Black Holes, Denny’s Fist Fights, Japanese Handjob Culture & Microplastics - Rabbit Hole #4

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00:00:00speaking of shiny heads yeah tim have you ever been to south korea yes i have okay uh would you
00:00:05like to go back i would yeah well south korean president calls for hair loss treatment to be
00:00:09covered by insurance suggesting that government-funded lux maxing may increase the birth
00:00:14rate his interesting proposal characterizes hair loss as quote a matter of survival
00:00:21how do you feel about that tim i think that is not the right solution to the problem
00:00:26they have they have tried a lot in south korea so i i have spent time there i would love to go
00:00:31back it is a topic that is often very distressful to people living with it there you go how do you
00:00:35feel i i am not distressed because i shaved my head starting with wrestling at like age 12 so i got used
00:00:40to it thankfully but you upped it in as soon as i saw the option to white knuckle or shave my head i
00:00:46decided to shave my head but the i think the stickier part here is actually some systemic issues related
00:00:54to things like rent in south korea because they tried a stimulus of something like two
00:00:58billion dollars to encourage procreation didn't work and when you look at some of the issues in south
00:01:07korea that are not obvious originally because people point to idiocracy like comps where they're like
00:01:13well everybody's waiting later they're getting more educated but in south korea for instance if you
00:01:20want to build a family meaning you're going to need a larger apartment they're very straightforward
00:01:25things that are a problem like your safety deposit for or security deposit for the apartment is like
00:01:3212 months rent and people can't afford it so they're like i can't afford it i can't i can't afford it
00:01:38that's so much so many months rent for it it is and they're like i can't afford it therefore i can't
00:01:43have kids who can who can afford a year of rent if they're renting and i may be getting the months
00:01:47slightly wrong but i talked to some koreans they're like no it's like i want to have a kid
00:01:51and here are the reasons i can't so i don't think fixing hair loss is going to actually solve that
00:01:55type of look tim we're playing in the margins here because we can't get into the housing problem
00:01:59okay and the margins happen to be the top of the head that's what matters most the most interesting
00:02:03explanation i've heard for south korea is k-pop in order to become a k-pop star you have to sign
00:02:09your agreement your artist's agreement says that you're not going to be in a relationship while
00:02:13you're doing it so they have created the most popular cultural export and import i guess or
00:02:19internal stars have no families no kids think about what happens when you do that like it's just
00:02:25so inversion easy as fuck the only way you can become a k-pop star is if you've already got kids
00:02:31that's it that's how that's my solution anyway that's yeah it's also these become they become
00:02:35like fucking dumb role models and now these role models have no kids kids don't need rooms what are
00:02:40we talking about here yeah they can go on the road on the tour bus right with the well there was that
00:02:44guy in georgia so uh to try and fix the country or the state uh the country of georgia uh in an attempt
00:02:50to try and improve the birth rate there it's very religious i think it's very roman catholic and there's
00:02:55a rock star bat uh uh uh preacher guy and he said i will personally baptize the third child of any
00:03:04family in the country all of these families speed run children to get to the third and he's had a
00:03:09meaningful increase in the birth rate because these families wanted this guy that was basically the most
00:03:15popular person on in the entire country to like do the do the thing on the kid so or you could just do
00:03:21what certain billionaires like the ceo of telegram has done and say i will pay for ivf for as many
00:03:28women who would like to have sperm donoring his way to 100 plus yeah he's a 2026 genghis khan
00:03:36yeah he's doing it the nicer way it's weird that most people don't do that you know it's a programmed
00:03:41too it's like you're it's like we're programmed for the instrumental part of it like the sex but like
00:03:46not actually the actual like evolutionary goal is not part of the programming right and if it were it
00:03:52would be insane you'd have every rich person would be sperm sperm donating crazy would be like all these
00:03:57scandals it would be you people with thousands of kids it's more ideas guys than operations guys i guess
00:04:02you know one of the um have you seen the documentary of the guy who had a thousand
00:04:07children no so he started off as a dog the doctor or no i know it's not a doctor this is one of those
00:04:13too if you could search it jared it's this big thick like um dutch looking guy and he started off
00:04:19local sperm donning but i think in the netherlands the limit's 20 and he just started going to different
00:04:24jurisdictions like playing around with it in the netherlands was it not a guy that switched out
00:04:29the sperm for his own there was a doctor it was a doctor it was a doctor so we've got two guys trying
00:04:35to achieve the same thing but very different routes in correct correct and this guy because
00:04:40there's a limit in the netherlands of i think of 20 children that you're allowed to do it because
00:04:43they're then concerned of inbreeding inbreeding that may happen and this guy ranked it all the
00:04:48way up to a thousand and then when he got banned from the netherlands he started going i believe to
00:04:51kenya just to you're really going to stand out in kenya if you're a guy from the netherlands aren't
00:04:56you yeah when the kids when the kids come out you're really going to know that that's not somebody
00:05:00from kenya yes yeah yeah there's a mr beast of everything
00:05:06guy's gonna win you know but like when you have a guy like that you really want him to be
00:05:10have a really really good dna you want to be like high iq and good disposition your formula one
00:05:15drivers to be doing this we need max verstappen to be like because like you're you're having a
00:05:20meaningful effect on like the whole human gene pool when you do that like especially like three or four
00:05:23generations later when there's a hundred thousand of your descendants in the world and they're
00:05:27procreating and what does the future look like if it's the progeny of billionaires plus the hyper
00:05:33religious right like what does that mix look like you look at certain countries and birth rates by kind
00:05:39of subpopulation say in certain places in the middle east and stuff and it's very much the hyper
00:05:45religious right so what does that mean in 20 years time yeah i don't know it's also the really
00:05:50impoverished people who are in an environment where a lot of kids used to die in childbirth but now
00:05:55they don't anymore but the adjustment of of uh you know fertility goes goes takes a lag generation so
00:06:02you have this huge ballooning usually yeah so that's also tim urban i want to know what's on your mind
00:06:07man what have you been what have you been obsessed with i mean we'll get to pianos i'm sure but maybe
00:06:13maybe that's for later after a few toothpicks i i uh i'm i'm very when i'm writing a book i'm just like in it and
00:06:20i'm immersed in it so i've been working on a book for three years it's a story of everything it goes
00:06:24from the big bang to the end of the universe you know i've always wanted to say i think you should
00:06:28be just a little more ambitious you know reach for the brass ring you know it's like secretly kind
00:06:34of not as hard as it seems because you don't have to go that in depth on anything so it's little dips
00:06:40it's like a kind of like 100 blog posts in in one you're like world war ii that was a bummer but it
00:06:44worked out no no no so so for example one sentence no no literally like so sorry sorry japan we'll make
00:06:51it up to you i was like what do i do i have the world wars i can't not mention them but like
00:06:56there's certain things i want to focus on things that people are like i never knew that or like
00:06:59that's so mind-blowing like i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna we're not gonna go deep enough
00:07:03everyone knows the basics of world wars right so i decided instead i'm gonna make it like a
00:07:08two-page story that's gonna be an allegory which is um a brawl at denny's because i used to because
00:07:15i got hooked on youtube spiral of brawls at denny's it's very entertaining and so then i came to my
00:07:20mind i was like hooked on one that week when i was writing this and i was like okay so you've got like
00:07:24um you know you've got uh a bunch of tension in the room and then finally like you know austria
00:07:29hungary goes over and just like you know slaps serbia guy in the face and then and then you
00:07:33know a bunch of you know then you have russia and france kind of all like you know these big
00:07:37guys who are friends with the serbia you got you know i just i just did this and and i don't know
00:07:42i don't a lot of times i'm like we i don't know if that's good i don't know if people will like this
00:07:46that's what i just did i guess that's how we're doing the world wars and then i move on because i
00:07:49had to move on allegory of denny's yeah because everything i have to think about how do i get this
00:07:54in there in a way that's still fun and new and different i don't want i don't want you to
00:07:58feel like you're reading a textbook or an encyclopedia i would love one sentence historical event
00:08:03recaps i think that would be a wonderful just like a fortune cookie
00:08:07history yeah because uh barstool sports dave portnow does the one bite pizza review
00:08:11and this is just the historical equivalent it's like the elton john uh diary entry
00:08:15oh oh i think it's oh it's bought a rose i mean you thought you taught me about this it's
00:08:21the single it's a single grade that or the huntress thompson one which like
00:08:25tracked but i guess that wasn't a diary entry that tracked what his daily routine was
00:08:29i woke up at 12 midday two cigarettes cocaine whiskey cocaine whiskey mvma um but yeah here it is
00:08:39got up tidied the house bought a rolls-royce had dinner wrote candle in the wind had dinner with
00:08:45ringo star that was one day
00:08:50bought a rolls-royce broke candle in the wind had dinner with ring i wonder if tidying the house was
00:08:55meaningful to him was that like soothing therapy or was that just buying time before he could justify
00:09:01walking to the rolls-royce dealership opened i will never know it's also two dinners in there
00:09:08yeah i think one of those is an arrow i think the middle dinner didn't exist we also use lunch and
00:09:12dinner we use lunch and dinner interchangeably in the uk it's very dinner or supper or something right
00:09:17you can throw that you can throw tea in the mix as well tim yeah okay afters is also not bad yeah
00:09:22afters is dessert completely completely gets mixed up i i had to try the also i had to get it's like
00:09:29speaking in one sentence i had to get from you know because i'm going i i did like ancient mesopotamia
00:09:34pretty thoroughly because that's so like important um and like you know the first empire which was the
00:09:39akkadians you have sargon the great the first emperor and i did all that and then i'm like
00:09:42now i want to get to like the bronze age collapse and that stuff but there's a thousand years in
00:09:46between so i decided again i'm like what do i do so i just wrote a so i'm going to do this in one
00:09:51sentence and it ended up being a paragraph a pretty long it had probably be a full page but it's a one
00:09:56run-on sentence that goes through 2200 bc to 1200 bc so you got you know it's a really speed run it
00:10:04well but not usually sometimes then i would slow down and you know spend 20 pages on you know the
00:10:08bronze age collapse or whatever but like um but like yeah i think i think one sentence on rome
00:10:14you did you did rome in a single sentence no rome rome rome is later separate treatment okay yeah
00:10:19rome i had to say a little bit more about but um uh but you know you're not going to go through the
00:10:24whole how did you choose this book project because so i write blog posts about anything and it's a great
00:10:29format now just so people understand what we're talking about because i have more context than
00:10:33some people listening how long are some of your blog posts so the the short ones are like 3 000
00:10:38words which is like i don't know i don't know 10 10 minutes yeah something like that um and then
00:10:44early on i was like i can't go over you know 2 000 words and i was like okay i can't go over
00:10:473 000 4 000 and then it just kept going up and then i did one that was like 8 000 but like it got some
00:10:51traffic and i was like people liked it okay and then the next one and then so i just had a problem
00:10:55where it was like one of these uh you know it's like someone who keeps taking like you know more
00:10:59drugs to get the same high like so i would just start like then getting more thorough and more
00:11:03thorough and by the end i was writing 40 000 word that's would count and that's that's a book for
00:11:07yeah like 50 000 words is a it's like a hundred and twenty hundred fifty pages something like that
00:11:12um and but but but so i had this format where i can write any length blog post so i'm like why
00:11:16would i do a book i'm right right i have a and then i was like okay if i'm doing a book it has
00:11:20to be a topic that i could never do as a blog post like what's the ultimate topic that like
00:11:24is so big it has to be history of everything so the answer is everything as a topic now i i'm just
00:11:29going to pat your back a little bit because i know you're not going to do it yourself one of your
00:11:34longer posts is it fair to say i hesitate to even call it a post but man of the hour right
00:11:41spacex is on a lot of minds i checked today it's like 2.5 trillion market cap right now so elon
00:11:48liked your stuff so much that he gave you exclusive access to what yeah so um he read my ai
00:11:53post and was like hey i like how this circle when this is 2015 beginning of 2015. 2015.
00:11:59so this is really early days with ai and with elon really yeah i mean a lot of he was very he was
00:12:03a huge deal but a lot of people i told in my life they didn't know who he was at that time yeah
00:12:07and spacex was some people knew about it some people didn't um and uh and basically he said
00:12:15you know how he is he's very like uh he likes to trust people and not and be hands off in a lot of
00:12:22those cases so he would say he said um would you like to write about tesla or spacex ever normally
00:12:27if someone's like you want to write about my company i would say no but like tesla and spacex
00:12:30are as fascinating as any blog post could be because they're about such bigger things than a
00:12:35company right also with the access that you could get so then he basically said you can talk to me
00:12:39as much as you want and also any engineer you want and they don't have to be media ready but
00:12:42and i said because i said to him like and then on my side i was like i'll i'm not like a journalist
00:12:47who's like you can't change anything i'm like i'll send you the post at the end and if there's
00:12:52something like some proprietary thing someone said that's not supposed to be in there you can take it
00:12:55out and they really almost took nothing out it was like it was like the the uh the cost of like a
00:13:00starlink set starlink was an idea at that time it was like they caught you know little things like
00:13:03like the bandwidth of a starlink satellite things like random numbers there were like two or three of
00:13:07those you can't put that in um elon had like criticized someone that later they were like yeah we don't want that in
00:13:14there's like okay i'll take that out other than that like they left the let it go and it was obviously
00:13:18i'm like a space network to be in spacex you know the factory in um in hawthorne and just looking at
00:13:25the rocket up close i got to like sit and drag in and like talk to this is 2015 2015. so they had never
00:13:32landed a rocket yet that was the big thing at the time no one has ever landed a rocket spacex is trying
00:13:36to people think they're crazy um and i actually i did one of these because they started broadcasting
00:13:41their launches and i did the very you know it was like one of the very first ones they were like you
00:13:46want to do one when we're trying to land a rocket i was like sure so i was like a guest broadcaster on
00:13:49the time when they landed for the first time so like the the seven-year-old in me was like i can't
00:13:54believe this is real it was like this it was very exciting for me um and then later i wrote a big big
00:14:00post about neuralink which they launched the company alongside that post so it was like and then and then
00:14:05the scariest thing ever was the whole company now is kind of waiting on me and i'm a procrastinator
00:14:11with neuralink yeah and like we're talking about how my posts always go longer they thought it was
00:14:15going to be like a 6 000 word post this one was 40. and uh elon by the way i think this chill he was
00:14:20like it's so long bro and i was like this is how i am dude this is how i don't know what to tell
00:14:23you this i can't not do it there's so many i can't talk about neural without talking about
00:14:27other brain computer interface i can't talk about those and then i have to talk about evolution and then i
00:14:31just talk about the brain brain the nervous system how did it evolve in the first place you go we end
00:14:35up back in like the most ancient part of like origin of life um but that's how i do it and and it was
00:14:40such a complicated story to tell because it was the concept of a brain computer interface but then the
00:14:44reason for which was like merging with ai and what the hell so it was long but he sends out a a tweet
00:14:51that was like uh like uh we'll be launching in a week you know wait but why post will be ready like
00:14:56in a week and i was like no it won't so scary so i ended up um i ended up like furiously trying to
00:15:05finish and it finished in three weeks and i was like talk about like good external pressure it's
00:15:10helpful to have like elon musk publicly putting pressure on you so that was that uh but yeah and
00:15:17it's just great because you get to like by writing that post you end up just fully understanding like
00:15:23a whole industry you didn't understand before right so it was it was fun so amazing yeah yeah
00:15:27their blog posts and then their blog posts right right but yeah so that's why a book had to be
00:15:32something even bigger than something like that you've got the uh most watched ted talk of all time as
00:15:37well second most oh who beat you ken robinson well he was the first one posted like back in 20 2006.
00:15:44mine was 2016 so he's got a decade on me but i'm like i think he has like 80 million and i have
00:15:49like 78 and i'm like okay come on man like just get to first put some paid behind it just put some
00:15:54paid advertising behind it to just i don't think that'll i don't think that i think it's all you
00:15:57could rip make it rip in bangladesh yeah you get that yeah yeah you got one of those watch yeah
00:16:06maybe for your kindle version of your book or all your books you just have it's almost like signing
00:16:11up for wi-fi at the airport like you have to watch an ad but in this case they have to watch your ted
00:16:14time 30 seconds just enough just enough to trigger a play that's all i mean with the new book let's say
00:16:20history is kind of like a stock market and everything's priced i feel like world war ii
00:16:24is very much um it's like apple right now right like people talk about world war ii what parts
00:16:29of history from your research do you think is like way more fascinating than people give it credit oh my
00:16:35god so i mean almost everything i mean everything once you dig in you just i mean i was just writing
00:16:42about the black hole era do you know what that is like uh it's i i'm gonna get like i might like
00:16:48have an existential crisis if i talk about this but so basically there's the the star era goes on for
00:16:53like a hundred trillion years or something like that so that the last stars will be born around 100
00:16:57trillion years from now and then like 20 trillion years later the last stars are gone and we're in
00:17:00the degenerate era and there's just nothing except for little white drawers and then that ends
00:17:04and all that's left is black holes and so how long is the black hole era because the black holes decay
00:17:09really really slowly really slowly but then some of them bring me huge but there'll be a point at some
00:17:14point in the last black hole it's hulking radiation right hawking radiation exactly it's like the tiniest
00:17:19little right around the edge the antimatter you know whatever um so i was like how do i explain how
00:17:25long this is it's 10 to the 106 years okay so what how do you what does that mean how do you put that
00:17:29into context and the way i thought about it is okay imagine if we make a timeline where every centimeter is
00:17:36a billion years so so far so this is this is how long we've gone big bang today right and this is
00:17:4013 centimeters and now i was like so how long would this timeline have to be to to get all the way to
00:17:46the end of the black hole era and i said okay well let's just actually get i want to always want to
00:17:50like actually do the calculation so i was like let's imagine this is a ribbon with a half a millimeter
00:17:54thickness and it's one centimeter wide and then every centimeter of it is of length is a billion years so how
00:18:01long would it have to be turns out you'd have to if you could pack like okay if you imagine you patched
00:18:08this room tightly with ribbon so it's just like this block hard rock yeah of ribbon just packed as much
00:18:15as you possibly could in you know every centimeter is a billion years okay would that be enough time
00:18:20no you'd have to pack the entire observable universe to the brim with ribbon and that would get you
00:18:26nowhere close you'd have to have packs and the final number i came to is 1.4 billion observable
00:18:31universes with this this ribbon to have by the end of the last universe to get to the end of the
00:18:37ribbon that's the end of the black hole era so there's like that that i just i'm going to put a
00:18:41wrinkle into it because after that you still have quantum fluctuations oh yeah oh no the dark
00:18:45and that goes on that goes on for even longer so the five the five stages of the five ages of the
00:18:50universe sorry book from 1996 goes through this they had to come up with their own numbering
00:18:54convention to be able to name it they didn't use ribbon yours is much more inventive that's just
00:18:58way more nerdy the dark era which just comes after the observable universe sorry it's after the black
00:19:02hole era is way more upsetting because now imagine you have an entire you wrote a book that that
00:19:09contains the history of the universe right and every page is an equal amount of time you could pack and
00:19:14it's like something like 16 of these so a trillion times a trillion times a trillion times a trillion
00:19:18observable universes but 16 trillions um to the brim with pages and the from the big bang to the end of
00:19:26the black hole era that whole thing with the ribbon i just talked about is not even the first proton in
00:19:31the first atom of the first letter of the first word of the first page of the first book so i get upset
00:19:37about this this is the kind of thing that when i think about then i'm like in bed and i literally can't
00:19:41sleep and i'm tossing and turning and the next day my wife is like why are you so tired and i'm like
00:19:46it's too like embarrassing to explain but like i i i'm having an existential crisis about how long
00:19:50the universe is gonna last here but that amount of time will pass and that is weird like no one
00:19:57should want eternal life there's a an interesting theory about super advanced alien civilizations
00:20:03shutting down because toward the end of that era you end up with an unbelievably cold universe one
00:20:08that's significantly colder than ours now now it's not much but on the margins this makes a big difference
00:20:12because almost all energy usage blows off heat and if you were doing simulations ancestor simulations
00:20:18future simulations if you had if you'd gone into the metaverse and decided to make this your new place
00:20:23it's way more efficient to do this the later that we go so i'm gonna guess that you came across this too
00:20:28it's one of the explanations for the fermi paradox which is the paradox that asks why have we not seen
00:20:32aliens when there's should be lots of them out there we should see something there should be some that
00:20:36are far more advanced than us so they should really be noticeable out there building dyson spheres and
00:20:40stuff and there's many explanations one of them is they're all hibernating because they've all figured
00:20:46this out and they're going on this thing that will feel like a second to them but they're just going
00:20:50to go past a few i don't know whatever it is a hundred few hundred billion years and we're just in
00:20:54this era where it doesn't make sense for an advanced species to be conscious so they just are all
00:20:59hibernating it's like waiting for the ventilation guy to come and fit the ac before installing a new
00:21:03computer town that's why it's like it's gonna wait it's too hot it's gonna make the apartment too too
00:21:07hot we just go chill let's go play pickleball for a while he'll come in in a bit and then once we
00:21:11once he's done it'll just be like a blink okay we're here now let's keep going but to us we're just
00:21:15like it's empty no one's here yeah fucking wild it's really cool dude i got obsessed with that and
00:21:20supervoids the buettos supervoid now that if you want another another yes another crisis yeah it's
00:21:26like a so you should have a relatively uniform universe right a cosmic microwave background but
00:21:32you don't you have little fluctuations this even within little fluctuations it should still broadly
00:21:38be pretty uniform but it's not there's these huge things called supervoids that are like millions of
00:21:44light years some of them are the biggest ones are a billion light years across buettos one might be a
00:21:48billion light years a few billion light years across and it's almost entirely bereft of material for
00:21:54billions and billions of light years it's insane it's so fucking there are some theories that even
00:21:59we are in somewhat of a void potentially like that they're that that we're in a very uncrowded part of
00:22:05the observable universe perhaps um it's unclear but and of course by the way there's everything we're
00:22:10talking about the voids we see everything that's all within the observable universe which might be
00:22:13like a grain of sand compared to the earth size full universe like this is just what we can see and
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00:23:32slash modern wisdom and modern wisdom at checkout have you ever watched power of 10 of course yeah yeah
00:23:39yeah have you watched power of 10 maybe jared you can get it on the screen on youtube but it's
00:23:44because as you give me that kind of conversation there i start zooming out of myself and i realize
00:23:49oh like i am essentially nothing and the power of 10 it starts with people in a park and it just zooms
00:23:56out by the power of 10 i think every three seconds so it goes from them in the park like zoomed in on
00:24:01their face to above to above to above and you realize how quickly it goes all the way out to the
00:24:07earth just essentially being nothing but then what's the most fascinating part of this video is
00:24:11they then zoom in so then zooms in all the way yeah it's that top one there this is the nearest
00:24:16i found doing any psychedelic drugs without having to ingest anything this is a staple of american
00:24:22schools we watch this this was in are you serious oh yeah i never saw this is how you ended up like
00:24:28how you ended up because this is no this made a huge impression on me 10 times as wide our picture
00:24:33will center on the picnickers even after they've been lost to sight 100 meters nice that basically
00:24:39this is making those picnickers the center of the universe yeah that's pretty fun power boats lie at
00:24:44their docks then this must have been difficult to do without uh this square much computer
00:24:48technology i know i'm impressed the distance a racing car can travel in dude fire up the autism
00:24:54engine this is great it's actually a beautiful uh like meditation technique to sit there and do this
00:24:59and then start realizing how many other people out there have their own thoughts we see first the
00:25:03rounded end of lake michigan this is something that um i don't know if you guys recognize this name so ed
00:25:09cook who was a memory competitive memory champion he's he's from your motherland he's a brit and then
00:25:19he trained i think it was jonah lair in a book called moonwalking with einstein so he took a lay
00:25:25person in this case journalist and trained him up to be memory champion in the u.s where they have to
00:25:30memorize a shuffle deck of cards for time and things like this there are various events kind of like a mental
00:25:36decathlon but as a meditative tool he does this zooming right and there's also a really this is
00:25:44like the brit roll call here but i think oliver berkman is also one of your countrymen wrote a great
00:25:49book called four thousand weeks which is tremendous and one of the chapters is called cosmic insignificance
00:25:55therapy and it's some version of this but that is partially why i want to ask you like to what extent
00:26:02do you find it helpful to think about this stuff where perhaps it puts problems in perspective versus
00:26:09overwhelming and it's magnificent magnification of your insignificance there's a great cartoon i think
00:26:16it's by asher polman and it's a guy saying not only are your problems insignificant you're insignificant in
00:26:22the grand scheme of the universe so it's like this guy who's dealing with like nihilism and then it's
00:26:25like the reframe is you also don't matter in in the whole universe as well yeah so you can't have that
00:26:30effect that happens to people yeah so i'm curious for you personally um i i i think it does make me feel
00:26:40kind of cozy in a way like i i think it makes me feel better because it makes me feel just like
00:26:48lucky to be conscious here for a second as opposed to thinking like this is the baseline and oh my god
00:26:53i'm gonna like die and that's gonna i'm like it's so cool that i that for a moment in this universe like
00:26:59my consciousness formed so improbable right yeah and like this tiny little also so again we just
00:27:04talked about time is really scary space is really right crazy and like you said then goes down to the
00:27:09small and like it gets even smaller than it does big and that's cool i'm like a you know a feinman has
00:27:15this great quote like you know i a universe of atoms an atom in the universe and it's like both of
00:27:21those right and it's like uh it does just make me feel like very lucky to be here and then that then
00:27:27then it feels like i'm playing with house money a little bit and then like suddenly debt doesn't
00:27:30i'm like whatever man it's like i'm this is so cool look at the and just like i don't know one you
00:27:34know i i i i i i'm tickled by these thoughts i find it like endlessly i get the dopamine hits i get from
00:27:40them so to me it just uh it's a it's usually a positive um i don't like reading about like
00:27:46the rise and fall of empires you know there's other parts of the book that i'm like that's not a nice
00:27:50thought because a lot of these empires a bit close to home at their peak they were really sure or even
00:27:54on the way up or even on the early way down they were just they were this is it we finally are here
00:27:59in the modern times and we figured it out and like those empires of the past like they made mistakes
00:28:04that we won't make and every single one they're at a catastrophic fall i don't like that um yeah well
00:28:10i was was joking with chris when we did an episode recently that as i think we spoke about this as
00:28:14well that as every empire falls nobody announces that the empire has fallen so it's obviously up for
00:28:21debate but rome uh most mainstream historians will say that rome fell in about 476 a.d and it's almost
00:28:28because it's quite poetic because you have romulus saw the rise of the roman empire he was the first
00:28:33roman emperor and then young romulus was disposed and that was the end of the roman empire but the
00:28:39next day there was no big announcement that the roman empire had fallen so much so it goes you
00:28:43obviously have the split of the roman empire um i think in the 700s a.d charlemagne is announced as
00:28:49the official roman emperor so 300 years later it was still going on voltaire said the empire that
00:28:56calls it calls itself holy roman and empire is neither holy nor roman nor an empire he said that
00:29:03in 1700 a.d so the actual when it came to everybody deciding the roman empire had fallen but it was
00:29:08officially announced i think by francis ii it was the mid 1700s so i joke that the most powerful empire
00:29:15today when it falls there'll be people that still think it's gone or maybe people in 3000 will be
00:29:22like well of course the us empire collapsed in 1994. yes uh ad and we'll be like huh what it's like a
00:29:28punch drunk boxer that can't admit that he's failing yeah dude your career's over it's time to go me and
00:29:34chris can confirm that there was no moment that it's certainly our live times that the bbc announced
00:29:39the british empire had fallen it's like when did it happen it happened but when did it happen yeah
00:29:44uh speaking of stuff that you learned in school have you seen the retro codex have you seen this
00:29:50really really cool website so it's a website that teaches you things that you learned in school
00:29:56that are now disproven so you can go in and look at what year you graduated high school
00:30:02and it'll tell you what you learned in school and have now been disproven jared can you pull this
00:30:08up for me so um i put this in as 2000s which would be for me and george uh lightning never strikes the
00:30:14same place twice uh lightning has struck several places multiple times empire state building is struck
00:30:19approximately 25 times a year uh wearing red near a bull will cause it to charge bulls may not be
00:30:24able to distinguish the color red from other colors what triggers the bull is movement and physical
00:30:28provocation not color the red cape is to conceal blood stains uh goldfish have a three second memory
00:30:34goldfish retain memories for weeks months and possibly years george washington had wooden teeth he did
00:30:38wear dentures but they were made of other materials such as tin gold and lead human teeth from
00:30:42enslaved individuals it's a bit gnarly uh need to wait 20 to 30 minutes after you eat to swim or you'll
00:30:48get stomach cramps and drown there's no clinical evidence for that there's another one go a bit
00:30:52further down oh i see oh if you roll your eyes and folk wisdom checked on the top left i was like
00:30:58i don't recall getting uh if you go down a bit more if you pee in the pool everyone will know
00:31:02because it'll turn water green hot water washing hands is not good in cold water yeah right there
00:31:08interesting i'm learning a few things water temperature has not been found to impact the
00:31:11antibacterial efficacy of hand washing i didn't even know that after a person dies their hair or
00:31:17fingernails can keep growing who who thinks earth is the only planet with water i don't know about that
00:31:22but in the 2000s might you have thought that because pluto being a planet would have been true when we
00:31:27went to high school yeah yeah yeah true uh brown sugar is healthier than white sugar yeah i just
00:31:31like it's it's nice to find then obviously all of this stuff with the food pyramid that's got turned
00:31:35literally upside down so some of these will end up being overturned too but yeah um oh for sure i
00:31:42think when i was thinking about you know the way kids are educated i think that schools do something
00:31:46that i think in some cases it likes they at least they traditionally that is that is maybe the right
00:31:50thing to do which is you teach the wrong story the simple wrong story first just to like
00:31:57let the concepts and then later you start to build the nuance and you realize that the
00:32:00but that's a kind of like like thanksgiving i think it's i i think it's i learned early on that
00:32:06thanksgiving was this like wonderful thing and the pilgrims came and the the indians at the time the
00:32:10indians were like everyone was happy and they had this nice feast and uh or you know just like
00:32:16columbus discovered the new world but like no he didn't but like and just like keep it um let let
00:32:21the basic stories seep in and then later you can be like actually like this is like an allegory kind of
00:32:27for uh that that represents like a much larger more complicated much nastier story often and i
00:32:31think sometimes right now what they're doing is they're you know out of kind of i don't know you
00:32:36know kind of political reasons or whatever they're they're teaching kind of very very like you know
00:32:44kind of a hardcore first story to really young kids right away that um they're front-loading the
00:32:48nollie version yeah exactly and maybe going too far even in that direction um when uh like i think i
00:32:55i mean i this is a whole other can of worms but i think that maybe i want to put the disguise but
00:33:00like i i know i think that um i do think american children should be taught first all these great
00:33:09things about america they should learn that they're in this great country that's has complicated that
00:33:13has not been perfect but they've done a lot of great things um and it's this wonderful thing and
00:33:17patriotism and be really proud and then later later then you can learn a lot more nuance or it's the same
00:33:23reason that i think you shouldn't be teaching your kid you know that like you think your dad's a good
00:33:27person but you know he cheated when in his 20s like you know that he like did you know he got fired
00:33:32like you don't do that you start with that that's great of course then later in life and the kid's
00:33:36an adult you start i don't know this is partisan controversy anymore you start to then say uh you
00:33:40know dad uh you know dad can say to you you know yeah i'm not perfect i did this and this but like
00:33:45yeah you don't need to front load our kids and like it's a very different kind of person to teach
00:33:49well also because i mean i remember talking to a very close friend of mine who's got a bunch of kids
00:33:55wonderful guy very successful in what he does and i asked him what his parenting advice would be
00:34:00and his first rule was you need to teach your kids to be optimists because action flows from optimism
00:34:08and agency flows from optimism right and so what you're describing sort of creates a picture that you
00:34:14don't want to aspire to engage with and seems antithetical to that you're like two you know
00:34:19second third fourth graders just hammer climate change climate change your future is destroyed
00:34:23like what why who thinks this is a good idea right take little little kids well and then the older
00:34:28generations are like oh my god these younger generations so apathetic i'm like yeah you're
00:34:31getting waterboarded with existential threat all day yeah you would be too i guess it makes sense that
00:34:37the younger you are the more neuroplastic you are right and even like statements like that are quite
00:34:41reflexive so if if you go on if i go on the news tomorrow and say it's it's going to be a sunny day
00:34:48i have no impact on whether it's going to be a sunny day but a reflexive system is if i go on the news
00:34:54tomorrow and say there's going to be a bank run i have an impact on whether there's going to be a
00:34:58bank run and if you go in thinking america's a terrible country that's going to be quite a reflexive
00:35:04thing for your entire youth i mean it's quite funny listening to him not that you were complaining to him
00:35:08but an american talk about the lack of patriotism in their country it's two brits next yeah it's kind
00:35:14of like chris talking to me about like how he's frustrated with the size of his forearms right
00:35:17now you know what i mean like i'm like okay okay i understand but uh yeah i think it's interesting
00:35:23for america to be going through that when you're still by far the tallest midget in the room right
00:35:27totally and and by the way there's so much british history to be proud of oh don't get me started
00:35:32this negative lens don't get me started tim i i declare i said this to chris previously like we are
00:35:38the most insecure in terms of internal reputation versus external so if you travel anywhere else in
00:35:45the world apart from a few places they often like love the uk um but internally they often criticize
00:35:52themselves the most i'll never forget a friend of mine um uh came uh his sister came home one day and she
00:35:58said you know what she goes britain is the racist country on earth and he paused for a second and he
00:36:05just said compared to where she couldn't answer it's that line about capitalism it's the worst system
00:36:12apart from all of the other ones it's just a crazy distortion lens and it's so self-defeating and it's
00:36:18like this crazy yeah jack butch has got this great line he says unlearning is a hundred times harder
00:36:23than learning and if you're laying down those myelin sheaths and some kids who's five years old six
00:36:31seven i don't know when you start to understand what climate is and what power structures look like
00:36:36but yeah you're probably best starting off with generalized optimism and getting into specific
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00:37:46about now the uh uk it looks like i don't know whether this is actually going to happen the uk is
00:37:51proposing a social media ban for under 16s the same as australia's had and i haven't seen much of the
00:37:56fallout of this i steered clear of x for the last couple of days but i i really struggled to see how this
00:38:03is a bad thing to steal man the other side before you even get onto the 16 year old is also a you
00:38:08have to use identification now to use social media for anybody over the age as well is that a bad idea
00:38:14it's an interesting discussion everybody's okay with it everyone's got a concern about digital
00:38:19safety i i i understand that but why have you abstained for the last few days from x
00:38:26busy okay okay i was like what was the catalyzing event it wasn't a choice it was literally just
00:38:32busy yeah uh touching grass yes we're trying to make it that's really trying to i was looking at
00:38:37photos of grass on x actually it was it was better it was too busy doom scrolling on tick tock was the
00:38:42actual thing yeah a few bugs yeah uh but the australia thing um you're right what i you're such a
00:38:50fucking techno optimist carry on what come on no don't interrupt don't interrupt stop interrupting
00:38:56my interruption winston churchill once said to randolph uh churchill's son dinner the best thing
00:39:00ever which is like can you stop interrupting my interruption go on you go you go for it i just don't
00:39:07understand what the what the counter argument is i don't understand what it's such anchoring bias
00:39:12because we develop the technology before we put the guardrails around it and i think if you were to
00:39:17invent it today having known the impact of social media if it had been worked inside of a faraday cage
00:39:24lab for a long time to look at what the impacts are it would be like releasing cigarettes into the
00:39:29world knowing the impact of them i'm something i imagine that kids were able to smoke 70 years ago
00:39:35or something i don't know whether there was ever an age restriction on smoking i imagine the same would
00:39:39be for alcohol and you start to tick this up over time the uk has introduced that uh lagging law for
00:39:45vapes now so i think anybody born like after 2010 will never be able to smoke and the age just keeps
00:39:53tracking up so it's if you were born what 2006 or earlier you're allowed to and it's never going to
00:40:01change it's you're never going to be able to smoke that's just their attempt at you didn't learn to
00:40:06do it in the first instance therefore we're gonna you're never going to need to do it in the future
00:40:09but yeah i mean i i i'm i'm in support of this i'm interested to hear what criticisms push back
00:40:15against it are but i don't see any reason why it's a bad idea to put under 16s put a ban on the smart
00:40:21ones that want to start a business and really need to learn the internet are going to be able to get
00:40:24around it they can still be entrepreneurial and the ones that don't i don't think they're going to miss
00:40:28out on much what do you guys think in terms of age verification and is there an identification is
00:40:34there an is there an issue stopping kids under 16 from going on social media would you be in support
00:40:38of it i would be in support of curtailing or forbidding it for sure 100 100 yeah i mean
00:40:44spending time with jonathan height and so on i i just think the evidence is so compelling
00:40:50yeah i would i would for sure i wonder how much of an impact he's had
00:40:54he has just jonathan height he has a guy he's had an impact with his small team on a with state by
00:41:01state legislation changes they've been very effective for uh for a small crack team of researchers and
00:41:07people he also before i mean i in my last book was about political polarization and wokeness and all of
00:41:12this and he was you know the chapters ranged from kind of like evolutionary psychology to his you know
00:41:19political history to kind of modern current stuff and i had different kind of gurus for each chapter
00:41:25that were different thinkers that i would like you know be sourcing from and he's the only one who was
00:41:30who was one of those people in every chapter yeah um he's kind of a you know i i don't agree with
00:41:35everything he says um he's a he's a giant um and this is before any of the antics you ever met him
00:41:41yeah yeah he's an actual giant no no yeah he's very tall oh he is yeah oh i don't know he sat down
00:41:47he's tall compared to us but he's not that's all yeah but he yeah for people you mentioned anxious
00:41:52generation yeah happiness right just mine last name yeah h-a-i-d-t and happiness hypothesis is
00:41:59one of my favorite books of all time he's also just such a coddling of the american such a sweet
00:42:03sincere guy yeah also i think if you're going to talk about stuff like that you get the potential for
00:42:10you to be right coded if you want to be effective you need to signal a lot of um uh placid peaceful
00:42:18empathetic understanding both sidesy energy because if you even begin to lean right and center
00:42:25it immediately looks like so my friend and i argue about this because i have a friend who's very
00:42:29conservative um and he's very smart he changes my mind about things sometimes sometimes he's over the
00:42:35top but he the he the he the people he can't stand the most are kind of jonathan hight coleman hughes
00:42:42these people who agree with who are who are you know i argue to him these people are fighting the
00:42:46causes you care about but they're doing it way more effectively than you would because they're actually
00:42:51reaching center-left people um and and and if you start immediately being like you know super tribal and
00:42:56super right-coded um you'll never reach any of them and he just sees them as such he calls them media
00:43:01kiss ups you know these people just they still want to be you know they they they need to uh
00:43:06they always need to make sure that like that the polite society approves of them and i i totally
00:43:10disagree with him because i think that john height is unbelievable has an unbelievable impact against
00:43:14those kind of over-the-top-left causes that he really doesn't like more effective yeah i don't yeah
00:43:20and i don't even view it it's not a partisan issue right i mean i would just because jonathan's so
00:43:25terrible at asking for money i would say as someone who plays with scientific funding and stuff like
00:43:31that if people are looking for ways to kind of bend the arc of history and undo some of the wrongs and
00:43:36ills of social media and so on i think funding some of what jonathan is up to with very small
00:43:43sums of money has a hugely disproportionate impact just coming back to your what has he done with his
00:43:48small team i just wanted to throw that out there the ripple effects of being able to genuinely you know
00:43:53push the needle with changing policy with kids and social media is one of the biggest impacts you
00:43:58could make i think on the planet right now for you won't you won't even know the effects of it but 30
00:44:03years from now i mean yeah yeah sim what have you brought from home you've got a bag it's look yeah
00:44:07i brought i've just done this conversation down a little bit i brought a bunch of show and tell items
00:44:12adult show and tell i like it fire up the autism engine
00:44:18so let's see i'll i'll start i'll start with a little engine that's yes i'll start with this so
00:44:24this is called bite okay and the subtitle is pretty simple now it's 124 bits but it's bits as in little
00:44:33pieces of what look like candy mouthwash bits and this was recommended to me by dr tommy wood he's a
00:44:40neuroscientist also a beast of an athlete but a very credible scientist very well published and he and i
00:44:47were having a conversation about different approaches for neuroprotection hopefully mitigating the risk of
00:44:54neurodegenerative disease and oral health is a really big one and yes you can brush your teeth
00:44:59yes you can use like a water pick or something like that but xylitol is really really compelling as an
00:45:06intervention so you could choose xylitol gum you could do this that and the other thing but i found
00:45:11ultimately everything i read so compelling that i started using these which he recommended and
00:45:17these are really simple you just well you're going to need water if you chew on it so you basically for
00:45:22travel but also at home rather than having mouthwash you take one of these i'll show what they look like
00:45:28i mean literally just looks like a little piece of candy or like an aspirin and we have water here
00:45:32well i'm going to spit it out you can't swallow it so or you probably shouldn't swallow it so you just
00:45:37you chew on it take like a couple tablespoons water in your mouth swish it around for 30 60 seconds then
00:45:43spit it out and that's it and you just do that better than normal mouthwash because of the xylitol
00:45:48content along with a couple of other things so for sort of antibacterial effects and i know people i'm not
00:45:55going to mention this person by name but md phd who had cavities started using xylitol twice a day
00:46:02and went back to the doctor or the dentist rather no cavities it's like it's pretty interesting that's
00:46:08end of one of course i don't know what's out there in the literature with respect to that
00:46:11but found it interesting enough and it's so lightweight as an intervention that i was like okay
00:46:16i will i will start doing that okay and anything that you can kind of just like have on your desk
00:46:23and just like pop one in and you know while you're is you'll do a lot more yeah i mean my compliance
00:46:28with this also with the amount of travel that i do is it tastes good it's really yeah yeah yeah just
00:46:33tastes like kind of like candy a friend of mine wanted me to get into organ meat and i'm like i'm
00:46:36not i'm not going to grind organ meat into my smoothie i'm sorry he does this that sounds
00:46:40gross and then he got me these these pills uh oh man desiccated liver i need to it's just
00:46:45natural supplements yes it's something like that and it's it's like i take five or six and whatever
00:46:49a day and i just because it's on my desk and i just see it there i pop it in and i do it every
00:46:54day now now i have organ this is so i understand when people are designing their workspace that you're
00:46:58supposed to keep it relatively undistracted like if you're going to be in creative flow mode maybe you
00:47:02do want some newspaper cuttings and like some cool art on the wall but for the most part we're trying
00:47:06to lock in and not get distracted you're so right having a an environment that pushes you toward
00:47:12behaviors that you want to do um sean puri has a basketball on his desk and he thinks better when
00:47:18he's tossing about i played ball sports as a kid it's the same my best ideas almost always come when
00:47:22i've got a tennis ball in my hands or some sort of and i'm just able to throw i don't know what's going
00:47:26on maybe it just distracts the front of my brain a little bit the other one is that ohm lamp that me
00:47:31and you have got so this is a lamp around about this big and there's a little stone on the top of it
00:47:36and the stone is an fda quality hrv sensor you just pick it up hold it in your hand and the light goes
00:47:43up and down and the sounds and it's using an algorithm to maximize your heart rate variability
00:47:49so it's resonance breathing that you can do in three minute chunks but the best thing is you can
00:47:53turn off all of the settings on it and it vibrates it's like haptic vibrates in your hand
00:47:57pick it up and hold it and you can watch a movie i've accumulated i went and checked because
00:48:01i talked about it on my newsletter this week i've done 160 hours of resonance breathing in six months
00:48:07just this year i've done 160 hours because i just grab it next time i've got one in my office one one
00:48:12here one there grab it and i just breathe in time with this vibrating thing so if you're watching
00:48:16something with just like subconscious and you're just tracking it up and down and it's it's adjusting
00:48:21based on what your heart rate is doing it's linked in with the wi-fi so it's link it once never think
00:48:26about it again the algorithm is cutting edge and all you do is you just grab this stone and hold
00:48:30it and breathe with it and it vibrates and there's one on my desk so if i'm about to sit on a call
00:48:34where i need to be quiet for ages i'll just grab it and have it i mean i don't hold it too close but
00:48:38you know what i mean uh yeah i have hundreds of fidget toys uh like of all different kinds and i get
00:48:43like i put i have a certain like dish on my desk that's that these are the ones that are in the
00:48:46rotation right now and i have all the whole archive back where'd you get your fidget toys oh my god
00:48:50well for instagram ads is deadly for me it's figured me out yeah um specs this there's a s-p-a-k-s dot com
00:48:57i think um is just that they have amazing like like soft silicone covered magnets and like stretchy
00:49:05things and uh i have silly putty and i've got these mechanical toys and uh you know it's it's an
00:49:12important thing for me that's why if i don't have those i'll bite my nails that's why these uh toothpick
00:49:16things or an equivalent but the newtonic nootropics are just a bit of an oral fixation if you're
00:49:22working away writing something your business partner josh uh because he's a real caffeine
00:49:27fiend like ex muay thai fighter now brazilian jiu-jitsu dude like kind of hardcore guy um just
00:49:33started stacking them on a morning and got onto a call i think it was with you and he had six in his
00:49:38mouth because he'd never taken any of the old ones out he just kept adding them in so he looked like a
00:49:42camel that was chewing on a bit of straw and he had all of these things poking out the front of his mouth
00:49:46yeah i i find that if you've ever been you know i don't know if you're like me but if i'm gonna if
00:49:50i if i'm sitting at my desk and a friend calls me and we're talking and then i get really like
00:49:55animated he says i say something i'm like yes and i want to make this point 100 i'm up and i'm walking
00:49:59pacing right and i'll even if i'm driving and i get home and i'm in a good phone call i'll just keep
00:50:05looping around because it's something about the movement um and then so i think well why am i sitting
00:50:09at my desk when i'm writing like it's probably something about my mind really lights up like it wants to
00:50:14physically move it's all tied together so like you know i'll just do a standing desk with one
00:50:18of those rockers or a treadmill you know they have these like little rockers and it's just kind of
00:50:22like i don't know it just keeps you moving but i don't know i just feel like yeah if i'm physically
00:50:26engaged have you ever played with dictation any ai dictation or anything as a way of brainstorming
00:50:32while walking i've been doing that recently i've done it for brainstorming like outlines of posts
00:50:37talking through it yeah um but even better for me if there's someone on the other end especially
00:50:41someone i like respect so this is my assistant alicia who's been working with me for 10 years
00:50:46she knows exactly what i'm working on and she's like you know really tapped in obviously so i will
00:50:50just sometimes say i'm stuck and we will do a call and she will basically say nothing but her being there
00:50:56and me she looks she will give feedback at the end sometimes but that's not she knows the game is
00:51:01he's going to talk to me now and he's going to crack his own thing by the end of this conversation
00:51:06this conversation so you don't record them or you do um i usually what i'll do is while i'm talking
00:51:11to her i'll say a lie and i'm like yes and i'll write it down i'm like where the hell was that when
00:51:14i was thinking alone i think that wasn't talking to someone so what my weirdest new habit that i've
00:51:18done is i've tried to essentially give up all thought by the brain so like so let me explain
00:51:26let me explain so lots of nitrous so most people or my former self existed in the kind of simmering six
00:51:37so the the middle kind of ambient rumination rumination rumination and the the big trend at
00:51:43the minute is the whole like retard maxing to stop thinking which i think is a bit ridiculous i think
00:51:47what you actually want is a barbell so you want sometimes you do the retard maxing mode and then
00:51:52sometimes you're doing the einstein maxing mode but that bit in the middle disappears so for me i
00:51:56stopped thinking in my brain i only about what i mean by thinking by the way is if it's like oh tim's
00:52:02got denim jeans on that's a thought that's okay but if as soon as i get into a wow i've got this thing
00:52:08tomorrow you could do the thing tomorrow and it's replaying the thing tomorrow it's doing the thing
00:52:11about tomorrow it's didn't think if i catch that going more than two or three loops it's okay i can
00:52:16either think with my hands so write it down and ralph order emerson described it as when you would
00:52:23write rather than think in your head you go from being drunk to sobering up because even the working
00:52:30memory that we have in our head is what like seven plus or minus two i'm probably at the five mark
00:52:35so you that's one of the reasons why you look you almost i got advised once by a cognitive behavioral
00:52:40therapist who said you would never do like even a moderate equation in your head yet we will do the
00:52:46most complex life decisions just there for years ruminating ruminating ruminating and it's an example
00:52:51of where the 10 000 hour rule actually doesn't work if anything you get worse and worse and worse so
00:52:55either think with my hands or as you mentioned then think with your mouth or think with your feet
00:53:00so as you're walking so as soon as i get in one of those loops i'm like it has to be no brain hands
00:53:05mouth feet i like that right yeah the uh story you just told resonated because when i was totally stuck
00:53:14on my first book for months like could not figure out how to crack this really important section and
00:53:21hired a woman who worked as a ghostwriter but i wasn't going to use her that way to interview me on
00:53:26a phone call and effectively just ended up talking and cracked it by the end of the conversation and i was
00:53:32like oh i just needed to get out of and like what is it so you're like self-referential there's a part of
00:53:38your brain that is capable of this thing and for some reason when you weren't talking you're thinking
00:53:43it's just not you're not accessing it like it's strange but it's really wild yeah well i assume if
00:53:50i had to think about from a neuroscience perspective you're probably using more of your default mode
00:53:53network as you're ruminating as you're moving your lips as you're moving your hands you're activating a
00:53:58different part of the brain and through the activity it's almost like you're just releasing the
00:54:02taps you must know from like kelly sarat's stuff and just the way that the human body and brain works
00:54:09why is it that we want to locomote as soon as we start thinking about something deeply or we have
00:54:12that conversation because it's the same for me if i get on a good call like even if i i now have a
00:54:17habit that if somebody just rings and i've got nothing to do i'll get up and go for a walk because
00:54:20hooray it's good to get steps in but there's other times where you start to get really animated
00:54:25and you just find yourself walking like what is it about the act of walking that makes thinking easier
00:54:29i'm not sure i i don't know i mean kelly starrett people should look up uh becoming the supple leopard
00:54:35he's very famous pt performance coach really knows what if you've ever used like a lacrosse ball to
00:54:41loosen up or like distraction with a band or something like that he popularized a lot of that
00:54:46stuff the couch stretch named by kelly etc so he's worth looking up i don't know there are people who do
00:54:53really well sitting still uh my fidget fix is like japanese east asian like pen spinning that's a whole
00:55:01thing um so that people can find like a 20 year old youtube video of me showing like the basics of this
00:55:06but i'll just sit there doing different types of spinning with a pen that's my move pacing also huge
00:55:14pacer for me i think it could be i'm just speculating here but occupying a part of your mind that is for
00:55:23instance like the monkey mind right i think this is part of the reason why flow states often include
00:55:29some kinesthetic component right whether it's music playing violin or something like that surfing whatever
00:55:35it might be uh i think that there is an occupying of certain cognitive faculties or
00:55:43looping mechanisms that is aided with physical movement but that's just it's like when my my 15
00:55:49month old is annoying me and i'm trying to do something i'll just like hand her something to
00:55:54occupy her and then she's like yeah it's like a little like there's like a 15 month old in my head
00:55:58that's like ah and i'm like shut up give something and then it's fiddle the fidget spinner hurry up and
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00:57:01question as you was talking earlier about the treadmills and all the fidget spinning devices and
00:57:05the instagram ads and you're buying stuff i had like a i was thinking in my head of if you was born
00:57:1210 years ago did you say if you was born if sorry if you were born again british english coming in it's
00:57:19not really i liked it yeah british people talk so much more cool than if you was born around about
00:57:2510 years ago listen here mate would you have been like diagnosed with adhd yeah this is like the age
00:57:32old question in my mind is do i have any am i a classic example of it or not and like i guess i don't
00:57:38know um i wonder if i were born yes in that age whether i would have been like medicated because i
00:57:43was a class clown and but i did well in school and it was never hard for me to like i always assume
00:57:47think of like real adhd is like you're sitting during a test and you're just like you can't focus
00:57:51on the test you need extra time that was once i had adrenaline like oh i was like i could focus really
00:57:56well so i don't know i don't know i don't know what do you get calmer with stimulants are there
00:58:01certain stimulants where you end up like actually calming down and focusing or do you get agitated
00:58:06with stimulants or something for me what it is is like there's like a perfectionism that is is if once
00:58:12i is i can't transition i'm awful at transitioning i will procrastinate from starting work for hours
00:58:18and once i get have to start once i'm in it now i'll get going and then someone will interrupt like
00:58:24and i'll miss dinner because i just want to keep working so it's like it's it's it's this weird like
00:58:28i i'm very a lot of inertia for whatever i'm doing and that to me is a huge thing it's just like
00:58:34uh there's no adult around making me start work and i grew up with that as a crutch always i had to go
00:58:40to class i had to finish this i had to and now there's no one so i will just self-defeat for hours
00:58:45and waste the good part of the day and then finally so that's why i wouldn't again another thing i'd do
00:58:49with my with alicia is uh alicia's your sister yes i will share my screen with her at like 10 a.m
00:58:57and she got to be working on you got to be very careful with that depending on how your day goes
00:59:02yeah you have spaces you go to a safe space um and and she uh is working on her own thing i don't know
00:59:09when she's looking at my screen and when she's not she's probably not usually but she might be
00:59:13and so i'm not going to procrastinate in front of someone that's mortified you've created a digital
00:59:17panopticon yeah it's it's great there are services that allow you to do this they'll pair you with
00:59:21someone else and you work and you work at the same time i can't recall it has to be someone that really
00:59:26knows like if i'm on a certain research page they might not know is he procrastinating he's not
00:59:30she'll be like that's not relevant anybody you're doing you know like you're going too far will she
00:59:34actually police you um she she usually she's very like tim no porn hub until 2 p.m yeah she uh she
00:59:41will say something about that that that will not that's just world war i tell you what i've got two
00:59:48things uh number one we've discussed this earlier i'm always trying to um create new vocabulary for
00:59:55myself i feel it activates a certain part of the brain do you remember my favorite word that i uh
01:00:00invented five six years ago that you love fly dripping yeah fly dripping so i was i was once stood at a
01:00:06toilet and you know men do this where they piss around the seat and i was like what's the word for
01:00:12that wait piss around the seat yes you know when somebody urinates on the toilet seat
01:00:17i usually try to avoid this exactly yeah public toilets there's a bit of public toilets you may
01:00:22see it right um so i kind of came up with the term fly dripping for that and what's useful about
01:00:27beginning to create your own language is i mean i have to talk about the benefits of language as i'm
01:00:32using language interesting this is the first word that you develop that's the first word that i develop
01:00:37or terms as a whole so one of the things that worked with the high agency piece that i did or even just
01:00:42having that language meant that i had a name for essentially an idea that people already knew or
01:00:49that i already knew but it compressed like 5 000 words into two words and then i was like hold on
01:00:55i don't have a term for that that's quite meta i don't have a term for that and then scott alexander
01:01:00had this term called an idea handle so an idea handle you can kind of pick up ideas by like coining
01:01:05terms so the two ones i've been trying to coin last week um at the following so number one kesha's law
01:01:14so like the artist kesha kesha's law is whenever you're creating art try not to use any modern
01:01:20references because it may come back to bite you in the arse so the the artist kesha i love i love by
01:01:25the way formerly known this this may not be the best podcast in the world but we have the highest range
01:01:28we've gone from black holes to kesha say what you want about the quality but you can't knock the range
01:01:35um kesha her number one song was started with wake up in the morning feeling like p diddy
01:01:44so that's tough now so what she did so what do you do if you have to retcon her own song yes
01:01:49so what she did was wake up in the morning feeling like me flops so now when did she do that so um quite
01:01:57recently in terms of the rebrand around the whole p diddy escapades now she's come out and done wake
01:02:02up in the morning p diddy which is a little bit better but she doesn't really fit the story but
01:02:09ultimately if you put a p diddy bottleneck in there where is the comma in that sentence wake up in the
01:02:14morning comma diddy kesha's law so whenever you're creating things you've got to avoid modern things
01:02:20another law i've tried to create recently i was watching i don't know if you guys have seen the
01:02:25new michael jackson documentary on netflix and there's a scene in there it's only so much neverland
01:02:30i can handle yeah yes yeah i forgot i forgot tim sorry to bring it up you can walk out if you need
01:02:35to um there's a scene in there that's explained some stuff that we've discussed of imagine you have
01:02:43an axis like here so you have um essentially being an awful person or crimes that you might be able to
01:02:50commit and i'm not even going to discuss michael's ones just yet and then you have talent so as you go
01:02:56the talent can essentially get out of the axis and mj's okay people are like he's too funny it's fine
01:03:02well mj and there's something about music that like for example no offense to you chris i think
01:03:07you're a lovely podcaster okay but if you started noncing right if you became like a i'm not talented
01:03:14enough to get away with nobody's like nobody is like going yeah but yeah you know what i mean like
01:03:20people but music so this is the crazy thing so michael is in the defense for this pedophilia charge
01:03:26and there's the um the guy who did a documentary on him and they're showing the documentary so it's
01:03:33where michael's kind of got his hand around a child and they're like talking about the child's
01:03:38talking about how he didn't want to go into michael's bed but michael uh asked him to come into his bed
01:03:44so they're playing the whole documentary as proof of potentially his crimes but within the documentary
01:03:49it plays some of his music so what's interesting you have both the defense um the judge the jury
01:03:56and even the defense said when they played billy jean yeah i saw himself doing that he saw the judge
01:04:04nodding his head as like wow mj's law you could be the defense could hear your music and still bob their
01:04:12head and you still get you're giving them like actual like pleasurable dopamine hits and that makes
01:04:17that disendearing yes there's some we talk about this a lot uh of people that are in the pop culture
01:04:24thinkers speakers artists whatever how who is it that's got the largest bank account that they could
01:04:32withdraw from before they go into bill cosby was probably number one and and he if you had asked
01:04:39me before all the the bill cosby scandal came out um i would have been like bill cosby's the number one
01:04:46like like least likely to be cancelled person and it turns out what he did was so bad that if you're
01:04:53gonna you know like actually like roofie uh dozens and dozens of like young women that you're uh promising
01:05:00like career breaks too that is so bad that like even bill cosby that you can't even you know correct
01:05:06but yes you didn't have a masama makusa yeah i think that's true if bill cosby had released a
01:05:11banger i think music weirdly yeah it's almost comedy before music seems to destroy the human brain more
01:05:18than comedy yeah so for example if you really dislike a comedian or they've done something awful you can
01:05:22almost not find them funny which is why i used the example then if chris was in court again i'm not
01:05:26planting these rumors but if chris was in court for doing something horrific and they pulled up his 4k set with
01:05:30matthew mcconaughey doesn't do anything but there's something about music someone really funny i think
01:05:34it does have some of the same effect but not to the level not to the level now another example would be
01:05:39and this doesn't work for the whole population but political tribalism is like this just powerful drug
01:05:45that just makes brains crazy and so if you're political tribe you're really try if you're a really
01:05:51politically tribal person and the person that you are that is you know part of your team you'll forgive
01:05:57like anything and you can see this with a lot of famous politicians today you can like uh and it's
01:06:04uh i think that the the people of the that tribe or you can see with like you know other kinds of
01:06:09tribalism like there are many people who refuse jesse smollett is innocent he was and there's every
01:06:17bit of evidence but like because it gets tapped into a really tribal thing the people that see him is like
01:06:22on our side and the people criticizing him are the bad guys like there's nothing that could make them turn on
01:06:26it could i workshop a new word with you guys right now shoot all right i've been struggling with this
01:06:32because i like doing the same thing i like these the invention of words right and so like i'll give
01:06:39two examples of ones that that i'm i'm proud of rightly or wrongly one is a word tell adultery
01:06:45so tell adultery is when you and your partner have watched a show together and then someone
01:06:51separately watches more episodes without you oh that's good television very good exactly what it
01:06:58feels like yeah tell adultery you're like how could you right yeah and then uh the the newer one which
01:07:04is like ah it's not quite as good but i like it there's something there is hallucinatives like the
01:07:09first generations to assume that llm responses are fact to do no cross-checking hallucinatives right
01:07:16it's like ah it's not bad i mean it's not as good as tell adultery is going to stick in the lexicon
01:07:21that one i put up this like probably 10 years ago on twitter so back when it was twitter so
01:07:25so we'll see i stick fly dripping i i stick fly dripping's not bad um it's just such a niche
01:07:31issue oh it's such a the one i want i'll tell you some mcdonald's and that's the zenies the fight
01:07:38start niche start niche the the one that i've been trying to figure out is and this maybe i'm the only
01:07:43one i don't think i am where everyone is so overwhelmed with notifications and on their phones
01:07:49that at least most of my friends have do not disturb on so they'll be like sure man call me and then you
01:07:55call them and it goes straight to voicemail and they're like no problem i'll call you straight
01:07:57back they call you back and it goes straight to voicemail so it's this like do not disturb death
01:08:02loop and but i have not been able to come up with like a pithy word for this i i always joked
01:08:10that if i could have a job it would essentially be this so if i could have any job in the world
01:08:16that i would do for free coming up with these words yeah the the one i so this type of thing or
01:08:20it would be like you probably don't get it as much in america but in the uk you have the proper
01:08:24british red tops so it'll be the and they did horrific things but what's a red top red top will
01:08:29be like the newspaper like proper like scummy newspapers but they'll have something like wayne
01:08:33rooney's shagged a prostitute that's a grandma and they're running the story tomorrow and they need
01:08:38someone to write the headline oh it's like a new york post new york post yeah the ability to just i
01:08:42actually hate the articles but the ability for just somebody to give me a story and then just say we
01:08:46need four words we need some horrible pun yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm thinking about like disturb loop
01:08:55like or a do not loop or uh disturbipede which makes me think about like the human centipede
01:09:03uh like ouroboros like playing something into that could be fun or something with a boomerang
01:09:07we could throw that one out to the audience too yeah that's one's in the comments below for when you
01:09:11ring someone and it's do not disturbing i will say like in as a blogger do not disturb all the way down
01:09:16like explaining things and coming up with like terms and stuff like that and it's like most of
01:09:20the terms don't stick and the the the like the posts are ideas of mine that have gone most viral
01:09:27or just stuck around the most or almost always like where i nailed the term and it really is like
01:09:32it is such an important thing because if you can really i mean look look at cancel culture it was this
01:09:38concept people said you know where the people are there's too much political correctness or like you
01:09:42know we're it's a little bit you know it's like it feels like there's witch hunts it wasn't quite
01:09:46getting it and then this one term alliteration labeled it yes and that exposes it now you're
01:09:51acting kind of like that and it just it did a number on it it was really like it was it was a
01:09:56powerful it changed the the the culture war this term i mean so you can examples like that are just so
01:10:01and people who can do that really well oh can i throw out one more related to that bigoteer
01:10:06like a racketeer someone who labels others for profit or gain of some type of bigoteer right very nice
01:10:14that's right uh so what are some of the blog posts that have really nailed the terminology
01:10:19like you mentioned the ted talk that's gone really viral and i think part of what was successful there
01:10:25was procrastination is something that so many people experience and was just again putting labels to
01:10:31things like i called that that when you are procrastinating i said you know i described you're in
01:10:37the the dark playground and it's a specific thing where you're you're you're you're digging around
01:10:42social media you're you're texting with your friends looking up one of your blog posts you're
01:10:46you're texting with your friends and you're you're doing whatever and and it is you're in the
01:10:50playground you're having fun right it's leisure time but it's not fun at all this is just dread and
01:10:56guilt and stress and anxiety that you're here and you know you should start working and you feel this
01:11:01it's not fun that's why it's the dark playground but now i get messages from you know mothers that
01:11:06are saying my son my nine-year-old son said oh mom i'm in the dark playground i need to get out and
01:11:09it's like okay you know that was a successful term and it's like yes yeah it's interesting yeah the
01:11:14leverage what about the leverage that exists i'm so sorry what about the tail end yeah is that am i
01:11:19uniquely affected by that no no that one and that's do you guys know this blog post yes i think so yeah
01:11:24you should describe it because this was sent to me by a friend matt mullenweg and like it's
01:11:29i still think about it constantly you remember the guy that sent it to you yeah oh yeah yeah you
01:11:33want to dad if yeah so this was this is why i like blogging because i want to take lots of swings at
01:11:38the bat swings swings at the bat because then you might hit a home run once in a while and you don't
01:11:43know which ones but if you're just doing that's why books is like one giant swing over three years i don't
01:11:47like that um and this is an example of one where i was procrastinating during the spacex post i was
01:11:51writing the spacex post and i was like you know what i should really do is write another blog post
01:11:56yeah classic classic thing i was like i have an idea i'm just gonna do instead of doing this like
01:12:01big giant mountain i'm just gonna like i'm just gonna do this little idea that i've had for a long
01:12:04time but then i like thought about it in bed in the morning and i was like oh okay i know how i want
01:12:08to do it and then i just got up and did it in a couple hours and it made it it's one of those that
01:12:13really made a big impact um and the idea is that um so one of the things i like to do is just like
01:12:22use visuals or whatever to look at how much time we have i like to zoom out and i don't want to just
01:12:26unconsciously go through life and then be like oh wow like look how much time passed i never i want
01:12:30to be like how much let's just look at it how many weeks are there left if i live to 90 like let's just
01:12:36let's just see this for what it is and so i'm not like caught you know i'm not blindsided by it later
01:12:41um and so i would think about okay i've you know even just watching the world cup i'm like
01:12:45maybe i have 12 world cups left depending on like longevity research um and that's if i'm lucky you
01:12:50know and how many christmases yeah exactly so i do this kind of thing but then i kind of had a
01:12:55disturbing thought which was not all of the important things in life are evenly distributed world cups
01:13:01christmases are christmases are um i grew up spending 350 days a year with my parents or whatever you
01:13:09know when i got older went to camp maybe 330 over 300 days a year with my parents um and my sisters
01:13:16and um and then you graduate and you know you you you move either go to college or whatever you're
01:13:24doing you know you if you if you move out of the city especially you might see your parents i don't
01:13:29know 10 days a year 20 days a year i don't know uh if they live in your city maybe you see them 80 days
01:13:34a year whatever but either way the number is much smaller and so then i you know i was like well if
01:13:39you actually add up the total number if i just say i'm seeing them 15 days a year right now so that's
01:13:44i need 20 years now to capture one year of parent time when i was a kid i was like wow if you look
01:13:52at the whole number i'm 95 way of the way through with my in-person relationship with my parents
01:13:58and i would this was i had this thought when you graduate high school yeah yeah yeah exactly when
01:14:01you graduate so now i'm even older right and so um and this is if you're lucky if your parents live
01:14:06long lives um and it was super depressing and also one of those things where i'm like i need to this
01:14:12some thoughts i have that are you know or ideas that are depressing and don't serve any positive
01:14:17purpose i'm not going to do that i'm not going to just share my misery and spread it um
01:14:22this i was like no this is important we need to look at this we need to look at this uh for you know
01:14:26two reasons one if you are living in california and your parents are in new york or whatever and
01:14:31you are seeing them 10 days a year and that's just a reality um or again with a friend there's some
01:14:36friends i saw all the time in high school that i i'll see once every five years now once every five
01:14:40years sometimes these are close friends um i might see that friend 10 more times period i might see my
01:14:47parents only i don't know 200 more times 150 100 more times and so if that's the reality being like
01:14:55staring it in the face and being aware of it will at least make you treat those times you are together
01:14:59as what they are which is precious or also you can maybe make a big change i've had people tell me
01:15:05they moved back home to where their parents are because of this post because if you go from living
01:15:12in california till you move back home and you see them now 60 days a year you actually just brought
01:15:18that percentage down oh instead of being 94 done i'm only 81 done like what that's a you can change
01:15:23the equation so it's this actually really empowering thing or at least you know i'm not living in the
01:15:27same city as my parents but i'm i've become like so adamant about like we need to all see each other
01:15:31every eight weeks like somewhere it needs to be revisit revisit my sisters there then we visit home
01:15:35then we have thanksgiving then you should all come here for this so it's like it's helped motivate me
01:15:39to i mean and again it's not pleasant but having the delusion that we have endless time together
01:15:44uh is not helpful it encourages a bias for action yeah one of the worst things to do is to identify
01:15:50something uncomfortable that it feels like you can't change your fix that is where people really
01:15:57really don't like you know this is how bad social media is for you and people push back against that
01:16:02a lot because i i feel i feel like it's out of my control i kind of agree with the problem but you
01:16:08haven't yet given me or the solution feels a little bit more out of reach than that i mean i just start
01:16:12i personally started taking my whole family on a family trip every like year to two years and did
01:16:18that up until my parents were physically in incapable of doing it but like that post was a real catalyst
01:16:24conversations that i had with matt and other people about it and i was like okay like look i'm not
01:16:29going to move back home i don't have any desire to live in the middle of nowhere but at least we can
01:16:35block out like two to three weeks of concentrated time where we're sharing these adventures together
01:16:40with the anticipation of the trip leading up to it which is a big piece of it we have the memories and
01:16:44photos is that from you that from you is one of my favorite ideas look at this just mutually
01:16:48fellating each other um one of my favorite things for you is that most you promised it in the text to me so
01:16:53here we are true oh uh like bonnie blue um right you're right you're inside it range dude it's the
01:17:00most the highest range highest on the planet um your idea that the holiday that you go on you should
01:17:07book them as far out in advance as possible because so much of the enjoyment is done in anticipation
01:17:12so there was this great study done a while ago i did uh my master's dissertation on the effectiveness
01:17:18of anti-alcohol advertising on students at newcastle university i wanted to see what sort
01:17:22of interventions we could do to try and reduce this is when uh drinking was a problem not not drinking
01:17:27which is now the new problem uh but the uh thing that i realized is doing a little bit of reading
01:17:33and a bit of research around this was a study was done looking at when people enjoy nights out the most
01:17:41and this included people that were drinking so you'd think how many drinks deep is it is it when you
01:17:45arrive at the nightclub is when the music the mainline dj comes on the headline dj and every
01:17:51everyone's there and they're having a great time no it was in the flat in the apartment as you were
01:17:56getting ready for the night out like the middle of the bullseye of dopamine and human satisfaction is
01:18:02things are about to get a little bit better than friday at 3 p.m at work is the happier moment
01:18:07than like midday saturday correct correct and by the way the alt the the inverse of that is if you
01:18:11if something shitty is if that i'm going to dread is on my plate i want to know about it as late as
01:18:16possible i i had six months to think about that i have a ted talk hanging over that's going to add
01:18:21this horrifying thing over the horizon i wish someone had just told me a month before you have to if you
01:18:24want me to speak at your wedding tell me freaking 10 days before do not give me six months where i'm
01:18:29like after that wedding i have to come up with a really good speed oh that's so good yeah because
01:18:33you're front-loading the pain exactly as well as front so you want to know about good things
01:18:37we're ahead and you want to tell me about the gangbanger you're in advance but tell me about
01:18:40the tax return one week before depends on the details which side of the gaming band you want to be
01:18:45that's true that's true um the the most depressing version of um your kind of tail end thing it's
01:18:53this old proverb in um china and it's essentially goes along the lines of like the saddest feeling
01:19:00in the world is to grow the desire to take care of your parents only to realize they're no longer there
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01:20:18there's a great line that i came across i wanted to read to you guys it's from salhi gune it says
01:20:23you'll regret it if you get married you'll regret it if you don't get married you'll regret it if you
01:20:27have kids and you'll regret it if you don't kicker god said this 200 years ago as follows whatever you
01:20:32choose you'll regret it because the problem isn't in your choices it's in romanticizing a life grass is
01:20:37always greener a person always finds an untraveled path alluring and mysterious that's why the issue
01:20:43isn't making the right choice it's choosing and deciding which regret you'll live with and that was
01:20:47that douglas murray line in life we must choose our regrets and you go okay in advance of a big decision
01:20:54you might want to think which decision do i want to live with but the better question is which regret
01:20:59could i not bear living with yeah that's the one it's a little like if you're you know someone who
01:21:04you can't be too perfectionist about finding your life partner it's like which flawed person and
01:21:09flawed relationship are you going to choose and and each one is going to have a different set of flaws
01:21:13and i think in both of these cases internalizing that is very helpful because it can make you realize
01:21:20that if i have regrets it doesn't mean something horribly wrong happened if this if marriage is
01:21:25imperfect it doesn't mean i did something wrong like it's in and so it can help you accept which
01:21:31is half the battle i mean it's like regret is only really painful when you feel like i wish i could i
01:21:37i made a huge mistake as opposed to like this is part of a call that i made yet so thinking about uh
01:21:42pendulum swinging in one direction or the other going from we were worried about binge drinking in 2010
01:21:47when i wrote my dissertation and now in 2026 we're worried about sobriety culture coming and taking away
01:21:52the way that people are able to communicate and spend time and socialize an equivalent for this
01:21:56i think and i've messaged scott galloway about this too uh as a famously unmarried man in his 30s
01:22:04the conversation of you don't need to think that deeply about your life partner to now a lot of
01:22:10the biggest reels that scott's done and and uh warren buffett um the single most important decision
01:22:15that you're going to make in your life is your life partner this is a piece of advice that
01:22:20distributes unevenly to people it makes people who are already prone to overthinking feel even more
01:22:25pressure meanwhile the people that were just blasé making decisions on vibes are just coasting through
01:22:30it and it's applying even more pressure i think this is it's a noble insight which is hey this is an
01:22:36important decision and if you choose if you choose wrong it can make your life hell but the don't choose
01:22:44wrong turns into i must perfect i must become a perfectionist in choosing right and it creates
01:22:50paralysis of analysis this is david epstein's new book inside the box money by the way really really
01:22:55good yeah it's really um but yeah that that that what's the basic premise that i have an old one
01:23:01one to recommend too constraints breed uh creativity oh yeah if if i mean he he is really great at
01:23:09bringing stories together but he has this uh what's it called the magic company what was that uh it was
01:23:15all of the engineers from apple um and it was the the first ever goldman sachs idea ipo so they didn't
01:23:23even have a product but they just had such an amazing team that they ipo'd just with ideas and
01:23:29they were able to do they had unlimited budget they'd ipo'd before they had a product and he gives
01:23:33this example of a story where they were going to create basically the iphone before the iphone
01:23:38and one of the engineers said i'm going to run it from uh 1904 let's say it's going to be 100 years
01:23:44something like that let's say and another engineering team came in and said well why do it from then why
01:23:48not do it from further back because people might be doing using apps for historical recording and so
01:23:54it's okay well i'll do it from year zero and we'll get up to 2004 whenever it is and another team came
01:23:59in and said well that's stupid why don't you go all the way back to the beginning of time so that
01:24:03we've got a full calendar that people can and it ended up what could have been four lines of code
01:24:07turned into this huge unwieldy project this is general magic if you don't it's the general magic that
01:24:12was it there's a great documentary on this and it's also like if i can interject for a second it's
01:24:17like uh yoda warski's dune i don't know if you guys have ever seen this documentary it's about this
01:24:21ill-fated attempt to make a dune movie which was just like i guess it was made by this crazy man
01:24:27named yoda warski and it goes through all these disasters and it didn't work out but the team
01:24:35ended up being geiger who designed the alien and so on the the talent density of that failed project
01:24:44was so high it's hard to believe this is true of general magic too right you had like
01:24:48very very young tony fidel who went on to create the ipod and the iphone you've got the person went
01:24:54on to create android uh it's it's kind of nuts and despite that or in this i say in spite of in spite of
01:25:04having this incredible talent density it's like if you don't have constraints well if you have a lot of
01:25:08brilliant people with a lot of ideas that could actually be a fatal recipe correct yeah constraints
01:25:14this is another which they said coming up with the term is really important well it's also just like
01:25:18i don't know just getting a certain like
01:25:22uh anchor concept that can help anchor your rationality so like one of the things i've always
01:25:28thought about with relationships for perfection because i'm i'm like this and one of the times when i was
01:25:33able to kind of like finally you know pull the pin yeah is because i i think i grew up a little bit
01:25:39and was in enough relationships and i was like again the fact that like every they're all flawed
01:25:43every single one so but you also don't want to be like well they're all flawed so this relationship
01:25:48is fine and it's actually really bad like right so it's it's more like what are of their if there's
01:25:5330 things you would love to have in a partner um you're 100 going to be missing a bunch of those
01:25:59in every partner but what are your deal breakers like actually think about two or three or four
01:26:05don't get too much with these that are like this is critical to me like i i will not marry someone
01:26:10who does not you know whatever i was gonna say on both sides of the fence because they can be things
01:26:14that you must not have yes and things that you must have exactly and and i think it's a mistake
01:26:21it's not being perfectionist enough to sacrifice on those deal breakers and i think it's being way too
01:26:26much of a perfectionist to be like ah you know it's like she's not you know she doesn't love to uh jam
01:26:30music with me and i did that with my previous you know girlfriend and that's a must like you can't
01:26:34have a ton of those or you're never gonna ever no one's ever gonna be enough one of the biggest
01:26:39issues in relationships that uh people don't talk about enough are uh bedtime lag issues like if you
01:26:45don't go to bed and wake up within maybe an hour of your partner i think that there's a lot that
01:26:51you're missing like just literally you're missing out on a lot of time together but i think it causes an
01:26:55awful lot of uh friction between you and your partner because like you're gonna be woken up when
01:27:00they get into bed they're gonna be woken up when you get out of bed sleep's really important there's
01:27:03health effects gonna begin to resent them if they come in at a different time maybe some people are
01:27:07laissez-faire enough or a deep enough sleeper that it doesn't really matter but i think aligning the
01:27:12sleep rhythm is probably one of the sort of unseen that should be uh in order to get into the
01:27:18conversation that's probably across the board a piece of advice that most people should i'll play devil's
01:27:22advocate just because i have historically had very strange gap relationship yeah yeah i mean in some
01:27:28very good relationships including my current relationship but it's a few hours i would say
01:27:33very often it's like one to two hour gap she'll get up before i do uh i think it can work if you are okay
01:27:40with going to bed at different times also as soon as you have a puppy or a child like you're on the same
01:27:45schedule right because or someone's doing the morning the other person's going to sleep so
01:27:49actually it might actually be adaptive yeah if you've got someone that goes to bed at three in
01:27:53the morning typically and you're like okay well you're obviously going to do the night shift up
01:27:56until three and then if your missus is usually getting up at five it's all right we'll just run
01:28:00that back a little bit earlier and then i usually i'm up a little later and i'll usually like close
01:28:04down the house and like clean up the kitchen a little bit and like turn off all the lights and like
01:28:07take the dog out and then like she'll be more likely to wake up and do morning stuff before we move on from
01:28:12terms we are still struggling to name this podcast series it's currently rabbit hole which is the
01:28:17the working title but we're still struggling was it uh fuck me good dudes good vibe rabbit hole he's
01:28:24pretty good fuck me yeah yeah autist that fire up the autism engine was another one obviously but uh
01:28:30yeah it's wrong with this rabbit hole described what we've done today which has gone down 20 20
01:28:34rabbit holes i mean yeah you know underground burrow to a different rabbit hole and then come back
01:28:38it's funny the uh the power of a name though right you know here's a little here's a little test for
01:28:43you here we go have you ever heard of a book called women love and relationships no no because nobody
01:28:50fucking did right so this book released i think it was in the 80s or the 90s sold nothing so he came
01:28:57along changed the title and just jazzed it up a little bit to men are from mars women are from venus and
01:29:05it was the best-selling book of the 90s and just it was the basically the same book different title
01:29:12well it's like uh when's the last time you had patagonian toothfish not recently right chilean sea
01:29:21yeah now we're talking i don't want a question given that we've got we've got two authors and one
01:29:27fledgling author at the table what is a book that you think is amazing but failed because of its name
01:29:33oh great question
01:29:40so mine my my kind of go-to for this is a little bit niche but it's mate by tucker maxx and jeffrey
01:29:45miller to become the man women want the evolutionary psychology inspired dating book for men is that a
01:29:53bad title or is it just too generic it i just think it should have done because models by mark manson
01:29:58also i reckon had he have given it a little bit more magic would have been because it's still great
01:30:03and so like relatively well but could have been significantly better for what it was made by tucker
01:30:08maxx and jeffrey miller is one of the best if not the best book for guys to understand understand how
01:30:12women think understand what their fears are it's very like sort of both sides of the spectrum in terms of
01:30:17being understanding about women being pro men without being too apologetic and it rips and i think they even
01:30:24renamed it once i'm not sure why uh but it's that's just one that comes to mind like that book was so
01:30:31good and it it didn't take off and i feel like there was a big unlock in in the name i think with a
01:30:36book it helps i think with like certain things like a company or even like a blog maybe it's like like
01:30:43xkcd i think if i were advising my friend before that started i would have been like no one's it's just
01:30:48four random letters like no one's gonna explain what that is yeah someone will be like you should
01:30:51you should read that blog it has the four letters they'll be like what it's obviously a massive
01:30:56success um you want to explain what it is for people um xkcd is randall monroe's uh he's this
01:31:01you know brilliant com he's a you know he does he does a three comic monday wednesday friday he
01:31:05also puts out books like comic strip yeah it's a comic strip but it's like nerdy and science and
01:31:10he's just it's amazing um and uh it has a giant around forever yeah cult following yeah he's been
01:31:16doing it forever and um and he probably gets more reads than like anything in like the you know the
01:31:21comics of the newspapers these days i mean he's probably bigger than um but um so i think although
01:31:26maybe the fact that not everyone's heard of him maybe maybe it would be even bigger i mean that that's
01:31:29that's true i don't know um uh i i think i say people say what's your blog's name wait but why and
01:31:34they go what and i'm like i'm sorry and it's i just was looking on i was looking on uh godaddy and i was
01:31:41like i need a domain that has a dot com and i had like my hundredth idea and i was like okay that's
01:31:46one and i had like a small list of ones that actually had dot coms and i was like sure i think
01:31:51like it names in certain situations are overrated i think with books probably not i think books maybe
01:31:57is something that it's uh but i think you know i think company names i think if i see a lot of really
01:32:02dumb company names yeah i think it depends a lot on the nature of the company i'm literally having this
01:32:06conversation with one startup right now like whether to keep or change and in their case i don't think
01:32:12it matters because they're b2b and selling in a very like long sales cycle to sophisticated buyers
01:32:19as opposed to a product that is like b2c where it's like a consumer facing product where you want
01:32:26people to be able to easily say hey have you tried x and if they can't remember x you're kind of dead in
01:32:32water i do have a book example uh there are a lot of books that didn't do particularly well but i don't
01:32:39think it was solely due to the title this one i think might be title related i've probably sold half
01:32:45the copies that this book has sold in total at this point because i've talked about it and i have a
01:32:50bookshelf in my guest bedroom with just this book for people to yank but awareness anthony de mello
01:32:57anthony de mello yeah and it's got you know the subtitles the perils and opportunities of reality
01:33:01that's the better subtitle that they they change the subtitle the conversations with the masters
01:33:06which makes no sense to me because this conversation with one guy in transcribed uh conversations but
01:33:12that book if i had to pick one book to read on an annual basis that would probably be the one
01:33:20i mean i have some other close runner-ups but that that one for sure and it's so short why what's the
01:33:25kind of reflection symbol but i i would say this so that i mean the it is honing your ability to observe
01:33:33your own thinking and your own state and without that meta ability i think you're
01:33:43you're striving to develop other faculties is severely if not wholly handicapped right you have to be able to
01:33:51sort of observe to the extent that you can without enhancement there are certain drugs and so on that
01:33:56help with this or practices like different types of meditation but without any augmentation
01:34:02it's very hard to look at your operating system right what are the biases what are the weights almost
01:34:06as if you were an ai model right like what has been built into like the confirmation bias and the
01:34:12narratives over time that you inherited from parents or whoever it might be that have not actually been
01:34:17stress tested that you didn't arrive at through any type of first-hand experience or maybe there was
01:34:22one outlying experience that was tremendously painful and therefore you lived from that point forward for
01:34:2815 years with this filter on reality which actually isn't defensible but it's sitting in the background
01:34:35governing how you make decisions uh and it's it's incredibly colloquial it's lectures that were
01:34:41transcribed and cleaned up and it's unforgiving in its delivery it's like it's very uh harsh so some people
01:34:50don't like it it's very in your face in some ways but uh i have had so many people friends of mine
01:34:57including people who are very very accomplished either get either get more done or i feel like they have
01:35:07removed like gauze from their eyes or pain from their life or all of the above after reading this book
01:35:13it's like 150 it's called awareness awareness yeah it's a red cover by anthony de mello he was a he
01:35:18was a jesuit priest also a psychotherapist and he's pulling from a lot of different traditions but it's
01:35:26it's very pithy you would i mean i think all you guys would like it but i was thinking of you george because
01:35:31of the naming right his sort of idea handles that you then carry forward the stories that he tells i
01:35:40mean i've read it like 20 times so of course i've had some reps but even after one reading the stories
01:35:44that stick with people are so compelling and funny it's a funny book it's a really sticky effective book
01:35:54i think that winzip file of i say that one word and it unlocks this entire you know we i still
01:36:01have an obsession with language i've always loved language since i was a kid and one of the problems
01:36:05if you do 1100 podcast episodes where you're kind of obsessed with language is you can sometimes get
01:36:09nerdy on it and you can start aphorism maxing maxim maxing and uh but for me it's really important
01:36:16if i've got a single sentence that explains a huge concept one of the best ones i came up with last
01:36:21year was idea uh advice hyper responders so advice doesn't land evenly people who have a predisposition
01:36:28toward it tend to take it on board a lot while the people that didn't already pay attention to it just
01:36:31coast past unchanged i'm like fuck like that explains so much of why certain people have their traits
01:36:38exaggerated while the people that the advice is actually for like the prescription to work harder
01:36:43seems to be absorbed much more by people who are already working too hard than people who don't work
01:36:47hard enough and that now explains it opens up this entire world for me and it was a term that i needed
01:36:54for myself and that if you're a super successful author who's got like a ton of readers and distributes
01:37:00all of this stuff out like you can move the entire sort of cognitive topography of everybody that comes
01:37:07into contact with it and then people who don't even know the book or don't even know where it comes from
01:37:11yeah that spreads even bigger than the readers meme being one of them right catches on too and starts
01:37:17to change the world for the advice hyper responder was there any examples of some maybe bad advice that
01:37:23you hyper responded to and then some good advice that you have ignored or still ignore to this day i think
01:37:28the one about working harder is is a good example of that as a person whose proclivity predisposition was
01:37:35always to lean into i'm not doing enough i should be working more i need to be more diligent i already
01:37:40pay way too much attention to stuff and it sounded to me like type a advice for type b people i just
01:37:47took that advice on for me as a type a person and it made it worsened my imbalances as opposed to
01:37:53correcting them uh but it's the thing that's interesting about that the type a advice for type b people or
01:37:59type a people have type b problems and type b people have type a problems the reason that's particularly
01:38:03interesting is that on average maybe more people do need david goggins screaming in their face to go
01:38:08harder than eckhart tolle whispering in their ear that they're already enough perhaps that across the
01:38:14whole world it would be better for more people to pay more attention and work harder but for a certain
01:38:19cohort of people mostly people that listen to podcasts like this one they actually need to hear the
01:38:23opposite message they need to be rest day maxing not work day maxing and uh which ties into
01:38:28maxing yeah but that ties into awareness i mean that's where i think like the most important
01:38:32possible skill you can develop is self-awareness and just being able to see i go too far here i'm
01:38:38not going to listen to that advice and if you if you see that about yourself you're not going to fall
01:38:41into that trap as much um one of the problems with that prescription though is that people who are
01:38:45already self-aware will take more self-awareness on mm-hmm yeah and then too much self-awareness
01:38:50is not great is restricting yeah yeah too self-conscious and everything you do and bingo
01:38:54yeah yeah yeah it's true yeah you also probably self-awareness is yeah when you think too much
01:39:00about yourself one of the exercises i was trying to write about the other day for the book it's
01:39:05interesting little thought experiment for you two gentlemen which is imagine we have gentlemen hold on
01:39:10now imagine we have a room here okay and there's 10 people inside the room but one of them is secretly
01:39:20miserable but they're keeping it together everybody else is moderately happy now think of everybody in
01:39:26your life that you know who do you think you could send in that room and have the best probability of
01:39:30figuring it out figuring out which one and who would be the worst obviously don't answer the worst one
01:39:35publicly um but who but if you think of those two people in your head who would be the best person esther
01:39:40perel why what is it about them i don't know i just feel like she is so unbelievably perceptive
01:39:46of and i mean i know this i mean of her talks and stuff but i i know her personally and i just feel
01:39:52like she just like sees what i'm actually trying to say or what i'm actually feeling like really
01:39:57really well which is part of why i think she's so magnetic in her also an amazing podcast yes couples
01:40:02were oh yeah which is i mean and that's who's who's better at doing a podcast with couples couples
01:40:06therapy is usually this person who barely knows you two can within a few minutes start to see stuff
01:40:12that you don't see with each other it's like that's incredible power yeah they're also i mean i would
01:40:18think of for instance my friend kevin rose super close friend serial entrepreneur amazing investor
01:40:23great guy eq off the charts off the charts so he would walk in and observe the room and i think with
01:40:32millions of years of evolution tilting in his favor i don't think it's necessarily something
01:40:37he could verbalize but he would pick it out it's an interesting idea of is it a trainable skill
01:40:44what's also interesting is that you could kind of replace secretly miserable person with psychopath
01:40:51con man having an affair and you'd probably pick loosely the same people to be able to go in to do that
01:40:57and it appears that it's closely related to theory of mind which seems to come online at like four
01:41:02years old so a three-year-old almost has no theory of mind they can't understand that tim has thoughts
01:41:08or thinks differently to me and it happens at four years old i think that's when lying starts as well
01:41:13yes so this ability to be able to think oh think how tim thinks and then sometimes think how tim
01:41:20you do not want to i'm thinking yeah i know it's funny watching up close like it there's a there's
01:41:24stages before that first is like i am the only person and everyone else is like a is like a here
01:41:31for my per my everyone's a figment of my imagination and then there's like oh like other people are
01:41:39here and they're real like they actually have their own consciousness but they're all here for
01:41:43me they're all here and then there starts to be like a kid and everyone smiles at you in the grocery
01:41:47story and it's oh everyone's doing their own thing they're not here for me but everyone likes me
01:41:50everyone's good everyone loves me you know and then you start to realize like oh i'm just a random
01:41:55person and like i'm not a kid anymore and people aren't like also the first existential crisis yeah
01:41:59five years old and actually the there's a lot of theories uh i forget who originally but it's you
01:42:04know this this oceanic feeling that you have when you think everyone is there for you and that
01:42:10everyone loves you and everyone knows you is some people get can cannot let that go and they're the
01:42:16the desire the deep desire some people have for fame is forever chasing oceanic yeah the oceanic
01:42:24feeling or uh is this feeling this like this you know that you're in this ocean of like love and
01:42:29and then later you feel this very cold loneliness and fame is like if i could be famous and everyone
01:42:34knows me again and everyone loves me and i'm admired you know and it's just and i think a lot of people
01:42:38have a real like 13 to 15 year olds have like this a lot of people go through i think i went through
01:42:43this at that age like this you want fame more than anything in the world because it's the ultimate like
01:42:48being popular in school but like it's like them you know and then most people grow out of that but i
01:42:52think some people don't to to your question about trainability i think i think it is trainable but
01:42:59different people have better raw materials or some people right it's like vertical jump muscle mass
01:43:05like sure you can improve on those metrics a lot with really thoughtful training and i think that's true
01:43:12but some people just get it and i think it goes beyond human to human interactions too right like i'm very
01:43:18uh very very interested in dog training and mammal training writ large actually goes beyond uh mammal
01:43:24training that's like a whole why uh because i think that it's interspecies communication however
01:43:34primitive it might be is fascinating in and of itself i think that i mean dogs in particular like the
01:43:40relationship between dogs and humans is kind of crazy like if you start to look past the familiarity of
01:43:47seeing dogs everywhere like yeah dogs you're like wait a second like think about how unusual it is
01:43:53that we have effectively co-evolved over time yeah there's an animal that lives in my house yeah
01:43:58it's an animal lives in your house actually like this is like this is like a companion slash guardian
01:44:02i grew up with four cats i look cats are great but like cats are animals that live in your house
01:44:06dogs are sort of in a separate category if they're trained uh and i think a certain different type of
01:44:12awareness and consciousness comes online for dogs vis-a-vis training as you develop kind of labels
01:44:20for different things uh so for for all of those reasons but it extends to equine training and how
01:44:27that could be apply like animal interactions to people with autism or ptsd like you see some wild stuff
01:44:33and this doesn't end up being limited to to to horses for instance in the case of the therapy you i've
01:44:41seen instances i volunteered at a uh wolf sanctuary in colorado for a period of time which is a long story
01:44:47but wolves that either been injured trapped by ranchers or raised in captivity which is a terrible
01:44:54idea please people don't get like wolf dogs or anything like that it's really it's really really
01:44:59awful on a lot of levels but uh there are these ambassador wolves that they have i think it's just
01:45:06called mission wolf in colorado if people want to look at it and possibly support it but uh these
01:45:11civilians can come in and visit and like donate money if they want and the ambassador wolves will go
01:45:17straight up to people who are seemingly having the most pain in the room it's weird no one it's weird
01:45:24yeah or the people who are most withdrawn like autistic and autistic kids and things like that and uh it
01:45:29just raises a lot of really fascinating questions i've seen i've seen some videos of dogs that are
01:45:34there to stop seizures if people are about to fall and have seizures maybe people have got epilepsy epilepsy
01:45:40and these dogs are giving us some pheromone they can use them for autoimmune disorders before
01:45:46someone has the collapse it's able to be there and it jumps up and because when they're shaking the dog
01:45:52sort of lies on them like a weighted blanket or make sure that they're not going to fall over
01:45:55and there was a woman that was taking some food i don't know why there's a video maybe it was a ring
01:45:59doorbell camera like internal doorbell camera or something and she's taking food out of the oven
01:46:04and the dog jumps up and pulls her back so you know when you sort of crouching down she's already
01:46:10halfway down grabs her in the back of the collar and pulls her to the ground and lies on her and she's
01:46:15fine and she's thinking what is this dog doing is it okay is this something that's going to go on
01:46:19and then seizure she has a seizure after the dog's been there so well insane so this raises yeah i mean
01:46:26if we want to get into like crazy town territory let's go let's go tim well i'll do let me let me
01:46:31do non-crazy town and then we'll segue to crazy town so the non-crazy town is the reason i bring up the
01:46:36dogs is that you will i i've noticed that the same people who have the highest eq around humans often
01:46:45have the highest eq around animals right so they like intuitively know how to interact with animals
01:46:52or be guarded around the right type of animals say a dog that's really quiet may actually be really
01:46:58afraid and could be aggressive or they can read that type of body language even though it's a different
01:47:03species whereas some people have no awareness right they'll walk up to a dog that is clearly
01:47:08uncomfortable and they'll come top down to like put their hand on the dog's head it's just like oh my god
01:47:12you're just asking for trouble or they're not paying any attention to their kids like why do so
01:47:17many little girls have dog bites on the faces because little boys are kind of assholes they like to like
01:47:21poke dogs and stuff but little girls like to hug dogs around the face and neck dogs don't like that
01:47:27right and parents aren't paying attention so it's not actually necessarily the dog's fault it's the
01:47:31parents fault so i think that eq is not limited to human to human um and that just relates to the
01:47:40theory of mind stuff which maybe maybe the theory might can be expanded to dogs are like a pattern
01:47:45recognition machines on four legs i once heard saying that's part of why i i think like i noticed with
01:47:51my dog like she can if i'm about to leave but i haven't even started getting ready yet she can tell
01:47:56something's different the way he's you know yeah um but but you know i i'm interested in dog training
01:48:01i'm not a good dog trainer my dog is not very well trained but i training a mammal will make you
01:48:09realize um an important skill which is uh you are a mammal and your brain if you treat treat your brain
01:48:18like a dog um and great things can happen you just become a behaviorist yeah well because you're you
01:48:25know this idea that well i'm a person it's like no no you have a you might be a person with like
01:48:29you know this higher consciousness in your head is a mammal brain and it's not that it teaches you
01:48:35about how to train yourself yes seinfeld talks about this in training his mind like a dumb little puppy
01:48:41yeah i shouldn't say dumb little puppy it's just like a blank slate puppy doesn't know what to do
01:48:46it's it's a primate brain we're all like this consciousness is stuck inside of a of an ancient
01:48:50primate i mean that's what it is and so it's like if you realize that and you're like like you said you
01:48:55want to have positive you want to have things on your desk that encourage i mean that's what is that
01:48:59that's because you're a dumb primate that is going to be the person sitting at the desk how else have
01:49:03you applied this behaviorist dog training lens to yourself i mean just just reward yeah yeah i mean really
01:49:12it's it's so i i should say like if we're talking about like bf skinner and skinner boxes like we're
01:49:16getting you can get into territory where you you don't you basically assume and i'm simplifying here
01:49:24that something does not exist if you can't observe it externally right but this is how you get into
01:49:29like oh animals don't feel pain oh bubble which by the way we assumed about infants for a very long
01:49:34time it's not that phrase not that long ago that people were operating on infants without anesthesia
01:49:38right crazy so uh i i mean there are there i i'm careful with the skinner stuff but when you
01:49:45get into like classical conditioning operant conditioning there's an amazing book called don't
01:49:49shoot the dog which has a terrible title maybe this is a good example of a book that failed don't shoot
01:49:55the dog but it's written by this woman karen prior who worked in training marine mammals right dolphins
01:50:02and so on and uh a lot i think she and her colleague also worked with the military like training cats like
01:50:09the military's trained cockroaches to like turn light switches on and off i mean this is this is not
01:50:14science fiction this is real stuff like a crazy town so it's like how do you do that right oh yeah i'm not
01:50:17even i'm just getting lined up oh yeah uh but this is well documented like that's that's not fiction
01:50:23um sidebar the mosquito-sized or the fly-sized drones out of china right i don't know if you guys have
01:50:28seen these videos holy shit terrifying yeah anyway yeah where's neil stevenson when you need him to make
01:50:34some predictions but um i took myself completely off the rails don't shoot the dog don't shoot the dog
01:50:42karen prior when you're training say a marine mammal right okay dolphin doesn't
01:50:47do what you want to do you can't hit it with a rolled up newspaper you can't chastise the
01:50:51dolphin just swims away from you right so you end up focusing on positive reinforcement right providing
01:50:58rewards for the behavior that you're trying to shape and behavioral shaping is also just an
01:51:03interesting concept i could explain in a second and she started using different auditory cues
01:51:10and that converted into clicker training for dogs so to teach a dog what to do or not do hang on
01:51:17sorry the training of dolphins is where the clicker for dogs comes from yes from aquatic mammals no
01:51:24way yeah because they would use we're clicking at dogs because we clicked at dolphins they used i think
01:51:29they used whistles but it's the same idea and because you're trying to indicate to this dog and this
01:51:36applies to humans too like what is the right behavior what is the wrong behavior but for instance like the
01:51:43dog shits in the house you come home two hours later and then you punish the dog it's so temporally
01:51:47dislocated the dog has no idea right it's it's not effective it's just going to make the dog less
01:51:55likely to offer behaviors because it doesn't know when it's going to get punished right uh and i look
01:52:01i understand approaches to e-collars and i think they have their place and so on but
01:52:05this is just to say that when you start digging into this and you start thinking about behavioral
01:52:11shaping so i'll give an example of behavioral shaping a simple example and look i'm not a
01:52:16professional dog trainer but i do find it really interesting so for instance if you're trying to get
01:52:20a dog to sit is really easy but if you have a treat right so you're using a lure and you start with a
01:52:28motion that's let's say the dog's right here it's standing and you do this you push it back behind
01:52:32its head it sits down to get its mouth closer to the tree right and then over time you lose the treat
01:52:39because now it has figured out how this dance works and then you get to a point where you're using like
01:52:44the international sign language for sit and then you're then you start to pair that with sit and then
01:52:51this and then you can actually remove the manual signal all together and just use the verbal cue
01:52:58right but if you're trying to get like a dog to turn around and do a spin which is more like a
01:53:01vanity trick than a safety thing or a functional thing but as soon as it turns slightly it might
01:53:08it's not going to get it on the first go around you click you give it a treat and so you're basically
01:53:13encouraging it to continue that behavior and you can shape really complex behaviors over time as long
01:53:20as you're not trying to boil the ocean at once so how does that pertain to humans all of it pertains to
01:53:25humans whether you're trying to train yourself whether you know as you're building a family you're thinking
01:53:30about you know like you're not going to crate train your kid although you kind of do i guess with the
01:53:35crib in a sense but uh i think a lot of this applies and people get upset and they're like oh
01:53:40my god i can't believe you're comparing a baby to a dog and i'm like guys evolutionarily speaking like
01:53:46we're not that different i mean there are some important differences and it's like yeah we've got more
01:53:51you know white matter and so on but don't breastfeed a dog yeah yeah
01:54:01yeah i've been fostering a dog for the last six months who uh was going to get euthanized she was
01:54:06on the she was on the street and so it's been so i've been very much in the thick of it with a dog
01:54:13that was effectively a wild animal wow off the streets uh a really adorable dog uh looks to be
01:54:20haven't done the genetic testing but like an anatolian shepherd mix so very tawny colored with
01:54:26a black muzzle uh this isn't the one that i meant no that's your the different dog different dog yeah
01:54:33the rear feet are slightly externally rotated so could be some great pyrenees in there but much
01:54:40smaller the anatolian shepherds can get huge they're found in turkey they're found in the
01:54:45the caucus region they can get up to like 150 pounds 200 pounds at least 150 they're huge she's a lot
01:54:53smaller she's about 60 pounds so i would guess that she's a mix with something else possibly german
01:54:59shepherd or belgian shepherd something like that uh but man when you're starting with something that is
01:55:06really feral it's different and what's the original dog trainer like the actual dog trainer is the dog's
01:55:14brain offering dopamine treats so when you give food it's not the food it's the dopamine hit that the
01:55:21brain gives that makes the dog one and so this is what before humans were there to train dogs animals
01:55:27across the animal kingdom for millions of years have been trained by their genes to act a certain way
01:55:35using dopamine treats yeah and then and so it's just and then so all we're doing is leveraging this
01:55:41system that's already in place in the dog's brain and we're saying oh we can we can get the brain to
01:55:45do a dopamine hit when for that and tie that that and then the dog can tie that hit to this behavior
01:55:52instead of the thing it's programmed to be tied to which is get food yeah so a big part of it is
01:55:56figuring out right because humans have been selectively breeding dogs into all these weird shapes for
01:56:00millennia yeah is what does this dog respond to yeah because some dogs are really food driven but then
01:56:07then your brain is also giving you dopamine treats sure and this is what social media platforms do
01:56:14is they are geared towards flooding your brain with dopamine treats when you give it attention and
01:56:20therefore add dollars well we also think of ourselves as like the masters of the universe but it's like to
01:56:26what extent did we domesticate certain plants and to what extent did they domesticate us
01:56:31total propagation right i mean it's like it's it's it's a fun question oh yeah more on the tumble
01:56:35down the well it's just yeah i mean it's it's just like if you look at like wheat corn soy etc i mean
01:56:41they've been very effective at propagating themselves as a species and i don't want to attribute like
01:56:47anthropomorphizing the wheat the wheat necessarily but just from an evolutionary imp just from an
01:56:55evolutionary and um sort of propagation imperative it's like how did they end up being so ubiquitous
01:57:03i just think it's a fun question to poke around when i was studying like history and you're looking
01:57:07at oh we domesticated not just plants we domesticated the horse we domesticated the dog
01:57:12um and now the cat the modern cow the modern you know house dog they couldn't survive in the wild
01:57:18because they've been domesticated so now they rely on this artificial structure and then i you know
01:57:24you read more about humans and oh what a civilization we domesticated ourselves yeah we cannot survive
01:57:30as if you bring us back to 50 000 bc pluck any i mean maybe you're like one of these people that might
01:57:36most of people i know we would die we don't we're not our natural habitat we cannot live in it just
01:57:41like the the maltese cannot live out in the natural wolf habitat habitat we can't live there because we
01:57:46domesticated ourselves and this is one of these weird things where we now live within this structure
01:57:51that we only can live in just like a house it's like a dog can only live in a human house a dog pet
01:57:57we can only live in this civilizational house uh none of us know how to again very few of us know how to
01:58:02hunt and and truly gather and do the things would that not be different slightly that we have like
01:58:08um genetically anatomically in terms of our features and our functions humans are not too dissimilar to
01:58:13what would have been around 50 000 years ago but dogs would be very different to what was around
01:58:18previously if we had been born back then yes culture would have been we haven't gone to the full extent
01:58:24that yes that that is that i mean i'm sure there are some little changes but yes like maybe we're less
01:58:28aggressive than we would need to be back then or something like that but you're right we haven't
01:58:32domesticated our biology but when we are now raised in this world we have totally domesticated ourselves
01:58:39psychologically and intellectually um and just in the skills we have uh and it just it kind of um
01:58:48you know it just it explains a lot and you then you see interesting clashes back in you know when
01:58:54first civilizations were developing where you have these wild people essentially um clashing with
01:59:01domesticated people and that doesn't always go you know sometimes that the weapons got good enough
01:59:05eventually that the domesticated people couldn't be with but for a long time these you know uh step
01:59:12hordes mongols and others you know that whatever they uh the huns and many many others um would come
01:59:18down with no technology at all but they were essentially wild people again they had a horseback
01:59:23archway yes they had horses they were pretty good they had horses but like on the wild to domesticated
01:59:27scale they weren't very far and when they would clash it wasn't just that they were really great with
01:59:34their weapons they had this level of kind of wild brutality and and you know which you know and kind
01:59:40of a lack of um um a civilizational notion of empathy for human lives or whatever are worth something i
01:59:48mean the mongols thought of humans as cattle as as another you know whatever killing them was not a
01:59:53moral wrong and that was this huge advantage so it's just interesting to like when you
01:59:58you know that this is what's scary it's very scary when you think about civilizational collapse
02:00:02talk about ai apocalypse things like this i mean what's scary is um just the power goes out that means
02:00:08the internet goes out i mean you'd see a lot of very domesticated people in a total chaotic situation
02:00:14and it would be yeah people lose the really quickly uh i was in uh san francisco and i was
02:00:21volunteering for something called nert which is the northern california emergency response team and it's a
02:00:26volunteer coalition of people who are distributed throughout in this case san francisco and it's done
02:00:33in collaboration with the police and fire department to train volunteers to respond in the case of
02:00:41a highly destructive earthquake or natural disaster of some type and i remember in the very beginning
02:00:50they effectively said okay sam the broader san francisco area has population of x whatever it was 1.2
02:00:56million people guess how many fire engines we have and they defined like what a fire engine was and so on
02:01:01they're like 10. okay so what happens if we have a conflagration which i think is a square block on fire
02:01:09of x magnitude and they're like you should expect to be without water and electricity in these following
02:01:15areas for this period of time like seven to ten days i remember i was living in glenn park in san francisco
02:01:24and pg and e had a rolling blackout i was like okay power's out and for like the first few hours people
02:01:30were like wandering around outside it was saturday and they're like hey your power out yeah wow wow nice
02:01:35to see you bob you know everyone's very civil and then it's like five or six hours and then people start
02:01:42to realize oh all of my food my freezer is going to thaw at some point and i think the water may have also
02:01:49been off and around like 10 hours post there's one guy in the neighborhood who had a little honda
02:01:56generator because he was a burner he went to burning man and he was like keeping his stuff frozen
02:02:01and one or two people wandered over and they're like hey joe could i borrow that after you're done
02:02:05with it clearly he's not gonna be done with it because he's using it and i think it was at like hour
02:02:1115 or 18 there was an entire throng of people who are these like hyper liberal peace you know live long
02:02:21and prosper live and let live types who are getting openly hostile about who would get to use his
02:02:26generator next this is less than 24 hours so the the basic courtesies of modern life fall away very
02:02:36quickly there's a whole wild person in every human yeah that is completely contained in a normal
02:02:42situation sometimes i'm in a coffee shop and i see all these people standing in line so and i just like
02:02:46suddenly have a split screen to like those people like stabbing each other for food and then i was
02:02:50like they come back here and i'm like you know it's a little like it's the the you know we're it's all
02:02:56fine when it's fine and you know i don't know so let me say a couple things real quick so
02:03:01this is going to sound strange not not to like defend uh you know genghis khan and and the step
02:03:07hordes but steelman pillaging for a second tent not not pillaging there's a book i won't recommend
02:03:13it to be by one of the i mean a name everybody would know uh there's a book called genghis khan in the
02:03:18making of the modern world it is remarked from like modern postal systems to infrastructure to really
02:03:26religious freedom they did kill and rape a lot of people um but uh that book is is worth reading
02:03:33especially the first half of it uh just to get a full grasp of the historic implications the
02:03:39second just to give an og podcast shout out uh wrath of the cons by dan carlin oh my god
02:03:46listen to every dan carlin episode i mean honestly still maybe the best no offense no offense
02:03:52best podcast of all time dan carlin hardcore history wrath of the cons it's like a five-part
02:03:56series each one is four to five hours long oh so it was so many not be bored you will rip through it
02:04:02they are i mean there's a whole other topic yeah but like the history of podcasts are one of my
02:04:07favorites and he is the the goat yeah i heard that he used to do them in a single take and if he
02:04:11messed up he'd just restart again oh god it wouldn't surprise me he's a perfectionist i mean that's why
02:04:15they took so long is he still doing i haven't seen i'm not sure but part of the reason i also love dan
02:04:21as an example is that wherever you are whenever you are you run into whatever industry these things
02:04:29that are taken to be true because they get repeated a lot right you have to post x times per week you
02:04:34have to do this you have to do that no one's going to listen to a podcast that's longer than 60 minutes
02:04:39and dan was like i'm going to do one six-hour podcast or five-hour podcast once every six months
02:04:46and he was top of the charts forever for years upon years not many people are doing a plus work and
02:04:52when you are none of those rules apply yes yeah the rules just didn't apply the best tagline that
02:04:57we found for this is there will always be room for better yeah yeah there will always be room yes
02:05:02it doesn't matter what the industry is uh you know uh you know it just it's something really great
02:05:07there's just not very much of it it doesn't matter how many podcasters there are very few people are
02:05:11doing a plus it feels like that's accelerating now that you because you have llms churning more
02:05:18out and you're gonna have more video models churning more out it feels that
02:05:24whether there's less quality today or is that it just feels maybe there's less quality relative to the
02:05:29the amount of quantity so it's also encouraging everyone to average back to the mean right it regresses the
02:05:34the aggregate of content that's being people get discouraged and think oh there's so much content
02:05:38like what's the point it's like no no if you can do something great it will just rise above
02:05:42this and the world will see it speaking of novel content the japan and usa algo crossover because
02:05:49of the translate mode that happened has resulted in some pretty spectacular outcomes none more so than
02:05:56kenki kids account have you seen this guy okay so he uh describes in his bio on x as a company employee
02:06:04living in yokohama's kanai area originally from yokohama born in 1985 currently 41 years old
02:06:10single 41 years with no girlfriend history non-appealing to the opposite sex unattractive
02:06:16amateur virgin like sex services hobbies are watching soccer overseas travel planning to retire early from the
02:06:21company age 50 has given up on marriage and is currently seeking a comfortable single life so
02:06:27it's interesting about this guy he's been tweeting about this one hell of a bio how did he end up
02:06:32picking so many characters i think you're able to compress things down on in japanese yeah pressing for a
02:06:37dog as well uh he's been tweeting about visiting different hand job parlors in japan and is using the
02:06:44the revenue paid out from x to fund his future trips he's essentially unlocked an infinite hand job glitch
02:06:50in reality chelsea supporter it's also just no one in in in the in the western world talks like this
02:06:55it's just a very specific like japanese uh so there's a quote tweet go to the quote tweet jared uh
02:07:02it's where he says today both my regular hand job spot and the married woman place are running discount
02:07:07events and i'm torn about which one to go to that's quote tweeted by an american saying americans be like
02:07:12i can't even get some chopped foyd from a dating app to go on a 250 date with me while the japan bros
02:07:18are like damn the hand job parlor and the milf joint are both on sale tonight i don't know which
02:07:22one to pick and he is using the x revenue in order to fund his hand job like the most honest man in
02:07:28the world it's unbelievable you set a calendar reminder for black friday
02:07:34hanky kids dude unbelievable yeah the crossover from uh american people finally being able to see
02:07:40japanese content on x has resulted i mean i i did love the i don't know if you've seen these split
02:07:45videos of like japanese cleaning the stadium after a game and nicks fans you brought this up yes even
02:07:51what's interesting when the japanese team played at wembley against england
02:07:56they cleaned the changing rooms afterwards the players even did it's completely different cultural
02:08:00difference what's interesting though is you have these languages merge online i'm assuming you're
02:08:04going to have podcasts language merge do you actually lose less um the cultural differences
02:08:10as much one of the reasons why japan is so unique is because they did that sakuka right where they
02:08:14whilst the rest of the world was all mixing ideas if you left japan killed if you tried to enter
02:08:20japan killed so it's so unique it's so alien it's like the galapagos of culture yes and i wonder what with
02:08:25that's a great way to put it yeah with the internet now do you actually have because i i can feel it
02:08:30already that english culture is becoming a bit more american or even like this internet culture it's
02:08:36not even american now it feels like it's post-american it's becoming more it's just global it's just the
02:08:41online culture the internet is like the anti- japanese isolationist culture effect yes much on the dark
02:08:48web and and then what's unfortunate is then what's nice is when you have all these independent
02:08:52cultures and each one does something really well and you can kind of when it all starts to blend you
02:08:56really lose the variety the variety is where like variety is the in both evolution and cultural
02:09:02evolution is the engine of creativity and growth and you know and it's it's like instead of having you
02:09:08know a bunch of different brains in a room brainstorming you just have kind of like one one thinker and
02:09:12it's it's a shame someone uh wrote a blog post a few years ago about where did emos and goths go
02:09:18and the question was that subcultures need time to ossify and if you've got this sort of global
02:09:24permaculture thing that's always moving and any bit that moves in one side of the membrane affects
02:09:29another bit over here it's like everybody being on a bouncy castle at the same time and somebody that
02:09:34jumps up and down over there impacts everybody else so you don't have time to silo off to create this
02:09:39sort of weird niche trends music tastes language now you see subcultures on the internet with language
02:09:46but very quickly like look at looks maxing all of that immediately now has become common vernacular
02:09:51because one part of the bouncy castle is now affecting me you know i'm just pulling from words you're
02:09:55throwing out you want a podcast name idea yes bouncy castle gangbang bouncy castle gangbang i'm actually
02:10:02not it's evocative it's very visual it's either that or fire up the autism engine it's one of those
02:10:08two it is visual yeah i'm why have you mentioned goths and emos then when was the last time you
02:10:15thought about goths and emails and i always ask chris this question i asked you two guys this which
02:10:20is when the fascinating thing about something fading away is that you don't notice it fading away because
02:10:25by definition it's fading away is there anything that's currently fading away or has faded away that you
02:10:30think we would have forgotten about until you mentioned it like a good example is the voicemail
02:10:35the voicemail if you watch i was watching breaking bad and the um there's about five minutes every
02:10:41episode of like a voicemail scene where it'll be the voicemail will be playing across the house
02:10:45and it's just disappeared it doesn't exist but nobody really discussed it because by definition if
02:10:50something's fading away yeah there's stuff that's fitting into like mullets
02:10:54mullets are back and oh that's very very bad mustaches came back
02:10:59yeah you you're actually only able to grow i don't know if i could make a well i can't do like the
02:11:04flat top mullet which would be my sort of like aspiration because i was just not going to work
02:11:11so i could do like a power donut rat tail power donut power donut power donut rat tail also not a
02:11:19bad podcast yeah that's true um yeah not a bad grinder name as well power donut power donut right
02:11:25yeah you know what i'm talking about right like professor x yeah that's that sounds like a wonderful
02:11:31couple that could be born out of grinder power donut and rat tail yeah yeah we'll get together very
02:11:34well i said what else have you brought from home you've got this bag i brought lots of stuff i'm
02:11:38going to throw out some fun stuff uh you're talking about like humans modern humans in the wild dead
02:11:43right domesticated dogs in the wild dead one exception if you take domestic domesticated pigs
02:11:49and release them into the wild they rapidly undergo physical and behavioral transformations within just
02:11:54a few months they develop thicker bristly hair longer snouts and tusks like they literally revert back
02:12:00into savage animals within months has anyone studied what's happening to them cool they call it phenotypic
02:12:07reversion wow and have you brought one there's a there's a small feral pig wild boar
02:12:14i brought a whole stack of things this is exciting oh wow and then uh so we can talk about these
02:12:20drugs you brought drugs i brought drugs uh so this this one is i'm still like juries out but
02:12:28the data are are pretty interesting this is so this is av mccall i know exactly what this is you know
02:12:34what this is so some people have heard of something called sulforaphane and i'm going to pull this
02:12:40up so i don't misquote here uh let's see if i can find it bear with me here i love when my uh
02:12:48autistic newsfeed and tim's autistic newsfeed come together they merge together yeah so all right
02:12:56just say it just go get him to get you on what's that carry on he needs he needs more frosty beverages
02:13:03yeah okay so this this stuff so sulforaphane people might have heard about like broccoli sprouts were
02:13:08kind of making the rounds a couple of years ago and i think rhonda patrick uh should be giving credit
02:13:14for bringing this to light for a lot of folks and this does not contain sulforaphane itself but a
02:13:22precursor and an enzyme so your body then produces sulforaphane and i'll explain why i'm bringing this
02:13:28up because i i've been taking this for probably nine months and predominantly because there is some
02:13:37possibility that it could help with mitigating the risk of neurodegeneration uh so that that's again
02:13:45whether it's the xylitol or this stuff having multiple family members with alzheimer's uh i'm
02:13:50paying a lot of attention to prevention you'll have done your uh genetic testing as well right
02:13:56oh yeah yeah cool yeah uh what's what's interesting is is quite a few people in my family and i know this
02:14:01isn't the only risk factor but they're apo e33 which should be the lowest risk at of uh alzheimer's
02:14:09could be protected and yet so there's other dysfunction uh and in this case you know sulforaphane
02:14:15reliably activates nrf2 related pathways in humans all right so the it's promising but not proven slowing
02:14:23aging preventing cancer preventing dementia extending lifespan treating crock disease it's basically
02:14:28detoxification but the re the reason i brought it is that my supplement regimen has been very consistent
02:14:35for at least two or three years and i do constant blood tests and so on just did a blood draw this
02:14:41morning actually and in the last maybe six months i've been getting could be coincidence but more
02:14:49compliments and questions about my skin than ever before and i was like what is going on is this just
02:14:54coincidence or is something going on and so i looked at the two things that i've added to say curiosity
02:15:01nothing new otherwise i was like okay diet's the same there is the avmacol and then there is your
02:15:07urolithanae and timeline timeline and uh and it turns out that it is plausible that this stuff
02:15:17helps with skin tone rhonda's thing was that was for microplastics right second yeah well yeah i mean
02:15:24there's there's a bunch that it does but yes like did you see so i brought this up last time but i didn't
02:15:28get a chance to actually say it i had it ready for last time so the microplastics numbers were wrong
02:15:33the gloves were the source so the university of michigan researchers just amended a core consumption
02:15:39assumption uh about microplastic science latex and nitrile gloves worn by the scientists doing the
02:15:44measuring shed steroid particles that look chemically identical to polyethylene polyethylene oops standard
02:15:52infrared and ramen instruments couldn't tell them apart the gloves were counting as plastic so you know that
02:15:58every american consumes a credit card sized amount of microplastics every year like when you pick up
02:16:06the little petri dish to because it's human blood and feces and tissue samples and stuff they're picking
02:16:11it up but the way that it bends the reason that gloves are able to bend is that tiny teeny teeny tiny
02:16:16tiny bits break off that's why it's malleable and they switched from that to some other type of glove
02:16:21and it just went through the floor i like that i was happy to see that all the microplastics research
02:16:27looks like it could be wrong wow that's not to say that we're not consuming we probably are but the
02:16:31numbers i think are a hundred credit card doesn't sound that bad i mean i'll eat a credit card once a
02:16:35year how bad could it be just i'd front load it i'd get it all done january 1st just get the amex in
02:16:42yeah kind of grind it up so just to be clear not a doctor don't play one on the internet this this
02:16:46stuff right the avmacol biologically plausible reasonably safe interesting human data but not
02:16:50yet a slam dunk clinical intervention but still interesting because it activates your own
02:16:56detoxification pathways as opposed to being an external antioxidant they consume so the sort of
02:17:02hormetic stress response could be really interesting and have broader benefits so that's why you do have
02:17:07cred with these kind of things because you're like annoyingly healthy looking you're like the
02:17:10healthiest looking person thank you you seem very like robust and unsickly all the time thank you
02:17:16yeah i'll be 50 50 before you know it which is crazy yeah the key is to go bald early so your photos look
02:17:23remarkably similar uh i think as you get older bald is an asset you end up like it's hard to age you
02:17:30yeah no exactly that's what i'm saying people oh here's the giveaway yeah if you're trying to do
02:17:33like the dead squirrel comb over or whatever white knuckling dead giveaway uh should i talk about these
02:17:39things real quick yeah so uh i have when i was a kid i collected i mean comic books i was kind of my
02:17:45first business was buying and selling comic books wanted to be a comic book penciler forever um was
02:17:51an illustrator throughout school paid a lot of my bills in college as an illustrator so i love graphic
02:17:56novels and what i found as i'm being domesticated not domesticated but trained through llms and everything else to have
02:18:08uh shorter and shorter attention span effectively right i'm trying to offset that but another
02:18:15insight that i've had for me personally i am and we talked about the uh
02:18:19aphantasia i guess it was and hyper visualization i'm so visual that often as i read or even if i
02:18:27meditate we could talk about how meditation factors into this but i'm conjuring these images constantly
02:18:34which can be very distracting conjuring what images and just visualization in my head or scenes or whatever
02:18:39like there's constantly and as i'm here there's like another movie playing in my mind it's like
02:18:44watching like two screens with different movies like all the tend to be like a past event or a future
02:18:50event or is it completely could be that it could be just random bits and bobs uh so i've taken to going
02:18:58back to graphic novels because once you are reading a story with visual accompaniment it occupies that
02:19:05part of my brain and i just love graphic novels so i thought i would share after reading like dozens
02:19:10and dozens over the last couple years some of my favorites this is something is killing the children
02:19:15real uplifting uh this is going to be made into a very expensive series by netflix but basic premise the
02:19:22artwork is amazing story is really fun and basic premise is monsters are real only children can
02:19:28see them and there are these cabals of of monster hunters it's like a it's a beautifully simple
02:19:35premise and it's very light yeah it's uh it's it's it's great if you're into the sci-fi stuff
02:19:42this is lazarus um which is kind of a post-apocalyptic um
02:19:50these cartel like families run giant swaths of the united states in the world it's about their kind
02:19:58of geopolitical battles and how technology factors into it uh if you want something more fantasy uh and
02:20:06this this gets into some deep psychological terrain and inner turmoil but it also throws in lots of
02:20:13fantasy tropes so it's kind of like fantasy plus a bit of steampunk monstrous which just based on the
02:20:20the cover i was like i'm not going to like this at all uh in full uh disclosure i like the first maybe
02:20:26like 200 pages the most of what i read uh but the the testimonials and stuff are insane so this is
02:20:31another one that is beautiful i tend to be very biased towards the stuff with really gorgeous penciling
02:20:38day tripper this is from brazil and is does not have any sci-fi any fantasy it's sort of a reflection on
02:20:48mortality it's about this young man who has a star author as a father who's whose shadow he's constantly
02:20:56living in who as his job writes obituaries at a local newspaper but it gets much more interesting so
02:21:01how long like does that take you to read compared to like a book how many pages how many page book is
02:21:06that yeah this you'll rip through this which is part of the reason why i'd say like if you're gonna get
02:21:10like this is 250 pages i read this in three hours yeah i like that yeah you get through it very quickly
02:21:17it's also an expensive habit if you're using hard copy right i mean this is gonna be 20 25 bucks as
02:21:24someone who takes forever to do the simplistic drawing and granted these people are far more talented
02:21:28artists like i mean i mean today maybe they're using ai but like when i look at this i'm like no these are
02:21:34all it's so just this one picture yeah yeah the artwork in all of these is tremendous amazing have you ever
02:21:41read a comic book not in a while yeah this was a child yeah yeah i've never basically never yeah yeah
02:21:47yeah i mean there's something i could get into it there are some iconic uh calvin and hobbes i used to
02:21:53calvin hobbes is amazing look i mean sandman there's some real like genre busting yeah graphic novels
02:22:01this one is from france ama which i'm currently reading really deeply philosophical very psychedelic
02:22:08this one also gets pretty trippy as you would guess by the name uh what i'd suggest so this is
02:22:13impossible to get as a hard copy it's very very challenging just get the kindle get the kindle
02:22:18versions and kindle or i should say amazon acquired a company that allows you to read these
02:22:22graphic novels panel by panel and it has this like zooming in zooming out function that is beautifully
02:22:28designed that's why they put the new uh full color kindle together i think to try and encourage people
02:22:32to get oh it's beautiful and i'll actually i'll actually just bode well for all of my yeah the
02:22:37the graphics the graphic novels are not easy to read on mobile but on say laptop or ipad or something
02:22:44what i want is and i don't know if it would apply to this but for my books and for a lot of others
02:22:48have a lot of visuals is i want audio i want audible or some to be like you're you're listening and then
02:22:54it's like ding and you look and the screen just has the current drawing the current uh image and then
02:22:58so easy and then you put you see you put it back in your pocket and it's like ding oh there's a graph
02:23:01yeah yeah right and it's why why supplementing materials here's your attached pdf yeah such a game
02:23:07chain from yeah that's what i do it's attached from pdf it sucks uh i've got into dungeon crawler carl
02:23:12have you read this book that's a fun one fuck me it's a fun one it's i mean so red red rising is
02:23:19the most addictive fiction series that i've found pretty much ever and they're about to release
02:23:23pierce is about to release book eight i think soon uh and i got told you know when you get a book
02:23:29suggestion from two or three different people who don't know each other yeah all right i just yeah
02:23:33obviously need to do that i've triangulated they've triangulated me as a and uh even the second
02:23:38recommendation i'm like okay yeah dungeon crawler carl so it's a lit rpg literary rpg so you're
02:23:44basically reading imagine somebody played a video game and you read a description of what happened
02:23:52that's kind of what it's like and it is unbelievable and this guy is on book eight or nine now and he
02:23:59released the first one in 2020 yeah when are the what and i remember the number of reviews was insane
02:24:05it's it's wild this the dungeon crawler carl for me is up there with red rice very different it's very
02:24:12edgy uh it's really light-hearted and fun like it's there's a lot of inner monologues there's
02:24:19interplay you can tell that the story is going to get huge and unwieldy there's progress what's
02:24:24interesting is because he's leveling up he's playing the game or he is the game and uh as he
02:24:28goes along he levels up skills and he's got to make a choice between which class he wants to be
02:24:32or this one and he do i want to make this particular sacrifice in terms of my strength and my dexterity
02:24:37or my intelligence or what should we upgrade this pet that we've got as and what armor should i put on
02:24:42and you'd think oh that sounds so dry and boring but it is it's got me it's got me we were watching
02:24:48the same thing that makes those games addictive to play probably right without feeling watching
02:24:52someone upgrade yeah whilst getting to read 82 000 reviews on amazon 4.7 stars goodreads is 427
02:25:01000. it's insane it's really since 2020. yeah it's it's pretty fun i only got through book one and i
02:25:08enjoyed it um so i didn't make it i don't know how you stopped at book one yeah he was about to choose
02:25:14his class how did you stop at book one i know what have you been reading recently anything good um
02:25:18so i i i've for a long time i've been alternating between like because for for my writing i'm
02:25:23constantly reading like non-fiction history or science you know whatever things like that
02:25:29i'm for for right now i'm just reading a book called um uh what's it called something with time
02:25:36by uh carlo revelli yes the order of things the order of time yeah um oh my god dude the audio
02:25:44i would listen to him read anything so benedict cumberbatch is so good and he's reading it and
02:25:51that's a book where talk about like people who listen to books on like 2x or whatever i want to
02:25:54do that in like 0.4x because i have to constantly pause and just like think about what he just said
02:25:59and then i go back i i'm going through this short four hour book over like so slow but that's for work
02:26:05that's like for my book um i usually alternate between like history podcasts and sci-fi uh those are my
02:26:11right now so i read the first book in the um expanse series uh which i i liked i didn't love i liked so i
02:26:18didn't keep going um and then i read my my wife like an instagram post of her favorite over the
02:26:26books she read in the year with the favorite to the least favorite stacked and i i usually don't cross
02:26:31over that much but i was like that top one it's their top book so i read it and it was so good it was
02:26:35called a fraction of the whole by steve toltz he's this australian author takes place in australia
02:26:41and it is so funny and it's such an adventure and it's this just fantastic fiction book um and uh
02:26:48it's not that well known and it was just such a joy and i was like that's a i would never have just
02:26:53picked that up on my own but i i loved that um and then um and then i um more recently obviously i read
02:27:01the whole three body problem trilogy which is by the way an example of one of those times when i
02:27:06couldn't do that either you know oh really oh no here again i love the bailed out let me tell you
02:27:11let me just this is very important so that there's three there's three books the first book is only a
02:27:15sixth of the length of the whole thing because the second and third book are much longer the first book
02:27:19is a b b plus it's it's the it's the appetizer to the whole thing the second book the first third
02:27:26of it is slow so it is it's really if you don't lose people there you're gonna lose people there
02:27:30when you get 200 pages into the second book the rest no no no no i know that sounds bad remind
02:27:37i'm right this is 1400 pages 75 this is 400 1400 pages the series and you're only 500 total pages
02:27:44and now the next 900 pages is the greatest thing i've ever read it's the biggest adventure and it's not
02:27:49like the first part's bad it's just a little slow and it's then it it just takes you on this ride
02:27:55you've never been i so if you haven't gotten this it's so worth i'm halfway through the first book
02:28:02and i'm not kidding it's taking me 10 attempts just just just i need to grind it out you got you have
02:28:07to my my thought process with things like this and particularly as i'm writing now good news this takes
02:28:11an hour yeah great i like high octane and maybe it's just like my standard as a writer that i try and
02:28:17apply to somebody else but i'm like why did you have to wait to this two and a half pages why like if you
02:28:22watch breaking bad the first scene of breaking bad some trousers land in an air there's an rv driving
02:28:29walter white's got a mask on with three people passed out looking dead in the back and he's got
02:28:34a gun in his pocket that comes out in the first five minutes that's what i want i don't listen that's
02:28:39ideal that's ideal uh in this case first of all it's like once you get to the end you also like the
02:28:46beginning has more meaning to you i totally agree and but it's this has managed to be so popular
02:28:51despite the things i'm saying yeah yeah yeah um and this is by the way an example of an author who
02:28:56actually i think didn't do a great job with the title which was not three body problem the title is
02:29:03remembrance of earth's past that's the title of the full series and no one knows that because
02:29:08basically readers were like we're going to pretend you didn't say that we're going to come up with a
02:29:12little bit like game of thrones they didn't name game of thrones a song of fire and ice which is the
02:29:16actual title they're like game of thrones the first book that's going to be the title of the whole
02:29:20thing because it's it's just i like when a certain you know the fans kind of decide for you that we're
02:29:24not gonna it's interesting when something succeeds and then the real like nuanced conversation is how
02:29:31much of it succeeded despite yes because often you could look at steve jobs and go the answer is
02:29:38turtlenecks and carrot juice but i mean those are either either completely irrelevant or in despite of
02:29:44and it tends to be like one power law and my correlation that causes yes yeah and that's a real
02:29:50constant iq test yes so you're saying three body problem could be your vote for book that succeeded
02:29:56in spite of a bad real title and and a slow first 500 pages of the 1400 i mean i've never read dune but
02:30:03i've heard that dune goes real so my problem is i just stuck with the first one yeah i read the first
02:30:08dune it was good enough after three body problem to me it's just like i read six ian banks books from
02:30:13the culture series and they were really good it's just i it'll never make what makes it so good the
02:30:20the three body problem yeah it the i mean i think i think dune is i think dune is a masterpiece right
02:30:25i think herbert was a genius the writing is not great it's very like kind of just like literal no
02:30:31it's not funny it had to be translated as well too it had to be translated the characters are super
02:30:36like boring people like plain you know there's no character development this is a three-by-roll yes
02:30:42you're selling me well the plot the plot is the best plot i've ever read in my life for anything
02:30:50it is the most gripping rich plot and the concepts in the plot are so mind-bending and delicious and
02:30:58everything that i've ever thought was cool you know how like interstellar which i don't think was actually
02:31:02that great a movie but they had some killer concepts like you go to this planet and and time is different
02:31:07and you come back and your seven-year-old daughter or whatever is is 25 and it's like
02:31:11whoa right it has so much of things like that like the coolest thing i've ever heard like he now weaves
02:31:17it into the plot um and and and again it's really one big game theory i don't want to blow it for
02:31:22anyone but like in the first you know two you know 20 of the very first book the the plot is launched
02:31:28and it's one it's not a bunch of things it's one thing happens in the early part of the first book
02:31:33and then the rest of the book is basically playing out game theory what would happen how could this
02:31:39play out and it's 1400 pages of this is one story that's happening this one thing that happens
02:31:44and then what goes on from there so i just think anyone who likes sci-fi or like space or like
02:31:50just uh it is you got to get through and so the first book the first book in the series is three
02:31:58bodies three called three body crawl and then there's the dark forest and then death's end and
02:32:02again once the dark forest is one of my favorite books of all time and the death end is also one of
02:32:06my these are like two of my favorite absolute books and again people also it's like oh the first book
02:32:11is slow but that's only a sixth of the whole series so yeah that's what i would say well i mean
02:32:14seven eves by neil stevenson the moon explodes in the first line the first line of the book the moon
02:32:19explodes i love that it was it was something like it was just after midday on a sunday when the moon
02:32:24exploded that's the first line of the book wow it's pretty good boys i appreciate you all you're all
02:32:29fucking awesome tim you're going traveling for a bit so i'm not going to see you for a while
02:32:32yeah what have you got going on where should people go to keep up to date with the
02:32:35shit that you've got happening uh just go to tim.blog just put up a blog post talking about how
02:32:40non-fiction is imploding thanks to very good if you want to see real sales numbers on disruption
02:32:46that's there yeah tim.blog sign up for the newsletter tim.blog slash friday it's got two
02:32:51million subscribers it's fun it's free um so right until my book is out uh that can't no one can buy
02:32:57that so um that's fall of 27 so for well i'll be who knows um wakebuttwide.com is my homeland on the
02:33:06internet and all my posts are up and they're usually pretty evergreen so that's still fun i think um but
02:33:12likewise i would say newsletter is the thing to do because i don't post that often and i only send an
02:33:19email out when i post something so it's not annoying and i always encourage people to
02:33:24get on board there uh highagency.com forward slash books um find out about oblamov who i spoke last
02:33:31time my 400 page russian novel where a man spends the first 50 pages worrying about how he's gonna get
02:33:37out of bed now that's a having just criticized a man yeah read it read it and see like it watch oblamov
02:33:44sit there the most exciting time in bed all right my beauties i appreciate you all i'll see you again
02:33:48soon thank you let's go boys yes there we go all right time is that fun as yeah yeah boom good job
02:33:56everyone this the amount of treats was such a i had so much fun these are incredible thank you um
02:34:03take some away yeah they're fine take some away that was so much fun congratulations you made it to the
02:34:08end of a full podcast episode you are not so tick tock brain that you've completely dissolved into nothingness
02:34:15why not watch another one right go on press it

Key Takeaway

Deep, effective work stems from adopting high-agency constraints, such as using idea handles to compress complex concepts and treating one's own brain like a trainable mammal through behavioral reinforcement.

Highlights

  • South Korea failed to boost birth rates with a $2 billion stimulus, likely because security deposits for housing often require 12 months of rent.

  • The Black Hole Era of the universe lasts 10^106 years, a timeframe so vast it would require 1.4 billion observable universes packed with paper to represent it.

  • Jonathan Haidt's research on social media and adolescent mental health has driven measurable state-by-state legislative changes.

  • Individuals can effectively treat their brains like animals through behavioral shaping using positive reinforcement and dopamine rewards rather than punishment.

  • Writing or speaking instead of ruminating internally activates different parts of the brain, allowing for faster problem-solving.

  • The Three Body Problem book series spans 1,400 pages, with the first 500 pages serving as a slow appetizer for 900 pages of advanced sci-fi plotting.

Timeline

Systemic barriers to birth rates and societal norms

  • Hair loss treatment subsidies fail to address core reasons for declining birth rates in South Korea.
  • High housing costs, specifically security deposits equal to 12 months of rent, prevent young people from starting families.
  • K-pop stars are contractually prohibited from having relationships, impacting cultural birth rate norms.

The discussion challenges simple solutions for complex demographic problems. It highlights that in South Korea, systemic financial hurdles like massive apartment security deposits create insurmountable obstacles for family planning. Furthermore, cultural exports like K-pop incentivize childless lifestyles among role models, while alternative interventions range from religious commitment to individualistic approaches like mass sperm donation.

Historical allegories and unconventional writing habits

  • World War I can be allegorically described as a brawl at a Denny's restaurant.
  • Blog post lengths can balloon to 40,000 words when the subject demands deep thoroughness.
  • Elon Musk provided exclusive access to SpaceX and Neuralink because the writing style resonated with his vision.

The section focuses on techniques for distilling history and complex science into engaging stories. By using relatable analogies like a restaurant brawl, historical events become more accessible than traditional textbook accounts. The process of writing also shows how extreme constraints or external pressure, such as Musk's public deadlines, can force productive, high-volume creative output.

Existential scale and deep time

  • The Black Hole Era lasts 10^106 years, exceeding the timeline of the universe's earlier stages.
  • Supervoids up to a billion light-years across challenge the uniformity of the cosmic microwave background.
  • Mitochondrial health impacts muscle strength and recovery, requiring cellular support through compounds like urolithin A.

Explorations into the universe's long-term future reveal unfathomable timescales. Using visual metaphors, such as packing observable universes with ribbon, helps contextualize the vastness of the Black Hole and Dark Eras. These existential perspectives often act as a 'cozy' psychological tool, reducing the importance of immediate, day-to-day problems.

Mental frameworks for learning and productivity

  • The Power of 10 film serves as a meditative tool to visualize one's cosmic insignificance.
  • Schools often teach simple, incorrect stories first to build conceptual foundations before introducing nuance.
  • Social media bans for under-16s represent a necessary guardrail for technology developed without initial safety standards.

Techniques for perspective and learning are analyzed, including the use of cosmic zooming and 'cosmic insignificance therapy.' The section critiques the front-loading of complex existential threats to young children, suggesting that generalized optimism is a better starting point for agency. It also supports age-gating social media, comparing the lack of digital guardrails to releasing cigarettes without health warnings.

Optimizing daily habits and behavioral shaping

  • Xylitol is a compelling intervention for oral health and preventing cavities.
  • Kinesthetic movement, such as walking or using a fidget toy, helps occupy the 'monkey mind' during creative flow.
  • Speaking or writing effectively 'sobers up' thinking compared to internal rumination, which is limited by working memory.

Practical tools for high performance include using xylitol for oral hygiene and haptic HRV sensors for resonance breathing. The section explores why movement aids cognition, noting that kinesthetic activity occupies distracting cognitive faculties. By adopting a behaviorist mindset, individuals can train themselves similarly to how marine mammal trainers shape complex behaviors in dolphins.

Terminology and the psychology of influence

  • Naming concepts, like 'the dark playground' or 'tell adultery,' acts as an idea handle that can change cultural discourse.
  • Most important life decisions, such as picking a life partner, are often subject to analysis paralysis.
  • The 'tail end' of relationships with parents suggests that most in-person time with them occurs during childhood.

Coining terms provides powerful mental models for human behavior. Examples like 'tell adultery' or 'advice hyper-responders' compress massive ideas into usable language. The section also covers the 'tail end' framework, which encourages high-priority action by quantifying the limited amount of time remaining in personal relationships.

Cultural trends and final recommendations

  • The Three Body Problem series is a masterpiece of game-theory plotting despite a slow start.
  • Phenotypic reversion occurs in pigs released into the wild, showing rapid behavioral and physical changes.
  • Self-awareness is the highest leverage skill, though it can become restrictive if pursued to an extreme.

Final discussions touch on the 'wild person' contained within domesticated humans, revealed during emergencies like rolling blackouts. Recommendations for reading include 'Awareness' by Anthony de Mello, 'Dungeon Crawler Carl' for its addictive litRPG structure, and the 'Three Body Problem' for its gripping plot. The video concludes by emphasizing that greatness exists where others fail, particularly in the quality of long-form, thoughtful content.

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