Men don’t want to hear this (it’s holding them back)

CChris Williamson
Mental HealthManagementMarriage

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00:00:00What have you learned about the language of masculine and feminine is not one that I am
00:00:07super familiar with and I think maybe part of it is that there's a good amount of shame
00:00:11attached to that as you suggested.
00:00:17It's cool to say attuned, connected, dropped in, aware, transcending including like Wilberian
00:00:26language type stuff as a guy.
00:00:28That still feels, it's the same as Joe's vulnerability definition, right?
00:00:32It still feels like kind of strong, but to say, "Oh, I need to embrace my feminine
00:00:37energy," go fuck yourself, man.
00:00:39My irrationality.
00:00:40That's a big one.
00:00:41Irrational.
00:00:42Yeah.
00:00:43I mean, this is the critique that men have of their wives and girlfriends, "She's so irrational."
00:00:48We are irrational.
00:00:49I think this is one of the big tricks that men play on themselves as they pretend that
00:00:52the women in their lives and they project all of the irrationality onto them.
00:00:55How irrational is it to try to get more and more and more money and more and more status
00:00:58past a certain point?
00:00:59That is hyper irrational.
00:01:01To what end are you-- You have proved to yourself that the thing
00:01:03that you are attaining is not the thing that makes you happy and yet you're still trying
00:01:07to attain more of it.
00:01:08Deeply irrational.
00:01:09Well done, dude.
00:01:10Yeah.
00:01:11Super, super fucking clever.
00:01:12So those pieces, feminine, irrational, singing, dancing, flowing, enjoying one's body, right?
00:01:22I think even from what I hear and I've experienced with myself, part of what men get out of their
00:01:27sexual relationships is many times they're able to be with someone that is more capable
00:01:31of pleasure than they are and they're able to vicariously participate in the pleasure
00:01:36and they're making it happen and that's good enough for them.
00:01:39Now they're not experiencing it at the same full body level that their partner is perhaps
00:01:44capable, but they're close to it.
00:01:46Well think about that if you want to really fucking point the finger at guys.
00:01:50How many guys during sex treat sex as another business that they need to successfully exit?
00:01:57Well, if I can go through this particular sequence of steps and in the past I've managed
00:02:02to build and exit a similar business in this particular way, so I've got a blueprint and
00:02:08I've got a few tricks up my sleeve that I can deploy in this way.
00:02:12It's like, "Oh, not only did you turn your video game Hades 2 into a business that you
00:02:17had to optimize, but you turned this thing which is supposed to be like loving presents
00:02:24into a business that you're supposed to build and exit."
00:02:28And what I've seen in myself that I believe could be a pattern at least with some men is
00:02:33the part of what drove early Charisma on Command and early Charlie was deep people pleasing
00:02:41that was particularly directed at women.
00:02:43Like I was okay if some of the guys didn't like me, but I desperately, desperately wanted
00:02:47women to like me and was willing to shape my habits, my exercise routine, everything to
00:02:53bring in as much female attention as I could.
00:02:57And I know that experience in sex of trying to make it good for the other person at a high
00:03:03level which I didn't realize.
00:03:05You do that for long enough, you just want to get out of there.
00:03:08I'm tired of just trying to make this other person happy and it can create, you don't realize
00:03:13it or I didn't realize it, shadow frustrations, shadow resentments, shadow things because
00:03:18you don't know, and I've heard you talk about this, you're so obsessed with meaning that
00:03:22you don't know how to access pleasure.
00:03:24Yeah, that's, I mean, the Frankel's inverse law I think is so fucking prevalent, dude.
00:03:31That's another one that's robust.
00:03:32It's a little bit harder for people to grasp and it took a real long time for me to look
00:03:35at.
00:03:36But yeah, if pleasure doesn't come easily to you, you say that pleasure is basically for
00:03:41suckers and you focus on meaning, it's like, I will grind set my way through life because
00:03:47the slow accumulation of progress towards something which is supposed to be a well-meaning goal
00:03:56is kind of more reliable actually, I think, to a lot of men, it's like, it's more objective.
00:04:06It's like, huh, I see where I was on graph yesterday versus today.
00:04:11Again, it's forward projected, the outcome is the meaning in many ways, like, I'm fighting
00:04:16for the freedom of my country, it's this, I know what I'm doing, I'm going to break it
00:04:20into smaller steps, we're going to have these little battles on the way, this is persistent
00:04:24and clean and I'm directed at that thing.
00:04:27Limited chaos, limited uncertainty.
00:04:28Pleasure is right now, it's right now.
00:04:30Right now I could be left, right now I could be right, I'm going to follow this flow and
00:04:34it doesn't provide any long-term guarantees, context or anything, it's gone the next moment.
00:04:40And so it's this obsession with the masculine thread, I think, in many ways of future orientation
00:04:45and driving in towards something rather than can I just be present and understand that I
00:04:50can't control it, it's going to leave and that's okay.
00:04:52Two examples from my life of your Hades II thing, George Mack's 30th birthday in Miami
00:04:58last year, we were playing foot tennis over a net and we were playing this game and I realized
00:05:07that it was competitive but not very beautiful and I said, okay, well why don't we change
00:05:13it to be, even though we're on opposite sides of the net, we'll be part of a team and the
00:05:19goal is to have like the fanciest tricks, like two of the guys are ex-champion freestyle footballers
00:05:25but neither of them were using their skills, both of them were trying to win the game.
00:05:28I'm like, I don't want to see who can do this, I want to hand the ball off to the guy that
00:05:34can do three round the worlds in a row and like watch him do something and go fucking
00:05:38sick dude and then watch him pass it across the net.
00:05:41So he did that and as soon as I said it, one of the guys was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
00:05:45then we can like count how many we do and that can be, I'm like, no, I'm not even doing the
00:05:49thing again.
00:05:50You're reverse engineering it and the second time, it seems to happen around nets I suppose,
00:05:55the second time I was playing pickleball, a co-ed game with this girl who was 21 and Austin,
00:06:03Texas, me and her versus another guy and girl and it's a one-one on games going into best
00:06:11of the final game and we're like, we've done the little thing where you tap paddles over
00:06:15the top of the net and we turn around and we're walking back to the baseline and I'm like,
00:06:18okay, so we need to remember that like when he comes up to the net, he's really bad on
00:06:20his backhand so we can force that in but we need to play into the kitchen, the dinks need
00:06:23to be a little bit wider and we've got to do this and like, look, I'm loving yourselves
00:06:26but we can go with being a little bit deeper in this.
00:06:28She turns to me and she goes, yeah, let's not forget to have fun.
00:06:34I was like, yeah, yeah, very good and that moment of, I can just enjoy what's happening
00:06:44right now.
00:06:45Sure, there are times if you're a neurosurgeon, probably the in-moment enjoyment of what you're
00:06:52doing, that's not the time for it and this is where I think the definition of success
00:07:00that I mentioned earlier on is a really important piece.
00:07:06You can go through life trying to optimize for maximum outcomes, like maximum objective
00:07:11success.
00:07:12Like other people can see it, I can touch it, feel it, put it in a photo album or a bank
00:07:16account or a follower number or whatever online but you will peer over the present moment's
00:07:22shoulder a lot looking for what's coming next, the hyper vigilance will cause you to never
00:07:27really have your mind rest where your feet are.
00:07:30I'm seeing this with my live shows, I'm on tour at the moment playing Regent Theatre this
00:07:34Saturday in LA and I can go out on stage and do my show at like as close to perfect as I
00:07:43can get and never be there, I'm not there, I'm not at the show and in some ways maybe
00:07:51that's part of a flow state but I think even within like the flow stateness, like when you
00:07:56lose yourself in it, you're not fully like, this rules, like this fucking rules.
00:08:04So you have to, I've found for me there are moments where in the set I can pause and be
00:08:10like, for just like two seconds, I'm like, fuck, I'm there and when I look back, this
00:08:16is how I kind of know that it's working at least a little bit, this is super white belt,
00:08:20like fresh clay shit but that's what I remember.
00:08:24I don't remember delivering the lines, I don't necessarily even remember the laughs or I remember
00:08:29incidents where they break the pattern, so the sound went out in New York and I was working
00:08:34with just the stage wedges pointing at me, bouncing them off the back wall to 1,500 people
00:08:39while they tried to fix the sound.
00:08:41So I had to like freestyle some bullshit on stage and I remember that and that was cool
00:08:46but the only other bits that I remember are where I've gone like, and scene inside of my
00:08:51own mind and gone, here I am, I'm walking back to the baseline and we're about to have fun,
00:08:57we're playing foot tennis and we're going to try and make it beautiful and I get the sense,
00:09:02this is where the success thing comes in, that I don't know if this is true, maybe it gets
00:09:07you from 100% of performance to 150 or 101 or maybe it gets you to 95 or even 90 but regardless
00:09:18of that plane of success, outcome-based stuff, it's like how much more presence and how much
00:09:25more joy and awareness have you got of what's going on and ultimately why are you doing these
00:09:31things?
00:09:32Presumably you're trying to achieve success to create some sort of an emotional state that
00:09:36is sufficiently enjoyable for it to be worthwhile or else why would you be doing it?
00:09:42Even if you ask the why question enough times, it ends up being like, because it feels good,
00:09:46it's like why do you need money to get the house, to get the car, to get the girl, because
00:09:50it makes me feel nice and enough and you're like, well, what if you could access that more
00:09:54directly by just going, fuck, I'm here, yeah, I'm here, I'm fucking here, like holy shit
00:10:05we're alive, yeah, that fucking rules, like you know what I mean?
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Key Takeaway

Men can achieve a deeper sense of success and presence by deconstructing their impulse to optimize every life experience and instead embracing the "feminine" capacity for immediate, non-linear joy.

Highlights

The societal shame attached to men embracing "feminine

Timeline

The Language of Masculine and Feminine Energy

The speakers open by discussing the discomfort and shame many men feel when using terms like "feminine energy." While men are comfortable with terms like "attuned" or "vulnerable" because they still sound strong, they reject concepts like "irrationality" despite exhibiting it themselves. The dialogue highlights how men project irrationality onto the women in their lives while ignoring their own irrational pursuit of endless money and status. This section establishes that the rejection of the feminine is often a rejection of parts of the self that don't fit a rigid, logical mold. Ultimately, the speakers argue that the drive for more status past a point of utility is the height of irrational behavior.

Optimizing Pleasure and the "Business" of Sex

This section delves into how men often experience pleasure vicariously through their partners rather than inhabiting it themselves. A poignant metaphor is used describing men who treat sex like a business they need to "successfully exit" by following a specific blueprint of steps. This optimization mindset turns a moment of loving presence into a task to be completed, leading to what the speaker calls "shadow frustrations" and resentments. The speaker reflects on his own history of people-pleasing and how an obsession with the outcome of a performance can disconnect a person from the actual experience. This illustrates the toxic side of applying a "productivity" lens to intimate and emotional aspects of life.

The Grindset vs. The Present Moment

The conversation shifts to the psychological trade-off between meaning and pleasure, referencing Frankl's inverse law. Men often prefer "meaning" because it feels objective, measurable, and provides a sense of long-term security through progress tracking. In contrast, pleasure is described as chaotic and fleeting because it exists only in the "right now" without any future guarantees. The speakers explain that the masculine thread is often hyper-focused on future orientation and driving toward a goal to avoid the uncertainty of the present. Choosing to follow a "flow" is difficult for many men because it requires letting go of the illusion of control.

Redefining Success Through Presence

Using anecdotes from sports like foot tennis and pickleball, the speaker describes the impulse to turn play into a competitive strategy. He shares a story where a teammate had to remind him to "not forget to have fun" while he was busy analyzing the opponent's backhand. This highlights the difference between maximum objective success, which is visible to others, and internal success, which is felt through presence. The speaker warns that being hyper-vigilant about outcomes causes your mind to never rest where your feet are. This section emphasizes that the most "successful" version of an event is often the one where the participant is actually mentally present.

Breaking the Pattern and Finding Direct Joy

In the final segment, the speaker reflects on his live comedy tour and the difficulty of being present even while performing at a high level. He notes that he often only remembers the moments where the "pattern broke," such as a technical failure that forced him to freestyle. He suggests that we ultimately pursue success to reach a specific emotional state, yet we could access that state more directly by simply acknowledging the miracle of being alive. The video concludes with a prompt to stop peering over the shoulder of the present moment in search of the next achievement. The speaker ends the core discussion by validating that the simplest realization—"I'm here"—is the ultimate goal of all masculine striving.

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