Find the Meaning of Your Life Part 1 of 3: Get Better at Boredom

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00:00:00"I want to talk today about finding meaning by being bored. Is your overall life kind of boring?"
00:00:06I hear that a lot. People who say to me, "I feel like I'm living a simulation of an ordinary life,
00:00:13and it's not that interesting." And you don't like it. Neither do I. I'm waiting. And I remember when
00:00:19I had this epiphany about this, that it was the thing I least liked in my life. We hate
00:00:25a low sense of self-autonomy. We hate that external locus of control. We want to be in
00:00:30control. Mother Nature doesn't care. She doesn't care if you don't like it. There's all kinds of
00:00:35things that you don't like that Mother Nature allows. Your preferences are not her concern.
00:00:40And you know what I'm telling you here, right? You can only find the meaning of your life
00:00:44if you allow yourself to be bored.
00:00:52Hi, everybody. Welcome to Office Hours. I'm Arthur Brooks. I'm a behavioral scientist dedicated to
00:00:57lifting people up and bringing them together in bonds of happiness and love. And this is a show
00:01:02about how to do that using science. I want to share these ideas with you because I need you in the
00:01:07movement with me, lifting people up all around you. I want you to become a teacher of happiness,
00:01:12and this is a show dedicated to help you do so, starting with yourself. This is a show that we've
00:01:17been working on every week for a long time, and it's really picking up a great audience. Thanks to
00:01:22you. You're recommending the show to a lot of people. I know. It's word of mouth is how it all
00:01:27works. And this week, I actually want to start on a multi-week set of episodes dedicated to my new
00:01:34book, The Meaning of Your Life, Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness. You can see it right here.
00:01:38It drops on March 31st. I hope you'll pick up a copy or, I don't know, get a couple thousand copies
00:01:44and give them to your closest friends. And I want to talk about the book and what's going on in the
00:01:49book about the problem of finding meaning in ordinary life. This is, like everything else,
00:01:54my opportunity to talk about what I think is the biggest problem. But also, as you know, if you're
00:01:59somebody who regularly watches the show, this is the opportunity for us to do something really great
00:02:03for the world. Because in every problem, you find the biggest opportunities. If you didn't have any
00:02:08problems, there wouldn't be any opportunities. Weakness is strength. That's one of the most
00:02:12important principles of behavioral science, but it's also a common sense principle about life on
00:02:17earth. So if you see a meaning crisis, the meaning of life, that's an opportunity for you to find
00:02:22yours and help other people find theirs as well. So I'm going to do a few episodes on exactly that
00:02:27about the book itself. Now, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about this show,
00:02:32this episode, this series, as always. So please do feedback. Send me your thoughts
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00:02:42leave a review on Spotify or Apple or on YouTube or wherever you're watching us or listening to us
00:02:49here today. Also, because I want to talk a little bit more about that book and you might want to
00:02:54learn more about it, please go to the book's website, themeaningofyourlife.com, the website
00:02:59that's appearing in front of you right now. That's all one word, themeaningofyourlife.com, to learn
00:03:03more about a big event, a virtual event that you can actually attend from your house. I'm hosting
00:03:10that on March 27th. So you can go deeper on this topic. It's completely free. And you can learn a
00:03:16lot more from the book itself, The Meaning of Your Life. I want to talk today about finding meaning
00:03:21by being bored. Boredom is something that I've studied an awful lot. It's a very big area of
00:03:28interest to both psychologists and neuroscientists. And you don't like it. Neither do I. I'm going to
00:03:34talk to you about whether you like it or not, you need it, and how to incorporate it more seriously
00:03:40as a part of your meaningful life. How to make it not just easier, but something you can potentially
00:03:46look forward to. I want to talk about re-engineering certain parts of your life that include what you
00:03:51might've thought was boring, but in point of fact is something that will help you understand who you
00:03:57are as a person. Now stay tuned for a lot of reasons for that. Let me start by telling you
00:04:03how I started thinking about this particular topic. It goes way, way before I was a behavioral
00:04:08scientist. As some of you may know, because you've been watching the show or have followed my work for
00:04:11a while, I started off my career as a musician. When I was 19, I left college because I was a
00:04:17classical musician. That's all I wanted to do. And I didn't need a bachelor's degree to be a classical
00:04:22musician when you're auditioning for an orchestra and nobody's asking where you went to college.
00:04:27And I went on the road. I actually didn't start with an orchestra. I started playing chamber music.
00:04:31I was playing with a brass quintet. I was on the road about seven months a year, starting when I was
00:04:3619. So I am an inveterate road warrior. These days, I travel 48 weeks a year for touring and speaking
00:04:42and media. And that just started when I was a teenager. It's become kind of a way of life.
00:04:47Happiness is the open road. I really love it, as a matter of fact. I don't hate courtyard
00:04:52Marriott's. I don't hate airports. I don't. But there is one thing that I don't like about all
00:04:57this travel that I've been doing since I was a lad, since I was a classical musician all the way until
00:05:03today. Decades ago, I realized I hate waiting. I hate waiting. And I remember when I had this
00:05:10epiphany about this, that it was the thing I least liked in my life. We didn't have any money when I
00:05:14was playing chamber music and traveling around. And I was actually on tour with the great jazz
00:05:20guitar player Charlie Bird, who introduced bossa nova jazz to American audiences. We were someplace,
00:05:27North Dakota or something, which is beautiful, by the way. But I was eating at a Howard Johnson's.
00:05:33For those of you kids, that was a chain of motels and restaurants real popular back in the day.
00:05:42And they were basically diner food at the Howard Johnson's. And I had to eat my lunch or my dinner
00:05:46or whatever it was. And I was sitting at the Howard Johnson's. And I realized, you know, bugs me about
00:05:50this is not the fact that I'm going to eat a grilled cheese sandwich and some chili or whatever I was
00:05:56eating, which I wouldn't eat today. The problem is I come in and I sit down and I wait. And I wait for
00:06:02somebody to give me a menu. And then I wait for somebody to ask me my order. Then I wait for my
00:06:07food. And then I wait for my check. And I'm just waiting the whole time. And it drives me crazy.
00:06:13I don't like it, as a matter of fact. So what can I do to change all that? And I started putting
00:06:17together routines in my life that would make it easier. I would start walking into restaurants.
00:06:21And I would order on the way in before I even sat down. And then when I got my lunch, I would
00:06:27ask for the check with my lunch, because I was trying to develop all these sort of engineered
00:06:33protocols to it. Until at one point, I had kind of an epiphany. That the way to solve that problem,
00:06:40because you're never going to solve the problem of waiting. You're never going to solve it,
00:06:43because you're going to wait for your flight. Sorry, you can't do anything about that. You're
00:06:46going to wait for your groceries. You're going to wait. The way to actually have it not make me
00:06:51bitter was not to change the world. It was to start changing myself. I needed to change the inside,
00:06:58not to change the outside world. Now there's lots of things that you can do, and I still do.
00:07:01But the truth is I became more comfortable with the thing that was bothering me the most about waiting,
00:07:07which was my boredom. And when I did, I realized that that level of comfort with what I had to
00:07:14endure actually led to big happiness results in my life. That's what I want to talk about today.
00:07:22Because when I became more comfortable being bored, I didn't know it at the time, I do know now,
00:07:27I was using my brain in such a way that I was exercising the parts of my brain that I need
00:07:33to ascertain the meaning of my life. And that might be just what you need as well.
00:07:38Okay, now the problem with waiting, as I mentioned just a minute ago, is when you're doing nothing,
00:07:44because there's nothing occupying you, it's unbelievably boring. And we hate boredom. Now,
00:07:49I don't have to probably convince you of that. But of course, behavioral scientists have tested
00:07:54our aversion to boredom, how much we actually don't like boredom, which is to say,
00:07:58doing nothing or using our time unproductively, where the locus of control is outside of ourselves,
00:08:05we hate it. My colleague at Harvard, Dan Gilbert, he's done these great experiments, you know,
00:08:09where people have to sit in rooms and do absolutely nothing. And there's a bunch of experiments that
00:08:15are pretty interesting, where people are in the experiments, usually undergraduates, because
00:08:19they'll do anything for 20 bucks, they'll bring them into the laboratory, and they have to watch movies.
00:08:23And there are three kinds of movies, sad movies, neutral movies, or boring movies. Okay, so, you
00:08:30know, some tragedy or something that is just a basic adventure, or maybe it's like a, you know,
00:08:36a French art film, which is, you know, known for being really, really boring. Sorry to all my French
00:08:41art film friends out there. But anyway, and then what they had was they had this, like key fob,
00:08:45where they could press a button and self administer an electric shock. Kind of painful, as a matter of
00:08:51fact, I don't, I do not know how they got through that through an ethics committee at the university.
00:08:55But the people watching the films would occasionally shock themselves, and they found that they shocked
00:09:01themselves a lot during the boring films. In other words, people prefer pain to boredom. You're sitting
00:09:07there and, man, this movie is like it's not moving. It's like, hey, there we go. What they found also
00:09:14in a number of these self shocking experiments is that on average, about 25% of women shocked
00:09:19themselves, and about two thirds of the dudes. So that's another problem. The difference between men
00:09:24and women in their propensity to choose pain over boredom, maybe that explains a lot in your life.
00:09:30I'll put in the show notes some of these interesting studies in here. There's one that was in psychiatry
00:09:34research in 2016. Self-inflicted pain out of boredom kind of sums it up, but you can actually see how
00:09:40they, how they did the experiments. They're really well done. They're nice. So why, why, why would they
00:09:45do that? And the answer is we hate a low sense of self-autonomy. We hate that external locus of
00:09:52control. We want to be in control. When something else is controlling us, it's inherently unpleasant.
00:09:58And so the result of it is that we want to take back control, and shocking yourself is one of the
00:10:02ways that you can take back control about what's happening. When you're bored, it's like waiting
00:10:08for a delayed flight. And you all know how that feels, that long delayed flight, and you're waiting
00:10:13and, you know, every 15 minutes they give you an update. And they're like, yeah, you know, the inbound
00:10:18flight's been delayed, and then there's a mechanical, and we have to change out the crew, or there's a
00:10:24flight attendant who has a connecting flight and isn't getting here. It's getting later and later
00:10:28and later. And there's nothing in this kind of helpless feeling. And so you fritter away your time
00:10:33on your phone, but you hate it. Don't tell me you love playing solitaire on your phone. You don't.
00:10:39You're doing it to distract yourself. From what? From feeling frustrated and bored because the boredom
00:10:46itself is actually unpleasant. That's an interesting thing also that, here's one of the great
00:10:52paradoxes, is how boredom changes our time perception. And there's a lot of stuff I've
00:10:58actually written, done, you know, done work on our perception of time. When you're not engaged in
00:11:03something and you pay attention to time, time feels like it slows down. I mean, time doesn't slow down,
00:11:09obviously. When you're not paying attention to it and you're doing something that's really
00:11:12entertaining, time feels like it goes by really quickly. In the extreme, this is what the great
00:11:18social psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi wrote in his book Flow. Flow is when hours turn to minutes.
00:11:26And the reason is because you're losing yourself in a particular task. And you all know how that
00:11:30feels. For me, it's when I'm writing and I'm in the zone, man. And it's like, wow, four hours,
00:11:36especially if I set it up right with my morning protocol to optimize my brain chemistry. Go back
00:11:42to that episode if you want, my six-part morning protocol. That's one of my earlier shows. I got
00:11:46a million and a half views or something. People really wanted to know what those protocols were.
00:11:50But what it does is it sets you up neurochemically so that you can get more easily into a flow state.
00:11:55And that's really, really highly pleasurable. We're talking about the opposite here, not the flow
00:12:00state, the anti-flow state where you're not doing anything and there's nothing and it's frustrating
00:12:05you and you're paying attention to time. And so time slows down. There's a bunch of interesting
00:12:10experiments on that. There's one where people who are afraid of spiders, arachnophobia, are exposed
00:12:16to pictures of spiders. And then they make them estimate how much time has passed as they're
00:12:20looking at pictures of spiders. And inevitably, they think they've been looking at these things
00:12:24for 15 minutes and it's been more like 15 seconds. I'll put that paper in the show notes, of course,
00:12:30in case you're an arachnophobe or something. But also, you know about this when you're doing
00:12:34certain exercises. So I plank every day. Really, really good for your core. It's a great exercise
00:12:40for your back. My back hurts a lot, so I got to do this. And my PT says, yeah, I got to plank. Two
00:12:46minutes every day. It's like two minutes every day. Okay, two minutes, I can do two minutes. Two minutes
00:12:49feels long, man. I mean, it's easier than it was because I'm stronger than I was. But I'm looking
00:12:55at the timer on this. And that's the longest two minutes of my day is my morning plank when I'm at
00:13:01the gym. That's just kind of how it works. That's the paradox of boredom is that boring use of time
00:13:09actually feels like it takes longer than non-boring use of time. So it's not just the time itself is
00:13:15the perception of the time. And this leads to this kind of vicious cycle where you got nothing to do.
00:13:22And so you're bored, which makes you unhappy. That means time appears to slow. And when time slows,
00:13:29there's more boredom. And the whole thing goes around and around and around and around. That's
00:13:32interesting because the work that I've actually done on alcohol abuse and substance abuse,
00:13:37the two main predictors of alcohol abuse are anxiousness, anxiety, and boredom. So people
00:13:44who are really bored, they drink to relieve the boredom. But of course, life becomes incredibly
00:13:47boring when you're no longer doing interesting things because you drink too much and so you drink
00:13:52more. Same thing is true with anxiety. If you're really an anxious person and anxiety is very
00:13:57effectively dealt with in the extremely short run with alcohol, it literally cuts the connection
00:14:02between the limbic system of the brain where the feelings of anxiety are at least originating
00:14:09in conjunction with your stress hormones and your prefrontal cortex where you're aware of the
00:14:14anxiety. So you're anxious. You just don't know it. Alcohol cuts that connection. But of course,
00:14:19it comes rushing back the next day and you're more anxious. And so this gets you into these cycles.
00:14:24That's the problem with boredom. And it's the same kind of cycle that we get into with
00:14:29abusive substances. So here's a question. Why would evolution allow this? I mean,
00:14:36why is it that we would actually be bored, ever be bored? Why wouldn't we eliminate that
00:14:41in evolutionary biology? And here's the reason. Number one, Mother Nature doesn't care. She
00:14:49doesn't care if you don't like it. There's all kinds of things that you don't like that Mother
00:14:52Nature allows. Your preferences are not her concern, quite frankly. Your happiness is not Mother Nature's
00:14:57concern. If you're getting anything from office hours from the show, it's that you got to take
00:15:01control of your own happiness by standing up to your own natural proclivities. That's how you live
00:15:06in the space of moral aspiration, not in the space of animal impulse. This is kind of a case in point.
00:15:12Mother Nature doesn't care if you're bummed out because you're bored. And that's the first reason.
00:15:17But there actually are a bunch of benefits that come from boredom. And this is the big point that I want
00:15:21to get across. And this is why I'm doing this episode in conjunction with this new book. When
00:15:26you're bored, in other words, think about nothing. There's nothing to do. When you're sitting there
00:15:30in your thoughts, there's a set of structures in your brain that are collectively called the default
00:15:36mode network, the DMN to a neuroscientist. It's basically three sets of structures in your brain,
00:15:43the medial prefrontal cortex, the posterior cingulate cortex, and the inferior parietal
00:15:50lobule. So these are three parts that have a few functions in common. They allow you to, no, no,
00:15:57they govern and force you to self-reflect, thinking about yourself, thinking about your life,
00:16:03thinking about the mystery and what's going on around you. You don't self-reflect all that much.
00:16:08I mean, you think about yourself, you know, my job, my car, my sandwich, my money, but you don't self-reflect
00:16:15that much about the deeper things in your life. Self-reflection is what you need to do to understand
00:16:21the meaning of your life. How am I doing all these things? You know, why do things happen the way they
00:16:27do? What are my goals? What are my directions in life? Why does my life matter? That's self-reflection.
00:16:34And by the way, those are the big questions. Those are the deep questions I'm going to talk about in
00:16:38a future episode that constitute the three parts of meaning. Meaning is all about coherence. Why do
00:16:44things happen the way they do? Purpose. Why am I doing what I'm doing? And significance. Why does my
00:16:50life matter? Those are the three big why questions of meaning according to psychologists and philosophers.
00:16:55And that's exactly what you will naturally involuntarily start to assess when you're in the
00:17:01process of self-reflection, which you will do when the default mode network of your brain is illuminated,
00:17:06which you will illuminate when you get bored. But only when you get bored. You can't just turn it on.
00:17:10You gotta let it turn on. That's the sneaky little trick of mother nature. And you know what I'm
00:17:18telling you here, right? You can only find the meaning of your life if you allow yourself to be
00:17:22bored. And if you don't allow yourself to be bored, if you eliminate your boredom through, well, we'll
00:17:28talk about that here in a second, you're no longer going to be using your brain the way it needs to be
00:17:33used for you to find the meaning of your life. Now, when does this happen naturally? When you're in the
00:17:40shower, right? You'll notice you get your best ideas in the shower and epiphanies come to you and you
00:17:45realize certain things about your life when you're in the shower. Why is that? Well, here's the reason.
00:17:50You probably don't have your phone in there. Yeah, I know a bunch of you are like, "Yeah, I have my phone
00:17:54in there." Get your phone out of there for Pete's sake. I know it's waterproof, but come on. So I'm
00:18:00going to get back to this in a second because you know where I'm leading you to. I'm leading you to
00:18:04the ways in which we've learned how to eliminate boredom and the inventions that make that possible
00:18:09and the role that they're having for eliminating the meaning of life. I'm going to get there,
00:18:12trust me, but I want to ask another question before I do that. Why now? Why now? You know, why is it that
00:18:21kind of for the first time in history we're having this big meaning crisis? And it's actually not
00:18:28exclusively now. I mean, I go back and I look at the autobiography of Leo Tolstoy, you know, the greatest
00:18:33probably along with Fyodor Dostoevsky, the greatest Russian existentialist, the novelist. There's a lot
00:18:40of new interest among adults under 30 today in the Russian existentialist. This is kind of the new
00:18:46thing that I'm seeing actually among my students. People are very interested in it. In Leo Tolstoy's
00:18:52autobiography, he talks about the fact that when he was 51 years old, he wanted to do himself in.
00:18:57He wanted to end his life. And you're thinking to yourself, "Well, that must be because
00:19:02he's a writer. I mean, he's a tortured artist. He was probably poor and life was tough, especially in
00:19:071890s Russia, man." No, no, no. That's not the reason. Leo Tolstoy was literally the most famous
00:19:13writer of his time. He was rich. He was famous. He was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature
00:19:18several times. He had a marriage that lasted his entire life. He didn't have these weird
00:19:23relationships. He had a complicated marriage, actually. They fought a lot, but they had 13 kids,
00:19:27so they were doing something right. They loved each other enough for that. That's not why he was so
00:19:33profoundly depressed. Tolstoy was depressed, he said, because he didn't know the meaning of his
00:19:38life. Now, which sounds an awful lot like today, so many people tell me. So many people tell me that
00:19:44again and again and again. He was ahead of his time. If you're struggling, you're a modern day
00:19:50Tolstoy. Because he said, "I turned to my art. I turned to my writing. I turned to my work."
00:19:55So he said at one point, he turned to science because science was uncovering everything,
00:20:00which today would be technology. That's going to figure out everything. AI is going to figure
00:20:04out the meaning of my life right today. Then it was biology and mathematics working out everything
00:20:09with infinitesimal certitude and exactitude. No, I didn't do it either. By the end of the day,
00:20:16he realized that or he felt that his life just didn't have any meaning at all. It wasn't worth
00:20:20living. Until finally, he decided to in one last effort, he ran away temporarily. He ran away for
00:20:31a few months to think, "Do I need to end it?" He went to a little village some distance from Moscow.
00:20:38And in this little village, he lived among these really simple Russian peasants, farmers mostly.
00:20:46And they didn't know who had just come to their village. This is like this guy with a beard
00:20:50showed up. Tolstoy, the most famous writer of his time was completely unknown to them because
00:20:55they were illiterate, which is exactly what he wanted. He just wanted to live there. And
00:21:01he just wanted peace and quiet. He didn't want people asking for his autograph. And what he found
00:21:06was he found meaning from them. He said it wasn't because they were rubes and hopeless and didn't
00:21:14care. It wasn't that at all. He said they found tons of meaning in their ordinary lives of their
00:21:19faith, their simple faith, the family relationships that they had, the close friendships that they had,
00:21:24the things they would do together, the way that they put their effort into their work,
00:21:29their agricultural work. And they found meaning in those ordinary old-fashioned things he found.
00:21:36And that's what saved his life because he realized that he needed to live like people in the old days.
00:21:42And here's my point. If you're struggling with meaning, which millions of people are today,
00:21:48like that was rare during Tolstoy's time. It's not rare today. It means you need to take his
00:21:56epiphany into your life as well. Why is it that your great-grandfather never came home from work
00:22:03and said something like to his wife, your great-grandmother, "Honey, I had a panic attack
00:22:09behind a mule today." No. The reason is because his brain was working the way it was supposed to.
00:22:16It wasn't a thing. The flooding of the hypothalamic pituitary axis, the HPA axis,
00:22:23wasn't happening where the adrenal systems were completely freaking out because his brain was
00:22:28working the way it was supposed to. Now, here's the irony of your great-grandfather's life compared
00:22:34to yours. His life was actually moment to moment behind that mule or behind the machine or at the
00:22:40post office or wherever he worked. Pretty objectively boring. He didn't have a phone. He didn't have
00:22:47anything. He just had to live his life from moment to moment. So objectively speaking, his life was
00:22:53pretty boring in all the ways that I've been complaining about in my own life too. But when he
00:22:59got to the end of his life, I guarantee you that at his funeral, his widow didn't say, "His life was
00:23:05boring, man." No. Because his life wasn't boring. His moments might've been, but his life wasn't.
00:23:12Now, think about your own life. I bet you're never bored moment to moment because you've found a way
00:23:18that we're going to talk about right now to eliminate your boredom moment to moment.
00:23:22But is your overall life boring? I hear that a lot. People who say to me, "I feel like I'm living a
00:23:29simulation of an ordinary life." And it's not that interesting. The reason is because the moment to
00:23:37moment boredom elimination is adding up to a boring life, the exact opposite. That's what Tolstoy found,
00:23:46but we got to talk about how we can find that too. Now, this whole series on finding the meaning of
00:23:51life is going to talk about living in a new kind of old fashioned way. Part of this is going to require
00:23:58that we understand how technology and engineering has made that harder, but part of this is going to
00:24:04be really, really practical on how we can do exactly that while still being fully modern human beings.
00:24:09Now, let's talk for a moment about what I call the doom loop that people get into that you might
00:24:16be in in your own life as well. Addiction medicine is always about, at least in the initial stages of
00:24:25addiction recovery, breaking the doom loop that all addicts are in. So for example, you have boredom or
00:24:32anxiety or both in your life and you find yourself drinking too much and this goes on for a long time.
00:24:37And this leads to a more actually objectively more boring life and certainly a lot more anxiety and
00:24:42that leads to escalation. And that's a trap that becomes a doom loop. I drink, the problem gets worse.
00:24:49I drink more, the problem gets worse. And you don't know how to clip that, right? Well, there's a doom
00:24:54loop that we're in as well. You're bored and so what do you do? Well, you wiped it out with the
00:25:01anti-boredom device in your pocket, didn't you? You know, it's like I'm sitting at a stoplight. The
00:25:06stoplight's red. Man, this is taking a long time. I don't want to sit at the stoplight for three minutes.
00:25:13Out comes your phone. You look at your notifications. You look at your text. You know there's nothing
00:25:19there. What you're trying to do is not let the default mode network turn on because that's
00:25:23uncomfortable for you. It's frustrating for you. You don't like it. So the device leads to the off switch
00:25:31on the default mode network. That leads to a lack of you understanding meaning and this really starts
00:25:37to add up very quickly such that you have less ability to cope with your boredom, more depression,
00:25:43more loneliness, which comes when you don't know the meaning of your life and you're not assessing the
00:25:48meaning of your life. And that leads to escalation in the behavior. I might as well look at my devices.
00:25:54And that leads to the crisis that a lot of people are in and the addiction and the simulation of a
00:26:00real life. That's the doom loop. And it goes around and around and around. This eats away at your
00:26:06happiness. This eats away at the depth that you're actually feeling about your own life. That's a
00:26:11problem that you need to solve, that you want to solve. And if you're still watching this episode
00:26:16it's because you're committed to doing exactly that and I want to help you do it. Okay, so this requires
00:26:24that you have a different orientation to your devices and a different orientation to your boredom.
00:26:31Let's start with part one which is a different orientation toward your devices. Now I've done
00:26:34a whole show on phone addiction. I have a whole phone protocol show and I'm not going to go over
00:26:39that entire episode. Suffice it to say that you need to change your behavior with your phone not
00:26:44throw your phone away if you actually want to break out of this doom loop. To clip that it's not
00:26:49abstinence, it's moderation. And part of the reason is because I could tell you to abstain entirely
00:26:54from your device use but you wouldn't do it because you can't. You can't get into your bank account.
00:26:58You probably can't get on an airplane anymore. You got to have that thing in your pocket and besides
00:27:02your mom's going to call you and that's a good thing. Here's all you need to do fundamentally.
00:27:07You need these basic phone free times, phone free zones, and then phone fasts during the year.
00:27:15The phone free times that I've talked about in this show before are first hour of the day. You
00:27:20shouldn't look at your phone in the first hour of the day and a lot of neural programming actually
00:27:24happens in the first hour of the day. You set yourself up for a day when you're going to use
00:27:27your brain the way it should be used but not if this is the first thing you look at when you wake
00:27:31up. It's like next to you and then you look at it first thing and then you start scrolling immediately.
00:27:36That's catastrophically bad. The second is the last thing before you go to sleep at night and part of
00:27:41that is blue screen activity which interrupts the functioning of your pineal gland leading to lower
00:27:46levels of natural melatonin and it messes up your sleep architecture and you know that but also it's
00:27:52because you need to be thinking about the meaning of your life. You need the default mode network to
00:27:56be working as you go to sleep because sleep time is real time. It's really important for you to have a
00:28:01proper working of your brain with a proper lead up to the proper working of your brain. You'll
00:28:06sleep better but also you'll use your sleep that'll help you understand the meaning of your life
00:28:10in a better way. The last time is meal time and part of that just has to do with evolution.
00:28:15We homo sapiens still have brains that are accommodated to the circumstances in the Pleistocene
00:28:20as far back as 250,000 years ago and the way that we understand meaning like what's going on in life
00:28:27is by talking to each other as we eat in groups like putting yak meat in your mouth around a
00:28:33campfire looking at each other in the eyes. You will get oxytocin a neuropeptide that is intensely
00:28:40pleasurable. You'll bond to each other and understand meaning more when you do that but if
00:28:44your phone is sitting on the table even seeing the inanimate object and imagining the notifications
00:28:50of the texts that you're not experiencing will interrupt the oxytocin flow. So that's why you
00:28:55shouldn't actually even have your phones on tables while you eat but that's just it. That's it. First
00:29:00hour, last hour, meal times. That's it. The phone free zones they most importantly include your
00:29:05bedroom. You shouldn't have your phone in your bedroom. You'll sleep very poorly. Now after you
00:29:10get used to this protocol you can have your phone in the bedroom because you won't look at it. I can
00:29:15literally have my phone in my bedroom. I can use my phone as my alarm clock. I won't look at it at
00:29:19night because I'm out of the habit of doing that but it takes a while to do that. I had to keep my
00:29:23phone which I actually ordinarily do when I'm home which is I'm home half the time. I'm on the road
00:29:28half the time. The half the time that I'm home my phone is closed up in a closet that has plugs in it
00:29:34in a different floor of the house. So you need something like that. Cal Newport who teaches at
00:29:40Georgetown and writes great books about optimization of time he has his phone foyer method. When he comes
00:29:46into the house his phone stays in the foyer of his house and he has to go out there to look at it if
00:29:50he actually at any time when he's home. So he's even more hardcore than I am. And then of course
00:29:54in classrooms. I mean I've been pounding the table for years about getting phones out of classrooms.
00:30:01Half the states still have phone use with absolutely no restrictions which is insanity. It's just weak
00:30:08willed politicians and school officials that are actually letting that happen. It shouldn't be
00:30:13happening. And then last but not least you need time away from it every year. You should take at
00:30:16least four days a year away from your phone. Just do that. I'm not asking you to throw in the ocean.
00:30:21I'm not asking you to join a monastery unless that's your thing. Just doing that will clip the
00:30:26doom loop. It's basically detox. You'll change the way that your brain works and then you'll be better
00:30:32able to at will turn on the default mode network and reintroduce this really important idea into
00:30:39your life of blessed boredom the way that your brain is supposed to work. And that's part two
00:30:45is the practice of boredom. It's got to be a thing. And again you wouldn't have to tell great grandpa
00:30:50you know go practice boredom. You say what what are you talking about? That's stupid. I mean why
00:30:56do I need to practice boredom? I'm bored all the time. You do because you're not. That's what it
00:31:01comes down to. You need to simulate the more ancient environment under the circumstances. And there are
00:31:06a bunch of different ways to do that. You know this is one of the things that I recommend is that
00:31:10people work out more without headphones. And I do that at least once a week sometimes more when I'm
00:31:15really chewing on a problem in my work. I mean not like a problem like a crisis but you know I'm
00:31:21writing a column all the time for the free press. I gotta come up with an angle. I gotta come up with
00:31:26something interesting. And you know that's the hard part that actually requires the epiphany. I'm not
00:31:31gonna get the epiphany if I'm never bored quite frankly. Because when you're bored is when it
00:31:36happens. That's the shower effect right? Could take hour-long showers. I prefer to work out for an hour
00:31:40and take a two-minute shower. And so when I need the idea I don't use headphones when I work out
00:31:46and it works the same way because the default mode network turns on when I'm working out. Especially
00:31:51if I'm doing zone two cardio and I get the idea. Inevitably I get the idea because I'm using my
00:31:56brain the way it was supposed to be used in the first place. When I'm commuting a lot of the time
00:32:01I will you know which I don't do a lot but you know my commute is largely on the plane. But often
00:32:06if I'm flying from Boston to Washington which is a very frequent commute to me or New York to DC or
00:32:11you know these relatively small flights. I won't get internet and I won't take out my computer
00:32:16and I'll sit there. I'll sit there. I'll actually I'll use the commute in that particular way or if
00:32:22I have a long drive or something. And it's actually beautiful. At first it's like ah I gotta do
00:32:26something but then it's like this is good. And once you get used to it this is something that you'll
00:32:32really really value. There are people I mean I have students at the Harvard Business School who talk
00:32:37about using long flights to do this. They'll use there's actually a rude expression for it that I'm
00:32:44not going to dignify in this show because this is family entertainment. That you know they'll they'll
00:32:49stare at the seat in front of them. You know some people talk about like six or seven hour flights.
00:32:55No entertainment. No food. No sleeping. No bathroom. I mean that's pretty hardcore.
00:33:00But the whole point is what can you do to actually bring this back into your life. Now what what this
00:33:06really is in the in the literature on meditation is a practice of mindfulness is what it comes down
00:33:12to. Mindfulness is hard because mindfulness is boring to a lot of people and we're just
00:33:17really bad at boredom. You might think of mindfulness as kind of an exotic Buddhist
00:33:22meditation technique but the truth of the matter is that that it isn't that sophisticated. My
00:33:27colleague at Harvard Ellen Langer in the psychology department she wrote the first big book that took
00:33:33the west by storm about mindfulness. It's called mindfulness look it up she wrote it 25 years ago.
00:33:38What she talks about and I've actually had her on on a previous podcast where she defined it as
00:33:45noticing new things. Simply noticing new things. So here's how you practice mindfulness according
00:33:50to her. You're sitting on the train and the train rides like an hour and you put your phone away and
00:33:55you put your hands in your lap and you look out the window. Yeah you sick and twisted freak. You're not
00:34:01even looking at your phone and there's a tree out there that you go by and you're like huh a tree.
00:34:06Actively notice things is what it comes down to as opposed to inactively noticing simulated things.
00:34:14That's what you're doing on your phone. You're inactively you're passively being fed fake things
00:34:20all day long. You like that I know you don't. Actively on purpose notice real things that's
00:34:27mindfulness that's all it is that you can turn it into something really sophisticated and and do your
00:34:32soul cycle or you know whatever happens to be with an intention and all that but you don't have to
00:34:36make it all that sophisticated you can just live you know in your ordinary life. You're not changing the
00:34:44world when you do that you notice that you've actually let go you practice non-resistance to
00:34:50your boredom and non-resistance is your friend when it comes to boredom because what you've done with
00:34:56non-resistance is actively decided to change your reaction to the non-resistance through non-reaction
00:35:04to the boredom itself is all the change that you actually need. The world's going to be the world
00:35:09and when you do that you've invited into your own life a process a neurobiological process that you
00:35:16actually need but also it's a metaphysical process because when you do that you're going to find that
00:35:21you're a more spiritual person. You're a person who's more dedicated to deeper things in life.
00:35:26You're going to find that this starts to enrich your conversations because of the crazy ideas
00:35:29that actually came into your head that you never would have thought of before. You're not going to
00:35:34talk about some stupid reel you saw on on social media. You're going to be thinking about well what
00:35:39your parents probably talked about in their late night bowl sessions in their dorm because they
00:35:44didn't have any phone to look at in the first place. Maybe this is going to turn into a set
00:35:49of really deep and interesting dinner party conversations for you and your partner or your
00:35:53spouse. Yeah that's the benefit your default mode network can bring to you. This can really change
00:36:00your life I promise. It has really changed my life. I'm grateful for the epiphany at the Howard
00:36:05Johnson's because it led me on a path that really only came to full fruition when I started
00:36:11studying behavioral science and started working very very seriously on the meaning of life this
00:36:16particular problem. If you want more of this you can find it in this book The Meaning of Your Life
00:36:20and also by going to the website themeaningofyourlife.com to participate in events and
00:36:26have discussions and join our community around this and many other topics that you'll be hearing about
00:36:30on the podcast and in a lot of other places. Before I sign off I want to do as I always do some
00:36:35listener questions. First one comes from Lulu Wilson and the source is Seek Audio. I was wondering
00:36:42what are your thoughts on the highly sensitive person theory? Is it legit? What's your advice
00:36:48to young highly sensitive people that are growing up in an overwhelming world that expects young
00:36:53people only to enjoy partying and social media? Now to begin with you don't have to be a highly
00:36:58sensitive person to be bummed out about the fact that we have a culture that's putting itself into
00:37:02decline by paying attention to trivialities and not things that matter. Things that matter,
00:37:07they matter. That's why they're called things that matter. And news flash, the stuff that's
00:37:12in the simulation crossing your consciousness doesn't include that. So for everybody highly
00:37:18sensitive or highly insensitive you need to break out of that doom loop, the cycle that we've been
00:37:22talking about in this show. But back to Lulu's big question which is the highly sensitive person which
00:37:27in the literature is just HSP, highly sensitive person, who also is somebody who is affected by
00:37:33SPS which is known as sensory processing sensitivity. It is somewhat controversial,
00:37:39you know, does it actually exist? I think it does. Probably like most things today it's overestimated.
00:37:46Most people who talk about this say it's between 20 and 35 percent of the population.
00:37:51When 35 percent of the population has something it's not a pathology really anymore. It's just
00:37:56something that we all have, you know. This is how I talk about anxiety and sadness with my students,
00:38:02for example, is that you you're suffering from a lot of ruminative melancholy. Well, yeah,
00:38:07that's called life on earth. If you don't, you need therapy. But I get it because when it's at very,
00:38:13very high and acute levels it can be corresponding to some level of disability of anxiety and a lot of
00:38:19depression. And also just, you know, the way that people actually live. You know, one of my kids was,
00:38:24I had a doctor that was talking about this and it's like how do I know? It's like he couldn't wear the
00:38:31seam on his socks in the wrong part of his foot, you know, that kind of thing. So bottom line is
00:38:35if this is bothering you I get it and I'm sympathetic. But here's the whole thing that
00:38:39I want to point out. The literature also suggests that highly sensitive people have super strengths
00:38:44and this is true of all areas of neurodivergence or even disability for that matter. There's always
00:38:51super strength that are behind it. Highly sensitive people, they tend to be more compassionate than
00:38:56average. They tend to be more pro-social than average. Do they suffer more? Probably. But are
00:39:01they better for humanity? You bet. So if you're a parent of somebody like this, this is what you need
00:39:07to develop so that your child, or if it's you, you can actually live up to what humanity needs from
00:39:14you and as a result to prosper along the way. So bless you for that. Here's an anonymous question.
00:39:19This comes in over the email address officehours@authorbooks.com. This is from anonymous. Thank
00:39:24you anonymous. The anonymous sends me so many. I've noticed that many people who are hoping to
00:39:28find a partner simply wait. These are religious people and they say, "I'm just trusting God's plan."
00:39:35Okay, this is great. You know, this is actually a theological question. I can't help but wonder
00:39:42if that kind of waiting is truly what God intends for us or if we're meant to take a more active
00:39:46role in seeking the right person. This is a bit above my pay grade, sweet anonymous. The whole
00:39:53point of this gets into Protestant theology and predestination versus free will and should you
00:40:00participate and faith without works is dead in the epistle of St. James. There's a lot that goes into
00:40:08this that's theologically and philosophically really, really, really dense. But here's how I
00:40:13think about it. As a traditional, you know, person of faith, as we say sort of euphemistically,
00:40:18I'm a Catholic, as most of you know, I go to mass every day, really important part of my life.
00:40:22I believe I have an opportunity to participate in the divine will for my life. And again,
00:40:29even if I weren't traditionally religious, I would believe that there is a metaphysical design for
00:40:33my life and I want to participate in it. I really do. And I believe I do have free will to participate
00:40:41or not participate in it. And falling in love and staying in love is really part of that. Look,
00:40:45I've been married 34 years going on. This year will be 35 years that I've been married to Mrs. B.
00:40:50And Esther and I, I mean, it's like we have the same sort of difficulties as anybody else. We
00:40:54annoy the heck out of each other. Of course, we participate in what we believe is the divine will,
00:40:59which is that I will be laying my eyes on her as I take my dying breath. We participate in making
00:41:04sure that that's the case and that the gaze that I have in my dying day is one of lovingness. The
00:41:10way that I do that is by participating in what the divine will is, which is to make my marriage into
00:41:14an antenna to the divine. And that means participating in that will. Now,
00:41:20there is a really nice book that's worth reading for people who are religious, but even if you're
00:41:25not, it's philosophically really good. It's by Alphonsus Liguori. And I'll put it in the show
00:41:29notes. It's called Uniformity with God's Will. And what it really says is, this is interesting. A lot
00:41:36of religious people say, "I give in to God's will. I give in. Not my will, Lord, but yours. I give in."
00:41:43This goes farther. This is way more profound than that. That's like, "Lord, make me love what you
00:41:49want. Make me want what you want." That's uniformity with God's will, with the divine will. And even if
00:41:56you're not religious, look, things are going to happen to you. The elite metacognitive athlete of
00:42:02all the things we talk about in my class and on the show and in my column and in my books is this.
00:42:07The elite athlete actually says, "I want what's going to happen today. Bring it on." That's
00:42:14uniformity with the divine will. Can you do that? Well, this book by Alphonsus Liguori is really,
00:42:19really helpful for that. That's the Buddhist concept of right desire, by the way,
00:42:24to desire what's happening, not just give into it. So this is not a purely Catholic idea.
00:42:31Last one, then we'll be done. Anonymous. Once again, this is a different anonymous. I mean,
00:42:35it's like so many people name their kids that these days, writing into the email address.
00:42:39Were you ever afraid of wasting your time and skill? Listen to me. Was I ever afraid of wasting
00:42:44my time and skill? What did you do to rectify it? Yeah, every single day. That's actually my biggest
00:42:50problem is not that I'm wasting my time or my skill. It's that I'm pathologically afraid of it
00:42:56because I am a success addict extraordinaire. This leads to my workaholism, my self-objectification.
00:43:02It starts off that as a little kid, I got all the attention and affection because I did cool stuff
00:43:09like get good grades or learn how to play the French horn like a professional. Not my parents'
00:43:14fault. This is just the way that it was. And the result is that I mis-programmed my little
00:43:20limbic system into the belief that I earned love, which meant that I became addicted to achievement
00:43:27and success. And I got dopamine when I was winning. And that's been like, I'm 61 years old and I'm
00:43:33still fighting this thing. My problem is not that I'm wasting my time and skill. My problem is that
00:43:37I'm pathologically afraid of wasting my time and skill, which means I'm trying to put points on the
00:43:41board all the time. Now I'm not talking about me, fellow strivers. I'm actually talking about you.
00:43:46You watch and listen to this show because you got the same problems I do, which are not low-class
00:43:52problems. I mean, you're winning for a reason, but you deserve to have a happy life and you need to
00:43:57understand yourself in the process of doing so. For me, it harms a lot of enjoyment. Now,
00:44:03back to an early episode of the show, what is happiness? Enjoyment plus satisfaction plus
00:44:08meaning. This show today is about meaning. I write a lot about satisfaction and talk about it too.
00:44:14My big problem is enjoying my life because I'm trying to put points on the board all the time.
00:44:19And so what I need to do is actually understanding the true nature of what leisure means. Leisure is
00:44:25not what the Greeks would call acedia, which is chilling on a beach, man. It's really productive,
00:44:31generative activity that people are just not rewarding me for in worldly terms.
00:44:35And so that's the secret is to break out of this conundrum, to break out of this iron cage
00:44:42of success addiction is learning how to enjoy my life. I'm going to write a book about that
00:44:46at some point, but I'm going to do future episodes on you if you are like me and you need to enjoy
00:44:50your life a little bit more about how to do that. Okay. We've come to the end of the episode today,
00:44:54and I hope you've enjoyed it. I hope it was super boring for you. That's all I can say.
00:44:58Let me know your thoughts at office hours@arthurbricks.com. Remember the email address.
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Key Takeaway

True meaning in life can only be found by intentionally embracing boredom and silencing digital distractions to allow the brain's default mode network to engage in essential self-reflection.

Highlights

Boredom is a biological necessity for activating the Default Mode Network (DMN), which is responsible for self-reflection and meaning-making.

The modern "meaning crisis" is exacerbated by our ability to eliminate moment-to-moment boredom using digital devices, which prevents deep thinking.

People often prefer physical pain over the discomfort of boredom, as evidenced by experiments where subjects chose electric shocks over doing nothing.

Arthur Brooks shares a personal epiphany about "waiting" at a Howard Johnson's, realizing he needed to change his internal reaction rather than the external world.

Breaking the "doom loop" of boredom requires a protocol of phone-free times (first hour, last hour, meal times) and intentional practice of mindfulness.

Leo Tolstoy's life serves as a historical example that external success and wealth do not guarantee meaning, often found instead in ordinary, simple activities.

Timeline

The Paradox of Boredom and Meaning

Arthur Brooks introduces the concept of finding meaning through boredom, addressing the common feeling of living a "simulation" of an ordinary life. He introduces his new book, "The Meaning of Your Life," and discusses how a crisis of meaning actually presents an opportunity for personal growth. The speaker emphasizes that humans naturally hate a lack of self-autonomy and an external locus of control, which makes boredom feel unpleasant. However, he argues that one can only find life's meaning by allowing themselves to experience this discomfort. He invites the audience to join a movement dedicated to lifting people up through the science of happiness.

Personal Epiphany: The Pain of Waiting

Brooks recounts his early career as a classical musician and his realization that he pathologically hated waiting in restaurants and airports. He describes a specific moment at a Howard Johnson's diner where the cycle of waiting for menus, food, and checks drove him to create complex efficiency protocols. Eventually, he had an epiphany that the only way to solve the problem of waiting was to change his internal reaction rather than the world around him. By becoming comfortable with boredom, he discovered he could exercise the parts of his brain needed to ascertain the meaning of life. This shift from changing the outside to changing the inside led to significant happiness results in his personal journey.

The Science of Boredom Aversion

The speaker dives into behavioral science experiments, specifically those by Dan Gilbert, showing that people often prefer electric shocks to being left alone with their thoughts. He notes that roughly 25% of women and two-thirds of men would choose self-inflicted pain over boredom, highlighting our deep-seated need for control. The section also explores the "paradox of boredom" regarding time perception, where boring tasks feel significantly longer than engaging ones due to a focus on the clock. This creates a vicious cycle where boredom leads to unhappiness, which slows down the perception of time, leading to even more boredom. Brooks links these findings to "anti-flow" states and explains why we instinctively reach for distractions like phone games to escape this feeling.

The Default Mode Network and Self-Reflection

Brooks explains the neurobiology of boredom through the Default Mode Network (DMN), which involves the medial prefrontal cortex and other key brain structures. This network is responsible for self-reflection and answering the three big questions of meaning: coherence, purpose, and significance. He explains that the DMN only turns on when we are not occupied by external tasks, which is why people often get their best ideas in the shower. By constantly using technology to eliminate boredom, we are effectively switching off the very mechanism our brain uses to understand our existence. He warns that if we do not allow ourselves to be bored, we lose the ability to use our brains for their intended evolutionary purpose of finding meaning.

Leo Tolstoy and the Modern Meaning Crisis

The discussion shifts to historical context using the life of Leo Tolstoy, who experienced a profound existential crisis despite being wealthy and famous. Tolstoy found meaning not in art or science, but by observing Russian peasants who found significance in ordinary faith, family, and hard work. Brooks compares the lives of our ancestors, who had objectively boring moment-to-moment lives but found their overall lives meaningful, to modern humans who have exciting moments but feel their lives are boring. He identifies a "doom loop" where we use devices to wipe out boredom, which prevents DMN activation and leads to a sense of living a simulation. This lack of deep reflection eventually manifests as higher rates of anxiety and loneliness in the modern era.

Protocols for Breaking the Digital Addiction

To combat the boredom-avoidance cycle, Brooks proposes specific "phone-free" protocols aimed at moderation rather than total abstinence. He recommends strictly avoiding phones during the first hour of the day, the last hour before sleep, and during all meal times to protect brain chemistry and social bonding. He highlights the importance of "phone-free zones," particularly the bedroom, to ensure sleep architecture is not disrupted by blue light or dopamine-seeking behavior. The speaker also advocates for longer "phone fasts" of at least four days a year to detox the brain and reset its natural functioning. These steps are presented as necessary to reclaim the capacity for "blessed boredom" and the spiritual depth it provides.

The Practice of Mindfulness and Answering Listeners

In the final section, Brooks encourages the active practice of mindfulness, which he defines simply as "noticing new things" in the real world rather than simulated things on a screen. He suggests practical exercises like working out without headphones or staring out of a train window to allow the DMN to generate new, creative ideas. The episode concludes with a Q&A session covering the Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) theory, religious perspectives on "waiting" for God's will, and the fear of wasting one's skills. He admits his own struggle with success addiction and emphasizes the need to understand the true nature of leisure as generative activity. Finally, he urges listeners to like, subscribe, and engage with the community to help spread these insights about the science of happiness.

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