00:00:00If you look at bodybuilding historically, the guys were strong, they were absolutely extremely
00:00:05strong. So I think something happened in the culture where bodybuilders stopped valuing
00:00:11strength. Some bodybuilders. But there's one type of training that delivers great benefits to your
00:00:16cardio-respiratory system and even builds muscle in the same time. This is where you get both
00:00:20hypertrophy and strength. That's that beautiful combination. It works very, very well.
00:00:28One of the great things that's happened in the last five to 10 years is that adult men and women
00:00:32are thinking about muscle, the importance of having muscle and being strong in particular. Very
00:00:36different than when I was growing up where the only people, at least in American gyms, that lifted were
00:00:41preseason football players, bodybuilders, and maybe a few other niche groups. Now things have really
00:00:46changed. And I'll just go out on a limb and say what I believe and have thought for a long time,
00:00:50which is that what screwed up everything in terms of people's conceptualization about how to use
00:00:55resistance is bodybuilding. Somehow it's so unathletic in its approach. And I have friends
00:01:01who've done competitive bodybuilding and that sort of thing, not too many, but I feel like the way
00:01:05it's spilled over into "gym culture" has done equal harm and good. And what I like so much about your
00:01:12work is that it's really about strength as a skill, strength as an asset for longevity. And when I
00:01:19think about somebody who wants to be strong, somebody who wants to be healthy, I also have to ask,
00:01:25should people be training for strength and endurance, like the two opposite ends of the
00:01:28spectrum, as opposed to what most people do, which is, "Hey, I'm going to go to the gym. Maybe I'll
00:01:31push a sled and then I'll, I don't know, I'll do some kettlebell swings. And then I'll also do some
00:01:35pull-ups and then I'm going to, you know, I'm going to like take a picture of my tricep in the mirror."
00:01:38I mean, just while it's better than doing nothing, it's clearly not making America that much healthier.
00:01:45So maybe we could just kind of throw up on the whiteboard here, this notion of training to get
00:01:50strong, strength as a skill, strength as something that's valuable for longevity, and then endurance.
00:01:55The ability to carry two suitcases to the airplane without coughing up along at the end. Also the
00:02:00ability to take a hike with your partner or your kids, maybe actually have a backpack on your back
00:02:05and not have to stop every 50 paces. You see people who are strong and they have endurance.
00:02:10You go to Denmark or Sweden or Norway and you just look at it, these people are so healthy.
00:02:16Their posture is great, they're strong, and they're not spending a lot of time in gyms.
00:02:19Sometimes they are. So what's going on in terms of strength and endurance and maybe how bodybuilding
00:02:25and this notion of building muscle has perhaps caused some issues that we need to help people
00:02:30reconceptualize. Several great questions. Let's talk about bodybuilding and then before getting
00:02:35to endurance, what you said, it's absolutely true, but I'd say that there are different types of
00:02:40bodybuilding. If you look at bodybuilding historically, guys were strong. I've had the
00:02:45honor of knowing some golden age era bodybuilders like Franco Colombo and Dave Draper and Clarence
00:02:51Bass and these guys were formidable. They were not just pretty boys, they were absolutely extremely
00:02:58strong. So I think something happened in the culture where bodybuilders stopped valuing strength. Some
00:03:05bodybuilders, there's still a number of guys out there who are following traditional methods and
00:03:09they're strong. Also interestingly enough, the bro split, you know, hit once a muscle once a week,
00:03:15it's not necessarily bad if you again follow more of into this classic American powerlifting model.
00:03:21So instead of training three times a week, you train five. You know, in addition to your squad day,
00:03:25deadlift day, bench day, you can have shoulders day and arms day and whatever, but you go heavy.
00:03:30You know, look at Reg Park, his sets of five. For strength, you should stick in the one to six
00:03:37repetition range. You shouldn't do a lot of singles and doubles. Threes and fours should predominate,
00:03:41but fours and especially fives and sixes, this is where you get both hypertrophy and strength.
00:03:47That's that beautiful combination. And fives have a great tradition, American powerlifting as well.
00:03:52If you train with fives, you're going to get muscle and you're going to get strength and you're not
00:03:55going to complicate things. There are some bodybuilders out there who train in this
00:03:59particular manner and they're fantastically strong. Just not many of them, unfortunately.
00:04:04But I also would like to add that there's another influence that mess things up.
00:04:07I would take the bros of the nineties with a big bench press and the chicken legs to these
00:04:11guys who stand on balls and juggle oranges and whatever the hell they're doing. The idea is,
00:04:17so there's the concept of neuroplasticity, which obviously you know so much more than I about,
00:04:21that's always thrown around. Oh, you need variety. So they throw every circus trick at these poor
00:04:27clients. And by the way, I use the word clients purposefully. Like at Strong First at our School
00:04:31of Strength, we have students because there's lots of clients. But in that world, they're definitely
00:04:36clients. Well, today you're going to stand on one foot and then you're going to pull on this cable.
00:04:41And then tomorrow you're going to kneel and you're going to do this kind of thing. There are way too
00:04:44many choices. And when there are no constraints, when everything's available, you go to a store,
00:04:48everything's available, you don't know what to pick and you can stick with that. So that's a very big
00:04:53problem. Endurance is a very broad term. And let's talk a little bit about training for athletes for
00:04:59endurance and let's talk maybe a little bit for the general population we're trying to do for health
00:05:03and again for just going for a hike. The endurance of being able to do triathlon or swim a very long
00:05:08distance, the adaptations are primarily taking place in the slow fibers and you have some very specific
00:05:14adaptations to the capillaries and the mitochondria, so many things, but in a very specific way.
00:05:20And that's not going to help you, let's say, if you're a fighter. It's happened over and over
00:05:24where a guy who's been a marathoner, he takes up MMA and he starts getting gassed really rapidly.
00:05:30His slow fibers can keep going forever, but not at the intensity that's required for this particular
00:05:35sport. So pretty much steady state, steady state exercise, like riding a cycle or jogging or hiking,
00:05:41when you're still able to talk, it's the best, most efficient and healthiest way to
00:05:45to promote that quality when you're increasing your heart stroke volume. If you decide to get
00:05:50a little more intense, at some point interval training is appropriate. There's one type of
00:05:55training that delivers great benefits to your cardio-respiratory system and even builds muscle
00:06:00at the same time. In track it is called glycolytic power repeats, but pretty much like a 30 seconds of
00:06:07heart exercise, followed by approximately five minutes of rest and you repeat it several times.
00:06:11Here's what's unique about this this type of method. It gets your heart rate up to about that
00:06:1685, 90 percent or something. Then you're going to walk it off after that. So you are going to get
00:06:22adaptations for your heart. For healthy people it's a healthy way and it's a very efficient way.
00:06:27Also what's interesting, you're also likely to get build some muscle as well. Typically there is
00:06:31the conflict which we're getting to this point about like strength versus endurance. Things seem to be
00:06:36like okay this is pulling one way, this is pulling the other way. But somehow this particular load,
00:06:42while promoting peripheral and central endurance, also does promote muscle growth.
00:06:47Interesting. And what sort of exercise, this is not sprints, this would be kettlebell swings for
00:06:51instance. In the studies that were done they used wing gates, they use cycle, they cycled.
00:06:56Sprinting, if you are going uphill you can certainly do that.
00:07:01Because this 30 seconds is hard, you're pushing.
00:07:04You're pushing. Going in a track it's too easy to get something messed up. So going uphill you
00:07:09can do that. We do that with kettlebells. We did this work in my first kettlebell school over 20
00:07:14years ago where we would do a set of you take a heavy kettlebell, moderately heavy kettlebell,
00:07:19like you know for you know for you or me to be like a 70 pounder. And we would snatch it really
00:07:24hard for a set of 20-25 reps. And then we just jog until the heart rate comes down and then we take
00:07:29this leisurely powerlifting rest. And we're going to do it again. And it's a fantastic way to promote
00:07:36various aspects of fitness. So you're going to get in cardio-respiratory endurance. You're going
00:07:40to get peripheral adaptations, endurance in the muscle. And you're also building muscle at the same
00:07:44time. But the fact is doing a hard 30-40 second set followed by a very generous rest. We're talking
00:07:51about 5-10 minutes. And repeating it five times possibly more. It works very very well.
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