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00:00:00I wonder whether or not the modern world is incompatible with some of the ugly things that
00:00:06need to happen in war.
00:00:10Anybody who's been to Afghanistan, anybody who's been to Iraq or any other wars, they know if we
00:00:15really wanted to win that war, we could win it fast. They don't want us to win it fast. I don't
00:00:22know who doesn't. Tell me more about this. What do you mean? If you grabbed all the five eyes,
00:00:28so U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada, New Zealand, if you just grabbed us and dropped us into Iraq and said
00:00:37you have six months to close out the entire thing, could we? 100%. They don't want us to. And I think
00:00:44that's for a bunch of different reasons, but one of them is you don't want to see what that actually
00:00:48looks like. You don't want to watch special operations and all of this, the whole military
00:00:54might push through Fallujah and clear it all out. They don't want to see what clearing Fallujah
00:00:59actually means. When you hear the Marines cleared Fallujah, they don't know what that means.
00:01:04What does it mean?
00:01:04They went door to door and killed every single male that was still there. Everybody who's willing
00:01:09to fight, they killed them all. That's how you clear the village. So they gave them, told them the
00:01:14time, get out by this day. If not, we're pushing through and anybody who's left the fight,
00:01:18we're going to kill. And that's what they did. That's how you do it. People don't want to see
00:01:23that. People don't want to live that. They don't want to realize that's the reality. So all your
00:01:26grandfathers were fighting in World War II. I promise you they weren't handing out Hershey
00:01:30kisses and handshakes. That's not what they did. They had flamethrowers, for God's sake.
00:01:36You think they're getting us a flamethrower now? No. We can't even use Claymore Mines.
00:01:41There's a whole bunch of stuff we used to use back in the day, and because now it's too cruel
00:01:44and unusual, Geneva Convention threw it out. A bunch of munitions you can't use, rounds you can't shoot
00:01:50people with, a bunch of different weird stuff. Is that being adhered to by the other side?
00:01:54No. No. They're blowing you up. They're doing whatever they want to. Suicide vest on children,
00:01:59like they do whatever they want to. That makes it very, very hard to fight. So for you, you run in,
00:02:06you're a dad, you're a husband, you're a friend, you're an uncle, little kids all around. You have no
00:02:10idea if they have a suicide vest on now. Are they holding grenades for their father? You have no idea.
00:02:14It really makes you lose trust in people, because now you don't know. As soon as you drop your guard,
00:02:22one thing happens. You're like, I'll never let that happen again. Technology advances. You get
00:02:27new pieces of tech, and now you can see through clothing. You can buy down the risk a little bit,
00:02:31but they get very, very smart. See the smart bombs? They try to sneak through TSA all the time.
00:02:38They understand exactly what we're trying to do, and you're trying to counter it every single day.
00:02:42How frustrating is that, as someone whose life's on the line, and also is trying to
00:02:46dedicate their career to doing this well? It's a big cat and mouse game.
00:02:50I move my piece here, you move your piece here. So you've kind of accepted this as the cost of
00:02:55doing business, that you're going to have to adhere by a set of rules that the other side doesn't have
00:02:58to. You're not allowed to pick the ball up, you have to kick it. But they're allowed to pick it up
00:03:02and run with it. That's exactly what it is. It's like, do you really want us to win, or do you really
00:03:07want us to engage in this 20-year war because of all the technological advancements that have come
00:03:12out of that war? Advancements in armament, ISR platforms, body armor, life-saved medical devices.
00:03:18But really, war creates a lot of money. A lot of people became billionaires really, really fast
00:03:23because of the war. That's it. All these companies sprung up, and Raytheon, Boeing, everybody is
00:03:30involved. Everybody is making just piles and piles of money. And he's saying that
00:03:34protracting out, extending an enmeshment between two different sides, that's the sort of thing that
00:03:43would continue to grease the wheels of that, and blasting through quickly would end the money
00:03:50printer. Yeah, I mean, it's like what Trump's doing in Iran right now. He doesn't want to be in there
00:03:55for 20 years. I want to go in, I want to smash you, show you I'm not going to take this shit anymore,
00:03:59and then I want to leave. Is it going to work? I have no idea. We've never tried it before. We
00:04:04always put in these long, drawn-out conflicts that we know you don't need to. What would you do if
00:04:09you wanted to end the war in Iran, quickly? No, you don't know what I'd do.
00:04:15You're allowed to. This is hypothetical only. We're playing Sidney as civilizations.
00:04:20And you need to end it quickly.
00:04:25Nobody's going to like my answer. It's just not. It's not. If I say one thing,
00:04:32then I'm on the Israel side. If I say this and I'm against it, you're always going to be put across.
00:04:36Let's forget that. Let's say an imaginary country in somewhere that's in the Middle East
00:04:41that doesn't exist.
00:04:45Are they building nuclear weapons?
00:04:46Sure.
00:04:47Are they ready to use them?
00:04:47Sure.
00:04:48And we know they have them.
00:04:49Sure.
00:04:51Press the button?
00:04:52Mm-hmm.
00:04:56Yeah.
00:04:59Yeah.
00:05:00There's no other way.
00:05:02This isn't.
00:05:02You're drawn into a 20-year campaign, doing the entire thing,
00:05:06or all the countries all come in alignment. Like, we can't let this happen. We can't. We can't.
00:05:13Everybody in agreeance? Okay. Can't do it anymore.
00:05:16And what if that's not a threat?
00:05:21How would it not be a threat?
00:05:23They don't have it. They don't have the materials. They're not able to make it.
00:05:25The nuclear armaments on the other side is not a concern.
00:05:29It seems to me like, if you're unable to use that, unless you can drop the fat man equivalent,
00:05:37then it becomes a much more difficult operation, because then it does look a lot more like,
00:05:44presumably, door-to-door stuff.
00:05:47Or you could just fly in black ops with some really cool dudes in multicam,
00:05:50snatch a president out of their house in the middle of the night and call it a day.
00:05:53That's happened recently.
00:05:55Pretty cool job.
00:05:56Do you know much about it? Were you excited sort of tracking that?
00:05:59Oh, I was, no. But nobody jumped up faster out of their chair and cheered than I did.
00:06:04I was so stoked for him. That's a cool job to do.
00:06:07Why?
00:06:10Snatched the president out of his house in the middle of the night.
00:06:12Like, no one else is pulling that off. Nobody.
00:06:16Do you think anybody's going to fly a black hawk and land in the White House lawn
00:06:18and run in and grab Donald Trump and bring him out? No.
00:06:21I think lots of people have probably thought about doing that.
00:06:23Nobody's going to pull that off. Nobody's pulling that off.
00:06:26That is a unicorn rate.
00:06:28Are you, yeah, are you surprised by what was done, what you know about how it was done?
00:06:36No.
00:06:37Pretty standard procedure? Just done at a very, very elite, precise level?
00:06:41Mm-hmm. That's what they do. That's what they do.
00:06:45Everybody, everybody who was involved in that was like me and everybody else who ever did that job.
00:06:50You are praying that that is going to happen.
00:06:53You are praying- That's your Super Bowl.
00:06:54Oh, my God.
00:06:55If, if you had an opportunity, and I promise you they'd all say the same, no, and you'd say the same thing.
00:06:59Right now you want to be on the helo.
00:07:00Yep. Cut off a finger. Done.
00:07:02What?
00:07:02I'd cut it off right now, jump on a helo, and I'd go 100%. Yeah. I mean, that's the only reason you're on the planet. You want to do things like that because no one else can pull them off.
00:07:12It is, but it shows the, really the strength in military. He will do it. He will. My last, my last rotation was Trump's first one. And I don't know what he says on those phone calls. I don't know how he, he avoids conflict. And I think everybody thinks he just wants to go to war, wants to go to war.
00:07:35We got spun up on a really big op that I ain't going to talk about, so don't ask me. He canceled us on the ramp. We were getting ready to jump in and send it, and they canceled us on the ramp because he worked it out with a phone call. I don't know what he says. I don't know what he does, but he does something. Probably says something like, don't make me do it. I'll do it. Don't make me. Somehow they come to their senses and somehow they solve it.
00:07:58That's one of the catch-22s of having a leader who seems to be at least somewhat predictable and a bit bombastic, that he actually might press the button.
00:08:15You know, people are severely concerned that he might run for a third term, right? That would be kind of the domestic equivalent of doing this. But even the fact that you think that he might be the sort of guy that would go for a third term, that's internally.
00:08:33What do you think he would do? And what do you think he would do to someone that's the enemy?
00:08:36And I don't know whether anybody on the planet has the IQ to play like seven-dimensional chess of, I'm going to construct this incredibly unpredictable, very gregarious, outgoing guy who seems to say things that almost might be like a WWE character if they were the president.
00:09:01And then what that means by playing that game is that people will believe that I'm going to be like that, so that then I don't actually need to use the threat because they believe the threat more, not because they think that I'm aggressive, but because they think that I'm kind of crazy.
00:09:17That's what I don't realize. Is he crazy or is he just crazy enough to make you believe that he'll really do it?
00:09:24Crazy or genius is the question.
00:09:26It's hard to know.
00:09:28Effective is what matters most, right?
00:09:30Effective. He's avoided more conflicts than anybody I ever served under. He just has. If people knew the amount of conflicts he's avoided, they'd give him more praise than they do.
00:09:41But he's not able to talk about them?
00:09:43He just doesn't. I don't know why.
00:09:45You think that it would be something that he could flex, that he would be able to talk about, this was how close we got to this thing, we have come to a deal, da-da-da-da-da.
00:09:51I think he's done that so many times, it's just lost in the ether. Like, he didn't even think about it.
00:09:56It's just a Thursday.
00:09:56Yeah, he's like, eh. Like, the whole Maduro raid thing? He's like, yeah, send him. Do I think he lost sleep over that? No.
00:10:05I mean, like, he has full trust and confidence in the force. Yeah, you know what? I'm sick of it. Send him.
00:10:11Knocks him out. Great job. Get some all-up cheeseburgers and, yep, see you guys on Tuesday.
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