00:33:31It was very much
00:33:32a North Korean tour
00:33:33as in everything.
00:33:34Just showed the good
00:33:35for the most part.
00:33:38And
00:33:38I got a call
00:33:40from their attorney
00:33:41right after that
00:33:42thing posted.
00:33:43They wanted that
00:33:44down
00:33:45immediately.
00:33:47He said
00:33:47something along
00:33:48the lines
00:33:49of
00:33:49are you
00:33:50familiar
00:33:51with the
00:33:51case we
00:33:52disclosed
00:33:52with Wells
00:33:53Fargo?
00:33:54I believe
00:33:55I forget
00:33:56how much
00:33:56they won.
00:33:57It was
00:33:57something like
00:33:59800 million
00:33:59or something.
00:34:01And I'm like,
00:34:01no,
00:34:01but congratulations
00:34:02on that.
00:34:03He's like,
00:34:03well,
00:34:04we're going to need
00:34:05that video.
00:34:05That's a little
00:34:06bit of a flex.
00:34:07It's the equivalent
00:34:08of North Korea
00:34:08showing their
00:34:09ballistic missiles
00:34:09on a parade.
00:34:11Total flex.
00:34:12And my law team
00:34:13wasn't going to
00:34:13fight with theirs
00:34:14because I have
00:34:15one person
00:34:16that I can
00:34:16call.
00:34:16That's not
00:34:17going to deal
00:34:17with those
00:34:17three sources.
00:34:19No,
00:34:19they have
00:34:20billions of
00:34:22dollars.
00:34:22And those
00:34:24things.
00:34:24So what I'm
00:34:25saying is it's
00:34:26so widely
00:34:27varied.
00:34:27You can go to
00:34:28Pine Ridge,
00:34:29it's the poorest
00:34:30native res in the
00:34:30country where it
00:34:32looks poor and
00:34:32it looks rough.
00:34:33And then you
00:34:34have on the
00:34:34other end of
00:34:35the spectrum,
00:34:36the Seminoles
00:34:36who are fantastic
00:34:38capitalists that
00:34:39figured out the
00:34:40game really well.
00:34:41And I believe,
00:34:43and I don't know
00:34:44exactly the
00:34:45number,
00:34:46but it's like
00:34:46128,000 per
00:34:49kid every year.
00:34:51What?
00:34:53So they all
00:34:53revenue that
00:34:54they're distributing?
00:34:55Yeah.
00:34:56So they come out
00:34:57of high school
00:34:57all millionaires.
00:34:59Now, I don't
00:35:00know the,
00:35:01I don't want to
00:35:01get myself in
00:35:02trouble on the
00:35:02exact number
00:35:03because it
00:35:04changes hard
00:35:04information to
00:35:05get.
00:35:06But there's
00:35:07that end of
00:35:07the spectrum
00:35:08and then there's
00:35:09the other
00:35:11end of the
00:35:11spectrum.
00:35:12So that's my
00:35:13point about
00:35:13America.
00:35:15The more you
00:35:16go deep,
00:35:16the more you
00:35:17go granular,
00:35:18it's complicated
00:35:18and there's so
00:35:19much rad
00:35:20stuff here.
00:35:20You really
00:35:21don't know
00:35:22what's going
00:35:22on because
00:35:23you're busy
00:35:23in your own
00:35:23life.
00:35:24We all
00:35:24are doing
00:35:25your own
00:35:25thing and
00:35:27it gives
00:35:28a lifetime
00:35:29of discovery.
00:35:32It's crazy
00:35:32that,
00:35:33you know,
00:35:34it's easy to,
00:35:34can you chat
00:35:35GPT?
00:35:35How many
00:35:36Americans have
00:35:37got a passport
00:35:37for me,
00:35:38Jared?
00:35:38I'm pretty
00:35:38sure it's
00:35:39like only
00:35:4060% of
00:35:40Americans have
00:35:41got a
00:35:41passport.
00:35:4160?
00:35:42Yeah,
00:35:42I think so.
00:35:44And it's
00:35:45easy,
00:35:45as you said
00:35:46before,
00:35:46you can be
00:35:46judgmental
00:35:47about that.
00:35:47Think about
00:35:47how big
00:35:48the world
00:35:48is and
00:35:49by virtue
00:35:50of being
00:35:50unable or
00:35:51unwilling to
00:35:52get the
00:35:52credentials to
00:35:53be able to
00:35:53travel,
00:35:53you can't
00:35:54travel,
00:35:54but without
00:35:56leaving the
00:35:56country,
00:35:57you guys
00:35:58have got
00:35:58more than
00:35:5850 countries
00:35:59inside of
00:36:01here.
00:36:01But half
00:36:02of Americans
00:36:02have a valid
00:36:03passport.
00:36:03State Department
00:36:04estimated
00:36:0451%,
00:36:05170 million
00:36:06people in
00:36:07late 2024.
00:36:08That is
00:36:10fucking
00:36:11insane.
00:36:12You got to
00:36:12think though,
00:36:13half the
00:36:14population does
00:36:15not have the
00:36:16money to go
00:36:16anywhere.
00:36:17Or the time,
00:36:18even if you
00:36:18had some of
00:36:19the money,
00:36:20the time that
00:36:21you would need
00:36:21to take off
00:36:22in order to be
00:36:22able to travel
00:36:23without your
00:36:23obligations for
00:36:24Thanksgiving and
00:36:24Christmas and
00:36:25all that.
00:36:26travel.
00:36:26It makes total
00:36:27sense.
00:36:27I don't get it.
00:36:28I do.
00:36:29I'm a big
00:36:30proponent of
00:36:30travel, for
00:36:31sure.
00:36:32But you don't
00:36:32actually need to
00:36:33leave the
00:36:33country.
00:36:34In a way,
00:36:35yes and no.
00:36:35You can
00:36:36constantly learn
00:36:37and discover,
00:36:38and every
00:36:38state has its
00:36:38own identity.
00:36:39Being in
00:36:40Texas this
00:36:40time, it's
00:36:41like its own
00:36:42country, for
00:36:42sure.
00:36:43The big
00:36:43states in
00:36:44America,
00:36:44California,
00:36:45New York,
00:36:46Texas,
00:36:46Florida, with
00:36:47big populations,
00:36:48they have
00:36:49their own gravity
00:36:50to them.
00:36:51What's the
00:36:54poorest place
00:36:55that you
00:36:55visited in
00:36:55America?
00:36:59Technically,
00:36:59well, I
00:37:00would say two
00:37:00regions really
00:37:01stand out.
00:37:02We're talking
00:37:02wide regions.
00:37:05Central
00:37:05Appalachia,
00:37:06so that's
00:37:07like West
00:37:08Virginia area,
00:37:09Eastern
00:37:09Kentucky.
00:37:11It's out
00:37:11there.
00:37:11You got to
00:37:12check that
00:37:12out.
00:37:13Great
00:37:13people, but
00:37:14poor.
00:37:15Mississippi
00:37:15Delta would
00:37:16be the
00:37:16other big
00:37:16region.
00:37:19Those two
00:37:19sort of
00:37:21left behind.
00:37:22You don't
00:37:22know U.S.
00:37:23cultural
00:37:23context.
00:37:23You're
00:37:24saying, I
00:37:25think it's
00:37:25changing a
00:37:26little, but
00:37:26back in
00:37:27the day,
00:37:27the butt
00:37:28of any
00:37:28joke would
00:37:29be like
00:37:29the West
00:37:29Virginia
00:37:30hillbilly.
00:37:32Looked
00:37:32out upon
00:37:32with
00:37:33Hollywood.
00:37:34It's
00:37:34where a
00:37:35lot of
00:37:36the
00:37:36industry,
00:37:36the
00:37:37coal
00:37:37came
00:37:37from
00:37:38to
00:37:38build
00:37:38this
00:37:39country.
00:37:39You
00:37:40have
00:37:40those
00:37:40regions
00:37:40in
00:37:41the
00:37:41UK
00:37:41too.
00:37:42We
00:37:42do.
00:37:43But
00:37:43you
00:37:43don't
00:37:43have
00:37:43the
00:37:43room.
00:37:44The
00:37:44thing
00:37:44that's
00:37:45fascinating
00:37:45watching
00:37:45your
00:37:45videos
00:37:46is
00:37:46just
00:37:47how
00:37:47much
00:37:47fucking
00:37:47space
00:37:48there
00:37:48is.
00:37:49When you
00:37:49talk
00:37:49about
00:37:50forgotten
00:37:50areas,
00:37:51lost
00:37:52towns,
00:37:54I don't
00:37:54know how
00:37:54much can
00:37:55be
00:37:55forgotten
00:37:55in a
00:37:56place
00:37:56that's
00:37:56got
00:37:5610
00:37:57times
00:37:57the
00:37:57population
00:37:58density
00:37:58of the
00:37:59U.S.
00:38:00We've
00:38:00got 50
00:38:02million
00:38:02people
00:38:02versus
00:38:04330,
00:38:06350
00:38:06or
00:38:06whatever
00:38:07is
00:38:07over
00:38:07here.
00:38:08But
00:38:08the
00:38:09land
00:38:09mass
00:38:09is
00:38:09so
00:38:10much
00:38:10smaller
00:38:11than
00:38:11the
00:38:11amount
00:38:12of
00:38:12people
00:38:12are
00:38:12smaller.
00:38:12It's
00:38:1310
00:38:13times
00:38:13denser.
00:38:14So
00:38:14everyone's
00:38:15on top
00:38:15of
00:38:15each
00:38:15other.
00:38:16You
00:38:16don't
00:38:16drive
00:38:17for
00:38:17that
00:38:17long
00:38:18without
00:38:21seeing
00:38:21something
00:38:22that
00:38:22looks
00:38:22like
00:38:22a
00:38:22hub.
00:38:23On
00:38:24the
00:38:24road
00:38:24trips
00:38:24that
00:38:24I've
00:38:24done
00:38:24around
00:38:25America,
00:38:25it
00:38:25is
00:38:26barren
00:38:27for
00:38:28huge
00:38:29periods
00:38:29of
00:38:29time.
00:38:30And
00:38:30then
00:38:30there's
00:38:30some
00:38:32farm
00:38:32that
00:38:33comes
00:38:33past
00:38:33or
00:38:33just
00:38:33some
00:38:34caravan
00:38:37park,
00:38:38mobile
00:38:38home,
00:38:39we would
00:38:39call it
00:38:39in
00:38:39the
00:38:39UK,
00:38:40with
00:38:42shit
00:38:43tons
00:38:43of
00:38:43trucks.
00:38:44There's
00:38:44a
00:38:44random
00:38:44tractor
00:38:45there,
00:38:45some
00:38:45guy's
00:38:45got a
00:38:46bike
00:38:46that's
00:38:46just
00:38:46in
00:38:47parts,
00:38:47and then
00:38:48it just
00:38:49leaves,
00:38:49and then
00:38:49something
00:38:50else
00:38:50comes up.
00:38:51So yeah,
00:38:52forgotten
00:38:52towns,
00:38:53I think
00:38:54the opportunity
00:38:55for that to
00:38:56happen in
00:38:56America is
00:38:57much higher,
00:38:58because you
00:38:59don't just
00:38:59have this
00:39:00sort of
00:39:00stumbling
00:39:00effect,
00:39:01you really
00:39:02can be
00:39:02incredibly
00:39:03detached,
00:39:04detachment
00:39:05and detachment
00:39:05would lead
00:39:05to
00:39:05alienation,
00:39:06and then
00:39:07that's
00:39:08going to
00:39:08really
00:39:09start to
00:39:09drive down
00:39:12your ability
00:39:12to be
00:39:15integrated
00:39:15with the
00:39:16rest of
00:39:16the country.
00:39:18Yeah,
00:39:18good point.
00:39:19Out there
00:39:19in Appalachia,
00:39:21I mean,
00:39:22there are
00:39:22coal jobs
00:39:22now,
00:39:23not as
00:39:24many as
00:39:24there were,
00:39:25but a lot
00:39:25of young
00:39:25people don't
00:39:26want to
00:39:26get into
00:39:26that,
00:39:27understandably
00:39:27so.
00:39:29you think
00:39:30about those
00:39:31guys,
00:39:32the inner
00:39:33city kid,
00:39:35like,
00:39:36living in
00:39:36the hood,
00:39:37the projects,
00:39:38has way
00:39:39more,
00:39:40okay,
00:39:40in theory,
00:39:42way more
00:39:42chance to
00:39:43tap into
00:39:44an economy,
00:39:45just because
00:39:46it's literally
00:39:46six subway
00:39:48stops away.
00:39:49Now you're
00:39:50going to have
00:39:50to pull up
00:39:50your pants,
00:39:51you're going
00:39:51to have to
00:39:51work hard,
00:39:52you're going
00:39:52to have to
00:39:53get the
00:39:55skills,
00:39:55but that
00:39:56opportunity
00:39:56is there
00:39:57where the
00:39:58kid out in
00:39:58the middle
00:39:59of
00:39:59Appalachia
00:40:00there's
00:40:01no real
00:40:01opportunity
00:40:02around to
00:40:03go get.
00:40:04What are
00:40:04people doing
00:40:05in these
00:40:06places in
00:40:06Appalachia?
00:40:07What do
00:40:07they do
00:40:07for work?
00:40:09There's a
00:40:09lot of
00:40:10drugs,
00:40:11unfortunately.
00:40:12Selling
00:40:12drugs.
00:40:13Using
00:40:14drugs,
00:40:14selling
00:40:14drugs,
00:40:15the
00:40:15full
00:40:15monte.
00:40:18I find
00:40:18it to be
00:40:19really
00:40:19extreme as
00:40:20in people
00:40:21are either
00:40:21working
00:40:21really
00:40:22hard and
00:40:22doing
00:40:22well
00:40:23for
00:40:23themselves,
00:40:24carrying
00:40:24along,
00:40:25or deep
00:40:27in the
00:40:27poverty
00:40:27and the
00:40:28drugs.
00:40:29Do you
00:40:31know of
00:40:31the
00:40:31Sackler
00:40:32family?
00:40:33The
00:40:33pill mills?
00:40:34Yes,
00:40:35yes,
00:40:35yes,
00:40:35yes.
00:40:35I've watched
00:40:36a million
00:40:36documentaries.
00:40:37So Oxycontin,
00:40:38that was
00:40:38sort of the
00:40:39testing ground
00:40:40because all
00:40:41of these
00:40:42coal miners,
00:40:43it's hard
00:40:44work,
00:40:44they'd be in
00:40:45a lot of
00:40:45pain.
00:40:46I met
00:40:46up with
00:40:46a fourth
00:40:47generation
00:40:48coal miner.
00:40:49He said
00:40:49he was
00:40:49one of the
00:40:50first one
00:40:50put on
00:40:51that
00:40:51medication,
00:40:52on that
00:40:53drug,
00:40:54and it's
00:40:55highly
00:40:55addictive.
00:40:57And then
00:40:57when the
00:40:57jobs
00:40:58left
00:40:58town,
00:40:59a lot
00:40:59of
00:40:59them,
00:41:00well,
00:41:01the
00:41:01addiction
00:41:01became
00:41:01that
00:41:02much
00:41:02greater
00:41:02because
00:41:03your
00:41:04life's
00:41:04looking
00:41:04terrible
00:41:04and
00:41:05this
00:41:05thing
00:41:05feels
00:41:05great.
00:41:06It's not
00:41:06just the
00:41:07physical
00:41:07pain,
00:41:07it's the
00:41:07psychic
00:41:08pain.
00:41:08Psychic pain too.
00:41:09So there's
00:41:11still fallout
00:41:12of that.
00:41:12Now it
00:41:13got better
00:41:13with that
00:41:14and then
00:41:14fentanyl
00:41:15hit pretty
00:41:16hard around
00:41:17five,
00:41:18six years
00:41:18ago.
00:41:18The Chinese
00:41:19Oxycontin.
00:41:19Yeah,
00:41:20exactly.
00:41:22So I
00:41:25like to
00:41:26highlight the
00:41:27problems in
00:41:28this country.
00:41:29We have
00:41:29plenty of
00:41:30them.
00:41:30The good,
00:41:31the bad,
00:41:31the ugly
00:41:32though.
00:41:33A lot
00:41:34of positive
00:41:34stuff.
00:41:35I don't
00:41:35just go for
00:41:36the heavy,
00:41:36I don't just
00:41:37want to go
00:41:37for the crime
00:41:38and the
00:41:38drugs.
00:41:39Now these
00:41:40things need
00:41:40to be brought
00:41:41to the
00:41:41surface,
00:41:42but I want
00:41:42someone to
00:41:43see my
00:41:43YouTube
00:41:44channel,
00:41:45look at
00:41:45all the
00:41:46videos on
00:41:46it and be
00:41:46like,
00:41:47oh,
00:41:48that America
00:41:49place,
00:41:50that's pretty
00:41:50cool.
00:41:51Yeah,
00:41:52it's got
00:41:52its issues.
00:41:53I don't
00:41:54want to be
00:41:54online just
00:41:55being like
00:41:56full
00:41:57dopamine
00:41:58driven
00:41:59rage bait
00:42:00where they
00:42:01look at it
00:42:01and it's
00:42:01like,
00:42:02that's
00:42:02awful.
00:42:03There is
00:42:03a kind
00:42:03of tragedy
00:42:04porn
00:42:04that,
00:42:05you know,
00:42:06what's that
00:42:06area in
00:42:07Philly
00:42:07that's got
00:42:08Kensington.
00:42:08Kensington.
00:42:10And,
00:42:10you know,
00:42:10if you want
00:42:11to do a
00:42:11two million
00:42:13play vlog,
00:42:14you just go to
00:42:14Kensington and
00:42:15interview some
00:42:15people about how
00:42:16the legs falling
00:42:17off and no one
00:42:19really cares and I
00:42:20used this needle
00:42:20five times last
00:42:21week and
00:42:22everything's
00:42:22horrible.
00:42:23So Kensington,
00:42:24I wasn't going to
00:42:26shoot a Kensington
00:42:26story because
00:42:27it's been done so
00:42:28many times.
00:42:29Too trite.
00:42:30Yeah,
00:42:30I want to be on
00:42:31the front edge
00:42:32of things.
00:42:33I want to be
00:42:33able to see
00:42:33Russia.
00:42:34Yes.
00:42:35If I can't see
00:42:35Russia,
00:42:35it doesn't
00:42:36count.
00:42:36Exactly.
00:42:37But there's
00:42:39this guy,
00:42:39his name was
00:42:40Buddy.
00:42:41His name's
00:42:41Buddy.
00:42:42He's bringing
00:42:43kids off the
00:42:43street.
00:42:44He's got a
00:42:45boxing clinic and
00:42:48religious rehab and
00:42:51he's doing something
00:42:51good, trying to
00:42:52change it.
00:42:53So, okay, I want
00:42:54that story now because
00:42:56here's a big problem.
00:42:57Here's somewhat of a
00:42:58solution.
00:42:59Let's show that,
00:43:00like give a little
00:43:00hope in the thing.
00:43:01So I did that story
00:43:02two years ago.
00:43:04I can honestly
00:43:05say after being in
00:43:07the hoods of
00:43:09Karachi, Pakistan,
00:43:11in the slums of
00:43:12India, there's
00:43:13nowhere more
00:43:14disheartening than
00:43:15Kensington.
00:43:16No way.
00:43:17Fact.
00:43:18Because it is the
00:43:20on the fentanyl,
00:43:21on the trank,
00:43:22face down in the
00:43:24curb and we're
00:43:25just going to let
00:43:25this go.
00:43:26Yeah, so it's
00:43:27more disheartening
00:43:28because of the
00:43:30prevalence of drugs
00:43:31and that's the
00:43:32sort of
00:43:32hopelessness?
00:43:33Not necessarily
00:43:34it's the way we're
00:43:35dealing with it.
00:43:37So for me,
00:43:38compassion would
00:43:39be, hey, that
00:43:40guy's deep in on
00:43:41fent.
00:43:42He's not looking
00:43:43good.
00:43:45He's bleeding.
00:43:46There's a wound.
00:43:47Like we got it.
00:43:48We got to change
00:43:49it.
00:43:49We got to get, if I
00:43:50had the power, I'd
00:43:50be like, that guy
00:43:51needs to be brought
00:43:52off the street.
00:43:52Even if he doesn't
00:43:53want to go, the
00:43:56best thing for him
00:43:57would be going to
00:43:58rehab of some
00:43:59sort, a therapy.
00:44:01Nobody gets on
00:44:02fent because their
00:44:03life is great.
00:44:04Oh, I had a great
00:44:05day today.
00:44:05I'll go do some
00:44:06fent, right?
00:44:07It's because things
00:44:08are terrible.
00:44:09I mean, it is a
00:44:09Friday.
00:44:10You want to do
00:44:11some?
00:44:11Yeah, fuck it.
00:44:13Let's go to
00:44:136th Street and get
00:44:14some fent, dude.
00:44:15I'm sure it feels
00:44:15great.
00:44:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:17Until your leg
00:44:18falls off.
00:44:19But until you're on,
00:44:19and then you're on
00:44:20Kensington and it's
00:44:21not so great.
00:44:22Most people don't
00:44:23realize how much
00:44:24being dehydrated
00:44:25impacts their
00:44:26performance, which is
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00:45:17Here's the breakdown
00:45:18in the system.
00:45:19In many of these
00:45:20places, Skid Row in
00:45:22LA, the housing is
00:45:24there, but I've
00:45:26done videos there
00:45:27too, and a lot
00:45:29of these people,
00:45:30they like the
00:45:30adventure of the
00:45:31streets.
00:45:31They don't want to
00:45:32go into housing and
00:45:33not be on drugs or
00:45:34play by the rules.
00:45:36So we're at this
00:45:38weird point in
00:45:39different jurisdictions
00:45:40depending where
00:45:41you're at, where
00:45:42it's like if they
00:45:45can stay on the
00:45:46streets and no one
00:45:47can remove them,
00:45:48then it just, the
00:45:48problem gets worse.
00:45:49And so that's also
00:45:53with the ACLU, freedom
00:45:57in America, right?
00:45:58I'm free to choose
00:45:58how I want to live
00:45:59my life and how I
00:46:00want to be.
00:46:01And the law, when
00:46:04it's written up
00:46:05differently in
00:46:06different places or
00:46:07not enforced, doesn't
00:46:09allow for the system
00:46:12to really remedy the
00:46:13problem.
00:46:15Is fentanyl the
00:46:16biggest drug problem
00:46:17in America in your
00:46:17experience?
00:46:18Yes.
00:46:20Trank's pretty ugly
00:46:20too, but I'd say
00:46:21fentanyl and meth
00:46:22are the worst.
00:46:23But Trank, if the
00:46:25distribution can get
00:46:26there, will maybe be
00:46:27as bad or worse?
00:46:28Trank is awful
00:46:29because they'll get
00:46:30wounds.
00:46:32I was in Kensington,
00:46:33some guy was on
00:46:34Trank, he had wounds
00:46:34and there were just
00:46:35like, there were
00:46:36like flies festering
00:46:37on the wounds.
00:46:38People kind of
00:46:38decomposing while
00:46:40they're alive.
00:46:41Decomposing, yeah.
00:46:42So that's what I
00:46:43mean while it's
00:46:45poorer in India, for
00:46:46sure it's poorer in
00:46:47Pakistan.
00:46:48Like, we have
00:46:49resources here.
00:46:50But it's just the
00:46:51lack of humanity.
00:46:52Now, there are
00:46:53people like Buddy
00:46:54trying to help, but
00:46:56it's this hiccup
00:46:56where nobody can
00:46:57really solve the
00:46:59problem.
00:47:00Then there's harm
00:47:01reduction, which is
00:47:02bring needles out
00:47:03because the theory
00:47:05behind that is,
00:47:06give someone a
00:47:07fresh needle, they're
00:47:08not reusing and
00:47:09spreading disease.
00:47:12And I'd say on
00:47:14the argument for
00:47:15harm reduction from
00:47:16the people, it's
00:47:17really impossible to
00:47:17get in with them.
00:47:18I've tried.
00:47:20The argument is,
00:47:21hey, if we have
00:47:21someone coming into
00:47:22our facility using
00:47:23clean needles, then
00:47:24maybe we can get
00:47:25them into rehab.
00:47:26Maybe we can sell
00:47:27the rehab on
00:47:28them.
00:47:29But there is a
00:47:30homeless industrial
00:47:30complex in the
00:47:31country.
00:47:32There are a lot of
00:47:33people making a lot
00:47:33of money.
00:47:34Who's making
00:47:35money off homeless
00:47:35people?
00:47:36Okay, so there's
00:47:38a lot of housing
00:47:39involved with building
00:47:40out housing.
00:47:40How is the
00:47:41housing involved in
00:47:42homeless people?
00:47:43Yeah, isn't it
00:47:43wild?
00:47:44What do you mean?
00:47:45They're building in
00:47:46LA on Skid Row.
00:47:48Is this the
00:47:48fucking Bass Pro
00:47:49Shop selling
00:47:50tents?
00:47:50Like, what is
00:47:51this?
00:47:52They give out
00:47:53tents.
00:47:53There's some
00:47:54grift.
00:47:54Okay.
00:47:55Okay, there'll be
00:47:56money to give out
00:47:56tents.
00:47:57But there is
00:47:58housing that is
00:48:00very expensive
00:48:00housing in Los
00:48:01Angeles built for
00:48:03homeless people.
00:48:04Okay.
00:48:05It's a little bit
00:48:06of an oxymoron,
00:48:06but go on.
00:48:07It is, yeah.
00:48:08So there's that
00:48:09grift.
00:48:09There's a lot of
00:48:10NGOs that get
00:48:11money from
00:48:12different
00:48:13organizations,
00:48:14from the state,
00:48:15from the feds,
00:48:15to sort of
00:48:16remedy the
00:48:17problem, and the
00:48:18problem's not
00:48:18necessarily being
00:48:19remedied.
00:48:22I mean, I saw
00:48:23living in San
00:48:23Francisco.
00:48:24The tenderloin has
00:48:25always been bad.
00:48:27Have you ever
00:48:27been there?
00:48:28Oh.
00:48:29I'm not selling you
00:48:30on America, Chris,
00:48:31am I?
00:48:32We're going on
00:48:33how my channel's
00:48:34not all dark, and
00:48:34I just keep going
00:48:35into the drugstore.
00:48:36That's okay.
00:48:37That's okay.
00:48:38I mean, dude, I've
00:48:39walked through SF.
00:48:41When did we do
00:48:41Naval?
00:48:43Last March, and
00:48:45that was the first
00:48:46time.
00:48:46I'd been to SF for
00:48:47Michaela Peterson's
00:48:48wedding, and then I
00:48:50hadn't seen the city
00:48:51at all, and then I
00:48:52went to go and do the
00:48:53Naval episode, and we
00:48:54were walking through
00:48:54the financial district.
00:48:56There's this huge
00:48:56fuck-off equinox,
00:48:57equinox, and it's an
00:49:00old bank.
00:49:01You've got these crazy
00:49:02steps up to the front
00:49:03of it.
00:49:03We wanted to get a
00:49:04training session in
00:49:05before we were going
00:49:06to go and film, and
00:49:08it was closed on a
00:49:10fucking Saturday.
00:49:11It is so driven.
00:49:14The Cosmopolis in
00:49:15the middle of SF is
00:49:16so driven by this
00:49:18group of people that
00:49:20do the nine-to-five
00:49:21or the nine-to-nine
00:49:23or whatever, that it's
00:49:25closed on a weekend.
00:49:26And we thought, oh,
00:49:27there's another one
00:49:28two miles away.
00:49:30I'm going to get a
00:49:30walk-in.
00:49:31I want to walk.
00:49:31I want to see the
00:49:32city.
00:49:32And as you walk
00:49:34from one equinox to
00:49:36another, you just very
00:49:38quickly see the
00:49:40financial district fall
00:49:41away and the human
00:49:43feces begin.
00:49:45And it's so, to me,
00:49:48it's how stark it is.
00:49:50And this seems to be
00:49:50one of the sort of
00:49:51through lines.
00:49:52I know you did this
00:49:53thing in the Hamptons,
00:49:54which I thought was
00:49:55fucking fascinating.
00:49:57It's not just across
00:49:59the country how big the
00:50:00inequality can be.
00:50:01It's within very small
00:50:03spaces.
00:50:04It's when you walk
00:50:05three blocks difference
00:50:06and it feels like you're
00:50:08in a different city.
00:50:10Yeah.
00:50:11To be fair, San
00:50:12Francisco has gotten
00:50:13better.
00:50:14We left in 21, my
00:50:15wife and I.
00:50:16It's gotten better since
00:50:17there.
00:50:18New mayor, new DA.
00:50:20It's cleaned up a bit.
00:50:22Things are always
00:50:22changing.
00:50:23But yeah, to me, it's
00:50:25unacceptable.
00:50:26And that's why I try to
00:50:27highlight these
00:50:28socioeconomic differences
00:50:29too, like what you're
00:50:30saying.
00:50:31Not to do the tragedy
00:50:32porn thing, but to say,
00:50:33hey, this is what we can
00:50:34fix.
00:50:34Yeah.
00:50:35And it's not necessarily
00:50:35a solution I'm offering.
00:50:37It's just showing.
00:50:40The book, I don't, I
00:50:42don't, can I, can I talk
00:50:43about the book?
00:50:44Dude, where should people
00:50:45go to read this amazing
00:50:46fucking memoir that you
00:50:48put together?
00:50:48Okay, your fellow
00:50:49Americans, and I'm going
00:50:51to put you in that
00:50:51basket, Chris.
00:50:52Is that cool?
00:50:53Perfectly.
00:50:54I'll cut, because you've
00:50:55embraced the country, the
00:50:56country's embraced you.
00:50:57Private Camaro.
00:50:58You do?
00:50:58Yeah.
00:50:59Oh, nice.
00:51:0080s?
00:51:00Oh, no, new one.
00:51:02Scumbag.
00:51:02Sorry.
00:51:03Okay.
00:51:03No, scumbag is 80s.
00:51:05Oh, okay.
00:51:06Fair enough.
00:51:06Doing burnouts.
00:51:07I'm elevated hick, I
00:51:09think.
00:51:09Okay, so it's a lot of
00:51:12the content from the
00:51:13channel, a lot of the
00:51:14backstory.
00:51:15So much happens when
00:51:16the power button's
00:51:17off.
00:51:18In Amish country,
00:51:21shooting a series, like
00:51:22everything, it's
00:51:23nuanced, it's complicated.
00:51:26The Amish have the
00:51:26Schwartzentrumers, which
00:51:28are the most
00:51:29conservative.
00:51:29You'd think of the
00:51:30Schwartzentrumers when
00:51:31you think of Amish.
00:51:32No phone, no
00:51:33electricity.
00:51:34It has the beachy.
00:51:36Those would be the
00:51:36most liberal.
00:51:38They drive around.
00:51:39Okay?
00:51:40What makes them
00:51:40Amish?
00:51:43Yeah, you don't
00:51:44really get a plaque or
00:51:45anything.
00:51:46I guess you just say,
00:51:47I'm Amish, and you
00:51:48play the game, as
00:51:49in, have you seen how
00:51:50they cut their beards?
00:51:52Yes.
00:51:52Right?
00:51:53Yes.
00:51:53Like, you wouldn't be
00:51:54able to be Amish
00:51:55looking like you're
00:51:56looking, or me like
00:51:57I'm looking.
00:51:57Okay.
00:51:58Be unacceptable.
00:51:59Yep.
00:51:59But you're part of
00:52:01the church, you're part
00:52:02of the Amish church, you
00:52:03live by their ways, and-
00:52:05But you also have
00:52:06some technology.
00:52:07Depending on the
00:52:08type of Amish.
00:52:09Yep.
00:52:09Yep.
00:52:09Okay, so in the
00:52:10book, stuff like, I'm
00:52:14in an Airbnb in the
00:52:15countryside, Amish country,
00:52:16cats are meowing
00:52:17outside, I don't know
00:52:18why there are cats
00:52:19outside, but I go out
00:52:20to feed them, door
00:52:22closes behind, I'm in
00:52:25my underwear, sun's
00:52:26coming up, go to open
00:52:28the door, oh shoot, my
00:52:30phone's inside, code is
00:52:32on my phone, I gotta
00:52:34shoot a video, I hear
00:52:35the hooves coming down
00:52:37the road, the steel
00:52:38wheels of the
00:52:39carriages, the Amish
00:52:40are coming, the Amish
00:52:41are coming.
00:52:42and I'm in my
00:52:43underwear, like one of
00:52:44those dudes with a
00:52:45metallic blanket, you
00:52:46know, I'm reflecting
00:52:47pasty white to the
00:52:48world.
00:52:49And so there are two
00:52:50questions in my head, I
00:52:52mean, there's two ways
00:52:54to go about this.
00:52:56I walk to the most
00:52:57conservative Amish
00:52:59people's house, the
00:53:00Schwarzen Troopers, in
00:53:01my underwear, bald,
00:53:04naked, pretty much, you
00:53:06know, pass their kids
00:53:07and say, hey, can you
00:53:09help me get into this
00:53:09house, or I gotta break
00:53:11through the window of
00:53:14the house where I'm
00:53:14staying, and so I throw
00:53:16a big rock through the
00:53:17window.
00:53:18Why?
00:53:19You would too.
00:53:20Why?
00:53:20Are they scary?
00:53:22Just think, I mean,
00:53:24you're a ripped, good
00:53:25looking guy, but even
00:53:27you, showing up to an
00:53:28Amish home, some of the
00:53:30most conservative
00:53:31people.
00:53:32You think you'd get
00:53:32shot?
00:53:33What would happen?
00:53:33No, they wouldn't
00:53:34shoot you, it would
00:53:35just go wrong, I
00:53:36think.
00:53:37I don't think it
00:53:37would go well.
00:53:38Okay.
00:53:38It'd be so out
00:53:39there.
00:53:40I imagine news doesn't
00:53:40travel that fast in the
00:53:41Amish world, though.
00:53:42It does.
00:53:43Okay.
00:53:43They're like aspen
00:53:44trees, they're all
00:53:45connected.
00:53:45Okay.
00:53:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:46Seriously.
00:53:47They know what's
00:53:48going on.
00:53:49They're more
00:53:50connected than we
00:53:50are.
00:53:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:52Faster than the
00:53:52internet.
00:53:54So, call the people,
00:53:56obviously, hey, sorry, I
00:53:57broke your window, I'll
00:53:58replace it, and
00:53:58whatnot.
00:53:59There's a lot of that
00:54:00stuff behind the
00:54:01scenes of video
00:54:02making, which, when
00:54:04the cameras are off, the
00:54:05thoughts that come
00:54:06through, what I've
00:54:06learned on the
00:54:07journey, and also,
00:54:08how I started into
00:54:10this after high
00:54:10school, taking a road
00:54:11trip across the
00:54:12country, and a lot of
00:54:14historical context in
00:54:15there, and just an
00:54:16overall pro, got it,
00:54:19we're in difficult
00:54:21times, a lot of doom
00:54:23and gloom.
00:54:24You can get that all
00:54:24day long on the
00:54:25internet, or turn on
00:54:26the TV.
00:54:27Here's a space to go,
00:54:30that being the book, or
00:54:31the audio book.
00:54:32You can open up 10
00:54:34separate chapters, easy
00:54:36to read, they're all
00:54:37separate on their own, and
00:54:39smile about America, and
00:54:41learn something, and
00:54:42connect with your
00:54:43fellow Americans.
00:54:44So, the publisher
00:54:45reached out, because they
00:54:47saw the channel, and
00:54:48they're like, do you
00:54:48want to do something off
00:54:50your channel?
00:54:52They're thinking to
00:54:53zag while everyone is
00:54:54zigging right now.
00:54:55There's a lot of
00:54:55heaviness, a lot of doom
00:54:57and gloom in the
00:54:57country.
00:54:58They're just thinking
00:54:59the Western world
00:54:59overall, maybe all the
00:55:01world, I don't know.
00:55:03They're trying to think
00:55:04front lines, hey, how
00:55:05can we go the opposite
00:55:06direction here?
00:55:07And that's what my
00:55:08book is.
00:55:09Nice, wholesome.
00:55:10Yeah, I'd like to
00:55:11think so.
00:55:12I get in a little
00:55:12heaviness, but not too
00:55:13bad.
00:55:14It's mostly uplifting,
00:55:15positive.
00:55:16Give me some more
00:55:16stories about the
00:55:17Amish.
00:55:20Okay, here's one for
00:55:21you.
00:55:22You'll like this, being
00:55:23English.
00:55:25I'm English, too, in
00:55:26the Amish world.
00:55:28Everyone here is
00:55:29English.
00:55:30Anyone that's not
00:55:31Amish is English?
00:55:32100%.
00:55:33Including the
00:55:33Japanese?
00:55:34Black, Japanese,
00:55:35female, you're
00:55:36English.
00:55:37Oh, that's
00:55:37fantastic.
00:55:38You're not them,
00:55:38you're English.
00:55:39Dude, and they
00:55:40said that the
00:55:40Imperial colony had
00:55:41died.
00:55:42No, we're still
00:55:43going strong in the
00:55:44Amish.
00:55:45Go fuck yourself.
00:55:45So you're
00:55:46English, I'm
00:55:47English.
00:55:47Yes, and
00:55:48Italian,
00:55:49apparently.
00:55:50Old order
00:55:50Amish can't
00:55:52drive, but they're
00:55:53out in the
00:55:54countryside.
00:55:54They need rides
00:55:55really bad.
00:55:57Okay, so I
00:55:58meet this guy, his
00:55:59name's Marcus.
00:56:00I'm like, Marcus, I'm
00:56:02making videos, and
00:56:03he's like, hey, I
00:56:05can bring you into
00:56:06my buddies, my old
00:56:08geezer buddies, playing
00:56:09shuffleboard in an
00:56:10Amish barn, out in
00:56:12the sticks.
00:56:13I'm like, man, that's
00:56:14going to be cool.
00:56:16I got to drive an
00:56:17hour to Marcus.
00:56:18It's another 45
00:56:19minutes to his
00:56:19buddies.
00:56:20I go to Marcus'
00:56:21place, pick him
00:56:22up.
00:56:22Oh, howdy, Peter.
00:56:23How you doing?
00:56:24Hang on, so he's
00:56:24okay to get in a
00:56:26car, but not to
00:56:27drive a car.
00:56:28He can't drive.
00:56:28He needs English to
00:56:30drive.
00:56:31English, you have to
00:56:32drive.
00:56:32So this is like
00:56:33Shabbat a little
00:56:34bit for Jewish
00:56:35people.
00:56:35It's like, we
00:56:36can't turn on or
00:56:37off the light, but
00:56:38if we've got
00:56:38somebody else that
00:56:39can turn the
00:56:39light on or
00:56:39off.
00:56:40I did a video on
00:56:41that too.
00:56:42I got in
00:56:42Shabbat.
00:56:43But okay, so
00:56:44pick Marcus up.
00:56:46About halfway
00:56:47through the drive, I'm
00:56:48thinking, great time
00:56:49to start the
00:56:49video.
00:56:50Rolling Hills,
00:56:50Holmes County,
00:56:51Ohio, beautiful.
00:56:52Marcus is a
00:56:53character.
00:56:54I bring out the
00:56:55camera.
00:56:55I'm like, he's
00:56:56like, what are you
00:56:56doing?
00:56:57I'm like, I'm just
00:56:58going to start the
00:56:58video.
00:56:58He's like, I
00:57:00don't know.
00:57:02Let's not do that
00:57:02right now.
00:57:04So I'm reading the
00:57:04room.
00:57:04Okay, cool.
00:57:06Go to the event
00:57:06with the shuffle
00:57:07board.
00:57:09Feeling it out
00:57:09with his guys,
00:57:10characters, great
00:57:11scene, a lot of
00:57:12yelling.
00:57:12They're speaking
00:57:13Pennsylvania and
00:57:14Dutch.
00:57:15What the fuck is
00:57:16that?
00:57:16Which is their
00:57:17language.
00:57:18It's like a
00:57:19form of German.
00:57:20Yeah, that's
00:57:21their native
00:57:22language.
00:57:23They call it
00:57:24Dutch, not to do
00:57:25with the
00:57:25Netherlands, but
00:57:26like Deutsch.
00:57:28Where did that
00:57:29come from?
00:57:29Came from the
00:57:30motherland, from
00:57:31Europe.
00:57:31Right.
00:57:32They came to
00:57:33the U.S.
00:57:34to flee
00:57:35religious
00:57:35persecution.
00:57:37Persecution.
00:57:39And William Penn
00:57:40in Pennsylvania
00:57:41said, hey, come
00:57:41on over.
00:57:42You guys are
00:57:42great with the
00:57:43land.
00:57:43You're great
00:57:43with farming.
00:57:44And they
00:57:45could live to
00:57:45their own
00:57:46tune in
00:57:46America.
00:57:47There are a
00:57:48lot of
00:57:48carve-outs for
00:57:49them.
00:57:50And that's a
00:57:51part of my
00:57:51book.
00:57:52Neither here nor
00:57:53there.
00:57:54People in
00:57:54America, Chicanos,
00:57:55Amish, Siberian,
00:57:56Yupik, who are
00:57:57American, but
00:57:58living in their
00:57:59own universes.
00:58:00Okay, so get
00:58:02the event.
00:58:03I'm not feeling
00:58:04the vibe.
00:58:04I got to feel
00:58:05the vibe.
00:58:06And ends up I
00:58:07don't shoot a
00:58:08video.
00:58:09And then I
00:58:10try.
00:58:10I'm a little bit
00:58:11confused, but
00:58:12whatever.
00:58:12I'm just going
00:58:13with it.
00:58:13Drive Marcus home,
00:58:1445 minutes.
00:58:15Drive back to
00:58:16my place an
00:58:16hour.
00:58:17I tell an
00:58:17Amish guy a
00:58:18couple days
00:58:18later, he's
00:58:19like, oh,
00:58:19yeah, he
00:58:20totally played
00:58:21you.
00:58:22The Amish
00:58:23bum rides
00:58:23from English.
00:58:25And he just
00:58:26roped you in.
00:58:27He wasn't going
00:58:28to do a video.
00:58:28He finessed you.
00:58:29He was doing
00:58:29no video with
00:58:30you.
00:58:32And I laughed.
00:58:33I thought it
00:58:33was great.
00:58:34You thought that
00:58:34it was on you,
00:58:35that you hadn't
00:58:36maybe made
00:58:37everyone feel as
00:58:37comfortable as
00:58:38you should have
00:58:38done, but the
00:58:39video was never
00:58:39on the table.
00:58:40It was never
00:58:41there.
00:58:43You see, you
00:58:44look at the
00:58:44Amish and you
00:58:45say that's
00:58:45primitive technology,
00:58:46but you just
00:58:47got completely
00:58:48schmoozed by
00:58:49him.
00:58:49Schmoozed.
00:58:49Yeah.
00:58:50And before the
00:58:51pandemic, I did
00:58:52these videos, like
00:58:54right around the
00:58:54beginning of the
00:58:55pandemic.
00:58:56Oh, no, in the
00:58:57beginning, it was
00:58:57like, everyone was
00:58:58like, oh, the
00:58:59Amish left
00:59:00behind.
00:59:02They're not
00:59:03keeping up.
00:59:04That would suck
00:59:04to be them.
00:59:05Then the pandemic
00:59:06happens.
00:59:06Everyone's like,
00:59:07I want some of
00:59:08that.
00:59:09They're making
00:59:09their own food,
00:59:10hanging out
00:59:11together in the
00:59:11countryside.
00:59:12Not worried
00:59:13about a thing.
00:59:15So, the book
00:59:16gets into those
00:59:17stories, just
00:59:17like the videos.
00:59:18What about the
00:59:19intense Jewish
00:59:20communities that
00:59:21you've been to
00:59:21see?
00:59:22Yeah, the
00:59:22Hasidics.
00:59:23And again,
00:59:24they're different
00:59:24sects.
00:59:25You have the
00:59:25Satmars would
00:59:26be the most
00:59:27conservative.
00:59:28And then you
00:59:28have the
00:59:29Labavich, which
00:59:30I did a Shabbat
00:59:31dinner with.
00:59:32We had to get
00:59:32approval from
00:59:34the rabbis for
00:59:36me to get in
00:59:36there and shoot
00:59:37that video.
00:59:39The wife
00:59:39shops at
00:59:40Gucci.
00:59:41So, you
00:59:43have Gucci
00:59:43too, so
00:59:44conservative, it's
00:59:46like the most
00:59:46Spartan living.
00:59:47Homespun.
00:59:49Yeah, in
00:59:49Brooklyn.
00:59:52In like the
00:59:53center of
00:59:54urban America.
00:59:56So, that's
00:59:56fascinating.
00:59:58Look, I think
00:59:59Shabbat's cool.
01:00:00I think
01:00:01Shabbat's cool.
01:00:02I totally
01:00:02respect that.
01:00:03I think it's
01:00:04awesome.
01:00:05We did a
01:00:05guy that does
01:00:07the ads for
01:00:08my show,
01:00:08Sky, one of
01:00:09my best
01:00:09friends, had
01:00:10his bachelor
01:00:12party a
01:00:13couple of
01:00:13years ago.
01:00:14He decided
01:00:14to do it
01:00:15in Houston.
01:00:17He likes
01:00:18Asian food,
01:00:21Asian culture,
01:00:22and that
01:00:23was it for
01:00:24the theme
01:00:25for the
01:00:25weekend.
01:00:26We did
01:00:27Shabbat on
01:00:28the Friday
01:00:29evening.
01:00:30I want
01:00:30everyone to
01:00:31kind of
01:00:31be here
01:00:31in the
01:00:32moment.
01:00:32I want
01:00:32everyone
01:00:33phones away.
01:00:34We'll do
01:00:34food.
01:00:36So, I'm
01:00:36like, I've
01:00:36never done
01:00:37this before.
01:00:39I guess
01:00:39it's secular
01:00:40Shabbat, you
01:00:40could call it.
01:00:41It's basically
01:00:42just don't use
01:00:42your fucking
01:00:43phone for
01:00:43Friday evening
01:00:44and we'll
01:00:44eat some
01:00:44food.
01:00:45Food
01:00:46arrives and
01:00:47he got
01:00:47two pounds
01:00:48of crawfish.
01:00:49I'm like,
01:00:50that definitely
01:00:51doesn't fucking
01:00:52work.
01:00:53Also,
01:00:54there's 25
01:00:54of us and
01:00:55you got two
01:00:56pounds of
01:00:56crawfish.
01:00:57That's like
01:00:57100 grams
01:00:59of edible
01:00:59food.
01:01:00So,
01:01:01immediately I
01:01:01broke Shabbat,
01:01:02got my phone
01:01:02out and
01:01:02ordered pizza
01:01:03for everybody.
01:01:04I don't give
01:01:05a fuck about
01:01:05this thing.
01:01:07But we did
01:01:08that and we
01:01:09did a
01:01:09Jeffersonian
01:01:10dinner where
01:01:12you have a
01:01:13single question
01:01:13and you're
01:01:14sort of
01:01:14circling the
01:01:15room and I
01:01:16can see the
01:01:16allure of
01:01:17it.
01:01:17I really
01:01:17can.
01:01:18You know,
01:01:18an equivalent
01:01:18of a lot of
01:01:20people are
01:01:20doing a
01:01:20digital
01:01:20Sabbath now
01:01:21on a
01:01:22Sunday where
01:01:23okay,
01:01:23I'm just
01:01:23no screens
01:01:24for nine
01:01:25till nine
01:01:25on a
01:01:25Sunday.
01:01:27After
01:01:27coming back
01:01:28from a
01:01:28seven-day
01:01:29silent
01:01:29meditation
01:01:30retreat
01:01:30with no
01:01:30screens,
01:01:31having little
01:01:32doses of that
01:01:34I think make
01:01:35complete sense.
01:01:36So, you
01:01:36can do,
01:01:38regardless of
01:01:39whether you're
01:01:39religious or
01:01:39not or a
01:01:40part of the
01:01:40culture or
01:01:41not, I
01:01:41think that
01:01:41there's a
01:01:42lot of
01:01:43cultural
01:01:44technology,
01:01:45social technology
01:01:45that you can
01:01:46take and
01:01:47bring into
01:01:47your own
01:01:48life.
01:01:48why wouldn't
01:01:50you want
01:01:51to,
01:01:51yeah, maybe
01:01:52the light
01:01:52switch thing
01:01:53might be a
01:01:54little bit
01:01:54much, but
01:01:55okay, a
01:01:56period of
01:01:56the week
01:01:56where you
01:01:57don't think
01:01:57about work,
01:01:58a period of
01:01:59the week
01:01:59where you're
01:02:00just being
01:02:00present, a
01:02:01period of the
01:02:01week where
01:02:01you're away
01:02:02from screens,
01:02:03like, who
01:02:05thinks that
01:02:05that's a
01:02:05bad idea?
01:02:06Right.
01:02:07I'd like to
01:02:08get there.
01:02:10The
01:02:11Appalachia
01:02:11thing, just
01:02:12going back to
01:02:12that, I was
01:02:13watching a
01:02:14video of you
01:02:15speaking to
01:02:16some kid
01:02:16who had
01:02:17the most
01:02:17insane
01:02:18history
01:02:18knowledge.
01:02:19Yeah, right.
01:02:20Who was
01:02:21that kid?
01:02:21Because he
01:02:21was giving
01:02:22you an
01:02:23entire history
01:02:24lecture about
01:02:25the difference
01:02:25between the
01:02:26ancient Greeks
01:02:27and the
01:02:27ancient Romans
01:02:27and how he
01:02:28had beef
01:02:29with the
01:02:30ancient Romans
01:02:31because of
01:02:32this slaughter
01:02:33that they'd
01:02:34done in
01:02:34like 404
01:02:35A.D.
01:02:36I'm like,
01:02:36yo, if you're
01:02:37holding on to
01:02:38beef from
01:02:39the fucking
01:02:40like third
01:02:41century,
01:02:42that's very
01:02:44impressive.
01:02:45And he
01:02:46was like
01:02:4616 years
01:02:47old.
01:02:49Yeah, I
01:02:49that was, he
01:02:50was on the
01:02:50side of the
01:02:51road.
01:02:52I saw these
01:02:52guys fishing
01:02:53and that
01:02:55video is
01:02:56actually the
01:02:57best performing
01:02:58video on my
01:02:59channel.
01:03:00And I
01:03:00almost.
01:03:0034 million
01:03:01views is no
01:03:02joke.
01:03:02Yeah, and I
01:03:03almost, I
01:03:03almost didn't
01:03:04do it.
01:03:04I was like
01:03:04struggling to
01:03:05get it going.
01:03:06But that's
01:03:07one of those
01:03:07videos where I'm
01:03:08like, okay, I
01:03:08got a long
01:03:09road trip.
01:03:10Who I meet
01:03:11up with along
01:03:11the way and
01:03:12what happens
01:03:12with them
01:03:13determines if
01:03:14it's a good
01:03:14video or
01:03:15not.
01:03:16And you
01:03:17have to put
01:03:17your extroverted
01:03:18feeling out,
01:03:20sensing.
01:03:20So I see
01:03:21these kids
01:03:21off the
01:03:21side of
01:03:22the road,
01:03:22turn over,
01:03:23we get into
01:03:23a conversation
01:03:24and then he
01:03:25drops that.
01:03:26And he
01:03:26starts singing
01:03:26for me too.
01:03:28And his main
01:03:29point was he
01:03:30wanted to show
01:03:31the country that
01:03:33we're all not
01:03:34just drugs and
01:03:36alcoholics and
01:03:38coal miners.
01:03:39That we have,
01:03:40we have something
01:03:41more in us.
01:03:42sophistication as
01:03:43well.
01:03:43Yeah.
01:03:43And you
01:03:43realize that
01:03:44labels are
01:03:46simple and
01:03:47stereotyping,
01:03:48they exist for
01:03:49a reason,
01:03:50but you
01:03:51can't judge.
01:03:52I mean,
01:03:52if this work
01:03:54has taught me
01:03:54one thing is to
01:03:55judge less,
01:03:56like that guy
01:03:58was a gem.
01:04:00He was just
01:04:01dropping it.
01:04:02I couldn't keep
01:04:02up with him.
01:04:03I'm like,
01:04:03yeah, that sounds
01:04:04good because I
01:04:04didn't have that
01:04:06historical knowledge.
01:04:07Jared, you
01:04:08ever considered
01:04:09that you might
01:04:09have a drinking
01:04:09problem?
01:04:11I don't consider
01:04:11a lot, Chris.
01:04:12Well, you
01:04:13drank an entire
01:04:14case of Athletic
01:04:15Brewing Coke
01:04:16last night.
01:04:16But they're
01:04:17non-alcoholic.
01:04:19And that's
01:04:19not a problem?
01:04:21Sorry, man.
01:04:21I just kept
01:04:22chugging away
01:04:22for the regret
01:04:23to creep in.
01:04:24Never happened.
01:04:26See, most
01:04:27people, like
01:04:28Jared, don't
01:04:29want to change
01:04:29what they drink.
01:04:30They just don't
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01:05:07Bottoms up.
01:05:14What was
01:05:14that story
01:05:15in the
01:05:16Appalachian
01:05:16company town
01:05:18where some
01:05:18widow lady
01:05:20had to,
01:05:23had seven
01:05:23days to
01:05:24remarry or
01:05:24leave or
01:05:25something?
01:05:25Yeah.
01:05:27Well,
01:05:28in company
01:05:28towns,
01:05:29not that
01:05:30long ago,
01:05:31I don't know
01:05:31if it was
01:05:31like this
01:05:32in the UK,
01:05:32but they
01:05:33were paid
01:05:33in Scrip.
01:05:34Scrip was
01:05:35company money.
01:05:37Like a special
01:05:37currency that
01:05:38could only be
01:05:39used in
01:05:40company-run
01:05:41stores?
01:05:42Exactly.
01:05:43Okay.
01:05:43And for
01:05:44your housing
01:05:45and everything.
01:05:45So a horrendous
01:05:46way to control
01:05:47the people
01:05:47that are working.
01:05:48Yeah.
01:05:48You're not
01:05:48leaving.
01:05:50Or if you want
01:05:51to leave,
01:05:51your money's
01:05:51useless.
01:05:53So if a wife
01:05:54passed,
01:05:56or sorry,
01:05:57a husband passed
01:05:58in the mines,
01:05:59the wife had to
01:06:00bounce out of town
01:06:01or get her kids
01:06:02in the mines
01:06:02immediately.
01:06:05or else
01:06:05you're losing
01:06:06everything
01:06:06because the
01:06:08company owned
01:06:08all the real
01:06:08estate and
01:06:09they need
01:06:10workers in
01:06:10that real
01:06:10estate.
01:06:11It's getting
01:06:11perilously close
01:06:13to a type
01:06:13of slavery.
01:06:14Yeah.
01:06:15Like indentured
01:06:16servitude.
01:06:17Thousands
01:06:18of these
01:06:19places.
01:06:20Do you know
01:06:20we still have
01:06:21company towns
01:06:22in America?
01:06:23That use
01:06:23the currency
01:06:24thing?
01:06:24Not the
01:06:25currency,
01:06:25but almost
01:06:26everything else.
01:06:27Okay.
01:06:27What is a
01:06:28company town?
01:06:29Company town,
01:06:30company owns
01:06:31the real
01:06:31estate.
01:06:32It provides
01:06:32all the
01:06:32employment.
01:06:34Everything
01:06:35revolves around
01:06:35the company.
01:06:37So,
01:06:38again,
01:06:40one of those
01:06:41nights I'm
01:06:41looking at
01:06:41Google,
01:06:42Baghdad,
01:06:44Arizona.
01:06:45What?
01:06:46Baghdad,
01:06:47Arizona.
01:06:47Who would
01:06:47have thought?
01:06:48I looked
01:06:49into it.
01:06:49What's this
01:06:50town?
01:06:51Freeport
01:06:51McMorrin owns
01:06:53it.
01:06:54Copper
01:06:54mining.
01:06:55They own
01:06:56all the
01:06:56real estate
01:06:56there.
01:06:57Everyone
01:06:58there works
01:06:58in the
01:06:59mines or
01:07:00still?
01:07:01Still.
01:07:02Or some
01:07:04ancillary
01:07:04business
01:07:05connected
01:07:06to the
01:07:06mines.
01:07:08And I
01:07:08checked it
01:07:09out.
01:07:09And I'm
01:07:09thinking,
01:07:10old company
01:07:10town,
01:07:12what's it
01:07:12like out
01:07:13there?
01:07:13People are
01:07:14all tied
01:07:14into this
01:07:15thing.
01:07:15Well,
01:07:15I get
01:07:16out there.
01:07:16The average
01:07:17wage was
01:07:19above the
01:07:19average in
01:07:20America.
01:07:20It was
01:07:2190 grand,
01:07:22I believe.
01:07:24Rent,
01:07:25350 bucks.
01:07:26Three bedroom,
01:07:27two bath.
01:07:28This is
01:07:29looking up.
01:07:29Everything's
01:07:30good at the
01:07:30moment.
01:07:30summer
01:07:31workout
01:07:32facility,
01:07:32pool,
01:07:33daycare
01:07:34for kids.
01:07:36School's
01:07:36great.
01:07:38No crime.
01:07:38Why?
01:07:39If you
01:07:39commit crime
01:07:40in a
01:07:40company
01:07:40time,
01:07:41you're
01:07:41out.
01:07:41Company's
01:07:42booting
01:07:42you.
01:07:44And so
01:07:45it's not
01:07:46for me.
01:07:47I don't
01:07:48want to be
01:07:48in that
01:07:48mold
01:07:49necessarily,
01:07:50but I
01:07:51totally
01:07:51get it.
01:07:54In these
01:07:55times where
01:07:55inflation's
01:07:56kicking up,
01:07:57more stress
01:08:00I would
01:08:00say with
01:08:00trying to
01:08:01make the
01:08:01bills,
01:08:02childcare,
01:08:03all that.
01:08:05What
01:08:05control is
01:08:06in a
01:08:07company town
01:08:08other than
01:08:10everybody has
01:08:11to work for
01:08:12the company?
01:08:12I'm trying to
01:08:13think about
01:08:13there was
01:08:13hard power
01:08:14before with
01:08:15the currency
01:08:15thing.
01:08:17What are
01:08:18some of the
01:08:19other ways
01:08:19that pressure
01:08:21is applied
01:08:21to the people
01:08:22that are
01:08:22working?
01:08:23Yeah.
01:08:24You get
01:08:24fired,
01:08:25you're out
01:08:25obviously.
01:08:26If you're
01:08:27old,
01:08:27once you
01:08:28retire,
01:08:28you're
01:08:29out of
01:08:29town.
01:08:31Yeah.
01:08:32They're not
01:08:33going to
01:08:33save that
01:08:34space for
01:08:35retiree.
01:08:36For somebody
01:08:36that isn't
01:08:37being economically
01:08:38contributive to
01:08:39this project.
01:08:41Exactly.
01:08:41I suppose
01:08:42that's
01:08:42interesting
01:08:42when you
01:08:43think about
01:08:43the fact
01:08:43that being
01:08:45able to
01:08:45own your
01:08:46own home
01:08:46now or
01:08:48rent an
01:08:49apartment,
01:08:50as long as
01:08:50you can
01:08:50make payments,
01:08:51you don't
01:08:51have to
01:08:51have any
01:08:52allegiance
01:08:53to
01:08:54anyone.
01:08:55It doesn't
01:08:56matter
01:08:56whether you
01:08:56move from
01:08:57Google to
01:08:58Procter &
01:08:59Gamble or
01:08:59from Starbucks
01:09:00to fucking
01:09:01Prader-Manger,
01:09:02all of that's
01:09:03fine.
01:09:04The house is
01:09:05independent.
01:09:06But for
01:09:06almost all of
01:09:07human history,
01:09:08if you were
01:09:09in some
01:09:09serfdom
01:09:10thing,
01:09:12if you had
01:09:12to have
01:09:13fealty to
01:09:14wherever the
01:09:15local baron in
01:09:16the UK,
01:09:17medieval times,
01:09:19if you had
01:09:20lords,
01:09:21if you were
01:09:21playing land
01:09:22registries and
01:09:23shit like that,
01:09:24it's kind
01:09:25of an
01:09:26economic
01:09:27engine,
01:09:28even if you
01:09:28were living
01:09:28on a farm.
01:09:29So there's
01:09:30some outhouse
01:09:30on the farm
01:09:31and you
01:09:31look after
01:09:32the pigs,
01:09:33you're the
01:09:33pig guy,
01:09:34and then you
01:09:34stop looking
01:09:35after the
01:09:35pigs.
01:09:36It's like,
01:09:36well,
01:09:36guess what?
01:09:36You're out
01:09:37of the
01:09:37house as
01:09:37well because
01:09:38your housing
01:09:40was attached
01:09:42to your
01:09:42economic
01:09:43output,
01:09:45not just
01:09:46your capacity
01:09:46to pay.
01:09:47That was all
01:09:48part of a
01:09:49single...
01:09:49I suppose
01:09:50this historically
01:09:52is not that
01:09:53strange.
01:09:54What feels
01:09:54weird is to
01:09:55now think
01:09:55about having
01:09:56your house
01:09:57and your
01:09:57social structure
01:09:58because being
01:09:58kicked out of
01:09:59the house
01:09:59is hard,
01:10:00but losing
01:10:01every friend
01:10:02you've ever
01:10:02had and
01:10:02every person
01:10:03that you've
01:10:03ever known
01:10:04in this
01:10:04probably
01:10:05incredibly
01:10:05insular
01:10:06environment.
01:10:08Hey,
01:10:0865,
01:10:09congratulations.
01:10:10Now,
01:10:10fuck off.
01:10:11None of your
01:10:11friends are
01:10:11going to be
01:10:12able to go
01:10:12with you.
01:10:13And insular
01:10:13also,
01:10:15geographically,
01:10:16these are like...
01:10:17Middle of
01:10:17nowhere.
01:10:17Middle.
01:10:18Morenci is
01:10:18another one.
01:10:19Two big
01:10:19ones in
01:10:20Arizona.
01:10:21And people
01:10:21are trying
01:10:22to get
01:10:22in.
01:10:25Because,
01:10:25look,
01:10:26the pay
01:10:27is good.
01:10:28They save
01:10:28up money
01:10:29and get
01:10:29real estate
01:10:30out.
01:10:30A lot
01:10:30of the
01:10:31ones that
01:10:31are thinking
01:10:31through it,
01:10:32they do
01:10:32their time
01:10:33and they
01:10:33buy real
01:10:33estate
01:10:34outside
01:10:34and retire
01:10:35in that
01:10:35desert
01:10:36Arizona.
01:10:38It wouldn't
01:10:38surprise me
01:10:39if people
01:10:41are innovative
01:10:42and if
01:10:43there is
01:10:44this
01:10:44understanding
01:10:46that you
01:10:46work in
01:10:47this place
01:10:47and then
01:10:48when you
01:10:49retire
01:10:49you're
01:10:49going to
01:10:49get kicked
01:10:50out,
01:10:50that will
01:10:51begin to
01:10:52be a
01:10:52pathway
01:10:53conveyor belt
01:10:54to why
01:10:55don't we
01:10:55make a
01:10:56retiree's
01:10:57town that's
01:10:58not too
01:10:58far away
01:10:59and this
01:11:00has all of
01:11:01the things
01:11:01that we
01:11:01want and
01:11:02then that
01:11:02begins to
01:11:03be the
01:11:03kind of
01:11:04tradition
01:11:06that people
01:11:07go through.
01:11:08And right
01:11:08now they're
01:11:08doing well
01:11:09because
01:11:09copper is
01:11:09doing well.
01:11:10Right.
01:11:12What about
01:11:12East LA?
01:11:13East LA is
01:11:14great.
01:11:15I love the
01:11:16Chicanos.
01:11:17They're cool.
01:11:19One of
01:11:20those,
01:11:20again,
01:11:21new country
01:11:22in my own
01:11:22country
01:11:23experiences.
01:11:24Didn't know
01:11:24anything about
01:11:25Chicanos
01:11:26really.
01:11:27Got in
01:11:27with these
01:11:28guys.
01:11:30True
01:11:30100%
01:11:32Chicanos.
01:11:33As in
01:11:34English is
01:11:36the native
01:11:36language
01:11:37with a
01:11:38Spanish
01:11:39accent.
01:11:41Why?
01:11:43It's the
01:11:43culture.
01:11:44A lot of
01:11:45them are
01:11:45bilingual.
01:11:47Spanish?
01:11:48Yeah,
01:11:49but a lot
01:11:50have been
01:11:50here generations
01:11:51and they
01:11:52grew up
01:11:52speaking
01:11:52English,
01:11:53but they
01:11:54have a
01:11:54Spanish
01:11:54accent.
01:11:55It's
01:11:55wild.
01:11:56Cool.
01:11:56Okay.
01:11:57Look,
01:11:57the car
01:11:57culture is
01:11:58awesome.
01:12:00I get it.
01:12:01The low
01:12:01riders,
01:12:02the taco.
01:12:03It's a
01:12:03culture.
01:12:04It's
01:12:04connected.
01:12:06It really
01:12:06is connected
01:12:07well.
01:12:08It's its
01:12:08own universe
01:12:09out there.
01:12:10And again,
01:12:11it's one of
01:12:11those either
01:12:12here nor
01:12:13there.
01:12:13The Chicanos
01:12:13will say,
01:12:15when we go
01:12:15to Mexico,
01:12:17they call
01:12:17us American,
01:12:18but when
01:12:19we're in
01:12:19the U.S.,
01:12:19they call
01:12:20us Mexican.
01:12:22They're in
01:12:23the uncanny
01:12:23valley of
01:12:24Mexicans
01:12:24and Americans.
01:12:25Yeah.
01:12:26Right in
01:12:26between.
01:12:27Yeah.
01:12:28Yeah.
01:12:29So I made
01:12:29a few videos
01:12:30out there
01:12:30with them,
01:12:31actually a
01:12:31chapter in
01:12:32the book
01:12:32about the
01:12:33Chicanos.
01:12:34And that's
01:12:35what's so
01:12:36rad about
01:12:37America.
01:12:37You have
01:12:38all these
01:12:38different
01:12:39existences
01:12:40coexisting.
01:12:43And my
01:12:43wife says,
01:12:44it's a
01:12:45build-your-own-bowl
01:12:46country,
01:12:48as in pick
01:12:48your protein,
01:12:49pick your
01:12:50vegetables,
01:12:51pick your
01:12:51dressing.
01:12:52So pick
01:12:52your culture,
01:12:54your addiction,
01:12:55fentanyl or
01:12:55meth.
01:12:56Pick your
01:12:57geography.
01:12:59What do you
01:12:59want?
01:12:59Mountains?
01:12:59You want
01:13:00oceans?
01:13:01You want
01:13:02your culture?
01:13:02You want
01:13:03your politics
01:13:03even?
01:13:04Choose your
01:13:05own adventure.
01:13:06It's fucking
01:13:06cool.
01:13:08For all that
01:13:09there's problems
01:13:09in this place,
01:13:10and it's the
01:13:11misogynistic,
01:13:12capitalistic
01:13:13hellscape that's
01:13:14trying to
01:13:14bigotedly keep
01:13:15everybody down,
01:13:15I understand.
01:13:16But when I
01:13:18flew back from
01:13:19SF, and just
01:13:22the change, that
01:13:23journey from
01:13:24SF to
01:13:24Austin, the
01:13:26change in the
01:13:26landscape looking
01:13:27out of the
01:13:28window is
01:13:29fucking
01:13:29unbelievable.
01:13:31It is
01:13:32everything.
01:13:32I've seen
01:13:33everything on
01:13:34route.
01:13:34The only thing I
01:13:35haven't seen is
01:13:35snow.
01:13:35In fact, I
01:13:36probably didn't
01:13:36maybe see some
01:13:37snow, like
01:13:37San Bernardino
01:13:38Valley, if we
01:13:38went over that
01:13:39way, I don't
01:13:39know.
01:13:42There's places
01:13:42that you can
01:13:43snowboard and
01:13:43ski in fucking
01:13:44May.
01:13:46And it's
01:13:47just, it's
01:13:49so varied, and
01:13:49that is what
01:13:50makes it cool.
01:13:50I remember when
01:13:51I first started
01:13:51coming out here,
01:13:52man, mid-20s, I
01:13:55started coming out
01:13:56as part of these
01:13:57author projects
01:13:58that I was
01:13:58doing, and I
01:14:01would get flown
01:14:02out to Norfolk,
01:14:04Virginia, and it
01:14:06was just a
01:14:07military, it was
01:14:09right on the
01:14:10bay, so I'm
01:14:10seeing all of
01:14:11the huge military
01:14:13ships coming in
01:14:14and out, and
01:14:15there was one,
01:14:16weekend where we
01:14:17were staying at
01:14:18the Sheraton
01:14:18downtown in
01:14:20Norfolk, Virginia,
01:14:21right on the
01:14:22water, and there
01:14:23was a powerboat
01:14:23convention going
01:14:24on.
01:14:25Like, every
01:14:27dude had a
01:14:28mustache, every
01:14:29woman, no
01:14:29matter how old
01:14:30she was, had
01:14:31bleach blonde
01:14:31hair, platinum,
01:14:33super, I was
01:14:34like, this
01:14:34fucking rules.
01:14:36This is the
01:14:37sickest shit I've
01:14:38ever seen in my
01:14:39life.
01:14:39And then the
01:14:40next year I
01:14:41went to Baltimore,
01:14:41and it was the
01:14:424th of July, and
01:14:43I was in downtown
01:14:44Baltimore, right
01:14:45where the
01:14:45historic ships
01:14:46are, right on
01:14:46that bay, and
01:14:48the motherfuckers
01:14:50are firing
01:14:50cannons, 4th of
01:14:51July, there's all
01:14:52of these fireworks
01:14:53going up.
01:14:53I was just on
01:14:53my own.
01:14:54I was like, this
01:14:55is amazing.
01:14:55And I posted a
01:14:56photo on
01:14:57Facebook, and
01:14:59put my phone
01:15:00away, and I was
01:15:01having a beer or
01:15:01whatever, just on
01:15:02my own, and I'm
01:15:02walking about.
01:15:03It's like, wide-eyed,
01:15:04bushy-tailed, ba-ding,
01:15:07ba-ding, ba-ding, ba-ding,
01:15:08ba-ding.
01:15:08I was like, fuck,
01:15:09and all right, fair
01:15:09enough.
01:15:10Get my phone out.
01:15:11It's late, US
01:15:13time, so there's no
01:15:14one awake in the UK,
01:15:15and I basically had no
01:15:15friends in the US.
01:15:16All of the people that
01:15:17were running the event
01:15:17were saying, what are
01:15:18you doing downtown in
01:15:19Baltimore?
01:15:20Do not go past 49th
01:15:21Street.
01:15:21Do not take a turn
01:15:22down there.
01:15:23It's like, what do you
01:15:23mean?
01:15:24They're like, just don't
01:15:25go to 49th Street or
01:15:28whatever.
01:15:28And I was like, well,
01:15:29now I'm fucking going to
01:15:2948th Street.
01:15:30Okay, so go all the
01:15:32way up.
01:15:32And on every single
01:15:34street corner, there
01:15:35was a cop car with
01:15:37two police officers.
01:15:38on every intersection,
01:15:39you would have one,
01:15:40two, three, four cop
01:15:42cars, like on the
01:15:43corners of every, I'm
01:15:44like, how many fucking
01:15:45cop cars have you guys
01:15:46got?
01:15:46And they would just
01:15:47sat there.
01:15:47And I was, even that
01:15:48didn't go to 40, 50th
01:15:51Street or whatever.
01:15:52That's fucking
01:15:53fascinating to me.
01:15:54And then did this
01:15:54huge road trip, went
01:15:56to, um, fuck, what's
01:15:59the place just near
01:16:00Dollywood?
01:16:01It's like a ski lodge
01:16:03town, begins with a G.
01:16:04Uh, Gatlinburg.
01:16:05Okay.
01:16:06I went to Gatlinburg,
01:16:07uh, Tennessee, and
01:16:09this is like a Aspen-y
01:16:11like Swiss ski lodge
01:16:12town that happens to
01:16:14be beautiful weather in
01:16:16the middle of summer.
01:16:17Uh, 4th of July,
01:16:18Nashville, Broadway.
01:16:19Like, it's, it's
01:16:22fucking awesome, dude.
01:16:23Like, for people that
01:16:24I guess haven't
01:16:26traveled, haven't been
01:16:27able to get outside of
01:16:28their home state and
01:16:29see just how much
01:16:30stuff there is to do.
01:16:31Like, this sounds like
01:16:32I'm shilling for the
01:16:32fucking American
01:16:33tourist board or
01:16:34whatever, but it's
01:16:35just, it's fucking
01:16:35cool.
01:16:36It's really good and
01:16:36I'm, I'm glad that I'm
01:16:37here.
01:16:38So what do you, where
01:16:39do you think things are
01:16:40going?
01:16:40Where do you see things
01:16:41in, uh, in five years?
01:16:43Are you, are you
01:16:44optimistic about things?
01:16:45Are you thinking
01:16:46something has to come
01:16:47to a head or?
01:16:48I don't know.
01:16:49I, the, America is very
01:16:51divided thing seems less
01:16:53true than America is
01:16:54very isolated.
01:16:55I think people are more
01:16:57isolated than they are
01:16:58divided and that can
01:17:01cause people to kind of
01:17:02become quite deranged in
01:17:03the way that they see
01:17:04themselves in the world.
01:17:05Yeah.
01:17:05If you don't touch
01:17:06grass that much, I had
01:17:07this question on a Q and
01:17:07A, this guy was asked a
01:17:09question of, um, you say,
01:17:14I say that the bar is
01:17:15very low for most men
01:17:16and that, you know, if
01:17:17you're a well put together
01:17:19guy with a stable job,
01:17:20who's nice and takes care
01:17:21of himself, you're in the
01:17:22top, like 5% of all men.
01:17:25I'm like, I think that's
01:17:26true.
01:17:26And he's like, and yet I
01:17:27see all of this stuff
01:17:28online about how a guy
01:17:30needs to be six foot tall
01:17:31and make six figures a
01:17:32year.
01:17:32And I'd be emotionally
01:17:32intelligent.
01:17:33he's got to 10 years of
01:17:34therapy and all of it.
01:17:36I like, I think this is
01:17:38what happens when you spend
01:17:39too much time on the
01:17:39internet.
01:17:40Yeah.
01:17:40I think the internet
01:17:41takes the most caricatured
01:17:43extreme versions.
01:17:45It's like WWE for sociality.
01:17:48Right.
01:17:49And it turns everything
01:17:50into this kayfabe pantomime
01:17:53and everybody starts
01:17:54performing.
01:17:55And, um, what I think,
01:17:57what I hope is that we can
01:17:59continue to sort of push
01:18:01people into real world
01:18:02experiences, like stuff
01:18:04like your travel blogs.
01:18:06I think it really great at
01:18:09reminding people there is a
01:18:10fucking world of adventure
01:18:11out there off the screen.
01:18:13Adventure is not a staycation
01:18:15at a local fucking yoga
01:18:17retreat.
01:18:18That's 30 minutes from your
01:18:19house.
01:18:19Yeah.
01:18:20Adventure is taking a left
01:18:22down a road that you don't
01:18:23usually go down.
01:18:24I'll never forget.
01:18:25I did, um, as part of
01:18:27this, I want to see the
01:18:28world thing when I was
01:18:29younger, I did, uh,
01:18:30Thailand on my own.
01:18:31I did Bali on my own.
01:18:32The Thailand trip, it was
01:18:34my final full day on
01:18:36Koh Samui.
01:18:37Yeah.
01:18:37Uh, no, Koh Tao.
01:18:39Sorry, Koh Tao.
01:18:40Koh Tao, not Koh Samui.
01:18:42And, um, me and my one
01:18:44dollar per day moped, which
01:18:47had one break on it and was
01:18:48definitely going to kill
01:18:49me.
01:18:50And I was, I was
01:18:52basically just, uh, doing
01:18:53Thai boxing the whole time
01:18:54I was there.
01:18:55I was going from gym to
01:18:55gym, just fighting.
01:18:56So I thought that would be
01:18:57fun to do.
01:18:57And it would give me a
01:18:58community of people and
01:18:59I'd feel less alone.
01:19:00That worked out great.
01:19:01Final day.
01:19:02I was driving the trip from
01:19:03the smoothie place.
01:19:03I like to go to back
01:19:05toward the gym, but I'd
01:19:06already trained.
01:19:07I was like, there's a
01:19:08turning here on the left.
01:19:10I'm just going to see
01:19:10what's down this road.
01:19:12And that took me two and
01:19:14a half hours.
01:19:14I nearly ran out of gas.
01:19:16And one point opened out
01:19:18into this elephant sanctuary
01:19:19that I didn't know was
01:19:20there.
01:19:20I wasn't signposted.
01:19:22Saw that.
01:19:24Pitched up for a bit,
01:19:25just sat and watched
01:19:26things pulled back off.
01:19:27And then there's a guy
01:19:28with a huge truck with
01:19:31all of these rolls, sort
01:19:34of bark, spun up and
01:19:37rolled, tied up behind
01:19:39him.
01:19:39It looked like a scene
01:19:40out of final destination,
01:19:41like Thailand's final
01:19:42destination.
01:19:43It's all going to fall
01:19:43off and kill someone.
01:19:45And I was like, just
01:19:45watching this person
01:19:46thinking, I wonder what,
01:19:47I wonder what that guy's
01:19:48afternoon is going to
01:19:49look like.
01:19:50I wonder where he's
01:19:51going and I wonder what
01:19:52he does and I wonder
01:19:52where he lives.
01:19:53And there would be just
01:19:55the opportunity to
01:19:56see some fucking real
01:19:58shit that is not being
01:20:00fed to you at the
01:20:01velocity that you're
01:20:02used to.
01:20:03I don't know.
01:20:04I mean, I can't tell you
01:20:06basically anything that I
01:20:07watched on the internet
01:20:07last week, but I can tell
01:20:09you a story about Thailand
01:20:10that I remember doing
01:20:1010 years ago.
01:20:11Yeah.
01:20:11Like if that isn't how
01:20:13you make a richer life,
01:20:14I kind of don't know
01:20:15what is.
01:20:16And this doesn't mean
01:20:17that you got to travel
01:20:17all the way to fucking
01:20:18Thailand.
01:20:19Yeah.
01:20:19But, you know.
01:20:21No, you're fully right.
01:20:23There's the on-the-ground
01:20:24reality and the online
01:20:25reality right now, and the
01:20:27Delta is massive.
01:20:30And unless you're getting
01:20:31that on-the-ground reality
01:20:32to balance it out, you
01:20:34know, this thing starts
01:20:35taking over.
01:20:35Everything seems
01:20:36catastrophic.
01:20:37But look, next five years,
01:20:38what do I think is going
01:20:38to happen?
01:20:40I would like to think that
01:20:44we're going to get some
01:20:46degree of pushback against
01:20:47the level of onlineness.
01:20:51I wouldn't bet against
01:20:52people's ability to actually
01:20:55be able to look after
01:20:57themselves.
01:20:59And I think that people are
01:21:00way more resilient than we
01:21:01give them credit for.
01:21:02I would be worried about
01:21:03what is happening to young
01:21:05people with technology
01:21:07usage.
01:21:07But Australia and the UK
01:21:09have now both got under 16
01:21:11bans for social media.
01:21:12Even if you can work around
01:21:15it with a VPN or something,
01:21:16I think that's going to be
01:21:16good.
01:21:17And it wouldn't surprise me.
01:21:18America, unfortunately,
01:21:19the freedom thing actually
01:21:21works against you with that
01:21:22that sometimes maybe you need
01:21:24a bit of dictatorship.
01:21:25Maybe you need a little bit
01:21:26of bureaucracy and some sort
01:21:30of top-down telling of what,
01:21:33because people hate the idea
01:21:34of losing freedom.
01:21:35Yeah.
01:21:36But also along with freedom,
01:21:37the optionality can mean
01:21:38that most people kind of,
01:21:40they gravitate toward the path
01:21:44of least resistance.
01:21:45Sometimes that's something
01:21:46that they want,
01:21:47but isn't good for them.
01:21:49Yeah.
01:21:49Something they want
01:21:50but don't need.
01:21:51Yeah.
01:21:51I think a lot will depend
01:21:55on what happens internationally
01:21:56over the next couple of years
01:21:57because that is causing
01:21:59a lot of people
01:22:00to feel quite uncomfortable.
01:22:02One of the biggest niches
01:22:03or most of the biggest trends
01:22:04in finance on YouTube
01:22:05about six years ago
01:22:06were slow investing,
01:22:09401ks,
01:22:11dollar cost averaging.
01:22:12And if you look at 2026,
01:22:13it's all vibe betting,
01:22:15polymarket,
01:22:16calshi,
01:22:17get rich quick,
01:22:18crypto.
01:22:19And I think that speaks
01:22:20to the sort of short-termism
01:22:22that people are feeling.
01:22:23I don't know if the future
01:22:25is promised to me
01:22:25so I'm going to kind of
01:22:27just make immediate rewards.
01:22:31I hope that that stops
01:22:32because that's a real recipe
01:22:34for fucking disaster.
01:22:35That's a great point.
01:22:37I call it the RPT.
01:22:38Do you know what the RPT is?
01:22:40No.
01:22:41Okay.
01:22:41Nothing against Russians,
01:22:42but the Russian package tour.
01:22:45So Soviet Union falls in 91.
01:22:48Okay.
01:22:48These people have been
01:22:49behind the wall
01:22:50for decades.
01:22:52all of a sudden,
01:22:53travel opens up
01:22:54to Italia, Turkey,
01:22:56Shamal Shek,
01:22:57Egypt.
01:22:57So you have these flights
01:22:59from people that never
01:23:00were able to leave
01:23:01their country.
01:23:02Chalabinsk,
01:23:03Ufa,
01:23:05Novi Sibirsk,
01:23:06flying to these
01:23:07all-inclusive package tours.
01:23:09So you go,
01:23:11you get your food,
01:23:12your hotel,
01:23:12everything's included.
01:23:14Well,
01:23:14if you've ever been around
01:23:15an RPT,
01:23:17it's like,
01:23:19take everything off the table,
01:23:20stuff your pockets
01:23:21mentality.
01:23:22Because they've dealt
01:23:24with so much scarcity
01:23:25and you never know
01:23:26what tomorrow brings.
01:23:28And I'm saying this
01:23:30with some humor too.
01:23:31Okay.
01:23:31So not everyone's
01:23:32participating in the RPT.
01:23:34There is some short term.
01:23:35There's the UPT,
01:23:37Ukrainian package tour.
01:23:39There's the Chinese package tour.
01:23:41It's just sort of a joke
01:23:42of the package tour
01:23:42where it's like,
01:23:44I paid for this,
01:23:45I'm going to get
01:23:46all I can get.
01:23:47And I feel like the RPT
01:23:49has sort of taken over
01:23:50culture even here
01:23:52in the West
01:23:52as in,
01:23:53let me get my thing quick.
01:23:55There's nothing long term here.
01:23:57Get it off.
01:23:58I feel like the whole country
01:23:59is run like the RPT right now.
01:24:01It's like,
01:24:01I'm going to make my Moe.
01:24:03Here's my meme coin.
01:24:04I'm going to bank.
01:24:05Get out.
01:24:06Nothing long term.
01:24:08And nothing good
01:24:09really comes
01:24:10from short term thinking.
01:24:11Like you didn't get
01:24:12to where you're at
01:24:13from short term thinking.
01:24:14That's a long grind.
01:24:16Same with me.
01:24:17Even if you get the visa,
01:24:17dude,
01:24:17even to come to the country,
01:24:18it's a very long grind.
01:24:19If it was short term,
01:24:20you would have given up,
01:24:21gone,
01:24:21done something easier.
01:24:23So,
01:24:24I totally agree.
01:24:26Like,
01:24:26especially
01:24:27young in this country,
01:24:29you need to realize that
01:24:30it's not all social media,
01:24:32obviously.
01:24:32And social media shows
01:24:34RPT mentality.
01:24:38Anything that's worth something
01:24:40is long game.
01:24:42I mean,
01:24:42it took me until,
01:24:44I mean,
01:24:44I was trying to figure out
01:24:45my life at 38.
01:24:47I was stressing
01:24:48in Golden Gate Park
01:24:49in San Francisco,
01:24:50reading everything
01:24:51I could get my hands on.
01:24:52Like,
01:24:53WTF am I going to do now?
01:24:55Now you've got
01:24:56a huge YouTube channel
01:24:57and a book deal.
01:24:59Right?
01:24:59But that's,
01:25:00that's from long term thinking.
01:25:01Like having hope.
01:25:03And at the very least,
01:25:04I'd be an old man
01:25:06and be like,
01:25:06at least I went for it.
01:25:08If it didn't work out.
01:25:10I upped my entire life
01:25:11and moved countries
01:25:12on my own
01:25:12with two suitcases
01:25:13at 34.
01:25:16People who say
01:25:18you should have got
01:25:18your life sorted out
01:25:19by now
01:25:20assume that development
01:25:21comes with age
01:25:22and not work.
01:25:23And
01:25:24the whole age thing
01:25:25is it's like
01:25:26that makes sense
01:25:27if you know
01:25:27the day you're going to die.
01:25:29If I'm dying at 100
01:25:30and I have kids at
01:25:3248,
01:25:33who cares?
01:25:34But if I'm going to die at 50,
01:25:36better have them earlier
01:25:37if you want kids.
01:25:38And that's just like
01:25:38this whole,
01:25:39you have to do something
01:25:40by a certain timeline thing.
01:25:43I threw that manual out
01:25:44at a young age.
01:25:45So I understand
01:25:46that seems to be
01:25:48a little bit of a
01:25:49contradictory pattern
01:25:50to some of the stuff
01:25:51that you did
01:25:51when you were younger,
01:25:52which is
01:25:53I'm not going to be able
01:25:54to travel like this
01:25:55in the same way
01:25:55perhaps in the future.
01:25:57So it feels like
01:25:57you did have an understanding
01:25:58of part of the timeline.
01:26:00Is that fair to say?
01:26:02With that amount of freedom,
01:26:04like fully untethered,
01:26:06no relationship I was in,
01:26:08no commitments.
01:26:09Yeah,
01:26:09I was sort of foreseeing
01:26:10maybe I won't get
01:26:11that chance again.
01:26:13Yeah,
01:26:13yeah,
01:26:13yeah,
01:26:14yeah.
01:26:15What's actually happening
01:26:16on the American-Mexican border?
01:26:18What's the truth?
01:26:19Right now?
01:26:19Yeah.
01:26:20Okay.
01:26:21I did a follow-up video
01:26:25because I've done,
01:26:26I don't know,
01:26:27five, six, seven videos?
01:26:28No,
01:26:28seven, eight videos down there.
01:26:31Right now,
01:26:32it's chill.
01:26:33Crickets.
01:26:34No one's coming over illegally.
01:26:36No way.
01:26:37Nah,
01:26:37nothing.
01:26:37Nothing.
01:26:38So,
01:26:38I started doing border videos
01:26:41when I was moving
01:26:42from California to Florida
01:26:44and someone reached out
01:26:46and said,
01:26:47you got to come down
01:26:47to the border.
01:26:48And I was in the middle
01:26:49of a move,
01:26:49driving across country.
01:26:50I'm like,
01:26:50nah,
01:26:51I'm not going to do that.
01:26:52I'm too busy.
01:26:53And my wife was like,
01:26:54detour.
01:26:55Do it.
01:26:56Go do it.
01:26:57We got to Florida,
01:26:58dropped my bags,
01:27:00dropped her,
01:27:00and went right to the border
01:27:01in Texas.
01:27:02So,
01:27:03not far from here
01:27:03in McAllen.
01:27:05And so,
01:27:06I went in with some
01:27:07preconceptions of,
01:27:09you know,
01:27:10why would you want
01:27:11a border wall?
01:27:11That's,
01:27:14I don't think that's
01:27:15the right way
01:27:16to go about this.
01:27:17And then after spending
01:27:18time there
01:27:19during that trip,
01:27:20I left.
01:27:21Yeah,
01:27:21you want a border wall
01:27:22down there.
01:27:23Why?
01:27:24Look,
01:27:25if the wall's 30 feet,
01:27:27migrants are going to
01:27:28get a 32-foot ladder.
01:27:30And they go,
01:27:31it's not stopping
01:27:31everything,
01:27:32obviously.
01:27:33But,
01:27:34for customs
01:27:34and border protection,
01:27:37it pinches everyone.
01:27:39They put their technology
01:27:40on the wall.
01:27:41They can see better.
01:27:42They can manage it better.
01:27:43You have to see
01:27:44these landscapes
01:27:44to understand
01:27:45how vast they are.
01:27:46Do you know
01:27:47how much of the border
01:27:48is covered by
01:27:49protective fencing,
01:27:50then?
01:27:51I don't know.
01:27:53California,
01:27:53most of California,
01:27:57a lot of Arizona,
01:28:00not all of Arizona,
01:28:02not all of Texas.
01:28:03It's got to be
01:28:03one of the longest
01:28:04conjoining borders
01:28:06in the world,
01:28:07I have to assume,
01:28:09coast to coast.
01:28:10Perhaps,
01:28:11but there are a lot of-
01:28:12Canada will be more,
01:28:12actually.
01:28:13Oh,
01:28:13yeah,
01:28:13that's the longest border,
01:28:14actually,
01:28:15Canada.
01:28:15And I've done a story
01:28:16up there,
01:28:17too,
01:28:17which was interesting.
01:28:18But-
01:28:18Oh, yeah,
01:28:19there it is.
01:28:20For the U.S.-Mexico border,
01:28:22roughly 700,
01:28:23750 miles of its
01:28:24nearly 2,000 miles
01:28:25have some form
01:28:26of primary fence
01:28:27or wall,
01:28:28about 35% to 38%.
01:28:29That is not one
01:28:31continuous wall,
01:28:32much of it is replaced.
01:28:33Earlier barriers
01:28:33and the remainder
01:28:34is covered by terrain,
01:28:35patrol sensors,
01:28:36and other enforcement measures.
01:28:38The U.S.-Canada border
01:28:39is overwhelmingly unfenced.
01:28:41That's nothing up there.
01:28:42Okay,
01:28:43so I went down.
01:28:44I'm like,
01:28:45I left that first trip.
01:28:46Yeah,
01:28:46you should put a wall up there.
01:28:48The second trip,
01:28:49I went to West Texas
01:28:50where the Rio Grande is.
01:28:53And if you put a wall up there,
01:28:55you give Mexico
01:28:55the whole river.
01:28:56It would destroy those places.
01:28:58So I left that trip
01:28:59being like,
01:28:59yeah,
01:29:00you wouldn't want to-
01:29:00No wall.
01:29:01You wouldn't want
01:29:01to put a wall up there.
01:29:03Then I went to Tijuana
01:29:04and there are two walls
01:29:05between Tijuana
01:29:06and California.
01:29:07Two mega walls.
01:29:09Is it one to keep
01:29:10the Mexicans out
01:29:10and one to keep
01:29:11the Americans out?
01:29:13No,
01:29:13double-
01:29:14Double Mexicans.
01:29:15Double front.
01:29:16Okay.
01:29:17Because if you didn't
01:29:18have walls there,
01:29:19it'd just be a
01:29:19full-on bum rush.
01:29:21Right.
01:29:21To the north.
01:29:25Arizona's interesting.
01:29:26So every sector,
01:29:27there are,
01:29:28I think,
01:29:2820 sectors
01:29:29in the United States
01:29:31where there's the Yuma sector
01:29:32and the Tucson sector.
01:29:34They're basically
01:29:34different border jurisdictions.
01:29:36Yuma sector,
01:29:37when I went there,
01:29:39140 nations
01:29:40were coming.
01:29:40through.
01:29:41It was wild.
01:29:43We had an OTM policy
01:29:45other than Mexicans.
01:29:47A lot of people
01:29:47don't know this.
01:29:48Like Mexicans
01:29:49could not come over
01:29:50unless they were
01:29:51really good.
01:29:52But the cartel
01:29:53controlled
01:29:54that whole situation.
01:29:56A lot of Indians.
01:29:58Got Indians on my video
01:29:59from Delhi.
01:30:00Fly Delhi,
01:30:01Mexico City,
01:30:02Mexico City,
01:30:04Mexicali.
01:30:05Cartel picks them up
01:30:06at the airport
01:30:06like Epcot Center
01:30:08without the name tags.
01:30:10Brings them
01:30:10to the gap
01:30:11in the wall.
01:30:12Gives a U.S. phone.
01:30:13Get to the U.S. side.
01:30:14Dial 911.
01:30:16Our Customs Board
01:30:17of Protection
01:30:17comes on them.
01:30:18And I was there for it.
01:30:19It's in one of my videos.
01:30:21Quarter,
01:30:22half mile down,
01:30:23Sinaloa cartels
01:30:23running.
01:30:25The Fent,
01:30:25the Young Girls,
01:30:26all the stuff
01:30:27that's definitely
01:30:28going to get busted on.
01:30:29But at that time,
01:30:30we had to process.
01:30:33It's a very confusing topic.
01:30:34And unfortunately,
01:30:35both sides
01:30:36have used it
01:30:36as a weapon.
01:30:38But at that time,
01:30:40it was pretty much
01:30:41fair game
01:30:41to claim asylum.
01:30:43Depended on
01:30:43what the country
01:30:44you're from.
01:30:44But if you're from India
01:30:45and you could say,
01:30:46hey,
01:30:47political persecution,
01:30:49I need to leave.
01:30:50It's dangerous
01:30:51for me to be in India.
01:30:53We had to process them.
01:30:55Buses would come in,
01:30:57pick them up,
01:30:58bring them into
01:30:59a detention center,
01:31:00and then off
01:31:00into the interior.
01:31:02New York,
01:31:02Chicago,
01:31:03Los Angeles,
01:31:04all over the country.
01:31:06With an asylum court hearing,
01:31:09hey,
01:31:09come to this court hearing
01:31:10and the courts
01:31:11are still backed up,
01:31:13not enough judges.
01:31:14Some are five years out,
01:31:15some are seven years out.
01:31:17So the word on the street
01:31:18or the word in the world
01:31:20was game on,
01:31:22green light,
01:31:23come on.
01:31:24You just have to pay
01:31:25the cartel
01:31:26the right amount of money.
01:31:27So it was insane.
01:31:30I shouldn't have done
01:31:31my fucking 01.
01:31:32I didn't need to do my 01.
01:31:33Yeah,
01:31:33you didn't.
01:31:34And then you'd see
01:31:35the fallout in places
01:31:36like Chicago
01:31:37where all the police stations,
01:31:40you had Venezuelan migrants
01:31:41just sleeping out
01:31:42on the floor.
01:31:42Like you walk
01:31:43in a police station,
01:31:44it was just sleeping bags,
01:31:45kids' toys,
01:31:46kids playing,
01:31:47and all the police officers
01:31:49were just like
01:31:50hating their lives.
01:31:51That was the asylum place
01:31:52they'd been assigned to?
01:31:53These cities weren't ready
01:31:56for this influx.
01:31:57These places weren't ready
01:31:58and it was just
01:31:58a mad influx.
01:31:59And so I don't blame
01:32:00the migrants
01:32:01because it was green light.
01:32:03I would have done the same.
01:32:04Play the system.
01:32:04I'm in Honduras,
01:32:06six grand of the cartel.
01:32:08I'm going up.
01:32:09I'm making 10 times
01:32:10as much money
01:32:11and living a better life.
01:32:14But the influx was insane.
01:32:17Unsustainable.
01:32:18I thought my channel
01:32:21was going to get demonetized
01:32:22for sure on that topic
01:32:23and maybe shadow banned.
01:32:27But it wasn't.
01:32:29Thank God.
01:32:29I've never had a problem
01:32:30with you two.
01:32:30Knock on wood with that.
01:32:32But I thought it was
01:32:33going to have an issue.
01:32:35And I would get in
01:32:36with the sheriffs
01:32:36because the sheriffs,
01:32:37this is a really cool thing
01:32:38about America.
01:32:40We have local law enforcement.
01:32:41You have City of Austin
01:32:42law enforcement, right?
01:32:43What county are we in?
01:32:45Travis.
01:32:45Travis.
01:32:46Okay.
01:32:47There's the sheriff's department.
01:32:49Both doing law enforcement,
01:32:51operating completely different.
01:32:52The sheriffs are voted in
01:32:54by their constituents.
01:32:56The only people that oversee them
01:32:58really are the voters.
01:33:00Okay.
01:33:00Where the local police,
01:33:02city council,
01:33:03it's tied into local governance.
01:33:05So I can never get in
01:33:07with police departments.
01:33:08The only one,
01:33:09Glendale police,
01:33:10basically Phoenix,
01:33:11shout out to Glendale police.
01:33:12They let me do my thing.
01:33:13Other than that, nobody.
01:33:14But the sheriffs,
01:33:16if you get a good sheriff,
01:33:18like I got in Yuma County,
01:33:21Sheriff Wilmot,
01:33:23like straight out of the movies,
01:33:25handlebar mustache,
01:33:27got the cowboy hat on.
01:33:28Unreal.
01:33:28And he brought me
01:33:30and the camera
01:33:31and the audience
01:33:32into stuff
01:33:32that no one
01:33:33was getting access to
01:33:34because Customs and Border Protection
01:33:36had a gag order.
01:33:38No one could speak.
01:33:39And it was insane.
01:33:42So the problem right now,
01:33:44whatever media you're watching,
01:33:47everything's got a bias.
01:33:48Not the real story.
01:33:48Everything's got a bias.
01:33:50And so some people
01:33:51didn't even know
01:33:52there was a situation
01:33:53really going on.
01:33:55Other people think like
01:33:56America's going to blow up tomorrow.
01:33:59And there's no real place to go
01:34:02where truth is the North Star.
01:34:04At least I haven't found it
01:34:06in media.
01:34:07I don't know where you go.
01:34:08You have to read wide.
01:34:10You have to watch wide.
01:34:11So again,
01:34:12a lot of the benefits
01:34:14you have in this country,
01:34:15freedom is one of those.
01:34:17Amazing,
01:34:18limited restrictions,
01:34:20but also massive optionality
01:34:21and the inability to coordinate.
01:34:24Right?
01:34:24Like you can't get top down with that.
01:34:26The same thing
01:34:26where I don't think
01:34:29that this is the case
01:34:30in the UK.
01:34:30Right?
01:34:31You have
01:34:31Northumbria Police Constabulary,
01:34:33which will be for Newcastle,
01:34:35the city that I was from,
01:34:37Northumbria being the county.
01:34:39And it's one cohesive unit.
01:34:42Yep.
01:34:43And there'll be divisions
01:34:44and whatever else in that.
01:34:45But this means
01:34:46if you've got the sheriff
01:34:47and his guys,
01:34:48then you've got Austin PD
01:34:49and their guys,
01:34:50and then there's probably
01:34:51some bullshit
01:34:51with like Travis County
01:34:52as well too.
01:34:54Trying to coordinate that
01:34:55because you've got
01:34:56these systems
01:34:57that are all trying
01:34:58to interlock
01:34:59and there'll be
01:35:00a little bit of power struggle
01:35:01and it doesn't take much.
01:35:02Anybody that's worked
01:35:03in a company
01:35:03that's grown quickly
01:35:04or anybody that's been
01:35:05a part of a startup
01:35:06or seen any business
01:35:08that's trying to grow
01:35:09as soon as you go
01:35:10from founder
01:35:11plus founder and assistant
01:35:13plus founder and assistant
01:35:13or something,
01:35:14it doesn't take long
01:35:15before the diseconomies
01:35:17of scale
01:35:17really come online.
01:35:18All the coordination,
01:35:19the communication problems,
01:35:20things get missed.
01:35:22Everybody's doing
01:35:22the fucking Spider-Man
01:35:23mean thing
01:35:24where they're looking
01:35:24at someone else
01:35:25whose job it's supposed to be.
01:35:26Sure.
01:35:27That's what you have
01:35:28in a country
01:35:29that's like that
01:35:30and because it's so new,
01:35:32there can be
01:35:33little power grabs
01:35:34or we'll build this,
01:35:35we'll build that
01:35:35and before you know it,
01:35:37why haven't we pruned
01:35:39this area
01:35:40of this particular bureaucracy
01:35:42and the disadvantage
01:35:44that we have in the UK
01:35:45is that because
01:35:46it's been around
01:35:47for so long,
01:35:48we've accumulated
01:35:49loads of pomp
01:35:50and circumstance
01:35:50and bullshit.
01:35:52Like there are all
01:35:53of these,
01:35:54when I graduated
01:35:55from university,
01:35:56both times,
01:35:57there's this insane
01:35:59procession of stuff.
01:36:01there's a mace bearer,
01:36:03the dude carrying
01:36:03a fucking medieval weapon
01:36:04and everybody
01:36:06dots their caps
01:36:07in different orders
01:36:08to people
01:36:09based on hierarchy
01:36:10and it's like cool
01:36:11and kitschy
01:36:12and old and worldy
01:36:13or whatever,
01:36:14this old university thing.
01:36:17But like,
01:36:18that's also the way
01:36:19that the police is run
01:36:20and that's also the way
01:36:21that people are voted in
01:36:22and that's also the way
01:36:23that the House of Commons works
01:36:24and that's also the way
01:36:25the banking system works.
01:36:26So because it's old,
01:36:28you have a lot
01:36:29of the bullshit
01:36:29that's been pruned
01:36:30is good
01:36:31because things
01:36:31that weren't able
01:36:32to contribute
01:36:33have been gotten rid of
01:36:34but there's also loads
01:36:35of superfluous
01:36:36like horse shit
01:36:37that's in there too.
01:36:38So it's just,
01:36:39again,
01:36:39the only two countries
01:36:40that I can speak on
01:36:41with any degree
01:36:42of non-expertise
01:36:43is the UK
01:36:44and the US
01:36:44and what I see
01:36:45in the US
01:36:46is like a huge
01:36:47coordination problem
01:36:48because it's so big
01:36:49and so sprawling
01:36:50and there's been,
01:36:51I don't want to say
01:36:52a power grab
01:36:52but you guys
01:36:54have had to build quickly
01:36:55for 250 years.
01:36:57Yeah,
01:36:58three lifetimes.
01:36:59Dude,
01:36:59it is nothing.
01:37:01Nothing.
01:37:02Trees in my garden
01:37:04that are older
01:37:05in the UK
01:37:05that are older
01:37:06than this fucking country.
01:37:07Yeah.
01:37:08So it's,
01:37:09it's not a surprise
01:37:11that it's a challenge
01:37:11and then changing technologies,
01:37:15you know,
01:37:15whatever's going on geopolitically,
01:37:18people coming across the border
01:37:19like it's fucking gnarly.
01:37:21It's messy.
01:37:24the good side of that
01:37:25would be,
01:37:26hey,
01:37:26without those sheriffs,
01:37:28there's no way
01:37:28any of us
01:37:29would have seen
01:37:30what I could show
01:37:31if it was all,
01:37:32it was completely
01:37:33top down
01:37:35in that sense.
01:37:36Now,
01:37:37in America's founding,
01:37:40the crown,
01:37:41the king,
01:37:41didn't want
01:37:42us to move past Appalachia.
01:37:45Too much to manage,
01:37:47too many skirmishes
01:37:48with the natives.
01:37:49Yeah.
01:37:49I mean,
01:37:50that's what,
01:37:52it's such a massive thing
01:37:54to manage
01:37:54where
01:37:56if you don't have
01:37:58some of these
01:37:58autonomous things working
01:38:00in the spirit of America,
01:38:03America's all the crazies,
01:38:05you being one of them.
01:38:06Correct.
01:38:07Right?
01:38:07You came here
01:38:08without like,
01:38:09no guarantee.
01:38:11You had your thing going,
01:38:13so you had some footing,
01:38:15some foundation,
01:38:16but think of most
01:38:16that came here.
01:38:17They're like,
01:38:18my family got on a boat.
01:38:19How long was the journey
01:38:23for the original migrants
01:38:26that came to America
01:38:27a few hundred years ago?
01:38:28It would be six weeks
01:38:29on a ship
01:38:30or something
01:38:31from fucking Ireland,
01:38:32from some port,
01:38:33probably an island
01:38:34or on the west coast
01:38:35of the UK.
01:38:36Yeah.
01:38:37My family came over
01:38:39in 1918
01:38:40on a boat from Italy,
01:38:42from Naples.
01:38:44No English,
01:38:4518 years old
01:38:45was my,
01:38:46it was great-grandparents,
01:38:47so great-grandmother,
01:38:48great-grandfather.
01:38:50They all came
01:38:50into Hoboken, New Jersey.
01:38:52I mean,
01:38:52the first European,
01:38:53no, no,
01:38:54more,
01:38:54like a little bit,
01:38:56like a little bit newer
01:38:57than that.
01:38:58It's like 1800s.
01:39:00Try like,
01:39:02because I have to assume
01:39:03that that would have been,
01:39:051800s,
01:39:06most immigrants
01:39:06from Europe
01:39:07and America
01:39:07spent four to eight weeks
01:39:10at sea
01:39:11by sailing ship.
01:39:12Okay,
01:39:12by the late 1800s,
01:39:13steamships
01:39:14had made it faster.
01:39:15Even one to two weeks
01:39:17on a ship,
01:39:18but that at the start
01:39:19of the 1800s,
01:39:20hey,
01:39:20dude,
01:39:21do you want to go
01:39:22to this place
01:39:22that you have absolutely
01:39:24no idea what it's like?
01:39:25It's basically undeveloped.
01:39:27There isn't much going on.
01:39:28There was a revolution recently.
01:39:29Maybe it's over.
01:39:30I think so.
01:39:30I'm not really too sure.
01:39:31It's going to take
01:39:32between a month
01:39:32and two months.
01:39:33Survival,
01:39:34yeah,
01:39:34maybe.
01:39:36Want to go?
01:39:37That is why
01:39:38this country
01:39:38is filled with people
01:39:39that are risk-takers.
01:39:40They're the progeny
01:39:42of people that went,
01:39:43fuck it,
01:39:44let's get on that ship
01:39:45for two months.
01:39:45Let's do it.
01:39:46And then the ones
01:39:46that went west
01:39:47into native lands,
01:39:50how sketchy
01:39:51would that have been?
01:39:55So it attracts that.
01:39:56It always has.
01:39:57And you're the latest iteration.
01:39:59That's true.
01:40:00Tell me about this thing
01:40:01you did in the Hamptons.
01:40:02Because when you're thinking
01:40:03about rural,
01:40:05off-grids,
01:40:06I don't immediately think
01:40:09of the Hamptons
01:40:11as being in that mix.
01:40:13So the Hamptons
01:40:15met up with this guy,
01:40:16Jimmy,
01:40:17Jimmy Ding.
01:40:18Ding because he fixes surfboards.
01:40:20The Dings on surfboards.
01:40:22Great name.
01:40:23We started at the dump.
01:40:25Dumps.
01:40:26So think of the most bougie,
01:40:28one of the most bougie
01:40:28zip codes in the country.
01:40:30We started at the dumps
01:40:31because Jimmy's
01:40:31old school local.
01:40:33And so what I wanted to show
01:40:34is like you can label
01:40:35the Hamptons.
01:40:36I always thought of starch,
01:40:38linens, helicopters,
01:40:40big pads.
01:40:41But there's a whole
01:40:42working class that lives there
01:40:44in many of these
01:40:45wealthy places, right?
01:40:46So I just got in his story.
01:40:48Fascinating guy.
01:40:49Grew up there.
01:40:50Fisherman.
01:40:51And you see a lot
01:40:52of the tension
01:40:53that exists in these
01:40:55places where
01:40:55the real estate
01:40:57shot up so much.
01:40:58How do you hang on?
01:41:00Right?
01:41:01How does a guy like Jimmy hang on?
01:41:02In what period of time
01:41:03did the real estate
01:41:05go vertical?
01:41:06Well, it was always a
01:41:07place for New York City's
01:41:09elite to get out
01:41:10of the city.
01:41:11It's been desirable
01:41:11for a while.
01:41:12Yeah.
01:41:12But there was enough
01:41:13land and space
01:41:14back in the,
01:41:16I believe his family
01:41:16got a place
01:41:17back in the 50s
01:41:18or 60s.
01:41:19Dirt cheap
01:41:20to get a normal home.
01:41:22And now it's just
01:41:23through the roof
01:41:24and it's everywhere
01:41:24in the country.
01:41:25And I think in the UK
01:41:27too, right?
01:41:28Correct.
01:41:28Yeah.
01:41:29It seems like it's
01:41:29a worldwide phenomenon.
01:41:30It depends where
01:41:31you want to live.
01:41:32The UK is an interesting
01:41:33one.
01:41:34I'm from the most
01:41:35northerly town
01:41:36that isn't Scotland.
01:41:38I'm as far north
01:41:38as you can go.
01:41:40In Game of Thrones,
01:41:41which is loosely based
01:41:42on the War of the Roses
01:41:43from like the 10,000 AD,
01:41:49Winterfell,
01:41:50which is the fucking
01:41:51freezing cold,
01:41:52dark, miserable place
01:41:53that the Starks are from.
01:41:54That's based on Newcastle.
01:41:55So that's Newcastle.
01:41:56And then there's a wall,
01:41:57right?
01:41:57There's the ice wall
01:41:58and that's Hadrian's wall.
01:41:59And that's not far from us.
01:42:00So there is a wall
01:42:02that's still there
01:42:02that was meant
01:42:03to keep the barbarians out
01:42:04and they were the Scots.
01:42:06And if you were to spend
01:42:08maybe now
01:42:11150,000 pounds,
01:42:15so $200,000,
01:42:16something like that,
01:42:17maybe 180,
01:42:18you could get
01:42:19a very nice family home,
01:42:23probably semi-detached,
01:42:24terraced in a,
01:42:26you know,
01:42:27be a 1900,
01:42:30early 1900s build brick.
01:42:32It'll be really nicely,
01:42:34but it's not going to be
01:42:34super cool, modern,
01:42:36but it'll be kitschy
01:42:36and really, really nice
01:42:37and there'll be enough space,
01:42:38especially for something
01:42:39in the UK.
01:42:40If you take that amount of money
01:42:41and try to go to London,
01:42:43you've got two years of rent.
01:42:44Yeah.
01:42:45Or three years of rent,
01:42:46maybe,
01:42:46if you're lucky.
01:42:47It is,
01:42:48the UK,
01:42:49I think,
01:42:50is the,
01:42:51whatever,
01:42:52fifth biggest,
01:42:52tenth biggest economy
01:42:53in the world,
01:42:53something like that.
01:42:55So people look at the UK
01:42:56as a rich country,
01:42:57but the UK is a poor country
01:42:58that surrounds a very rich city.
01:43:01And the city is London
01:43:02and the city is really
01:43:03the city of London.
01:43:04Yeah.
01:43:05And that is the financial hub.
01:43:07And then you've got
01:43:07this sprawl out
01:43:08into Westminster
01:43:09and then London
01:43:10and greater London.
01:43:11And then you get outside
01:43:13of the M25
01:43:14and it starts to fall off
01:43:15a bit more.
01:43:15And then you get to
01:43:16Birmingham and Manchester
01:43:18and Newcastle.
01:43:19And so it's affordable
01:43:20depending on where
01:43:21you want to be.
01:43:22Is there a lot of tension
01:43:23between the London crowd
01:43:25and the rural crowd?
01:43:26Not particularly,
01:43:27at least maybe
01:43:28the rural crowd
01:43:29when it comes to sort of
01:43:30farming and stuff like that.
01:43:31That wasn't something
01:43:32I was integrated in.
01:43:33It certainly felt to me
01:43:34growing up in Stockton
01:43:37on Tees,
01:43:38which is 50 miles south
01:43:39of Newcastle,
01:43:40famous for having
01:43:41the UK's widest high street
01:43:43and the highest teen
01:43:45pregnancy rating
01:43:46in the UK.
01:43:46And then it lost that.
01:43:47You weren't part of that?
01:43:48Or were you?
01:43:49I wasn't.
01:43:49I was desperately trying
01:43:50to contribute,
01:43:50but I was a horrendously
01:43:52uncool teenager.
01:43:54And then I never thought
01:43:58of London as being
01:44:00a part of what
01:44:01I was a part of.
01:44:02Okay.
01:44:03It didn't feel like
01:44:04a part of the same country.
01:44:05It was, I guess,
01:44:07and maybe I went
01:44:08when I was like 17
01:44:10or 18 a few times.
01:44:12But it really is
01:44:15south versus north
01:44:16because the shape
01:44:17of the country
01:44:18is so particular, right?
01:44:20It's long and thin.
01:44:21And you talk about south.
01:44:22No one's talking
01:44:23about east versus west.
01:44:24Like there is a difference
01:44:25between people
01:44:25that are from Liverpool
01:44:26and people that are
01:44:27from Newcastle
01:44:28or people that are
01:44:29from Manchester
01:44:29and people that are
01:44:30from Leeds, right?
01:44:31Going left to right,
01:44:32but no one really
01:44:32gives a fuck.
01:44:33Like it's just people
01:44:34with different silly accents.
01:44:35But north to south,
01:44:37as soon as you get
01:44:37below Birmingham
01:44:38and you start to get
01:44:39toward London,
01:44:41that's when things,
01:44:42there is definitely
01:44:43a sense that,
01:44:44oh, these are
01:44:44two different cultures.
01:44:45Don't forget,
01:44:45they're two kind
01:44:46of different climates.
01:44:48Like it is different
01:44:49to go.
01:44:49It's not that far.
01:44:50It's three hours
01:44:52on a train,
01:44:53a pretty quick train,
01:44:55but it's, you know,
01:44:56400 miles,
01:44:57something like that.
01:44:58Yeah.
01:44:58And that difference
01:44:59is not insignificant
01:45:01when it comes
01:45:02to the weather.
01:45:03Like to go from
01:45:03the northeast
01:45:04where we are
01:45:04to the south coast
01:45:05because also we're
01:45:05next to the North Sea.
01:45:06That's the coldest sea,
01:45:07I think, in the world.
01:45:08And it's really
01:45:10fucking dangerous.
01:45:11But yeah,
01:45:11there is definitely
01:45:13a detachment.
01:45:15If you're not
01:45:15in London,
01:45:17you are not
01:45:18really considered
01:45:20much by the press.
01:45:22Press stories
01:45:22aren't bothered
01:45:23about what's going
01:45:23on in fucking
01:45:24Rotherham, right?
01:45:25They don't care
01:45:26about whether
01:45:26Stoke-on-Trent
01:45:27has got
01:45:28some issue
01:45:30that's occurring
01:45:31locally, socially.
01:45:32It will be
01:45:33on local news,
01:45:33but it's not going
01:45:34to break out
01:45:34into national news.
01:45:35So it is
01:45:36all of the
01:45:37money and all
01:45:38of the attention
01:45:39is just focused
01:45:40on London.
01:45:41And that's fine.
01:45:42What about
01:45:43Isle of Man?
01:45:44Is that when you
01:45:44have big bucks
01:45:45and you're trying
01:45:46to avoid the taxes?
01:45:47I don't know
01:45:48whether there's
01:45:48a tax haven out there.
01:45:49I know there's
01:45:49a big festival.
01:45:50I've been to,
01:45:52I spent a little bit
01:45:52of time near there
01:45:54and it's a retirement
01:45:57place for a lot
01:45:58of people.
01:45:58I know that's
01:45:59interesting.
01:45:59I mean, dude,
01:46:00if you look at
01:46:00even the UK,
01:46:02the fucking Hebrides,
01:46:03these islands
01:46:04off the northwest
01:46:04west of Scotland,
01:46:06I think.
01:46:08Can you pull up
01:46:09Google Maps?
01:46:09Jared, we can just
01:46:10do it on the big screen.
01:46:11Just search Hebrides
01:46:12for me.
01:46:13And it is
01:46:15so fucking cool
01:46:16up there.
01:46:18I got to get out there.
01:46:19Fred again
01:46:20did a tour
01:46:21of Stornoway,
01:46:23I think it was.
01:46:24So Stornoway
01:46:25is one of these islands.
01:46:27And yeah,
01:46:28just the amount
01:46:31of variety
01:46:32that you do have
01:46:33in a place
01:46:33that's got such
01:46:34population density
01:46:35is pretty fucking
01:46:35cool.
01:46:36Yeah, the Hebrides.
01:46:37So look at that,
01:46:38dude.
01:46:38Look at where that is.
01:46:39So zoom in for me,
01:46:40Jared.
01:46:41Kirkwall,
01:46:42what's up there?
01:46:43Yeah,
01:46:44so look at this,
01:46:44dude.
01:46:45Wow.
01:46:45That's the Hebrides
01:46:46there.
01:46:46And it's just such a,
01:46:48so this was
01:46:49halfway between
01:46:51what the
01:46:52fingers,
01:46:53I think,
01:46:54were from
01:46:55Game of Thrones.
01:46:55Look at me,
01:46:56the only reference
01:46:56I can give you
01:46:57is fucking
01:46:57Game of Thrones
01:46:58things.
01:47:00But yeah,
01:47:01all of that,
01:47:02that's the Isle of Skye
01:47:03that you can see
01:47:04there,
01:47:04S-K-Y-D.
01:47:06I bet the accent
01:47:07really changes out there,
01:47:09huh,
01:47:09on some of those islands.
01:47:10I don't know,
01:47:11I'm not Scottish
01:47:12enough to be able
01:47:12to tell you
01:47:14what the difference
01:47:16would be
01:47:16between them
01:47:17and somebody
01:47:17that's maybe
01:47:18from Glasgow.
01:47:18Go across for me,
01:47:20Jared,
01:47:20just pan east.
01:47:21Okay,
01:47:21so Berwick-upon-Tweed,
01:47:22top right.
01:47:23Okay.
01:47:23There.
01:47:24That is the border.
01:47:25So you can see
01:47:26the border
01:47:26sort of cutting through
01:47:27and then it cuts down
01:47:28to Northumberland
01:47:29National Park
01:47:29and there's Anik,
01:47:30which is a place
01:47:31that I would go
01:47:32and go to like
01:47:34there's some national parks,
01:47:35the equivalent
01:47:35of national parks
01:47:36in the UK.
01:47:37The difference
01:47:37between Berwick-upon-Tweed,
01:47:40Anik,
01:47:41and Dunbar
01:47:42is Anik
01:47:44completely
01:47:45English accent.
01:47:47Berwick-upon-Tweed
01:47:48is 20 miles away.
01:47:51You're like,
01:47:51there's something
01:47:51going on here
01:47:52and then by the time
01:47:53that you get
01:47:53to another 20 miles away
01:47:54in Dunbar,
01:47:55it is completely Scottish.
01:47:56So the difference
01:47:57is so fucking stark.
01:47:59Remembering that
01:48:00this isn't like
01:48:01driving across the border
01:48:02from France
01:48:03to fucking Switzerland
01:48:05or something.
01:48:06This is you
01:48:07being in the same money,
01:48:11the same everything,
01:48:12but just is so,
01:48:13and then pan down
01:48:13a bit more for me
01:48:14and then you can see
01:48:15there's Newcastle.
01:48:16So that's the place
01:48:16that I grew up in
01:48:18and then Stockton
01:48:18on Tees below it,
01:48:19which is where
01:48:20I actually was born.
01:48:22So yeah,
01:48:22the north of the UK
01:48:23is kind of fascinating.
01:48:24But dude,
01:48:24you keep going down
01:48:25and you keep going down.
01:48:26There's Leeds.
01:48:27People are kind of
01:48:27interested in Leeds.
01:48:28There's Manchester,
01:48:29Liverpool.
01:48:30Okay,
01:48:30there's some ports
01:48:30and shit that are
01:48:31going on there,
01:48:32but no one gives a fuck.
01:48:33Sheffield,
01:48:33no one gives a fuck.
01:48:34Nobody cares at all.
01:48:36Keeping going down.
01:48:37Stoke-on-Trent,
01:48:38definitely no one gives a fuck.
01:48:39Nottingham,
01:48:40nothing.
01:48:40Birmingham,
01:48:41kind of a little bit.
01:48:41I guess Manchester,
01:48:42a little bit.
01:48:43There's some stuff going on.
01:48:44You're still going down.
01:48:45You're still at Peterborough,
01:48:46absolutely nothing.
01:48:47Cambridge,
01:48:48Oxford,
01:48:48Luton,
01:48:49St. Albans,
01:48:49and then you get to London.
01:48:51You've got the M25,
01:48:52which is that ring
01:48:53that goes around
01:48:54the outside of it.
01:48:56And if you're outside that,
01:48:57people kind of don't really
01:48:58care all that much.
01:49:00There's some bits
01:49:01that people give a shit
01:49:01if there's a big deal
01:49:02in Manchester,
01:49:03maybe Birmingham,
01:49:04but you get away from this
01:49:06and people really don't care.
01:49:09They don't even go out
01:49:10to Dover, right?
01:49:11No,
01:49:12no,
01:49:12not really.
01:49:13I don't think...
01:49:13Come on,
01:49:13Tabin and Dover.
01:49:14Yeah.
01:49:14Did you know there's an island
01:49:16in the United States
01:49:17and Maryland
01:49:17that some of the old timers
01:49:19still speak a form
01:49:21of Elizabethan English?
01:49:23No,
01:49:23but I completely endorse it.
01:49:25Yeah.
01:49:25So I met this guy,
01:49:26I made a video with him.
01:49:28He's actually in the book too.
01:49:29His name's Jerry.
01:49:30His family's been there
01:49:31374 years.
01:49:33And he's got,
01:49:34you're going to love the accent.
01:49:36Is there a video of this guy?
01:49:37Can we get a video of him up?
01:49:38Okay,
01:49:39what do we search?
01:49:40Smith Island.
01:49:41I would just type in
01:49:43Peter Santanello,
01:49:44Smith Island.
01:49:45A lot of Brits
01:49:46watch my channel too.
01:49:48And they're like,
01:49:48that guy sounds
01:49:50straight out of Leeds.
01:49:51I forget where.
01:49:52Okay.
01:49:52Oh,
01:49:52this is going to be
01:49:53fucking fascinating.
01:49:53Allow me to diagnose his accent.
01:49:55He's a water man.
01:49:57That's a British term,
01:49:59right?
01:49:59This one?
01:49:59His family lived on that one?
01:50:00Yeah, that one.
01:50:02Hey,
01:50:02how you doing?
01:50:04Funny.
01:50:05He's a yarny too.
01:50:07I mean,
01:50:07this guy is...
01:50:07He's a yarny.
01:50:08What's a yarny?
01:50:09Is that a British word?
01:50:11Yarny,
01:50:12which means,
01:50:13it's like an old English word for friend.
01:50:15That means friend.
01:50:16Yarny.
01:50:16Yeah.
01:50:17Is this the guy that you're thinking has got an English accent?
01:50:23Yeah,
01:50:23I guess not.
01:50:24No,
01:50:24no.
01:50:25I'm sorry.
01:50:25It's southern.
01:50:27It's very fucking southern.
01:50:28There might be a little something going on.
01:50:29A few words come through.
01:50:30All right,
01:50:30let me see someone else.
01:50:32Let me hear these guys talk.
01:50:34Four or five days would be a good soak time for them now.
01:50:37Yeah.
01:50:38I guess the kittyfish is eating them all up.
01:50:40They're eating oysters.
01:50:41I don't know what he's saying.
01:50:42They're eating oysters too?
01:50:44Yeah,
01:50:44the man has it on their pictures.
01:50:46He had minos,
01:50:48oysters,
01:50:49big clams,
01:50:50and a lot of cribs.
01:50:52Okay,
01:50:53so,
01:50:53I mean,
01:50:54they look like lovely gentlemen.
01:50:56I wholeheartedly,
01:50:57You're not hearing it.
01:50:58I wholeheartedly support
01:50:59a like accent-driven recolonization of this country
01:51:03from England,
01:51:04but that is fucking cultural appropriation
01:51:08if ever I've heard it,
01:51:09if you think that that guy sounds English.
01:51:11I'm sorry.
01:51:13Not pissing on the parade.
01:51:14Jerry's a great guy.
01:51:15Let's see that guy.
01:51:16Let's see that guy in the black t-shirt.
01:51:18Last chance.
01:51:18Scoot back.
01:51:19Press that.
01:51:19Yeah.
01:51:20Or is that the same bloke?
01:51:20Yes, Jerry.
01:51:21Go.
01:51:22Okay,
01:51:22so maybe it's a bit of a stretch.
01:51:24He says some old English words.
01:51:28Okay.
01:51:28I don't care about the words.
01:51:29What I care is how they're said.
01:51:30Yeah.
01:51:31You know what I mean?
01:51:31It's not what you say.
01:51:32It's how you say it.
01:51:32It's got a bit of a Carolina brogue to it.
01:51:34Yeah.
01:51:35Well,
01:51:35look,
01:51:35me with my smoking pipe,
01:51:37I can.
01:51:41That might help.
01:51:43After all of the different communities
01:51:45that you've spent time with,
01:51:46Yeah.
01:51:46Like Navajo,
01:51:48Amish,
01:51:48you pick,
01:51:50which one could you see yourself
01:51:52most living with full-time,
01:51:54do you think?
01:51:55Man.
01:51:57You have to up six,
01:51:59and you have to spend the rest of your days
01:52:00somewhere with a community of people.
01:52:04Where would it be?
01:52:05I like being a free agent so much.
01:52:08You know what I mean?
01:52:08I respect and honor all these groups,
01:52:10and I can admire what they're doing,
01:52:12and the families that's been in a place
01:52:14for 10 generations.
01:52:15That's really cool.
01:52:17But I've always had friends from every background
01:52:19and never belonged to a specific group.
01:52:23And that scares me for some reason,
01:52:25like just being in that group dynamic.
01:52:27Do you feel displaced a lot of the time from that?
01:52:29No,
01:52:30it's almost like I belong everywhere
01:52:33and belong nowhere at the same time.
01:52:35Like I like learning
01:52:36and like getting into different groups,
01:52:38but to be Amish,
01:52:40maybe two years,
01:52:41but then after a year or two,
01:52:43you're like,
01:52:43do you think this would be harder?
01:52:45Obviously,
01:52:45you did this before you met your missus,
01:52:47but do you think this would be harder
01:52:48if you didn't have the unit,
01:52:51like the you and another person
01:52:53relationship unit thing?
01:52:56Because it feels to me like
01:52:57it could be quite destabilizing.
01:53:00You might feel a little uncertain and grounded.
01:53:03A hundred percent.
01:53:03So my wife edits.
01:53:05So this is our baby,
01:53:07this whole thing.
01:53:07Oh, cool.
01:53:08This channel.
01:53:08It's a family affair.
01:53:09Family affair.
01:53:10We got a mini dog.
01:53:11So that's like,
01:53:12that's the extent of it.
01:53:14So we-
01:53:16So it's you and a GoPro?
01:53:17It's me and a GoPro.
01:53:18I figure out the story.
01:53:19She edits.
01:53:20Wow.
01:53:22But we weren't-
01:53:22Commandeered some Ukrainian workforce.
01:53:27There are hardworking people.
01:53:30It wasn't my intention,
01:53:32but it turned out that way
01:53:33that we're just-
01:53:33Unreal.
01:53:34We're fully in it together.
01:53:35So we have that bond,
01:53:37but totally,
01:53:38if I had to hire an outside editor
01:53:40and it was just like
01:53:41sending files of video off
01:53:42and working that way,
01:53:43I think you're right.
01:53:44I think it would be-
01:53:45Destabilizing.
01:53:47Destabilizing.
01:53:48But I come,
01:53:48we're very tight.
01:53:50I mean,
01:53:50okay,
01:53:50the only two other people,
01:53:51we have a guy that does translations
01:53:53in Thailand,
01:53:53American guy.
01:53:54Mm-hmm.
01:53:55Ah,
01:53:55just to do the translations for videos
01:53:57in a virtual assistant in Thailand
01:53:59that,
01:54:00no,
01:54:01Philippines.
01:54:02Lean team.
01:54:02That takes my emails
01:54:03and puts them in monday.com
01:54:05for organization.
01:54:07That's it.
01:54:07Do you know Ryan Trahan?
01:54:09Do you know him?
01:54:10Yeah.
01:54:10Yeah.
01:54:10So Ryan got rid of everybody.
01:54:13No way.
01:54:13Just him and an iPhone.
01:54:14Are you serious?
01:54:15He doesn't,
01:54:15who edits?
01:54:16Him.
01:54:17You serious?
01:54:17Correct.
01:54:18The guy that's doing numbers
01:54:20not far off Mr. Beast.
01:54:22Wow.
01:54:22Is him and iPhone.
01:54:24His wife's there,
01:54:25but just,
01:54:26I think,
01:54:26largely hanging
01:54:27and just like kind of a moral support.
01:54:29Good for him.
01:54:29Him with an iPhone
01:54:31and yeah,
01:54:32he's just in.
01:54:33Because here's the deal
01:54:34with this works.
01:54:36I got the logistics of it.
01:54:37Got to get to the location.
01:54:38Got to figure out the story first.
01:54:40It's a day of shooting.
01:54:42You can either be
01:54:43more of a creator
01:54:45or more of a manager
01:54:46in the video space,
01:54:48I think.
01:54:49Correct.
01:54:49And I don't want to manage.
01:54:51Like it hurts
01:54:52the quality of the video.
01:54:54I remember I had someone
01:54:55working for me
01:54:55and she was great.
01:54:56She set up a lot of stuff
01:54:57in the channel,
01:54:58but there was drama
01:54:59before going out
01:55:00to a video
01:55:01and my password,
01:55:02Facebook password
01:55:03was given to a marketing company
01:55:04and I'm like,
01:55:05oh,
01:55:06like dealing with chaos
01:55:08and then we had to blow up.
01:55:09It wrecks the video.
01:55:10And then I wrecked the video
01:55:12because I went out there
01:55:12and I was late
01:55:13and everything got messed up.
01:55:14So I need to be
01:55:15in my own head
01:55:16and space
01:55:16a long time
01:55:17with no interruptions.
01:55:19There's an essay
01:55:19called
01:55:20Manager Mode
01:55:21vs. Maker Mode
01:55:22by Paul Graham
01:55:23who is the main guy
01:55:25at YC.
01:55:25Yep.
01:55:26And it is
01:55:27kind of a fundamental frame
01:55:30that everybody needs to know.
01:55:32You cannot be in Maker Mode
01:55:34if you're in Manager Mode.
01:55:36It's actually impossible.
01:55:38And basically,
01:55:40as soon as you get
01:55:41drawn into
01:55:43admin,
01:55:44executive function,
01:55:46planning,
01:55:47logistics,
01:55:48operations,
01:55:48as soon as you do that,
01:55:49no matter what it is,
01:55:50your capacity
01:55:51to get back
01:55:52into
01:55:53blue sky,
01:55:54sort of fluid thinking,
01:55:56just vibing with it,
01:55:57man,
01:55:58world
01:55:59is basically impossible.
01:56:00And this is the trajectory.
01:56:01I was literally talking
01:56:02to Ryan Long
01:56:02about this today.
01:56:05This is the trajectory
01:56:06where people get things wrong
01:56:07when they try
01:56:08to build a business.
01:56:09And it's a temptation.
01:56:10They get things wrong.
01:56:12It is a
01:56:13hurdle that you need to get.
01:56:15It is a series of hurdles,
01:56:16an endless series of hurdles
01:56:17you always need to get over.
01:56:18And it's at each one of them
01:56:20that you fall at,
01:56:21it slows things down
01:56:22and it worsens the quality
01:56:23of your output.
01:56:25100%.
01:56:25It's dangerous.
01:56:27And some people have the skills
01:56:28that they can flip
01:56:29between both quickly.
01:56:30I don't have that.
01:56:31I'm yet to meet anybody
01:56:32that is great
01:56:33at going from Manager Mode
01:56:35to Maker Mode.
01:56:35Within the same day,
01:56:36I think you can degrade
01:56:38from starting off
01:56:39making something
01:56:39and then there's a catastrophe
01:56:41and you fall into
01:56:42Logistics Mode.
01:56:43Yeah.
01:56:44I don't know a single person,
01:56:45I've never met a single person
01:56:46who can start a day off
01:56:48in Manager Mode
01:56:48and become Maker Mode
01:56:49after lunch.
01:56:51It straight up
01:56:52is a one-way street.
01:56:54And this is why
01:56:55if you're going to organize
01:56:56your, you know,
01:56:57if you're a burgeoning executive
01:56:58or, you know,
01:56:59an online PT or something
01:57:00and you have calls
01:57:02or you have to do
01:57:02client check-ins
01:57:03or whatever,
01:57:04just pick a day
01:57:05or a bunch of days
01:57:06and have those written off
01:57:07start to finish.
01:57:08All right,
01:57:09I just,
01:57:09I'm in pure Adderall
01:57:11and Newtonic energy
01:57:12like cranking out
01:57:14all of my productivity
01:57:15and then I leave myself
01:57:17time that's sacred
01:57:18or the alternative
01:57:19if you can't take
01:57:20entire days
01:57:21is to have your morning
01:57:22because you can go
01:57:23from maker to manager
01:57:24but you can't go
01:57:25from manager to maker.
01:57:26Yeah, that makes sense.
01:57:27That's the way to do it.
01:57:27Peter Santanello,
01:57:28ladies and gentlemen,
01:57:29dude,
01:57:29you absolutely fucking rule.
01:57:30Thank you.
01:57:31I think your content's amazing.
01:57:32I really applaud you
01:57:33for trying to bring
01:57:34lightness and,
01:57:35you know,
01:57:36levity to stories
01:57:37that people think
01:57:37is a little bit more dark.
01:57:39Where should people go
01:57:40to get everything?
01:57:42On everything,
01:57:43just Peter Santanello,
01:57:44tough name to spell,
01:57:45so Peter Sant
01:57:46and I'll usually come up.
01:57:48I got a website
01:57:49with everything,
01:57:49the book tour coming up.
01:57:50I don't know
01:57:51when you're posting this.
01:57:51It's got a book tour.
01:57:52I'm all over the country
01:57:53signing books.
01:57:54Unreal.
01:57:54Got the book dropping,
01:57:56got the videos on YouTube.
01:57:58So.
01:57:59You're the man.
01:58:00That's where it's at.
01:58:00I really appreciate you
01:58:02and what you do,
01:58:02so thanks for,
01:58:03thanks for the great conversation.
01:58:04It's a pleasure, man.
01:58:05Yeah.
01:58:05All right.
01:58:05Goodbye, my beauties.
01:58:06All right.
01:58:06See you next time.
01:58:07Dude.
01:58:07Yes.
01:58:08Thank you.
01:58:08Fuck you.
01:58:08Thank you very much
01:58:11for tuning in
01:58:12if you enjoyed that episode.
01:58:13Another one
01:58:14that I know you'll love.
01:58:16It's just here.

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Peter Santenello is an independent journalist, YouTuber, & author. Who are the forgotten people of rural America? The country’s political and moral divisions may stem not only from disagreement, but from distance, countless communities and subcultures living entirely separate lives, with little understanding of one another. So what is life really like in these overlooked towns, who still calls them home, and do they represent a version of the “real America” the rest of the country has forgotten? Expect to learn what Peter learned about America from traveling to 85 different countries, what’s actually going on in rural America nobody really sees or has forgotten about, what’s actually going on in the drug crisis in America, Peter’s biggest lessons from the Amish, the most misunderstood community in America and much more… - Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get up to 20% off Timeline powered by Mitopure (now at a lower price) at https://timeline.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠https://chatgpt.com - 0:00 What Inspired Peter to Travel? 4:57 The Isolation of Living Abroad 10:04 The World’s Most Underrated Destinations 14:41 How Ukraine Changed Peter’s Path 23:44 What Americans Don’t Understand About America 26:19 What We Can Learn From Native Americans 30:44 Do Native Communities Still Hold Resentment? 36:53 Is This the Worse Place in America? 46:14 Is Fentanyl America’s Biggest Crisis? 51:20 The Amish Trick Everyone Falls For 59:18 Inside the Intensity of Jewish Life 01:05:14 Are Company Towns Modern-Day Slavery? 01:11:12 The Surprising Diversity of the US Landscape 01:16:39 What Will the World Look Like in 5 Years? 01:26:14 What’s Really Happening at the Mexican Border? 01:43:22 How the UK Really Sees London 01:49:14 Are People Still Speaking Elizabethan English in Maryland? 01:51:43 Why Strong Communities Matter More Than Ever 01:57:27 Where to Find Peter - Check out Peter's resources below: Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Your-Fellow-Americans/Peter-Santenello/9781668214343 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/petersantenello Website: https://petersantenello.com/ - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spotify.modernwisdom.com or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.modernwisdom.com Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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