When Did Trying Hard Become Lame? - Joe Santagato

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00:00:00What do you think about the sort of current trend
00:00:01of people trying to be nonchalant?
00:00:04That was such a British pronunciation.
00:00:07Nonchalant.
00:00:08I like that better, to be honest.
00:00:10Nonchalant.
00:00:12Nonchalant.
00:00:14In what way do you mean?
00:00:15Well, you're talking about,
00:00:16I want people to see me trying really hard.
00:00:19Yeah.
00:00:19Trying hard is kind of lame.
00:00:21Yes.
00:00:22To a certain category of people,
00:00:23especially people on the internet,
00:00:24which is why you exist.
00:00:26Everybody, like, thinks it's lame, yeah.
00:00:27So there's...
00:00:30There's a world at the moment
00:00:31that only ever talks in irony.
00:00:34Like, they only ever make ironic sentences
00:00:36and ironic statements.
00:00:37Nobody stands for something legitimately.
00:00:40They only ever stand against things
00:00:41or kind of mock stuff or suggest...
00:00:43It's kind of like the passive-aggressive
00:00:45pushing of your own things.
00:00:47Well, you know, like,
00:00:48this thing's like, all right, I guess.
00:00:49Right.
00:00:50As opposed to,
00:00:51I am giving this my absolute fucking everything.
00:00:53In the UK, for instance,
00:00:55we have tall poppy syndrome,
00:00:57people that try really hard,
00:00:58called keynose.
00:01:00Too keen.
00:01:00You're too keen for this thing.
00:01:02You're too excitable.
00:01:03You'd get called fucking very American
00:01:04if you're that, dude.
00:01:05Like, that...
00:01:06Really.
00:01:07Like, it's...
00:01:08Enthusiasm's locked down on,
00:01:10to a degree.
00:01:10Especially if you come from
00:01:11a working-class background,
00:01:12which is as scum class as I can be.
00:01:16Like,
00:01:16you are kind of
00:01:20encouraged to not
00:01:22get too big for your boots.
00:01:24I must have heard that
00:01:26thousands of times.
00:01:27Don't get too big for your boots.
00:01:28Yeah.
00:01:29Don't have dreams that are too big.
00:01:31The thing
00:01:31with me is, like,
00:01:33I realize that,
00:01:34but if you're...
00:01:35People who are acting nonchalant about,
00:01:37especially about things
00:01:37that they are actually passionate about,
00:01:39it's just insecurity.
00:01:41Like, manifesting in that way,
00:01:43where it's like,
00:01:43I need to appear,
00:01:44like, I'm not really trying,
00:01:45but I am trying or whatever.
00:01:45Like, I'm not insecure about
00:01:48those things.
00:01:50So, I'm like,
00:01:51don't worry, I got them.
00:01:53But I'm not insecure about those things,
00:01:55so I'm willing to try really hard at them
00:01:57and fail and fall on my face
00:01:59or whatever.
00:02:00And it kind of excites me, too,
00:02:01that there's a lot of people
00:02:02that aren't willing to do that.
00:02:04Because it's like,
00:02:04then it feels like
00:02:05I have a leg up on them
00:02:07because I'm willing to
00:02:08hit the ground super hard.
00:02:10Because when I hit the ground,
00:02:11like,
00:02:12then I know, like,
00:02:13you slammed a door in my face
00:02:14so I know, like,
00:02:15okay, I got these to choose from now.
00:02:16Like, at least I have a decision.
00:02:18Like, you made a final decision.
00:02:19Like, that failed.
00:02:21Then I can move on.
00:02:22I'm not nonchalant about it
00:02:23because I'm not even doing it
00:02:26for the perception.
00:02:27I'm doing it for me.
00:02:28And when I say that
00:02:28I want to earn it,
00:02:29it's not necessarily
00:02:30for outside validation.
00:02:31Like, I want to know
00:02:33when I go to sleep at night.
00:02:34Like, you worked hard
00:02:35and you got that thing.
00:02:36That feels really good.
00:02:38Like, that's an amazing
00:02:39feeling to know
00:02:40that I put my all
00:02:42into this thing.
00:02:43It started as an idea.
00:02:44I said it out loud.
00:02:46I worked hard to do it.
00:02:47And then it happened.
00:02:48That's an amazing feeling.
00:02:49There's a quote
00:02:50from Mark Manson.
00:02:51He says,
00:02:52do hard shit,
00:02:53not because it's fun,
00:02:54but because the win
00:02:55actually means something.
00:02:56You bled for it.
00:02:57You broke for it.
00:02:58You earned it.
00:02:59Easy wins are forgettable.
00:03:01Hard ones change you.
00:03:02That's the point.
00:03:03Exactly.
00:03:04What is better than that?
00:03:06There is nothing
00:03:06better than that.
00:03:07This is one of the things
00:03:08I think about
00:03:10the world of AI
00:03:11and how many people
00:03:12are maybe relying
00:03:13on assistance
00:03:14for their job
00:03:15or for their writing
00:03:16or their creative pursuits.
00:03:18And what it's doing
00:03:19is it's actually robbing you
00:03:20of the thing
00:03:21that you came here to get.
00:03:22Yes.
00:03:23The thing that you came here
00:03:24to get is the sensation
00:03:25of I did hard shit.
00:03:28And I got good.
00:03:29I worked hard for this.
00:03:29I got good at it too.
00:03:30And I got good
00:03:30one rep at a time.
00:03:31And yeah,
00:03:32that to me
00:03:33is the biggest payoff.
00:03:34When I could watch
00:03:35something
00:03:36like an old video
00:03:38or I can watch
00:03:39like something
00:03:40from our first shows
00:03:41or just know whatever
00:03:41and I'm just like
00:03:42I'm better than that now
00:03:43which is good.
00:03:45Has anyone ever put together
00:03:46one of those
00:03:46the timeline
00:03:48of
00:03:49Josh Santigo
00:03:51fucking
00:03:52like videos
00:03:53of I'm going to make it worse
00:03:54each time?
00:03:54Piece of shit.
00:03:56I'm going to try this bullshit.
00:03:57You can't
00:03:58shit talk.
00:03:59The Neutronic.
00:04:01Like purposely
00:04:02misquoting everything.
00:04:05That's good by the way.
00:04:07Sorry.
00:04:07Thank you.
00:04:07Good.
00:04:08Get it in.
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00:04:29I was like
00:04:30it's true
00:04:32but it was
00:04:341,100 episodes ago
00:04:35in 2018.
00:04:37Yeah.
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Key Takeaway

Embracing the difficulty of a task and refusing to hide effort behind a persona of nonchalance allows for genuine personal growth and the only type of achievement that produces lasting satisfaction.

Highlights

  • Public displays of effort and enthusiasm are frequently labeled as 'lame' or 'too keen' in modern digital and social environments.

  • People who adopt a nonchalant persona about their passions often do so as a manifestation of underlying insecurity.

  • The satisfaction of achievement comes from the struggle, as easy wins are forgettable while difficult ones change the person.

  • Reliance on AI assistance for creative pursuits removes the essential human experience of putting in the work and getting good through repeated effort.

  • Data from 1,100 podcast episodes recorded since 2018 demonstrates that growth occurs incrementally through consistent, long-term practice rather than immediate perfection.

Timeline

The stigma of trying hard

  • Modern online culture prizes irony and nonchalance over genuine passion.
  • The UK concept of 'tall poppy syndrome' penalizes those who demonstrate high levels of enthusiasm or ambition.
  • Attempts to appear unfazed are often defensive mechanisms rather than genuine reflections of interest levels.

A prevalent trend involves avoiding the appearance of trying hard to circumvent potential judgment. This cultural resistance to enthusiasm creates an environment where people mock rather than stand for ideas. In certain contexts, such as working-class environments, individuals receive warnings against having dreams that are too big for their station.

The necessity of earned success

  • Willingness to fail publicly provides a competitive advantage by allowing for faster iteration and decision-making.
  • True satisfaction comes from the internal knowledge of having put absolute effort into a project.
  • Difficult challenges are fundamentally different from easy wins because they force personal transformation.

Opting out of the nonchalant facade allows an individual to commit fully to a goal regardless of the potential for failure. By removing the need for outside validation, the focus shifts to the personal reward of effort. Hardship and struggle are identified as necessary components for making a win meaningful.

Avoiding the shortcut trap

  • AI-assisted work threatens to deprive creators of the development gained from manual, arduous effort.
  • Comparing current performance to early work proves that success is built one repetition at a time.
  • Consistency in health and creative routines provides a better foundation for long-term output than complex shortcuts.

Reliance on automation for creative tasks can prevent the development of genuine skill. Looking back at early, low-quality content highlights the value of having put in over 1,100 episodes of work to reach a current level of competence. The process of getting good is the primary payoff, rendering shortcuts counterproductive to the ultimate goal of personal improvement.

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