Forget personal development. Read mythology

CChris Williamson
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00:00:00- What do you think about sort of mythology?
00:00:02Is it a, it's not the full dose of religion
00:00:07with some of its sort of stodginess and inaccessibility?
00:00:10- So here's my broad view of religion,
00:00:12spirituality, et cetera.
00:00:14There are these mystics all around the world,
00:00:16Jesus, Muhammad, Rumi, you know.
00:00:19They get it at various levels.
00:00:23It's tough to translate.
00:00:24It's like, how do you say it?
00:00:26First off, how does it come out of your mouth
00:00:28in a way that is honest to your experience?
00:00:30Extremely challenging.
00:00:32And then for somebody who hasn't had that experience,
00:00:33they're gonna write it down now in a book
00:00:35and codify how everyone else needs to be.
00:00:37So I think that's what's going on
00:00:38with a lot of the big books,
00:00:40is that there is a mystical insight
00:00:43from somebody who got it at a very, very, very deep level.
00:00:47Difficult for them to speak,
00:00:48difficult for other people to write down 60 years later.
00:00:51And then we're a lot of people
00:00:53that aren't directly connected with that experience,
00:00:56projecting their mother and their father onto the creator
00:00:59of the universe, that he's upset with me
00:01:00and he wants to punish me.
00:01:01And a lot of that made it into the text.
00:01:03So I don't treat the Bible as literally every word is true,
00:01:09but I treat it as a repository that has been mistranslated
00:01:13some of the time of a brilliant mystic,
00:01:16like somebody who got it.
00:01:18And I treat other texts like that,
00:01:20like there's some level of understanding integration
00:01:23that the person who came up with this had.
00:01:25That's why it survived so long.
00:01:26That's why it was so meaningful to people,
00:01:28even if they couldn't describe why
00:01:30it was so meaningful to them.
00:01:32So Greek, Egyptian, these pantheon gods are really useful
00:01:37for relating to you the archetypal,
00:01:40emotional patterns of life.
00:01:43So for instance, the story of Ares, Aphrodite, and Hephaestus.
00:01:48Hephaestus is the craftsman god.
00:01:51He's got a lame leg.
00:01:54He's a craftsman.
00:01:56You might call him a brainiac.
00:01:57He's not a physical powerhouse.
00:01:59He's the only god that is crippled.
00:02:01He is betrothed and wedded to Aphrodite,
00:02:04the goddess of beauty,
00:02:05but she cheats on him all the time
00:02:06with the alpha chad, Ares, right?
00:02:09So they have a bunch of kids,
00:02:10but the story of Hephaestus and Aphrodite and Ares
00:02:13is that Hephaestus learns that he's being cuckolded.
00:02:15He creates a cage above the bed.
00:02:18Ares and Aphrodite go at it.
00:02:19He drops the cage on them
00:02:20and then brings in all the other gods to laugh at them.
00:02:23And it's like an archetypal exploration
00:02:26of the pain of the academically inclined guy
00:02:31who is hurt by the aggressive masculine man,
00:02:36who takes something that he loves
00:02:39and then moves into his zone of power,
00:02:42which is intellectual and shames him.
00:02:45And you see this play out.
00:02:47I've heard Brennan Lee Mulligan,
00:02:48who you might be familiar with,
00:02:49who's a Dungeons and Dragons guy, very smart,
00:02:51tell his very personal story of he was a smart kid.
00:02:55The tough kids pushed him around, made fun of him,
00:02:56but he got really good at insulting them
00:02:58so he could just cut them to the core
00:02:59because he was smart enough to do it.
00:03:01And so there's these patterns
00:03:03that if you look at these archetypes,
00:03:04almost like Rorschach tests,
00:03:06which is, which one is calling to me?
00:03:09I don't know.
00:03:10There's something about, I'm curious about Ares.
00:03:12I'm curious about this.
00:03:13You look up the story, you read it.
00:03:15What do I make of it is a beautiful way
00:03:17to start to recognize some of these archetypal patterns
00:03:21in your life because they have existed
00:03:23for thousands of years before you.
00:03:25And I could go on and on and on
00:03:27about all the different ones that have been valuable to me.
00:03:29So symbolic, the story is more than just the story.
00:03:34It's less the literal?
00:03:36Is that kind of the, what's the key?
00:03:39So the key that Jung, Peterson, et cetera would say
00:03:42is that these are like metaphysically real
00:03:45in a way that is not just metaphorical or symbolic,
00:03:49that there are, how can I describe this?
00:03:52That there are near universal structures in human psychology,
00:03:56for instance, for father and for mother,
00:04:00that we do not come in utterly blank slate.
00:04:02And there are recurring patterns based on,
00:04:05you could call it evolution, or if you're spiritually based,
00:04:07just like this is what it is to be human,
00:04:10that by relating to these archetypes,
00:04:13seeing how they strike us,
00:04:15we can learn the pieces of ourselves that are missing.
00:04:17So maybe we didn't have the world's greatest mother
00:04:20or greatest father,
00:04:21but if we relate to an archetypal story of a good mother
00:04:25or of the wise father or something,
00:04:28we can re-come into contact with the piece of us
00:04:32that we felt should have been there when we were kids,
00:04:34but we couldn't put our finger on, we couldn't describe,
00:04:36and so we can't explain the pain
00:04:38that we're experiencing of the loss.
00:04:40These stories help us reconnect with that
00:04:42in the same way that the hero's journey
00:04:44inspires young men to go out, be heroes,
00:04:46understand that there's a sacrifice and a rocky montage
00:04:49that they have to go through.
00:04:50These stories give you steps and relationship with,
00:04:55oh, that's what was missing,
00:04:58or, oh, that's what's up next for me.
00:05:00I'll give you one small example of this.
00:05:03Joseph Campbell has this hero's journey that he charts out,
00:05:06and it's basically a clock, where you start up here.
00:05:08Three o'clock, you meet the mentor.
00:05:09You descend into the underworld.
00:05:11It's the belly of the beast.
00:05:12It's the Garden of Gethsemane at the bottom.
00:05:14You come back up, you get the divine revelation.
00:05:16You come back to the community.
00:05:18I had been charting where I was,
00:05:19and he's got basically, I think,
00:05:2112 to 17 different stages, and I found myself,
00:05:24I was like, oh, this is belly of the beast.
00:05:25I am lost, utterly lost.
00:05:28And shortly after that, I was like, what's up next?
00:05:30Temptation of the woman.
00:05:32So in the story of the Odyssey,
00:05:34and stop me if I'm ramming you.
00:05:35- No, dude, I want more myth.
00:05:37- Okay, more myth.
00:05:38In the story of the Odyssey,
00:05:40Odysseus has gone through everything.
00:05:42He had 600 men.
00:05:44They're all dead.
00:05:45He's washed up on this island.
00:05:47He still hasn't arrived home after near,
00:05:48like, 13 years after the Trojan War.
00:05:52He still can't get back to Ithaca.
00:05:54And he's defeated, and he lands on this island.
00:05:57Every island he's gotten to has been torturous,
00:05:59and there is a beautiful nymph named Calypso, a goddess,
00:06:03who just wants to marry him, have sex with him,
00:06:05and keep him there.
00:06:06That's it.
00:06:07Just stay.
00:06:08And so he gets to the end of the journey,
00:06:10and he's offered, just stay with me.
00:06:11He's with a goddess, and he stays for a while,
00:06:14but he ultimately makes the decisions like,
00:06:16no, I have to go back.
00:06:17I know it's gonna be hard.
00:06:19I know it's been brutal to get here, but I have to continue.
00:06:21And this is what Campbell calls the temptation
00:06:23of the feminine, temptation of the woman.
00:06:26And I found myself here, went through the bottom of this ark,
00:06:29and a buy offer comes in for a charisma on command.
00:06:33And it's, dude, you could just ride off in the sunset.
00:06:36You could just put it away.
00:06:37It's, you're frustrated with it.
00:06:38It's not working.
00:06:39Just, you could take the money.
00:06:40I'm dividing it up in my head.
00:06:41How many years?
00:06:42How much of this?
00:06:44And I knew where I was in the journey,
00:06:45and I was able to go, ah, I know this,
00:06:47and this isn't what I want.
00:06:49Even though it's gonna be hard, I want the struggle.
00:06:52There's something, there's a home that is calling me.
00:06:56And so I was able to navigate that
00:06:57with a bit more understanding.
00:06:59And then I knew after that comes atonement with the Father.
00:07:02And so there's this other stage that I had to go through,
00:07:04and I could go on and on and on.
00:07:06And then I knew after that comes apotheosis,
00:07:09which is the connection with the divine,
00:07:10and then the ultimate boon.
00:07:11And right now I sit at the return,
00:07:14which is the refusal to return,
00:07:16is basically where I'm at right now.
00:07:18So after you get the grail, the lamp, the thing,
00:07:20and you've done all that work,
00:07:21oftentimes the hero's like, well, that was really hard.
00:07:24I don't think I wanna go home.
00:07:25I finally made myself comfortable
00:07:27in this other secluded inner world.
00:07:30I don't think I wanna bring this back to the community.
00:07:32And sometimes there's a chase.
00:07:33Sometimes someone has to pull them out of it.
00:07:35But I was like, oh, maybe that's what this podcast is for me.
00:07:38This is Chris inviting me back to the universe.
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Key Takeaway

Mythology provides a timeless, archetypal framework that allows modern individuals to identify psychological patterns and navigate complex life transitions by connecting with universal human experiences.

Highlights

Religion and spirituality often originate from deep mystical insights that are difficult to translate into language and are frequently codified or mistranslated over time.

Mythological pantheons, such as those from Greece and Egypt, serve as practical tools for identifying and relating to universal archetypal emotional patterns.

The story of Hephaestus, Aphrodite, and Ares illustrates the psychological dynamic between intellectual capability and aggressive physical dominance.

Archetypes act as psychological 'Rorschach tests' that allow individuals to reconnect with missing pieces of their identity, such as a missing parental figure.

Joseph Campbell's 'Hero's Journey' provides a structured map of human experience, helping individuals navigate life transitions like the 'Belly of the Beast' or 'Temptation'.

The 'Return' phase of the journey involves the challenge of bringing newfound wisdom back to one's community rather than remaining in a comfortable, secluded inner world.

Timeline

The Evolution of Religious and Mystical Text

The speaker explores the relationship between mythology and traditional religion, viewing the latter as a codified version of original mystical experiences. He argues that figures like Jesus, Muhammad, and Rumi had deep insights that are inherently difficult to translate into words or books. Over decades, these insights are often mistranslated or projected upon by followers who attribute human parental traits, like anger or punishment, to the creator. This section establishes that ancient texts should be treated as repositories of profound understanding rather than strictly literal historical accounts. By looking past the 'stodginess' of religion, one can find the meaningful integration that has allowed these stories to survive for centuries.

Archetypes as Emotional Blueprints

This segment focuses on how Greek and Egyptian pantheons help people relate to archetypal emotional patterns in their own lives. The speaker uses the myth of Hephaestus, the crippled craftsman god, to illustrate the pain of the 'academically inclined' man who is shamed by an 'alpha' figure like Ares. He emphasizes that these stories are not just metaphors but represent recurring human dynamics that have existed for thousands of years. By viewing these myths as a Rorschach test, individuals can identify which archetypal pattern is currently calling to them. This process allows for a deeper recognition of personal struggles through the lens of historical narrative.

The Hero's Journey and Psychological Healing

The discussion shifts to the theories of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell, asserting that archetypes are near-universal structures in human psychology. These structures are not learned but are inherent to the human experience, providing a roadmap for those who may have lacked a 'wise father' or 'good mother' in childhood. By relating to these stories, people can re-establish contact with missing pieces of themselves and explain the source of their emotional pain. The 'Hero's Journey' is highlighted as a specific tool that inspires action and helps men understand that sacrifice and struggle are necessary components of growth. These myths essentially provide the 'steps' for what comes next in a person's life development.

Applying Myth to Personal and Career Transitions

The speaker provides a personal anecdote about using the Hero's Journey to navigate a business decision regarding his company, Charisma on Command. He describes being in the 'Belly of the Beast' and facing the 'Temptation of the Woman,' which he likens to a lucrative buy-out offer that would have allowed him to retire early. Drawing parallels to Odysseus and the nymph Calypso, he explains how recognizing the archetypal stage he was in allowed him to choose the harder path of continued struggle. He also touches upon the 'Atonement with the Father' and 'Apotheosis' as subsequent stages he encountered. This illustrates the practical utility of mythology in making high-stakes life choices and maintaining a sense of purpose.

The Final Stage: The Return and Community

In the final section, the speaker describes his current position in the journey as the 'Refusal to Return.' After obtaining the 'ultimate boon' or profound insight, heroes often feel a reluctance to re-enter the mundane world or bring their gifts back to the community. He suggests that his current podcast appearance might be the catalyst that pulls him back into the 'universe' to share what he has learned. This portion concludes with a transition into a sponsored message for Eight Sleep, detailing the features of the Pod 5 Ultra cooling mattress. The host wraps up by inviting viewers to watch the full episode for a deeper dive into these mythological concepts.

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