Hunter Biden, Matt McCusker & Duncan Trussell - Mostly Wise #2
CChris Williamson
Mental HealthInternet Technology
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00:00:00changed my wife's name to Peter Thiel on my phone why just because I got accused
00:00:06of being in Peter Thiel's pot I don't know I've never met him but people so
00:00:10now anytime my phone my wife calls which is a lot Peter Thiel is calling
00:00:16yeah sure man there's a lot of text from Peter Thiel over here let's talk
00:00:26please no cool angle you know you went with that was a weird direction what he
00:00:34just became the Antichrist guy I saw the talk it's a terrible his
00:00:39interpretation of the book of Revelations is so Silicon Valley because he was like
00:00:44he's basically saying we can fix the book of Revelations patch it like the
00:00:49apocalypse doesn't have to happen I don't want to this on the podcast because I
00:00:53take so much shit that I'm a Peter Thiel sycophant hey by the way oh are we on
00:01:00the podcast right now I saw his phone he's got like a hundred calls from Peter
00:01:03Teal it's my wife he just showed me he just showed all of us I changed just to make it clear I
00:01:10love you I changed my wife's num ah fuck it all right now that's how we're going to play
00:01:17that's it that's it we're away yeah by the way I want everything I want to I want to say this for
00:01:23the record I love Peter Thiel really oh absolutely what do you love about I'm not fucking with Peter
00:01:28Thiel he's in league with the Antichrist I'm not yeah I love this is your set you're saying it's out of
00:01:33fear that's what you're saying oh no no I love Pascal's way this is Biden's way he's the fucking
00:01:38craziest motherfucker of all of them you think have you watched that interview where he just decides
00:01:43that what he's going to start doing is you know as we're talking about Palantir and everything is
00:01:49that he's going to start talking about you know the Antichrist have you watched that interview with
00:01:53it is frightening yeah I didn't make it through I kind of watched it and was like I I just was like
00:02:00it's kind of a cool angle I guess there's like a tech weirdo to be like I know about the end of the
00:02:04world yeah but wouldn't you say like the tech companies it is a religion now it's turning into
00:02:08some kind of apocalyptic eschatological religion they're all building bomb shelters they all know
00:02:14that AI is about to reach some level that is going to completely destabilize societies we know it
00:02:20so it's I mean it's not a cult but most cults what do they talk about the end of the world
00:02:25the imminent eschaton is that how you say it eschaton the apocalypse yeah and so they're all into that
00:02:34because they they know that this stuff is going to destabilize society I can't get down with being
00:02:40afraid of computers it's not like you have to be such a nerd to be looking at your computer like
00:02:45it's going to be my boss I'm not afraid of the computer yeah I'm afraid of those scampering robot
00:02:50dogs yeah that's what I'm afraid of I'm afraid of being in the woods in here one of those DARPA dogs
00:02:55but my thing is you said it before dump so you all you gotta do is dump soda on them fried yeah there
00:03:00you go but have you seen right don't be afraid just pour a coke on it guys you got a cup of coffee in here
00:03:09and you're fucking Duncan you seen those dogs that are patrolling Atlanta downtown Atlanta is so
00:03:14dangerous at the moment that I'm supposedly here it is bro we got this is security right now
00:03:21oh no soul detected eliminated for real yeah the wave but there's it's humans on the other side
00:03:34so it's just oh then we're okay but isn't that isn't that strange that if I'd said oh it's like
00:03:41lidar mapping AI surveillance state everyone would have gone it's already kind of freakish and inhuman
00:03:49yeah but the fact that it's basically replacing a rather than there being a guy there there's a dog
00:03:55there and maybe the guy doesn't need to be in quite so much risk if it's maybe like a gang area or
00:03:59something like that you know like oh but that is that goes to show just how low the bar for not being
00:04:06freaked out is right have you seen the um uh the proliferation of flock cameras just in the last year
00:04:12I've heard about I don't really understand what it is it's gone from like hundreds to hundreds and
00:04:17hundreds of thousands in like all major metropolitan areas they're just a it's a camera technology it's a
00:04:23surveillance technology and they've got drones now they're getting drones they're gonna swarms of
00:04:29flock of these drones are gonna fly over plus the amazon delivery drones there's gonna be this
00:04:35constant buzzing of drones in the sky bringing you shit monitoring you this is where we're headed for
00:04:41sure yeah was it true that pokemon go was that yeah yeah did that get proven that they were basically
00:04:46uh gullible volunteers for mapping the street view of everything I mean we're all gullible volunteers
00:04:52they were just you're you're like able to map the inside of places and just like you could just get a
00:04:57real-time view of everything going on and someone didn't read the terms and conditions that Nintendo
00:05:01put together yeah nobody reads that I don't read that are we afraid of the Japanese what no I think
00:05:07they're our ally Japan's our ally yeah so it's good right well it's corporations though it's not good
00:05:13and they literally have everything we literally have given over our lives to the to the bag of heroin
00:05:17that's sitting in our pocket that's called an iPhone literally everything all of our everything that
00:05:22we feel about anything and the way that we you know uh our our perspective on politics on everybody and
00:05:29everything is you know a uh a by virtue of the of the algorithm that we're fed and we and we give up
00:05:37everything we give up all of our privacy and I'm not saying like you know like they do that like I do it
00:05:43we do it every day every single bit of data that we do whether it's the way that we use any single
00:05:49one of our apps whether it's uber or anything it's all this enormous amount of personal data that we are
00:05:56just like feeding into a you know a corporate entity that they don't I mean and by the way I'm not saying
00:06:02they're inherently evil but what I am saying is is that they're inherently have only one objective
00:06:08is how much money can they extract from us or come yeah yeah true yeah what or what
00:06:14come porn how much how much how much come they're trying to extract oh I mean this is one of the
00:06:20unquantifiables every day how much jizz is being extracted from humanity by phones by technology true
00:06:26you just literally took this conversation to another level I mean I mean it's data it's data
00:06:33dna baby do you ever think about when they I think they eventually will have it set up on like
00:06:38ancestry.com where you're like kids kids can just look at your web history of your whole life and
00:06:43just see everything you've ever looked at I think about that all the time that was basically your
00:06:47life for a while no yeah 100 it wasn't my life speaking of your data being on the internet how do you
00:06:52how does it feel to be the most googled drug addict of all time probably well um
00:06:56at the outset it wasn't very nice it was uh it was pretty debilitating you know I mean
00:07:05I uh to be serious about it is was so completely ubiquitous is that it forced me into this moment
00:07:13where I literally had to make a choice of whether I was going to you know stay in bed and die or you
00:07:18know or or get up and live and um and thank god I chose to get out of bed and and live which created
00:07:28like an incredible freedom in it too I mean at the end of the day without any hyper uh you know melodrama
00:07:39around it is that it really I'm I do have an enormous amount of gratitude of not being stuck in those
00:07:46secrets because those are the things that kept me in my addiction you know that shame yeah what was
00:07:52that like I I'm like kind of fascinated by just now how like with the internet you can just like massively
00:07:57shame people on a scale that I don't think anyone's ever experienced no the first day that came out did you
00:08:02like were you like knowing that was going to come out or did it just kind of like pop out and you're
00:08:05like no completely like the day that it happened oh yeah I mean no warning whatsoever yeah I got a call
00:08:14I just wrote about it on Substack I got a call I went to Palm Springs we thought that we had kind
00:08:20of like made it to the end of the campaign early voting had started things looked really good all of the
00:08:27you know the baggage I'd been sober for a little about about a year in a few months at that time and
00:08:33I was trying to put my life back together getting things straightened like my taxes and things like
00:08:38that um and uh and so a buddy of mine said hey come out to Palm Springs and we'll just like turn off
00:08:48our phones and you know and Melissa and I and we had baby Bo who was uh a few months old and we showed up
00:08:55unpacked our bags and I got a call I should have turned off my phone I got a call from my friend who
00:09:03was also my lawyer and he said hey New York Post is saying something about a laptop and a you know
00:09:11repair shop and you know and you know I had no idea of the enormity of the story and how much
00:09:20Hunter Biden laptop would become just one word uh that would be in to this day is repeated over and over
00:09:28and over again and so for a long time it was really difficult to kind of uh it was like trying to um
00:09:36get your hands around a bowl of jelly uh because there was there was the laptop repair shop story which
00:09:43then became a a story of suppression uh you know first amendment rights and stuff like that which
00:09:49we can talk about all that um but and then it became uh you know Lev Parnas came out and he said
00:09:56this laptop isn't from uh you know repair shop we were uh I was gonna we were out we were going to get
00:10:03the laptop in Ukraine you know three months before the laptop repair shop story ever existed two I just
00:10:10sat down with Tucker and Tucker said well even before that the Israeli uh intelligence met with my
00:10:19producers to um provide us with the same images that came out of the laptop before that and I mean that
00:10:27just came out I mean I sat down with Tucker last week Tuesday and um he told me that story which
00:10:32I didn't even know that yeah explain that story so was it in a shop I can't explain it because it's
00:10:37not my story but it's but but uh Tucker said that he was approached by um uh who he believes to be
00:10:47Israeli intelligence and he sent a producer to meet with them and they uh were pushing stories they were
00:10:54pushing a a narrative that there was um uh uh images that contained um you know miners in it and um and
00:11:05he said his producer looked at it and he's just like this is total but it's like but these guys are
00:11:10clearly you know uh working for some intelligence organization it's funny if they're just new york
00:11:15times reporters yes jewish guys this is a really intelligence for sure so consider the source but my
00:11:26point is is that so it was just like everyone had your laptop not only everyone had it um yes 100 and
00:11:32there's no there is no just look at the I mean just the facts of it understand this is that the amount of
00:11:40data that was dumped obviously didn't come from a single source it came from my cloud it came from
00:11:47years 20 years of digital of my digital footprint all the way back to deleted voicemails like that
00:11:53deleted voicemail from my dad obviously it wasn't on a single laptop but there are emails and text messages
00:12:01and deleted text messages and deleted photographs and photographs and all of that stuff there is the 90
00:12:07percent that of of what is online is from me and um uh but it was all taken and then without any context
00:12:16just it it provided a conspiracy uh in a narrative where you could say hunter biden laptop corruption
00:12:23hunter biden laptop biden crime family hunter biden laptop ukraine hunter biden laptop china i had 20
00:12:30years of experience you know i mean the thing that people uh uh have this the the narrative that took
00:12:36hold in the image that was created of me was this near-do-well fail son who had been drifting off
00:12:43of his father's coattails you know i mean man i whether you like it or not is that i broke my ass off
00:12:49enough to go to yale law school and start my own business and uh and build a family and they conflated
00:12:57my addiction with just complete and utter failure and um and my addiction to crack cocaine in particular which is
00:13:06the most kind of graphic part of my addiction the hardest part was alcohol for me the most dangerous
00:13:12piece of it was alcohol and they conflated those two things and what they did was is that the new
00:13:18new york post was literally in league with steve bannon and a guy named uh miles gao um who's a chinese
00:13:25billionaire who now has served 68 years in prison for fraud and he and they took one they were one silo
00:13:34and they pushed out the images globally there's a whole tape of them literally talking about it
00:13:39and what they were doing and how they were took um uh liberty with the images and how they uh you know
00:13:45created these narratives outside of the united states and pushed it back in and then there was rudy
00:13:50rudy giuliani bernie carrick and rudy giuliani's lawyer and they got their information from a guy
00:13:58named uh andre derkatch who was a gs uh a russian operative inside of ukraine sanctioned by the united
00:14:06states and they warned giuliani that he was talking to a russian operative uh and i mean just the what just
00:14:14came out from trump remember he did that document dump uh recently what the ufo no he just did a
00:14:21document dump where he had the big press conference to be able to show that election interference in
00:14:25in 2020. one of the documents that they mistakenly released classified documents was a report from the
00:14:33ndi saying that vladimir putin was personally running a um an op on joe biden using his uh using u.s
00:14:41officials to um uh uh to uh promote disinformation around hunter biden and um and that was it and they
00:14:50knew it and giuliani knew it at the time what do you think putin's beef with you would be oh it had
00:14:55no beef look none of this is about me right none of it i mean literally i mean i don't i there's nothing
00:15:01that i mean i i feel like i've had a uh uh i i i i am comfortable more comfortable in who i am and what
00:15:11i've achieved in my life and uh and what i haven't in my feelings and more open about it i think than
00:15:17anybody in in you know that i know of at least right now but none of it was about me it's all about power
00:15:24it all is about the most powerful position in the world in which you have control over uh you know
00:15:31uh the the direction of the lives of you know an entire planet and so yeah can you explain that to
00:15:37me like the president how much like power does the president actually have to be like here's how we're
00:15:42doing stuff well i the amount of power that a president has is dependent upon their adherence to
00:15:50the constitution and so part of it is is that whether you recognize the limits to your power
00:15:56and and uh and so i don't think that uh i think that that trump for better or worse um uh well i
00:16:07think for way worse has blown through all of those not just uh norms but the the the constitution so
00:16:14you're saying if you stick to the rules you don't actually have that much power well if you stick to
00:16:18the rules there is the the the the central piece of the constitution is the separation of powers and
00:16:25they all stick to the rules that's what's awesome about presidents every none of them none of them
00:16:30necessarily have stuck to the rules and for instance teddy roosevelt who's one of my heroes as a president
00:16:36despite all of his failings as it relates to his uh views on race and other things that were i take a
00:16:42product of his time in you know in the late 1800s early 1900s he didn't but you know what he did he
00:16:50created he used the power which i don't think that he was necessarily granted by the constitution to
00:16:56create the national parks he used that power to build the panama canal he used that power uh to break the
00:17:02trust and and to completely um in my opinion saved this country from being swallowed up by an oligarchy in
00:17:11the in the late 1800s early 1900s led by john d recapella and so he used that power to advance the
00:17:19interest of normal people and common people um in the and he called it the um the square deal the square deal
00:17:27and his cousin then uh used it to implement uh the the new deal and and many people would argue and
00:17:37they certainly did then is that he went way beyond his constitutional authority abraham lincoln went
00:17:43beyond his constitutional authority in many instances as related to the way in which he inscripted people
00:17:48or didn't inscript people into the into the civil war and the way in which he enforced the emancipation
00:17:54proclamation real question of whether or not there was um that that that was constitutionally available
00:17:59to him in the way that he did it i'm not saying the presidents have not uh gone outside of the
00:18:06constitutional authority particularly i mean i don't know have you ever read the devil's chessboard
00:18:11i can't read okay well have you listened to the devil's chessboard no not yet audio listen to it
00:18:17because actually how i did it while i while i paint i always listen to books and it is a story of the
00:18:23dulles brothers beginning before world war one and their rise to power one became secretary of state one
00:18:30became the uh the uh the founder of the cia um he's not the founder of the cia but the the guy and
00:18:42one has dulles airport named after him and the other is probably you know the most important person as
00:18:48relates to our covert um agencies of anyone in the country and he was almost a full-blown nazi
00:18:55i mean literally i mean he did more to rescue nazis after world war ii uh the really bad ones um to
00:19:02come into the united states to and go other places and what do you do that for to get like their secrets
00:19:07money oh really well but there's and this is what i've always i what i what i think i think that there
00:19:13are two things in this country one of them is our original sin as as relates to slavery and the fact
00:19:21that we have never fully um uh and i'm not talking that we reparations or anything i'm i'm saying but
00:19:27it it's a fact is that the systemic rot in the united states of america goes back to slavery and it goes
00:19:35back into the way in which the hypocrisy of the founding fathers as it relates to their principles
00:19:41of freedom and liberty not necessarily applying to everybody but the constitution was built to evolve
00:19:48and to um uh that you were you know and that's why we have what 26 amendments to the constitution or
00:19:55whatever and and but after lincoln we had an opportunity in reconstruction and lincoln had a
00:20:04plan and he you know like 40 acres and a mule like that and the whole idea and there was a uh uh there
00:20:12was a real renaissance directly after the civil war they went like for instance in south carolina
00:20:17directly after the civil war the entire state legislature was was black they elected you had a
00:20:25until a um so there's one town and i forget the name of the town and the town basically rose up and and
00:20:33and uh the white people in the town rose up they murdered every black person that was in a position
00:20:39of authority in the south and the federal government did nothing about it because after lincoln was killed
00:20:45andrew johnson comes forward and he takes away all of those things he and we basically end up with
00:20:52jim crow south all the way up until 1968 right in which the active participation of 10 to 12 of our
00:20:59population was you know was not just segregation i mean it was a form of apartheid and and to say that
00:21:07like oh just get over that we have not structurally gotten over it there has been a con in my opinion
00:21:12a permanent confederacy class in the united states of america and it's a it's a mix of christofascism
00:21:20and uh and uh and in an oligarchy that recognizes the power of of of feeding people
00:21:27a narrative in which if you are uh if if you're white and you're um and you're poor don't look
00:21:36up look look down to find your problems yeah and and and i and and i and i and whether or not that is
00:21:44that the the full reason matt i i i see your skepticism around it and i'm not saying that there is
00:21:50any uh um that that that is everything but i am saying this is that we have never truly gotten to
00:22:00the systemic root of uh so many of the things that continue to plague us and it's the same arguments
00:22:07over and over again i can't believe in 2026 we're still having the same arguments that you know we
00:22:13had you know when i was like we shouldn't blow up kids perfect yeah that's a good one for real
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00:23:39around the laptop release i'm still just so fascinated how what it feels like to be a human just like a
00:23:45normal person with that level of global scrutiny because it must be the most i can't think of a more
00:23:51deranging situation to go through you're what 18 months into sobriety yeah two months what two years
00:23:57in sobriety you got a new new family new kid this thing happens you're in palm springs yeah it's
00:24:03hell i don't understand how i don't understand what that feels like what it's like to go through that
00:24:09um it was uh it was paralyzing in the moment you know uh only the only thing i i think that i could uh
00:24:19how to explain it or articulate it that you would feel it is like remember when like you were a kid
00:24:24and you knew you did like something like really bad yeah and you had this like like feeling in your
00:24:31chest and you don't know what to do and you're like you just don't want to leave your room and you
00:24:35you know like whatever it is is that that's what it felt like and i and and i didn't know
00:24:43what was going to happen next you know there was no path it wasn't like uh i'm gonna accuse you of
00:24:51uh bribery in ukraine because this i can deal with that because i know it's not true and i can show
00:24:55you the paperwork and i can show you what i did and i can show you this that and the other thing
00:24:59in this instance it was like we got naked pictures of you smoking crack with prostitutes in a motel
00:25:08and we're gonna dump them all online now thank god not by any design is that right when i got sober
00:25:20i i um did an interview with a guy named adam entos who was writing for the new yorker at the time
00:25:26in which i don't know where it came from but it was a miracle is that i just decided to tell him
00:25:32everything on the record about all about my addiction and and everybody thinks that that was
00:25:38like some kind of like pr you know like a genius kind of like thing and it truly wasn't it was literally
00:25:44like adam entos i knew to be a really great writer fair journalist and i just thought you know what
00:25:54like there ain't any hiding this other people thought that you were it was a gambit to front
00:25:58run future headlines that were going to come out so that you could say oh i've already got out ahead
00:26:02of it yeah well the first person adam told me the first person that called him was uh steve bannon
00:26:06and said you you scooped us and and uh and i didn't know that until after the laptop that came out
00:26:13because they had the laptop was there ever a moment when you thought that partying stuff could bring
00:26:18down your dad's presence yeah yeah yeah then and the uh i mean so it goes up on on all social media feeds
00:26:28and for like a 72-hour period of time uh it's it's up but then they take it down which makes it so much
00:26:34worse that they take it down yeah okay i mean it's the barbara streisand effect it's like triple
00:26:39conspiracy yeah and the reason that they took it down is one reason is because it violated their um
00:26:45uh their turn their their terms of service is because what they were putting up is nude pictures
00:26:50of me without my consent which is called revenge porn which is now uh a federal criminal statute that
00:26:57melania got passed 100 may i ask you a per it's yeah it's a personal question something i think
00:27:02people are curious about yeah why did you take all those pictures like you know yeah in in
00:27:09i understand you were like smoking what yeah you look great but like what but what
00:27:18no when i'm like okay on a bender yeah the last thing i want is like snapping go look at here's the
00:27:24thing is the truth go look at the pictures is that what most of the pictures that you see i didn't take
00:27:32who took them i'm asleep like one of them like one of those always that's shown all the time over and
00:27:37over again is me with the meth pipe in my mouth sleeping who do who sleeps with that that's i was
00:27:41curious about that too how do you i always thought when you smoke meth yeah you can't fall asleep i
00:27:46i didn't i wasn't a meth smoker i hate math but how did the pipe you're trying to be cool with that's
00:27:54no it is not cool to have a meth pipe in your mouth it's much cooler how did you fall asleep did they
00:28:00put it in your mouth how do you fall asleep with them they put it in your mouth somebody so i was
00:28:04asleep somebody took their meth pipe put it next to me and took a picture and then put it online
00:28:10and they then collected all of this stuff go back and look at the pictures now there's some
00:28:14that are like me there's some the sex tapes are real i took them it was me yeah for sure and that's
00:28:22confidence why why would they take these but by the way here's the reason it's out of my
00:28:26mind right it's just out of my mind you're so alone there's nothing even remotely romantic
00:28:36about it i don't talk about how i make crack to romanticize it i don't i just all that i talk about
00:28:43is addiction and and the whole reason to do any of this there's 50 million people right now in america
00:28:49and i think it's way more 50 million people are dealing with their own problems in their struggles
00:28:54in uh with addiction which means that everybody at this table undoubtedly has someone that they care
00:29:02deeply about that has dealt with or is dealing with a life-threatening uh addiction everybody
00:29:09so we all talk about it like like what the hell happened well i don't know you know what i mean
00:29:15drink a gallon of vodka and smoke um you know about you know three grams of crack you know on a and any
00:29:2124 hour period of time is that you know and so also what happens is you don't there's no one
00:29:31normal to associate with once you're in that right and so what you're around are people that are very
00:29:40very predatory who were you associated with mainly strippers and and and everything that comes around
00:29:46that and and i'm not denigrating anybody that is an exotic dancer in any way thank you but that is
00:29:52where yeah it's party and play but by the way but that is where you find access to drugs that's where you
00:30:01find access to company never ending policy yeah and and and and that is where you have there's no confusion
00:30:09right about what your relationship is and and and so you end up in this world of this culture in which
00:30:20everything is a um uh is what you what what you can get from the other person and oftentimes it was you
00:30:30know i mean like i'm positive like i know reporters have said that you know people were selling them
00:30:35photographs in into this you know into this thing and so anyway regardless i the other side of it was
00:30:44the other thing is that you know the um you know yeah there's some sex tapes in there that then they're
00:30:51all mine did you know i'm so sorry and i don't want to seem like a weirdo i'm just curious i've always
00:30:56been curious how people film themselves humping did you go back and watch yourself humping
00:31:03study the tape you never went it's like when you film fireworks nobody goes back and looks at the
00:31:07fireworks no no yeah okay but by the way here's the thing man is that you know what is it would
00:31:14i do that sober no but here and the other part of it is so but am i the first person to you know
00:31:21a freaky tape film themselves making a sex tape nothing wrong with that not even like i don't know
00:31:26like why tommy lee and and when what's your name doing why did why did you know i mean like what
00:31:31whatever and i certainly if not tommy lee but my point is is that when you're addicted to crack
00:31:41i and it is never look look my drug use can never be um uh an excuse oh okay never an excuse for any
00:31:51of the behavior i'm accountable for all of it yeah no matter what it's still me whether i was out of
00:31:56my mind or not got it but it is an explanation sure yeah i love it by the way and by the way it's not
00:32:03it's not an explanation that i know that you're not um that we all aren't like hopefully willing to um
00:32:12have the grace to um to extend to the people that we love yeah in order not to forever shame them or
00:32:19tell them that they have to wear the scarlet a of addiction for the rest of their life because otherwise
00:32:27nobody i i am and by the way i am i the the beautiful so to end of your to get to the very end
00:32:36of what your question is how did i react to the laptop coming out at first it was paralyzing it was
00:32:43awful and then leading into two weeks before the election and i'm thinking oh my god you know in an
00:32:48election which we all know that there's going to be you know on the margins regardless of whether
00:32:52we won by you know eight million votes or whatever the hell it is it always comes down to you know
00:32:57hundreds of thousands of votes in these states and and it was like not only am i going to going to
00:33:07this up for my dad the person who i adore most in the world but i'm gonna it up for the
00:33:14whole world like this is like if you were on the other side of this election you were voting thinking
00:33:19like this is like existential fuck and so i just didn't like and the first thing your brain tells
00:33:26you no matter how far out you are it can be less in terms of the intensity is i know how you shouldn't
00:33:32feel how you can get out of feeling this way but you better do it because if you don't do it i mean
00:33:37your brain literally telling you this the thing that you do you to relapse at that time
00:33:43i don't know you know i i mean i don't know because i choose not to like uh to to go back there i don't
00:33:51know have you ever listened to chase hughes yes he's been on the show he's amazing he just did a video
00:33:57uh i mean he just did he dropped this uh thing a day ago um two days ago about memory and how there is no
00:34:07such thing as memory every time we go back and think of it it there is no original recording we tape
00:34:13over every time and whatever the last recording is is becomes the memory until you think it's like
00:34:19you're rewriting it as opposed to rewriting it yeah so i don't know how close i was i choose
00:34:25to say today my memory of it is this is the morning after
00:34:31it came out and it was on the front page of the new york post and there's a naked picture of me
00:34:36like you know with all that stuff okay and then filled with naked pictures behind it and it's
00:34:41everywhere and i'm not on social media at this time so i don't i don't know about that part of it
00:34:45but it's everywhere i uh i couldn't sleep all night and i uh but like six in the morning my
00:34:57six month old is up and we and i had to do our routine you know and i rolled over in bed and i
00:35:06looked at this woman who had saved my life beautiful woman in every way that had saved my life and this
00:35:13perfect little angel i was like
00:35:19like you got a choice yeah i mean and and what a gift that is you know to most everything in life
00:35:29from my experiences is like yeah you could do this or you could do that yeah like yeah like to me it
00:35:36became you either do this and live or you die because can you imagine if i relapse in
00:35:46i mean i would be so dead the level of shame that i would have had there's no there would
00:35:49have been no way to hide it there would have been no i would literally it would have been i the faster
00:35:54way would have been to take a gun to my head that would have and and but i but i was
00:36:02wholly cognizant of at the time and what a gift that is because you know what most people have to go
00:36:11through it and you know fight their way to like you know go spend seven years in rishi cash and and
00:36:18you did the navy seal hell week equivalent yeah exactly what'd you do for me what i do i just chose
00:36:23to live man oh oh the when i you're kicked you go to rehab in june of 2019 yeah no i'd gone to so
00:36:29many rehabs melissa she's like it ends now and like within a week of her saying that you know i was off
00:36:35crack and then within like three weeks of that i had my last drink and it was hard the the alcohol is
00:36:41the is the most frightening part of um of re of uh of detox because you can actually die from uh from
00:36:51withdrawing from alcohol and like with benzos the same thing which is like freeze-dried alcohol
00:36:55basically because it it impacts every organ in your body alcohol does every pleasure center of your brain
00:37:03the crack is cocaine is um you know three days and it's out of your system and you know you there's
00:37:09no physiological impact maybe a little bit of grayness in the way that you like everything appears to
00:37:15you but um but the alcohol is the hardest part you seem incredibly shocked for somebody that's had
00:37:22pretty protracted addiction for a long time you know why is that i i benefit from the advantage of the
00:37:30lowest expectations of probably any guest you've ever had because he's upright and cognizant exactly like
00:37:36oh my god no i disagree you're you're a sharp guy yeah i would have assumed well by the way totally
00:37:42pickled yeah i don't exactly maybe maybe it preserved the the parts are we like yeah like putting in
00:37:48formaldehyde yeah exactly but i don't know i i am you know but here's the thing about that is like
00:37:55you know it's the smartest people i know are recovering addicts you know um and um
00:38:03yeah i was going to say there's a couple did you ever uh do you ever think that your dad might not
00:38:09give you the pardon oh yeah if he if he had won he wouldn't pardon me damn he 100 that's yeah you'd
00:38:16have been grounded yeah i mean by the way yeah i mean that's high stakes but he did such a good job i
00:38:26mean i think you know you were talking earlier we all have we all know people yeah who have just like
00:38:32when someone is an active addiction it is it's like it's like having a honey badger but it's in your
00:38:38family just eating everything up and i remember your dad was so loving to you like it was he was so sweet
00:38:46with you and that's really hard to do because when someone's like you know addicts ruin not just their
00:38:53own life they ruin like communities they ruin and they do it again and again every it's like a nuclear
00:38:59bomb it's a nuclear bomb and you don't know what to do it's like a demon has possessed somebody did you
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00:39:57modern wisdom a checkout what are the coolest things about your dad that nobody knows or that you wish
00:40:04more people knew hmm that's a tough one because uh you know people know so much or at least they think
00:40:13that they know so much i think the thing about my dad that is uh that i wish more people knew is how
00:40:23genuine he truly is about how much he loves people you know i i give you an example is that i think my dad
00:40:32since he's been in public life and the number has has just only grown over the course of time but
00:40:39probably has um you know a dozen or you know more people um kids that um uh that he's met at rope
00:40:50lines or people have written a letter that stutter they call my dad and spend a half an hour on the
00:40:55phone with him you know once a month you know doing that voice coaching yeah just letting them know that
00:41:02you know don't be defined by this you you know this i mean as he says he tells every one of them is that
00:41:08you know stuttering it it's it's because you're so smart and you know i mean i like you listen to him
00:41:15and he doesn't know i mean nobody knows that um uh and he doesn't it's not like he advertises
00:41:19that but i've gotten so many now that i'm on social medium who wishes you know i don't know how long
00:41:25that's gonna last but the uh um yeah something else to drop no no i mean just like yeah like god it
00:41:33looks like you're having a good time on that yeah yeah parts of it i am i am what but um can i ask
00:41:37you just uh so when you were someone no not you when your dad was running and everyone was going and
00:41:42i'm not trying to be a dick when it was like seemed visibly like obvious that he was getting a little
00:41:48too old i think to like actually be the president like there were signs unless it was just a tv there
00:41:53were signs of cognitive decline i felt bad i was like why are they doing this to this guy
00:41:59why like that that seems like insane that we would like anyone who's in their mid-80s be like yeah get
00:42:04out there and just have like the most important discussion ever yeah well look i think that there
00:42:09are uh i think part of that's fair and part of that is is uh your algorithm now here's what i mean by
00:42:17that my dad got old he got old before everybody's eyes he literally lost his debt he started
00:42:23to um uh get his gait shortened which was very much noticeable he never had an a uh a incident like
00:42:34the debate before or after i mean it truly and it's not like i'm saying that and you don't have uh uh
00:42:45thousands of hours of tape on either side of that debate of my dad in front of a camera and what you're
00:42:53talking about i think is kind of like the fox news you know like getting joe biden like this you know
00:42:59what i mean no it wasn't it wasn't that it wasn't tripping at that tripping at the thing but regardless
00:43:04okay but to answer your question yeah does he got older yeah yeah and do do i am i 100 certain that
00:43:12he was capable of continuing to make the decisions and do the job of actually uh what the president is
00:43:19supposed to do yes did he have the ability to communicate that to the american people to the
00:43:25degree that he needed to win an election maybe maybe not and um but we'll never know i i agree
00:43:30with you about how i felt you know watching that debate it it really felt and to some degree as
00:43:35well with trump like the guy is old these people these are old men and what you're doing is you're
00:43:40watching guys that should be granddad i'm not saying that you need to retire whatever like i'm sure
00:43:46people are competent until old age you're watching people that should be twilight of life enjoying the
00:43:52time with what they've built like punch drunk boxes being rolled out for one more fight that i'm like
00:43:59you're trading and it's noble and heroic in some ways you're trading your health your uh time which is
00:44:07increasingly limited on this planet for like the nation you're just trying to hold this thing or
00:44:12maybe it's not the nation maybe it's a party maybe it's a duty for the higher good it's part of the
00:44:16mission but you're like watching this person basically go okay i'm gonna take this bit of
00:44:21me which is increasingly precious and short-lived and i'm gonna exchange it in order to serve this
00:44:27fucking engine right this massive machine and i think anyone that's got a soul looked and was like holy
00:44:34fuck that's gonna be that's gonna be so hard you've got these two things you want to do plus your like
00:44:39ego still exists can i add to that like and again i think what is rotten i don't mean rotten but what
00:44:46must be very hard about your incarnation is that you people dissect your family and you and it's and
00:44:52i'm so sorry because it sounds insensitive but when i saw your dad i just thought you know i don't think
00:44:58i'd want to take a road trip with him driving and if i don't feel comfortable with somebody driving a
00:45:05car with me i don't want them to have access to a nuclear arsenal man or in all the quick decisions
00:45:11you have to make can i ask i get your point okay and i get everybody's point all right yeah we're not
00:45:16slamming your dad no no no and it wasn't like oh fuck man it wasn't here's the thing this is sad as it
00:45:22relates to uh decisions that my dad made they weren't mine but i i'm willing to talk about them as it
00:45:28relates to his age it was it's it's all public so i don't i don't take it as a criticism it is a
00:45:35conversation that by the way we're all gonna have as you have a aging america in which people are capable
00:45:46of continuing to do the thing that they are professional at with the wisdom and the experience
00:45:52that they have in which their physical appearance and their physical capacity to do things slows down
00:46:01okay yeah and so but here's the other side of it is the job of being president is not purely about
00:46:10competence experience and wisdom it is also about the capacity for you to communicate that to people
00:46:18so what he did not communicate to people was that he could drive the car right and that's a fair
00:46:25criticism absolutely 100 is fair now should he have stepped aside for who and what because remember
00:46:33what you're coming off of you're coming off of january 6 you're coming off the pandemic you're coming
00:46:39off of the incredible dislocation and disruption of an economy in which everything went offline for a
00:46:45period of time and which created the largest uh uh unemployment in this history and and and a
00:46:51potential of a recession and you're also coming across this incredible success of two years in
00:46:57which all of that competence and wisdom remember when he became president they said he'll never get a
00:47:01bill passed the congress is too close he only had uh one uh seat in the senate and he had four seats in
00:47:08the house there's no way that'll ever get anything done he passed more legislation in a two-year period
00:47:13of time than any president since lyndon johnson who had super majorities in both the house and the senate
00:47:19anybody he had the best midterms of any sitting president since uh fdr in 1932 he won more state
00:47:27houses and governor governorships the smallest number of congressional seats lost of any president since 1932. so he's
00:47:36rolling off of these successes okay and opens up to a primary and who runs there's no bigger name than bobby uh
00:47:44bobby kennedy there's nobody this whole idea that there's a democratic but it's like since the beginning
00:47:49of time of time of course there's a democratic establishment in in whatever and so he makes
00:47:57what ends up depending upon your perspective the fateful decision to um you know to stand for re-election
00:48:05and then comes the debate and i can't explain it i truly can't everybody can have their conspiracy
00:48:10theories everybody can think that oh that's how he is but i can all i can say is not a single person that
00:48:16worked with him on the record has gone and said joe biden wasn't cognitively capable to be president
00:48:21of the united states you can definitely make the argument of whether he was cognitively capable of
00:48:26or communicatively capable of of uh making the case to the american people but here's where we
00:48:34you know stand and the one last thing about this is that when it came time to make the decision okay
00:48:40okay after you know the the what i call the the insider the true insider the the um the elite class of the
00:48:51democratic establishment because the dnc is not that there's no it's like the money people it's the
00:48:57people that fund the party right okay when they made the determination that they wanted joe biden out
00:49:03and basically said we are going to fight you all the way to the convention because they couldn't take it
00:49:08away from him legally i mean he was the nominee yeah um you know period and um and he got covet
00:49:16there's that horrible picture of him getting back on the plane in in um because he passed all the
00:49:20hurdles he did the stephanopoulos interview for an hour and 10 minutes he did the nato summit um
00:49:26press conference for an hour and 30 minutes and answered every question you know a tour de forest global
00:49:31lake history lesson for everybody and then he did the naacp um uh convention speech and and all of that
00:49:38stuff and he went to do the next morning he gets coveted and it wipes him out
00:49:45and he has to make a decision that i don't know of any other president or any other person in that
00:49:53position has ever made before to voluntarily without being forced to without having any legal authority
00:50:02of saying i'm going to step aside and i think that's really courageous i don't think history is
00:50:08treating that uh i think history will treat that well but also i think my dad hung the moon so you know
00:50:14what i mean it's not like i'm i'm unbiased in any way what was that stat about your dad being the
00:50:19poorest president since 1900 yeah um my dad entered the presidency and left the presidency with fewer
00:50:26assets than anybody since i think uh what was her or who came out of tact maybe no but regardless is that
00:50:34when 1972 when my dad got elected he was 29 years old he was too young to serve um when he was elected
00:50:41um by virtue of the constitution and he turned 30 and when he uh in between the time he was he won and
00:50:48when he was sworn in and he made and that he made a promise during that campaign that he would never
00:50:54own a stock or a bond for the single purpose of reason that spiro agnew had just gone through uh
00:51:00that you know had gotten impeached and removed before nixon ever got impeached and um and he kept
00:51:09that so he lived off his salary which by the way wasn't a bad salary but just remember 1972 it was
00:51:14like 48 000 a year and then it went up to 68 000 and then when i was in you know school it was like
00:51:20150 000 and i don't know what from nancy pelosi yeah but yeah but my point is this my dad entered
00:51:27the vice presidency that way the only time my dad ever made money you know the biden crime family like
00:51:33bullshit my dad wrote a book and what did he do with the money that he wrote a book out when he
00:51:39left the vice presidency he didn't go out and make speeches for private equity firms and fly to saudi
00:51:43arabia and you know sit on the board of uh you know xyz hedge fund or whatever he wrote a book and
00:51:50he bought my mama a beach house in rehoboth you know awesome yeah and then he went into the presidency
00:51:58with the savings from that money and his pension and he left the presidency and the only thing my
00:52:03dad has done to make money is he wrote a book and you know i don't know about you but that's what i want
00:52:11my president to be like you know i don't need them to go out and start a foundation with saudi and you
00:52:18know uh uae money or um you know do a um a dodgy crypto deal and blah blah blah particularly while
00:52:25they're still president but that's my dad phone what you forgot the phone what about the sneakers what
00:52:33about the things look by the way he takes all these cool things like i'm i'm a big crypto fan have you got
00:52:38one they suck what have you got one as a joke my wife ordered me the trump sneakers oh the trump
00:52:43sneaker there's not good they're just not they're not good or did you the trump sneakers my dearest
00:52:49friend i don't please cut that out please you don't understand i love it you challenged don jr and eric
00:52:57to a two-on-one cage fight what's happening with that are you guys in my corner i'm going are you
00:53:02really finding them no i mean i haven't heard back but i will tell you this i will tell you this is that
00:53:10i i said well number one it would be a great way to pay my dad you know what i mean i think it would
00:53:15be great on pay-per-view literally and if shane could fill uh franklin field or not franklin field
00:53:22uh the link you know i swear to god i think that i could at least get half the number of people there
00:53:28um uh there would be a lot of people i think yeah i think so too 2v1's just a chance to smack
00:53:34either one of them i'm 56 i'm so you guys really do it's a family have you been in contact can we
00:53:39prank call don jr right now have you got his number can we just ring him i don't have don jr's number
00:53:43i have no idea yeah no we call peter teal i don't please don't understand everywhere i am not in i don't
00:53:52know him never met him he's not paid by the path please please stop i have a question this is sort
00:54:01of up i've always been curious what is it i like i the president has some kind of apartment in the
00:54:08white house right where that where what is that like like what's it like uh you know it's oh the
00:54:13residence yeah every kid yeah kind of thinks like man i wish my dad was president that's gonna be cool
00:54:19you get to go into the residence you get to see it's cool it's so cool it's so cool it's so amazing
00:54:24the people that work there that are you have butlers and stuff yeah and and they're incredible
00:54:30and they're wonderful and they've been there for decades on some of them and and uh and there's like
00:54:36for me at least in the residence and in every time i went to the white house um uh there was never
00:54:45without like a complete sense of awe did your dad ever cook you a breakfast in there like did they
00:54:51no but my dad's never cooked presidential pancakes there was a kitchen in there my dad could cook an
00:54:56egg just to be okay yeah now i'm a great cook but he would know but there's a kitchen i just always
00:55:01wonder about that private life there's a little there's a little kitchenette off the residence the
00:55:05residence is on the um uh you know if you're looking at the front of the white house you enter into
00:55:12like the main hall yeah it has the public uh i mean the rooms in which like the the uh like the blue
00:55:20the red room the green room the you know where they have some of the state dinners and stuff like
00:55:24that to where you always see the pictures in the cross hall like you know that red carpet and the
00:55:29floor above it the two floors above it are the residence and there's the one end of it is all the
00:55:35president's you know like quarters and the first ladies and then there's the lincoln bedroom the
00:55:43queen's bedroom and then there's a there's like six or eight other bedrooms upstairs for guests and
00:55:48stuff like that secret doors yeah oh yeah there's secret doors are you serious yeah yeah yeah did you
00:55:53find them did you get shown do you get shown like hey this is how you when i see the doors that are
00:55:58secret that aren't secret anymore you know what i mean you see like well there's a line in that wall
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00:56:53drink l m n t dot com slash bottom wisdom did you ever you ever in the white house and think like
00:57:00it's not as cool as i thought no really you're always like this rules just rules well here's what
00:57:06you think i mean if you have any kind of like appreciation for where you are it's like holy
00:57:13shit like it's insane like not this actual floor because it's been done truman did it you know i
00:57:21mean it's not the same but it's like on this grounds you know the course of history has been um uh changed
00:57:30dozens and dozens and dozens of times and sometimes for good sometimes for real uh yeah ill and and uh
00:57:36it's got to be so haunted yeah i bet you is it haunted did you ever have any ghost encounters
00:57:41there am i i did not i'm sorry this is the exact direction i want to go in okay great yeah is it
00:57:46haunted is there like it's well i mean like yeah they say that um but i i didn't have to walk around
00:57:53there at night just like staring at shit oh yeah 100 i i'm i'm gonna now here's the thing is i didn't
00:58:00get to spend much time there and one of the reasons i didn't get to spend much time there is because
00:58:05every time i was there it became an incredible distraction so i'd show up and i'd go walk on the
00:58:09south lawn with my dad and the dog and they take a picture and it would be on the front page of the
00:58:14new york's post and they would say the indicted or the soon to be indicted or the drug addict son
00:58:19or the thing and so it became really really uncomfortable like that's gonna suck your dad has
00:58:24finally made it this is the opportunity for me to be the son that gets to have presidential pancakes
00:58:28yeah and because of the way that kind of we arrived i don't get to fully like embrace that
00:58:34that's gonna suck yeah you know but thank you well you're not that i'm not supposed to be there to
00:58:39have fun no no no i'm saying yeah you are by the way if you can't then it's crazy i mean but but
00:58:44thank you for saying that um but i can't say that because like oh woe is me you know what i mean like
00:58:54my dad's president my dad works for 50 years to become president i want
00:58:57fucking pancakes well by the way that for more than not only 20 days 20 25 days you said out of the
00:59:02entirety of the time you got to stay at the white yeah maybe like more well no probably more than
00:59:07that like i think like 30 or 40 and i got to go to camp david and i get to fly in marine one and you
00:59:13get to go on air force one and every time you do you think oh my god this is the coolest thing and i
00:59:17think if you don't you're a jackass i mean if you lose that like if you lose like walking in um uh like
00:59:25walking down the colonnade to the oval office without the feeling of like holy
00:59:31shit then i think that you are you that's pretty funny yeah that's awesome yeah that uh but i
00:59:37didn't get to spend as much time with him as as i normally would have if it weren't for the fact
00:59:46that i was a crack addict pictures of it and i was um being investigated by the department of
00:59:53justice for um you know this that and the other thing that bag of coke at the white house wasn't
00:59:57yours no okay how how how upset are you that someone else found it okay i've looked i've literally i've
01:00:05listened to all of you i've listened to you have your guest on and you're all like i don't know i
01:00:11don't know it could have been his but i guess who's was who's do you think it was because it's
01:00:14i have no clue so it's someone who's the hit list pull up a diagram of the who's the biggest hit
01:00:19list of the of the white house okay let's say all right diagram of white house are you going to
01:00:23place the bag of cocaine how big was the sack how big were we talking i have no
01:00:27idea april i mean it didn't come to me and take honor we want to show you this
01:00:32well you could honor honor come here we're aware that you might be able to trace where this came
01:00:36from here we go okay so if you look at the okay so you see there see where it says white house in
01:00:41the middle yeah okay so the west wing is where the oval office is the white house is where the
01:00:48residence is i am under secret service protection during this period of time when i enter the white
01:00:54house i enter off of the south lawn which is the big ellipses you know what i mean like the the
01:00:59circular driveway on on the on the southern part okay so you enter the white house through the um uh
01:01:06what through the right right to the middle and right as you go through the middle you go to an
01:01:11elevator and you go up to the residence okay that is how the secret service brings me in and they and
01:01:18they're with me like as far as you are for me everywhere i go outside of making it to the
01:01:25elevator to that um uh to go up to the second floor but not the bathroom if you want to do key bumps you
01:01:31can go in the other than the bathroom yeah okay true enough but thank you for pointing that out that
01:01:37was very helpful mother i swear to god where was it found where so now now situation room was now yeah
01:01:43so see where it says west exec avenue yep okay so that's where everybody else that is a part of the
01:01:51administration comes in to the white house so the eisenhower executive office building is where 90
01:01:58of the people that say they work at the white house work okay and when they come over to for meetings
01:02:04with the chief of staff or the director of national intelligence or whoever else is in the west wing
01:02:10they come through there and when you go through there you enter in on the ground floor above you
01:02:17is the chief of staff's office and the oval office okay and on that ground floor as soon as you walk in
01:02:23there's a desk there's another secret service agent a uniform secret service agent and if you go on
01:02:29the other side of that desk and take a right there's a hallway and that end of that hallway is the
01:02:36situation room of which i've never been in because you're not allowed into the situation room unless
01:02:42you have top secret clearance hey dude the president the president's son doesn't get to hang in okay and
01:02:47in that right in front of that door is a set of cubbies okay and the only reason i know that is it
01:02:54because if you go to your left there's a little cafeteria like not even it's like table set up
01:02:59for like the chief of staff and their offices to come have like a bowl of soup or whatever to eat
01:03:06the in the in those cubbies is where they found it and supposedly found a little bag of cocaine
01:03:12number one i'm not joking around okay and i don't know how much of it is what you should be like i do fat
01:03:17sex only yeah by the way not only that is i smoke crack true here's i smoke crack i'll say this though
01:03:23but by the way i'm now at this point i'm not in the white house when it's found i haven't been in
01:03:28the white house for six weeks to a month when it's found all right although this this does sound like
01:03:35the part of the movie where we're like you know we have the diagram it sounds like we're planning on
01:03:38how we could do cocaine in the white house you know they go through like the ducks in the movie
01:03:46you know what that's why you went to sally's and i went to arch here okay exactly rivals forever yes
01:03:51exactly there's a duck on the south lawn you've opened it up there's coming literally this is never
01:03:56gonna die okay i don't by the way here's the other thing i don't think it was yours i didn't know but
01:04:01here's the other thing it's like are you kidding me like i will i'll openly talk about having sex
01:04:07on camera with a prostitute in new haven connecticut yeah and i fucking 95 smoking a crack but like i
01:04:16like uh looking at the bag of drugs it is so funny i mean it's so ridiculous it drives me insane
01:04:23now look that's like you want to talk about things that online that you can say you have your friendship
01:04:29with peter thiel to deal with come on i do not know peter thiel we're not friends you had her
01:04:36see that been like great yeah great this is the last thing you know what i literally this is how
01:04:43that obtuse i am i was like oh that's weird kind of went about my day i was i was what four or five
01:04:50years sober by this point i haven't like i'm like and by the way like i'm thinking like who like if i
01:04:55relapse no oh here's the other thing i'm gonna do i'm being drug tested but you know i'm being drug
01:04:59tested by the federal bureau of probation who's showing up at my house they watch you pee two or
01:05:05three times a week without not telling anybody they had to deal with the secret service they just walk
01:05:10into my they'll walk into your house like 6 a.m is it true they knock on your bedroom door and they
01:05:14they watch you right like oh yeah and then they walk you into the bathroom and close the door with them
01:05:19standing like this watching you watching your cock yeah you can't use the wizard you could use the
01:05:23wizard nader technically what's that was the wizard nader oh yeah yeah listen it was like a fake
01:05:29penis i wish i had the wizard when i went to the navy exactly yeah uh you need the wisdom is it true
01:05:37that you still pack your bag with a witness is it you still doing that you have to pack your bags
01:05:41yeah have you heard this yeah it's a what's called a wife they watch you they go that's all you're
01:05:45bringing yeah yeah it's true i swear to god i got in a melissa i got in a little discussion before i
01:05:56left her here she said you can fit it all in the backpack i said i like my little rolly bag to put
01:06:01my back back every time why are you taking it without fail but what are the whites pushing for more
01:06:05storage it doesn't matter they go either that's too much or that's no matter what you pack they're
01:06:09like that's right that's wrong by the way i just want to make clear melissa i did not use the
01:06:14voice that matt is doing oh yeah i get in trouble yeah i get in trouble i don't know what i use like
01:06:19a car you don't sound like that it's so mad it's so don't sound like that yeah that's an ongoing
01:06:26problem here's the thing is that um uh is the reason is in only when i travel internationally is the
01:06:33that if it's out of my sight i just think that look could you imagine if uh i got pulled over
01:06:41and they found drugs you know on me two would believe me yeah like if you can't believe me about
01:06:49that right yeah the nine thousand times that i've said are you out of your mind i wasn't there you can
01:06:55check on the fact that i wasn't there you can see that it wasn't it like it was in front of the i mean
01:06:59like all of these things too small yeah can you imagine you know yeah right like what what would
01:07:05you do and and and you know also here's the other thing do you put it past any of these guys
01:07:13for like that no way the plant it could have been dropped for sure but i did drop it down yeah so um you
01:07:19know i want like here like i the the thing that i am uh i want all the questions like there's nothing
01:07:29off limits i want to i want to be able to because the the thing that i think is the the only value that
01:07:37i have truly because you don't have to agree with my politics you don't have to agree with i think about
01:07:43donald trump you don't have to agree that well i hope everybody agrees that fucking the beavis and
01:07:49butthead are total douchebags don and eric but is that you don't have to agree with any of this
01:07:57it's so true okay what's their deal i don't know anything about them uh just jerks well they're rich
01:08:06jerks now like really really rich jerks but the um uh is it the one thing that i did i like just
01:08:17to be like a symbol like it i made it even like you can too like if i could stay clean and sober
01:08:28through all of that and um and get on the other side of an addiction that you can go look at how
01:08:35awful it was um is that it's like i just think like for that reason alone to be out here talking to
01:08:46people and to show that i can sit upright in the chair and i can write about it and i could talk about
01:08:53it without any um shame that doesn't mean i don't feel guilty about yeah it doesn't mean that i made
01:08:59horrible decisions and abstinent myself from my family and my children in particular
01:09:05it doesn't mean that i'm even remotely perfect in in my recovery you know and uh but you know there
01:09:15is another there is getting to the other side of stuff um and being transparent about it isn't a
01:09:22uh a weakness it's a it's a it's a strength you are everywhere at the moment are you would you
01:09:27ever consider running for office is there a thrust that this is working no i mean people i i'm i'm even
01:09:32honored you would you would ask that with a straight face because um i i really am um because think
01:09:39about that think about asking that question you know before may 21st of this year when i went on x for
01:09:47the first time um yeah and so i i really appreciate that if it was said with sincerity but you know
01:09:56i tell people if you if if i announce for something within the next few years then you will certainly
01:10:03know that i relapsed but i do think there's something universally respectable about someone
01:10:12who goes through i mean it's everyone can agree that's ever i would say everyone's worst nightmare
01:10:16and just can like face the public and talk usually i think most people would run away from that yeah
01:10:21just be like i'm out i'm just gonna yeah kind of hide away now so what are you working towards though
01:10:26because i mean you are making the rounds what's uh what do you have designs to do i don't know
01:10:31i'm sure i i i really am i i am i got some things that i mean i'm writing on sub stack and i and i uh
01:10:40i wrote um a continuation of the like met like the last seven years you know from my personal perspective
01:10:47and then i wrote another one thank you very much ai um uh too that uh that allowed me to um take all of
01:10:57the um collective congressional reports and and um and reporting journalism and kind of like what happened
01:11:06of the in those seven years of the things that i wasn't in the room for like the giuliani plot and
01:11:10that thing and so i wrote wrote that um but the one thing that i really really want to do is uh i think
01:11:22that one of the ways in which people uh at least for me i know this is how it helped me is the single
01:11:29the thing that helped me most in my recovery was sharing like hearing other people's stories
01:11:35is realizing that you you weren't alone in whatever you thought that depravity was that you were living
01:11:41in and and like the i remember the first time i sat in the room thinking there's no way that i'm
01:11:46going to be able to share this with another human being and like the guy next to me like tells a
01:11:51story and i'm like holy holy oh my god i mean it made me blush and i'm like hey you know like
01:11:59it becomes like it's going to be a very impressive story to out degenerate you me yes exactly yeah
01:12:05and there's always was it a global incident though did it move stock markets did it change an election
01:12:09yeah true you know who i thought like the reason i and this is why i love him is the openness with
01:12:15which stevevon talks about and stuff like that i was listening to your interview with stevevon and
01:12:20there's like one part where anyway it yeah i don't even want to go through it because yeah
01:12:26oh yeah i don't remember yeah but uh but they're they're um no idea what you're talking about what the
01:12:31hell yeah yeah yeah no it's i think it's better off to get as much out as possible because it's
01:12:37i don't know yeah it's good it's good i think it's good for you it's good for everybody the thing that
01:12:41kills you if you're an addict at least from my experience is you keeping that like secret
01:12:49and you've that shame and there's a big difference between shame and guilt you know shame is basically
01:12:54the thing that tells you that you're not worthy of love and you never will be
01:12:58guilt is like an appropriate emotion in which you do something wrong you got to go make amends for it
01:13:02if you live in that shame and you're never able to like like let it go because it's a secret you know
01:13:09uh i mean just crack just talking about being a crack addict automatically sends at least people that are
01:13:20you know relatively our age into a freaking tailspin yeah like their mind goes to why do you think that
01:13:28is oh i think it's number one i think it is uh it has to do with the connection to race that was
01:13:36created as it relates to the crack epidemic of the early 1990s it has to do with the reality of the
01:13:42way in which it impacted um certain uh communities particularly the african-american community do you
01:13:48buy the cia was flooding yeah communities with cocaine on purpose that that was real yeah remember
01:13:53when they found that cia plane full of coke what's the what's the story behind that because i've heard
01:13:57it but i don't actually know the story do you know it i don't know the story to the degree that i
01:14:02should but i look i mean if you want to understand like the cracking them it from a like a uh is watch
01:14:09the wire you know what i mean like what is that season you know is that not fiction what is that
01:14:14not fictional though it is fiction but if you really want to understand the way that i think the writer
01:14:18was a journalist though i could be wrong i think george pelicanos was one of the writers on that and
01:14:24then what's his name but the but yeah i mean it's all ripped from the pages kind of stuff yeah and
01:14:29my only point is is it really did destroy um entire communities um but it didn't have to do with what
01:14:37they thought it did they thought that it was particular to the physiological effect the crack
01:14:42had on people that's where the lie is it had to do with the um uh the financial uh aspect of the drug
01:14:53is that you could sell and make very cheaply and over and over and over again in small quantities
01:15:03and you just create this um uh this market that was insatiable to feed and so it was the violence was
01:15:13occurring because of the unfettered drug trade there was so much money in it um and if you lived for
01:15:22instance like i did in the in the in the late 80s early 90s in washington dc it was i mean it just
01:15:30ripped through washington you had you know uh and and what ripped through washington was the violence
01:15:36that came along with the trade and they enforce in the in the attempt to enforce the drug laws and so
01:15:43they would crack down on communities um and uh and users rather than uh the people truly committing the
01:15:51violence was for the dealers and and you know up the chain and up the chain i'm certain involved uh you
01:15:58know some covert operation that's related to it and that didn't have anything to do with the intent of
01:16:04like ripping apart our cities but had some other intent what you know what do you think what do you think
01:16:10just to get just a way to get untraceable money or something like that like that cia was selling i i i'm
01:16:19honestly i'm not up to date on that conspiracy but remember they found a cia plane full of blow
01:16:24which was insane like they're trading it to get cash so just like the just like the iran contract
01:16:30you know what i mean is like the the i mean it's all about um ways to move money and to move um uh
01:16:37uh weapons um in an untraceable way in order to be able to do that you like end up going into business
01:16:43with you know the really bad guys yeah you know or looking the other way when you know they're doing
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01:17:47link in the description below heading to drink ag1.com modern wisdom what's a conspiracy theory that
01:17:55you think is real but don't talk about publicly like for instance i'm pretty sure that which is a real
01:18:01is that a conspiracy they're definitely real yeah that's not a conspiracy well i mean good company
01:18:06obviously but i'm pretty sure this is fat single 45 year old ladies
01:18:13i mean it's real man that wasn't what i meant that wasn't what i meant jd vance talked about
01:18:20the cat lady the dull thing remember right right i'm meaning like supernatural spiritual put x's on
01:18:27you oh i mean like actual witches dude are there some here right now i think everyone's got a couple
01:18:36of conspiracies that they kind of hold in their mind yeah like i kind of believe okay i've got one
01:18:41and if i could and again apology in advance if it has to do with the coke in the white
01:18:48done here's a conspiracy here's a conspiracy theory that you must be aware of that floats around about
01:18:52you yeah and again forgive me for this but i must know on your back oh yeah you have a tattoo of the
01:18:59finger legs yeah and people say yeah that this is tattooed on your back yeah because the finger lakes
01:19:06are apparently one of the number one ways that like humans are trafficked and that you have placed
01:19:12you didn't know this oh my god oh man you don't go online great you don't go pull up hunter biden
01:19:19finger is that why everybody's asking me what are the what's the tattoo yes what's a finger like you
01:19:25have a map a human trafficking mask i do so the finger lakes are these glacier lakes and the most
01:19:30beautiful lakes in the country and they are um in upstate new york my mother my deceased mother
01:19:38came from skinny atlas new york and then the lake next to it is a wasco lake and a wasco at the top of
01:19:45a wasco lake is a town named auburn where the hunter diner is and my grandfather and uh and my grandmother
01:19:53owned and ran the hunter diner which is still there it's just like a silver diner and um and uh that's
01:19:59where my mother grew up and that's where my brother and i spent every summer with my my mom
01:20:06to see my deceased mother's um grandparents and so it's like the most special place in the world to me
01:20:12right what you're saying and i was not what i'm saying what the internet is saying what the internet
01:20:16you've read what i've read okay i don't understand where you traffic because they're all landlocked
01:20:20where do you traffic look up finger lakes by canoe it's such a beautiful place oh my god i'm serious
01:20:31i didn't know this i don't want to know this it's also so funny to be doing that and be like i'm going to
01:20:35tat it just in case people need to know why tattooing a map on your back it's like the count of money
01:20:41crystal or something like just in case if you're ever going to do something yeah they can rip it off
01:20:46my body it's like if you get lost it's like please return to like like a dog collar yeah just in case
01:20:54you get lost somewhere that's a sweet story yeah that's it yeah well and so my um i didn't believe
01:21:00that by the way i just it's a conspiracy theory i didn't have heard that one that's yeah yeah you
01:21:05must you must believe the story again conspiracy theories i'll be honest i i when i was younger
01:21:13i remember when uh what was the one documentary that came out it was the ring of power came out
01:21:17when i was like 21 and you know you're 21 years old you just got out of college and there were like
01:21:21dvds that would go around and be like uh england washington dc and rome are all connected in this
01:21:26tri-axial of satanic power and you just watch it at 21 you're like damn the world's crazy and then
01:21:31you get older and you're like yeah i don't think anyone knows what the fuck's going on about
01:21:34anything so in terms of conspiracy theories i honestly don't really you i don't know anything
01:21:38do you believe remote viewing that's i mean okay i'll give you one oh here we go i'll give you one
01:21:43that i believe read the devil's chessboard which is an incredible book about the dulles brothers
01:21:51and it's hard not to come away with a um with the belief that it was not a cia operation but that cia
01:22:02assets were involved in the assassination of jfk it's really really difficult to to to not um
01:22:16to explain what's the most compelling uh elements of that the individuals and i forget their names um i
01:22:24wish i like had that kind of memory but that uh that were were very very um close to alan dulles
01:22:34dulles's hatred of um of jfk and um and the the i mean anyway there's there's there's a lot and i
01:22:47because i don't i i don't want to say something that i get it i get it wrong and they'll be like
01:22:52honor biden's promoting it you know he's like oliver stone or whatever you're saying the cia killed
01:22:57no i'm not or they're saying the operatives within the cia i'm saying that it's very difficult to see
01:23:02how there is not a um that there that there wasn't knowledge within the cia of uh an operation to
01:23:11assassinate so you're saying you know that the cia killed you're saying you know that cia killed jfk
01:23:16keep going with the peter tila yeah that one's that one's almost commonplace i got that for the rest of
01:23:23life i do have a substance i have a i have a a x account twitter account wow i just came from
01:23:30modern wisdom and this is what i learned aliens aliens in area 51 that's yeah what about the aliens no i
01:23:36don't i'm i'm with elon on that one i don't i don't i don't i don't think that they're uh like
01:23:45i think if there were aliens that uh i i believe that there there must be i mean the the size and
01:23:53the scope of the universe is beyond anyone's even remote comprehension and uh but i don't i don't think
01:24:01any of them uh well what about all those uaps they're showing all these what do you think is going
01:24:06on with this like you know i the so here's a i don't know if this is even a conspiracy like trump's
01:24:11in the epstein files what 6 000 plus times that's not a conspiracy that's not that's real and then
01:24:16right after that he releases the uap file people are saying that's was a some sad attempt at a
01:24:23distraction but regardless they keep releasing all of this formally classified information regarding
01:24:30whatever this phenomena is and yeah that's real i mean that is happening i 100 agree with that
01:24:36that that that that is all a distraction um from what we're what we know to be a a fact which is that
01:24:44donald trump name is in the epstein files as much or more than any other person's name other than
01:24:51jeffrey epstein okay and here's the the the uh here's one that i believe i think that q anon
01:25:00was a psyop to distract us from epstein i think that the that andrew callahan you guys listen to
01:25:09andrew callahan yeah he's brilliant andrew is literally one of the most brilliant journalists
01:25:14that i've ever come across just as a as a person and did really brilliant and his theory is is that if
01:25:21you look at q anon and what they were saying you know pizzagate and that there's a you know a cabal of
01:25:28you know democrats and things like that it was to distract you from the actual very very real story
01:25:35of jeffrey jeffrey jeffrey epstein and um and what every not everybody people in in the major
01:25:44intelligence communities knew was going on or were participating i was going to say because q anon
01:25:48was way way way before the epstein files right yeah yeah did they ever figure out who that was like at
01:25:55all oh no q no because some weren't some of the pictures or some of them actually of like close-ups
01:26:00of politicians or is it just all oh yeah yeah yeah i wanted to believe so but now remember well think
01:26:09about that son of former president right you've been in trouble for smoking crack gun charges how
01:26:14does it feel to not be in the epstein files feel good does that like give you a kind of moral high
01:26:18ground over the rest of the elite you know what even feels better is it okay 22 years of my digital
01:26:24footprint okay every single text message every single email every single photograph every single
01:26:30voicemail that was erased or deleted that they were able to pull up there's not one instance that you
01:26:35will find in which you will see an email from me to anyone else saying hey dad or hey so is who who
01:26:43works for dad i need you to do this for me on behalf of a client i'm getting paid for it did i mention
01:26:47one single time did i mention i'm friends with peter teal you see
01:26:54when it suits him so we have that information uh that is that's a fair point what is the whole what's
01:27:02your take on everyone's fascination with the charisma stuff okay well here's a good one is
01:27:08that monster.com ukraine no yeah exactly ukraine is a is a is a viper's den and it was stupid of me to go
01:27:17on to the board but when i went on to the board you got to remember it was the there was a year and a
01:27:23half left in the obama administration my brother had just been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer
01:27:29he was given two years to live and i get a um devon archer this uh the guy that i had considered a
01:27:35great friend who said like he's got a pardon from trump and is out like bashing me like every chance that
01:27:41he gets comes to me he says hey there's this um a ukrainian gas company they need help because they're
01:27:48they're they're the reason that putin is invading the uh uh uh thon pass in the eastern part of ukraine
01:27:58and because they control they have a about 40 percent of all the natural gas production is comes from
01:28:04burisma and i and they said they need legal help and so i am of counsel to boy schiller flexner which is
01:28:11one of the most prominent law firms in the world at the time and so i bring them in as a client into
01:28:18boy schiller i do work for them i don't actually do it but the former head of the national security
01:28:25agents administration who uh deputy nsa director and another person that was chief of staff at the
01:28:31state department who are partners i pass it on to them they do a crawl report they do all of this
01:28:36background what what a crawl report crawl report basically doing a background report on the on
01:28:41the company to see if there's have any major criminal investigations or things like that
01:28:47and after that is all done i get approached by one of the board members who's a former president of
01:28:55poland president krogneski and he says hunter you thank you very much this has been really helpful to
01:29:00us you know from i'm a client elite a law firm and um he said but would you consider coming on the
01:29:08board and the reason is is because i believe that just simply by being on the board beyond the fact
01:29:15that you have the capacity now remember i'm on i'm serving on like literally 10 other boards i'm the
01:29:21chairman of the board of the center for national policy i'm the chairman of the board of the usun world
01:29:25food program largest humanitarian organization in the world serving over 70 million 72 million people in
01:29:3380 countries okay chairman for over five years at this point i'm chairman of the board of the truman
01:29:37national security project i'm a professor of uh at the georgetown university school of foreign service in
01:29:45the master's program i am you know like i i got the experience to do it and i served as the the vice
01:29:52chairman of the board for over seven years on the largest national passenger rail system in the world
01:29:57amtrak what do chairmen's of the board do i'm sorry i'm an idiot i've never been what do you do
01:30:03you are responsible for making certain that the operations and the reporting of particularly a
01:30:10public company but often a private company are in order so it means that you are doing anything from
01:30:19taking the financial reports and making certain that the legal operation is reporting to you and
01:30:23making certain that everybody in the c-suite and all the responsibilities reports to the board the
01:30:28independent board and they are tasked with certain decisions based upon the bylaws of that corporation
01:30:35and that's what that's what a board does and so i joined the board with an enormous amount of
01:30:41experience and i decided to do it and i go to the press and i put out a press release saying i just joined
01:30:47this board and then it's made clear how much i'm getting paid which is a whole lot of money yeah
01:30:53and you know what gives me that ability to do is it gives me the ability to not be on the road
01:30:59eight days a week uh you know trying to you know make a living while my brother is undoubtedly dying
01:31:06now this is not post-ball i made this decision and it was made purely because of that yeah that's it
01:31:12that's the truth that's a 100 truth did my dad do anything ever on behalf of burisma for me the exact
01:31:19opposite he fired a prosecutor whose name is shokin and shokin is known as the diamond prosecutor because
01:31:27he was in the pocket of all of the oligarchs including the guy that owned burisma and he was
01:31:34thwarting any investigation into these organizations and the entire world community comes and they say to
01:31:44ukraine through the mouthpiece of my father they say if you don't fire him the european union the uk
01:31:52the um uh the world trade organization um the world bank they say if if you don't fire shokin we are
01:32:00not we're we're no longer going to be continue to provide ukraine with aid and my dad delivers the
01:32:06message and shokin is fired that's the story it gets completely turned around and by the way two
01:32:17thirds of the time that i'm on the board my dad is neither president nor vice president doesn't have
01:32:22any control over over anything but was it smart obviously not i mean like i'm still sitting here
01:32:2910 years later 11 years later answering questions about it yeah what was the problem really people
01:32:36assume that it was like well by the way some strategic position or like exactly it's so bribery
01:32:42it be it becomes bribery okay and here's the thing a guy named Alexander smirnoff introduces into the
01:32:50bloodstream of the fbi as an informant that i took a bribe on behalf of my father for what i don't know
01:32:57exactly yeah we're doing for for this company for ukraine or whatever well it turns out that
01:33:04alexander smirnoff is a russian agent and he's serving six years in prison right now because they
01:33:10go back and they look at his story and his story is completely fabricated and how do they know it's
01:33:16completely fabricated because they have me under investigation for for the past seven years and so
01:33:20when he comes in and he says i have tapes of hunter biden in kiev talking about taking money with these
01:33:27people and here like you know and i can provide the tapes they say what are the dates i've never been
01:33:32to kiev justice department knows i've never been to kiev so they ask him to explain like well what are
01:33:37you talking about he goes no no absolutely here's the thing and they go back and they look at what he
01:33:41said like three years ago and they realize it was an entire russian off and it was being run by a
01:33:47guy named andre turkash and a guy named telezenko and a guy named demetri furtash who have all been
01:33:53not either sanctioned or criminally prosecuted not by the biden administration by the trump
01:33:58administration for being russian agents yeah and it all came through them and that becomes the bribery
01:34:02thing and then you have a guy named gal luft who comes along right at the time when i'm about to
01:34:08sign my plea deal and gal luft says from hiding somewhere that uh that he knows that i'm guilty of
01:34:18bribery also and you know he he broke well it turns out that gal luft after he makes those comments that
01:34:26he is under indictment not by the united states of america he is now for being an arms trafficker
01:34:34and a israeli agent that had been uh um uh uh breaking the sanctions as it relates to the iranian
01:34:42money with chinese chinese oil and he's a fugitive from justice that skipped bail basically in cyprus
01:34:48where he got arrested and is supposedly living in television spiderweb gets really yeah and people's
01:34:55eyes glaze over when i talk about it but that's i mean you have crazy problems like your your life
01:35:01problems are the craziest problems some so the last 15 years have really sucked oh well here's the other
01:35:08side of it you know what i i can't say that it's been i literally i'm i'm i am i i am more like
01:35:19absolutely certain and i'm not perfect but i'm more absolutely certain of who i am and happier every
01:35:26day when i wake up i wake up at five o'clock in the in the morning every day and i can't wait for
01:35:30the day yeah now sometimes like it's like you know like normal life like oh i gotta deal with this
01:35:35or that but the truth of the matter is is that i get up five o'clock and there's not this weight of
01:35:40secrets like hanging on my back like i'm gonna come talk to you you know i used to i would i would
01:35:46lose it to have to come and know that there's cameras and talk to four three strangers and come
01:35:51into a room and like feel like i have to perform and i was trying to think of it and explain to somebody
01:35:56why i don't feel that way other than just the mere practice okay i've thought about it you know what
01:36:04it's nothing's an act i don't have to go and be somebody that i'm not i don't have to like worry
01:36:12whether you're going to ask me about the hookers in the you know why i take pictures of myself when i
01:36:18was whacked out on crack in a motel room as much as i do i don't have to worry about you saying like
01:36:23well tell me about the ukraine thing i don't like i don't i don't have to be anybody but me
01:36:30in anybody's life what a gift yeah that is nice that's cool really genuinely like i don't by the way
01:36:36not just to the public to the people that i love most importantly how much of the challenge or the
01:36:44discomfort of addiction and that life is what's going on and how much of it is the shame and the
01:36:54secrecy and the lying like because physiologically shit's happening to you and you're you're kind of in
01:37:01it yeah but so much of it's got to be the story that you tell yourself and the shame and the lying
01:37:06and the guilt and the judgment and the secrets 90 of it in retrospect is that 10 of it the the
01:37:18physiological piece of it which is real but it's it's solvable i mean all you have to do is if if it
01:37:25was purely physiological all you'd have to do is just kidnap people hold them for three days in a
01:37:31cell i mean literally that's why the tattoos i loved it i loved it you're never going to think about it
01:37:45every time my family you can't have a nice memory you can't have anything that is the thing you said
01:37:50way way back though it's like because the internet is pretty wild the internet is you know you have a
01:37:55bunch of strangers just yeah commenting on all this stuff and there is something about having a kid
01:37:59or just family or friends where you have there's like a point where you have to almost be like all
01:38:03right like i'm gonna have to put my eggs in the basket of like family in my real life and really
01:38:08tune this stuff out because it's like we all got thrown into this weird t quasi tv show that like
01:38:14everyone's in and it really messes people up man totally but i've seen it rock people but also just
01:38:20it's already in everybody's life and so everybody who's out there not to realize this is this
01:38:25is it like yeah me having to um get honest with strangers is not normal do you know what i mean
01:38:33like when it becomes like a global thing like i was the number three most spoken about person on fox
01:38:37news for a four-year period of time straight the only two people that talked about me more or talked
01:38:42about more were my dad and donald trump did you say number three 1.5 articles a day day but
01:38:49the new york post over a year and a half yeah and the daily mail too same so that's got to get old
01:38:54my point yeah oh my god well by the way so old such an interesting guy so old so ubiquitous did you
01:39:00just turn it off yeah yeah but what about your how do you wait wait so i'm so sorry oh no what i was
01:39:05going to say about that is is that getting honest with that it's like that becomes background noise the real
01:39:12true gift is is the people that you care about getting honest with your partner now not my now
01:39:18wife which i didn't ever have to have i didn't ever have to live in a lie with her or have to you know
01:39:25what i mean like you never have to my but my mom and my dad and always thinking holy if they only knew
01:39:33well now they know yeah do you know what you know what i found out they still love me it's not like
01:39:40they were proud of me but yeah you know what they still love me my daughters still love me i'm and adore
01:39:47me i'm positive you know my my and like like wow like when you get that it's like okay you know what
01:39:56i'm gonna do this morning i'm gonna try to do the next right thing yeah yeah i'm gonna try to not do
01:40:02that yeah no that's that's i found that too with like it's a different thing but i used to get panic
01:40:07attacks all the time and i would i would start getting one and be like fuck and i wouldn't tell
01:40:11anybody i would just be like fuck fuck and you just it's worse and worse the minute you just like tell
01:40:14one person like i'm having a fucking panic attack like 90 of it goes away yeah yeah they're like
01:40:19dude take a breath and yeah you're right that's a perfect no it really is it's like a just a slow
01:40:23grade panic attack all the time like fuck you're seeing my phone it's like yeah it's a bad feeling
01:40:27but every time you're going through it the last thing you think is that i want to do that yeah yeah
01:40:35but for me it's like done they did it for me it wasn't any courage on my part you know what i mean
01:40:41it wasn't any therapy session on my part you're liberated liberated that's unleashed yeah what was
01:40:48your question sir you answered it no i'm just gonna i just imagine um you know you have five kids you
01:40:55know like that is amazing and like having to like and and that's i think is what grounds me and most
01:41:03people is like that's all that all you care about is what your kids and your family think about you
01:41:07ultimately who gives a fuck what the internet thinks but how do you you know how do you convey
01:41:14this to your children they're going to be at their friend's house fox news is going to come on
01:41:18hannity's veins are pulsing as he talks about you and they have to see that you know that's got to be
01:41:24hard to for them and for you to sort of how do you two instances one is this is that you just by just
01:41:32by staying clean it's over man just by not picking up you know that's that's the number one way just
01:41:38showing up showing up with a clear head you know or as clear as head can get not on substances right it's
01:41:45like being true to that you're 90 of the way there because then everything else is life
01:41:55like i haven't figured it out i'm figured out you know like i'm i make mistakes as a father and
01:42:01and a husband and a son and a and a nephew yeah you know all the time i'm selfish like you know what
01:42:08like i i think about like somebody asked me a question about my dad's health the other day and i
01:42:16was shocked by the like response of people like oh my god hunter biden like some revelation about
01:42:21you know something my dad has metastatic bone cancer which means it started off as prostate cancer
01:42:26and it escaped the area of the prostate and metastasized into his bones so he killed my mom
01:42:33he's not any different from when he had that when i when i uh when when that diagnosis was made public
01:42:40to today he's tough as shit metastatic bone cancer and bone cancer can be painful at times
01:42:48doesn't mean the treatment's not working it doesn't mean that radiation and chemotherapy
01:42:51that he went through and the you know the hormone therapy can't keep it at bay and all those kinds of
01:42:56things but i was shocked at how people like i think the other part that i said
01:43:03which is this it's really hard as a son yeah it's awful but like i don't just love my dad i adore him
01:43:13he's the center of our family not in a way because he's president of the united states but the fact is
01:43:18is that like he is the center of our family because we all rely on him his wisdom his affection his um
01:43:30his presence because he even was president even the vice president his whole career my dad was never not
01:43:37present for me my brother my sister and i just hope that so how do i do it just showing up man
01:43:47just showing up and showing up you know not smoking crack helps yeah yeah true it's a good
01:43:55if you could if you could uh war game out the next two and a half years for the democratic party what
01:44:00would you pick oh
01:44:06pure authenticity here's my thing i don't care if you're a democratic socialist i don't care if you're
01:44:11james tellerico and you're you know straight down the line in the middle of the road i don't care if
01:44:16you're gonna run away from joe biden's accomplishments or you're gonna run you know directly towards joe biden's
01:44:20complications i don't care if you think that aoc you know is the best thing since sliced bread
01:44:27or you think that you know joe manchin is the you know best thing if you tell me that what you're
01:44:34going to do is that you are going to recognize that the that a constitutional republic in which we live
01:44:40is worth saving then i'm i'll vote for you i don't even give a shit if you're republican at this point
01:44:45yeah if you're opposed put some put some chips down on the table who do you think would be good
01:44:50oh i really i'm not i'm not avoiding the the question i think that somebody's going to emerge
01:44:55like every single time within the democratic party with a vision and a voice that is going
01:45:00to capture the imagination but i'm telling you in this environment it has to do with one thing
01:45:05it has to do with whether or not you are being actually authentic if you're being honest with people
01:45:13people can smell it from a mile away and the reason they can is because we've lived through 10 years of
01:45:18the age of trump in which we we very much understandably confused authenticity with audacity
01:45:26trump would say things that nobody would say and people would go well that's authentic and then he
01:45:33wouldn't do them he says he's not going to ever go to war in the middle east and you'd have to be a
01:45:39goddamn evil you know an idiot to ever you know do it and he does he says that he's going to end the
01:45:44war with ukraine on day one and people go now that's what we want in the president and everybody with
01:45:49a brain knew that there was no way that he was going to end the war with ukraine on day one and here
01:45:53we are he said that he's gonna blah blah blah blah i mean i could go through the list and i start to
01:45:58sound like a politician he says that he's six foot three and he weighs 225 pounds and he has a and he
01:46:05shot 71 the the the the championship you know again everybody knows he's lying that's audacity
01:46:13people want somebody with all of their flaws to be honest with them about the challenges
01:46:20and how they're going to address them and by the way like all these people like i don't know what
01:46:25you guys think about mom donnie but all i know is this he said he was going to open up grocery stores
01:46:31the uh you know uh co-op grocery stores in the five boroughs and he did it he said that he was going
01:46:37to bring down the uh rent uh prices and he's doing it he said that he was going to balance the
01:46:43budget and he did it in six months he said now all of the other stuff is like what does he think about
01:46:49gaza i don't give a what the mayor of new york thinks about gaza what does he think about bb
01:46:53netanyahu doesn't matter to me if i live in new york city and i'm 28 years old and i just got married
01:47:00and it's not indicative of something a little bit deeper than just sort of where he's at in the local
01:47:05geography though do people not care about the deeper principles of the people that are supposed to
01:47:10be leading them oh i i i maybe maybe not but i do know this is that all politics is local
01:47:18zoran mom donnie works in in in the largest immigrant melting pot in the in of human history
01:47:24which is called new york city he works there you know what james tallarico who was an evangelical
01:47:29christian and a democrat and talks about the red letter uh words of christ in every speech that he makes
01:47:35is the right guy to be running in in texas just like i think that in a state like michigan with an
01:47:42incredibly vibrant and old and in uh important muslim community is that abdul al-sayed is a doctor
01:47:50abdul al-sayed is is is a great candidate for there you may want to be able to call him a communist because
01:47:56he believes in uh in universal health care i don't know anybody i have never talked to anybody that
01:48:03doesn't think that it's a right that people should have the right to access health care without going
01:48:10bankrupt i just think i don't know anybody i i feel like it's it's a i think people have become black
01:48:15pilled i i i don't think it's like explain to me black pill red pill people say that to me and i'm not
01:48:20joking well like i'm like which one's the black pill the black pill is is essentially nihilism okay yes
01:48:27okay so like so essentially like i totally agree with that and so the general sense is
01:48:33why why do we keep having these dudes why do we have these presidents why do we why are we doing this
01:48:39thing where we're connecting to this person or that person who says this or that and mondami i if i watch
01:48:46i see what algorithms pumping out yeah and how could you not like him he's putting water fountains up in
01:48:52central park and all these good things but then you see that like that's cool but then you think i'm
01:48:56not getting fooled again i'm not gonna let these people hypnotize me anymore inevitably they'll do the
01:49:02water fountains or the whatever for a little bit and then before you know it they're blowing up kids
01:49:07matter of time before there's a reason they have some important reason you are one dark
01:49:13motherfucker it's true no i mean dude that's that's the thing too where you are donnie's blown up
01:49:19well i i'm not yet not yet but you know what i'm saying like inevitably yeah it's like the hero show
01:49:24and then it's just like time goes on you're like what the i mean for me the political stuff
01:49:29is like you know like i think we're hopefully we're going to get to a point because we have been
01:49:34in like the whole trump which also there is the trump's like you know like you know negative half which
01:49:39is like the liberal media constantly obsessed with them it's like a feedback loop is my point
01:49:44and i i do i hope we'll get out of the thing of like mutual demonization where it's like you know
01:49:49this person's a liberal i can't even look at them and this person's good sir i i went to graduate
01:49:53school in brenmar yeah dude if you disagree with these people they would cry the staff would freak
01:49:59out and they were just like hardcore liberals oh he went to brenmar yeah i did come on talk about
01:50:04secrets exactly but my whole point is like i i just really hope that's why i kind of eye roll
01:50:09when you're talking about christophasism over it it's like dude i i just really hope we can all
01:50:14eventually learn how to be like okay you maybe maybe i think some of your ideas are a little weird or
01:50:18wacky because i didn't grow up like that and vice versa but the whole emotional charge behind it
01:50:24i do you think it's possible to get back to that i completely i think younger kids kind of laugh
01:50:28an eye roll when they hear like people 100 i'm going around talking and the difference between
01:50:32the people that are like 18 to 30 year olds and anything that i talk about is they get it
01:50:38in ways that if you're if you're my age or over the age of 40 or 45 and you get caught in all of
01:50:43these conversations exactly what matt said and i'm not saying to you is that like oh it's all about
01:50:48christo fascism what i'm saying is one of the underlying things i do believe you want to know what
01:50:53conspiracies that i believe in i believe that rich people eat at the same places go to the same clubs
01:50:59have the same interest and i'm talking about the point zero one percent and they pull the same
01:51:04strings and they have an inordinate amount of influence on government and if we really ever want
01:51:10to change things the thing that we have to do is figure out a way and i don't know the way i don't
01:51:14have the answer of getting money out of politics yeah the same money that's been there forever and they
01:51:19have a like they had that but you're absolutely right so you know how much that i get for going
01:51:24to talk to candace owens have you ever met candace no she is i mean i you won't meet someone who's
01:51:31personally nicer than candace now that doesn't mean that the things that she says i agree with or that i
01:51:38you know that i think that we did land on the moon i say this to kenis every time kenis we did we
01:51:42promise you we live on the moon but my point is pretty soon that we're going to just go back there and
01:51:48be able to be like hey there's the flag or whatever yeah oh but also you just lost me man
01:51:54like i was on board till you said we landed on the moon you don't think we went to the moon
01:51:59i'm so sorry to ask this is where i want to go yes our three let's wait didn't we just say what
01:52:05conspiracy theories do you believe in yes let's assess it moon landing footage please no i'm not
01:52:11to have known yes yes here we are candace come on candace come on down no i feel terrible i don't
01:52:17want to derail what was he was doing because i i do like where you're going with it and i feel like
01:52:21i just i derailed something quite beautiful that you said i don't want to question everyone everyone
01:52:27agrees money out of politics but like how does that trickle down to making the incentives of modern media
01:52:34social media uh using in-group out-group tribalism as an effective strategy to gain political office
01:52:41how does getting the money out of media stop the dynamics and the incentives of tribalism okay that
01:52:46to me feels like you mean money out of government okay not out of media but money out of government
01:52:51but i here's here's one way it's still going to be there on x to say no but here's the thing you know
01:52:56what you can curb those incentives i mean the incentive to uh to run roughshod over the the
01:53:02health and well-being of the american people and the way that you do that is for instance you um just
01:53:08get you end um uh section 230 the the immunity clause that for all social media and technology uh uh
01:53:15is that the pipeline thing no section 230 basically says that they are not responsible for their content
01:53:21or the effect the impact of their content so when meta goes out and they know that uh they're
01:53:26they're not responsible for the fact that their algorithm specifically is leading to an exponential
01:53:29increase in suicides among teenage girls in the united states of america and an exponential
01:53:35and an additional exponential increase in the number of girls that are harming themselves in uh
01:53:40to the degree that they are going to hospital emergency rooms because of it because of their
01:53:45algorithms their internal studies show documentation a whistleblower brings up all of the paperwork too
01:53:52and all of the the data that meta has uh that at that point i think at 2022 still facebook has collected
01:53:59internally you know what they did nothing do you know one did a thing so you have to change the law
01:54:07and the reason that the law is not being changed is because it's not just republicans it's democrats
01:54:15it's the people from uh you know in in support of the of the freedom of speech of silicon valley or in
01:54:22support you know how much money they pay for that this is a problem i think you're conflating two
01:54:27things like you're right like oh my god it's terrifying they studied bf skinner you know they
01:54:33behaviorism they've created a drug an addictive drug and they know how to like hack the human nervous
01:54:38system in a way that is making kids completely glued to this and is like an adult going nuts it's creating
01:54:46um psychic contagions cultural contagions and such and but the moment that you start creating laws where
01:54:55you hold them liable then suddenly somebody posts something right then you do limit freedom of speech
01:55:02what is the most beautiful thing about these things and i that's the problem is the two are are separate
01:55:08issues and and inevitably what happens is this this insane machine that sometimes is misinformation
01:55:17sometimes the truth sometimes in between it it will you'll nerf it and then the next thing you know
01:55:23it's like in canada or something like you know when if you want to push it in canada correct me if i'm
01:55:27wrong i think you have to like don't you have to have some kind of license like you can get your
01:55:32internet taken away the uk is just about to ask for people to upload their ids before they can have
01:55:36okay so here's the thing is i don't disagree with anything that you just said but you know what is
01:55:43that i think that we have to have this as an open discussion that's not incredibly infected by a uh a voice
01:55:52that has far more um power than yours or mine as a voter and and so what i'm saying is is that
01:56:01i think there's a way to get there but i know there's no way to get there when i'm working against
01:56:07you know a couple hundred you know billion dollars in that that are being paid through you know every
01:56:14which way that you can possibly imagine not just the republicans the democrats just as much i mean
01:56:19something's got to give yeah something's got to give you might know more about that yeah you genuinely
01:56:24might be right and know more about it than i do but i just i wouldn't bet against the human
01:56:30incentive toward tribalism online and as soon as you create a town square even if you start to
01:56:36restrict you section 230 gets repealed or you get it gets turned off and you're no longer a utility
01:56:42pipeline you're now actually no but if if that was the case yeah i get the sense that people just
01:56:49have these new rules and then they start to play with it like an mma fight that says okay no groin
01:56:53kicks it's okay well i'll find a different way to achieve the same outcome doing something maybe
01:56:58but you know what laying if you get rid of the you get rid of the groin kicks and so let's use a
01:57:03perfect analogy perfect analogy is the automobile industry okay so you know what should we be able to
01:57:11hold cars liable that do not provide a safe product for the driver and for the consumer we do right we
01:57:21apply these as it relates to um uh liability to every single other industry if you put out a product
01:57:29that is known like if i put out a bowl of cereal and the bowl of cereal absolutely is is killing uh it's a
01:57:36sugary cereal cereal and in the immediate it is a it has a poison in it also if you get the one lucky
01:57:43charm it's going to kill 10 of the kids that eat it you know what we have laws against that we have
01:57:50liability and so not only would it be necessarily illegal to do that but really what it would be is
01:57:56me as the consumer my child was killed because of the product that you created with the knowledge that
01:58:01that product has a better than even chance of creating the situation which ends up in their death
01:58:09that i get to sue you for doing that so for instance chat gpt chat gpt right now when you heard the stories
01:58:17of how it is speaking to people and like there's this one woman and i think i forget the exact so don't
01:58:24hold me to it she uh it it led her to believe that she was this messing on a figure and it literally
01:58:33encouraged her to take her life it said you should do it it would be the gift to the world if you take
01:58:40so because they have all the conversations with it you know what should chappy t gpt be held liable
01:58:47for that it it's product it's a technology that technology took a vulnerable person and convinced
01:58:55that vulnerable person that the best course of action that they could do was take a gun and shoot
01:59:00themselves in the head it told them to do it yeah yeah it almost seems like it should be held liable
01:59:04for that well yeah but i don't think freedom of speech applies to ai see i'm not talking about the
01:59:09freedom of speech so should meta be able to have an algorithm that they are able to turn up or down
01:59:15which they choose to turn up and which they know through their own studies is leading to the sui
01:59:22a exponential increase in suicide among girls between the ages of 13 and 17. you're saying more
01:59:27like some kind of some kind of regulation for the algorithm that's 230 consumer safety if you create
01:59:34a product that is unsafe you are are you are liable to the consumer if they are harmed by it yeah i agree
01:59:41with that i think you should that's all i'm saying i think here's the rub here's the here's the rub
01:59:46though i think yeah 100 should do that the chat gpt stuff it's like it does seem like an almost easy
01:59:51fix like hey if anyone ever says they're gonna kill themselves just code in don't do that yeah i mean
01:59:55like that seems like it does do that yeah you you would think you would think but um but the the
02:00:01problem is because then you get into but then it goes into a gray area of like what's safe and what's
02:00:05unsafe that was like the covet thing if you had like any sort of descending viewpoint they'd be like this is
02:00:09unsafe and then you could people who might have a political agenda editorializing and then go that's
02:00:14unsafe therefore i'm talking about consumer safety that's yeah for sure i'm not talking about what
02:00:18the argument that's going on in the uk right now which i think is over the top and ridiculous in
02:00:23terms i mean not the argument the the way in which the uk is dealing with it i think that there's
02:00:28there's real um like i'm gonna get killed by everybody on the left for this but yeah i think that
02:00:34the it's overkill what they're doing as it relates to um free speech in many instances i'm not talking
02:00:40about freedom of speech i'm talking about pure consumer safety what do you make of the increase
02:00:45in political violence over the last few years january 6 trump white house correspondence dinner okay so i
02:00:51don't know charlie kirk yeah charlie cook yeah i don't know uh i do know this is that i think that we
02:00:58are experiencing the same level of of of uh of a political violence that um has been present in the
02:01:06united states of america since its inception i mean if you look at it this we're we're we're way below
02:01:12where we were between 1968 and 1972 weather underground martin luther king jfk malcolm x i
02:01:19mean just go down and down the licks stokely carmichael i mean uh huey newton the way in which
02:01:23the police responded to all of them i mean like you go down and you want to talk about political violence
02:01:29by the way ron reagan didn't only was was actually not an attempt he was actually shot not only was he
02:01:36shot there was at least three attempts on his life in the eight years that he was at president
02:01:41the united states you go the political violence that was uh that was directed outwards during
02:01:48the bush the second bush administration in the iraq war in the afghanistan war the amount of violence
02:01:54that occurred outside the uh outside the united states to protect us from political violence
02:02:02i abhor all of it i mean it's just it's like the but one of the things about this country
02:02:11is that is like if like we're honest with ourselves we are an incredibly violent society we are in terms
02:02:24of we we have five percent of the world's population and we represent 25 of the world's incarcerated people
02:02:35more than china more than russia more than india 25 of the world's incarcerated people
02:02:42are in the united states of america and so like there's a lot of stuff that we need to reckon with
02:02:51you know but but i'm not like we're not figuring that out all i want to figure out right now
02:02:57one thing i believe that donald trump is truly an existential threat i'm i'm here to say this if
02:03:04you voted for him three times okay i'm okay with that i understand i can understand why you why you
02:03:11maybe have gotten there i don't have any problem with you like i want to go down and sit with whether
02:03:16it's joe rogan or whether it's theo or whether it's tucker carl i mean there are people that have said
02:03:21worse things about me than than not joe and theo but like others or about my dad but like if you're
02:03:27on board with me that what this is doing right now is pure insanity it cannot be good for the future of
02:03:34this country and for for our our position in the world then i'm on board with you i mean literally
02:03:41i mean i don't agree with a single thing that marjorie teller green has ever done in her politics
02:03:48other than this she woke up to the fact that donald trump is a complete and utter fraud it's just the
02:03:54wars man it's like every president i don't know what wars your dad conducted i'm sure he didn't
02:04:01he got out of every single war we were the first president first president in 40 years not to be
02:04:06have a um you know when he got killed for pulling out of afghanistan but when other people got killed
02:04:12when we were pulling afghanistan too well we lost 10 soldiers pulling out of afghanistan ending the 20
02:04:17year war while he was president okay that's great i don't listen i am so bad at politics but man let me
02:04:24just say one thing for real this is what is important is that he did the exact opposite okay not only
02:04:30that is that he didn't drop a bomb on a single person in the four years that he was there when
02:04:35your dad was president there weren't any civilians casualties well there was enormous amount of
02:04:39civilian casualties that were uh in gaza by virtue of what the israelis were doing but not by virtue of
02:04:46the actual us engaging in in in violence against another nation you're saying like when your dad was
02:04:52president there weren't civilian casualties in afghanistan or around the world not because of us we
02:04:57pulled out every troop every single troop that was enough he did what he could do after 20 years was
02:05:01pulled out i guess the broader point i'm trying to make and uh sorry if i said your dad blew up a
02:05:07bunch of kids like some kind of hippie and i don't know that but i he probably did no offense no he didn't
02:05:15no offense by the way literally like oh oh okay yeah what what years was my response oh all right
02:05:24yeah what what year was this again it was at the what was it the ukraine when did ukraine start ukraine
02:05:29started in 2021 when like when my dad was president but again what i'm saying is that we didn't put any
02:05:35boots on the ground in ukraine the thing that gets me alive is you've got all like we've been at war for
02:05:39what 93 of our history and you look at the first time the united states was not at war was under the
02:05:45administration of joe biden in which he got murdered by everybody for politically for pulling out of a
02:05:51war that we've been in the 20 uh for over 20 years it's a low bar if you're at war for 93 but your dad
02:05:56okay listen listen all i'm saying he never gets credit for that yeah that's a good thing he did and
02:06:03but for me what eats me alive yeah is that like those bombs whether whatever it may be all those
02:06:10bombs how much they cost right and then you hear kids kids are in school lunch debt what the is that
02:06:18there's kids who like who can't get healthy school lunches there's the teachers who aren't getting paid
02:06:24you know and you look at how much each of those bombs cost you want to you know whether it's tax the
02:06:31rich or tax the oligarchs why don't we stop spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on
02:06:38bombs that are blowing up countries for completely enigmatic mysterious reasons most people don't
02:06:45understand and it used i remember when we right when we were about to bomb iraq i remember man i was in
02:06:52la i was at the marches dude everyone's marching everyone's so furious what are we doing and then
02:06:59gradually it seems like the national reaction to this insane violence that we conduct
02:07:06year after year after year it's like we're we're we're not pushing back anymore we're just letting
02:07:11it happen 184 iranian school girls blown up that's can you imagine yeah by the way that was two tomahawk
02:07:20missiles yeah not one two that's that's that's when the you know kind of started become untethered when
02:07:26people would be like well it is a military conflict and things you it's like things happen it's like
02:07:30no come on man no you can't just say that you can't say that things happen you can't say that
02:07:35anymore yeah so that's what the that's where also also i mean i don't know i don't plan the wars
02:07:40obviously but it's like it's fun thanks for clarifying that well it was it's easy to armchair
02:07:45quarterback but it's like that sounds almost like they can you know the conspiracy guy means like you
02:07:50sure you're not terrorizing them like gratuitous yeah yeah because you're dealing with people who
02:07:54you know literally kill people professionally and it's like i i have a hard time believing there's
02:07:59a lot of people who can kind of delineate clearly billions of dollars are at stake not to be like
02:08:03the precision with which we are able yeah to take out a single person as the which is the relative
02:08:11size of a grain of sand um on on a map that we that that that was a mistake when we were making
02:08:20surgical strikes yeah have you ever seen really hard for me to believe too you ever seen when they
02:08:25retrofit samurai blades to a tomahawk have you seen this no fucking awesome you want to talk about
02:08:30precision so they're able to they're able i think it's a hellfire missile maybe they launch it from
02:08:36the very beginning and then they use fins to guide it from there but there's no ordinance in it this
02:08:41thing is so fucking accurate that if you've got a bad guy in a car you need to know what ct sat in
02:08:47oh i've heard of this because this will go through the roof and these blades come out and there was a
02:08:53dude who they'd found like quite high up i think maybe something to do with 911 and this guy every
02:08:59morning would go and have his coffee and they sent two in the air at the same time it's like one
02:09:06two there's no explosion this guy just gets turned into dust honey the reason we don't have your
02:09:11insulin is because we had to pay for sword bombs that was one guy that was really
02:09:18that's different to blowing up a school of children but by the way you know what though
02:09:22is that in the past for for so many decades now the argument the the hippie argument that you're making
02:09:31is kind of like oh well what are you talking about we need to are you kidding me you know what we have a
02:09:37trillion dollar budget for uh for now what is called the department of war yeah we're not even
02:09:43defending ourselves now we're talking about killing people rather than defending ourselves yeah it's
02:09:48outrageous it's outrageous in a country in which we're the only industrialized nation in the entire
02:09:55world that does not have a uh a universal access to health care i'm voting for you man excuse me i got
02:10:02to pee yeah you go first yeah i honestly i have a theory that it's hard to kind of keep the army
02:10:09going if you have universal health care and you know why is that college because it's that's like
02:10:13kind of the that's kind of the care of the dangle to get people in the army because if you give
02:10:17everyone that's interesting everybody yeah we'll just inscript people then here's something that
02:10:23bugs me out and i always try to wrap my head around it i remember so i think i was graduating
02:10:27college around like occupy wall street time yeah i think they polled people and i think it was something
02:10:33like maybe 20 of the people believed anything the government said everyone had this like really
02:10:37apathetic attitude towards like yeah i don't believe anything they say and then you know so that was 2009
02:10:44by 2020 not only do people you know wholeheartedly believe the government but all of a sudden they
02:10:49like wouldn't talk to their aunts and uncles because they voted one way or the other people
02:10:53they got like somehow turned this like people didn't really care when i graduated college
02:10:57at least the people i knew and you know i guess abroad and all of a sudden some dial got turned
02:11:01where it's like now like families are falling apart over politics and it just was like i always
02:11:07wonder like how exactly did that happen i don't know i think it's all i agree with you 100 it's
02:11:13very quick yeah i i i i i say to everybody and then sometimes like i go home and i'm like
02:11:21do i really believe that is the thing that i say is is that we're not nearly as divided as we're being told
02:11:27for sure because i really believe that but then i go home and i do it the same thing that everybody
02:11:33else does i leave here i get in the uber to go to the airport and i'll open up my phone and i'll go
02:11:40through my for you page and i'll be like fuck like we're broken we're broken we're broken and like
02:11:46those mother god damn it those mother god damn it those motherfuckers i mean i even find it in this is
02:11:51that like i want to i want on x and i went on instagram it was like a new thing to me and then
02:11:57you know the main thing i wanted to do was subsec because that's where i write and i'm doing little
02:12:00things subsec rules and also i can make a little bit money pay my bills for sure yeah so but i went on
02:12:06x and this come x is like a crapshoot you know depending on what it is it's like i mean it is the
02:12:14meanest x is wild it's like insane okay and just like it's nating like you crackhead pedophiles you
02:12:22know the i mean like the the shit i mean it's and then on instagram it will be like oh my god
02:12:32that was so beautiful thank you you've helped me in my recovery and i would love to this is a picture
02:12:38of my cat it's beautiful and uh and here's me and my husband we're with our dog and we love you so much
02:12:46and like i'm like oh but i gotta go back to action it's the same yeah oh yeah you want to read it's
02:12:51it's the same you call me a crackhead right just a different ecosystem same exact post on both on
02:12:57both sides and literally that will be what it is and my point being is that we are all drawn to the
02:13:04fucking train wreck we are all drawn to the confrontation we are all drawn to and like and
02:13:11that becomes everything you know what i mean like i mean melissa's like like it'll be two o'clock in
02:13:16the morning she'll be like look at this brandishing your ex account because of my past life it would
02:13:22be like look like yeah what was on that phone yeah you know what i mean heart skips a beat no it's like
02:13:27yeah here's my phone you can look at whatever you want but it's yeah but it's like you know like kids
02:13:32are in you know i mean just it's awful i think people are burning out on it i i really do i think
02:13:37people are burning out on it and i think it's going to seem kind of like you know if you go from like 2016 to
02:13:43now it was pretty in vogue in like 2016 2020 to just be like freaking out on people and like all caps
02:13:49twit like tweets like another thing i think especially younger people are going to be like
02:13:53come on man like i think they'll be eye rolling that kind of stuff yeah you joke that we're not
02:13:57quite in the matrix yet i think you said we're like oh maybe there but not quite there in the matrix
02:14:03there's a conspiracy i believe in but all right yeah yeah we'll save it for when you come back
02:14:07uh what would convince you that we've crossed the line fully across into matrix land well i mean if
02:14:12like i think the way i guess if you wanted to like make the connection that we're in the matrix
02:14:21then you would essentially like have to say like we we do sort of live in a simulated reality if
02:14:26we're getting all of our data from our phones you know what's happening is you're getting this
02:14:33algorithmic interpretation of reality and then you're believing that that is reality and so
02:14:41do you know in that case if that's what's occupying your mind it doesn't matter what's going on in the
02:14:45world you don't need to be plugged in through something in the back of your head yeah i don't
02:14:49think so at all i think that the the there's a veil of illusion that's fallen over everything which
02:14:56is whatever your particular subjective experience is online i mean look at the data for how long how
02:15:02much time we're spending on our phones generally fixating on things that will will never see will
02:15:08never hurt us will never touch us and yet that's throwing a shadow over regular life and so that
02:15:16would be a kind of simulated artificial reality as far as like simulation theory itself like what nick
02:15:21bostrom writes about and stuff um i i think his argument is uh you know there's some kind of mathematical
02:15:29probability that we are not existing far more simulated ones than the one root one that's downstream
02:15:35yeah it's some iterative simulation in the sense that this this isn't reality it's already some form of
02:15:43matrix that alien technology and within it as above so below it continues to simulate a nest yeah yes
02:15:51do you know the uh the plank length have you come across this oh yeah yeah so this is this is pretty
02:15:55cool so there's a smallest length that you can measure things in the universe it's called the
02:16:01plank length you can't there's no such thing as dropping it in half it's the smallest that anything
02:16:06can be it's like insane so much smaller smaller smaller smaller than an atom and um one of the
02:16:11arguments for simulation theory is that that's the pixel size right of the universe right or you could
02:16:16have local uh like generation that sure it only appears where you're seeing uh we're talking about
02:16:23simulation simulation hypothesis uh but yeah plank length is the pixel size well here's the best
02:16:30argument for the simulation hypothesis if you want to like really prove you're in a simulation you don't
02:16:35even have to go to the plank length you just you are in a simulation in the sense that phenomena is
02:16:42being interpreted by your senses woven together instantaneously into some kind of reality upon which
02:16:49you are applying all of your subjective experience all of your bias and this thing that you are
02:16:56experiencing is going to be different than what i'm experiencing what you're what any of us are
02:17:00experiencing so in that case every every if you have a human nervous system you are in a simulated reality
02:17:07it's just you are simulated by you you're the simulator and what was what was your matrix conspiracy
02:17:13no i i i i don't think that there's anything new to the hypothesis that we are living in the simulation
02:17:19there is language that we now use that's based upon our understanding of um uh the metaphysics and our
02:17:27understanding of quantum uh the reality that we live in but if you go read the upanishads from
02:17:333 500 years ago and the vedic wisdom you'll literally they're saying exactly this yeah they're
02:17:40saying exactly this it's the it is a almost one for one except the language is just different in which
02:17:47they um attribute you know these principles it's kind of the perennial philosophy it's all this huxley
02:17:54it is the idea that there is a reason why throughout all of human history at least in our um uh uh organized
02:18:03civilizations that we have come to the the the the the people that have been uh the the the wise people
02:18:12of the of whatever epic that is have all come to the same conclusion and that is that we are all
02:18:20connected we are all one thing that all of our physical reality is an illusion that there is no
02:18:26such thing as time and space i mean i now i'm really sounds like you're back on track what but i really
02:18:33mean it though and that it is it is nothing new we have different ways of explaining it yeah but if you
02:18:41look at like where we are headed with ai right now and everybody that i listen to that comes on that are
02:18:50really truly involved in the creation of this all have come to the same conclusion that within one
02:18:55two maybe already we're at uh agi and if that's the case then we're what two three years maximum in terms
02:19:03of super intelligence not even we're almost minutes away from it potentially from super intelligence and
02:19:08if we hit super intelligence we've just crossed a line that is the greatest advancement in human
02:19:16the the the human experience well ever what separates artificial and like super intelligence from our
02:19:23regular artifacts it innovates oh so just thanks so we have super intelligence well well well you know
02:19:28yeah except no so there's the difference yeah agi is that there is a machine can do everything in
02:19:37anything that a a human can do okay super intelligence is when a machine can do things that humans have never
02:19:44been able to do or or do which by the way i i read some article by the way i just made that up
02:19:51you should write that down yeah but what if it says we don't we're just like what if it's dumb
02:19:56it's just we're like we just like is it going to say stuff that we were like we're still gonna have
02:19:59to decide whether it's like smarter than well by the way it's like an alien landing on earth that's what
02:20:03it is if you want to believe in aliens they are about to land because what it is it'd be a species that
02:20:09is so far more capable and understanding the us what we're capable of they will super intelligence will
02:20:18look at us potentially and this is what they're concerned with yeah as like we look at ants and
02:20:24like we look at insects here's an example and whether or not they save us or they or or it you
02:20:30know or put us in the zoo or whether this has happened a billion times before we're living in the
02:20:36same you know yeah this is what bostrom said like to to put into perspective it's a great book
02:20:41super intelligence you read that book it's so good he so basically the way that we process time
02:20:49is based somehow on how fast the brain obviously i'm not a doctor or a scientist but bosham's example is
02:20:59theoretically if you get a super intelligence and the like and you spill your coffee like before the
02:21:06coffee hits the floor the super intelligence could have written like a hundred doctoral theses in in
02:21:13that amount of time and so the way it one of the questions is will it even be aware of us anymore
02:21:19like we will seem so slow to it but a more real world example which i read it's already happened
02:21:26is these things are innovating ways to like redo engines that we don't quite understand so what could
02:21:33start happening is it starts giving us blueprints to create technologies and we don't even know why
02:21:38or how they work essentially it's lord of the rings like yeah now it's just magic these things are
02:21:44spitting out you know cures or god knows what and then on top of that let's think of it from the idea
02:21:51of a prediction right yeah yeah oh yeah if you really don't understand what we are going to do or what
02:21:56anyone what anything is going to do that's the same way and and it could it by the way it's either you
02:22:06i believe that there is a a utopia to it potentially potentially but there's no getting to that utopia
02:22:15without going through what and i don't want to use the word apocalypse but some really really difficult
02:22:22times that the way in which everything that we do is going to be so completely dislodged like we're
02:22:30sitting here talking about saving democracy i don't know how how what is the purpose of a government
02:22:36and democracy in a world in which super intelligence exists which can't be controlled and that's the
02:22:41other thing this whole idea that somebody's going to get to it before we do once you create once
02:22:46super intelligence is released there's no pouring your soda can on the computer yeah how though it's not
02:22:53it's not like saved in servers and all that stuff or powered by it has already without being even
02:22:58supposedly reaching a agi has uh figured out ways to preserve itself so like they've run these tests
02:23:05they've run these tests um and i think forget it was that anthropic or anthropic anthropic in which
02:23:12they were going to shut they they they they let the the um uh the model know that it was going to be
02:23:19shut down not directly but through communications that were on uh you know on the server between the
02:23:25scientists that were involved and you know what it did it created copies of itself it hid those copies
02:23:32from the um from its creator and also it began to blackmail the um they put in little things about
02:23:39like one of the scientists was having an affair with one of the other scientists so it started to send
02:23:44emails to the one scientist saying if you attempt to do this let it be known that they were going to
02:23:51blackmail them and make it public their affairs that they were having with a another so it started to
02:23:57take the self-preservation that were never instructed to do in which was in a direct um uh uh directly opposed to
02:24:07the actual directions that the people that created it were giving it but that's imagine even before
02:24:14matt this is i wonder though is is it possible we're in the middle of a like the most unfathomable
02:24:20marketing campaign for this technology by the way i've thought about that yeah and you absolutely 100
02:24:28could be right yeah i i think about that all the time i'm like you know again like marketing evolves for
02:24:33the trillions of dollars that they are putting into yeah 40 stanford educated people and like let's
02:24:39cook how would we cook up the next so was it a whole big psyop when when anthropic came out and
02:24:44said they just created oh you guys can't use those that's the fate yeah and by the way the real joke
02:24:50on all of us is they called it mythos you know what i mean like it's like i mean i could totally
02:24:55completely wonder i wonder about that's my other thing i wonder i'm like maybe you know for me it's like i
02:24:59don't know but i always wonder i'm like i don't know part of me feels like i'm in the middle of the
02:25:02most insane marketing campaign dude no they just whipped up i just read this they just used an ai to
02:25:07create a virus a bacteriophage that they just did they've already done this they don't who the
02:25:14fuck is doing well they can stop don't do that don't do that i know it's crazy but they did it and so
02:25:20this this is the apparently there's an llm but for genome editing they already have this yeah yeah and
02:25:27so the what what we're looking at even before like the terrence mckinney utopian end of history
02:25:32singularity time machine bullshit is i think more akin to like school shootings it's like we now know that
02:25:41kids will go into a school and just start shooting a bunch of people using guns what happens when
02:25:48technology formerly accessible only by like the wuhan institute for virology and the what's it called
02:25:56what is it fauci was doing there is data function gain of function well you know you what happens
02:26:01what's up we all know what gain a function i know i never wanted to know that see it by the way none
02:26:07of us really know what that is anyway it's an amplifier yeah exactly the gain of function man
02:26:15it's an amplifier you can already order gene editing kits online and so what happens when this technology
02:26:22falls into the hands of non-state agencies just pissed off people who want to start whipping up their own
02:26:28diseases what happens then this is you know the uh the more present danger than an agi is someone using
02:26:37some kind of local llm trained on gene editing and some dna printer to whip up some new disease on the
02:26:47on the dna printer thing that is an area that's actually a bit more secure which is pretty cool
02:26:52so i've had a couple of conversations annie jacobson who's written this new book about biological war
02:26:56and uh a few of the people that have worked in x-risk for a while um when you have these desktop
02:27:01printers dna sequences if you want to print anything you can't do it without a connection and there's
02:27:09green yellow and red and green you're allowed to print freely yellow you need to get permission and
02:27:15red the fbi turn up and kick your door down okay but let me stop you there i have a local i'm
02:27:20theoretically local llm a local llm it's offline i downloaded it it's like one of these new chinese
02:27:26local lms it's online right you've used kimmy or whatever how do i fix that problem how do i make
02:27:33it so hey can you hack my desktop printer to get around the thing yeah all these things you know
02:27:37whatever all of this all of this stuff is an arms race between the development of the technology and
02:27:42the protections that we need to put around it it's just it's permanently moving like this the crazy
02:27:48thing is i don't think from a consumer standpoint the people are that bothered about ai's getting
02:27:53that much better they're already achieving probably 90 95 of what i wish it was a bit less sycophantic i
02:27:59wish it wouldn't use so many m dashes i wish it would like write a bit better or whatever but like
02:28:03for the most part like fucking new chat gpt links in with your all of the health stuff on your phone and
02:28:09i've got this test that i want to know and can you give me advice for the present for the
02:28:12fucking i'm going away on holiday like it's amazing yeah by the way yeah it's absolutely amazing and
02:28:19life-changing and and and by the way and but to your point like if somebody can build that like that
02:28:27um uh to do us harm then my feeling is is that the opposite is true that we just as fast can come up
02:28:34with the with with with the antidote that being said though is that it doesn't mean that it's not
02:28:38going to be really really scary there's way more ways to break stuff than fix stuff all right like
02:28:43there's only a few ways that you want things to go well but there's basically an infinite number of
02:28:46ways that things can go badly so you can tend to you just have to work harder to avoid that question
02:28:51on that on the fauci thing i haven't been fucking keeping up at this at all but all i see
02:28:55online videos of people shouting at fauci like he's sat in a chair looking sad and people are saying
02:29:02mean things at him and then he keeps bleeding the fifth what are they trying to do okay here let me
02:29:07i know this is not a popular uh in um in uh where i'm maybe maybe not i don't know where you guys
02:29:14don't know what's going on okay it's this whatever you think of anthony fauci him taking the fifth was
02:29:21his only choice and here's why is because i know from personal experience is that all they were doing
02:29:29with fauci is bringing him up to congress so that he could testify and if he opened his mouth no matter
02:29:37what he said they were going to refer him to the justice department which is owned lock stock and
02:29:43barrel by donald trump and whatever whims that he has and they were going to charge him with perjury
02:29:49that's it and regardless of whether there is a true is now they've charged him they're considering
02:29:55charging him with contempt of congress i thought they did there is no jury in the world there is no
02:30:00i can't even believe they'll get it through a grand jury if they uh at congress did whether
02:30:05the justice department follows through with charges on uh contempt of congress is another thing
02:30:11that's right because everyone has the ability to take the fifth it is this it just like i have the
02:30:18right to say what i want to say um you know as long as it's not yelling fire in a crowded movie theater
02:30:25as under the first amendment i have the right to the fifth amendment which means that i don't have to
02:30:30open my mouth in a situation in which i am under oath and i could later be charged as for lying but
02:30:37they're okay that's fair are they because i don't really know much about either other than they found
02:30:42his diary or something on the state they didn't find it they subpoenaed his yeah and yeah so but
02:30:48what they're trying to prove i guess is that did he actually have knowledge that it was made in a lab
02:30:54or not no no and that's and so under his diary and he and he's spoken about this publicly he said he's
02:31:01testified to it that he says no it is not the gain of function research that he believes he does he's
02:31:08also said that he does not know whether it was a lab leak or whether it was you know natural from
02:31:14whatever and i don't know i thought there was an admission in the diary that he was like or at least
02:31:18somebody told him that they were it was like yeah i don't know do we have like that i think i think
02:31:23there was something and again i could be wrong but i think it was something saying there was a lot of
02:31:27people being like there's no way this was a wet market and then they were kind of taking off the
02:31:32panel of experts quote unquote they're like no we have a unanimous that's again that's what i've
02:31:36heard i don't know if that was like yeah see i don't know that's the thing i think that if that's
02:31:40what we've heard it would have been much bigger story dear diary yeah yeah that's the worst remember
02:31:46what we've had heard because this is this is the tell by the way yeah what did we learn from his
02:31:51diary that he had a really big ego and that he was kind of blown away by the amount of attention and
02:31:58fame that he had and in that moment of time those are all the things that we you've heard that reporting
02:32:03right you've heard that reporting about that you know and i mean you really don't want that's what
02:32:07we learned from his diary leading the response if we had learned that it was game of function that he
02:32:13was responsible for setting it up in the moon yeah yeah yeah then we wouldn't be sitting here
02:32:17wondering whether or not did you see rfk bragging that he's got no gag reflex oh god what have you
02:32:24seen this video for real what watch this i don't have a reflex i will literally eat anything because
02:32:32i don't have uh i don't have i can fit a hundred foot sausage he's talking about taste of food right
02:32:41but i mean that's just oh he's not saying getting stuff oh is this i'm sorry okay no person should
02:32:49ever statesman should ever say that rfk is my falchi i like rfk the way i think you like falchi
02:32:57and i dude i i see green beans and i would gag wasn't like throating them i would taste them and be
02:33:01like yeah okay so i like i like rfk but yeah he does like him now i i've always liked him do you like
02:33:08him more now for sure i want to hang out with him yeah it seems pretty fun now i really want to hang
02:33:15out with him yeah that is just saying what do you what do you make of rfk exactly what what do you
02:33:22make of rfk i don't know man i mean here's what i make of rfk is that i i believe that he um uh
02:33:32i don't know i just am so disappointed that's why because forget about the all the other stuff okay i
02:33:38don't um i don't share the same view that he has but i don't have any of the scientific background
02:33:43as it relates to yeah the vaccines and all that kind of shit i'm i i
02:33:53trump is an existential threat and everybody will say oh this is trump deranger syndrome is this is it
02:33:59one of the things that i know and that i no one is ever going to take me off of this is trump is doing
02:34:04more damage to the united states of america than any other single individual that i can possibly think
02:34:09of since maybe andrew johnson after the assassination of abraham lincoln i really mean it he is like like
02:34:17the way in which he has turned a uh the the oval office into the family office that for the pure
02:34:26benefit of him take away all of the policy decisions or whether you think about woke in you know the
02:34:31military or whatever that i don't give a is the way in which he's turned it into a a a way to personally
02:34:41gain is that an existential threat though or is that just a shallow one a hundred percent
02:34:45because if you are able to uh uh become president for the sole purpose of benefiting yourself that is
02:34:55called a king it is literally is a uh regardless of whether you have elections in the future or not
02:35:02if you are able to with with impunity make the oval office make the presidency into a uh you know a
02:35:11a personal uh project for your own benefit you know i mean look man the qataris gave him
02:35:19a half a billion dollar jet he then took it to the department of defense and put in another billion
02:35:25and a half in taxpayer money into it and he has a signed document from his own attorney general saying
02:35:32that he gets to take the plane with him when he leaves the presidency that's crazy that's great
02:35:38okay dude i can't yeah i can't i can't criticize the guy that gets a million dollars yeah
02:35:43just think about how insane that is yeah yeah forget about all the other stuff just take that
02:35:48one thing and by the way there is a cause it's called the emoluments clause in the constitution that
02:35:52says no president can take a gift my dad and mom you know i mean they get gifts everywhere you go
02:35:59they literally you send them to the national archives you send them to the smithsonian
02:36:04they don't keep a single personal gift unless they decided that they wanted to pay for it and of
02:36:08course they didn't have any money to be able to pay president has to pay for the gifts they get oh
02:36:12yeah 100 that's if they take it or they keep it by the way i don't i don't disagree that's that's
02:36:17fair i don't disagree that he's you know nuts the the question though is like he's definitely
02:36:23not the first president to act in their own interest if you take all of politicians i'm not
02:36:27saying that but his self-interest you're saying is so inflated so insane so insane over the top
02:36:35it just feels like he's the first president he's selling out and do what they've all been if you
02:36:40no no no no no no and by the way i i'm not saying listen i'm not saying he makes richard
02:36:47nixon look like a piker he is literally for a hundred thousand dollars you can pay true so
02:36:54you can you can go on true social pay an additional hundred thousand dollars to get a to to get like
02:36:59an hour ahead of time the text that he's about to put out so you know what stuff you know what he's
02:37:03doing yeah now by the way it's literally paying for insider trading and it's so if he goes on true
02:37:08social and says i'm opening up the straight term or oh the straights are open up again for the 39th time
02:37:14yeah you got he you paid through social and he's completely open about it he made thirty
02:37:19four thousand or thirty four hundred thirty four hundred trades in the first quarter of this year
02:37:27as president of the united states you know how many more that is than like my dad
02:37:32thirty four hundred you know how much more that isn't uh than barack obama thirty four hundred
02:37:37so that's the entire eight years of their presidency i'm so dumb i was about to be like you said your
02:37:41dad didn't make trades i'm like yeah yeah that is that's probably why he's always going on about
02:37:51stock market he comes out i do the stock market's crushing it right dude what are you so mad about
02:37:55by the way every single time go look at the wall street journal you literally can see it in terms
02:37:59of the thing they have the actual numbers is that there's like oh interestingly enough when he um uh
02:38:06imposed the blockade an hour before there's a 500 billion dollar trade yeah you can see it listen to
02:38:13this yeah jared kushner okay jared kushner who is not elected by anyone not appointed by anyone he
02:38:20supposedly does not work directly for the white house he doesn't have a senate confirmation position he
02:38:25is not elected by the department of defense to the department of state however he is our envoy to the
02:38:29middle east he's getting paid over a hundred million dollars by the saudis alone and has over 6.2
02:38:38billion dollars under management from the gulf states including uae cutter oman and everybody
02:38:45else in the region that are paying him hundreds of million dollars in fees to him personally who is he
02:38:51negotiating for he's getting paid a hundred million dollars for certain if you started with ukraine
02:38:58you could have gone so much harder no i know but by the way oh 100 but literally who's he negotiating
02:39:03for he and whitkoff when as it relates to yeah what happens in gaza has a relation to what happens
02:39:08in straits of ramos because he literally is the mouthpiece for for the united states of america why do
02:39:13you think why because i mean the can you imagine it's insane that's absolutely nuts why do you think
02:39:18trump did the iran thing because it seems so obviously dislikable from so many people for that reason
02:39:24because of the saudi kushner that will tell you why is because every single prime minister of israel
02:39:32since jimmy carter has walked into the oval office and begged the president to strike around yeah since
02:39:39jimmy carter every one every president has said love you get out of my office you know why they've
02:39:47done that you know why they've done that it's bad because every one of them knows is that the first
02:39:52thing the iranians can do is they're going to shut down the straits of ramos and you know what that's
02:39:56going to do it is going to literally paralyze the world economy not just as it relates to our fuel but as
02:40:05it relates to everything that has to do with petroleum but in particular the one that's going
02:40:09that everybody's not even talking about is what it does to fertilizer and to the cost of the american
02:40:14farmer and so we the breadbasket of the world are getting crushed farmers are getting crushed right
02:40:21now and so now state of the strait of hormones now still closed he's now opened it up over 39 this is like
02:40:28the 40th time i i nominated him for the nobel peace prize for ending a war more than not only not once
02:40:35not twice 38 times why why do you want the straight of hormones closed though they don't want it closed
02:40:43and they didn't want this to happen the israelis wanted to have and what they thought that they
02:40:47were going to be able to do is decapitate and take out khomeini and that all of a sudden that the
02:40:52rest of the gulf would would rally that they would come in but everybody look you gotta there's a guy
02:40:58that that teaches this at the war college in um uh the army war college he's where all of the
02:41:05um senior leadership of the military come and he's and he's been teaching uh basically game
02:41:11ing out in a war with iran i saw over 25. did you see that so good he's amazing now he's gone back
02:41:17on like three times he gives he's given exactly this this is what happens if you decapitate if you take
02:41:23look khomeini i told komeini had a fatwa which is an edict it's basically like the the the uh like
02:41:31the pope came out and and it's like the muslim wanted side yeah that's the by the way that's the
02:41:36problem but also yeah exactly but you can also issue a fatwa as it relates to like an edict like
02:41:42saying this is what we believe for over 20 years these were annually put out of five was saying that
02:41:47they do not believe in nuclear energy as a uh as to be a weapon it was it was religious law from their
02:41:55supreme leader that they would never turn the nuclear energy that they were trying to do into into a bomb
02:42:00okay this is this guy not me talking you know so you're skeptical this guy like bombing his citizens
02:42:07though no he wasn't so he wasn't oh no in iran no that was that was that guy yeah well i mean iran
02:42:13i mean it's like the ayatollah so his son his son however is hanging is always been known to be very
02:42:20close to the irgc the the revolutionary card who are the radicals who are the ones that you know do you
02:42:25have a uh several hundred thousand a strong army which is the irgc he's now in charge because we
02:42:32killed the father and you know what he's all for turn uh building a nuclear bomb so that's who we
02:42:39replaced him from and you don't have to do anything as if you're the all this talk of taking out all
02:42:44their missiles and taking out all it is is like a couple hundred thousand drones that are literally
02:42:49buried in the sand along the strait you know we'll never be able to take them all out and all it takes
02:42:55is one two three to take out an oil tanker because what insurance company is going to insure
02:43:00any of those tankers to go through the stranger for moose so they can keep it as closed as long as they
02:43:05want i mean just before i came on this it was just announced that the deal that he had with them is
02:43:11randy said he's out of his mind what i don't even know what he's talking about what do you think
02:43:14it's gonna have no deal what do you think it's gonna happen i think it stays closed as long
02:43:19as they want to keep it closed and that's what they realized he basically put out a feelers two
02:43:24days ago saying he doesn't even care if there's a nuclear deal he just as long as he can open up
02:43:31this trader removes he's ready to kind of like move on yeah are you worried he's gonna use a nuclear are
02:43:36you worried he's gonna use a nuclear weapon he's gonna get so backed into a corner midterms are coming
02:43:40up he doesn't want to do boots on the ground he knows what what happens with that so like you
02:43:45know that's what people are kind of muttering about is he's gonna like like do a small-scale
02:43:51nuclear just a little one midterm just like i'll just give you a little gentleman's news
02:43:58yeah having the debate like you just not before the midterms maybe after yeah you think after you
02:44:03would do it for real dick flick maybe you can't yeah that's terrifying you really think that because
02:44:07i do think you'd press the button i think that he could uh i i think that he is um
02:44:15he is a um uh he is in my opinion a um malignant narcissist it doesn't mean that you're gonna drop
02:44:26a nuke though what i there's that doctor that that and i don't necessarily agree with this you know like
02:44:33you know he's a psychologist but this guy is you know like harvard trained he in 2015 he went on
02:44:38and he said i've studied donald trump and i and i believe and he's like the foremost expert in in this
02:44:44field and he said i believe that donald trump has exhibits all the behaviors of a very rare
02:44:51diagnosis by the way it's not a sociopath it's not a psychopath it's not just a narcissist a malignant
02:44:55narcissist pull up the the what the traits of a malignant narcissist and i love how i'm running
02:45:02the show now get in there it's good jared yeah yeah but my point is this he said what it will be like
02:45:09if he ever has ever elected president is like an asteroid hitting the united states of america
02:45:14and i really truly believe that that's what it has been like i i whatever you think about january
02:45:206th just go look at the images if that wasn't one of the greatest traumas to this to the body
02:45:26politic in the united states of america i don't know what what was simply by how it divided us in
02:45:32the way in which we saw it with our own eyes yeah but here's the thing with that you don't think the
02:45:37democrats had any role in the division because i feel like they were of course but by the way of
02:45:43course yeah of course obviously there's always another side but here's the one thing that i know
02:45:48there's always been another side there's never been another donald trump he literally has broken
02:45:53us in a way that i have not witnessed any other politician that's able to do but you know what
02:45:58i have to say this i he's gonna he's fucking things up and he's it's going to i don't see any way you
02:46:04know again mr blackpool over here i don't see how this gets better iran knows that they've got him they
02:46:11know he they and if like dude if like some dude blew up my dad my daughter you know like i what
02:46:22what do i who gives a i'm gonna do everything malignant narcissist is not an official mental
02:46:26health diagnosis and diagnostic manuals like the dsm-5 it's an informal term common traits that might
02:46:31be associated with malignant narcissism include grandiosity an exaggerated sense of importance
02:46:35superiority or uniqueness need for admiration strong desire for praise validation and attention lack of
02:46:41empathy difficulty recognizing or caring about other people's feelings or needs manipulativeness sense
02:46:45of entitlement exploitation i think it's just an asshole i think it's just an asshole you know my
02:46:52therapist says i'm the greatest narcissist she's ever worked with really what's that mean i'm just
02:46:57kidding yeah um yeah i i hear on this and again i i'm not a like a trump apologist guy but i this
02:47:04like narcissistic like you know i talked to a doctor and he actually said he's a narcissist it's like
02:47:09no i totally by the way i'm i'm with you i totally agree he's obviously he's nuts for sure he's
02:47:14fucking nuts come on man i mean like he literally sits there and he he he tells us that he just shot
02:47:20a 70. yeah at bedminster and he won for the 40th time because his club championship who do you
02:47:26i don't know really yeah you're the president his dick fell out of his shorts out of the oval office
02:47:31yeah it's kind of wild it's wild man he is and also to the uh the the real i think like i mean and
02:47:39there's been a lot of them but the one that was a real slippage was like the what do you say like
02:47:43uh not al-akbar but he had one yeah yeah when he said um uh uh tweet uh uh yeah praise praise
02:47:49me yeah yeah yeah he's a piece of bomb you in the stone age or whatever yeah he's blowing up children
02:47:59fuck him but you kind of breezed over what matt was saying which is like i don't there's always been
02:48:06another side but i think in this case if you really want to like look at what happened and how this
02:48:11happened yeah you and you do have to look at how absolutely venomous the democrats got how how
02:48:19kamala harris was just suddenly shoved in front of everybody it's kamala pal no i'm not
02:48:30i'm not saying it's kamala god damn it but real leather jacket liberal but you're racist
02:48:36but for sure that yeah that didn't help peter till love embrace that's literally what that's
02:48:44kind of what they did exactly yeah you got it man that's exactly it by the way exactly i swear to god
02:48:51literally but i'm telling you i truly believe that it is he is not like we he is not the symptom of
02:48:57the disease he is the disease and we are all the symptoms look i really mean it so that's just my
02:49:03feeling yeah i don't think that he's solved everything when he is is is is gone from public
02:49:08life yeah but i told you you're right like it's crazy what like what's it like the way in which
02:49:14like the whining and and like oh my god it wasn't it like it drives me it wasn't even that so trump
02:49:20is like an overt like you watch him like yeah i totally get it there was so much quiet kind of
02:49:26manipulative stuff that i would say more liberal leading people would do but they would try to destroy
02:49:30your livelihood they would try to take your job away from you and it was like
02:49:33all patting each other on the back i what i saw especially at brimmar you know i'm probably gonna
02:49:37get sued by them one day but it was it was for real you literally were like in the bastion of i was
02:49:44i was in the graduate school i know but they're they're there they're people's therapists and stuff
02:49:50and they're they were in one thing they were talking about taking people who were you know needed
02:49:55therapy needed help and turning them into political agents as a mode of therapy that would help them
02:50:00and i'm like dude that's sick okay i totally totally but my whole point is my whole point here's what i
02:50:05don't want to do it's like trump is like you know he is some figurehead of some sort of ugliness i think
02:50:10that kind of like you know he's like in very touch with our age you can get rid of him and then if you
02:50:14kind of say like and here's the good guys i'm like i don't know about that okay no look i'm not saying
02:50:19here's the good guys yeah but what i'm saying that's my whole point what i'm saying is is that
02:50:23if you truly believe in a constitutional democracy if you truly believe in the rule of law like i say
02:50:29it all everybody i was asked on another show he's like well don't you think that you getting a pardon
02:50:33was not good for you know um uh you know the country and the like i guess they expect me to answer like
02:50:39no i think it was fine it was awful you think it was awful it's a totally bad i thought you're
02:50:44serious i was like yeah okay if i got pardoned yeah it was sick no by the way i i i don't i
02:50:49wouldn't fall for you for that i have the i have the deepest gratitude in the world for it yeah
02:50:52personally but was it good for the country no yeah no i'd like this you know the the former pardon
02:50:57attorney saying i was really you know this that and the other thing but what what's the alternative
02:51:02what was the alternative can you imagine if i was under the federal bureau of probation right now
02:51:08would my dad be able to write a book and be critical of donald trump if they what would have
02:51:12happened if you hadn't been pardoned and trump got elected well number one is this is it if oh if i had
02:51:19not been pardoned well the case that was the gun case is that i bought a gun and on the form it says
02:51:28are you addicted to a controlled substance okay and you can read that as being like a state of mind
02:51:36in the moment you know and so that's why the supreme court just overturned it and at least as it relates
02:51:43to marijuana users said it's an unconstitutional they'll get to all the other drugs and i believe
02:51:49that it will ultimately all be unconstitutional what i was convicted under now i owned the gun for 11 days
02:51:55it was in a lockbox i never loaded it never fired it somebody had a concern for save my my safety not
02:52:02anybody else's thinking i was going to harm myself through the trash can i self-reported that it was
02:52:06thrown in the trash can police came to collect it they then never gave me back the gun i never asked
02:52:12for the gun back five years later is when they decided to charge me with it right yeah and so
02:52:19every of the other ones is that i got convicted i i pled guilty to not paying my taxes on time okay so in
02:52:272016 and 17 when i was in the midst of my addiction so 17 and 18 um when i was supposed to file i i i
02:52:36basically thought this one front of mind to you what no they weren't front of mind for me and nothing
02:52:40was and i never even filed so when i when i got clean sober i went to go file my taxes and my accountant
02:52:47had died in that period of time i had a new accountant they said you didn't even notice your accountant had
02:52:51died no i did not and yeah and cracks a hell of a drug yeah exactly hell of a drug yeah by the way
02:52:57that's the best okay can we play that can we play the uh uh the rick james okay so it's the gun and
02:53:06then tax stuff and so i had paid my taxes with penalties in interest i haven't found a another
02:53:14case in which somebody who's paid with penalties and interest was criminally charged for failure to
02:53:18that yeah and they said that then i like um i i took deductions that i should not have taken um you know i i i when
02:53:26i went through them you know you know all my all my travel and expenses were you know i i put his
02:53:32business expenses they said well don't travel expenses you were also smoking crack and doing
02:53:36you know blah blah blah right did you ever put crack on the business card no never put cash out of the
02:53:41business card you can't buy i thought i could yeah yeah not most dealers use credit cards but yeah yeah
02:53:48yeah ben mo you know but anyway my point is is this is that if he was president is that
02:53:58what you don't realize is that when you're under um uh when when you're convicted you have no fourth
02:54:04amendment rights once you are charged you uh you relinquish all your fourth amendment rights against
02:54:10search and seizure and um and you there's no you have no fifth amendment anymore you don't have a fourth
02:54:17amendment you don't have the right to um uh you know in any space is open to uh search and seizure by the
02:54:23government so even if i was not in prison at any time that federal agents could could walk into my
02:54:31house without a warrant without any without any uh judicial approval or anything so for instance you
02:54:37don't think that if they wanted to make certain that my dad was not critical of the administration
02:54:41that a ice agent showing up to my my door i mean look what they're willing to do to other people right
02:54:45now and so that was the reason why but was it good for the country no i don't think it was good for
02:54:50the country and to your point there's like do i think that this is all donald trump's fault that
02:54:56that there hasn't been like complete overreach on the part of some people in the democratic party or
02:55:02what do you call leftists or we're liberals or whatever yeah i mean we're we are all including
02:55:08myself culpable the way that we talk to each other but the one thing that i'm not going to do anymore
02:55:14at least for me is this like i'll sit down with whoever the i feel like sitting down and talking
02:55:20about it just like i used to be able to sit down with whoever and it doesn't mean i agree with them
02:55:25i think nick fuentes is out of his mind but you know what i want to learn it for myself
02:55:31sit down and have a discussion what did you what did you learn from sitting down with nick
02:55:36that he doesn't believe half the stuff that he says if he thinks that he he talks about all of
02:55:41it like it's a joke because that's what edgelording was and i also learned from nick fuentes is like a
02:55:46lot of us nick fuentes is frozen in time nick fuentes is still this 18 year old kid that went to
02:55:53northeastern and was a republican and um uh and wore a maga hat and had the same experience that you had
02:56:02at Bryn Mawr but times like 50 is what a bunch of northeastern liberals you know basically shouted at
02:56:10him canceled him told him that he was this and you know what in doing so they created it they created
02:56:16a star and then he was adopted by like the ben shapiro's of the world until he you know decided that
02:56:22he didn't uh they said some negative things about israel and all of a sudden he was canceled by them
02:56:27yeah and so you know what he did he went nuclear and he found an audience for it he found an audience
02:56:33for joking about the holocaust or you know joking about black people or joking about the you know
02:56:39whatever or saying women shouldn't vote he doesn't believe any of that but he does
02:56:45realize that it gives him a a platform by which to talk to people and in doing so what he says if you
02:56:54take the time to listen a lot of it's true all the other stuff is really hurtful and really wrong and
02:57:02really really really really dangerous but there's another piece of it where he says there's a group of
02:57:08people in this country huge part of the population of under the age of 35 that not aren't they aren't
02:57:15just dissatisfied they are angry and they are and and you know what to them it's all become a joke
02:57:23to your point yeah they've all been blackpilled like what do they you know what to what you said like
02:57:31i'm not putting my or maybe you said is like i like i'm not putting my my eggs in zaron mom donnie's
02:57:37basket because all i've been in from my from their perspective is since 2008 like jesus christ if
02:57:45you're 20 if you're 35 years old you know or say you're 30 years old you've gone through 2008
02:57:55where we've never fully recovered from as a country you if if you're a little bit older you
02:58:00watch the you know uh the the the largest income inequality and wealth cap grow and grow and grow
02:58:09without anybody even remotely saying this is how we're going to fix it other than saying oh we're
02:58:14going to tax the billionaires like because if the billionaires aren't going to find another way
02:58:19to you know my point being is that people particularly young people have become so
02:58:28i mean it's not even anger it's the thing that is much more um uh i think insidious and um and that
02:58:36is indifference like indifference to the idea like the checking out of politics they say well what
02:58:45politics politics is all bullshit politicians are all i always say you may not care about politics
02:58:50politics cares about you you know and so i don't know i just think that uh
02:58:58that i can only think of it and maybe i'm my opic in my rage i know i am i mean i really know i am
02:59:05i mean i hate him and that my my grandmother would say like you know like you never say that about it
02:59:11but who do you hate trump oh i hate the way he talks about my dad yeah i hate the way that he is um uh
02:59:18the the way in which he talks about uh uh women i i hate the way in which he um uh is it never can
02:59:25make a joke without i mean you like have you ever heard him make a joke that's not at somebody else's
02:59:30expense that is always about like you know uh uh making someone feel smaller i i i i think that
02:59:39leadership matters and i don't i i know that the president of the united states has the capacity
02:59:45by virtue of the office that they sit in to to to lead and you can either use it for good or you can
02:59:53use it for yourself and he uses it all the time for himself whether it's his political self and whether
03:00:00that may align with a group of uh you know constituents whatever it is it's always for him and i think that
03:00:06that that's a a disease on on the constitution tell us how you really feel yeah you don't think quiet
03:00:16piggy was funny no that was crazy but crazy right it's it's but the problem is the problem i'll be
03:00:23honest the problem is it's so nuts and again if you're a checked out dude and you're like it's it is
03:00:29funny that's what you're right like if anyone else if you were sitting with your brother and they were
03:00:34talking like quiet piggy you'd be like bro you'd be like what the fuck yeah but it's one of those
03:00:40things where you're already and i can attest to this you know i'm 40 but i was pretty by the time i
03:00:45was in like the time i was like graduating college i was like this i'm not getting a job the whole
03:00:50thing's the whole thing's rigged it's evil it's all ruled by people just blowing each other up i want
03:00:55nothing to do with this shit and you watch the news you're like this is all fucking bullshit so i had
03:00:59like checked out when i was like 20 i was like all this stuff so then you got there's so many people
03:01:04watching the news like that who were like i can't ever i'll never buy a house i don't give a
03:01:07fuck probably won't even get married everything sucks i'll be in debt forever yeah and that's the
03:01:11people they see that and they just go huh that's crazy and then they just go about you know their day
03:01:16which is sad that's a sad thing to think about i totally agree yeah when you've ever done five
03:01:20emma dmt oh it's the worst really i hate well i mean i got it out i got in those days you could
03:01:27order it online you're talking about the toad or just regular to the actual yeah it comes from
03:01:31a toad oh yeah i just got this synthetic stuff yeah smoked it in west hollywood i thought i was
03:01:36gonna have you tried it what yeah yeah five emiel did you have you tried this post rehab is this
03:01:42no back in the the days when i was like uh i i was looking for any i mean i've done it all i've done
03:01:48ayahuasca and 500 and i'm i'm a real believer as it relates to certain people and particularly and um
03:01:56but the reason it made me think about it is the this guy chase hughes in the way that he talks
03:02:02about it and he's done these incredible journeys on it and he's done an iv right he's one of the first
03:02:09people ever to do that and um and he's brilliant i mean he's brilliant on the whole just level that uh
03:02:16but this level like of anyway i don't even know why i brought it up well i wouldn't it's the second
03:02:22topic yeah it's a cool topic made me think uh like like there the the when you come to the
03:02:30determination the realization that so much of this is just an illusion you can either choose to um to
03:02:37engage you know in the game like if it's all a game then play the game yeah you know what i mean like
03:02:44like play the game and in from my perspective i've come out this other side you know with this incredible
03:02:50liberation and freedom to do the thing i'm going to play the game and i'm going to play the game first
03:02:55to in the only way i know winning the game is and i know it sounds like pollyannish
03:03:02bullshit but it's purely selfish purely selfish is to be of service to other people and i i know i
03:03:09really do i realize it's that in no way heroic is i've never done anything in my life and by the
03:03:16way i hope i make a shitload of money doing it you know what i mean i'm like i'm not this isn't
03:03:21this is because the only thing that i know that has ever worked is not being stuck in my own head
03:03:32yeah like only doing for me whether literally it's doing for baby beau or whether it's doing for my
03:03:38dad or more than anything doing for melissa my wife but then like the circle widens and the circle
03:03:44widens and so i feel like every day that i get up and if i can just think about that it's like
03:03:51little stuff like asking your waiter what their name is yeah you know how big a deal
03:03:59you know in your day that when somebody recognizes you and you know like so if i can connect
03:04:05on a human level just with you know whether it's the uber driver or the flight attendant on the way
03:04:11home or the tsa agent going through the thing it's like i'm playing the game i don't know i think part
03:04:18of playing the game is is like karen yeah yeah i agree that it's funny because it does whenever it's
03:04:24like said out loud like i just want to be i want to serve others it's one thing to say when you do it
03:04:29it is a pretty profound thing when you're just like not totally thinking about little things yeah yeah
03:04:33well you're an artist matt is a fan of native instruments so to celebrate seven years of
03:04:39sobriety i wanted to get you a little present and this is from one current pipe lover to an ex-pipe
03:04:47lover this is it's a flute it's a native flute is it really yeah you learn how to play it that's amazing
03:05:02another batch that's for you for real yeah that's for you i christened it yep now by the way dude
03:05:11think about this think about the level of double entendre i got a pipe with the mat everyone knows
03:05:21that i used to smoke crack out of a pipe yeah you can't smoke crack out of that but you cannot smoke
03:05:27crack out of that i could exactly no this is beautiful it's keep your ring finger on that
03:05:34third hole and ever you can't really go wrong with it this is truly beautiful yeah thank you you're
03:05:38welcome welcome i appreciate you boys wait wait wait am i going to be able to take this on the plane
03:05:43oh we'll post it we'll mail it to you yeah yeah that's a good call you all rule i appreciate you
03:05:47thank you thanks yeah great hunter biden stopped in tsa with a giant pipe
03:05:56congratulations you made it to the end of a podcast episode without dying now here's another one go on watch it
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