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00:00:00There's like a five-step protocol that people use to make someone confess to a crime.
00:00:05And if you really examine what the protocol is, it's just a massive shift in context and perception.
00:00:10What's the protocol?
00:00:12You ready?
00:00:12Yes.
00:00:13So it's socialize, minimize, rationalize, and project.
00:00:20Is that not four?
00:00:22Yeah.
00:00:22It's four steps, and then there's an alternative question at the end.
00:00:25Okay.
00:00:25Is it this or this?
00:00:28So just like name a crime that's not gross, that we can actually talk about.
00:00:33Anything you want, like stolen money.
00:00:34Texting while driving.
00:00:36Okay.
00:00:36Texting while driving.
00:00:37Well, they're not going to be in an interrogation room.
00:00:39Okay.
00:00:39Yeah, cool.
00:00:41Smuggling arms.
00:00:43Okay.
00:00:43Smuggling arms.
00:00:44Great.
00:00:44All right.
00:00:45So the first step would be socialize.
00:00:46Fucking interrogation room for texting while driving.
00:00:50There's just armies of interrogators up and down the United States highways.
00:00:54Okay.
00:00:54It might solve the problem.
00:00:56Yeah.
00:00:56Okay.
00:00:56So smuggling arms.
00:00:59So you're talking to this person, and you decided that it's time to shift into interrogation.
00:01:05The beginning of an interrogation is called the interview process, and the shift is called
00:01:09the confrontation.
00:01:10So the confrontation is basically just where you tell them that they're lying, but you don't
00:01:16do it in a way that hurts their ego.
00:01:19So I might say something like, Chris, I appreciate you, and I just want you to know I've been doing
00:01:23this a really long time, I've talked to a lot of people, and if there's one thing I know
00:01:28for sure, it's when I'm not getting the full story, and I don't think I'm getting the full
00:01:32story here.
00:01:33And then I go right into the socialize part of this thing.
00:01:37And when I say socialize, it's basically people will understand.
00:01:40So the line is, I think at the end of the day, you did this because you're a good person.
00:01:47And I'm going to explain why.
00:01:48And I've talked to a lot of bad people, and I know you're not a bad person.
00:01:51And I think when people see all the steps that led up to you getting wrapped up in this,
00:01:55that they're going to understand.
00:01:58Then minimize.
00:02:00And like I said, I don't think you're a bad guy.
00:02:03And to be honest, I deal with bad people all the time, and people that do way worse stuff
00:02:07than this.
00:02:08I've seen people that have done way worse than this get completely over it.
00:02:11So it's not that big of a deal.
00:02:14Nobody's accusing you of being some mass murderer or something like that.
00:02:17This is not the same thing.
00:02:19Then it's rationalized.
00:02:22I know you came from a poor village.
00:02:25I know that you had a really tough background.
00:02:27And I know that you're a good person.
00:02:29And I'm not saying whether or not you were doing this to pay for it.
00:02:32But I know that your aunt has several hundred thousand dollars in medical bills that she's
00:02:36needed to pay.
00:02:39Now I project.
00:02:42So now project is basically, it's not your fault.
00:02:45And I think anybody that was handed your conditions and your life would have probably made the
00:02:50same choices that you did.
00:02:52And there's, I know a lot of times these arms smuggling rings will use threats and pressure
00:02:57to get someone into the unit.
00:03:00So if that happened to you, I just want you to know that's something that I want to know
00:03:03about.
00:03:04So I know that you didn't like deliberately decide to do this.
00:03:07And then we move into the alternative question.
00:03:10And I'll say, so Chris, what I'm really trying to find out here is, were you doing this just
00:03:17to make a bunch of money and then go buy a bunch of drugs and live in some other country?
00:03:21Or were you really like trying to help one of your family members?
00:03:24Because I know these guys have been talking to you and I've looked into you as well.
00:03:27And it doesn't look like you're a bad person.
00:03:30So now it's an alternative question of, are you a piece of crap or did you try to do something
00:03:36good for your family?
00:03:37Both of them are admissions of guilt though.
00:03:39Yeah.
00:03:40Yeah.
00:03:40I'm just trying to find out the reason that this happened.
00:03:42You're not.
00:03:43You're trying to find out an admission of guilt.
00:03:44Yes.
00:03:45Yes.
00:03:46But in the, in the conversation, we're trying to find the reason it happened.
00:03:50So we're going for the admission of guilt because the, the first part of the interrogation,
00:03:55we, there's like a long series of questions we ask.
00:03:57And based on those responses, if they respond a certain way to each question, then we move
00:04:02towards the confession methodology.
00:04:06So they're, and they're basic questions.
00:04:08Like, um, if, if I, if there was a robbery or in some neighborhood here, can I say the city
00:04:15that we're in?
00:04:16Of course.
00:04:16Okay.
00:04:17So let's say like two blocks away or maybe, yeah, two blocks from here, there's a neighborhood
00:04:22in Austin and there's a, there's a neighborhood there.
00:04:25And let's say you robbed a house.
00:04:27One of those questions to determine how guilty you are is one of my favorite questions in the
00:04:31world.
00:04:31It's called the bait question.
00:04:33And it basically says, um, let's, let's imagine you did this.
00:04:38I want to put you in the mindset so you can understand the question.
00:04:41Let's say you, you stole a bike out of this person's garage a couple of days ago.
00:04:47I called you up and like, Hey, I think you, you might've seen something that's going to
00:04:51help us in the case.
00:04:52Could you please come in here and talk to us about the, about the case?
00:04:55You come in and I say, Chris, dude, thank you for, for coming in.
00:05:00Uh, this is important to us.
00:05:02We've got officers out there that they've been working all through the night, uh, collecting
00:05:06evidence and stuff.
00:05:06I just want to ask you one question and you seem like a really good guy.
00:05:10So I want you to think really carefully before you answer this.
00:05:13Is there any reason whatsoever that one of the neighbors would have a ring doorbell camera
00:05:20that shows your vehicle in that area?
00:05:24So now you're confronted with a dilemma of, if I say no, and he whoops out a video, now
00:05:32I'm a liar.
00:05:33And they probably know that I did this.
00:05:35If I say, yes, I'm at, I'm placing myself at the scene of the crime.
00:05:39Right.
00:05:40And the cool thing is that someone who's innocent would be like, nope.
00:05:44And it would be instantly, they would have no hesitation.
00:05:47They'd have tons of confidence of, nope, there's absolutely no reason.
00:05:51So that's one of those, those kinds of setup questions.
00:05:54And another one.
00:05:55That's regardless of whether you've got the ring doorbell footage or not.
00:05:57Yes.
00:05:58And I don't say that I have it.
00:06:00Is there any reason why?
00:06:02Yes.
00:06:02Is there any reason that one of the officers would have received some ring doorbell or
00:06:08some doorbell video camera footage that shows your vehicle in that area?
00:06:13Not you do anything bad.
00:06:16And another one is another great question.
00:06:18I can't reveal all of these, but another great question is called the punishment question.
00:06:25And this works on kids.
00:06:27It works on adults.
00:06:28It doesn't matter.
00:06:29And it's just a few words long.
00:06:32I would say, what do you think should happen to the person that did this?
00:06:40And you'll always get amazing answers.
00:06:43I'll give you my kid's example.
00:06:47And this is from, they were seven and eight, give or take.
00:06:52I came home from work.
00:06:53I'm in like my camo uniform.
00:06:56And we had a white living room rug.
00:06:58And there's like a little cardboard thing of chocolate milk, just like sitting on its side.
00:07:03And there's like a little pool of chocolate milk on the carpet.
00:07:07And they were both playing the Xbox.
00:07:09The milk's like right there, a few feet away.
00:07:11I was like, what the hell, guys?
00:07:14They're like, oh, I don't know.
00:07:16And I was like, did you guys do this?
00:07:17And they're like, nope.
00:07:18And I said, all right, William, kitchen, Charlotte, dining room.
00:07:23Fucking prisoner, prisoners dilemmered them.
00:07:26Yeah.
00:07:27And I went over to Charlotte.
00:07:33Yeah, it was Charlotte.
00:07:34And I said, Charlotte, what do you think should happen to the person that did this?
00:07:38And she goes, spankings, grounded, no more Xbox, can't play with the friends, no more sleepovers,
00:07:45can't eat in the living room anymore.
00:07:46It just goes on and on.
00:07:48I was like, okay, all right.
00:07:49It's a kid's equivalent of capital punishment.
00:07:52Yeah.
00:07:52And I was like, damn.
00:07:53So I went to William and I said, Will, what do you think should happen to the person that did this?
00:07:58He goes, uh, maybe no more chocolate milk in the living room.
00:08:02And there we go.
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