00:00:00"I want to talk today about finding meaning by being bored. Is your overall life kind of boring?"
00:00:06I hear that a lot. People who say to me, "I feel like I'm living a simulation of an ordinary life,
00:00:13and it's not that interesting." And you don't like it. Neither do I. I'm waiting. And I remember when
00:00:19I had this epiphany about this, that it was the thing I least liked in my life. We hate
00:00:25a low sense of self-autonomy. We hate that external locus of control. We want to be in
00:00:30control. Mother Nature doesn't care. She doesn't care if you don't like it. There's all kinds of
00:00:35things that you don't like that Mother Nature allows. Your preferences are not her concern.
00:00:40And you know what I'm telling you here, right? You can only find the meaning of your life
00:00:44if you allow yourself to be bored.
00:00:52Hi, everybody. Welcome to Office Hours. I'm Arthur Brooks. I'm a behavioral scientist dedicated to
00:00:57lifting people up and bringing them together in bonds of happiness and love. And this is a show
00:01:02about how to do that using science. I want to share these ideas with you because I need you in the
00:01:07movement with me, lifting people up all around you. I want you to become a teacher of happiness,
00:01:12and this is a show dedicated to help you do so, starting with yourself. This is a show that we've
00:01:17been working on every week for a long time, and it's really picking up a great audience. Thanks to
00:01:22you. You're recommending the show to a lot of people. I know. It's word of mouth is how it all
00:01:27works. And this week, I actually want to start on a multi-week set of episodes dedicated to my new
00:01:34book, The Meaning of Your Life, Finding Purpose in an Age of Emptiness. You can see it right here.
00:01:38It drops on March 31st. I hope you'll pick up a copy or, I don't know, get a couple thousand copies
00:01:44and give them to your closest friends. And I want to talk about the book and what's going on in the
00:01:49book about the problem of finding meaning in ordinary life. This is, like everything else,
00:01:54my opportunity to talk about what I think is the biggest problem. But also, as you know, if you're
00:01:59somebody who regularly watches the show, this is the opportunity for us to do something really great
00:02:03for the world. Because in every problem, you find the biggest opportunities. If you didn't have any
00:02:08problems, there wouldn't be any opportunities. Weakness is strength. That's one of the most
00:02:12important principles of behavioral science, but it's also a common sense principle about life on
00:02:17earth. So if you see a meaning crisis, the meaning of life, that's an opportunity for you to find
00:02:22yours and help other people find theirs as well. So I'm going to do a few episodes on exactly that
00:02:27about the book itself. Now, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about this show,
00:02:32this episode, this series, as always. So please do feedback. Send me your thoughts
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00:02:49here today. Also, because I want to talk a little bit more about that book and you might want to
00:02:54learn more about it, please go to the book's website, themeaningofyourlife.com, the website
00:02:59that's appearing in front of you right now. That's all one word, themeaningofyourlife.com, to learn
00:03:03more about a big event, a virtual event that you can actually attend from your house. I'm hosting
00:03:10that on March 27th. So you can go deeper on this topic. It's completely free. And you can learn a
00:03:16lot more from the book itself, The Meaning of Your Life. I want to talk today about finding meaning
00:03:21by being bored. Boredom is something that I've studied an awful lot. It's a very big area of
00:03:28interest to both psychologists and neuroscientists. And you don't like it. Neither do I. I'm going to
00:03:34talk to you about whether you like it or not, you need it, and how to incorporate it more seriously
00:03:40as a part of your meaningful life. How to make it not just easier, but something you can potentially
00:03:46look forward to. I want to talk about re-engineering certain parts of your life that include what you
00:03:51might've thought was boring, but in point of fact is something that will help you understand who you
00:03:57are as a person. Now stay tuned for a lot of reasons for that. Let me start by telling you
00:04:03how I started thinking about this particular topic. It goes way, way before I was a behavioral
00:04:08scientist. As some of you may know, because you've been watching the show or have followed my work for
00:04:11a while, I started off my career as a musician. When I was 19, I left college because I was a
00:04:17classical musician. That's all I wanted to do. And I didn't need a bachelor's degree to be a classical
00:04:22musician when you're auditioning for an orchestra and nobody's asking where you went to college.
00:04:27And I went on the road. I actually didn't start with an orchestra. I started playing chamber music.
00:04:31I was playing with a brass quintet. I was on the road about seven months a year, starting when I was
00:04:3619. So I am an inveterate road warrior. These days, I travel 48 weeks a year for touring and speaking
00:04:42and media. And that just started when I was a teenager. It's become kind of a way of life.
00:04:47Happiness is the open road. I really love it, as a matter of fact. I don't hate courtyard
00:04:52Marriott's. I don't hate airports. I don't. But there is one thing that I don't like about all
00:04:57this travel that I've been doing since I was a lad, since I was a classical musician all the way until
00:05:03today. Decades ago, I realized I hate waiting. I hate waiting. And I remember when I had this
00:05:10epiphany about this, that it was the thing I least liked in my life. We didn't have any money when I
00:05:14was playing chamber music and traveling around. And I was actually on tour with the great jazz
00:05:20guitar player Charlie Bird, who introduced bossa nova jazz to American audiences. We were someplace,
00:05:27North Dakota or something, which is beautiful, by the way. But I was eating at a Howard Johnson's.
00:05:33For those of you kids, that was a chain of motels and restaurants real popular back in the day.
00:05:42And they were basically diner food at the Howard Johnson's. And I had to eat my lunch or my dinner
00:05:46or whatever it was. And I was sitting at the Howard Johnson's. And I realized, you know, bugs me about
00:05:50this is not the fact that I'm going to eat a grilled cheese sandwich and some chili or whatever I was
00:05:56eating, which I wouldn't eat today. The problem is I come in and I sit down and I wait. And I wait for
00:06:02somebody to give me a menu. And then I wait for somebody to ask me my order. Then I wait for my
00:06:07food. And then I wait for my check. And I'm just waiting the whole time. And it drives me crazy.
00:06:13I don't like it, as a matter of fact. So what can I do to change all that? And I started putting
00:06:17together routines in my life that would make it easier. I would start walking into restaurants.
00:06:21And I would order on the way in before I even sat down. And then when I got my lunch, I would
00:06:27ask for the check with my lunch, because I was trying to develop all these sort of engineered
00:06:33protocols to it. Until at one point, I had kind of an epiphany. That the way to solve that problem,
00:06:40because you're never going to solve the problem of waiting. You're never going to solve it,
00:06:43because you're going to wait for your flight. Sorry, you can't do anything about that. You're
00:06:46going to wait for your groceries. You're going to wait. The way to actually have it not make me
00:06:51bitter was not to change the world. It was to start changing myself. I needed to change the inside,
00:06:58not to change the outside world. Now there's lots of things that you can do, and I still do.
00:07:01But the truth is I became more comfortable with the thing that was bothering me the most about waiting,
00:07:07which was my boredom. And when I did, I realized that that level of comfort with what I had to
00:07:14endure actually led to big happiness results in my life. That's what I want to talk about today.
00:07:22Because when I became more comfortable being bored, I didn't know it at the time, I do know now,
00:07:27I was using my brain in such a way that I was exercising the parts of my brain that I need
00:07:33to ascertain the meaning of my life. And that might be just what you need as well.
00:07:38Okay, now the problem with waiting, as I mentioned just a minute ago, is when you're doing nothing,
00:07:44because there's nothing occupying you, it's unbelievably boring. And we hate boredom. Now,
00:07:49I don't have to probably convince you of that. But of course, behavioral scientists have tested
00:07:54our aversion to boredom, how much we actually don't like boredom, which is to say,
00:07:58doing nothing or using our time unproductively, where the locus of control is outside of ourselves,
00:08:05we hate it. My colleague at Harvard, Dan Gilbert, he's done these great experiments, you know,
00:08:09where people have to sit in rooms and do absolutely nothing. And there's a bunch of experiments that
00:08:15are pretty interesting, where people are in the experiments, usually undergraduates, because
00:08:19they'll do anything for 20 bucks, they'll bring them into the laboratory, and they have to watch movies.
00:08:23And there are three kinds of movies, sad movies, neutral movies, or boring movies. Okay, so, you
00:08:30know, some tragedy or something that is just a basic adventure, or maybe it's like a, you know,
00:08:36a French art film, which is, you know, known for being really, really boring. Sorry to all my French
00:08:41art film friends out there. But anyway, and then what they had was they had this, like key fob,
00:08:45where they could press a button and self administer an electric shock. Kind of painful, as a matter of
00:08:51fact, I don't, I do not know how they got through that through an ethics committee at the university.
00:08:55But the people watching the films would occasionally shock themselves, and they found that they shocked
00:09:01themselves a lot during the boring films. In other words, people prefer pain to boredom. You're sitting
00:09:07there and, man, this movie is like it's not moving. It's like, hey, there we go. What they found also
00:09:14in a number of these self shocking experiments is that on average, about 25% of women shocked
00:09:19themselves, and about two thirds of the dudes. So that's another problem. The difference between men
00:09:24and women in their propensity to choose pain over boredom, maybe that explains a lot in your life.
00:09:30I'll put in the show notes some of these interesting studies in here. There's one that was in psychiatry
00:09:34research in 2016. Self-inflicted pain out of boredom kind of sums it up, but you can actually see how
00:09:40they, how they did the experiments. They're really well done. They're nice. So why, why, why would they
00:09:45do that? And the answer is we hate a low sense of self-autonomy. We hate that external locus of
00:09:52control. We want to be in control. When something else is controlling us, it's inherently unpleasant.
00:09:58And so the result of it is that we want to take back control, and shocking yourself is one of the
00:10:02ways that you can take back control about what's happening. When you're bored, it's like waiting
00:10:08for a delayed flight. And you all know how that feels, that long delayed flight, and you're waiting
00:10:13and, you know, every 15 minutes they give you an update. And they're like, yeah, you know, the inbound
00:10:18flight's been delayed, and then there's a mechanical, and we have to change out the crew, or there's a
00:10:24flight attendant who has a connecting flight and isn't getting here. It's getting later and later
00:10:28and later. And there's nothing in this kind of helpless feeling. And so you fritter away your time
00:10:33on your phone, but you hate it. Don't tell me you love playing solitaire on your phone. You don't.
00:10:39You're doing it to distract yourself. From what? From feeling frustrated and bored because the boredom
00:10:46itself is actually unpleasant. That's an interesting thing also that, here's one of the great
00:10:52paradoxes, is how boredom changes our time perception. And there's a lot of stuff I've
00:10:58actually written, done, you know, done work on our perception of time. When you're not engaged in
00:11:03something and you pay attention to time, time feels like it slows down. I mean, time doesn't slow down,
00:11:09obviously. When you're not paying attention to it and you're doing something that's really
00:11:12entertaining, time feels like it goes by really quickly. In the extreme, this is what the great
00:11:18social psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi wrote in his book Flow. Flow is when hours turn to minutes.
00:11:26And the reason is because you're losing yourself in a particular task. And you all know how that
00:11:30feels. For me, it's when I'm writing and I'm in the zone, man. And it's like, wow, four hours,
00:11:36especially if I set it up right with my morning protocol to optimize my brain chemistry. Go back
00:11:42to that episode if you want, my six-part morning protocol. That's one of my earlier shows. I got
00:11:46a million and a half views or something. People really wanted to know what those protocols were.
00:11:50But what it does is it sets you up neurochemically so that you can get more easily into a flow state.
00:11:55And that's really, really highly pleasurable. We're talking about the opposite here, not the flow
00:12:00state, the anti-flow state where you're not doing anything and there's nothing and it's frustrating
00:12:05you and you're paying attention to time. And so time slows down. There's a bunch of interesting
00:12:10experiments on that. There's one where people who are afraid of spiders, arachnophobia, are exposed
00:12:16to pictures of spiders. And then they make them estimate how much time has passed as they're
00:12:20looking at pictures of spiders. And inevitably, they think they've been looking at these things
00:12:24for 15 minutes and it's been more like 15 seconds. I'll put that paper in the show notes, of course,
00:12:30in case you're an arachnophobe or something. But also, you know about this when you're doing
00:12:34certain exercises. So I plank every day. Really, really good for your core. It's a great exercise
00:12:40for your back. My back hurts a lot, so I got to do this. And my PT says, yeah, I got to plank. Two
00:12:46minutes every day. It's like two minutes every day. Okay, two minutes, I can do two minutes. Two minutes
00:12:49feels long, man. I mean, it's easier than it was because I'm stronger than I was. But I'm looking
00:12:55at the timer on this. And that's the longest two minutes of my day is my morning plank when I'm at
00:13:01the gym. That's just kind of how it works. That's the paradox of boredom is that boring use of time
00:13:09actually feels like it takes longer than non-boring use of time. So it's not just the time itself is
00:13:15the perception of the time. And this leads to this kind of vicious cycle where you got nothing to do.
00:13:22And so you're bored, which makes you unhappy. That means time appears to slow. And when time slows,
00:13:29there's more boredom. And the whole thing goes around and around and around and around. That's
00:13:32interesting because the work that I've actually done on alcohol abuse and substance abuse,
00:13:37the two main predictors of alcohol abuse are anxiousness, anxiety, and boredom. So people
00:13:44who are really bored, they drink to relieve the boredom. But of course, life becomes incredibly
00:13:47boring when you're no longer doing interesting things because you drink too much and so you drink
00:13:52more. Same thing is true with anxiety. If you're really an anxious person and anxiety is very
00:13:57effectively dealt with in the extremely short run with alcohol, it literally cuts the connection
00:14:02between the limbic system of the brain where the feelings of anxiety are at least originating
00:14:09in conjunction with your stress hormones and your prefrontal cortex where you're aware of the
00:14:14anxiety. So you're anxious. You just don't know it. Alcohol cuts that connection. But of course,
00:14:19it comes rushing back the next day and you're more anxious. And so this gets you into these cycles.
00:14:24That's the problem with boredom. And it's the same kind of cycle that we get into with
00:14:29abusive substances. So here's a question. Why would evolution allow this? I mean,
00:14:36why is it that we would actually be bored, ever be bored? Why wouldn't we eliminate that
00:14:41in evolutionary biology? And here's the reason. Number one, Mother Nature doesn't care. She
00:14:49doesn't care if you don't like it. There's all kinds of things that you don't like that Mother
00:14:52Nature allows. Your preferences are not her concern, quite frankly. Your happiness is not Mother Nature's
00:14:57concern. If you're getting anything from office hours from the show, it's that you got to take
00:15:01control of your own happiness by standing up to your own natural proclivities. That's how you live
00:15:06in the space of moral aspiration, not in the space of animal impulse. This is kind of a case in point.
00:15:12Mother Nature doesn't care if you're bummed out because you're bored. And that's the first reason.
00:15:17But there actually are a bunch of benefits that come from boredom. And this is the big point that I want
00:15:21to get across. And this is why I'm doing this episode in conjunction with this new book. When
00:15:26you're bored, in other words, think about nothing. There's nothing to do. When you're sitting there
00:15:30in your thoughts, there's a set of structures in your brain that are collectively called the default
00:15:36mode network, the DMN to a neuroscientist. It's basically three sets of structures in your brain,
00:15:43the medial prefrontal cortex, the posterior cingulate cortex, and the inferior parietal
00:15:50lobule. So these are three parts that have a few functions in common. They allow you to, no, no,
00:15:57they govern and force you to self-reflect, thinking about yourself, thinking about your life,
00:16:03thinking about the mystery and what's going on around you. You don't self-reflect all that much.
00:16:08I mean, you think about yourself, you know, my job, my car, my sandwich, my money, but you don't self-reflect
00:16:15that much about the deeper things in your life. Self-reflection is what you need to do to understand
00:16:21the meaning of your life. How am I doing all these things? You know, why do things happen the way they
00:16:27do? What are my goals? What are my directions in life? Why does my life matter? That's self-reflection.
00:16:34And by the way, those are the big questions. Those are the deep questions I'm going to talk about in
00:16:38a future episode that constitute the three parts of meaning. Meaning is all about coherence. Why do
00:16:44things happen the way they do? Purpose. Why am I doing what I'm doing? And significance. Why does my
00:16:50life matter? Those are the three big why questions of meaning according to psychologists and philosophers.
00:16:55And that's exactly what you will naturally involuntarily start to assess when you're in the
00:17:01process of self-reflection, which you will do when the default mode network of your brain is illuminated,
00:17:06which you will illuminate when you get bored. But only when you get bored. You can't just turn it on.
00:17:10You gotta let it turn on. That's the sneaky little trick of mother nature. And you know what I'm
00:17:18telling you here, right? You can only find the meaning of your life if you allow yourself to be
00:17:22bored. And if you don't allow yourself to be bored, if you eliminate your boredom through, well, we'll
00:17:28talk about that here in a second, you're no longer going to be using your brain the way it needs to be
00:17:33used for you to find the meaning of your life. Now, when does this happen naturally? When you're in the
00:17:40shower, right? You'll notice you get your best ideas in the shower and epiphanies come to you and you
00:17:45realize certain things about your life when you're in the shower. Why is that? Well, here's the reason.
00:17:50You probably don't have your phone in there. Yeah, I know a bunch of you are like, "Yeah, I have my phone
00:17:54in there." Get your phone out of there for Pete's sake. I know it's waterproof, but come on. So I'm
00:18:00going to get back to this in a second because you know where I'm leading you to. I'm leading you to
00:18:04the ways in which we've learned how to eliminate boredom and the inventions that make that possible
00:18:09and the role that they're having for eliminating the meaning of life. I'm going to get there,
00:18:12trust me, but I want to ask another question before I do that. Why now? Why now? You know, why is it that
00:18:21kind of for the first time in history we're having this big meaning crisis? And it's actually not
00:18:28exclusively now. I mean, I go back and I look at the autobiography of Leo Tolstoy, you know, the greatest
00:18:33probably along with Fyodor Dostoevsky, the greatest Russian existentialist, the novelist. There's a lot
00:18:40of new interest among adults under 30 today in the Russian existentialist. This is kind of the new
00:18:46thing that I'm seeing actually among my students. People are very interested in it. In Leo Tolstoy's
00:18:52autobiography, he talks about the fact that when he was 51 years old, he wanted to do himself in.
00:18:57He wanted to end his life. And you're thinking to yourself, "Well, that must be because
00:19:02he's a writer. I mean, he's a tortured artist. He was probably poor and life was tough, especially in
00:19:071890s Russia, man." No, no, no. That's not the reason. Leo Tolstoy was literally the most famous
00:19:13writer of his time. He was rich. He was famous. He was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature
00:19:18several times. He had a marriage that lasted his entire life. He didn't have these weird
00:19:23relationships. He had a complicated marriage, actually. They fought a lot, but they had 13 kids,
00:19:27so they were doing something right. They loved each other enough for that. That's not why he was so
00:19:33profoundly depressed. Tolstoy was depressed, he said, because he didn't know the meaning of his
00:19:38life. Now, which sounds an awful lot like today, so many people tell me. So many people tell me that
00:19:44again and again and again. He was ahead of his time. If you're struggling, you're a modern day
00:19:50Tolstoy. Because he said, "I turned to my art. I turned to my writing. I turned to my work."
00:19:55So he said at one point, he turned to science because science was uncovering everything,
00:20:00which today would be technology. That's going to figure out everything. AI is going to figure
00:20:04out the meaning of my life right today. Then it was biology and mathematics working out everything
00:20:09with infinitesimal certitude and exactitude. No, I didn't do it either. By the end of the day,
00:20:16he realized that or he felt that his life just didn't have any meaning at all. It wasn't worth
00:20:20living. Until finally, he decided to in one last effort, he ran away temporarily. He ran away for
00:20:31a few months to think, "Do I need to end it?" He went to a little village some distance from Moscow.
00:20:38And in this little village, he lived among these really simple Russian peasants, farmers mostly.
00:20:46And they didn't know who had just come to their village. This is like this guy with a beard
00:20:50showed up. Tolstoy, the most famous writer of his time was completely unknown to them because
00:20:55they were illiterate, which is exactly what he wanted. He just wanted to live there. And
00:21:01he just wanted peace and quiet. He didn't want people asking for his autograph. And what he found
00:21:06was he found meaning from them. He said it wasn't because they were rubes and hopeless and didn't
00:21:14care. It wasn't that at all. He said they found tons of meaning in their ordinary lives of their
00:21:19faith, their simple faith, the family relationships that they had, the close friendships that they had,
00:21:24the things they would do together, the way that they put their effort into their work,
00:21:29their agricultural work. And they found meaning in those ordinary old-fashioned things he found.
00:21:36And that's what saved his life because he realized that he needed to live like people in the old days.
00:21:42And here's my point. If you're struggling with meaning, which millions of people are today,
00:21:48like that was rare during Tolstoy's time. It's not rare today. It means you need to take his
00:21:56epiphany into your life as well. Why is it that your great-grandfather never came home from work
00:22:03and said something like to his wife, your great-grandmother, "Honey, I had a panic attack
00:22:09behind a mule today." No. The reason is because his brain was working the way it was supposed to.
00:22:16It wasn't a thing. The flooding of the hypothalamic pituitary axis, the HPA axis,
00:22:23wasn't happening where the adrenal systems were completely freaking out because his brain was
00:22:28working the way it was supposed to. Now, here's the irony of your great-grandfather's life compared
00:22:34to yours. His life was actually moment to moment behind that mule or behind the machine or at the
00:22:40post office or wherever he worked. Pretty objectively boring. He didn't have a phone. He didn't have
00:22:47anything. He just had to live his life from moment to moment. So objectively speaking, his life was
00:22:53pretty boring in all the ways that I've been complaining about in my own life too. But when he
00:22:59got to the end of his life, I guarantee you that at his funeral, his widow didn't say, "His life was
00:23:05boring, man." No. Because his life wasn't boring. His moments might've been, but his life wasn't.
00:23:12Now, think about your own life. I bet you're never bored moment to moment because you've found a way
00:23:18that we're going to talk about right now to eliminate your boredom moment to moment.
00:23:22But is your overall life boring? I hear that a lot. People who say to me, "I feel like I'm living a
00:23:29simulation of an ordinary life." And it's not that interesting. The reason is because the moment to
00:23:37moment boredom elimination is adding up to a boring life, the exact opposite. That's what Tolstoy found,
00:23:46but we got to talk about how we can find that too. Now, this whole series on finding the meaning of
00:23:51life is going to talk about living in a new kind of old fashioned way. Part of this is going to require
00:23:58that we understand how technology and engineering has made that harder, but part of this is going to
00:24:04be really, really practical on how we can do exactly that while still being fully modern human beings.
00:24:09Now, let's talk for a moment about what I call the doom loop that people get into that you might
00:24:16be in in your own life as well. Addiction medicine is always about, at least in the initial stages of
00:24:25addiction recovery, breaking the doom loop that all addicts are in. So for example, you have boredom or
00:24:32anxiety or both in your life and you find yourself drinking too much and this goes on for a long time.
00:24:37And this leads to a more actually objectively more boring life and certainly a lot more anxiety and
00:24:42that leads to escalation. And that's a trap that becomes a doom loop. I drink, the problem gets worse.
00:24:49I drink more, the problem gets worse. And you don't know how to clip that, right? Well, there's a doom
00:24:54loop that we're in as well. You're bored and so what do you do? Well, you wiped it out with the
00:25:01anti-boredom device in your pocket, didn't you? You know, it's like I'm sitting at a stoplight. The
00:25:06stoplight's red. Man, this is taking a long time. I don't want to sit at the stoplight for three minutes.
00:25:13Out comes your phone. You look at your notifications. You look at your text. You know there's nothing
00:25:19there. What you're trying to do is not let the default mode network turn on because that's
00:25:23uncomfortable for you. It's frustrating for you. You don't like it. So the device leads to the off switch
00:25:31on the default mode network. That leads to a lack of you understanding meaning and this really starts
00:25:37to add up very quickly such that you have less ability to cope with your boredom, more depression,
00:25:43more loneliness, which comes when you don't know the meaning of your life and you're not assessing the
00:25:48meaning of your life. And that leads to escalation in the behavior. I might as well look at my devices.
00:25:54And that leads to the crisis that a lot of people are in and the addiction and the simulation of a
00:26:00real life. That's the doom loop. And it goes around and around and around. This eats away at your
00:26:06happiness. This eats away at the depth that you're actually feeling about your own life. That's a
00:26:11problem that you need to solve, that you want to solve. And if you're still watching this episode
00:26:16it's because you're committed to doing exactly that and I want to help you do it. Okay, so this requires
00:26:24that you have a different orientation to your devices and a different orientation to your boredom.
00:26:31Let's start with part one which is a different orientation toward your devices. Now I've done
00:26:34a whole show on phone addiction. I have a whole phone protocol show and I'm not going to go over
00:26:39that entire episode. Suffice it to say that you need to change your behavior with your phone not
00:26:44throw your phone away if you actually want to break out of this doom loop. To clip that it's not
00:26:49abstinence, it's moderation. And part of the reason is because I could tell you to abstain entirely
00:26:54from your device use but you wouldn't do it because you can't. You can't get into your bank account.
00:26:58You probably can't get on an airplane anymore. You got to have that thing in your pocket and besides
00:27:02your mom's going to call you and that's a good thing. Here's all you need to do fundamentally.
00:27:07You need these basic phone free times, phone free zones, and then phone fasts during the year.
00:27:15The phone free times that I've talked about in this show before are first hour of the day. You
00:27:20shouldn't look at your phone in the first hour of the day and a lot of neural programming actually
00:27:24happens in the first hour of the day. You set yourself up for a day when you're going to use
00:27:27your brain the way it should be used but not if this is the first thing you look at when you wake
00:27:31up. It's like next to you and then you look at it first thing and then you start scrolling immediately.
00:27:36That's catastrophically bad. The second is the last thing before you go to sleep at night and part of
00:27:41that is blue screen activity which interrupts the functioning of your pineal gland leading to lower
00:27:46levels of natural melatonin and it messes up your sleep architecture and you know that but also it's
00:27:52because you need to be thinking about the meaning of your life. You need the default mode network to
00:27:56be working as you go to sleep because sleep time is real time. It's really important for you to have a
00:28:01proper working of your brain with a proper lead up to the proper working of your brain. You'll
00:28:06sleep better but also you'll use your sleep that'll help you understand the meaning of your life
00:28:10in a better way. The last time is meal time and part of that just has to do with evolution.
00:28:15We homo sapiens still have brains that are accommodated to the circumstances in the Pleistocene
00:28:20as far back as 250,000 years ago and the way that we understand meaning like what's going on in life
00:28:27is by talking to each other as we eat in groups like putting yak meat in your mouth around a
00:28:33campfire looking at each other in the eyes. You will get oxytocin a neuropeptide that is intensely
00:28:40pleasurable. You'll bond to each other and understand meaning more when you do that but if
00:28:44your phone is sitting on the table even seeing the inanimate object and imagining the notifications
00:28:50of the texts that you're not experiencing will interrupt the oxytocin flow. So that's why you
00:28:55shouldn't actually even have your phones on tables while you eat but that's just it. That's it. First
00:29:00hour, last hour, meal times. That's it. The phone free zones they most importantly include your
00:29:05bedroom. You shouldn't have your phone in your bedroom. You'll sleep very poorly. Now after you
00:29:10get used to this protocol you can have your phone in the bedroom because you won't look at it. I can
00:29:15literally have my phone in my bedroom. I can use my phone as my alarm clock. I won't look at it at
00:29:19night because I'm out of the habit of doing that but it takes a while to do that. I had to keep my
00:29:23phone which I actually ordinarily do when I'm home which is I'm home half the time. I'm on the road
00:29:28half the time. The half the time that I'm home my phone is closed up in a closet that has plugs in it
00:29:34in a different floor of the house. So you need something like that. Cal Newport who teaches at
00:29:40Georgetown and writes great books about optimization of time he has his phone foyer method. When he comes
00:29:46into the house his phone stays in the foyer of his house and he has to go out there to look at it if
00:29:50he actually at any time when he's home. So he's even more hardcore than I am. And then of course
00:29:54in classrooms. I mean I've been pounding the table for years about getting phones out of classrooms.
00:30:01Half the states still have phone use with absolutely no restrictions which is insanity. It's just weak
00:30:08willed politicians and school officials that are actually letting that happen. It shouldn't be
00:30:13happening. And then last but not least you need time away from it every year. You should take at
00:30:16least four days a year away from your phone. Just do that. I'm not asking you to throw in the ocean.
00:30:21I'm not asking you to join a monastery unless that's your thing. Just doing that will clip the
00:30:26doom loop. It's basically detox. You'll change the way that your brain works and then you'll be better
00:30:32able to at will turn on the default mode network and reintroduce this really important idea into
00:30:39your life of blessed boredom the way that your brain is supposed to work. And that's part two
00:30:45is the practice of boredom. It's got to be a thing. And again you wouldn't have to tell great grandpa
00:30:50you know go practice boredom. You say what what are you talking about? That's stupid. I mean why
00:30:56do I need to practice boredom? I'm bored all the time. You do because you're not. That's what it
00:31:01comes down to. You need to simulate the more ancient environment under the circumstances. And there are
00:31:06a bunch of different ways to do that. You know this is one of the things that I recommend is that
00:31:10people work out more without headphones. And I do that at least once a week sometimes more when I'm
00:31:15really chewing on a problem in my work. I mean not like a problem like a crisis but you know I'm
00:31:21writing a column all the time for the free press. I gotta come up with an angle. I gotta come up with
00:31:26something interesting. And you know that's the hard part that actually requires the epiphany. I'm not
00:31:31gonna get the epiphany if I'm never bored quite frankly. Because when you're bored is when it
00:31:36happens. That's the shower effect right? Could take hour-long showers. I prefer to work out for an hour
00:31:40and take a two-minute shower. And so when I need the idea I don't use headphones when I work out
00:31:46and it works the same way because the default mode network turns on when I'm working out. Especially
00:31:51if I'm doing zone two cardio and I get the idea. Inevitably I get the idea because I'm using my
00:31:56brain the way it was supposed to be used in the first place. When I'm commuting a lot of the time
00:32:01I will you know which I don't do a lot but you know my commute is largely on the plane. But often
00:32:06if I'm flying from Boston to Washington which is a very frequent commute to me or New York to DC or
00:32:11you know these relatively small flights. I won't get internet and I won't take out my computer
00:32:16and I'll sit there. I'll sit there. I'll actually I'll use the commute in that particular way or if
00:32:22I have a long drive or something. And it's actually beautiful. At first it's like ah I gotta do
00:32:26something but then it's like this is good. And once you get used to it this is something that you'll
00:32:32really really value. There are people I mean I have students at the Harvard Business School who talk
00:32:37about using long flights to do this. They'll use there's actually a rude expression for it that I'm
00:32:44not going to dignify in this show because this is family entertainment. That you know they'll they'll
00:32:49stare at the seat in front of them. You know some people talk about like six or seven hour flights.
00:32:55No entertainment. No food. No sleeping. No bathroom. I mean that's pretty hardcore.
00:33:00But the whole point is what can you do to actually bring this back into your life. Now what what this
00:33:06really is in the in the literature on meditation is a practice of mindfulness is what it comes down
00:33:12to. Mindfulness is hard because mindfulness is boring to a lot of people and we're just
00:33:17really bad at boredom. You might think of mindfulness as kind of an exotic Buddhist
00:33:22meditation technique but the truth of the matter is that that it isn't that sophisticated. My
00:33:27colleague at Harvard Ellen Langer in the psychology department she wrote the first big book that took
00:33:33the west by storm about mindfulness. It's called mindfulness look it up she wrote it 25 years ago.
00:33:38What she talks about and I've actually had her on on a previous podcast where she defined it as
00:33:45noticing new things. Simply noticing new things. So here's how you practice mindfulness according
00:33:50to her. You're sitting on the train and the train rides like an hour and you put your phone away and
00:33:55you put your hands in your lap and you look out the window. Yeah you sick and twisted freak. You're not
00:34:01even looking at your phone and there's a tree out there that you go by and you're like huh a tree.
00:34:06Actively notice things is what it comes down to as opposed to inactively noticing simulated things.
00:34:14That's what you're doing on your phone. You're inactively you're passively being fed fake things
00:34:20all day long. You like that I know you don't. Actively on purpose notice real things that's
00:34:27mindfulness that's all it is that you can turn it into something really sophisticated and and do your
00:34:32soul cycle or you know whatever happens to be with an intention and all that but you don't have to
00:34:36make it all that sophisticated you can just live you know in your ordinary life. You're not changing the
00:34:44world when you do that you notice that you've actually let go you practice non-resistance to
00:34:50your boredom and non-resistance is your friend when it comes to boredom because what you've done with
00:34:56non-resistance is actively decided to change your reaction to the non-resistance through non-reaction
00:35:04to the boredom itself is all the change that you actually need. The world's going to be the world
00:35:09and when you do that you've invited into your own life a process a neurobiological process that you
00:35:16actually need but also it's a metaphysical process because when you do that you're going to find that
00:35:21you're a more spiritual person. You're a person who's more dedicated to deeper things in life.
00:35:26You're going to find that this starts to enrich your conversations because of the crazy ideas
00:35:29that actually came into your head that you never would have thought of before. You're not going to
00:35:34talk about some stupid reel you saw on on social media. You're going to be thinking about well what
00:35:39your parents probably talked about in their late night bowl sessions in their dorm because they
00:35:44didn't have any phone to look at in the first place. Maybe this is going to turn into a set
00:35:49of really deep and interesting dinner party conversations for you and your partner or your
00:35:53spouse. Yeah that's the benefit your default mode network can bring to you. This can really change
00:36:00your life I promise. It has really changed my life. I'm grateful for the epiphany at the Howard
00:36:05Johnson's because it led me on a path that really only came to full fruition when I started
00:36:11studying behavioral science and started working very very seriously on the meaning of life this
00:36:16particular problem. If you want more of this you can find it in this book The Meaning of Your Life
00:36:20and also by going to the website themeaningofyourlife.com to participate in events and
00:36:26have discussions and join our community around this and many other topics that you'll be hearing about
00:36:30on the podcast and in a lot of other places. Before I sign off I want to do as I always do some
00:36:35listener questions. First one comes from Lulu Wilson and the source is Seek Audio. I was wondering
00:36:42what are your thoughts on the highly sensitive person theory? Is it legit? What's your advice
00:36:48to young highly sensitive people that are growing up in an overwhelming world that expects young
00:36:53people only to enjoy partying and social media? Now to begin with you don't have to be a highly
00:36:58sensitive person to be bummed out about the fact that we have a culture that's putting itself into
00:37:02decline by paying attention to trivialities and not things that matter. Things that matter,
00:37:07they matter. That's why they're called things that matter. And news flash, the stuff that's
00:37:12in the simulation crossing your consciousness doesn't include that. So for everybody highly
00:37:18sensitive or highly insensitive you need to break out of that doom loop, the cycle that we've been
00:37:22talking about in this show. But back to Lulu's big question which is the highly sensitive person which
00:37:27in the literature is just HSP, highly sensitive person, who also is somebody who is affected by
00:37:33SPS which is known as sensory processing sensitivity. It is somewhat controversial,
00:37:39you know, does it actually exist? I think it does. Probably like most things today it's overestimated.
00:37:46Most people who talk about this say it's between 20 and 35 percent of the population.
00:37:51When 35 percent of the population has something it's not a pathology really anymore. It's just
00:37:56something that we all have, you know. This is how I talk about anxiety and sadness with my students,
00:38:02for example, is that you you're suffering from a lot of ruminative melancholy. Well, yeah,
00:38:07that's called life on earth. If you don't, you need therapy. But I get it because when it's at very,
00:38:13very high and acute levels it can be corresponding to some level of disability of anxiety and a lot of
00:38:19depression. And also just, you know, the way that people actually live. You know, one of my kids was,
00:38:24I had a doctor that was talking about this and it's like how do I know? It's like he couldn't wear the
00:38:31seam on his socks in the wrong part of his foot, you know, that kind of thing. So bottom line is
00:38:35if this is bothering you I get it and I'm sympathetic. But here's the whole thing that
00:38:39I want to point out. The literature also suggests that highly sensitive people have super strengths
00:38:44and this is true of all areas of neurodivergence or even disability for that matter. There's always
00:38:51super strength that are behind it. Highly sensitive people, they tend to be more compassionate than
00:38:56average. They tend to be more pro-social than average. Do they suffer more? Probably. But are
00:39:01they better for humanity? You bet. So if you're a parent of somebody like this, this is what you need
00:39:07to develop so that your child, or if it's you, you can actually live up to what humanity needs from
00:39:14you and as a result to prosper along the way. So bless you for that. Here's an anonymous question.
00:39:19This comes in over the email address officehours@authorbooks.com. This is from anonymous. Thank
00:39:24you anonymous. The anonymous sends me so many. I've noticed that many people who are hoping to
00:39:28find a partner simply wait. These are religious people and they say, "I'm just trusting God's plan."
00:39:35Okay, this is great. You know, this is actually a theological question. I can't help but wonder
00:39:42if that kind of waiting is truly what God intends for us or if we're meant to take a more active
00:39:46role in seeking the right person. This is a bit above my pay grade, sweet anonymous. The whole
00:39:53point of this gets into Protestant theology and predestination versus free will and should you
00:40:00participate and faith without works is dead in the epistle of St. James. There's a lot that goes into
00:40:08this that's theologically and philosophically really, really, really dense. But here's how I
00:40:13think about it. As a traditional, you know, person of faith, as we say sort of euphemistically,
00:40:18I'm a Catholic, as most of you know, I go to mass every day, really important part of my life.
00:40:22I believe I have an opportunity to participate in the divine will for my life. And again,
00:40:29even if I weren't traditionally religious, I would believe that there is a metaphysical design for
00:40:33my life and I want to participate in it. I really do. And I believe I do have free will to participate
00:40:41or not participate in it. And falling in love and staying in love is really part of that. Look,
00:40:45I've been married 34 years going on. This year will be 35 years that I've been married to Mrs. B.
00:40:50And Esther and I, I mean, it's like we have the same sort of difficulties as anybody else. We
00:40:54annoy the heck out of each other. Of course, we participate in what we believe is the divine will,
00:40:59which is that I will be laying my eyes on her as I take my dying breath. We participate in making
00:41:04sure that that's the case and that the gaze that I have in my dying day is one of lovingness. The
00:41:10way that I do that is by participating in what the divine will is, which is to make my marriage into
00:41:14an antenna to the divine. And that means participating in that will. Now,
00:41:20there is a really nice book that's worth reading for people who are religious, but even if you're
00:41:25not, it's philosophically really good. It's by Alphonsus Liguori. And I'll put it in the show
00:41:29notes. It's called Uniformity with God's Will. And what it really says is, this is interesting. A lot
00:41:36of religious people say, "I give in to God's will. I give in. Not my will, Lord, but yours. I give in."
00:41:43This goes farther. This is way more profound than that. That's like, "Lord, make me love what you
00:41:49want. Make me want what you want." That's uniformity with God's will, with the divine will. And even if
00:41:56you're not religious, look, things are going to happen to you. The elite metacognitive athlete of
00:42:02all the things we talk about in my class and on the show and in my column and in my books is this.
00:42:07The elite athlete actually says, "I want what's going to happen today. Bring it on." That's
00:42:14uniformity with the divine will. Can you do that? Well, this book by Alphonsus Liguori is really,
00:42:19really helpful for that. That's the Buddhist concept of right desire, by the way,
00:42:24to desire what's happening, not just give into it. So this is not a purely Catholic idea.
00:42:31Last one, then we'll be done. Anonymous. Once again, this is a different anonymous. I mean,
00:42:35it's like so many people name their kids that these days, writing into the email address.
00:42:39Were you ever afraid of wasting your time and skill? Listen to me. Was I ever afraid of wasting
00:42:44my time and skill? What did you do to rectify it? Yeah, every single day. That's actually my biggest
00:42:50problem is not that I'm wasting my time or my skill. It's that I'm pathologically afraid of it
00:42:56because I am a success addict extraordinaire. This leads to my workaholism, my self-objectification.
00:43:02It starts off that as a little kid, I got all the attention and affection because I did cool stuff
00:43:09like get good grades or learn how to play the French horn like a professional. Not my parents'
00:43:14fault. This is just the way that it was. And the result is that I mis-programmed my little
00:43:20limbic system into the belief that I earned love, which meant that I became addicted to achievement
00:43:27and success. And I got dopamine when I was winning. And that's been like, I'm 61 years old and I'm
00:43:33still fighting this thing. My problem is not that I'm wasting my time and skill. My problem is that
00:43:37I'm pathologically afraid of wasting my time and skill, which means I'm trying to put points on the
00:43:41board all the time. Now I'm not talking about me, fellow strivers. I'm actually talking about you.
00:43:46You watch and listen to this show because you got the same problems I do, which are not low-class
00:43:52problems. I mean, you're winning for a reason, but you deserve to have a happy life and you need to
00:43:57understand yourself in the process of doing so. For me, it harms a lot of enjoyment. Now,
00:44:03back to an early episode of the show, what is happiness? Enjoyment plus satisfaction plus
00:44:08meaning. This show today is about meaning. I write a lot about satisfaction and talk about it too.
00:44:14My big problem is enjoying my life because I'm trying to put points on the board all the time.
00:44:19And so what I need to do is actually understanding the true nature of what leisure means. Leisure is
00:44:25not what the Greeks would call acedia, which is chilling on a beach, man. It's really productive,
00:44:31generative activity that people are just not rewarding me for in worldly terms.
00:44:35And so that's the secret is to break out of this conundrum, to break out of this iron cage
00:44:42of success addiction is learning how to enjoy my life. I'm going to write a book about that
00:44:46at some point, but I'm going to do future episodes on you if you are like me and you need to enjoy
00:44:50your life a little bit more about how to do that. Okay. We've come to the end of the episode today,
00:44:54and I hope you've enjoyed it. I hope it was super boring for you. That's all I can say.
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