00:00:00- This is how every indie hacker should grow their apps.
00:00:03- This is Mickey,
00:00:04a guy from Spain who launched his app just seven months ago.
00:00:07And today he's already making over $40,000 a month.
00:00:11- This app was profitable from day one.
00:00:13- But here's what he did different.
00:00:15He didn't chase TikTok trends
00:00:17or spend years building a personal brand.
00:00:19He did it all through a single channel, Google.
00:00:22- Google still works today if you take this approach.
00:00:25- So I brought Mickey onto the channel
00:00:27to break it all down for us, and in this episode,
00:00:30we'll dive into what every builder gets wrong
00:00:32about distribution, the right combination
00:00:35of organic and paid Google search,
00:00:37and the exact five-step playbook he used
00:00:40to hit $40,000 MRR in less than a year.
00:00:42This one is gonna be fun.
00:00:44Let's dive in.
00:00:45I'm Pat Walls, and this is "Starter Story."
00:00:47All right, real quick before we dive in,
00:00:52Mickey is about to break down how he broke 40K a month
00:00:55using Google search, but if you're watching this
00:00:58and thinking, "I wanna build something,
00:01:00but I don't have an idea yet,"
00:01:01well, I've got a free template that will help you find one.
00:01:04Link is right down there in the description,
00:01:06but more on that later.
00:01:08All right, Mickey, welcome to the channel.
00:01:09Tell me about who you are, what you built,
00:01:11and what's your story.
00:01:12- Hey, Pat, I'm Mickey.
00:01:13I'm the founder of LATE, social media API that helps brands
00:01:17schedule and automate content across multiple platforms.
00:01:20We went from zero to 30K MRR in just seven months
00:01:23by focusing on Google search ads.
00:01:25- All right, cool.
00:01:26Well, I'm really excited to talk about it.
00:01:28We're gonna talk a lot about Google today,
00:01:29which I love and I'm very excited about.
00:01:31But first, before we do that, I wanna understand,
00:01:32what did you build?
00:01:33What's your product?
00:01:34What's the pricing model?
00:01:35How does it work?
00:01:36- So LATE is a social media API.
00:01:38What we do is wrap around the official APIs,
00:01:41Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn.
00:01:44We go through all the platform permissions.
00:01:47We basically pay for the highest plans
00:01:50so that you have access to all the features available.
00:01:53And we hand it to you in a single API
00:01:56that basically has access to everything and without limits.
00:02:01We charge our users for connected accounts.
00:02:04Basically, we have three plans.
00:02:05We have to build so the users can just start building
00:02:08their integrations.
00:02:09We go through accelerate for more accounts.
00:02:11Then our limited plan allows you to connect
00:02:14as many accounts as you want.
00:02:16So currently, we just crossed 40K MRR.
00:02:19We started around seven months ago.
00:02:21So we have been growing pretty fast.
00:02:24And well, the first clients started landing
00:02:26around August last year.
00:02:28And today we just crossed 40K MRR.
00:02:31So our total signups are 50K since launch.
00:02:34We have more than 700 paying users for now.
00:02:38And our churn rate is less than 10%.
00:02:40- That is pretty amazing.
00:02:42You were able to do 40K MRR in really less than a year.
00:02:45That's really, really impressive.
00:02:46I'm excited to talk all about Google and how you did that.
00:02:49But before we do, I wanna understand how you get here.
00:02:52What were you doing before?
00:02:53Why did you decide to build a SaaS business?
00:02:55How do you get here?
00:02:56- Yeah, before late, I spent over five years
00:02:59experimenting with startups.
00:03:00I started an online tech company
00:03:02called U Academy here in Spain.
00:03:04We raised venture capital
00:03:06and today has more than 100 employees.
00:03:08So around a year ago, I got deeper into building SaaS products
00:03:12and recognized a gap in the market.
00:03:14There was no simple affordable API for social media automation
00:03:18and while most tools were either too expensive,
00:03:20too complicated or lacked good documentation
00:03:23which is essential for developers.
00:03:24So while this led to the idea of building Lait,
00:03:27an API first platform designed to be a developer family,
00:03:30I started spending my time on proven channels
00:03:33like SEO and paid ads, which is basically what has allowed us
00:03:37to hit 40K MRR in seven months.
00:03:39- Okay, cool.
00:03:40So we're not even gonna talk today much
00:03:41about how you built or anything like that
00:03:43'cause I don't think it's all that important.
00:03:44You have a really cool approach here
00:03:45where you basically said, I can build this.
00:03:47All I wanna do is focus on distribution,
00:03:49focus on how this thing can grow and it did.
00:03:51It got to 40K MRR in less than a year.
00:03:54What was a high level of strategy that you had
00:03:56when you went into this and you decided to build this?
00:03:58What was your plan to grow it quickly?
00:04:00- So basically we saw that social media is noisy,
00:04:03it's oversaturated and while organic reach
00:04:06is dead for most businesses
00:04:08and it's very, very difficult to work on it,
00:04:10there are people that are actively searching
00:04:12for social media scheduling API or Twitter automation tool.
00:04:16They have a 10X higher intent to buy.
00:04:19So we are actually here capturing the intent
00:04:22that already exists rather than they are trying to create it
00:04:25through viral content.
00:04:26We focus 100% on high intent channels
00:04:29like SEO and goal search ads
00:04:30because they have predictable unit economics
00:04:33and don't depend on lack or trends.
00:04:35And we use data from both channels
00:04:37to optimize landing pages, messaging,
00:04:40and we reinvest all our revenue into scaling what works.
00:04:44- Mickey's story is just insane.
00:04:46Zero to $40,000 a month in just seven months
00:04:49is crazy impressive.
00:04:51But here's what happens when you get to this sort of level.
00:04:53Once you start having to close bigger customers,
00:04:55things start to get tricky.
00:04:56It's not just about whether your app works or not.
00:04:58These customers wanna know
00:04:59if you're SOC 2 or ISO 27001 compliant.
00:05:03And if you can't say yes, the deal is probably dead.
00:05:06This is why we partnered with Vanta on this video.
00:05:09Vanta automates the painful parts of compliance
00:05:11so you can keep scaling instead of drowning in paperwork.
00:05:14It hooks right into your stack, runs continuous checks,
00:05:17and keeps all the evidence clean for the auditors.
00:05:20Vanta handles it so you can stay in growth mode.
00:05:23Over 14,000 companies like Ramp and Rider
00:05:26already use Vanta to prove security in real time.
00:05:29And right now, Vanta is offering $1,000 off
00:05:32for starter story viewers.
00:05:33So if you're scaling fast and want to land customers
00:05:36without the compliance headache,
00:05:37check out Vanta at the first link in the description.
00:05:40Huge thank you to Vanta for this partnership.
00:05:42Let's get back to the episode.
00:05:44Okay, yeah, and that's a really, really good insight
00:05:47is a lot of people think when they get started,
00:05:49I need to figure out 10 different channels.
00:05:50I can have to do Reddit, I gotta do organic social,
00:05:53I gotta do a waiting list, I gotta do all these things.
00:05:55I think smart founders like you pick one channel,
00:05:57then maybe pick a couple ideas of what could work,
00:05:59but then if something sort of starts working,
00:06:01they go all in on one channel, they get it to 40K MRR,
00:06:04and then like you said, you get it to a million ARR.
00:06:07That I think is the right way of thinking about channels.
00:06:10So let's talk about the channel that truly worked for you,
00:06:12which was Google.
00:06:14I know there was a little bit of organic,
00:06:15but then also you were running paid ads as well.
00:06:18Let's do a deep dive into this one channel
00:06:20that worked for you.
00:06:21- So for Google, basically we create content on a website
00:06:25that is useful for our users or our target users.
00:06:29And some of these gets on Google and ranks organically,
00:06:33and some of it, it doesn't rank, so we run ads for it.
00:06:36So basically it's the same content
00:06:38that is useful for both purposes.
00:06:40Obviously we prefer it if the pages show up
00:06:43for the organical searches, but sometimes it's not possible.
00:06:47That's when we run ads on it.
00:06:49- Okay, I like that.
00:06:50So really you're just writing one article
00:06:52or lots of articles that can organically rank,
00:06:54and then you can run paid again.
00:06:56So you only really have to do one sort of action.
00:06:58Let's dive into the organic stuff.
00:07:01Can you break down what works on the organic side?
00:07:04- Basically for the organic side, we just focus
00:07:07on very bottom of the funnel keywords.
00:07:09We use tools like Ahrefs to find keywords
00:07:12with 300, 800 monthly searches that have low competition,
00:07:16but that they are very, very high intent.
00:07:18We just target terms like social media API,
00:07:21scheduling API for Twitter, and things like that.
00:07:23Then we create content.
00:07:24We write in-depth guides that answer the user's intent.
00:07:28For example, how to scale on Instagram posts automatically.
00:07:31And we also try and maintain a clean site structure,
00:07:34fast load times, and mobile optimization, proper metadata.
00:07:38We also do link building.
00:07:40We've built backlinks through tools
00:07:42and also by reaching out manually to other people,
00:07:45maintain them, and we track everything,
00:07:48all our rankings with Ahrefs and Google Search Console,
00:07:51and basically constantly optimize our CTR
00:07:54based on the results.
00:07:56This has already produced more than 8K MRR in organic revenue.
00:08:00Okay, so you write these articles.
00:08:02They essentially rank for free
00:08:03through Google's organic search.
00:08:05So this generates around 8,000 in new customers per month.
00:08:08What about the rest of the revenue?
00:08:09How's that happening?
00:08:10- So they happen through Google Search Ads,
00:08:12which are our guaranteed revenue engine.
00:08:15So while ICO compounds over time,
00:08:17paid search gives us immediate results and feedback.
00:08:20So here's the strategy.
00:08:21We beat on high intent commercial keywords,
00:08:23the same that we are trying to rank organically for.
00:08:26We create landing pages for each one of them.
00:08:29So each ad group has its custom landing page
00:08:32tailored to the keyword and the intent.
00:08:34For example, Instagram API has a specific page for Instagram.
00:08:39We automate everything through Google Ads.
00:08:41We use automated bidding, which sets a target CPA at $120,
00:08:46which is our average catch threshold.
00:08:50Google's algorithm optimizes bids to hit this target.
00:08:53And on the ad copy, we basically focus on value.
00:08:55For example, scale 30 days of social media in one hour,
00:08:59or reach 100K followers fast with our API.
00:09:03On the testing side, we do continuous A/B testing
00:09:05of headlines, descriptions, and landing pages,
00:09:08everything tracked through post.
00:09:10Currently we spend around $8,000 a month.
00:09:13We get $2.5 in revenue for every dollar spent.
00:09:16Monthly revenue from paid search is around 15K MRR.
00:09:20- I love what Mickey is showing us right now.
00:09:23He just found one channel that works and he's going all in.
00:09:26But here's the thing, before you get into growth,
00:09:29you still need to build something.
00:09:31And if you're watching this
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00:10:04All right, let's get back into the episode.
00:10:06Okay, well, I mean, I like that.
00:10:07It's cool, like you can just do the organic thing
00:10:09and do this 8K, and you'd have 8K MRR,
00:10:12but you're sort of, again, treating it like a math problem.
00:10:15You're pouring a little bit of gasoline on the fire.
00:10:17And when you see certain keywords working in paid,
00:10:20then you're channeling maybe more articles
00:10:22or more keywords around organic,
00:10:23and then those feed them back.
00:10:25So what I think our audience will love to hear from you,
00:10:27could you break down this strategy step-by-step?
00:10:29Imagine you have a brand new SaaS, it's ready to go.
00:10:32You have an MVP ready to go.
00:10:33It's a decent product.
00:10:34Maybe you got a few customers.
00:10:36What would be your step-by-step process to get started
00:10:38on this Google strategy in 2026?
00:10:41- So for step one, you just basically find your core keywords
00:10:45that are high-intent and are very, very close
00:10:47to your value proposition.
00:10:48You can use Ahrefs, you can use Semrush.
00:10:50I mean, there are some very, very core keywords
00:10:53that you don't have to search for.
00:10:55You already know that they are very related to your product.
00:10:57For example, for us, it's Social Meet API.
00:10:59It's very, very obvious.
00:11:00So you know that these keywords are being searched
00:11:04and you basically create a spreadsheet with them,
00:11:06the monthly search volume that they have, the difficulty,
00:11:09and you focus on these keywords and nothing else,
00:11:12and basically try and work towards ranking for them
00:11:16within three to six months.
00:11:17For step two, just focus on creating content
00:11:20for the keywords that you've found.
00:11:21Make sure that it's high-quality content.
00:11:23It can be a blog, a landing page, it's just a free tool.
00:11:26And well, just add a big CTA to your sign-in page
00:11:29so that you get sign-ups for this traffic.
00:11:32And basically then, you can just add internal linking,
00:11:35link to other pieces of content on your site.
00:11:38And you try and do that through the first week.
00:11:40So you try and push 10 to 15 high-quality articles
00:11:44in the first week to build momentum.
00:11:46It's also important that you don't create too much content.
00:11:49And also, Google doesn't like that.
00:11:51So it's better to have quality content.
00:11:53For step three, you just start launching your ads
00:11:56with the data and the content that you already have.
00:11:59So basically, set up Google Ads account,
00:12:02create some ad groups based on these keywords
00:12:04that you are also targeting with the organic content.
00:12:08You create three to five variations of the copy.
00:12:10Just focus on value propositions
00:12:13more than just stating the features.
00:12:15In step four, just optimize and scale
00:12:17based on the data that you have.
00:12:19You identify what's working, you identify the keywords
00:12:22that are bringing new customers,
00:12:23and you try and optimize for this.
00:12:25You just can't forget about the rest
00:12:27because the ones that are converting
00:12:29are the ones that really matter to you.
00:12:30You can post the performing keywords
00:12:33and just double down on the high ROI keywords.
00:12:36And then you can just start testing.
00:12:38Date the headlines, date the copy,
00:12:40and add CTAs based on what converts best.
00:12:43Then just try and increase the budget month over month
00:12:46as long as the return on this ad spend is working.
00:12:50In step five, just track and try and improve
00:12:52your cost of acquisition.
00:12:54So now you can just set dashboard
00:12:56either in Google Sheets, Data Studio,
00:12:59or any tool that you like.
00:13:00You can start tracking the cost of acquisition,
00:13:03return on ad spend, the revenue,
00:13:05and the traffic per channel.
00:13:06Then you can just start benchmarking
00:13:08against what's working.
00:13:09Good CAC is 24% of the lifetime value,
00:13:13and your goal is basically to keep CAC
00:13:15under 30% of the first year revenue.
00:13:18Every month you can just A/B test, link viewers,
00:13:20ad copy, landing pages based on what worked last month.
00:13:24So that would be my five-step playbook
00:13:26if I would be starting over again.
00:13:28- Okay, well, thank you for sharing that.
00:13:29Great playbook.
00:13:30I love Google.
00:13:31This is awesome.
00:13:32Thanks for breaking it all down for us.
00:13:33Let's switch topics a little bit
00:13:35and talk about the product that you built.
00:13:36Could you give us a demo?
00:13:37I just wanna see what this thing looks like, how it works.
00:13:39And yeah, could you show it?
00:13:41- Sure.
00:13:41So our app is nothing fancy really.
00:13:44On the UI, we just have a social media scheduler.
00:13:48Basically everything that you can do through the API,
00:13:50you can also do through our UI.
00:13:53So it's very, very simple.
00:13:55You can just from here create new posts
00:13:58and yeah, basically just select the accounts
00:14:00that you want this content to go to.
00:14:02We also have here the option to connect all your accounts
00:14:05and handle all your accounts from the UI.
00:14:08Here you can also create new API keys.
00:14:10So as a developer, you can just basically handle
00:14:13all your APIs from here.
00:14:14We also have here an inbox feature
00:14:16that basically allows you to handle all your DMs
00:14:19and comments through the UI.
00:14:21The rest of the platforms, you can set up webhooks.
00:14:23You get notifications when the post fails
00:14:26or when the post succeeds.
00:14:28For an account to get disconnected,
00:14:29you can also check all the logs from your publishing activity
00:14:33to see, well, if you have errors
00:14:35or you view if everything is working correctly.
00:14:38And then from here, you just can access the API docs,
00:14:41which are, well, very important
00:14:43'cause you'll be building integration.
00:14:46And this is what we try and spend most time on
00:14:50so that, well, it's very, very straightforward
00:14:53for you to learn and start using.
00:14:55- Okay, cool.
00:14:55And on a similar note, how did you build this?
00:14:57What tech stack did you use?
00:14:58What runs the business?
00:14:59How'd you build it?
00:15:00- So most important thing that we use is Cloud Code
00:15:03so we can code much faster.
00:15:04We also use Data Fast.
00:15:06It helps us track what's bringing revenue and what's not.
00:15:08We also use Google Ads.
00:15:10Spend up to $8,000 per month.
00:15:13We also use Ahrefs, which is around $200 per month.
00:15:16And this is essential for us for insights,
00:15:19monitoring on the organic side.
00:15:21- Okay, cool.
00:15:22Well, thanks for sharing that.
00:15:22Last question that we ask all founders
00:15:24who come on to Starter Story, who built cool stuff like you.
00:15:27What would be your advice to young Mickey
00:15:28before you got started?
00:15:30Or for anyone watching that wants to get started
00:15:32and build cool SaaS like this and learn Google,
00:15:34what would be your advice?
00:15:35- My advice would be to just stop trying
00:15:37to be everything to everyone.
00:15:39When I realized that basically picking one growth channel
00:15:42and getting really good at it, in our case, it's paid search.
00:15:45It was a hundred times better
00:15:47than being mediocre at 10 channels.
00:15:49So my advice would be just pick your single best level
00:15:52for growth, get obsessed with it and measure it relentlessly.
00:15:56- And that's great advice.
00:15:57As I kind of mentioned before,
00:15:58you can win with just one channel, right?
00:16:01You can build a million dollar business.
00:16:03You can build a $10 million business,
00:16:04maybe even a hundred million dollar business
00:16:06with just one channel.
00:16:07So if anyone's watching this
00:16:08and you take one thing away from that, here's proof of that.
00:16:11Thank you, Miki, for coming on and sharing.
00:16:13Awesome business.
00:16:14Hope to see you grow.
00:16:15- Thank you for having me.
00:16:16- Okay, producer Gus, what'd you think about that one?
00:16:19- I thought it was really cool.
00:16:20I think we talked to someone else recently
00:16:22that was very similar, but it's very systematized, right?
00:16:25He has a super solid system, I think, for, you know, whatever,
00:16:29finding the keywords, ranking them,
00:16:31and then running paid search on them.
00:16:33So I thought that was really awesome
00:16:34just to hear kind of that system.
00:16:36And I feel like so many of the great founders we talked to
00:16:39have something like that,
00:16:41where they have like this methodical approach.
00:16:43Like we don't get lucky, like it's all math.
00:16:46And I knew, I was like, wow, that's awesome.
00:16:48- Yeah, that's what I like about Google.
00:16:50I think a lot of people are talking about organic TikTok
00:16:52and these sorts of things or AI and all this.
00:16:55But at the end of the day, Google is like a very,
00:16:57very tried and true acquisition channel
00:17:00for a lot of businesses.
00:17:01At the end of the day,
00:17:02this is a great distribution strategy or marketing strategy
00:17:05for people that don't wanna go on camera and wanna, you know,
00:17:08maybe they're a little bit more of a finance type
00:17:09and enjoy putting together spreadsheets of keywords
00:17:12and seeing intent and looking at the numbers.
00:17:13Not everyone is meant to be on camera
00:17:15and create viral content.
00:17:17This is a real solid plan that he put together.
00:17:20And his playbook was especially good.
00:17:22I think you can really do this with pretty much any SaaS,
00:17:25specifically B2B SaaS more so,
00:17:26but I really think that this could work
00:17:28and is a great first channel.
00:17:29- Yeah, and then the other thing I was thinking about
00:17:31was like on Twitter,
00:17:33you'll see how many people are talking about
00:17:34how like Google search is dead
00:17:36or like Google SEO is dead kind of thing.
00:17:39I think we've even done like some videos
00:17:41in the build channel on that topic, but I don't know.
00:17:43I guess, what do you think about that?
00:17:44Like, is this kind of showing
00:17:46that maybe it's not as true or what do you,
00:17:49we're like, what do you think?
00:17:50- Here's the truth.
00:17:51Google search is not dead,
00:17:53but informational queries are dead.
00:17:55So if you search, not dead, but essentially dead,
00:17:58if you search Google for how to create
00:18:02a great social media post
00:18:04that you're probably not gonna rank,
00:18:05it's gonna be harder to rank for that.
00:18:07And those people are coming for information
00:18:10on how to create a good social media post.
00:18:13They're just gonna use chat GPT for that, right?
00:18:15To get a more customized, way better answer.
00:18:16But if they're searching for things
00:18:18like social media scheduler,
00:18:20there may put that into more so into AI,
00:18:23but at the end of the day, it's still the same.
00:18:24Like they're gonna put that into Google.
00:18:26They're gonna put that into the AI.
00:18:27They're going to click in through to your software and buy it.
00:18:31Yeah, there's an argument that one day
00:18:32you'll be able to put it into AI
00:18:34and it'll write all the code and create the whole app for you.
00:18:36But right now, still people need tools.
00:18:38And intent-based, there's informational queries.
00:18:41And then maybe you call it intent-based queries.
00:18:43People are still searching things for like, I need insurance.
00:18:46I need a social media scheduling tool.
00:18:48I need some clothing or something like that.
00:18:50So the SEO is dead,
00:18:52it's more around informational-based queries.
00:18:55- Yeah, I mean, I find myself using like chat GPT
00:18:57a lot more with first search, but sometimes when I,
00:19:00even when I'm still looking for like a tool
00:19:02or something to buy, I almost still go to Google
00:19:04instead of chat, 'cause I don't know,
00:19:06I feel like Google has something it'll really show me
00:19:08versus chat will just like list out whatever the answer
00:19:11without, not always with like a link.
00:19:13Anyway, so yeah, I thought that was interesting
00:19:14to see that that still works if you do it
00:19:16kind of in this mathematical way.
00:19:18- Okay, cool.
00:19:19Well, SEO and Google still works,
00:19:21but you need to build something.
00:19:23So I will shamelessly plug a starter story build right here.
00:19:25If you want to find that idea that you can eventually put
00:19:28into the Google playbook, check out starter story build.
00:19:31I'll put a link in the description for that.
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00:19:34build it with just AI tools.
00:19:36You don't even need to know how to code
00:19:37and get it in the hands of real customers.
00:19:39I'll put that link down there.
00:19:40Thank you guys for watching.
00:19:41We'll see you in the next one.
00:19:42Peace.