OpenAI & Anthropic are targeting something WAY bigger
MMaximilian Schwarzmüller
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00:00:00for these ai companies anthropic open ai and so on coding is solved now again for them i don't
00:00:07share that notion for me ai does way too many mistakes and introduces way too much bloat and
00:00:15bugs and errors into the code base for me to blindly trust it but yeah who knows how things
00:00:20will change what's interesting of course is that for these ai companies code is kind of only the
00:00:27first step and that's really important to understand obviously we developers we are the
00:00:34pioneers we're amongst the first that really mass adopt these llms and these agentic coding tools
00:00:42obviously because well they're agentic coding tools right there were meant for coding so obviously
00:00:47they're for us and we're using those we're using those and you probably are using codex cloud code
00:00:52github copilot cursor any of these to help you work on your code now what's interesting and what's
00:00:59important to understand is that for these companies code is just the first step they want you to use
00:01:07codex or cloud code for almost everything this is an official post it is about more than coding and indeed
00:01:16in codex you can also generate images you can spin up a chat session ask it to generate an image and it
00:01:23will it gives you a special skill for that it should also activate that on its own of course and it will
00:01:29use the gpt image 2 model provided by openai to generate an image and you can then also follow up on
00:01:35that include a logo and stuff you can do that in the codex app you can also analyze sales in there or
00:01:43anything you can do data analytics there so stuff that has nothing to do with code why because of
00:01:48course many things that you do on a computer can be solved with code and with the command line without
00:01:55you even knowing that code is involved of course you as a developer do but keep in mind we're a relatively
00:02:01small group for openai and anthropic the more interesting part of the pie is all the rest all
00:02:07the other white collar work all the people that spend their days working in excel sheets or word
00:02:13documents or crunching numbers working with pdf documents that is the more interesting part we are
00:02:19just small a small number of early adopters we the developers but it's the the other part that matters
00:02:26even more so naturally these companies want to turn their apps into super apps that can do it all and
00:02:32therefore of course fittingly openai announced computer use which is not available in the eu yet
00:02:38so i couldn't try it yet but which is all about codex being able to control any application on your
00:02:45machine so that it can even work with applications that are hard to control with just code and the command
00:02:52the command line now one important note and shameless plug here i created courses on cloud code
00:02:58and codex and my colleague manual created a course on cloud co-work to which i'll get back in a second
00:03:04and whilst of course the cloud code and codex courses are all about using these tools for
00:03:10coding we have the co-work course for teaching you the cloud co-work tool that is about doing non-coding
00:03:17tasks on your computer with ai and in the codex course i have all the content about coding but
00:03:23also some content on performing non-coding tasks with codex so if you want to dive in deep and learn
00:03:30all the nitty-gritty details and tricks and tips about cloud code codex and co-work these courses may be
00:03:36interesting to you and speaking of co-work anthropic is following a different strategy they also have cloud code
00:03:44and obviously they have the cloud code cli which is probably the most common way for developers to work
00:03:51with cloud code but they also have their desktop app and unlike open ai they don't have the one big
00:03:56super app which clearly is the goal of open ai to turn codex into that universal super app that can
00:04:03do it all and that works for both coders and non-coders anthropic at least right now has that split
00:04:09you have the code part in the desktop app here where you can interact with cloud code as you can from
00:04:16the command line essentially use your skills ask it to do stuff and so on but then you also got a chat
00:04:22area where you can guess what chat with cloud just as you can do in the web interface and you got the
00:04:28co-work area and the co-work area is essentially like cloud code but optimized for non-coding tasks in codex you
00:04:37also have a setting where you can switch to a different work mode to kind of tweak some settings
00:04:43for non-techy people so clearly that is their goal capture the overall market of white collar work
00:04:53anthropic with the model of having different parts in that app open ai with the model of having the one super
00:05:01app and of course we will very likely also see other applications come up third-party open source
00:05:07applications like the amazing py agent here for example which is primarily about coding right now
00:05:13but which again you can use for anything because ultimately as i mentioned with code you can do a lot
00:05:19on your machine so you can use agent like this too to ask it to do something in an excel sheet or a pdf
00:05:24document and it will figure out a way of doing so with code and command line tools and that's therefore
00:05:31their vision now the interesting part of course is that for me coding isn't solved yet not even close
00:05:39and we'll see how that changes and how we as developers evolve and clearly our role is evolving and
00:05:45clearly we must use these tools and learn how to use them efficiently but i guess we're still all figuring out
00:05:51how to do that and i would assume the same happens for other areas of work these ai tools can obviously
00:06:00assist with lots of work the danger of course always is that you as a human get pretty lazy and you might
00:06:08not care anymore about the excel sheet that was produced for example you might not double check it and
00:06:14we'll see a similar learning process there as we see it for us developers and we'll also see if that one
00:06:22super app strategy works out for open ai or if it turns out to be a bit too confusing for normies to
00:06:30have all the coding stuff in there too which is not super invisible even if you do switch to that
00:06:37non-coding specific view but yeah their vision is clearly that code is just the beginning and we'll see
00:06:46whether that turns out to be true or not
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